The videos made by suspected mass murderer Elliot Rodger showed a young man who seemed to hate everybody, really, but his comments about women stoked a nationwide conversation on misogyny. If you’re going to talk misogyny, though, David Frum thinks you should consider the present climate in Pakistan.
The next time somebody talks about “misogyny in American society,” forward them this http://t.co/9cosf858VQ (h/t @davidrieff)
— David Frum (@davidfrum) May 28, 2014
Frum links to the story of a couple who allegedly killed their 15-year-old daughter with acid for looking at a boy. It’s a horrifying story to be sure, but what, if anything, does it have to do with the case of Rodger, or misogyny in America? Twitter followers aren’t quite sure.
https://twitter.com/RichelleCarey/status/471467542545186817
@davidfrum @davidrieff so your point is we should shut up because we aren't being attacked with acid?
— Rose-Marie StayTFHome? Holt ✌️??✊ (@Rose_Marie_Holt) May 28, 2014
https://twitter.com/HartChart123/status/471467150373167105
@davidfrum That doesn't mean misogyny doesn't exist here. It also doesn't mean that misogyny isn't a problem here.
— Josh (@jesteinf) May 28, 2014
https://twitter.com/AdamKronfeld/status/471467186515873792
@davidfrum @davidrieff believe me we know how bad it is elsewhere.
— Rose-Marie StayTFHome? Holt ✌️??✊ (@Rose_Marie_Holt) May 28, 2014
@davidfrum @davidrieff Oh but make no mistake we are just as bad here, just as bad! (chilling story)
— Matthew Cauz (@mcauz56) May 28, 2014
@davidfrum So women shouldn't complain about the misogyny in America because it is more nuanced and complicated than in other places? Okay..
— deep, negro spiritual sigh (@Info4theMind) May 28, 2014
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@davidfrum @davidrieff The more drastic experience does not preclude the validity of all experiences.
— Tiina Komulainen (@TMKomulainen) May 28, 2014
@davidfrum @davidrieff Saying nothing short of an acid attack is misogyny is like saying nothing short of the Holocaust is anti-Semitism.
— Steve M. (@nomoremister) May 28, 2014
https://twitter.com/adamtcole/status/471467530641358850
Um…so b/c there is misogyny elsewhere, we can't tlak about the abuse of women here? both/and? Not sure I get ur pt @davidfrum @davidrieff
— Zerlina Maxwell (@ZerlinaMaxwell) May 28, 2014
https://twitter.com/BonnieWalker88/status/471467803510194176
There is plenty of evidence of misogyny in American society. Also, elsewhere. You have to get this, yes? both/and. @davidfrum @davidrieff
— Zerlina Maxwell (@ZerlinaMaxwell) May 28, 2014
https://twitter.com/pbshaughnessy/status/471468106355728384
Do you honestly not know that it's possible to ruin women's lives w/o throwing acid? And that it happens every day?@davidfrum @davidrieff
— Emily L. Hauser אלה אסתר (@emilylhauser) May 28, 2014
https://twitter.com/ZenPopArt/status/471468287256432641
https://twitter.com/JessicaValenti/status/471468303475826688
@ZerlinaMaxwell It's like someone saying that racism isn't a problem in America because slavery ended.
— T1theinfamous (@T1theinfamous) May 28, 2014
@davidfrum @davidrieff Pretty sure the vile acts of others in other countries doesn't negate the faults of ours. Bad argument IMHO
— Womanz Soul (@Womanzsoul) May 28, 2014
https://twitter.com/MattBors/status/471468381900926976
https://twitter.com/JessicaValenti/status/471468482232856577
@davidfrum @davidrieff As someone who has lived in five countries on four continents: it can exist in multiple places at the same time.
— Jillian Keenan (@JillianKeenan) May 28, 2014
@ZerlinaMaxwell @davidfrum @davidrieff -so misogyny & violence against women elsewhere proves that misogyny isnt a pernicious reality in us?
— David J. Leonard (@drdavidjleonard) May 28, 2014
https://twitter.com/JessicaValenti/status/471469038787629056
"Hey ladies, it could be worse!" Fine logic from @davidfrum & @davidrieff // @JessicaValenti @ZerlinaMaxwell
— Caryn Riswold (@feminismxianity) May 28, 2014
.@davidfrum FFS. It isn't a "my misogyny is worse than your misogyny" competition.
— Gilded Bat _(:/」∠)_ (@gildedbat) May 28, 2014
@JessicaValenti @ZerlinaMaxwell We have no chance of evolving as a society if we can't even take care of misogyny here before helping there.
— Marie-Lynn Richard (Née Hefner) ? (@mlrichard) May 28, 2014
@davidfrum @davidrieff Why does the fact that misogyny is worse elsewhere make misogyny here not a problem?
— Eric Levitz (@EricLevitz) May 28, 2014
We still don’t know what Frum’s point is.
@davidfrum The next time somebody asks for an example of child-like logic I'll forward them this tweet
— toilet_nightmare.aspx (@Phylan) May 28, 2014
https://twitter.com/APBBlue/status/471469671967776768
@ZerlinaMaxwell @davidfrum @davidrieff can't imagine someone would argue "stfu your lady parts could have it worse." Can't possibly be that
— john r stanton (@dcbigjohn) May 28, 2014
@ZerlinaMaxwell @davidfrum @davidrieff Yeah, we really should be happy for how great we have it & stop complaining, right?
— Me too (@ofthestardust) May 28, 2014
.@davidfrum @davidrieff you're right. One insane couple in PAKISTAN totally proves misogyny is dead in America.
— Matt Flowers (@SunshineEmpire) May 28, 2014
@davidfrum If your daughter complained to you about being harassed at work, would you tell her "So what? He didn't throw acid in your face!"
— Eric Levitz (@EricLevitz) May 28, 2014
.@davidfrum Great point, Frum. Everyone knows misogyny can only exist in one society at a time!
— Michael Arria (@michaelarria) May 28, 2014
https://twitter.com/pattymo/status/471471930764439552
@davidfrum Because it's worse elsewhere we shouldn't address misogyny here? Repeated mass shootings of women not a valid issue to address?
— Brett Bundale (@bbundale) May 28, 2014
@davidfrum @davidrieff oh my god. come on. are you saying violence is just a matter of degrees?
— pierre menard (@PierreMenard) May 28, 2014
@ZerlinaMaxwell @JessicaValenti "You Ladies! Always harshing my mellow w/ your misogyny stuff! In my youth we had acid thrown in our faces!"
— Kitty Eisele (@RadioKitty) May 28, 2014
.@davidfrum If "better than acid attacks and honour killings" is the bar, then congrats on having set the bar remarkably low.
— Chief Master Sergeant George “Steve” Cum (@ass_dad) May 28, 2014
@davidfrum @davidrieff ooof, eagerly await backtrack
— smt (@inconspicuous) May 28, 2014
No backtracking yet.
@ZerlinaMaxwell @JessicaValenti maybe someone just wants to be part of the conversation? (charitable interp).
— Kitty Eisele (@RadioKitty) May 28, 2014
.@davidfrum A lot of people are giving you shit for this tweet tonight but I hope you know that's only because this was a truly stupid tweet
— Chris Scott (@iamchrisscott) May 28, 2014
https://twitter.com/iD4RO/status/471475441765990401
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