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It’s the little stories like this one that help restore our faith in humanity.

For years, a Post Office in the small town of Pittsburg, Kansas has kept a “God Bless America” banner hanging from the side of their building.

Of course, in the age of political correctness, angry atheists aligned with a Wisconsin-based group, Freedom From Religious Foundation, claimed that the banner violated the separation of church and state.

A few days after the banner was forced down, a local business Jakes Fireworks responded by creating 1,200 “God Bless America” yard signs and banners.

They started passing them out at 11 a.m. and finished by 11:45 a.m.

Now residents of the town are saying you can’t drive a block without seeing a “God Bless America” banner or American flag.

Here are some of the best reactions:

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Couldn’t be prouder to be an American, are you?

  • malclave

    If atheists don’t believe in God, why are they so afraid of Him?

    • journogal

      Or afraid of a sign/banner that only has words on it. It isn’t actively trying to convert anyone.

      • R_Stephan

        It’s telling me what to do. I can feel it. Feelings matter dangit.

      • SamuelInez

        It’s endorsing religion on government property. It’s a violation of our constitution. No government establishment shall endorse any religion.

        • Matt Kolb

          The entire 1st Amendment reads as follows: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

          Read it and understand the freedoms it is supposed to actually guarantee. It has nothing to do with endorsing a religion as you claim.

          • Chad Smith

            Centuries worth of supreme court justices disagree with you.

    • grais

      The smart ones, the rational ones, the un-enraged ones aren’t.

      • nukethedems

        Oddly, it takes more faith to be a non-believer. That’s the left for you. Their whole lives are one big contradiction in terms.
        I’d be happy if they’d just stop taking Christian tax dollars.

        • Amy

          It takes zero faith to not believe in a deity

        • Amor DeCosmos

          Does it take a lot of faith for you to not believe in invisible pink unicorns or do you just think to yourself “that just sounds impossibly ridiculous”? For me, it doesn’t take a lot of faith to not believe in invisible pink unicorns and it doesn’t take a lot of faith for me to not believe in supernatural gods.

        • Chad Smith

          More faith to be a non-believer? Really? Think about that. Rational thought seems to be a rare commodity.

    • Amy

      Yahweh is a fairly evil person so I understand why people don’t like ‘him.’

      • Patrick Chester

        So you’re really a naytheist, since you’ve met a deity named Yahweh and did not like him very much.

        How interesting.

        • Amy

          I’m an atheist. My ‘feelings’ towards a character have little to do with whether it exists.

          • Patrick Chester

            Oh. I’m an agnostic. I’ll take some views of various deities as negative, but reserve my judgement until I actually meet that deity in question.

            I also lack the desire to feel edgy by insulting a deity simply to annoy people I disagree with, but that’s less through agnosticism and more personal choice on my part.

          • Amy

            What a coincidence I’m agnostic too. So me disliking a character that murders, rapes and pillages people is considered ‘edgy?’ Sounds like you have a ways to go in developing thicker skin. We’re perfectly capable of judging the deities that are presented in front of us while staying open to new ideas.

    • The_Wretched

      I’m not afraid of anyone’s god(s). Their followers putting up gang signs everywhere though are a bit alarming. Why not just keep government free from religion and have it run on the duly passed laws of the country?

      • malclave

        Tell that to the atheists.

        • The_Wretched

          I’m not seeing atheists putting up signs on governmental buildings or lawns.

          • Patrick Chester

            No, they just make sure no one else can which makes atheism the default “faith” in government “buildings and lawns”.

            Because some atheists are fragile souls (oops, trigger word) who can’t stand any sort of sign that expresses another faith.

          • The_Wretched

            Soooo when you go outside and look at a tree you see the ‘atheist’ default and want to put up something to remind you of christianity? And I’m the fragile soul?

          • truethevote

            So atheists worship trees???

          • The_Wretched

            only in the same way christians worship the post office (if i’m understanding your admittedly bizarre point)

          • MystiqueLady

            That would be Druids.

          • Patrick Chester

            Ah, the progressive “Sooo…” line. When running out of arguments you input the word “Soooo…” and then make something up.

            You really are a small child at heart.

            No, when I see people try to remove religious icons claiming it’s “establishing a religion” I see them as trying to make atheism the default faith. Which is pretty much what I said earlier. I’m sorry if that escaped you.

            Something else has escaped you as well, but then you hipster atheists tend to do that whenever someone objects to your crap: You presume I’m a Christian. Actually, I think you need me to be a Christian so you can try to disqualify my views in that matter. Too bad: I’m not.

          • The_Wretched

            “Ah, the progressive “Sooo”
            nice to see you are just doing a generic blanket dismissal…

          • The_Wretched

            Secularism is the default; not atheism.

            If a banner went up on gov property saying, “God followers are fools and shoudn’t get full services from the government” that’d be a pro-atheism message. A blank wall or maybe some tasteful art are not pro-atheism.

          • The_Wretched

            Oh, what are you then?

        • Amor DeCosmos

          That is exactly what we atheists want – government free from religion and have it run on the duly passed laws of the country. Why do the theists keep wanting the government to endorse religion when it is clearly un-American!

    • SamuelInez

      I don’t believe in Godzilla either, should I be afraid of him?

    • Kara Connor

      Same for Voldemort and Zeus. People are scared of them. /s

      Nothing to do with religions actively seeking to be able to legally discriminate, to deny others the same legal rights they have, and constantly pushing legislation to force others to follow their religion. Nope. It’s because they are scared of your egotistical, genocidal, maniacal and, fortunately, mythical deity.

      • malclave

        A few examples of this legislation constantly being pushed to make you Christian? Or of what legal rights I have that people want to deny you?

        • Kara Connor

          It’s not about being forced to be a Christian, it’s about not having my marriage recognized across the nation until last June, and the numerous RFRAs being pushed to allow public accommodations to refuse to serve me, or hotels to turn away me, my wife and children. Or my friends having county clerks refuse to grant them marriage certificates. Being able to be fired in 27 states if ky employer finds out I’m a lesbian. That kind of thing.

    • Gehennah

      It isn’t being afraid of or your god. I’m not afraid of a deity I don’t believe exists.

      And if you want to believe in him, by all means. However, when it comes to pushing legislation promoting your religion, having the government promoting your religion, having your religion’s ideals being put into law, denying people equal rights, then I have a problem.

      The people putting the signs in their yard is well within their rights and I fully support them doing so, but the government building shouldn’t have had it. Now if they had allowed it then they would have ended up having everyone being able to put up stuff, including the Satanists and then it would have quickly become a huge eyesore as every religious group tried to get their ideals displayed too.

    • Chad Smith

      It has nothing to do with being afraid of God. It’s about protecting the Constitution.

    • Amor DeCosmos

      I am not afraid of God – I am afraid of the people who believe in God. Many people in this forum are advocating turning the US from a secular democratic nation into a theocratic nation. That terrifies me.

  • Fire and Adjust!

    This should happen EVERYWHERE freedom from religion foundation tries to impose its will………… Maybe they’d cut their crap out if they’d see that their idiocy has an exponentially opposite effect…………at the very least their temper tantrums would be glorious to watch……..

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    • CallsignMissing

      Wow, a bunch of private citizens put up signs on private property – incidentally providing free advertising for a fireworks shop, by the way. I’m sure Jake is happy about that, just as I’m sure that the advertising being provided by you guys was just a by-product and not his primary motive

      What makes you think the FFRF cares about that at all? It’s completely irrelevant.

  • Acuda4me ✓Please!

    If it were me, I point at the building and say “See that blank spot there, that’s the atheist’s equal time message.”

  • R_Stephan

    Atheism is the easiest religion to troll.

    • Banana Republic

      They make themselves easy targets.

    • The_Wretched

      If there is something I learned being raised catholic is that jesus really like trolling. that’s how he rolled, like a troll.

      • R_Stephan

        Lol! Case in point.

  • JenniferP

    Perfect! God BLESS America!!

  • © Sponge

    There is no law requiring this “separation of church and state” they keep pounding on about.

    The government shall make no law regarding the establishment of religion or the free practice thereof.

    Flying a banner with the name God on it on a public building is not a LAW requiring you to practice a religion.

    • bicentennialguy

      “Separation of Church and State” – another Supreme Court winner. /s

      • Quality

        You mean another winner by Jefferson and Madison and the founding fathers. Who understood that having religion entangled with government was poisonous to them both.

      • JosephBloughs ✓Viagrafied

        “Legislation from the Bench”, proudly in the Constitution since… wait, still checking…. wait… wait…

        • Nullifidian

          I’ll help: since Articles III and VI of the Constitution were written. Judicial review is implicit in these articles, and has explicitly been a part of U. S. jurisprudence since Marbury v. Madison. And when you have the Supreme Court weighing on the constitutionality of certain laws, every aggrieved losing party is naturally going to accuse them of “legislating from the bench” regardless of whether the charge has any merit.

          • JosephBloughs ✓Viagrafied

            I’m pretty sure the words “gay” and “marriage” are not in the constitution, but that doesn’t stop them from ruling on the “constitutionality” of both.

          • The_Wretched

            You won’t see ‘1 M + 1 F’ either.

          • Nullifidian

            Which is precisely what judicial review is. If everything were explicitly laid out in the Constitution for all time and for everyone to see, then there would be no need for interpretation of the text. Obergefell is in the same tradition as the Loving decision, and was reached for the same reason. If “marriage” isn’t in the Constitution with reference to gay marriage, then it’s no more in the Constitution with reference to interracial marriage. Would you like to condemn the Loving decision, then, and bring back anti-miscegenation laws?

          • JosephBloughs ✓Viagrafied

            It’s like you said earlier, it’s implicit. Jjudicial review isn’t actually in the constitution either, usurped by the judiciary long ago. Per the 10th Amendment that power should be vested solely to the states, but many like to pick and choose their favorite amendments and ignore (or outright violate) the rest.

          • Nullifidian

            It’s like you said earlier, it’s implicit.

            Yes, and? There’s nothing wrong with implied powers. This argument was already settled in 1791.

            Jjudicial review isn’t in the constitution either, usurped by the judiciary long ago.

            But it is if you actually bother to think about what’s in the Constitution, rather than looking for pull-quotes from it. The latter position would prevent any effective government and can be rejected on that basis alone.

            Per the 10th Amendment that power should be vested solely to the states….

            Which isn’t actually what the tenth amendment says. That’s the problem with so-called ‘originalists’: they claim to be defending the actual written intent of the Constitution, but they always end up twisting its provisions into a pretzel in ways that are even more egregious than those of any advocate of judicial review.

          • JosephBloughs ✓Viagrafied

            Sorry, I’m not biting. Big proponent here of states’ rights, and there are very good reasons for “originalists” choosing to be so literal. I wasn’t on board with the whole nullification business until the federal government’s rampant abuse and overreach of power became abundantly clear in the last 7+ years. Its been happening longer than that to be fair, but the slow drip was replaced by a torrent. It’s the last big thing fair men can do short of civil conflict that leads to bloodshed which nobody wants.

            “In questions of powers, then, let no more be heard of confidence in man, but bind him down from mischief by the chains of the Constitution.” — Thomas Jefferson. Cruz has been driving home this point, it’s both resonating and poignant. Men run governments. Governments have a monopoly on the use of force and coercion (either by adjudication or physically). The branches of government have run amok on the citizens and failed to keep each others’ powers in check, instead colluding with one another to reinforce their mutual power. I didn’t ask or look for this situation to occur, they made it come to pass. We either respond and stand up for our rights and the rights of others and our children, or choose by inaction to live not as free men.

    • Quality

      The 14th Amendment incorporated the 1st Amendment to all levels of government.

      It’s great if people want to put up religious banners on their personal property. But it shouldn’t be on government property.

      • © Sponge

        Again, hanging a sign is not a law. This country was founded by men with a HEAVY faith in God. Sorry, but God is in a lot of what they did and wrote. But they don’t force ANYONE to practice any of it.

        • Quality

          Again, it’s been incorporated by the 14th Amendment. It’s not limited to laws, but all government actions. Do you believe the post office could refuse to deliver mail to Catholics? Or refuse to mail out Republican political mailers? Because if it only applies to laws, both of those actions would be totally fine.

          • © Sponge

            What part of the 14th Amendment do you believe addresses this? What part of hanging a sign bearing God’s name is DENYING anyone anything?

          • Quality

            Incorporation comes through the Due Process Clause.

            To be sure, hanging a religion banner is pretty low on the scale of church-state separation violations. But it remains inappropriate. If you have trouble seeing why it’s a problem, simply imaging it being a religion other than your own. Would you like an “Allahu Akbar” sign at your local post office?

          • © Sponge

            Of course not, but me being offended by something is not me being forced by law to participate in something. I was offended that the White House was lit rainbow after the Supreme Court decision for gay marriage, but I don’t have to participate in it or accept it.

          • Quality

            CSS isn’t limited to you being forced to participate in something.

          • thedeplorableblonde

            If I was living in Oman, I’d expect it and get on with my day.

          • Wardog00

            Stop using all US currency: you are in danger of being evangelized!!!!!!

          • http://truthbeforedishonor.wordpress.com John Hitchcock

            There is no “separation of Church and State” in the First Amendment to be incorporated anywhere.

          • Quality

            You’re right. Madison, who wrote it, and Jefferson, who wrote the inspiration for it, both had no idea what they were talking about. But Christian dominionists who want to enforce Christian beliefs on everyone (while ironically complaining about Sharia law) are right.

          • http://truthbeforedishonor.wordpress.com John Hitchcock

            I love how all you anti-theists abuse a small portion of a quote from Jefferson to push your lie-filled agenda, which includes lying about some supposed “dominionist conspiracy”. You’re insane.

          • Quality

            The only abuse occurring is by Christians who want to use government resources and power to promote their religious beliefs. I mean, I understand that Christianity is struggling in this country, but that’s not the way to help it.

            I didn’t invoke any conspiracy. Christians who want Creationism taught in schools, or Christian beliefs on homosexuality or birth control embedded into law, or for “God’s law” to be above the Constitution aren’t hiding in the shadows. They’re quite direct about it.

          • Girl who talks with her eyes

            You are the ones dragging birth control into any part of the law.
            Birth control is legal and always will be.
            Now use it and quit making babies you don’t want.
            And if you screw that up, grant your accidental child the same humanity you would to a stray dog.

          • Quality

            I think birth control should be easily accessible and a part of any standard health care coverage plan. Some people feel a need to specifically exclude it. Some people, like Presidential candidate Rick Santorum, think that Griswold vs Connecticut was a bad decision and states should be able to make contraception use illegal.

            Thanks for the stereotyping. Got any more? Maybe something about welfare or being a hippie?

          • journogal

            How is birth control not easily accessible? I’ve never had an issue going to the ob/gyn, getting a prescription, getting it filled, getting prenatal care and having my children – under both Democrat and Republican administrations. And I live in a red state to boot. No one ever denied me of anything, nor stopped me from going to the doctor.

            Now, on the other hand, I didn’t expect and still don’t expect taxpayers to pay for anything. It’s my responsibility to pay for myself, not anyone else’s.

          • Quality

            It is pretty easily accessible. I think it best if it’s even more easily accessible, particularly amongst the poor, who stand to face the worst consequences in the event of an unplanned pregnancy.

          • journogal

            It is accessible to the poor at the clinics. They have to go. They have to be proactive. They aren’t victims that can’t take care of themselves.

          • Quality

            The clinics that you want to lose their funding?

          • http://truthbeforedishonor.wordpress.com John Hitchcock

            There are more women’s health clinics by orders of magnitude than the abortion mills you’re so proud of.

          • spaceycakes

            oo lies, miss liza–she answered your claim. You changed the subject

          • Quality

            That’s directly applicable to the subject.

          • journogal

            You – so you know me personally? Can you please provide my exact words saying this? I only speak for myself, so I’ll await your credible proof where I’ve said this. Surely, you wouldn’t have put words in my mouth.

          • Quality

            I apologize if my assumption was unwarrented. Do you support the defunding of PP or no?

          • journogal

            You also assumed I was referencing PP; actually I was talking about health clinics.

          • Quality

            PP is included in health clinics. Do you support the defunding of PP or no?

          • http://truthbeforedishonor.wordpress.com John Hitchcock

            That birth control thing. Why do you want 80 year old nuns to pay for your birth control? Can’t handle being responsible for your own actions?

          • Quality

            I don’t want 80 year old nuns to pay for my birth control. They were given a method to opt out of coverage.

          • globalcrap

            Your commie self loves that American money, with “God” on it

          • Girl who talks with her eyes

            Which Christian laws require women to cover themselves so men without self-control don’t get all worked up?

          • http://truthbeforedishonor.wordpress.com John Hitchcock

            I don’t know. It wouldn’t hurt my feelings any if my special lady thought it was Halloween every night of the year…

          • Finrod Felagund

            Show me where Madison called it “separation of church and state”. Jefferson was Ambassador to France when the Bill of Rights was being passed by the First Congress and didn’t write about “separation of church and state” until years later.

            Sorry, but the facts just knocked your argument down and kicked it in the crotch.

          • Quality

            Madison didn’t call it the separation of church and state. But he clearly explained it’s purpose: “Congress should not establish a religion and enforce the legal observation

            of it by law, nor compel men to worship God in any manner contary to their

            conscience, or that one sect might obtain a pre-eminence, or two combined

            together, and establish a religion to which they would compel others to

            conform.”

            Jefferson wrote the Virginia Statue for Establishing Religious Freedom, which was influential in the formation of the 1A.

            Sorry, but your silly semantic argument (“he didn’t use that exact phrase!!!”) and ignorance of Jefferson’s work caused you to kick yourself in the crotch.

          • Finrod Felagund

            He used “establish a religion”, just like the First Amendment says, which means no Church of the United States.

            Get that through your thick skull, moron.

          • Quality

            It was a 52-word quote. Why did you stop at the 6th word?

            Additionally, can you tell me why you’d like to live in a nation where the government pushes a particular religion or beliefs?

          • Finrod Felagund

            Beat up that strawman! But I guess you can’t win any arguments without putting words in other people’s mouths. You’re doing it with Madison, after all.

          • Quality

            What’s the strawman? Are you saying you DO support church-state separation?

            I didn’t put any words in Madison’s mouth. I’m just quoting him. Here’s the quote again. Maybe this time you can get all the way through it.
            “Congress should not establish a religion and enforce the legal observation

            of it by law, nor compel men to worship God in any manner contary to their

            conscience, or that one sect might obtain a pre-eminence, or two combined

            together, and establish a religion to which they would compel others to

            conform.”

          • Finrod Felagund

            You still haven’t figured out what it means to “establish a religion”, and until you do, idiocy will continue in you.

          • Quality

            “Establish a religion” doesn’t only mean to create an official federal state religion. And *even if it did*, you’re still ignoring the rest of the quote which clearly describes other actions (compelling people to worship in any way, giving any sect a pre-eminence) also prohibited by the 1A.

          • Finrod Felagund

            You keep saying the First Amendment says things it DOES NOT SAY. Maybe you’re confused with the USSR Constitution, which DOES say that the Church and the State are separate.

            You need remedial reading lessons.

          • Quality

            You keep saying it says things it doesn’t. It makes a broad statement and you’re making it extremely narrow. I’ve provided support for my interpretation straight from the writer himself.

          • Quality

            You didn’t say what the strawman was. What was it?

          • Finrod Felagund

            You were putting words in my mouth, illiterate cretin.

          • Quality

            What words did I put in your mouth?

          • CrazyDaze✓veridicous

            How is it incorporated into the 14th Amendment? I can’t see where it states anything about government actions?

          • Quality

            Incorporated by the 14th Amendment, not into the 14th Amendment. The Bill of Rights, where applicable, apply to the states. They can’t violate 2nd Amendment rights, or stop freedom of speech, or prevent freedom of religion. Are you just getting hung up on the “Congress” portion of the 1A?

          • Wardog00

            I bet you use US currency, which has the US motto “In God We Trust”. SCOTUS has already ruled that this is not an establishment of religion; a banner essentially saying the same thing as our National Motto is not an establishment of religion

          • Quality

            The Supreme Court doesn’t often like to rock the boat, and has allowed “ceremonial deism”, which are things they say have been around so long that they’ve lost all religious meaning, like In God We Trust as the (second) motto.

          • Wardog00

            And the banner on the post office would be in the same category and should not have come down.

          • Quality

            Seems like a bit of a loophole there. If you get away with a violation for long enough, it becomes tradition and it’s no longer a violation?

          • Wardog00

            Good enough for the Supreme Court, good enough for me.

          • Quality

            I guess that means you agree with all their other decisions on Separation of Church and State?

          • Wardog00

            Generally I do agree with their decision. I disagreed on several, like Dredd Scott and RoevWade; and on the Kelo decision.
            Most of the time they get things right.

        • The_Wretched

          Only the same men left that god out of the Constitution and instead refer to nature. the other two ‘god/religion’ mentions were negative, as in keep god(s) out of government.

      • grais

        Technically, I believe you’re right. I just can’t understand what they really think they’re accomplishing. Especially now, after this reaction. I mean, what’s the friggin’ point?

        • Quality

          The point is government neutrality towards religion.

          • grais

            Not really much of a point, then.

            I’ve also noticed that someone here is as afraid of your posts as that group that’s so afraid of that God Bless America banner. I’ve tried to converse with you elsewhere, but, alas, you’ve been shut up by someone.

            I’ll leave now, disgusted. Have a nice day.

          • Quality

            I have noticed some of my posts being deleted, but didn’t see any in this thread. Lovely.

      • bicentennialguy

        This should help you out.

        http://tinyurl.com/2d2hlmc

        • Quality

          Sorry, dominionist propaganda isn’t very convincing. This writer looks like he’s a fan of David Barton’s Jefferson Lies.

      • tops116 ✓Quipper

        If atheists have a problem with God being on government property, then I encourage all atheists to give me their money for safekeeping.

        • Quality

          lol

          • Fingolfin

            Why not? Your money has God on it, aren’t you butthurt?

          • Quality

            Not at all.

          • globalcrap

            If your receiving welfare and free stuff ,in your O Bogus self “God”doesn’t matter.

          • Quality

            I don’t receive any form of government assistance.

          • globalcrap

            More liberal socialist O BogusB S.

          • Quality

            lol, so you literally believe that anyone who supports Separation of Church and State is on government assistance?

          • globalcrap

            Just all you O Bogus Atheist that are on free stuff

          • Quality

            Among religious demographics, atheists/agnostics rank the highest in educational attainment and are second (to White Catholics) in income. Your claim falls flat.

          • globalcrap

            More liberal O Bogus free stuff B S

          • Quality
          • Wardog00

            Proof once again that education does not necessarily imply intelligence. But good to know that White Catholics are doing so well in income.

          • Quality

            How does that prove education doesn’t imply intelligence?

          • Wardog00

            And you keep on proving I am right.

          • Quality

            Good answer. Very substantive.

          • spaceycakes

            not all–the rest just hate the ‘haves’

          • Girl who talks with her eyes

            They love money more than they hate God.

        • The_Wretched

          That’s there thanks to ‘ceremonial deism’ the legal theory that god on the money is meaningless. If you value having your god on the money as a devotional act: 1. filthy lucre and 2. great, that’s evidence that ‘ceremonial deism’ is a farce.

          • Brian Westley

            Yep, it always reminds me of Peter denying Jesus three times — dishonestly deny that “god” is religious so they can pee him all over like an alley cat marking his territory.

      • Crakalakin

        The First Amendment simply states the government shall make no law respecting the establishment of religion. Was there a law passed I don’t know about where the US establishes a religion?

        P.S. I’m an atheist.

        • Quality

          Respecting means “related to”. The government will make no law related to the establishment of religion.

          Per Madison, what this means is:
          “Congress should not establish a religion and enforce the legal observation

          of it by law, nor compel men to worship God in any manner contary to their

          conscience, or that one sect might obtain a pre-eminence, or two combined

          together, and establish a religion to which they would compel others to

          conform”

          Essentially, the government should not promote any religion.

          • Crakalakin

            No, not essentially. It explicitly states, “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof”. It speaks SPECIFICALLY about passing laws and doesn’t infer anything at all about promoting anything.

          • Quality

            Yes, essentially. You’re ignoring that all federal actions operate through Congress by way of law or funding (which is also law). Incorporation then extended that to the states.

            Alternatively, you’d have to believe that anything in the Bill of Rights is not applicable to the states, and they could, for instance, confiscate any guns you own, or refuse to give you a trial.

          • Crakalakin

            No, the 14th Amendment exists so that all states will operate under the authority of the Constitution. That’s basic high-school government.
            You are still ignoring the text of the First Amendment and Madison’s explanation of it. Both are very clear. It simply prevents the federal government, and by passage of the 14th Amendment, the states; from establishing a religion or forcing people to adhere to religion, or not to adhere to religion, by law. Nothing about what may and or may not be displayed on federal or state property is even inferred. In addition to the very clear language, there is plenty of historical precedence to show this to be the case.

          • Quality

            Yes, that’s what incorporation is. Bringing the states under the authority of the Constitution, which includes the Bill of Rights. States can’t strip you of your guns, or deny you a trial, or ban your speech, or get involved in religion. Madison’s quote is in now way limited to forcing people to believe anything. It should not compel people “in any manner”, nor allow any religion to gain preeminence.

          • Crakalakin

            “Get involved with”? Not quite. That is WAY to vague and that’s no accident.

            The states may not make a law establishing an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.

          • Quality

            I’d agree with that, but all government actions flow through the work and funding of the legislature. Surely we wouldn’t believe that the executive and judicial branches can freely violate these Constitutional protections.

          • LibLieExposer

            Conveniently forgetting the following clause in 1A: “or prohibiting the free exercise thereof”

          • Quality

            It’s not forgotten at all. They go hand in hand.

          • Girl who talks with her eyes

            The standard according to the anti-Christians is Freedom of all religions other than Christianity.
            You’re not atheists or anti-theists. You are anti-Christians.
            Wear the label proudly. Many before you have.

          • Quality

            Get off your cross, fake martyr. I support religious freedom for all Americans, including Christians, and want the government to stay out of religious matters altogether.

          • Girl who talks with her eyes

            No you do not.
            You act like Muslims are poor, defenseless oppressed people when they are the bullies. And you bully Christian references out of everything you can.
            Just because Christianity is the predominant religion in the US, based on its founding, doesn’t make it right to try to stomp it out in the name of fairness.
            You must be one of those freaks that thinks racism is ok as long as it’s against white people because there’s no way a white person can be a victim of anything.

          • Quality

            Listen, if you want to just assign positions to me, you can talk to yourself.

            I support government neutrality. The problem is that you have a sense of entitlement and want special Christian privileges. Losing your special privileges doesn’t make you a target of bullying.

          • Wardog00

            Then stop using American money if it offends you so much.

          • Quality

            It doesn’t offend me. I really don’t care.

          • http://truthbeforedishonor.wordpress.com John Hitchcock

            I didn’t see any cross for her to be on, and she never claimed martyrdom. It’s more lies from you, because you serve the Father of Lies, and the Truth is in neither him nor you.

          • Quality

            She claimed that people were coming after Christians and trying to deny them (alone) freedom of religion. That’s fake martyrdom.

            Father of Lies? How quaint.

          • http://truthbeforedishonor.wordpress.com John Hitchcock

            Her claims are true, and martyrdom requires death. So, yes, you’re a liar, serving your father Satan, the Father of Lies.

          • Quality

            Martyrdom does not require death. It can involve suffering or persecution, the latter of which is precisely what was being complained about.
            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martyr
            http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/martyr
            http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/martyr

            How are her claims true? Who has attempted to strip Christians alone of religious freedom? No one.

          • http://truthbeforedishonor.wordpress.com John Hitchcock

            Oh, stop. Christians “must provide abortifacients.” Christians “must accommodate abominable false weddings”. Christians “must hire atheists to teach in Christian schools.” Christians “must teach the falsity of evolution.” Christians “must abstain from abstinence-only sex ed.”

          • Quality

            Not a single one of those line items (most of which are ridiculous) is specific to Christians.

            Sorry that following the law or learning about the world is such a problem for you.

          • The_Wretched

            Can’t I for once be accused of serving Vishnu or Loki?

          • spaceycakes

            ‘fake’ martyr? So you do think there are some ‘real’ ones out there?

          • Quality

            Of course. There are many Christians in the world who suffer persecution.

          • Girl who talks with her eyes

            Islam makes more martyrs per day than any other religion.

          • Quality

            True, and most of them are also Muslims.

            But what does this have to do with the fact that American Christians aren’t persecuted?

          • Girl who talks with her eyes

            Says the zealot persecuting Christians.

          • Quality

            How am I persecuting Christians?

          • spaceycakes

            LOL

          • Quality

            That’s funny?

          • The_Wretched

            Your bible has a verse saying that you must put religious iconography on governmental buildings? That’s a bit weird, my bible has jesus more about helping the poor and not engaging in ostentation like the pharisees.

          • LibLieExposer

            The Bible doesn’t say to do that, but if someone wanted to hang it and they’re told no, isn’t that prohibiting THEIR free expression? Funny I see all kinds of propaganda for the Religion of Global Warming preached about by the Gooberment, and the Atheist Criminal Liberals Union never seem to attack the Mooslums like they do Christians and Jews.

          • The_Wretched

            Your mental blinders aren’t reality. Again, google could cure you of your posturing.

          • LibLieExposer

            So in your view only atheists have rights, though they’re pretty much all “lefts”. Not satisfied with running government and public indoctrination centers (schools) you want full control of everyone’s thoughts too. “1984” was a novel, not a f’cking “How-To” manual for you left-wingnuts.

            Since MLK Jr was a reverend too, how about you tell the gooberment to separate church & state and revoke HIS FEDERAL HOLIDAY ????

          • The_Wretched

            How lurid. Do you always paint the people you’re talking to in fantasy colors?

            Teaching reading, writing and math is not ‘indoctrination’. Indoctrination is telling kids ‘facts’ and saying they must believe them. 1+1=2 and how to spell “spelling” is not indoctrination.

            I want a secular government like the founders designed. They saw the first US federal government (remember that?) and the christian sectarian in-fighting between the colonies and first States and said enough. Since no sectarian government was playing fair with all the citizens, we needed the governments to get out of the religion business for the protection of the religious and the government.

          • Girl who talks with her eyes

            So you’ll get right on protesting Obama’s religion-related parties in the white house?

          • Quality

            If Obama is spending taxpayer money to promote religion, that should absolutely be stopped.

          • Girl who talks with her eyes

            But posting a banner with God Bless America isn’t spending taxpayer money. Why does that have to be censored?

          • Quality

            Who paid for the banner? Who paid for the building its on?

          • globalcrap

            American’s tax payers who believe IN America, something you liberals know nothing about

          • Quality

            Really? So the taxpayers who didn’t want the sign were able to somehow divert their tax money?

          • globalcrap

            Free loaders don’t care about America, they just use the system, and do not pay taxes.

          • The_Kat ✓vilified

            Yours went to Planned Parenthood. Mine went to a “God Bless America” banner.

          • Quality

            Sorry, that’s not how tax dollars work.

          • globalcrap

            Your Washup -dc using our tax dollars , not yours ,for planned Murder-hood

          • The_Kat ✓vilified

            It is if you don’t want your money spent on a banner and I don’t want mine spent on Planned Parenthood. It sort of washed it out in the end.

            Would your response be different if the employees chipped in and had the banner made but hung it on the Post Office?

          • Girl who talks with her eyes

            Who paid for the White House, where Obama throws religious parties?

          • Quality

            What religious parties are your referring to?

            And, in case you ignored it, I already stated that I’d oppose any taxpayer money used by Obama to promote religion. Your attempt to inject Obama into the conversation is a failure.

          • Girl who talks with her eyes

            President Obama Hosts Iftar Dinner at the White House

            July 15, 2014
            https://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2014/07/15/president-obama-hosts-iftar-dinner-white-house

            President Obama Hosts a Ramadan Iftar Dinner at the White House

            June 23, 2015
            https://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2015/06/23/president-obama-hosts-ramadan-iftar-dinner-white-house

          • Quality

            Yeah, that strikes me as mildly inappropriate, like the Christmas tree lighting and Easter celebrations.

          • Girl who talks with her eyes

            “God Bless America” sign that’s been in place for 15 years: wildly inappropriate, tear it down!
            President throwing parties for Muslim celebrations: mildly inappropriate, but let’s not make a big deal out of it because he’s like, totally a Christian, not a Muslim even though we hate Christians & love Muslims.
            Maybe you can explain why it’s so important that Obama is a Christian to the people who love Muslims & hate Christians.

          • Quality

            I specifically said this sign was low on the scale of CSS violations. It is mildly inappropriate. Were it my town, I wouldn’t raise a complaint.

            Is there a reason why you ignored the Easter and Christmas events?

          • spaceycakes

            LOL–‘should’…riiiight

          • http://www.almarquardt.com/ almarquardt

            Hanging a banner does not compel anyone to worship. You have every right walk away and ignore it. Nor is “God bless America” a strictly religious claim since it doesn’t say “Jesus”, “Allah”, “Gaia”, or “Yahweh” to use a few examples. God in this context is completely general.

          • Quality

            “God” is a strictly religious term. It would obvious exclude any religions without gods, any religions that doesn’t use that term, and irreligion.

          • Wardog00

            According to the Oxford Dictionary, there is no religion without a God or gods; unless you want to start including something like consumerism as the new religion

            Definition of religion in English:

            noun [mass noun]
            1The belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, especially a personal God or gods: ideas about the relationship between science and religion

            More example sentences
            Synonyms
            1.1 [count noun] A particular system of faith and worship: the world’s great religions

            More example sentences
            1.2 [count noun] A pursuit or interest followed with great devotion: consumerism is the new religion

          • Quality

            The Oxford Dictionary doesn’t say that at all. Definitions 1.1 and 1.2 contain no language about gods at all and definition 1 clearly allows for religions without gods. For example, a religion which included a karmic force and reincarnation would not involve gods. Some forms of Buddhism contain no gods.

          • Wardog00
          • Quality

            Yeah, I JUST addressed that.

          • Wardog00

            Buddhism doesn’t fit neatly into either category of religion or philosophy. When people asked Buddha what he was teaching, he said he teaches “the way things are.” He said
            nobody should believe his teachings out of faith, but instead they should examine for themselves to see if they are true or not.

          • Quality

            It’s pretty dependent on the flavor of Buddhism. Some are full of supernatural beings and mysticism. Others are like Humanism: Siddhartha Edition.

          • http://www.almarquardt.com/ almarquardt

            But not one religion is my point.

          • Quality

            I don’t understand your point. It’s not a violation if it favors more than one religion?

          • http://www.almarquardt.com/ almarquardt

            No. It’s not a violation because it doesn’t choose one religion over another. Part of the reasoning behind the 1st Amendment is because at the time, and for instance, if someone wanted to serve political office, they needed to be a member of the Church of England.

            I don’t care if someone is an atheist, Buddist or Gaia worshiper — as long as they don’t tell me I can’t be an open Christian. Again, hanging a banner with those three little words infringes on no one, because it’s not forcing anyone to worship any God.

          • Quality

            Choosing 2 religions over the rest, or 3 over the rest is the same thing as choosing 1 over the rest.

            Here’s that Madison quote again. Note the “or two combined together”.

            “Congress should not establish a religion and enforce the legal observation
            of it by law, nor compel men to worship God in any manner contary to their
            conscience, or that one sect might obtain a pre-eminence, or two combined
            together, and establish a religion to which they would compel others to
            conform.”

            Do you a law that says “Only Catholics and Protestants can serve in office” would be acceptable because it includes more than one belief system?

          • http://www.almarquardt.com/ almarquardt

            You’re twisting my words, and you’re ignoring my point. I’ll state it one more time, and if you don’t get it, not my problem.

            A banner with three little words does not compel anyone to worship anything, and there is no punishment if someone chooses to ignore it.

            To add: Nothing in the Constitution says you must be protected from being offended.

          • Quality

            I’m not twisting your words. You got hung up on it not supporting one specific religion. The point was that it clearly supports some religions over others.

            CSS isn’t limited to actions which involve punishments. Simply promoting religion is a problem.

          • http://www.almarquardt.com/ almarquardt

            I don’t get how a simple sign is “promoting” religion in the first place, especially since the Founding Fathers didn’t have a problem with mentioning God — public or private. Otherwise, they never would have signed the Declaration of Independence.

          • Quality

            You don’t get how a big sign is promoting something? Isn’t that what advertisements are? The meaning of the sign is “The US Post Office supports this message about God”.

          • http://www.almarquardt.com/ almarquardt

            Yeah? So? If they wanted to put up a sign about the opening of a new mosque, I wouldn’t have a problem with it. Because, again, no one is forcing me to do anything.

          • Quality

            I would. Even setting aside the religious aspect, why does the mosque deserve free advertising?

          • http://www.almarquardt.com/ almarquardt

            Why not? For me, it’s about treating all religions (or lack thereof) equally, and not silence all of them for the sake of a few who have no faith in a higher power.
            So if you wanted to put up a banner below the “God Bless America” that said, “God is Dead,” go right ahead. I’ll even help you hang it up — as long as the other one stays.

          • Quality

            We’re in some agreement here.

            IF the post office wants to make their walls a public forum where anyone can place banners, that’s fine. But there’s zero indication in this case that the post office walls were being used as a public forum.

            This is something that has come up many times in CSS cases and it usually follows the same pattern: Christians put up display => legal challenge ensues => Christians say it’s a public forum => atheists, Muslims, Hindus, Satanists start putting up displays => Christians revoke public forum policy. It’s not about free speech or religious expression; it’s about Christian privilege.

          • http://www.almarquardt.com/ almarquardt

            What other Christians do or don’t do is irrelevant. We don’t punish everyone because of the bad actions of a few. We either treat everyone fairly, or we don’t. There’s no middle ground.

          • Quality

            Cool. Then the Post Office either becomes a public forum, or doesn’t have any religious banners.

          • http://www.almarquardt.com/ almarquardt

            May as well repeal the 1st Amendment, then.

          • Quality

            What?

          • http://www.almarquardt.com/ almarquardt

            “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.”

            The beauty of the First Amendment is it covers many rights in few words. It is the epitome of concision.

            The removal of the banner is not only a religious rights (and its free exercise thereof) violation, but is also a freedom of speech violation.

            The 1st Amendment is to protect people while in the public square (including and especially public property) to voice their opinions and, yes, proclaim their faith and religion. To say that “they can’t do it in public, but if they want to do it in private, or on private property, we can’t stop them,” is a violation — again — of the 1st Amendment. Freedom, by definition, cannot constrained by geography.

            For without public dissension, public discourse and public worship, we are no longer a free nation. You take away the rights of one, you eventually take away the rights of all. Nothing about any of the Bill of Rights says they’re an either/or proposition based on what someone agrees or disagrees with. It encompasses all. Period. Hence my comment about repealing the 1st Amendment, because that’s exactly what you seem to be advocating — you deciding that religious expression is inappropriate based on nothing but geography.

          • Quality

            “The removal of the banner is not only a religious rights (and its free
            exercise thereof) violation, but is also a freedom of speech violation.”

            That’s absurd. You have no right to put banners wherever you choose. You think you can just walk up to a school, or police station, or courthouse and put up big signs all over them? And to stop you would be an infringement on your rights? The First Amendment has never operated that way.

          • http://www.almarquardt.com/ almarquardt

            I’m not saying they shouldn’t ask permission first — which they did. But to claim that it’s a violation of the 1st Amendment to keep it up after the fact is what’s absurd.

          • Quality

            Not absurd at all. The USPS building was never established as a public forum. Giving preference to one religious banner is a 1A violation.

          • http://www.almarquardt.com/ almarquardt

            It’s only a “preference” if they denied others the same consideration.

          • Quality

            The post office was not set up as a public forum.

          • Patrick Chester

            There are atheists (and I guess some agnostics) who are… insecure in their unfaith that any sign of religious expression is seen as a threat to them.

            Those who are secure in their unfaith can simply walk by a sign saying “God Bless America” without having the screaming fits the insecure ones have. Hey, they might even be able to smile and say thank you when a Christian says “God Bless you” to them.

          • JPT

            So, then shouldn’t the phrase, added to the Pledge through political urging of the Catholic Knights of Columbus in the 1950s, more accurately read ” one nation…under ANY God…” ?

          • http://www.almarquardt.com/ almarquardt

            Irrelevant to the discussion. We’re talking about a three-word banner on pubic property.

          • Donald-Irredeemable deplorable

            Doesn’t Islam proclaim Allah is the same God of Abraham and Moses, and that most people when asked about God say HE has many names, but is the same God to all people, the difference is in HOW HE/She/It is worshipped and how the teachings are interpreted, that’s the important thing (my book/interpretations are HOLIER/TRUER than yours) rather than if He’s called God, Allah, Yahweh, the Big Guy in the Sky, or Fred? So why shouldn’t it be just God, why all the qualifiers?

          • JPT

            Well, then, if it truly is intended to be a generic mention of a God, then surely no one here would object if the religious mottos and slogans and politicians’ prayers were altered to specifically indicate that any God will do,

            Yeah, let’s work on it

            Everyone ok with that?

          • Finrod Felagund

            Idiot. No establishment of religion means that there will never be a Church of the United States, as opposed to the Church of England. Any other interpretation is just mendacious tomfoolery.

          • Quality

            No, that’s not what it means. If the founders merely wanted to prevent the creation of an official federal religion, then they would have said that. Instead, they chose far more broad language, and the writings of men like Madison and Jefferson confirm what was intended.

            But Madison and Jefferson and all those uneducated Supreme Court Justices are wrong. You’re right.

          • Finrod Felagund

            What part of “Jefferson wasn’t there and Madison didn’t say that” do you not understand, idiot leftist troll?

          • Quality

            The part where one is an child-like semantic argument and the other ignores Jefferson’s influence and knowledge.

          • Finrod Felagund

            Oh, so we should go by what someone who wasn’t there and didn’t write about it until years later said instead of the plain words of the amendment itself.

            Bloody idiot.

          • Quality

            I’m the one using the plain words. Supported by other writings by…the guy who wrote it. And the guy who influenced him.

          • Finrod Felagund

            Go away and come back when you’ve figured out what it means to “establish a religion”. Also, when you’ve grown a brain.

          • Quality

            I’ll do that. Meanwhile, you should learn about commas, and what they indicate in sentences.

    • The Marathon Man

      That clause is there because the Founders wanted to prevent the government from FORMING a religion, in the same vein as King Henry VIII formed the Church of England. It was never the intention to prevent government from interacting, and at times contributing, to already-established religious orders. I mean, if Emperor Barry can attend a mosque in Baltimore without question……

      • truethevote

        Hey yeah! How on earth can he be seen going into ANY religious institution of any kind? HE IS GOVT!

  • lesterwink23

    I get along fine with atheists as long as they leave me alone, but there’s no question many of them are flat-out bullies who go out of their way to launch this kind of campaign. I honestly wonder if this group would’ve done the same thing if the banner read “Allah Bless America”

    • Quality

      Of course they would.

      The better question to ask is whether or not these Christians would support the Islamic banner. I think we know the answer to that.

    • JPT

      Yes, yes they would.

      In addition, I’ll assert the community would not be so much in favor of an “Allah Bless America” being displayed at a para-governmental setting.

      • Rogue Cheddar

        You know this how? Point to me the incidents of the atheists and the ACLU bullies clamoring against Islamic expression, ‘Kill the infidel!’ being the exception of course.

        • JPT

          The ACLU doesn’t attempt to suppress freedom of expression — quite the opposite.

          When religious opinion or slogans are displayed in para-governmental settings, it must be challenged as contrary to the First Amendment, which guarantees freedom of thought for all, not just dominant religions.

          • http://truthbeforedishonor.wordpress.com John Hitchcock

            The Anti-Christian Libertines Union? Not suppress freedom of expression? You’ve got to be outside your John Brown mind.

          • spaceycakes

            sooo…you got nuthin

          • journogal

            Never does have anything.

          • http://truthbeforedishonor.wordpress.com John Hitchcock

            The only one that ever up-votes him is his left hand. (His right hand is busy, and he’s slowly going blind.)

          • Rogue Cheddar

            Bwahahahahahahahaha! You funny guy.

      • tops116 ✓Quipper
      • Girl who talks with her eyes

        No, the evangelical anti-theists are scared crapless of anything Islamic. Offend Christians-get another cheek turned toward you. Offend Islam-get bombed, beheaded or pushed off a building.
        That is why the chickenshit Left hounds Christians and won’t even address how it’s not racist, sexist, homophobic when Islam kills based on skin color, oppresses women and kills people for being gay.

      • journogal

        Didn’t you “call out” a commenter above from broad brushing atheists, hypocrite? I guess it doesn’t count when you do it.

        • JPT

          Actually, I intended to indicate the organizations such as the ACLU and Freedom From religion Foundation would have. Please excuse the lack of specificity.

          Individual atheists, like theists, are quite varied; some are unreasonable.

  • Donald-Irredeemable deplorable

    THIS to the folks in Pittsburgh, Kansas!!

  • Jerry Shelton

    Put them in a fox hole, some how they seem to find god

    • JPT

      That’s been a hackneyed slogan for decades. Ask Pat Tillman and other secular servicemen.

      One could also quip that there are no atheists in insane asylums.

  • tops116 ✓Quipper

    How soon before the atheists start complaining about people putting signs up on private property? “How dare you offend me with your beliefs while I walk by your house?”

    • JPT

      An individual atheist might but organizations luke the ACLU, FFrF, and Americans United state otherwise.

  • bifski

    how come FFR never goes after islam….are they ok with mooselems “praying” in the oklahoma gvmnt rotunda?

  • JosephBloughs ✓Viagrafied

    Don’t these people have a koran, mosque, or star and crescent somewhere to protest? Why is it always in order to “protect” their “freedom” they have to infringe on the freedom of others?

  • Russ

    The USPS is technically not a government entity. Why do these idiots think it’s usps-dot-com, instead of usps-dot-gov? That right there tells you all you need to know about why this isn’t a separation of church and state issue.

    • JPT

      …and “technically not a lie” is still a lie, according to pastors far and wide.

  • http://truthbeforedishonor.wordpress.com John Hitchcock

    The anti-theistic dirtbags need to move to NorK. Every last stinking one of them.

    • JPT

      Bravo! Cogent and profound. The Holy Spirit is SO proud of you now.

      • http://truthbeforedishonor.wordpress.com John Hitchcock

        “Do not give dogs what is sacred; do not throw your pearls to pigs. If
        you do, they may trample them under their feet, and then turn and tear
        you to pieces.” (Matthew 7:6)

        That means I need to determine who the dogs and swine are. In this case, that would be you — obviously — and “quality”.

  • https://disqus.com/home/channel/ncaafchattertalkaboutcollegefootball/ David ✓’ed out

    I can entirely sympathize with the struggles of the Atheist. As such, I am willing to make a huge sacrifice on their behalf. Because Atheists are so heavily burdened with all of the US currency that says “In God We Trust” on it, I am willing, through my own gracious generosity, caring and concern for their cause, to voluntarily remove that heavy, heavy burden from them.

    If any Atheist wants to be free from the Judeo-Christian fascism seen on US money, they can send it all to me, and I will gladly take that burden on myself, so they are free to lighten their consciences of the weight for having to carry pieces of paper invoking God’s name against their will. I will make this sacrifice and accept all of that vile, anti-1st Amendment, anti-Separation of Church and State, conscience burdening currency, so they may be free. I do this of my own free will and accord.

    So, c’mon Atheists…gimme your cash.

    • Patrick Chester

      This agnostic can tolerate a few religious phrases.

      So I’ll keep my cash, thank you. 😀

  • Girl who talks with her eyes

    The country does not have a “state religion”. It does, however have a Christian based history and founders. When the anti-Christian terrorists dredge up quotes where they claim the founding fathers hated Christianity, please do your own research and debunk them, then spread the debunking far and wide.
    That’s what I did when an anti-Christian posted this as fact:

    • Girl who talks with her eyes

      I found REAL quotes from the same people that completely contradict the revisionist bs in their meme.
      Don’t be sucked in by their jackassery.

      • JPT

        David Barton is not doing Christianity any favor with false quotes.

        • Girl who talks with her eyes

          He’s not a representative of Christianity as far as I know.
          Close personal friend of yours?

  • EndangeredNJRepub

    Atheism is a faith, so technically, pushing atheism on the public is technically them doing exactly what they’re bitching about.

    But then again, when have we known these types to be consistent?

    • JPT

      Neutrality in government settings is the only prudent tack to protect religious freedom for all.

      Those who demand an audience for public displays of piety in an otherwise secular setting, are treating their faith more as superstition. Plus, it’s rude and unneighborly.

      • EndangeredNJRepub

        By that logic, the zealous nature of actively forcing the scrubbing of even the most minor religious references (in a country founded under some form of religion) is itself a demand for public displays of godlessness. Goddessness is a faith. Therefore these people are guilty of what they hate. I’m agnostic, and I can admit when crap like this is uncalled for.

        • JPT

          Neutrality in para-governmental settings is neither endorsement nor condemation. It is the only prudent tack to maintain freedom for all in a pluralistic society.

          I can’t say with absolute certainty, but I have a high level of confidence that if I release a pen from my fingers, it will fall to the floor. Is that faith?

          It certainly isn’t religion. Not accepting belief in a God is not a religion, either. The terms get bandied about in apologetics circles in attempt to gain a better position on the concepts of proof burden and legal standing.

          Also bandied about in those circles are teachings that there are no such people as agnostics and atheists, that each one of us actually knows “deep down” that Jesus is the Savior. They continually strive to have such things be taught in public schools.

          They must be continually halted and that requires efforts such as reminding Americans of the legal limits — the limits that provide protection of their rights, as well.

          • EndangeredNJRepub

            The certainty you have that the pen will fall to the floor is trust, not faith. We have scientific laws that act as evidence that your pen will fall. If you believed that the pen would fall with no empirical evidence, it would be *trust without evidence*. There’s a word that.

            Not accepting belief in god is faith. You’re affirming a truth you have zero evidence to empirically support. Again, trust in that you cannot concretely prove is called faith. Bear in mind, I never said atheism is a religion, I said *faith.* The words are used interchangeably, but they’re not.

            I don’t pretend to know anything about these bandying circles, but then again as an agnostic, I really only care about this topic abstractly. I don’t mind the faithful, be they the religious or the atheistic kind.

          • JPT

            You’re doing the same thing with the differing definitions of faith.

            Is not accepting claims for the existence of orifice-probing aliens, or Bigfoot, or pixies, the same as faith?

            The evidence for all of those is supposedly more compelling than the evidence provided for a scriptural deity — we can talk to living people who will sincerely attest to all three.

          • EndangeredNJRepub

            I’m not using differing definitions of faith. Faith is faith, trust is trust. If you met me for the first time, knowing nothing about me, and you told me to hold your wallet while you went back into your home, you’d be placing faith in me not to steal it. If you’d known me for 30 years, and we were good friends, it would be trust, since you’d have empirical evidence to support that belief.

            Yes. As a matter of fact, accepting the existence of extraterrestrial sodomy enthusiasts, sasquatch, pixies, fairies, gnomes, elves, unicorns, etc are all examples of faith. Why? Because, again, by declaring affirmatively that those things exist without incontrovertible, *universal* evidence, you would be affirming that which you cannot prove.

            It helps in this discussion to forget the concept of a scriptural Judeo-Christio-Islamic deity. Think about the concept of a deity in its basic form: a being that by its very definition is beyond the scope of human perception and comprehension. How then can any form of evidence capable of being perceived and comprehended disprove the existence of such a being? Similarly, how can any evidence that we can comprehend and perceive *prove* its existence? The same goes for your bigfoots and pixies.

            Aliens, not so much, seeing as how their existence is more a function of numerical odds than creed.

            We may have started disagreeing about a post-office, but don’t mistake me for disagreeing with your premise that faith is logically speaking, illogical. That’s the point of faith, in a religious sense.

          • Petrucio14

            Your paranoia runs deep.

      • constitutionminded

        Personally I would rather have government officials be praying to God for guidance than thinking that they have all the answers themselves.

        • Natasha

          Personally, I would rather government officials stop faking faith to pander to voters.

          • constitutionminded

            True believers don’t fake it.

          • Natasha

            Very true. But, did God really tell multiple people to run for POTUS?

          • constitutionminded

            I don’t know. I am sure He could if that was His plan.

  • drPC

    Why did they take it down? Court cases have already declared such signs are perfectly legal.

    • Girl who talks with her eyes

      Because they are intolerant, hateful, miserable bastards.

      • JPT

        You are a nasty horrible witness.

        • journogal

          Classy personal attack there. Why did you take her comment personally? Hit too close to home? Typical liberal, hater of women that don’t think like them.

        • Girl who talks with her eyes

          You are also an intolerant, hateful, miserable bastard.
          Not exactly news…

  • Girl who talks with her eyes

    Separation of church and state? More like separation of Christianity and state.
    Any other religion is welcome with open arms on government property, apparently.

    “President Obama Hosts a Ramadan Iftar Dinner at the White House

    June 23, 2015 at 4:20 PM ”
    “President Obama Hosts Iftar Dinner at the White House

    July 15, 2014 ”
    https://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2015/06/23/president-obama-hosts-ramadan-iftar-dinner-white-house
    https://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2014/07/15/president-obama-hosts-iftar-dinner-white-house

  • globalcrap

    This is America, if you don’t like it, get the hell out, and move your socialist O Bogus self to Mexico.

  • nukethedems

    An agnostic prayer: “Freedom for me – Tyranny for thee.”

    • JPT

      Nope,

  • http://wandererswaysite.wordpress.com Wanderer

    And they try to make us believe we’re the minority.

    Fat chance. I’d wish them a nice day but they’re not happy unless they have something to be offended and aggrieved about so I’ll save it.

  • Gym

    This is an absolutely wonderful response to the looney left. I’m having serious trouble getting a “Hillary For Prison, 2016” sign

  • JCS

    Moonbats hardest hit.

  • Oysteria (I won)

    Another variation of the Streisand Effect.

    And Michael Newdow is at it again – going to court to have “In God We Trust” removed from our currency. He says it poses a “substantial burden” on an atheist to have to carry money with the phrase on it.

    Me thinks he got sand in his mangina again.

    • JPT

      Well, unfortunately the rules of engagement require a picayune concept called standing.

      You should read some of Nedow’s stuff — and what Jay Sekulow has to say about him.

      • Oysteria (I won)

        The vast majority of people don’t care about utterances of religion in the public place, even on government owned property. As long as there is no compulsion for them to endorse it, they just ignore it.

        I understand the concept of standing. In his case the harm caused to him that he must show is sand in his private parts.

        But what do I know, as a member of the RW-echo chamber replete with dogmatic hate?

        • JPT

          Well, there certainly is a lot of that in these here parts.

  • The_Kat ✓vilified

    I’m agnostic and I think this is hilarious. I despise angry atheists who obsess about something they don’t believe in and who don’t understand the 1st Amendment.

    • JPT

      Who doesn’t understand the First Amendment? Could it be…Satan?

      • constitutionminded

        I think they are talking about you, the guy who upvotes himself.

      • genes ✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ ᵈᵉᵖˡᵒʳᵃᵇˡᵉ

        Well aren’t you special.

      • The_Kat ✓vilified

        Leave Hillary out of this!

        On a more serious note…the atheists who are so bent out of shape over a spirit guy in the sky they don’t believe in don’t understand that this banner does not equate to the US government establishing one particular religion.

      • Petrucio14

        Try not to be any more of a moron than usual.

        • Patrick Chester

          He doesn’t have to try, he just… does.

    • Patrick Chester

      I’m also agnostic and while these anti-theists seem silly, I find myself angered at their control-freak tendencies.

      Makes me wonder what other disagreement they seek to get rid of.

  • Mike Achertz

    I’m an atheist, but the Freedom From Religious Foundation are a bunch of douchebags. In the 90’s, my hometown in Illinois had religious paintings put in the city park around Christmas. The FFRF tried to get the paintings removed and even went so far to get a banner put up on the other side of the park. I don’t remember what the banner said exactly. Now, there were religious douchebags in my town who were vandalizing and kept tearing down the banner, but all in all, it was a ridiculous effort (and I even got lumped in with FFRF because I was a weird “atheist” kid).

    Listen, I can’t speak for everyone, but I have far more better things to be doing than worrying about banners in posts offices or pledges of allegiance or “In God We Trust” on money – I sure have no issues spending said money. Nearly all my family and friends have faith of varying degrees and I’ll always stand side by side with them to protect it, even if I don’t have it myself. Just… mind your own business.

    • Xer0

      Plus you never know if your views will change. I was raised catholic, became an atheist in my 20’s and now consider myself agnostic.

    • The_Kat ✓vilified

      The FFRF freaks forced the City of Wauwatosa in Wisconsin to remove all the crosses off their street signs, which were part of symbols representing the cities and it was because the city has so many churches. So the City had to spend hundreds of thousands of dollars to replace all their signs to make a butt hurt tiny minority happy. It wasn’t like people were kneeling in front of the signs praying or something.

      Me? I would have told them the cross was a “T” that stands for terrific. Then I would have let them guess what FU stands for.

      • JPT

        It stands for you can be as vulgar as you like and still call yourself a Christian.

        • journogal

          Why are you so concerned about what Christians do? We get it, you dislike Christians, but you are too immature to ignore and move on.

          • JPT

            That’s kind of a meaningless question. Why are Christians concerned about what other people do?

            I don’t dislike Christians…I mean, not because they’re Christians. It’s the people who claim to be Christian yet display a nasty aura which is so antithetical to any wisdom which can be derived from their faith, whom I find so off-putting.

          • journogal

            …nasty aura… Funny comment coming from you, considering your comment history on this site. Seems like you only pop up to deride Christians, because God (Oh no, I said God to you) someone doesn’t think exactly like you. What a sad existence you must have. And how sad can one person be up voting themselves.

          • constitutionminded

            Goodness sakes, I just looked and he does upvote himself. LOL

          • Girl who talks with her eyes

            God is fantasy, but “Aura” is real.
            So says the rational and logical person.

          • Patrick Chester

            That’s kind of a meaningless question. Why are Christians concerned about what other people do?

            You mean why do they obsess over signs in a Post Office expressing a faith different than their own?

            Oh wait, that’s your little clique…

        • The_Kat ✓vilified

          Funny JPT but I am NOT a Christian. So I can say fuck you all I want, I guess. Not everyone who is concerned about 1st Amendment rights is a Christian.

          • Patrick Chester

            It’s like Wile E. Coyote (Supergenius!) walking off a cliff when the anti-theists presume anyone who calls them on their crap must be a devout Christian.

    • Giuseppe Franco

      Ditto.

      I’m also an atheist, but I’m not an activist or militant about it because I’m comfortable enough in my own skin that I’m not terrified that symbols of spirituality are going to melt my face off.

      I mean, how insecure do you have to be to be offended by religious symbols?

      Who fucking cares. People like that are the reason why atheists in general are generally liked in this country about as much as neo-nazis.

      • JPT

        Religious messages flourish in this country.

        Maintaining freedom of thought requires diligence. That diligence is what permits you to traipse through life with insoucience as an infidel surrounded by theists.

        • Patrick Chester

          So you aren’t secure in your unfaith. You need to eradicate as many of the “flourishing” religious messages as you can to “free” your thoughts?

          Poor weak-minded little fool.

          • JPT

            I think you’re overlooking the coercive nature of theological claims and the history of psychosocial manipulations attendant to the process.

            The government has no opinion on God. That’s what allows all sorts of opinions regarding imaginary beings. We get to decide for ourselves, independent of majority opinion.

            Neutrality is the only prudent tack to protect religious freedom for all.

          • Patrick Chester

            No, I’m sure I described your weak-minded status pretty accurately.

            Dance away, little one.

          • JPT

            First Peter 3:9

          • Patrick Chester

            You’re making Bible references to an agnostic, twit.

            Keep dancing. Maybe you’ll stumble and have to go off-script.

          • JPT

            My error. You’re acting just as churlish as the Christians around here.

          • Patrick Chester

            Nice backpedal.

            You act like a dick towards Christians and they don’t smile and take it like you want them to? Despite whatever bit of scripture you selectively quote at them?

            You poor soul.

    • JPT

      “We the People”…it is very much our business, Sir.

      • Giuseppe Franco

        Lighten up, chief.

        Whining and being offended about such trivial matters is unbecoming.

        • JPT

          …and yet, there you are…whining and being offended.

          See how freedom works?

          • Giuseppe Franco

            Let the other readers decide for themselves who is the one whining about his butthurt in this exchange.

          • JPT

            You bet.

        • journogal

          And it continues to up-vote itself.

  • Xer0

    these jackasses use “separation of church and state”. Do they know what that means?

    “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof”

    Now how the fuck does this sign apply?

    • JPT

      Do you want to have that discussion, or is vulgarity your where you prefer to rest?

      Let’s see…vulgarity vis-a-vis Christianity? Hmm…I don’t know.

  • Dr. Strabismus

    Where is the tolerance that the left is always lecturing us about? It must be frustrating trying to eradicate the Judeo-Christian tradition that is inextricably woven into the fabric of this nation, not to mention human history. Western civilization really annoys atheists.

    • JPT

      You know all the atheists, do you? You must have one huge Rolodex.

      • spaceycakes

        perhaps bigger than yours with Christians

      • Dr. Strabismus

        No, fair criticism. I painted with an overly broad brush. I’m speaking of a small subset of atheists and should have been more clear.

        • genes ✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ ᵈᵉᵖˡᵒʳᵃᵇˡᵉ

          This subset may call them selves “atheists” but they are really ‘antitheists”. At least when it comes to religions that aren’t likely to behead them.

      • journogal

        Sort of like you and Christians, Republicans and Southerners. I wouldn’t be throwing any rocks if I were you, given your comment history.

  • Banana Republic

    So, the “Arm-Pit” of Kansas made it onto Twitchy?! Seriously, I am really shocked and a little dismayed that the atheist groups prevailed. The retired mob in that county must be loosing its grip. I’m sure that those signs disappeared in a hurry. That is one of the most conservative areas in Kansas, despite have a university there.

  • Dr. Strabismus

    Come to think of it, how are bullying atheists any different from the Muslim fundamentalists who feel compelled to destroy evidence of any belief system other than their own?

    • JPT

      Well, they don’t, so they aren’t. I mean are. You know what I mean.

      …and the Saints all say…

  • Girl who talks with her eyes

    These anti-Christians sit around and lament how the Christian terrorists kill more people every year than ISIS, are far more intolerant than any Muslims they’ve ever met and oppress women more than Shariah law ever could. The throw out idiotic statements like that with NO basis in reality and nod their little heads in agreement, while pleasuring each other (philosophically, at least).
    Islam: kills people every day, mutilates women’s bodies, kills people for being gay, female, unfaithful, etc., marries old men to young girls, and bombs its enemies.
    Christianity: turns the other cheek, does not kill, holds voluntary services, feeds houses & clothes the poor, operates nonprofit hospitals, adopts unwanted babies, cares for mothers of unwanted babies until they can be adopted, fights for human rights, allows for personal choice to join or not join, invites you to its potluck dinners regardless of faith, raises money for good causes.

    Only a completely evil or lying sack of manure could say with a straight face that Christianity is in any way, worse than Islam, or even oppressive in its current form.

    • JPT

      Christianity and the Bible have always changed with the evolution of human thinking in the Western world.

      Islam is 800 years behind. It will take a while for American Muslims to bring the others along.

      • constitutionminded

        God’s word does not nor has ever changed. Man’s interpretation can change. But then man is not God.

      • genes ✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ ᵈᵉᵖˡᵒʳᵃᵇˡᵉ

        You’re assuming that the others don’t drag American Muslims back those 800 years.

  • Botzilla

    More proof atheists are A-holes.

    • JPT

      Uhmmm…you’re gonna spend some dead time in Purgatory for that one!

      • constitutionminded

        No he won’t, no such place.

      • Girl who talks with her eyes

        Please point to the scripture that says anything about purgatory, oh esteemed theologian.

        • JPT

          Another fine example of the need for the wall of separation.

          • Girl who talks with her eyes

            Another dodge from the village idiot.
            Try to answer the question.

  • TTTCOTTH

    Atheists, butthurt cream is on aisle 6

  • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lS8RjCRolSM Sanchez

    God Bless America.

  • bigal64

    I’m sure they are working on getting this removed. Still looking for the law that Congress passed that says you have to pray, bow down to God?

  • HENCHMAN 0804

    How pathetic do you have to be to have this removed? I am not religious and have
    no problem with it.

  • Matt Kolb

    People, learn your constitution and quit getting bullied by those intent on removing any and all trace to God in our society. In this country, there is no such thing as separation of church and state.

    The First Amendment’s “Establishment Clause,” a mere 10 words, is the primary tool secular separatists misuse and abuse to “fundamentally transform” America to reflect their own anti-Christian self-image.

    Yet these words remain abundantly clear in both scope and meaning. The Establishment Clause states merely: “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion. …”

    That’s it.

    • JPT

      Well, no, that’s not it.

      Atheists cannot remove any trace — let alone all trace — of God from society. With the advent of ubiquitous social media, that task is being performed quite adequately by Christian clergy and apologists themselves.

      You can’t even shed your own charlatans.

      • Matt Kolb

        Who is “you”? Do you know me? What point are you trying to make other than a inconsequential redirect from the facts?

      • Petrucio14

        We definitely cannot shed you, and you are obviously an obnoxious charlatan.

    • Petrucio14

      Or prohibiting the free exercise thereof. The part than anti-theists conveniently obscure.

  • Frustrated Teacher

    “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof” – it’s odd that an ignorant moron like me just CANNOT for the life of me figure out how a post office with a banner violates ANY part of this statement…..Congress was not involved in the least…

    • JPT

      If you insist on parsing sentences in that fashion, you’re gonna spend the rest of your days justifying all sorts of crazy interpretations of the Bible.

      Wait…that’s what apologists have been up to for thousands of years and they still can’t manage to get things straight amongst themselves.

      That’s why we need a secular government.

      • spaceycakes

        do you live in Iran?

      • gekkobear

        Ok, so a couple questions.

        In this town, which God was blessing America?
        Why is it offensive for this God to bless America?
        What is the next step to control how private citizens use their private property to silence this message you don’t approve of in the name of free speech?

        I’m an agnostic. I don’t have a dog in this fight ( or a god in this fight, if you’re dyslexic).
        But If someone says “God bless” or “I’ll pray for you” when I’m sick or whatever?

        Yeah, I let that go without deciding they need a lecture on my beliefs.

        But good luck with your secularizing all of Government.
        As the Declaration of Independence openly references God; I guess we ditch that next.
        So are we a protectorate of the UK once we throw that out?

        Or is that somehow silly, but this was entirely necessary and crucial for a reason I just can’t see?

      • Frustrated Teacher

        I am a Christian, but believe in separation of church and state…I just think it has gone WAY too far to the other side and many people’s right to practice is being stepped on. Of course, many Christians don’t help when they make idiots of themselves with unconstitutional rants and ravings. They often fail to realize that although the Bible may be the highest authority in their lives, the United States works because the Constitution is the highest law of the land.

        • JPT

          I too, favor a society where Christianity is allowed to flourish — within a prudent framework which inhibits supremacy.

          I find many clergy and other Christian leaders are not satisfied to live in a land where they can flourish and teach us how we SHOULD live. They crave the authority and power to tell us how we’re darned well GONNA live.

          Americans don’t like that.

          • tbmbuzz

            “They crave the authority and power to tell us how we’re darned well GONNA live.”
            So are you saying you’re not a Democrat?

          • Frustrated Teacher

            Well, said!

      • markh58

        How can you say “secular government” when you worship government as your god?

        • JPT

          You’ve been lied to, laddie.

          • markh58

            By whom? You are the liberal correct?

  • Evie1949

    The Freedom From Religion group has their right to protest but no right to direct what happens from that decision.

  • http://yourdaddy.net/ NotaLemming

    Just ask the victims!

  • William2010

    If non-Atheists who also believe in a Supreme Being, God, actually outnumber Atheists, the fact that Atheists are not all destroyed demonstrates that those who do not think like them are peaceful, non-violent people, otherwise all the atheists would be dead and, if any were around, they would be in deep undercover hiding and hunted. Thankfully those who believe in God are not that nasty, although those who believe in Allah, the Islamofascist militant Jihadis, ARE that nasty, and worse. Have atheists gone after Muslims in attempting to censor their speech, expression, and religious practice?

  • lCOYAR

    Atheism is the “religion” that has enslaved, tortured, and more innocent people than even Islam ever did, and all in the past century too.

    All for a nihilistic lie that “people are inherently good”, or whatever nonsense.

  • Dan Abbett

    The words “God Bless America” in no way advocates a particular religion nor does is make a specific reference to a particular diety. The words do not make reference to any specific church or denomination and they are not directed at any person or ethnicity. Challenges on the basis of separation of church and state must not be tolerated.

  • T-White

    Just because an atheist doesn’t believe in God does not mean they have the right to infringe on my religious beliefs, nor does it mean God doesn’t exist. Just as I don’t believe we willingly elect morons to public office but every day I’m proven wrong.

  • T-White

    Nowhere in the Constitution does it say anyone has the right to infringe on anyone’s rights or freedoms just because you don’t agree with them. if you don’t agree, walk away quietly and don’t come back and leave me to me and mine just as you want to be left to you and yours. I won’t try to force God on you if you don’t try to rip him from my life.

  • leftiesneedhelp

    There is no such thing as Separation of Church and State. IT IS NOT IN THE CONSTITUTION ANYWHERE!!!

    • JPT

      There is no such thing as the Holy Trinity. It is not in the Bible anywhere.

      • Kelly

        Might need to update your material. That old meme is no longer in vogue. I’d say about 1,300 years stale. Because the name “Trinity” was not affixed to God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit, does not mean that there is no such thing as the Holy Trinity as outlined in full using exact terminology of Augustine’s On the Trinity (published 415 AD). Have some intellectual honesty – or at least some intelligence when you throw out two lined tired material.

        • JPT

          Now, now. That was my point, regarding extrapolating concepts not clearly dilineated in earlier documents.

          Though, I can assure you that Augustine’s (and others who completed the work) doctrine was and is considered controversial among some theologians.

          Curious that such a sine qua non for the deity of Christ would escape clear mention in NT writings, don’t you think?

          • Finrod Felagund

            “Before Abraham was, I AM.”

          • Kelly

            I see that if a rose smells like a rose, looks like a rose, but is not named a “rose”, it isn’t a rose to you. Quite simply, the Trinity though not named “Trinity” is rampant both in the Old Testament and the New. Augustine is one of the least controversial theologians in history – as well as one of the most brilliant known minds. I’d love for you to list “some theologians” you cite as it would be interesting to see who your sources are. Again, you are late to leave the party – so many other rehashed controversies to latch on to.

          • JPT

            This is not the venue for exegesis. That doctrine is of no consequence to the point I was making; i.e., the inference of principles and concepts not clearly delineated in texts.

          • Kelly

            If this is not the venue for exegesis then your original argument has no place in this comment section, does it? Your comment that the concept of the Trinity is not clearly delineated in texts is your own personal exegesis of the Godhead as referenced in Scripture. Rationally speaking, your opinion is simply an opinion that many great minds and great thinkers would strenuously oppose.

          • JPT

            Well, that would be eisegesis at that point.

            Great minds and great thinkers have been strenuously opposing stuff for a long time; you have been at this for 4,000 years and still can’t manage to get things straight amongst yourselves.

            All theological claims are nothing more than opinions. Hence, the need for a wall of separation between church and state.

            How does neutrality in a governmental setting inhibit one’s ability to believe in any God they choose? Displaying theistic slogans in such settings, does indeed display promotion of supernatural beings.

            And that’s just not kosher.

          • Kelly

            I may be getting long in the tooth, my dear, but I am not 4,000 years old. Of course, you are using the euphemistic “you” – the slayer of rational conversation.

  • 2tor

    If everyone would start fighting these folks in court, eventually they wouldn’t have the funds to go around picking on people.

    • Petrucio14

      Which is why they try to establish judicial precedent by picking on the small towns, the small schools, the small organizations who cannot afford to fight their asshattery in court.

  • firesale

    Most Atheist have an identity problem and like the Devil just want to be noticed !

    • The_Wretched

      Says the people who put up 1200 signs? How is that not a giant call to “pay attention to me”?

  • firesale

    I really feel God put Donald Trump in this race to striated out the mess the Anti Christ left this country in. I’m not a religious person but since our present President of communist history toke office and has tried to control this country our God is paying attention. Thank you Donald Trump for running , hope you stay and fight for us.

  • Linda

    It’s only a matter of time before there will be a movement to take “In God We Trust” off of all of our currency.

    • Jerome Goolsby

      I think they’ve already tried with one case reaching the Supreme Court and failing.

    • oldfiredog

      That’s why we must remove all lib/progs from Washington,D.C.

    • genes ✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ ᵈᵉᵖˡᵒʳᵃᵇˡᵉ

      They recently tried to get it taken off a Sheriff Departments vehicles. They lost.

  • lainer51

    Finally, a story to be proud of in this crazy, upside world. We should ALL get banners and flags and let the atheists’ heads explode from the glare of red, white and blue.

    • JPT

      Yes. You can display all the religious paraphenalia you like in non-government settings, with most atheists’ blessings.

      Go for it. See how long that lasts.

      I recall the Sunday after September 11, 2001 our streets were full of cars parked for a church three blocks away. How long did that go on?

      You don’t have to be a church-attending tithe-offering Christian when you can just post a few indignacious comments about church-state separation or prayer in schools.

      We’re watching. We’re always watching and listening. So are your children.

      • constitutionminded

        You folks are just beating your head against the wall. You will never overcome the church. You will never win against God. So much hate you people have. Shame.

        • JPT

          Don’t look now, but American evangelical churches are bleeding away pew-sitters as they continue their drift into irrelevance.

          • constitutionminded

            Yep, true. Churches that don’t preach His word will fall away. But His church will never be overcome.

          • constitutionminded

            True, any church that don’t preach God’s word will fall aside, but His church will never be overcome.

      • lainer51

        atheists’ blessings is a full-blown oxymoron.

        • JPT

          Amen to that.

  • ninetyninepct

    How about To Hell with Atheism?

    • genes ✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ ᵈᵉᵖˡᵒʳᵃᵇˡᵉ

      Atheists have a problem. If they’re right, they will never know. If they’re wrong….

      • JPT

        …and there we have it: THEE cornerstone of religion.

        Buy it or else. SO convincing.

        • genes ✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ ᵈᵉᵖˡᵒʳᵃᵇˡᵉ

          To misquote sir Walter(I think).
          If you live like there is a god and are wrong, you have at least earned the goodwill of your fellow man. If you live like there is no god and there is, You in a heap of trouble.

  • constitutionminded

    Some group in Wisconsin wants to dictate to the rest of us about how they don’t like God. If they don’t believe in Him, why all the butthurt?

  • flagmantexasmarine

    if the believe there is no God
    Why does God offend them

    • IslandAtheist

      Why don’t you ask your god that?

  • flagmantexasmarine

    I never met an atheist in battle

  • El Derecho

    The First Amendment was not created to protect government from religion. It was created to protect religion from government.

    • JPT

      Wrong.

      • constitutionminded

        Oh, were you there when they wrote it?

    • flagmantexasmarine

      The amendments are God given rights
      that cannot be taken away by man

    • Petrucio14

      The entire constitution was not written to protect or exalt the government.The constitution was written to protect individual rights FROM the government, which in the normal course of time always trends toward tyranny.

  • El Derecho

    Reagan’s speech to the Nation Association of Evangelicals in 1983. The perfect rebuttal to the anti-God Left…

    http://www.nationalcenter.org/ReaganEvilEmpire1983.html

  • El Derecho

    The erroneous idea of a “wall of separation between church and state” is based on a willful misinterpretation of Thomas Jefferson’s words by the anti-Catholic bigot and former Klansman, Justice Hugo Black. It’s certainly nowhere to be found in the Constitution.

    http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2006/06/the-mythical-wall-of-separation-how-a-misused-metaphor-changed-church-state-law-policy-and-discourse

  • bo1921

    All well and good, BUT, the original banner needs to go back up where it belongs!

  • An American Veteran

    I believe in is about time that someone step up and sue the Freedom From Religion Foundation for working with government officials to deny religious expression

  • Deceptitech

    I am not religious. I do however have a belief in a God, and respect any religion to practice as long as they don’t force their will upon me.(Islam is more like “join or we keel you!”) That being said these FFR nuts, who make religion seem good compared to their thuggery, need to back the hell off. All they are doing is pissing off the slowly(I mean VERY SLOWLY) awakening giant that is here.

  • Yitzhak Finnegan

    I’m an atheist, and these buttinskis do not speak for me. Stop assuming that every act by an atheist in the name of atheism means that person speaks for all atheists. That isn’t true of Christians and it isn’t true of us!

    • Petrucio14

      You’re right. People of goodwill exist everywhere. So do jackasses. The Freedom From Religion organization seems to have more than their share of the latter.

  • TheCountess De Plorable

    Why would anyone dislike anything that would wish the well-being of a nation? And what would anyone care if it’s the god of someone doing it, as long as it’s intent is for good? We know Islam isn’t wishing us well. Are atheists wishing the nation ill?
    Now, when the word changes from blessing to cursing, then I can see a reason to get upset.

  • DMayEADS

    I don’t get it. If you don’t believe in God, why is it so offensive for others to say they do? It’s not like you HAVE to believe! I don’t believe in Santa Claus, but that doesn’t mean the mayor can’t dress up. If absolutely for no other reason, historically this country was founded with religious beliefs. Maybe it’s time to tell these folks, It’s quaint” and it’s leftover from history. Wow!

    • JPT

      Which religious beliefs?

      • Petrucio14

        Another jackass brays. Thanks for your comments, JPT. Your continuous blather reminds everyone what a fool you are. Thankfully, not all atheists are jackasses and you don’t represent them.

        • JPT

          Glad I could help.

    • The_Wretched

      Did you see all the anti-atheist slander and insults in this comment section? Were the brand new recent sign just a ‘leftover from history’ I don’t think we’d see such hate and bigotry out of the pious and holy christians.

  • Eva_Galley

    And people think Ted Cruz can’t win because he is an unashamed Christian?
    I call ‘bull’! This country is hungry for a return to decency and freedom.

  • Brian Westley

    If the local post office has the authority to put up a “god bless America” sign, that means it has exactly the same authority to put up an “allah akbar” sign (which only means “god is great” in Arabic).

    So if you don’t want government post offices to put up one, you need to fight against both.

    • Petrucio14

      Um, no. There is no context whatsoever in which ‘God bless America’ could be construed in a negative context by a reasonable person. ‘Allah akbar’ regardless of its translation is continually used as a battle cry for terrorists. False equivalence does nothing to strengthen your argument.

      • Brian Westley

        There is no context whatsoever in which ‘God bless America’ could be construed in a negative context by a reasonable person.

        Sure there is. Atheists don’t believe in gods, and some theists don’t believe gods give “blessings”. There might even be some Christians or other theists who don’t think their god ought to bless America, or that their god shouldn’t be “ordered” to bless America.

        ‘Allah akbar’ regardless of its translation is continually used as a battle cry for terrorists.

        So what? Like I said, the post office has exactly the same authority to put up either sign — it really doesn’t matter if you associate it with terrorism. If they have the authority, they can do it even if you don’t like it.

        • Flax Seed

          How can one be harmed by something they don’t believe in?

          I don’t believe in Santa Claus but the fact that children do causes me no harm.

          • Brian Westley

            How can one be harmed by something they don’t believe in?

            How can someone be harmed by “allah akbar”?

          • jamson64

            You’re a complete blowhard who doesn’t understand English . Later loser.

          • Brian Westley

            Yeah, that argument will win in court.

          • Flax Seed
          • Brian Westley

            That’s not being “harmed’ by the words themselves. So I guess you’d have no objection to a post office with a sign saying ‘allah akbar’, since it harms no one.

          • Flax Seed

            Does it bother you that all your legal tender says “In God We Trust” on it?

          • Brian Westley

            It shouldn’t, but it’s hilarious that people who argue in favor of it are forced to lie and claim that it isn’t a religious phrase.

          • Flax Seed

            Which religion would that be?

        • jamson64

          So what…you’re being obtuse. Oh and lay off the bong.

          • The_Wretched

            “Oh and lay off the bong”
            So to the reasonable christians who are reading here, do you support this bigoted and unsupported insult? Why are so many of the followers of Christ here hateful and bigoted? Don’t you all call for your own to be kind and reasonable?

          • wineskin

            It’s unfortunate but when one’s faith is being attacked and ridiculed and you’re reduced to worshipping a ‘fairy in the sky’ then you’re going to get knee jerk reactions and I can’t believe you can’t see that. So, what…Christians should take the high road but aetheists, slander away…

          • The_Wretched

            Double check the comment subthreads and score them for which side called names or made unsubstantiated insults first. Typically, the ‘kneejerking’ is in a reply and not the start of a subthread. I’m pretty comfortable with what I think you’ll find. At the very least, you will have to recognize that the christians are not the victims here and your ‘persecution’ is limited.

            As to the high road, atheists don’t claim to have the source of all objective morality on our side.

          • wineskin

            You hate Christians…got it.

          • The_Wretched

            No, I do not hate christians. Don’t put words and ideas into my mouth. Most of my family is catholic. My wife was evangelical and her family still is.

            Pushing for secularism – something the minority religions (by region that historically meant catholic or baptist) did historically, is not hate. It’s not even close.

            I asked you to look at the evidence here and you concluded that you’d find poorly behaving christians (more so than the secularists) and labeled that ‘hate’.

            Be fair wineskin, I’ve been very fair with you.

          • wineskin

            Hey I’m on your side. In my view it’s only going to get worse for Christian folk anyways, so round them all up now, force churches to go underground, whatever. It’s only fulfilling what was prophesied.

          • The_Wretched

            You are mendacious. I don’t want a round up and haven’t said anything like that. I’ve said the government, courts, secretary of states offices, city halls etc should remain secular. If a church is on it’s own property, great! I’m all for you having a club or two to spend time with.

            Why do you keep leaping to ludicrous scenarios?

          • The_Wretched

            Are you aware that the country is 85% christian and ~ 5% atheist? Does minority / majority make a difference in your assessment of moral worth of insulting and baseless comments?

        • Petrucio14

          Read more carefully. I addressed my comment to a reasonable person, not you.

          • Brian Westley

            Sorry, you don’t know the law at all. If the government has the authority to do something, the fact that you don’t like it doesn’t take that away. You’re paving the way for “allah akbar”.

          • Petrucio14

            You’re funny. Utterly confused, but funny.

          • Brian Westley

            I’m not confused – if the government has the authority to do something, they can do it even if some people don’t like it. Happens all the time.

    • jamson64

      Follow the constitution. The banner establno religion…but hey enjoy the banners put up by those Great Americans.

      • Brian Westley

        Follow the “no establishment” clause, unless you’re OK with “allah akbar” on the local post office too.

        • jamson64

          Follow the constitution…you don’t read well. Quit drugs…pothead.

          • Brian Westley

            Says the guy who wrote “The banner establno religion”.

            I see you have no arguments and can only throw out baseless accusations.

  • KhadijahMuhammad

    Seems to me that the FFRF could be, given a creative and resourceful attorney, prosecuted using RICO statutes. 🙂

    • Brian Westley

      Seems to me you got your legal training from the back of a box of cereal.

  • jamson64

    The banner on the post office established no religion.

  • Sua Sponte

    You can always count on these clowns always trying to make everyone as miserable, jaded, bitter, and epic stompy footed children as they are….

    • Brian Westley

      There appears to be lots of whining on the part of god-believers for having a sign taken down.

      • Sua Sponte

        Yeah, that darn Constitution……Also quite funny that they don’t apply the same to the religion that shall not be named…

        • jamson64

          No religion was established.

          • Sua Sponte

            Should have included the in there…

        • Brian Westley

          Also quite funny that they don’t apply the same to the religion that shall not be named.

          They do — just find a US government post office that puts up a sign advocating Islam and the FFRF will get that taken down too.

          Got any examples?

      • jamson64

        Hey loser…the good people still won…you lost. Soak in those signs…and jeez…get a friggin life.

        • Brian Westley

          They didn’t win — I often see Christians, after losing some first amendment fight, do something similar, but legal, to pretend they’ve “won”.

          That’s exactly what happened here. It’s off government property. People can put up signs on their own property, including “allah akbar” or “gods are myths, stupid”.

          • Dan13

            Where are those signs going up, Sparky?

          • Brian Westley

            On private property, not on government property. Exactly as I said — Christians do something similar, but legal, to pretend they’ve “won”.

          • https://disqus.com/home/channel/atheismftw/ Ian Cooper

            They are going up on private land, not on public land. This is a win for the Constitution of the United States – the flag was removed, as required by the US Constitution, and the private exhibitions are going up, as permitted by the Constitution. This is not a “win” for Christianity. It’s a win for America. Christianity lost, in that the United States government can’t favor any religion, so religious symbols can’t be placed in public spaces. That is still the case.

  • Heather Atkinson

    THIS is how you deal with the angry, asinine, loud minority of the atheist minority.

    They sue to take down one banner, put up 1,200!

    • The_Wretched

      As an atheist, I’m a-ok with people putting signage on their property. I’m also happy the government isn’t being used as the advertising podium for just one special religion.

  • HSD2015

    I LOVE IT!!!

  • ROBERT

    Atheist’s already Have Their Own Holiday! It’s April First! Now keep Your Nose Out Of Christian folks Business! way to go Jake!

    • The_Wretched

      Hey, good use of slander there. We are all fools, haha. Got us in one!

  • wharfrat

    The Atheist are outsiders all over America, they come where they are not wanted and demand we turn our backs on our only hope-GOD!!,we as Americans must fight back against this evil and stand up to it,the Muslims are the same type of evil, they are demanding we change and do as they say,STAND UP AND STOP THIS FROM HAPPENING!!,it all began with Obama,

    • Brian Westley

      The Atheist are outsiders all over America, they come where they are not wanted and demand we turn our backs on our only hope-GOD!!,

      No, most of us were born here, and we only want to keep the government neutral.

      • Patrick Chester

        Oh puh-leaze.

        You are not interested in keeping government “neutral” you are interested in using the government to pander to your beliefs and eradicate other beliefs.

        Oh, and you might want to be careful with flinging the “we” part around. Not every atheist is a weak-minded little fool who goes into a screaming fit when they see a “God Bless America” sign on a wall.

        • Brian Westley

          You are not interested in keeping government “neutral” you are interested in using the government to pander to your beliefs and eradicate other beliefs.

          When MY government pushes YOUR beliefs, the only way to make it neutral is to stop the government from pushing your beliefs.

          Oh, and you might want to be careful with flinging the “we” part around. Not every atheist is a weak-minded little fool who goes into a screaming fit when they see a “God Bless America” sign on a wall.

          You can be a doormat if you like.

          • Patrick Chester

            I’m trying to think of how the government is pushing agnosticism… oh wait, you presumed I was Christian? Silly little fanatic.

            Hmm… “Respecting the rights of others who disagree with me” is “being a doormat” in your tiny overheated little head?

            Oh dear, I’m violating Atheist Dogma. Call the Atheist Inquisition! Make me recant!

            *eyeroll*

          • Brian Westley

            I’m trying to think of how the government is pushing agnosticism

            Like I said, you can be a doormat.

            Hmm… “Respecting the rights of others who disagree with me” is “being a doormat” in your tiny overheated little head?

            Nope, allowing the majority religion to use your government to push their religious views is being a doormat.

          • Patrick Chester

            A sign isn’t “pushing” anything, except to weak-minded fools who are so insecure they need to eradicate any expression of a “majority” religion to feel safe from impure thoughts.

            Which makes your sneering “doormat” comment mildly amusing. You think respecting other people’s rights is a weakness to despise and pretend you’re somehow enlightened for holding that belief.

          • Brian Westley

            A sign isn’t “pushing” anything

            Sure it is; change it to “allah akbar” and see how people react.

            And you’re a doormat if you don’t fight unconstitutional acts by your own government. Why do you think they didn’t even try to fight this?

          • Patrick Chester

            Unconstitutional acts like, oh, denying free expression of religion?

            But please do follow the script you were given.

          • Brian Westley

            Unconstitutional acts like, oh, denying free expression of religion?

            The post office doesn’t have free expression of religion, it’s a government office. They are restrained by the “no establishment” clause.

          • Brian Westley

            A post office doesn’t have free expression, it’s restrained by the no establishment clause.

          • Patrick Chester

            The people at the post office do have free expression.

            Also, a sign is just a sign. It has nothing to do with establishing a religion so find another script to parrot.

          • Brian Westley

            The people at the post office do have free expression.

            As private citizens; they do not have free expression to use the public’s post office as their own soapbox. They can put signs up on their own property.

            Also, a sign is just a sign.

            And a constitutional violation is just a constitutional violation.

          • Patrick Chester

            Oh good, you found the other part of the script… except it’s the same old repetitive crap hoping to make it true.

            A sign is not a constitutional violation. Too bad for you.

            Now reconnect to the hive mind and demand better talking points.

          • Brian Westley

            Oh good, you found the other part of the script… except it’s the same old repetitive crap hoping to make it true.

            Because it is. If the people working in the post office really did have freedom of expression to put up signs, the sign would not have been taken down.

            A sign is not a constitutional violation. Too bad for you.
            It was taken down. Reality disagrees with you.
            You, of course, DO have the freedom of speech to continue to whine about it.

    • JPT

      How does underscoring government neutrality equate to forcing you to turn your back on your God?

  • https://disqus.com/home/channel/atheismftw/ Ian Cooper

    So, let me get this straight: a post office (public property) was forced to take down a religious symbol, due to “political correctness” (AKA the US Constitution), so Christians in the town decided to put up lots of religious symbols on private property, which they have every right to do.

    Why is this even a story?

  • usaeagle1776

    Lowlife atheists are vermin.

    • JPT

      Is that an historical quote?

      • usaeagle1776

        Yeah. Havent seen any atheist do any good for anyone or anything in society.

        • JPT

          You probably have but they saw no reason to announce and equate the actions with their philosophy.

          • usaeagle1776

            No, the answer is….NO. I don’t see an atheist like St. JUDES hospital, created by Christians, that children with cancer can go to for treatment for FREE!! yeah, theres that.

          • JPT

            I support St Judes I’ve worked for St. Judes. Charity isn’t evidence for deity.

            Even more impressive, would be if Christians were to support that kind of care for all Americans.

          • usaeagle1776

            Christians do and give more than any group on Planet Earth. Typical atheist Christian hater. Dime a dozen on the net.

          • JPT

            I don’t hate Christians. I married a Christian. Christians seem to enjoy working with me.

            Again, charity doesn’t indicate deity. As an organizational grouping, one would expect to see displays of Christian charity.

            Now, wealthy celebrity preachers are another matter, and a big red flag for those who claim divine participation.

          • Patrick Chester

            “Some of my BEST FRIENDS are…”

            *eyeroll*

    • https://disqus.com/home/channel/atheismftw/ Ian Cooper

      That’s the attitude we’ve come to expect from the folks who brought us witch hunts and burnings at the stake. Shame on you!

      • usaeagle1776

        And you brought us people like Lenin, Stalin, Hitler, Mao, PolPot who hated Christians, Jews and those who believed in religion by killing over a 100 MILLION! SHAME ON YOU!

    • The_Wretched

      Actually, we are human beings. The history of treating humans like vermin or calling them such is a horror show. Nice to see open bigotry in the wild and all.

  • http://www.stupidatheist.com J. Gravelle

    I’m certain the devout will be equally supportive when (not “if”) any American municipality garners a Muslim-majority and begins affixing “Allahu Akhbar!” placards to all the taxpaying public’s property…

    • usaeagle1776

      Muslims are 1% of the population, so you Muslim loving apologists will have to wait a bit.

      • http://www.stupidatheist.com J. Gravelle

        Hamtramck, MI has been majority Muslim for a couple years, and the makeup of their city council is as well now. So we’ll see. You’ll support them when they do, I trust.

        And do you yourself not love your Muslim neighbors? I thought your Good Book obliged you to do so…

        • usaeagle1776

          As long as they submit to our culture, our laws, treat women as equals and don’t throw gays off rooftops…then we are good.

          • http://www.stupidatheist.com J. Gravelle

            So you’re cool with this, then…?

          • usaeagle1776

            I guess you didn’t read my comment. If they SUBMIT to OUR CULTURE:
            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/529d3ea99c9d373756918847f8410c1d8478a8ffd6448a45807c047e7da4d59b.jpg

          • http://www.stupidatheist.com J. Gravelle

            I don’t want to misrepresent your position. Would you be equally accepting of government tax dollars promoting the Muslim “Allah” as you would the Christian “God”…?

          • usaeagle1776

            Since this is a WESTERN Christian Judeo nation, that is a rather stupid comment, since they are only 1% of the Population, and such a thing wont happen in any reality any time soon.

          • http://www.stupidatheist.com J. Gravelle

            Again, Hamtramck, MI has already been taken over by both a Muslim majority population AND representative town council.

            They’ve torn down the American Axle plant and built a Muslim prayer center. Non-Muslim residents complain that the government allows Muslim “call-to-prayer ” alarms that are much louder than the Christian church bells.

            You’ve side-stepped the question twice now. When the Hamtramck government begins using tax-dollars to god-fitti up the town square with THEIR preferred interpretation of the Abrahamic deity, will you be equally supportive of their right to do so…?

          • usaeagle1776

            Evidently you cannot READ. I have no problem with MUSLIMS, as long as they abide and assimilate to OUR culture and laws. And that means in the USA, there is no ALLAH on public cars or city govt buildings, only GOD. They have to submit to this nation, not the other way around. Is that clear enough for you…again???

          • http://www.stupidatheist.com J. Gravelle

            Which means you want the government to play favorites where religion is concerned, establishing the promotion of Christianity in the public square and impeding the Muslim faith, does it not…?

          • usaeagle1776

            Wrong again. You just cant get it right can you? This is OUR COUNTRY. THEY CONFORM TO OUR WAY OF LIFE!!! not the other way around you imbecile. You sure do seem to love these MUSLIMS. Should I call you MUSTAFA?

          • http://www.stupidatheist.com J. Gravelle

            Garth, your Ritalin.

            Do you want municipalities to simultaneously allow displays of Christianity and prohibit similar displays of the Muslim faith in the public square?

            If so, you absolutely DO want the government to play favorites…

          • usaeagle1776

            Well CLEATUS, muslims who don’t use “images”, because it is against their religion. You may want to research better.

          • http://www.stupidatheist.com J. Gravelle

            So you’d be okay with the banner of their Shahadatain flying over your local courthouse? After all, according to you it’s not an official Muslim symbol so…

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/9ef2b3df29b0d48687ecd857ed2ba832f091f9803506c703458a694ff5030a62.png

          • Brian Westley

            Evidently you cannot READ. I have no problem with MUSLIMS, as long as they abide and assimilate to OUR culture and laws.

            When they’re the local religious majority, you’ve just handed them the same authority to use the government to push THEIR culture and laws.

          • usaeagle1776

            No. This is the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. We are not a MULSIM Nation. We abide by the US CONSTITUTION in this country, not Sharia law. Immigrants assimilate to OUR CULTURE, and OUR WAY OF LIFE. We do not assimilate to theirs. Get it right.

          • Brian Westley

            No. This is the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. We are not a MULSIM Nation.

            We are not a Christian nation either.

            We have what’s called “religious freedom”.

            We abide by the US CONSTITUTION in this country, not Sharia law.

            And not the ten commandments or the bible, either. Good shot shooting yourself in the foot.

          • usaeagle1776

            “And not the ten commandments or the bible, either. Good shot shooting yourself in the foot.”
            I never said that. Pay attention and quit shooting yourself in your dumba**.

          • Brian Westley

            I never said you said that, idiot. Christianity and Islam are equal under US law.

          • usaeagle1776

            You put in “my” comment insinuating I did. Make it clear from now that it is YOUR Statement from now on boy.

          • Brian Westley

            People who can read already know that.

          • usaeagle1776

            People who cannot put things in context with other’s comments can see that as well.

          • usaeagle1776

            That’s right. IDIOT. I never said otherwise. Again.

          • Brian Westley

            You keep babbling that the US is a Christian nation — now, since you agree that Christianity and Islam are equal under US law, does that mean you also agree that the US is also a Muslim nation?

          • usaeagle1776
          • Brian Westley

            Still waiting for you to proclaim that the US is a white nation, since most US citizens are white.

          • usaeagle1776

            I never said the US was a WHITE nation. What is wrong with you?

          • Brian Westley

            You’re justifying calling the US a Christian nation just because the majority is Christian — so we’re also a white nation using the same reasoning.

          • usaeagle1776

            Christianity is the DOMINANT religion, has been since our birth. does that make you mad that these facts screw up your Christian bigotry and hatred?

          • Brian Westley

            Christianity is the DOMINANT religion, has been since our birth.

            So what? That doesn’t justify having the post office ignore the constitution.

            By the way, using your terminology, the US is a white nation.

          • usaeagle1776

            Are you like on meth right now behind the keyboard or what boy?

          • Brian Westley

            Again, you’re out of arguments. Wait, you never had any.

          • usaeagle1776

            You are out of making sh*t up I never said. Wait, you never could win the debate in the first place.

          • Brian Westley

            No, you keep thinking I said you said something, when you erroneously inferred it.

          • usaeagle1776

            http://www.gallup.com/poll/151760/Christianity-Remains-Dominant-Religion-United-States.aspx Hmm, 95% still consider themselves Christian. bummer for you eh?

          • Brian Westley

            95% still consider themselves Christian.

            You can’t even read. It says “95% of all Americans who have a religious identity are Christians”. It also says “78% of American adults identify with some form of Christian religion”.

            And this is already a few years old. The Christian population has been going down in this country.

            And why do you keep running away from also calling this a white country?

            Addendum: Here’s a more recent Gallup poll:
            http://www.gallup.com/poll/187955/percentage-christians-drifting-down-high.aspx

            Now just 75%.

          • usaeagle1776

            Which hasn’t changed much at all. And yet, we are still identifying as Christian. And you keep pushing this “white Country” narrative is your invention, not mine. Is the population of today still predominatly White? Well, is it boy?

          • Brian Westley

            78% to 75% in just 4 years is quite a lot. A few more years back it was 80%

            And you keep pushing this “white Country” narrative is your invention, not mine

            I’m just using your terminology — majority Christian = “Christian nation”. So majority white = “white nation”.

          • usaeagle1776

            You are the one equating being a Christian is being white. Blacks and other minorities are Christian too. Still hung up on the race card I see.

          • Brian Westley

            You are the one equating being a Christian is being white.

            No, I’m just using your same “reasoning” for proclaiming this is a “Christian nation”. Using your same reasoning, we are also a “white nation”.

          • usaeagle1776

            We are. The polls indicate it. Just because you hate that fact, well..you hide from reality if you want. No loss to anyone else.

          • Brian Westley

            We are. The polls indicate it.

            The polls indicate the US is a white nation using your criterion.

          • usaeagle1776

            We are “predominately” a white nation, being at 73%. Is that troublesome for you? It must be.

          • Brian Westley

            You can’t understand simple concepts. Are you denying we’re a “white nation” using your metric of whatever the majority is?

          • usaeagle1776

            We are 73% white…again…..do you still have problems with that fact?

          • Brian Westley

            So why are you running away from proclaiming the US a “white nation”?

          • usaeagle1776

            We are a Christian Nation, created by Christians. Fact. Deal with it. And we do have “religious freedom.” Never said we didn’t You need to focus and pat attention instead of wandering all over the place making up stuff I didn’t say moron.

          • Brian Westley

            We are a Christian Nation, created by Christians.

            Nope, we’re a nation with religious freedom.

            Fact. Deal with it.

            Rightwing blathering. Too bad the constitution doesn’t mention Christianity or Jesus — there were amendments offered that would have added specifically Christian language to the constitution, but guess what? They were all voted DOWN.

          • usaeagle1776

            No. We are a Christian nation. We weren’t created by atheists. The Constitution was created to keep Govt from establishing a GOVT Religion, hence the reason the Pilgrams, who were CHRISTIAN, came to this country to get away from that very thing from England. moron.

          • Brian Westley

            No, we aren’t a Christian nation. The US has no official religion.

            The pilgrims were not part of the US government, moron. The Puritans outlawed other sects and executed Quakers, is that part of US law?

          • usaeagle1776

            Yes, we are a Christian nation, created by Christians. And AGAIN, I never said the US has an “official religion.” Are you a retard?

          • Brian Westley

            No, we aren’t a Christian nation. Are you willing to say we are also a white nation? The founders were overwhelmingly white.

          • usaeagle1776
          • Brian Westley

            Run out of your silly arguments, eh?

            C’mon, say the US is a white nation, just once.

          • usaeagle1776

            This was NO GOVT when the Pilgrams came ashore you imbecile. My GAWD

          • Brian Westley

            That’s what I already said, idiot. You seem to think the religion of the pilgrims somehow magically makes the US government “Christian”. It doesn’t.

          • usaeagle1776
          • Brian Westley

            Sorry, we still aren’t a Christian nation any more than we’re a white nation.

          • usaeagle1776

            Yes we are. Just because you don’t like the facts, doesn’t make reality disappear to fit your pathetic narrative. http://www.gallup.com/poll/151760/Christianity-Remains-Dominant-Religion-United-States.aspx

          • Brian Westley

            So, you’re saying we’re a white Christian nation? I bet you think your house is a sovereign country, too.

          • usaeagle1776

            Never said that nor implied it. You just cant get over getting owned and slammed can you boy?

          • Brian Westley

            Never said that nor implied it.

            You implied it — since most US citizens are Christian, you insist this makes it a “Christian nation”. Most US citizens are white. Using your logic, that makes it a “white nation” too.

          • usaeagle1776

            It is, it is predominatly Christian. GOOD GAWD you are dense.

          • Brian Westley

            And white. So it’s a white nation, right?

          • usaeagle1776

            The nation is 73% White….that is right. Does that make it a “white” nation to you son? Do you hate white people and Christians too? Like a typical atheist lib?

          • Brian Westley

            The nation is 73% White….that is right. Does that make it a “white” nation to you son?

            I’m saying that makes it a “white nation” in exactly the same sense it’s a “Christian nation”, because that’s YOUR reasoning.

          • usaeagle1776

            Incorrect again. You are the one making that assertion. That is YOUR reasoning.

          • Brian Westley

            No, it’s just using your majoritarian reasoning for race just like you did for religion.

          • usaeagle1776

            No, wrong again. You are the one making the assertion about something I never said or implied. How does on become a religious bigot and an atheist? Must be a sad sack story.

    • Yup

      Jihadists shout that phrase you bring up to kill innocent Americans and other innocents. You sure you want to go THERE?

      • http://www.stupidatheist.com J. Gravelle

        And Americans shout “God bless America” while committing their own crimes*. How is that relevant to whether any religious graffiti should be taxpayer-subsidized…?

        = = =

        ᴰᵃᵛᶦᵈ ᴹᵃᵗʰᵉʷˢ ˢᶜʳᵉᵃᵐᵉᵈ “ᴳᵒᵈ ᵇᶫᵉˢˢ ᴬᵐᵉʳᶦᶜᵃ﹗” ᵇᵉᶠᵒʳᵉ ʰᵘʳᶫᶦᶰᵍ ᵃ ᵇʳᶦᶜᵏ ᵗʰʳᵒᵘᵍʰ ᵗʰᵉ ʷᶦᶰᵈᵒʷ ᵒᶠ ᵗʰᵉ ᴬᶫᵃᵇᵃᵐᵃ ᴹᵘˢᶦᶜ ᴮᵒˣ⋅

        ᶜʰʳᶦˢᵗᵒᵖʰᵉʳ ᴿᵒᶫᶫᶦᶰᵍˢ ˢʰᵒᵘᵗᵉᵈ “ᴳᵒᵈ ᵇᶫᵉˢˢ ᴬᵐᵉʳᶦᶜᵃ﹗” ʷʰᶦᶫᵉ ᵈᵃᶰᶜᶦᶰᵍ ᵗʰᵉ ˢᵗʳᵉᵉᵗ ᶦᶰ ʰᶦˢ ᵘᶰᵈᵉʳʷᵉᵃʳ, ʲᵘˢᵗ ᵖʳᶦᵒʳ ᵗᵒ ʰᶦˢ ᵃʳʳᵉˢᵗ⋅

        ᴬᶜᵗᶦᵛᶦˢᵗ ᴿᵒᵇ ˢʰᵉʳᵐᵃᶰ’ˢ ʰᵒᵘˢᵉ ʷᵃˢ ᵛᵃᶰᵈᵃᶫᶦᶻᵉᵈ, ʷᶦᵗʰ “ᴳᵒᵈ ᵇᶫᵉˢˢ ᵁˢᴬ﹗” ˢᵖʳᵃʸ⁻ᵖᵃᶦᶰᵗᵉᵈ ᵒᶰᵗᵒ ʰᶦˢ ᵖʳᵒᵖᵉʳᵗʸ, ᵃᶰᵈ ʰᶦˢ ¹⁴ ʸᵉᵃʳ⁻ᵒᶫᵈ ᵈᵃᵘᵍʰᵗᵉʳ ʰᵃʳᵃˢˢᵉᵈ ᶦᶰ ˢᶜʰᵒᵒᶫ ᵇʸ ᵃ “ᴳᵒᵈ ᴮᶫᵉˢˢ ᴬᵐᵉʳᶦᶜᵃ﹗” ˢᶰᵉᵉʳᶦᶰᵍ ˢᵉᶰᶦᵒʳ ᶜᶫᵃˢˢᵐᵃᵗᵉ⋅

        ᵀʰᵉʳᵉ, ʷᵉ’ᵛᵉ ˢʰᵃʳᵉᵈ ᶦʳʳᵉᶫᵉᵛᵃᶰᵗ ᵃᶰᵉᶜᵈᵒᵗᵉˢ⋅⋅⋅

        • Yup

          Wow, you sure have that at the ready. I suspect you have an agenda.

          • http://www.stupidatheist.com J. Gravelle

            You’re free to embrace whatever paranoiac notions about me you’d like.

            And to, understandably, continue ducking the question about how your original reply is in any way relevant to the matter at hand:

            Would you, or would you not be equally supportive of an American municipal government god-fitti-ing up the public square in reverence to Allah…?

          • ahab the arab

            Would you, as an atheist, like MUSLIMS, who would KILL you for being one, in control of a city or country?

          • http://www.stupidatheist.com J. Gravelle

            No I would not.

            See how easy that question answering thing is…?

          • ahab the arab

            Yeah, but you always fixate on “Christians.” why is that?

          • http://www.stupidatheist.com J. Gravelle

            Because, in this country, it’s not the Jews trying to hang their commandments on our courthouse walls, the Janeists aren’t trying to garbage up the textbooks in our public schools, and the adherents of the Flying Spaghetti Monster aren’t slaughtering the workers at any women’s healthcare clinics.

            That’s why.

            If Buddhists were god-fitti-ing up the public square with “In Gautama We Trust”, I’d be on their case. And I daresay, so would you.

            And rightly so…

          • ahab the arab

            Well, since we are Christian nation, that would be a given. Have you been a religious bigot and Christian hater all you life? What started that in you? Bad childhood?

          • http://www.stupidatheist.com J. Gravelle

            I am neither a religious bigot nor a Christian hater.

            Do you or do you not want domestic governments playing favorites with religions by allowing Christian displays in the public square and, at the same time, outlawing those of the Muslims…?

          • ahab the arab

            Well, MUSLIMS don’t put out “displays” concerning their religion. Havent you seen them killing people when they make drawings of Mohammy?

          • http://www.stupidatheist.com J. Gravelle

            “MUSLIMS don’t put out ‘displays’ concerning their religion.”

            While Islam has no official symbolism, both the Shahadatain and the Star-and-Crescent are routinely displayed by the faithful.

            Are we to imagine you’d be okay with either of those flying over your local courthouse…?

            = = =

            “Havent [sic] you seen them killing people when they make drawings…?”

            Yes. In Denmark. A practice I’m on record as abhorring, for what it’s worth.

            Do you or do you not want domestic governments playing favorites with
            religions by allowing Christian displays in the public square and, at
            the same time, outlawing those of the Muslims…?

          • ahab the arab

            Do you see any objects of pictures of Mohammy or that of Allah in their mosques? Do you see any imagery of the sort like other religions on display? No…no you don’t.

          • http://www.stupidatheist.com J. Gravelle

            Nor do I see them plastering the walls of the Pittsburg Kansas Post Office with الله أكبر which again, is why we’re currently focused on Christian activists.

            But if the Muslims DID want ‘Allahu Akhbar’ posted in government buildings, you’d have no problem with that…?

          • ahab the arab

            This is the USA, not a MUSLIM Nation. So yeah, I would have a problem with that. They can go back to their flea bitten nation and do that there.

          • http://www.stupidatheist.com J. Gravelle

            So you want the government to establish sanctions against Islam in the public square and establish that Christianity can be endorsed in those same public venues…?

          • Yup

            I saw the post you deleted. You provided a link to an atheist website. Yet you attempt to poo-poo my accurate assessment that you are an atheist.

            Yet, you STILL attempt to make a case for Muslims as you attack Christians.

            Duly noted.

          • http://www.stupidatheist.com J. Gravelle

            I deleted nothing. If the moderator killed a post for having an external link, I apologize for the breach of protocol. And I make no bones about not being an atheist.

            You can Google “Please Ask Your God Not To Make You Kill Me” you’ll see the piece I offered to counter your baseless assertion that I’m not critical of Muslims.

            I’ll keep asking if only because I love watching you run and hide from the question:

            “Would you, or would you not be equally supportive of an American
            municipal government god-fitti-ing up the public square in reverence to
            Allah…?”

    • Yup

      After reviewing your history of posts, it appears you’re an atheist, yet you defend Muslims and attack Christians.

      Duly noted.

      • http://www.stupidatheist.com J. Gravelle

        Untrue. I’d be just as hacked off about “In Allah We Trust” as “In God We Trust”. Because I’m not a hypocrite.

        And I routinely lament BOTH the apostates who are beheaded by Muslims as well as women’s healthcare workers who are slaughtered by Christians. Because I hold no double-standard where religious atrocities are involved, evidenced by my “Please Ask Your God Not To Make You Kill Me” article here:

        http://www.stupidatheist.com/2015/11/17/please-ask-your-god-not-to-make-you-kill-me/

        AND I don’t run from people’s questions, either. Pity you don’t possess the courage of your convictions to likewise engage in the discussion and respond to the hypothetical scenario I’d posed, my anonymous friend…

      • Patrick Chester

        It’s safer to attack Christians.

        Now let the fool continue virtue signaling.

      • Brian Westley

        You don’t understand sarcasm, do you?

  • ahab the arab

    Atheists wants everyone to be as miserable as they are. Pathetic.

    • Nullifidian

      If reading about officials taking down a sign in a post office building makes you miserable, then perhaps you should see a psychologist, because clearly your emotions aren’t on a very even keel already.

      • ahab the arab

        No, but having them there made you atheists miserable didn’t it?

        • Nullifidian

          No, it didn’t.

          Are there any other obvious answers I can help you with?

          • ahab the arab

            So, now that is done, does it make you feel safer when you buy a stamp?

          • Nullifidian

            No, it doesn’t, because establishment clause litigation doesn’t have anything to do with personal safety (except, perhaps, in those cases where loving Christians send in death threats or do worse, like actually burning down people’s homes, for complaining about establishment clause violations).

          • ahab the arab

            Really? You aren’t safe? LOL Where are these Christians burning down homes?

          • Nullifidian

            Really? You aren’t safe?

            Are you really so obtuse that you don’t understand the distinction between irrelevant to safety and unsafe?

            LOL Where are these Christians burning down homes?

            Little Axe, Oklahoma. The local theocrats got pissed off because a local mother named Joann Bell (who was herself a Christian, of the Church of the Nazarene) objected to their practice of using school buses to take public school students to a fundamentalist Baptist meeting before class and occasionally letting it spill over into class time, and forcing the students who didn’t want to be part of the religious meeting to wait outside in the cold. So they did the usual thing of mailing death threats to the dissenter (on one occasion Bell was mailed her own obituary), but someone decided to up the ante and make that obituary a reality by firebombing the Bells’ house.

            That’s the most vivid case I know, but even in ordinary establishment clause litigation death threats and vandalism are commonplace, going back to Ellery Schempp and Vashti McCollum (of Abington School District v. Schempp and McCollum v. Board of Education fame). And in a more recent case, Tammy Kitzmiller received death threats against herself and her daughter, and Judge John E. Jones III had to seek personal protection after ruling in favor of Kitzmiller et al.

            Now, are you done posing stupid questions to me?

          • ahab the arab

            Hmm, so these infrequent and random acts somehow THREATEN you and all atheists all over the world? Hmm oookkkaayyyyy. I haven’t seen any Christians on a world wide JIHAD, killing atheists, or cartoonists. Hmmm

          • Nullifidian

            Hmm, so these infrequent and random acts somehow THREATEN you and all atheists all over the world?

            Are you trying to be a moron or does it just come naturally?

            I haven’t seen any Christians on a world wide JIHAD, killing atheists, or cartoonists. Hmmm

            So? What does what you haven’t seen have to do with reality?

            I haven’t seen you making sense, but that doesn’t mean I’ve concluded that it’s impossible, much as I’m tempted to do so.

          • ahab the arab

            You gave a couple examples of incidents as if those were “Threats” to you. How laughable. LOLOL

          • Nullifidian

            You gave a couple examples of incidents as if those were “Threats” to you.

            Wrong.

            Lying to me about what I have said is not a tactic that’s likely to win through. Even if I were someone who couldn’t remember what he wrote and why from one comment to the next, the record is right there in black-and-white for anyone to consult. Nowhere in this conversation did I ever claim to feel threatened by anything. That was your ludicrous straw man entirely. If you’re going to have discussions with people, then at a minimum you ought to keep straight what they’re saying from your own misrepresentations of it.

  • David Bowman

    Good to see that town rebuke those ahole atheist jerks.

    • Ann Kah

      Helluva “rebuke”, isn’t it, by obeying the law? Put up private-religion signs on private property, wash, rinse, and repeat, all day long. But they don’t belong on public governmental buildings. The post office has to serve atheists (or Jews, or Muslims, or baptists or Catholics or The Church of Jesus Christ Shoeless) who need to buy a stamp or pick up a package — because the post office is a PUBLIC place.

      • David Bowman

        Oh yeah, you atheists taking something down that didn’t affect you one bit. Great job.

  • Amy

    This article should be re-named “Atheists force small town to up hold the constitution.”

  • Patrick Chester

    A sign is not establishing a state religion even if it’s on a government building. It’s free expression of religion.

    • Amy

      The state doesn’t get “free expression of religion.” If you want a God Bless America sign than put it on your lawn.

      • Patrick Chester

        The people do get it, and that includes expressing it by putting signs in a building, be it a post office or whatever.

        HTH, HAND.

        • Amy

          Great, so let the people place it on their own private property. If you want religious icons in government go to a different country.

          • Patrick Chester

            No.

          • Amy

            Then act like an American.

          • Patrick Chester

            I am.

          • Amy

            Good, enjoy your privately owned house and computer. Give yourself a big ole cross background and screensaver. Notice how the sign got removed? Public private doesn’t get to have “God Bless America” or “No Gods Bless America.”  You and me get to wait the same damn day and a half at the DMV as equals.

          • Patrick Chester

            Oh so now it’s “public” private? So a sign on someone’s lawn is going to be in danger if an insecure atheist wanders over and is Triggered by the Awful Words?

            With the likes of you, I suspect it will only be a matter of time before even private items are deemed Offensive and must be repressed. For “neutrality” or whatever other excuse you can come up with.

          • Amy

            Put up a million billion signs on your lawn. Play a game and see how much money you can waste! I could not care less what you do on your own land. I’m ‘triggered’ by special snowflakes like you who think you’re above other citizens.

            So basically you end with conspiracy theories and crying. You can “offend” me all day long and to yours hearts content. I’d die so you could practice your stupid religion and you still don’t get to put a ‘God’ on public property.

    • https://disqus.com/home/channel/atheismftw/ Ian Cooper

      No, it’s not. That’s why it had to be removed.

    • EIR

      Great! So you’d fully support this if the sign said: There is no God but Allah!

      Right? That’s OK because it’s not “establishing” a religion but a free expression protected in our Constitution, correct?

      • Patrick Chester

        Wow, you guys seem to be sharing the same cheat sheet for fallacies. Trying to pick something you think the people you hate will screech at and change their minds on.

        How cute.

        • Nullifidian

          Actually, what they’re doing is pointing out that secularism applies across the board and prevents any religion from being specially privileged. Your position is similar to that of the pigs in Animal Farm: all religions are equal, but mine is more equal than any other.

          • Patrick Chester

            Hm. That’s a nice bit of projection. Promoting atheism over other faiths and pretending it’s for “secularism” while claiming it’s the icky other people you dislike who are holding a faith as “more equal” than the other.

            Odd, I don’t seem to be holding agnosticism as more equal than others. Though if I did I’d probably put a bit “ARE YOU SURE?!” sign over the “God Bless America” sign, since I’m a bit of a smartass.

          • Nullifidian

            Hm. That’s a nice bit of projection. Promoting atheism over other faiths and pretending it’s for “secularism” while claiming it’s the icky other people you dislike who are holding a faith as “more equal” than the other.

            The only thing wrong with this analysis is that it’s completely false. Other than that….

            First, atheism isn’t a “faith”. Second, establishing atheism and establishing secularism are not the same thing. Third, taking out a sign reading “God Bless America” does not endorse atheism, but rather secularism. Fourth, I am not interested in having the government endorsing atheism in the way that so many wannabe theocrats in the U. S. want their religion endorsed, so your entire claim of projection falls to the ground.

    • The_Wretched

      Coming soon to a post office near you, “I LOVE SATAN” signs.

      • Patrick Chester

        Or quotes from the Buddha, or something Hindu or Confucian.

        I wonder why you fools never mention that as a possibility?

        Answer: You really don’t care, you’re just picking something you think the people who disagree with you will dislike so you can make a “tu quoque” cry.

        • The_Wretched

          I’m not in the “tu quoque”camp.

          Why do you all have to call us ‘fools’ endlessly? Are you capable of replying and not throwing in a gratuitous insult*? That bible part is actually about apostasy and not atheism. Should I now insult you Patrick directly for the sake of parallelism?

          Yes, the point is to illustrate to people with mental blinders what the exact problem is with religious messaging on governmental spaces. “Satan messages” make the point better than a mild quote.

          *I have an ongoing protest where I don’t use caps for christian and related words due to this incessant name calling and other slurs on atheists. Y’all stop the knee-jerking insults for a week all I’ll quit it too. I’ve been doing this little test for a decade now and not a week goes by that I don’t see some one in the public including name calling or slurs about atheists that have nothing to do with the underlying issue.

          • Patrick Chester

            Because you act like fools by coming up with these silly “let’s pick some religious faith like Satanism and see if we can get the icky Christians to object” ploys and pretending it’s some clever strategem. Hint: It’s not.

            Oh and you run around acting like jerks and somehow expect people to take it. That’s a foolish expectation.

            *reads protest* *yawns*
            Whatever.

          • The_Wretched

            nearly every political seat and you are the ones ‘taking it’? Almost all the power and you’re still complaining?

          • Patrick Chester

            I wasn’t aware that agnosticism had overtaken all other faiths (muahahaha–POWER! ULTIMATE POWA-*cough*)

            Er, sorry. You must have it stuck in your tiny overheated little head that since I’m dissing you then I must be a Christian. Too bad: I’m not.

            You also have the charming notion that you it’s okay to be an ass to people if you come up with a lame excuse like, claiming the group you hate “has all the power” and so on.

  • mommynator

    Good. There’s more than one way to skin a cat.

  • jeffunde

    “The FFRF request was made on behalf of an unnamed Pittsburg resident.” So you need to change atheists to atheist. One person butt hurt.

  • OpenTheDoor

    Atheists have their own religion and his name is Lord Dark Matter.
    Zealots in the worst way.
    http://www.gocomics.com/bloom-county/2016/02/03

    • Patrick Chester

      Meh. Dark matter may be something real, or it might be this era’s phlogiston or aether.

    • Nullifidian

      Of course. That’s atheism in a nutshell, and we know it because we read it in a cartoon strip, which is the infallible source on all matters pertaining to science and philosophy of religion!

      Honestly—and I do mean this sincerely—I’d advise that you delete your own post because it’s just an embarrassment to you.

      • OpenTheDoor

        Hey Zeus, you wing nut atheist have no farking sense of humour.
        Get over yourselves, you’re the mbareassmint.
        Atheism means never feeling shame for being jerks.
        Why does it bother you so much?
        BTW, I am an atheist, just not the religious type.

        • Nullifidian

          Hey Zeus, you wing nut atheist have no farking sense of humour.

          I have a sense of humor for those things that are actually funny. Boccaccio is funny. Rabelais is funny. Erasmus is funny. Fielding is funny. Twain is funny. Hašek is funny. Thurber is funny. Wodehouse is funny. The strip you linked to is merely dismal. There is no humor in it unless I’m supposed to laugh at Berkeley Breathed for his stupidity. But I lack the requisite cruelty to enjoy laughing at the stupidity of real people.

          Atheism means never feeling shame for being jerks.

          No, atheism means not believing in the existence of gods.

          Why does it bother you so much?

          That cartoon? Because it’s ignorant. Ignorance always bothers me. Berkeley Breathed is both uninformed about atheists and he’s uninformed about physics. And so are you by endorsing it and claiming that “Atheists have their own religion and his name is Lord Dark Matter.”

          Would you like me to tell you all the ways in which you’re wrong? Probably not, but I will anyway.

          First off, dark matter is only a feature of some cosmological models. Models such as modified gravity (MOG), modified Newtonian dynamics (MOND), and tensor-vector-scalar gravity (TeVeS) do not incorporate dark matter into their model.

          So why does dark matter persist in cosmology? Simple: the lambda cold dark matter (ΛCDM) model fits the data and the other models don’t at the largest scale possible: that of the universe itself. What we have in ΛCDM is a useful model that makes predictions which are fit by the best available data we have. Just because we don’t actually have a cup of dark matter in our hands right now is no more to the point than the fact that we didn’t have evidence of neutrinos until 1959 meant that Wolfgang Pauli was being a pseudoscientist by proposing them as early as 1930. The nature of models in science is that they give us things to look for; they don’t just explain what we’ve already discovered.

          If you or Berkeley Breathed are uncomfortable with ΛCDM then either you or he or both of you (I’d love to see that coauthored paper!) are perfectly at liberty to propose cosmological models that don’t require dark matter.

          Finally, as the existence of alternatives to dark matter that don’t invoke “goddidit” as an explanation shows clearly that acceptance of dark matter cosmologies is not a requisite to being an atheist. In fact, dark matter is entirely irrelevant to atheism as a little bit of thought for two seconds put together would show you.

          BTW, I am an atheist, just not the religious type.

          If you’re going to lie to me, at least try to make your lies less easy to spot. Anybody who says “Atheists have their own religion and his name is Lord Dark Matter” is not someone who knows anything about atheism, and if you don’t know anything about atheism then how can you possibly be one?

          • OpenTheDoor

            ROFLMAO, the reply writes it’s self, have a nice half life.

          • Nullifidian

            Then maybe you should have let the reply write itself. It might have come up with something more intelligent without your input.

          • OpenTheDoor

            Is there room for a king size TV in my new room inside your tiny head?

          • Nullifidian

            Case in point.

          • OpenTheDoor

            I would like to hang around and have a battle of wits but I make it a point to never fight with an unarmed person.

          • Nullifidian

            So you’re safe from self-injury, then? Good to know.

          • OpenTheDoor

            Does your husband know you keep flirting with me?

          • Nullifidian

            Yawn.

            What do you think you’re accomplishing here? You’re not impressing me as intelligent. In fact, you’re coming off as comically desperate. You can’t make a coherent point, and you can’t come up with a decent rebuttal, so you’re trying to run out the clock by being publicly stupid and vacuous until I get bored and go away. How can you possibly think that this scenario will end up with you looking good?

          • OpenTheDoor

            I’ll take that as you have no friends.

          • Nullifidian

            And I’ll take that as your concession that my assessment of your behavior was completely correct. Thank you very much.

  • Nullifidian

    So, basically, an unconstitutional endorsement of religion was removed from public grounds, and replaced with perfectly constitutional expressions of individual belief.

    Speaking as an atheist, that’s fine by me.

    The problem with these sorts of theocratic Christians is that they utterly fail to get the point. The point is to make the government live up to its responsibilities under the Establishment Clause, not to police all expressions of religious belief. As far as your private beliefs go, none of us care. So they wasted their money making up signs for an utterly futile gesture of defiance.

    But you’re right: it did lift my spirits; it gave me my best laugh of the day so far.

  • Pithecanthropus

    Go ahead, put up all the pro-God signs you want to in your own yard, absolutely no one is trying to stop you. Just leave them off of public property.

  • ElRay

    Y’ALL don’t get it. Nobody cares if private citizens profess their mythology on private or church property. The problem arose because a government agency endorsed/promoted one mythology over all others.

    How would y’all feel if there was an “Allah Bless America” banner? What about a Jewish banner? Or a Hindu banner? Or Sikh, Jain, Buddhist, Scientologist, FSM, Heathen (original Norse gods), Hellenic (original Greek gods), B’Nai B’Rith, etc. banner? Would you be happy with all of those on the Post Office?

  • Copyleft

    Christians called out for violating the law, respond by flagrantly obeying the law. This is somehow called a ‘win.’ I wonder how many of them are also Trump supporters, with this level of intellect…?

  • http://myeckblog.blogspot.com/ myeck waters

    The Post Office HAD to remove the banner, as it violated the separation of church & state. That’s all the atheist group wanted.

    NO ONE CARES if private citizens, businesses and churches want to put up banners expressing their faith. More power to them. They certainly aren’t teaching those atheists anything.

  • SamuelInez

    Sorry everyone but this isn’t about winning or revenge. The post office is a government building. The Constitution clearly states “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion” meaning the government cannot endorse one religion to represent itself. You can put a million flags on your yard or hang Jesus high on a cross, no one cares, that is your 1st amendment rights. but you can’t have one religion either it be Christianity or any other religion representing our country. If it said God bless Allah you would be acting much differently. And if Christians want to use this as revenge its rather pointless because they have always had the right to post flags, crosses, etc on their property, also the government can’t endorse itself or enforce itself in a church or tell a church who they can worship or how they can worship.

  • EdmondWherever

    It’s not the banner or its contents that was a problem. It was the fact that it was a religious message being promoted by a government office. But private yards is exactly where signs like this belong. This was a much better solution, and it should have been that way from the start.

  • pauleky

    This is hilarious. You didn’t “get back” at the atheists. You only did what you should have done in the first place. Stupid people are bad enough. Tack on religion and it’s outright scary.

  • Keith Babberney

    Excellent! Next, they should really stick it to the cops by driving through speed traps at the speed limit.

  • Robert Bishop

    Soooo…..the response was to put up signs on private property? Great! That’s what we wanted in the first place. Thank you. You do what you want with your own property. I think all of your yards should have at least two signs. That’ll sure show us!

    You seem to be under the delusion that we are against you believing in god. We aren’t. We don’t give 2 flying shits. We just don’t want it shoved into tax funded property, or in our government. Paint your personal
    houses to look like the face of Jesus, and see how few shits we give. I firmly support your right to put up all the religious iconography your yard can hold.

  • Hawk

    As an atheist, let me respond by saying this: Great! That’s all we wanted! Displaying religious messages on private property is all part of Freedom of Speech and Freedom of Religion. What can’t be done, however, is have the government (such as the Post Office) endorse religion. So, enjoy the signs! They don’t offend atheists one bit. It’s the government endorsement of religion that was the problem. Enjoy your day!

  • wineskin

    Have they taken In God We Trust off the currency yet? I must’ve missed that.

    • The_Wretched

      Do you mean to say that “IGWT” on the money means that christianity is the State religion?

      • wineskin

        I’m just assuming it’s in the process of being removed. Seems offensive, people hating God and all…

  • MrmdP

    You all come off sounding so ignorant of our country’s founding and our Constitution. Atheists don’t give a shit about you putting signs about gods, in your yards. That’s where they belong, on your private property. Not on or in our secular governments institutions or the commons. No matter what you choose to believe, we were not a nation founded on gods or religions. Our founders made it implicitly clear that you were perfectly welcomed to believe and worship whatever gods or belief systems that you wanted to, but your were NOT allowed to impose those gods or beliefs on others or in the government sphere. Many of our founders were Deists and rejected organized religion.

    “The Government of the United States of America is NOT, IN ANY SENSE, founded on the Christian religion.” ~ President John Adams

  • Makoto

    I sure hope that Riley Miller figures out that a) they can make their own sign if they want, and b) it’s perfectly fine with everyone if they post it on their own private property, it only becomes an issue when it’s on a gov’t building/property. I mean, other than potentially being ugly/tacky or whatever, but that’s just an offense against taste, not the law.

    Why be on a waiting list? Just make your own and post it if you want!

  • hd78109

    Someone should remind these assholes that the USPS in NOT an American government owned business! It is a quasi government operation. It is a non profit business with overlords that call themselves a board of governors and for that reason and Ben Franklins constitutional appendage we still have a post office

  • tempprofile

    Headline -Government pollutes public waterways with toxic materials Government is forced to stop illegal polluting activity. Local residents upset with this and are incredibly happy to pollute their own personal drinking water. Take that atheists!

  • sox83cubs84

    Christians 1, Atheists 0.

    • The_Wretched

      Sign Makers and Fireworks makers 1, Petulant xtians 0

      • ♥ “Kandy” ♥ ✞ ♥ “Sukariya” ♥

        Even though the sign makers got the one money. The Christians still got something from it.For both sing makers and Christians it was a win win. And no one was hurt.

        • The_Wretched

          “And no one was hurt.”

          Why would someone be hurt? The only potential hurt i’m seeing is from some christians calling atheist ‘vermin’ and other dehumanizing speech.

          • OpenTheDoor

            This is funny, in a satirical sort of way.

          • ♥ “Kandy” ♥ ✞ ♥ “Sukariya” ♥

            Hmm No Christians I know would call Atheist vermin or other dehumanizing speech. I guess in my town we are kind too each other. Our Atheist do not put down nor hate our Christians. And the other way around as well.I’m sorry your town must be a horrible place to live. I’ll keep you in my Prayers.

          • The_Wretched

            I’m not talking about a town, I’m saying you should read the comments in this comment section, score each for hate and then determine if the comment was from an atheist or christian.

            As an atheist, I don’t see any willingness on the part of christians to call out or stop their bretherin from behaving horribly.

          • ♥ “Kandy” ♥ ✞ ♥ “Sukariya” ♥

            I am not writing hate speech to any one. I am not dehumanizing you or anyone. I was not even being hateful to the ones forcing them to remove the sign. It seems through your hate for Christians you are coming against me. Even though I am not trying to be hateful to any one 🙁 🙁
            I am sorry for the ones who have hurt you. But please remember it was not me. I will Pray that God will bring healing to you for all that was done to you by Christians. Not all Christians are bad. Some of us really care about all Humanity.

          • The_Wretched

            Asking you to read the comments of other christians is coming against you?

          • ♥ “Kandy” ♥ ✞ ♥ “Sukariya” ♥

            Have a great night 🙂

        • OpenTheDoor

          “For both sing makers and Christians it was a win win. And no one was hurt.”
          Irving Berlin appreciates your sentiments.

  • Ann Kah

    That’s what’s supposed to happen. Put all the signs you like on your own property (within whatever anti-littering regulations the town has). But public governmental places – nope. It isn’t the “Christian Post Office”, it’s there for everyone. What’s so hard to understand about that?

  • Gregor Eisenhorn

    Quite a good laugh, sad that no one in the entire town seemed to get the point, or to realize that this supposedly christian town was so set on “getting back” at the individual whom was upset at the violation of the constitution. If someone get’s pulled over by the police, did they “get back at” the cop by paying their ticket? Same logic here, or lack thereof. Makes it seems way less christian when people are that vindictive and it sure isn’t American to establish religious laws governing the land. If this town is so set on a theocracy they should head to the middle east, ISIS always needs more recruits and they also want to establish laws based on religion. And nobody noticed the firework guy is taking advantage of all of them.

    • OpenTheDoor

      Bet you take yoga, you couldn’t stretch that much if you didn’t.

  • Dave

    I wonder how many homeless people they could have fed for the cost of all those banners?

    • wineskin

      Too bad it had to come to that.

    • muslimdog

      Or how many homeless people those atheists could have fed instead of paying for lawyers on this nonsense.

      • Brian Westley

        They wrote a letter. And they were right.

        • major matt mason

          More like atheists nationwide spending all that money on lawyers on stuff like this instead of feeding the homeless, something that is real.

          • Brian Westley

            Don’t worry, when they win they usually are awarded lawyer’s fees.

            And, of course, it’s just a cop-out to say atheists shouldn’t fight for government neutrality on religion and instead spend it on Generic Good Deed #4728.

          • Johnny Mustafa

            You poor little atheists….those signs must be so painful for you. LOL

          • Brian Westley

            Getting that sign removed from the post office seems to have upset a lot of delicate Christians who need the government to prop up their delusions.

          • HILDEBEAST!

            And yet for all the years those signs were there, how did that affect you before they came down? Did you lose your rights all those years before? No….nothing happened. Pathetic.

          • Brian Westley

            And yet for all the years those signs were there, how did that affect you before they came down?

            The same as after it came down. So why are people whining about it being taken down?

          • Discovery

            You are the ones who complained about it in the first place.

          • Brian Westley

            Yeah, because it’s unconstitutional. What’s bad about making the government follow the constitution?

          • demdestroyer

            And if they stayed there? How would that affect your life in reality?

          • Brian Westley

            I can’t predict the future, but allowing the government to ignore the constitution isn’t a good idea in the long run.

          • cornballbrother

            But did those signs affect your life? Did you lose your job, or lose you car?

          • Brian Westley

            Like I said, allowing the government to ignore the constitution is not a good idea. People use “in god we trust” on money to argue that atheists don’t have the same rights as theists.

          • cornballbrother

            Well, most are believers, like the Founders. Guess you atheists just gonna have to live with in GOD WE TRUST on those coins.

          • Brian Westley

            It’s actually an example of believers dishonestly claiming the phrase isn’t religious — it reminds me of Peter denying Jesus three times.

          • cornballbrother

            Hmm, maybe you should just use a debit or credit card then☻

          • Brian Westley

            It’s easy enough to black out.

          • cornballbrother

            Well, you better get a lot of markers….LOL

          • Brian Westley

            For what?

          • demdestroyer

            Sort of like the Obama Administration?

          • Brian Westley

            Feel free to stop any unconstitutional acts you can find.

          • demdestroyer

            Well, if wont be simple things like the Post Offices.

          • Brian Westley

            I suspect it won’t be anything.

          • Discovery

            And did pulling that out of the post office enhance your atheistic life?

          • Brian Westley

            Slightly, yes. I always prefer it when the government actually follows the constitution instead of ignoring it.

          • Discovery

            Oh I see. So the Post office is much safer place for religious bigot atheists now?

          • Brian Westley

            It’s a much better place now that they’re actually following the constitution instead of violating it.

          • Discovery

            Right, the world is so much safer now. LOL

          • Brian Westley

            Only slightly. But putting religious bigots in their place is kind of satisfying.

          • HILDEBEAST!

            But the only ones who wanted it down were you atheists. And of course to prove you hatred of Christians and to extort your religious bigotry.

          • Brian Westley

            You dislike it when the constitution is followed? Not surprising.

          • HILDEBEAST!

            Hmm, yeah those signs really were causing massive societal upheaval weren’t they?

          • Brian Westley

            Yep, they were. Look at all the frothing at the mouth you’re doing.

          • HILDEBEAST!

            Well, no frothing, but I if you can see me from writing comments, you should be on the DISCOVERY channel…you could be one rich, religious bigot atheist!!

          • Brian Westley

            That’s the frothing I was referring to.

          • Johnny Mustafa

            Getting that sign removed from the post office by atheists that has been there for years that hurt no one, was a BS move by lowlife atheists who are religious bigots in the first place.

          • Brian Westley

            I see you’re all upset about it. Too bad for you, eh?

          • Johnny Mustafa

            No more than you atheists got upset and had it taken down. Hmm

          • Brian Westley

            And your point is…

          • major matt mason

            Atheists are lonely mad and angry bums. They just like to stir sh*t up.

          • Brian Westley

            Says a lonely mad and angry bum who has nothing better to do but whine about other people.

          • major matt mason

            You mean like all you atheists???

          • Brian Westley

            “I know you are, but what am I?”

        • muslimdog

          No, they were wrong.

          • Brian Westley

            The post office took down the sign. Real news sites that don’t slant the news also had this:

            “According to postal policy local post offices aren’t allowed to put up non-governmental displays or notices on postal property unless they are approved by U.S. Postal Service beforehand.”

          • Brian Westley

            Why was the sign removed, then?

          • muslimdog

            Because they were cowards. People are too wussified to tell you crack heads to buzz of and go back to your miserable lives.

          • Brian Westley

            No, they removed it because postal regulations say that signs have to be approved, and this one wasn’t.

          • muslimdog

            Hmm, I wonder how that will affect Civilization with your victory over evil Christians?

          • Brian Westley

            It will result in much whining like yours.

      • Dave

        So fighting for your legal rights is nonsense? Remember that next time someone has to bake a cake for a wedding and you all are falsely crying persecution.

        Incidentally, the organization that brought this issue forward, the FFRF is one of the highest rated and most transparent charities in the country.

        • muslimdog

          Well, that cake nonsense is just that…and for PR gain. And just how did that flag improve anyones lives? Total BS.

    • moehammy

      Christians give BILLIONS to the needy, more than atheists I dare say.

      • Dave

        Atheists make up 3% of the american population. Christians make up 70%. Each atheist could give more than 20 times more than any one christian and they would still not generate as much in total. And I hope you aren’t counting the collection plate as part of that. Helping televangelists buy some new jet to go visit their mistresses does notcount as charity in my book.

        • demdestroyer

          Christians are the most generous group on Earth, and no ahole atheists can match them. LOL what a joke.

        • moehammy

          Right, new jets. And yet Christians give by the BILLIONS all over the world. Terrible people.

  • Shaftoe Qwghlm

    So the town got the god stuff off of a public building and back on private property? That is a great story! Another victory for the FFRF!

    • Kevin

      Agreed. Individuals are free to post whatever they like on their own property, and more power to them. But a government building? Not so much.

  • BuddyEdgewood

    Hope ya’ll feel better about yourselves, giving each other high-5’s and such, all warm and fuzzy on the inside. New flash: Nobody (including atheists) cares what you do on your own property. Quote from FFRF: “Individuals are welcome to express their religious beliefs, certainly on
    their own property. The issue here was never about people bringing up
    God’s name. It was always about government promotion of
    religion. If everyone in the town wanted to put up a flag or a
    year-round Nativity scene on their front lawns, no big deal. Hell, they
    could act out the crucifixion of Jesus every night before sundown and
    FFRF wouldn’t blink.”

  • Mario Strada

    Indeed, my spirits are lifted. According to the latest news on this matter, the sign is down from the post office and residents have instead posted a number of similar signs on their own property.
    That lifts my spirit because it shows that personal religious expression is indeed one of the freedoms we enjoy. That sign belongs on private property, and that’s where it is now.
    That is exactly the way things should work.

    ne thing that many in the commentariat here seem to forget is that constitutional protections are there for the benefit of all of us. Imagine if you lived in Dearborn Michigan, where Muslim residents represent a sizable part of the community.

    Would it be OK to see “Allah is great and Mohammed is is prophet” on a banner over the post office? Something tells me most of those that wanted to keep this sign over the post office would be less than thrilled. Some would be less than thrilled to see that sign on private property (this is aside from the fact that Muslims do not erect signs like that).

    Also, let me clarify another point. No one is “offended” by a sign saying “God Bless America”. Really, what would be the reason?

    Legally though, if you erect a sign religious in nature, what would prevent another religion from erecting their own sign? What if the local Wiccans wanted some spell to display over the post office?
    I know that Christians have a hard time recognizing other religions, but they do exist and under the law they are entitled to equal rights and equal treatment. Do we really want our government institutions to become a bulletin board for every faith out there?

    The only reasonable thing to do is to display whatever sign you may wish to see on private property. That is a right no one is ever going to get offended over, or if they do, tough luck.

    If the town now has hundreds of identical signs all over, that’s not a slap in the face of the secularists, it’s a small victory for our constitution and for the freedom of expression of each individual in the town.
    Secularism is how we live and work together respecting each individual beliefs and faith.

  • Oliver199

    Atheists don’t care what kind of signs people put on their own property. They only care about the religious one on public property, which is supposed to represent the views of everyone.
    It’s amusing “Jake’s Fireworks” is exploiting a contrived outrage for free advertising.

  • Amor DeCosmos

    Atheists and Christians both win here! That’s what’s great about the USA. You are free to put any banner you like on your own private property and it is illegal for government to endorse a religion. The atheists got the illegal sign removed from the government building and the Christians got to show off their devotion, for they love to pray standing in the churches and on the street corners to be seen by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full. (Matthew 6:5)

  • ronald reagan

    Good to see Americans overcoming that BS from those lousy, miserable atheists.

    • Mario Strada

      If by “overcoming” you mean doing what atheist and secularist wanted in the first place, then maybe yes.

      No one has an objection to the sign displayed on your backyard. That’s the entire point. No one is offended that the same sign is now on several hundred private dwellings. That was exactly the outcome secularists wanted.

      It’s really not a difficult concept: as long as you follow code, you can erect any religious shrine, banner, temple, etc. as you like on your own property.
      You cannot do that on any public property.

      We are thrilled with the outcome. Really.
      Would you have been happy if an atheist postmaster erected a sign saying “God doesn’t exist”?
      My guess is not. Luckily for you and everyone else, the law prevents that kind of display unless it is part of an approved “free speech” area where every opinion is allowed.

      It’s not rocket surgery.

      • ronald reagan

        Right, because the signs have really OPPRESSED you eh? Taken you hostage, affected your life in reality? NO? I didn’t think so.

        • Brian Westley

          Taking it down doesn’t oppress anyone either.
          Since neither action oppresses anyone, I’ll go with the one that follows the constitution and takes the sign down.

          • ronald reagan

            No, it was put up because of the beliefs of the majority. And nothing happened for decades until scum like you come along, where these things have had a ZERO effect on your pathetic lives. The real reason is of course, you hatred of people who have faith. Naturally.

          • Brian Westley

            No, it was put up because of the beliefs of the majority.
            And the constitution doesn’t allow the religious beliefs of the majority to misuse the government to promote their religion.
            Nice of you to shoot yourself in the foot for me.

          • Brian Westley

            No, it was put up because of the beliefs of the majority.

            And the constitution doesn’t allow the religious beliefs of the majority to misuse the government to promote their religion.

          • ronald reagan

            Misuse? Yeah, those poor postal carriers….terrible.

          • Brian Westley

            You mean those poor people who aren’t postal carriers — I notice you don’t care that they don’t get to put signs up on the post office.

          • ronald reagan

            yeah, a postal carrier having to see a Flag, or the Ten Commandments in the Post Office….HORRIBLE!!

          • Brian Westley

            This was about a “god bless America” banner. Do keep up.

    • manifest destiny

      Agreed.

    • JPT

      It isn’t only atheists who recognize the need to maintain secular government.

      • LibsLuvMuslims

        You mean when the Congressional Chaplain says morning prayers every morning before the start of the day??!! UH OH!11

        • Brian Westley

          The chaplain that Madison said was prohibited by the first amendment?

          • Johnny Mustafa

            The Congressional Chaplain LIBSLUVMUSLIMS said is employed by the Congress. He says morning prayers in the Congress before each session.

          • Brian Westley

            Yes, that’s the position Madison (who wrote the first amendment) said was prohibited by the first amendment.

          • Johnny Mustafa

            What did MADISON say about Chaplains? Source and link please.

          • Brian Westley

            Google not working in your area?

            http://press-pubs.uchicago.edu/founders/documents/amendI_religions64.html

            Is the appointment of Chaplains to the two Houses of Congress consistent with the Constitution, and with the pure principle of religious freedom?

            In strictness the answer on both points must be in the negative. The Constitution of the U. S. forbids everything like an establishment of a national religion. The law appointing Chaplains establishes a religious worship for the national representatives, to be performed by Ministers of religion, elected by a majority of them; and these are to be paid out of the national taxes. Does not this involve the principle of a national establishment, applicable to a provision for a religious worship for the Constituent as well as of the representative Body, approved by the majority, and conducted by Ministers of religion paid by the entire nation.

          • Johnny Mustafa

            Having a Chaplain is not “ESTABLISHING” a state run religion. And having one there is a good thing.

          • Brian Westley

            Argue with Madison, the guy who wrote the first amendment.

          • Johnny Mustafa

            Well, he is dead. But the Congress still has it’s Chaplain. Perhaps you should go up there and tell them what’s what.

          • Brian Westley

            So why do you think your opinion is better than Madison’s?

          • JPT

            What is gained by public displays of piety in an otherwise secular setting and why can it not be attained if the display is deferred?

          • Johnny Mustafa

            You might want to go to DC and protest. The Chaplain is there every morning. Mon-Fri.

          • LibsLuvMuslims

            You need to call Congress and express you “outrage!” LOL

          • Brian Westley

            It’s typically Christians who are outraged when non-Christians get equal treatment:

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venkatachalapathi_Samuldrala_prayer_controversy

          • LibsLuvMuslims

            Yeah, that being taken down enriched your life how?

          • Brian Westley

            By having the government follow the constitution.
            Are you done whining yet?

          • LibsLuvMuslims

            You people are whining about signs, or whatever that haven’t done a thing to anyone. Are you don’t whining yet?

          • Brian Westley

            No, we aren’t “whining”, we got it removed. The people complaining about it being removed are the whiners.

        • JPT

          I’d say that is unconstitutional and a needless display of public piety, bordering on superstition.

          • LibsLuvMuslims

            Well, the Congress evidently thinks otherwise.

          • JPT

            It’s not politically pragmatic to wage that particular battle, but on an individual level, I’m sure many would agree with me.

      • ronald reagan

        Yeah, because for over 200 years those signs have enslaved us all uh? LOL

        • JPT

          Well, only in an oblique sense.

          They serve to reinforce the psychological manipulation that we are under constant invigilation by an imaginary vengeful being who could thrust us into a hellish chasm at any instant solely on the basis of thought crimes.

          That is the role of self-anointed shamans who lie to children for a living, it is not the role of government agencies.

          • ronald reagan

            Well, just because you are a religious bigot Is a given. The real reason why atheists do these things.

          • JPT

            You’ll have to string a few more words together to make that post more comprehendible.

          • ronald reagan

            Sorry, I suppose your an EBONICS major. I don’t speak that.

          • JPT

            Well, you’re not on top of English grammar, either, apparently.

          • ronald reagan

            Nor or you…..perhaps you should use your genius elsewhere, instead of on this thread, which will have ZERO impact on the evolution of humanity here on Planet Earth.

          • JPT

            Oh, I’m not a genius, Don’t be intimidated; just hang in there, you’ll get better.

  • pajamaboy

    Why do atheists want everyone to be miserable? LOL

    • Mario Strada

      How is taking down an unconstitutional sign from the Post Office building making anyone miserable? No Atheist was miserable because of it and no Christian should be miserable because it is now displayed where it belongs.

      Imagine it was an Islamic sign posted on that fence. What would have been your reaction? And if not yours, the reaction of the general public?

      Misery has little to do with anything here.

      • manifest destiny

        We aren’t an Islamic Nation. That is a big difference.

        • Brian Westley

          We aren’t a Christian nation either. We have religious freedom instead.

          • major matt mason

            You really have thing about this don’t you? Your entire “comment history” is full of your hatred or fetish or whatever your hang up is on this “white nation” Bullsh*t. And since most of Americans are “Christian” that means we are a Christian nation. We sure aren’t a MUSLIM Nation are we?

          • Brian Westley

            You really have thing about this don’t you? Your entire “comment history” is full of your hatred or fetish or whatever your hang up is on this “white nation” Bullsh*t.

            I’m only throwing the same rightwing nonsense back at super-patriot usaeagle1776.

            If the US is a “Christian nation” because 75% of them are Christian, it’s also a “white nation” because 73% are white.

            He’s a Christian supremacist, so I’m drawing a parallel with a white supremacist.

            And since most of Americans are “Christian” that means we are a Christian nation. We sure aren’t a MUSLIM Nation are we?

            So you say we’re a white nation?

            If you really did read my comment history, you would see I do NOT say we’re a Christian nation; we’re a nation with religious freedom where no religion is given preference.

          • major matt mason

            Seek mental therapy at once.

          • Brian Westley

            Try using actual arguments next time.

          • major matt mason

            By exposing atheists as being religious bigots?

          • Brian Westley

            How so? We’re the ones arguing for government neutrality, it’s Christians who are whining and want the government to get involved in religion and favor their religion.

          • major matt mason

            I have read your comment history….your disdain for religion is quite clear. Why hide it?

          • Brian Westley

            I’m not. If it’s “quite clear”, I don’t see why you think I’m hiding it. Do you often contradict yourself in a single sentence?

          • Brian Westley

            You really have thing about this don’t you? Your entire “comment history” is full of your hatred or fetish or whatever your hang up is on this “white nation” Bullsh*t

            I’m only throwing the same rightwing nonsense back at super-patriot usaeagle1776.

            If the US is a “Christian nation” because 75% of them are Christian, it’s also a “white nation” because 73% are white.

            He’s a Christian supremacist, so I’m drawing a parallel with a white supremacist.

            And since most of Americans are “Christian” that means we are a Christian nation. We sure aren’t a MUSLIM Nation are we?

            So you say we’re a white nation?

            If you really did read my comment history, you would see I do NOT say we’re a Christian nation; we’re a nation with religious freedom where no religion is given preference.

          • AZWarrior

            Their little fundamentalist heads are exploding Brian. Perhaps it is time to just let it soak.

          • major matt mason

            You really have a hang up about Christians. Weird.

          • Brian Westley

            No, I have a hangup about the first amendment, and, in this country, it’s almost always Christians who are violating it at the expense of everyone else.

          • major matt mason

            And this “violation” affects you how? Did it cause you to lose your job or something? Just how bad was it for you personally?

          • Brian Westley

            Like I’ve already said many times, allowing the government to ignore the constitution is bad in the long run. You can be a doormat if you like, I will not be.

          • major matt mason

            Right, ignoring for almost 200+ years is now bad?? I haven seen any ill effects of that even now. Only atheists think so of course.

          • Brian Westley

            Right, ignoring for almost 200+ years is now bad??

            No, it was bad 200+ years ago, too.

            I haven seen any ill effects of that even now.
            The only ill effects from removing it is all the whining from people like you.

          • Johnny Mustafa

            What does that mean? LOL

          • Brian Westley

            What does religious freedom mean? It means no religion, including Christianity, is promoted by the government and all religions are equal in the eyes of the government.

          • Johnny Mustafa

            When has the US GOVT “promoted” it?

          • Brian Westley

            The government promoted religion by putting up that sign, which is why it had to be removed.

          • Johnny Mustafa

            You mean those folks working at the post office? Yeah, those dangerous mail carriers…they must be stopped!!

          • Brian Westley

            Stopped from using a gov’t post office as their personal soapbox, yes.

          • Johnny Mustafa

            Yeah, every night on the news we see those crazed Postal Carriers spreading the GOSPEL!!

          • Brian Westley

            Not on duty.
            Are you about to go postal?

          • Trump is my President

            In reality, the majority of the USA identifies as Christian, yet the USA protects the rights of minority religions. Ever noticed that a Nation where the majority is Christian, never had a problem with any OTHER minority religion? Ever ask yourself why that is?

          • Brian Westley

            Ever noticed that a Nation where the majority is Christian, never had a problem with any OTHER minority religion?

            You don’t know history at all, do you? Spanish Inquisition, anyone?

          • JPT

            Ever notice the Christian KuKluxKlan and its persecution of Catholics, Jews, and others?

          • Nullifidian

            Ever noticed that a Nation where the majority is Christian, never had a problem with any OTHER minority religion?

            Can you really possibly be this ignorant?

            What percentage of the German population was Christian in 1933?

            What percentage of the Spanish population was Christian in the days of the Inquisition?

            What percentage of the Russian population was Christian during the pogroms?

            Has the entire history of Christian anti-semitism utterly escaped you?

          • The_Wretched

            “the majority of the USA identifies as Christian”
            Yes and polling puts that number around 85%. Turns out some of the 85% understands and values secularism and most of the remainder of 15% does as well. As to subordinate religions not being happy, i’d paste you links but we can’t do that here. You might want to look up “The Troubles” sometime.

          • manifest destiny

            The dominate religion is Christian, and we were founded on Christian Judeo Principles. And we have always had religious freedom genius.

          • Brian Westley

            The dominate religion is Christian
            The dominant race is white. So are we a white nation?

          • manifest destiny

            I have read your comment history, and you seem to have a fetish of pushing that narrative of all white for some reason. What is up with your hang up on that?

          • Brian Westley

            To show that all the people calling this a “Christian nation” because 75% are Christian, are being Christian supremacists, just like calling the US a “white nation” because 73% are white are white supremacists.

            It’s throwing their own majoritarian argument back at them.

          • manifest destiny

            Hardly. You like to play around with wording because you don’t want anything to dispute you pathetic anti religious/anti Christian hatred. The US has always been a Christian nation, it being the dominate religion since our founding. Islam was not dominate, nor that of Buddhists or Hindus. Facts are facts. And yes, the nation is predominately white at 73%. Fact again

          • Brian Westley

            You like to play around with wording because you don’t want anything to dispute you pathetic anti religious/anti Christian hatred.
            No, it’s because I push back against the mindless Christian supremacy so many people like yourself espouse.

          • The_Wretched

            Shouldn’t all religions have equal rights and not just the dominant one?

          • manifest destiny

            They do have the right to practice their religion. We are the dominate religion, since the nation has always been Christian since our creation.

          • The_Wretched

            Founders were mostly deist. Didn’t they write a secular constitution? I mean, we can look at the constitution of the Confederacy (or Mississippi for that matter) and see what a christianist constitution looks like.

        • JPT

          And it isn’t the United States of Christian Supremacy.

          • LibsLuvMuslims

            Who said it was? The fact that the Christianity is still the dominant religion is a fact.

          • JPT

            … and one purpose of a republic is to protect minority segments from tyranny of the majority.

            The early history of American colonies included sectarian violence and suppression. The wall of separation between church and state protects individual religious freedom.

          • LibsLuvMuslims

            We have always had religious freedom.

          • manifest destiny

            Never has been, we have been here for a long time. Try again.

      • pajamaboy

        yeah, that sign was awful..and how did it affect your life?

    • muslimdog

      Well, they are just mad, always angry and want to impose their minority views on the majority. Typical leftwing pukes.

    • The_Wretched

      You’re miserable if you don’t have your religion’s iconography on a post office? what a weird fetish.

      • pajamaboy

        Hardly miserable. It only bothers you religious bigots.

        • The_Wretched

          and it’s removal was nothing to you?

          I’m still not finding bible verses about hanging banners on the Roman government centers or finding a tradition of sectarian iconography (gang signs?) on things other than churches. I mean, hinduism usually has a ton of shrines but they keep the religious iconography holy and on shrines instead of any old building. Where is a similar respect for your god?

    • LinCA

      Actually, shedding infantile beliefs in imaginary friends tends to work wonders for one’s outlook on life. Consider this a wake up call. It’s up to you whether you want to face reality or hit the snooze button.

      • pajamaboy

        Well, for you, a religious bigot giving out advice is very funny. Believing that “life” just happens out of NOTHING, now that is funny.

        • LinCA

          Well, for you, a religious bigot giving out advice is very funny.

          How am I a bigot? Do I prevent you from clinging to your superstitions? Do I try to deny you the right to practice your rituals? Of course, not. I’m only suggesting that you employ some sound reasoning and shed what are obviously silly superstitions.

          Believing that “life” just happens out of NOTHING, now that is funny.

          Not nearly as funny as believing in imaginary friends. Do tell, without relying on special pleading, where did your god come from?

  • neutronstar14

    Atheists are what….1 or 2% of the total population? Who the heck cares what these aholes think?

    • The_Wretched

      the same could be said for various christian sects and the muslims in the US (who are outnumbered by atheists). The point is that everyone has an equal right to their practice of faith or no faith. Caring about that right protects you too neutron.

      • neutronstar14

        Atheists hardly out number those of faith in the US. Try again.

        • The_Wretched

          Not what I said but I’ll be clearer. Atheists out number muslisms in the US.

  • muslimdog

    “Being an atheist must be like living in a room with no window.” Anthony Hopkins.

  • moehammy

    Every community needs to do this, send those sick SOB atheists back into the holes they crawled out of.

  • LibsLuvMuslims

    Atheists sure spend a lot of time telling the Majority what to do, over something they say doesn’t exist!

    • Brian Westley

      No, the US government and constitution really exist.

      And we’re telling the majority to follow the constitution.

      • LibsLuvMuslims

        Yeah, because for 200+ years those signs and flags hurt no one…until now. Hmm

        • Brian Westley

          That sign hadn’t been up for 200 years, and it hurts no one to take it down.

        • Nullifidian

          Yeah, because for 200+ years those signs and flags hurt no one…until now. Hmm

          I’m pretty sure the town of Pittsburg, KS didn’t exist over 200 years ago, let alone the sign in its post office.

          • LibsLuvMuslims

            Just a figure of speech how all of sudden this is “so important” to atheists.

          • Brian Westley

            Probably when the supreme court ruled 5-4 that a commandments monument was legal since nobody complained for 80 years.

            That’s one reason why atheists file complaints and lawsuits as soon as any violation is found. Congratulations.

          • LibsLuvMuslims

            Congrats to you too. Those signs might have fallen off the wall and killed an atheist. PHEW!! we dodged a bullet there.

          • Nullifidian

            It’s not sudden. The history of Establishment Clause litigation being applied to the states goes back to 1947’s Everson v. Board of Education and each subsequent case has never successfully challenged the principle of incorporating the First Amendment to the states.

    • LinCA

      Atheists sure spend a lot of time telling the Majority what to do

      It’s a dirty job, but someone’s got to do it. The majority clearly isn’t capable to understand these pretty simple concepts.

      over something they say doesn’t exist!

      Of course these creatures don’t exist. They are nothing but ignorant superstitions of primitive Bronze Age goat herders. It’s utterly baffling that anyone with an IQ over room temperature, in this day and age, believes they are real.

      • LibsLuvMuslims

        Well, that is your opinion, just like your beliefs in atheism.

        • LinCA

          Well, that is your opinion, just like your beliefs in atheism.

          Of course, that’s my opinion. It’s also the only rational one. The case for the existence of gods is equally strong as the case for the existence of the Easter Bunny or Santa Claus. Shedding such beliefs is the adult thing to do.

  • JPT

    Does the fact that religious symbols do not appear on street signs indicate suppression of religious freedom?

    • HILDEBEAST!

      That makes no sense at all.

      • JPT

        Exactly.

      • demdestroyer

        Atheists make no sense.

  • JIHADI JANE

    So happy that those good folks did that in response to those freaks.

  • Discovery

    Good too see all those flags and folks out there doing that. Should happen in every town and city.

  • darkmatterisreal

    Where can I donate to these folks fighting against these atheist SOB’S? Great JOB!

  • Nemo

    Honestly I don’t understand why this would upset anyone. Athiests don’t want government sponsorship of religion, but we celebrate individual liberties. If you guys wanna cover your houses in ten commandments and in god we trust or whatever, go for it! I’m glad you have something to believe in.

    To those of you who are offended that it was taken down, what if instead it said “Allah Bless America”? Or “Krishna Bless America”? I know for sure you’d be offended that the government would “endorse such heathens!” Well that’s exactly how we feel when we see these things.

    • Flax Seed

      Check your map, you might be lost 🙂

      God Bless America

      • Nemo

        Should look up some history on that, bud. It started back in the days of the civil war as propaganda to basically say God was on the side of the union, and nothing more. It’s technically against the constitution for that phrase to be on money, especially since most of our founding fathers weren’t even christian, most of them were deists, namely Jefferson, Franklin, and Washington.

        Basically, it’s propaganda.

        • Flax Seed

          Where does it say ‘Christian’?

          • The_Wretched

            Whose god is “God”?

          • Flax Seed

            Now you are getting the brilliance of our Founders

  • Linda

    What is a group from Wisconsin doing sticking their noses in something in Kansas. Just stay home and take care of your own. It isn’t freedom from religion but freedom of religion.

    • Nullifidian

      Yeah, because we know right-wingers never object to things that happen outside of their immediate vicinity (Kim Davis’ contempt of court, the Terri Schiavo case, the Oregon bakers fined for doxxing and harassing the lesbian couple they refused to serve, the so-called “Ground Zero Mosque”, etc., etc., etc.) But when it’s their own ox being gored, suddenly having national attention directed at something is wrong, wrong, wrong.

  • Linda

    Why are they so afraid of a God they say doesn’t exist?

    • JPT

      The concern is for fundamentalist adherents who will encourage and approve of all sort of derision, scorn, shunning, and other evils being visited upon “others”.

    • LinCA

      I’m not afraid of your imaginary friends any more than I’m afraid of the Easter Bunny, Voldemort or any other fictional creature. I just don’t want my tax dollars spent on promoting your fairy tale.

      While you are free to believe whatever nonsense you want, the government should not promote it.

  • Someone

    Someone care to explain how this is supposed to offend athiests? The removal of a sign promoting a certain religion on GOVERNMENT PROPERTY, is what the issue was. If a fireworks vendor gives out religious signs to individuals to put on their own yards/private property…. We literally don’t care. Go ahead. We only have issues when separation of church and state is clearly breached.

    Oh btw to those spreading the false rumor that Muslim teachings are being forced on children in schools, they’re not, quit believing biased sources that twist the facts. What is ACTUALLY happening, is they are being educated on what some other people believe in(and there is a course explaining Christianity as well, so quit acting like you’re not being covered). There is literally nothing in these lessons that show any signs whatever of trying to “convert” the children, neither for Islam, Buddhism, Christianity, or any of the other lessons it covers. and that I might add, is why these lawsuits by paranoid Christian parents never make it off the ground.

    America is a diverse nation, one that is getting more diverse by the day, the last thing it needs is our youth to be turned into biased, racist bigots who are closed off and ignorant of the world.

    Sadly I realize this post will get deleted because it actually presents facts, and explains on a clearly biased site, why you people were wrong in your assumptions, both on thinking this offends atheists, and how children are not in fact being preached to about Islam in schools. Thankfully screen capture ensures I’ll have this response saved for the future. 😉

    • Trump is my President

      The Constitution is about Freedom “OF” religion, not Freedom “FROM” religion, you dolt.

      Btw, why in the world should public schools teach what different religions believe? That is worse than the “God Bless American” banner, because the Constitution says – The Government will neither PROMOTE or DISCOURAGE any particular religion.

      What is really going on when a public school teaches “about” Islam, is the attempt to normalize “it” in American culture. There isn’t ANYTHING “normal” about Islam in America. It flat out doesn’t belong here.

      • Someone

        why should they teach it? to avoid our children growing up into bigoted paranoid trailer trash like yourself, that’s why. Ignorance creates paranoia and hate. You’re a prime example of what happens when schools don’t teach our children that the rest of the world exists and to prepare them for what is a constantly expanding diverse country, and workplace.

        You know who also used your same argument? White supremacists who fought against blacks gaining equal rights, their argument always was “there is nothing “NORMAL” about blacks, they flat out don’t belong in our schools, or around our children”

        and it’s not PROMOTING religion when it’s informing children simply of what this religion believes. PROMOTING it, would be the schools trying to actually encourage children to convert to islam. None of the texts in these lessons tell children things like “god doesn’t exist, there is only allah” or any other BS you people have convinced yourselves they say, as that WOULD be promoting, and the FFRF would be right there protesting that and stopping it along with you christians. the only thing the lessons do is tell children that there are muslims in america, and what they believe in.

        Learn the difference between informing and promoting before you spout off you idiot, i most certainly am screen capping your comment so the whole world can see the prime example of what happens when children grow up to be ignorant and intolerant adults, and see why it’s so vital to ensure that world studies is taught in school, so less people grow up to be like yourself.

        FYI, american “culture” has ALWAYS been a mix of all cultures, not just “white christian culture”, that includes muslims. Just like hispanic americans, asian americans, african americans, India Americans, and so on, everyone of them has brought along things from their own cultures and countries. America is supposed to be the land of the free, not the land of “bigoted paranoid white people who harass everyone that doesn’t share their beliefs” IF you don’t like the fact that America is a diverse nation, leave.

      • Nullifidian

        The Constitution is about Freedom “OF” religion, not Freedom “FROM” religion, you dolt.

        There isn’t ANYTHING “normal” about Islam in America. It flat out doesn’t belong here.

        It’s not often one is privileged to see a person write a 84-word comment where the first and last sentences contradict each other. Did you forgot about the free exercise clause halfway through typing your comment?

    • JPT

      To be helpful: Disqus will automatically delete multiple down-voted posts which have no up-votes, as a measure to deal with spam. If you up-vote your own posts, the regulars here will use it as a point of ridicule, but your posts will have a better chance of survival.

  • JV

    It takes more effort and faith to be an atheist

    I feel sorry for them because they carry so much hate, vitriol and frankly envy for Christians in particular

    What I’ve learned is that not all atheists are tyrannical Marxists but all tyrants, mass murderers, Marxists, fascists and communists have been atheists

    Doesn’t take a NASA scientist to observe this connection

    • Nullifidian

      It certainly does take effort to not vomit when we hear you spouting the same old character assassination and revisionist history all the time.

      Do you honestly think that this would be convincing to anyone else, or do you just repeat it to yourself in an effort to keep from drifting too far off the reservation?

      And aren’t you just the slightest bit concerned by the fact that nothing you have said is true? Do you just rationalize away all the discrepancies or do you simply not bother learning about politics or world history in the first place?

      Atheism as a philosophy has only come into its own in the West largely in the last 200+ years, since the Enlightenment. There are a few scattered atheists or suspected atheists (like Jean Meslier, Baruch Spinoza, Thomas Hobbes, etc.) before then, but for the most part atheism is a mid-18th century development. So essentially, you have to commit yourself to the proposition that there were no tyrants, no mass killings, nothing bad prior to that moment. Considering that this is an era that gave us feudalism and such religious massacres as the Massacre of Béziers, the Massacre of Verden, the St. Bartholomew’s Day Massacre, the Granada Massacre, the Ulster Massacres, etc., this seems a little implausible. Then when we consider figures like Franco, Pinochet, Idi Amin, Ayatollah Khomeini, etc. (Christians never want to admit that Hitler was a faithful Catholic, so I’ve left him out even though he belongs), the charge becomes absolutely ridiculous.

      And there have also been plenty of Christian communists and Marxists—so many that Christian communism is its own branch of the political philosophy. For example, one of the founding members of the International Workers of the World, and a man credited with writing its preamble, was a Catholic priest, Thomas Hagerty. He ultimately proved too radical for his church, being suspended by his archbishop for encouraging Colorado miners to revolt in 1903. (Considering that Colorado is the site of the 1914 Ludlow Massacre and the 1927 Columbine Mine Massacre, the world of Colorado mining was a tinderbox just waiting for a spark, which is no doubt what the archbishop was worried about.)

    • JPT

      And it doesn’t take a rocket surgeon to notice a series of vapid slogans in lieu of cogent thinking.

      • JV

        I wouldn’t exactly call your misinformed rantings cogent

      • JV

        BTW – what the hell is a rocket surgeon?

      • JV

        so is NASA part of Obamacare now providing surgery for rockets?

        • Brian Westley

          Things JV Doesn’t Understand:
          1) History
          2) Jokes

          • JV

            Things atheists refuse to recognize

            EVERYTHING

            LMAO

  • MystiqueLady

    I wonder how many of these people are CHARGING Jake’s Fireworks for the shitload of free advertising they’re (the homeowners) providing. It would have been a better message if Jake’s did NOT print their business name on the signs. (I hope they spelled their name correctly on their signs — whoever wrote this piece needs to learn a few things about grammar and punctuation.)

  • JV

    being an atheist must be a very sad existence having such a huge hole in one’s “heart” in the stead fast faith of not believing in anything but nothingness

    no wonder most of them are always so damn angry, petulant and hateful

    • MystiqueLady

      Nope — My heart has no holes in it (just a slight murmur) per my Dr., am not angry, petulant or hateful. Just curious how many people are so easily lead by scam artists, er, preachers/ministers/pastors/imans (etc.).

    • LinCA

      Trying to get adults to shed their silly superstitions and ignorant Iron Age folklore isn’t done out of hate or anger. It’s done to help.

  • Chad Smith

    Nobody cares about people putting the signs up on their own property. Why do some people have such a hard time understanding this?

  • tatoo

    Please remember to recycle the signs when you are done. I am not sure the dump can handle so much sh*t.

  • LinCA

    Kudos to Jake’s Fireworks for taking full advantage of the gullibility of the residents.