A campaign mailer which started hitting mailboxes on Friday has caused such a controversy that people are still arguing if sending it was ethical, let alone a smart move.

Jounalist Sarah Rumph broke the story in the Independent Journal, telling the story of an Iowa man named Tom Hinkeldey who received an official-looking “voting violation” form in a manilla envelope marked “Public Record” and “Further Action Needed.” Hinkeldey had tweeted a photo of the mailer but took it down when he realized it showed his address. Others have since posted photos with personal information redacted.

A return envelope says, “Paid for by Cruz for President,” and though the information on the form is available from public records, some found it unnerving to find their neighbors’ names and voting records on display. Hinkeldey tweeted to Cruz that the mailer helped him decide to throw his support behind Marco Rubio, but some insist that the whole thing is a fraud.

He was a mail man, you know.

  • TooFarGone1 ✓NeverTrump

    How many people who are losing their minds over Cruz sending out fake government documents want Ole Shrill prosecuted for mishandling and exposing actual government documents?

    • constitutionminded

      How many times has the GOP sent out a fund raising letter that looked like an official Govt document. They do it all the time.

      • RblDiver

        So….they shouldn’t do it because people are too dumb to separate “official” from “campaign” and we need to protect them from themselves?

      • Bill

        The Cruz people modeled after what the Iowa GOP sent out during the 2014 elections. It’s kind of hypocritical for them to get all up in arms when Cruz does this. Obama also sent a very similar type of letter out before the 2008 or 2012 election.
        Yawn. I live in Iowa and get all these mailers and throw them away without even looking at them.

        • Dottie Derewicz

          So you think like a politician..so to go along to get along would be ok for you..so two wrongs do make a right..this is what is wrong with DC today is things just like this and you thinking it is just ok..geez.. how stupid have Americans gotten.

          • Pandabucks

            Hey, no problem! “Mr. Principle” can do whatever he wants to whomever he wants, then just say, “others have done it.”

            That’s principle, right?

            Never mind that no other GOP Primary candidate is doing it…

          • Mary Jo

            Marco Rubio sent out the same type of mailer and he is getting no bad press. What’s up with that? I would download a copy of it, but this site won’t allow downloads. GOOGLE

          • Pandabucks

            I’ve seen both, and Rubio’s is nowhere near as bad as Cruz’s. No names, no public shaming, no “violation” verbiage. That is why Rubio’s is rarely mentioned.

            This said, I still oppose Rubio’s mailer as well. Just because someone else is far worse, that doesn’t make Rubio the good guy. It just makes Cruz a worse guy.

          • Bill

            LOL. Rubio did the same thing this weekend (you can find Rubio’s mailer if you google for it). Hypocrisy by Rubio and his supporters. Um, yeah. “Two wrongs, do make a right”? What wrong? Is there something in the Constitution prohibiting sending mailers? Is there some federal law against this? Hey, you don’t like the mailers. Fine, I live in Iowa and have to watch about 100 political commercials per hour and get at minimum about 10 calls a day from these politicians. Don’t like it throw the mailer away or scream from the mountain top that it’s a misleading mailer.

            Good thing we never have political ads misleading the opponents position. That was sarcasm.

            Maybe you should run for office and show everyone how to properly run a campaign.

          • Mary Jo

            A 2006 study reflects that this type of mailer actually increases the vote. Not a bad thing.

        • Pandabucks

          Another Cruz apologist.

          In other words, “Mr. Principle” can literally list the voting records of people to their neighbors, embarrassing each of them and intimidating them to turn out, but “Mr. Principle” can write it off as “others have done it”–even when no other GOP Primary candidates are doing it?

          No character, no conscience. Cruz is made for you.

          • Bill

            That’s rich coming from a Rubio supporter when his guy did the exact same thing. Goodness, you can’t make this stuff up. Plus, you’re supporting a candidate who is so filled with character he broke his biggest campaign promise, “I will not support amnesty, no pathway to citizenship”. The Rubions are becoming almost as unhinged as the Trumpkins.

          • Pandabucks

            1. You have zero evidence I support Rubio.
            2. I don’t like Rubio’s mailer, but I’ve seen it and it’s nowhere near as offensive as Cruz’s. Everyone knows this.
            3. I have said which candidates I like and why, but you obviously don’t care. You keep losing this debate, so you have to prop up straw men to fight, claiming I support a candidate you don’t like. It’s hilarious.

            4. Bill, we’re done here. You’re a waste of time. You never make any actual points, but just try to deflect with insults. Come back when you learn debate and/or reason.

          • Bill

            1) Yes, I do. One can make an assumption based upon your numerous posts here.

            2) Until I commented how many comments did you make to this affect today? I’d say you probably have dozens regarding Cruz mailer. “Everyone knows this”. If that doesn’t tell me your getting killed in this debate. When you have to pull out that logical fallacy you’ve reached rock bottom.

            3) Sure, I’m losing the debate which is why you have to resort to logical fallacy 101, “Everyone knows this”. Sigh. Your position is hypocritical, mine, as Ted’s has been consistent. I don’t even think you know what a straw man is but nice try.

            4) Great news. Dealing with people like yourself who have come on a message board complaining with faux outrage about something because you are trying to prop up support for your candidate is pretty weak. You aren’t trying to stir discussion about real issues impacting the country, you are like the media trying to build up something minor, just to try and help build up support for your candidate. The problem is it blew up badly in your face so you got badly burned. because you (and your candidate) are being hypocritical about the issue. Buddy, you are the guy who first start lobbing insults and I’m not deflecting. You’ve acted like Cruz shot someone dog. He did nothing illegal or unethical. Deal with it. Get some help You have some serious anger issues.

          • Pandabucks

            I’m not a Rubio supporter. I also oppose his mailer, though it is nowhere near as bad as Cruz’s. You call me a Rubio supporter because you feel it somehow supports your position–not because of any evidence. You know this, of course.

            I’ve responded to others before you joined the debate–if what you do could actually be called “debate.”

            You make no points, Bill. You waste my time. We’re done here.

          • Bill

            You can claim anything on a message board. You aren’t fooling anyone but yourself.

            You keep coming back. You’re a bore and a hypocrite.

            It was a faux outrage over a minor message. You wrote dozens of messages about this unimportant matter, instead of real issues which will affect everyone. You’re a tool buddy. It’s apparent you are part of the low information crowd, who wants to talk about style instead of issues. Get some medical help for your anger issues.

      • Kawfy

        so do all the “refinance your home” ads I get ALL THE damn TIME

        • thale_taxurfeet ♂ Vilified

          Heh. I get those officious pretending pieces of junk mail citing information that is stale by a decade, at least.

          The Information Machine is becoming so, ah, yuuuge, it’s infallibly inaccurate, albeit laughable, but wildly inaccurate.

          P.S. All direct marketers of both the financial and political persuasion, some percentage of folks, when told of something containing an implied threat will react in an opposite if not adversarial way. Just because…

      • DeplorableMessMan ✔ JesseMessy

        …Since GOP fundraising letters of the sort you mean are in envelopes marked in the return-address as being from the RNC, there isn’t anything scandalous. THIS mailer is very different…except for one fact that I’ll bet the lamely-named #TheIndyJournal left out: such mailers were used in 2014 by New York Democrats.

        • constitutionminded

          Both sides do it. Neither can come up with anything new. Unless having a socialist and a person under criminal investigation is new. I haven’t seen that before so I guess the dems have come up with something new.

    • tops116 ✓Quipper

      How many people defending Cruz on this condemned it when Obama and other Democrats did it?

      • badazoth

        none unless you are a brain dead trump supporter its a mailer

        • Dottie Derewicz

          NO..it isn’t just a mailer it was fraudulent..do you know what that means..it means they stated things to voters that was untrue..how much election fraud do we need for you Rafael Cruz people to wake up to your phony candidate. It isn’t about Trump what the heck has he got to do with Cruz committing fraud.. is that what you want someone who lies to the people and does not feel about it..and his answer is typical of a politician.. he won’t apologize to the people..what the heck are you doing supporting this guy..geez.

          • Adam Wood

            You really need to look up the definition of “fraud.”

          • constitutionminded

            I have gotten mailers on how to fix my credit, how I am qualified for 500,000 dollar loans, that I have won a car, (if the key fits), how to get more in SS payments and so forth. Now these are fraudulent. Relax Dottie, it’s election time and we will all be tired of this crap in three months.

      • Pandabucks

        You’re kidding, right? I despise it whenever it’s used.

        But here’s the real question: Ted claims to be Mr. Principle, but he’s using “other people do it” as his excuse to shame and intimidate GOP voters.

        I expect it from Obama–he cares nothing for principle. Cruz? Well, he at least claims to care for principle.

        • http://wandererswaysite.wordpress.com Wanderer

          I’m a Cruz man and I agree, this was a bad move.

          • Pandabucks

            Another principled Cruz supporter. That’s two now.

      • Bill

        The Republicans did this during 2014 elections. At least the Republican party in Iowa did.

        • Pandabucks

          That’s a party, not a candidate–and I despise it when anyone does it. But certainly, “Mr. Principle” shouldn’t do something and then say, “but other people have done it!”

        • Pandabucks

          Should Mr. Principle excuse his lack of principle with “others have done it”?

      • Yassir Sanchez

        How many Trump supporters condemn him for all the policies that Trump agreed with Obama on. Oh not to even mention supporting and voting for Obama? And Hilary. And Pelosi.. I could go on for hours

        • Dottie Derewicz

          Duh..do you have a brain. First of all Trump did not agree with him on anything..you must be watching the Cruz lying videos.. once a liar always a liar.. But anyway..what does anything that Trump may have said have to do with the fraud that Cruz just committed.. One of the persons that received the letter decided to vote for Rubio instead..so use your brain..what does Trump have to do with it.some are now voting for Rubio. My gosh I think Cruz people are just the less educated of all those out there.

          • sassygeorgiegirl

            Rubio did the same thing…just came out today. Tadaaaa…and the Rubio camp was responsible for creating this stir-up…which was also done by big Rubio supporter Joni Ernst. It’s called politics. I don’t like the mailers either, but I’m not going to make my vote based on a stupid mailer.

        • CyBu

          Trump did NOT VOTE FOR OBAMA- he was supporting McCain/Romney and anyone that believes that idiot Glenn Beck’s claims that “Trump voted Obama”, is just as stupid as Beck!

    • Pandabucks

      I totally want Hillary prosecuted, and I totally think Ted’s decision mailer was a horrible thing to do.

      Got anything else?

  • Gregor Eisenstein

    Even though it’s from a public record, I hated when Democrats did this, so I’m honor bound to say that I hate this version of it as well.

  • TXConservativeMama

    I love Ted Cruz but there are a thousand other ways to encourage participation. Why choose a controversial route? He’s extremely intelligent of course but this was a dumb move in my opinion.

    • http://youhavetobethistalltogoonthisride.blogspot.com/ keyboard jockey

      Yes but now social media is discussing him and not Donald Trump.

      • TXConservativeMama

        Not all publicity is good.

        • http://youhavetobethistalltogoonthisride.blogspot.com/ keyboard jockey

          When Donald Trump is calling you a Canadian anchor baby this is probably the better of the two you want people discussing about you.

          • AMD_Afficionado

            Of the two issues, Iowa’s SecState has only expressed concern over the mailings.

          • Dottie Derewicz

            He said it was fraud.. so figure that out if you can..FRAUD.

          • grais

            I can’t find a statement from him using the word “fraud.”
            Have you got a citation for your claim?

          • Kawfy

            why do you have to respond in such a jerky manner?

          • grais

            Jerky and perhaps dishonest or ignorant.
            She’s screaming “lies” and “fraud” a lot.
            smh

          • linnilu

            Trump supporters often sound like that. It has caused me to rethink my decision to vote for Trump if he is the Republican candidate in November. They often forget, in their scorched earth strategy, that if Trump is the candidate in November, he will need more than just their votes, but help from the other candidates followers.

          • Kawfy

            or …OTOH…if their candidate is not the nominee….what then?…. When they have gone all in…proclaimed no other is worthy….will they stay home and let the criminal or socialist win?

          • http://youhavetobethistalltogoonthisride.blogspot.com/ keyboard jockey

            Expresses concern – what is the legal weight of expresses concern?

          • AMD_Afficionado

            Greater than the legal weight of “doesn’t care”, which has been the stance of Iowa’s SecState regarding Cruz’s Canadian birth.

            The ramifications of Cruz’s underhanded campaign mailers are still developing. From what I’ve discerned, there’s lawsuit potential but there’s also the allegation that Joni Ernst’s campaign did the same thing and she got off scot-free.

          • http://youhavetobethistalltogoonthisride.blogspot.com/ keyboard jockey

            Sum up- much a do about nothing then.

          • AMD_Afficionado

            For now, perhaps. But Cruz didn’t need the Secretary of State of Iowa lambasting him just before the caucus.

          • http://youhavetobethistalltogoonthisride.blogspot.com/ keyboard jockey

            He’s leading in the polls if it wasn’t this they would have manufactured some other controversy it’s just politics.

      • CyBu

        Unlike Hollyweird, ‘any publicity’ is not good publicity w-Politicians.

        • http://youhavetobethistalltogoonthisride.blogspot.com/ keyboard jockey

          Trump has gotten a lot of bad publicity and he’s leading in the polls. Hillary Clinton isn’t in the news for any popular reasons and she’s leading in the polls.

    • wrestlefan01

      well i mean trump calls his supporters stupid by saying he could shoot someone on a busy street and they would still vote for him..so i mean saing stupid controversial stuff works for him in getting fox news to continue to kiss his arse..it was worth a try for cruz

    • Sketti

      “I love Ted Cruz” – LOL, Liar!

    • FranklinWasRight

      Because he mostly just cares about results, and this type of mailer was used in other elections by other candidates with what were considered positive results. They obviously don’t care about backlash as long as they get more votes.

      And it is creepy.

      • sassygeorgiegirl

        they all do it. Maybe not this one particular mailer, but all the campaigns do some sort of tactic mailer. I don’t care for any. Ted didn’t throw his campaign under the bus about the mailer, but I doubt he even saw the mailer. He’s pretty busy right now. Joni Ernst and others did it in Iowa-and they weren’t considered creepy. It’s the way things are now-BTW, not my favorite either. But, I’m going to vote for the most consistent conservative. I’m going to vote for his record, not a campaign mailer.

        • Pandabucks

          So, Mr. Principle can shame and intimidate voters with the excuse, “others have done it”?

          Not that I know if Ernst’s mailer wen this far–it probably didn’t–but even if it did, how does that excuse Mr. Principle?

          Oh wait, I forgot–Ted’s supporters believe the ends justify the means, and that “principle” is just a sales term used for conning honest Conservatives.

          But hey, at least he’s “consistent.”

          • Dottie Derewicz

            No I don’t think fraud is something that is just an every day occurrence without be called up on it. This is Cruz slick willy way of spinning his way out of it..He is such a liar..it honestly makes me sick to my stomach and to think people are still defending him, but if one of the others did this the Rafael Cruz people would be ready to hang them.

          • Pandabucks

            Seriously Dottie, the Cruz supporters are the quickest to defend ANYTHING I’ve ever seen.

          • http://wandererswaysite.wordpress.com Wanderer

            Not this one. This is chickens**t stuff and not a dealbreaker for me by a longshot, but I’ll readily agree it was a very bad move for a lot of reasons. And if I were to meet Ted tomorrow I’d be happy to tell him that to his face and ask why he’d make such a rookie mistake.

          • Pandabucks

            Good for you! We now have three principled Cruz supporters on this thread!

          • CyBu

            It reeks of desperation-

        • Dottie Derewicz

          This was not a tactic it was a lie.. so the man who calls himself principled and a Christian sees it as ok..as long it meets the need at the time..it was fraud..but since he is the Christian..it is ok..good grief.. people..don’t you see this is DC politics as always..WAKE UP..

          • CyBu

            Cruz flip-flops on the Constitution, there’s nothing he won’t change his stance on, imho.

            TedCruz Conflicting Stances on the 14th Amendment
            (Anchor Babies)
            https://youtu.be/4zBW8vLnRDY

      • Pandabucks

        So “Mr. Principle” only cares about results now? He’s fine with shaming and intimidating GOP voters, and will use the excuse, “others have done it and it works” as his excuse?

        So, the ends justifies the means? For Mr. Principle?

        “Creepy” doesn’t begin to describe it.

        • Bill

          As Al Davis used to say, “Just win, baby, just win”. We aren’t running for Ms. Congeniality. That’s been the problem the past 2 elections, the GOP nominee has tried to be the “nicest” candidate while Obama was kicking their backside.
          Mr. Principle means he doesn’t flip flop on policy issues that affect all our lives. Kind of like how Rubio campaigned as being against amnesty then he barely warms his seat in the Senate and he’s hugging Chuck Schumer to work out an amnesty bill.

          • Dottie Derewicz

            OMG so using fraud against the people is ok..God help us!

          • Bill

            Good grief. Fraud? Really? Are you talking about Rubios mailers or are you talking about the broken promises he made to the voters of Fla regarding amnesty. Wonder which one impacts more people’s lives. Get back to me when you let that one marinate.

          • Pandabucks

            Rubio? Who’s talking about Rubio?

            I’m talking about Mr. Principle, and you’re saying “Just Win, Baby!” By the way, you’re quoting an owner whose players notoriously targeted and injured players, ruining lives.

            But hey, it’s all for Mr. Principle, so Bill can leave his character at the door and just win, baby! The ends justify the means for Cruz supporters!

            You know why Cruz feels fine using shame? Because he has none.

          • Bill

            Cruz hands are far cleaner than Boy Wonder who sold out his fellow Floridians for amnesty. And I’d take Cruz record up any of the Republicans or D’s running in this election.
            BTW, Rubio used the same tactic as Cruz but you probably didn’t notice because you were too busy whining. Open your eyes buddy.

            Oh, and who’s worse. Cruz says he has nothing to apologize for. Meanwhile Rubio and the Rubions acting so offended, even though Rubio did the same thing. That’s called hypocrisy my friend. Rubio is a very good one at being hypocritical. So, take a look in the mirror and ask were all your faux outrage over what Rubio. What’s that? I’m hearing crickets from you Rubions.

          • Pandabucks

            I saw both mailers, and as everyone knows (except you, apparently), Rubio’s was nowhere near as bad as Cruz’s. Catch up. That’s common knowledge.

            And yet, I still dislike Rubio’s mailer. And of course, you’ve never provided one hint of evidence I support Rubio–but you keep claiming it because you need a straw man to fight after all the points you keep losing.

            We’re done here, Bill. I’ll waste no more time with your tired schtick. I debate people who make points, not people who fight straw men and fling baseless insults.

            Buh-bye.

          • Bill

            LOL. Now , it’s a matter of degrees. You’re a tool buddy. Capt apologist when it’s your guy, whine like a baby when it’s someone else.

            How come you don’t have 100 comments about how you “still don’t like Rubio’s mailer”? You weren’t bashful criticizing Ted. Admit it, you’re a hypocrite.
            I’m not using straw men, I’ve cited facts. Now you are backtracking and trying to excuse your own candidates conduct.

            Your comments have had no substance other than “Cruz sucks, “I hate Cruz”. Oh wait, you even had to resort to name calling Cruz, calling him Mr. Principle in a sarcastic manner. You have nothing, and Rubio is going to lose tomorrow, so it’s time for you to begin to realize it’s the beginning of the end for the guy. Rubio isn’t going to win a state before Fla, and he might not win his home state, which is pretty comical. You’re a sore loser.

          • Pandabucks

            I oppose Rubio’s mailer, and I oppose Cruz’s mailer far more because it is far worse. Rubio will not win Iowa and no one ever thought he would. I don’t care because I don’t support him–only you seem to think I do, since for some reason you think that would help your childish arguments.

            Go away, Bill. We’re done here.

          • Bill

            Faux outrage on your part. It’s just an attempt to boost your candidate which is why you said nothing about Rubio’s mailer before you were called out for hypocrisy.

            Grow up. It’s an election, and you aren’t going to always like the tactics of the opponents. Try arguing about specific issues instead of feigning outrage over a minor deal which impacts a tiny percentage of the people even in Iowa, let alone the country.

            You’re just another low information voter who cares more about style than substance. Get some professional help, you are acting like a person who is unable to control his anger issues.

        • CyBu

          Typical Politician-

          • Pandabucks

            Sadly, yes.

    • sassygeorgiegirl

      it was his campaign. I highly doubt they asked him. Ernst and others did it in Iowa-and apparently it was effective. I’ve heard the Rubio camp is the one making the big deal about it. It’s not my favorite either, but they all send out urgent requests all the time. All of them….

      • Pandabucks

        The Rubio camp isn’t making the big deal. They should, but they’re not. No camp is. This is all concerned citizens calling out Mr. Principle for shaming and intimidating voters, then saying, “but others have done it.”

        That’s Mr. Principle’s principle: “But others have done it.”

        Gee, Mr. Principle, none of those others are in this primary…

      • CyBu

        IF Cruz campaign is doing things without his knowledge, how the heck can he handle being potus? HE CAN’T!

        • sassygeorgiegirl

          please. it’s a mailer…that many have used before him. Smart people vote on issues not dumb mailers.

    • Pandabucks

      He did it because he wanted to do it.

      Why is it so hard for people to see that Mr. Principle will dump principle and use “other people do it” as his excuse to embarrass voters and expose their voting scores to their neighbors?

      Mr. Principle uses his claim to principle for one purpose–conning good people like yourself into thinking he’s one of you.

    • Dottie Derewicz

      Extremely Harvard educated just like Obama. This is fraud my friend..telling an lie to get someone to vote for you through the mail is fraud..

    • Kawfy

      I agree…this was creepy to me…whether it was public record or not….sets me on edge

  • BigSky1970

    Steve Deace. Cruz supporter living in Denial, which is neither a river or a city in Iowa.

    • sassygeorgiegirl

      actually, once it was verified, he apologized-more than once. I could name a few that would never apologize. Just sayin’

      • Bill

        Correct. Deace had talked to another politico who told them they checked into it and told him it was a fake. He trusted this person. When he found out it was real he apologized and set the record straight. Anyone can look at his twitter page if they don’t believe it.

      • Dottie Derewicz

        On his page this morning..he never apologized and there is no statement that he apologized and that still does not make it right.. he can apologize until the cows come home..he committed fraud.

        • linnilu

          Lady, get a new song and dance. This one is getting over used and stale.

      • Pandabucks

        Why are you lying? He openly refused to apologize!
        My goodness, do Cruz supporters have ANY ethics at all????

        • sassygeorgiegirl

          helllloooo.. I was referring to steve deace. you Trump supporters sure like to assume a lot, don’t you. Of course, no doubting the Donald.

          • Pandabucks

            My bad, I thought you meant Cruz. But I’m not a Trump supporter at all.

  • http://youhavetobethistalltogoonthisride.blogspot.com/ keyboard jockey

    Stephen Miller @redsteeze

    I bet John Kasich’s dad could get to the

    bottom of this Cruz , mailer mystery

    10:20 PM – 29 Jan 2016

    I have this image of John Kasich using AOL and his Mailers start with: Hello You’ve Got Mail. And just like my father I want all Iowans to know I will deliver with the same outdated concepts.

  • Chandler/aka WordFollower

    He still has the best record as a conservative. He’s got a good reputation as someone who does what he says he’ll do. He’s not narcissistic and the establishment hates him. I don’t like this but I don’t think it’s as bad as being part of the Gang of Eight or calling his opponents losers. He’s still my guy.

    • Mark81150 school of the Duke

      I figure it falls into one of two categories.. it was sent with his complete approval.. or it was a move by someone in his campaign and he just gave a blanket defensive statement when it was brought to his attention…
      .
      I suspect he knew at least the basic details.. and while it made me uncomfortable too… it was a teensiest smidgeon of the missteps and open buffoonery of his liberal opponents actions..
      .
      those whining the loudest already hated Cruz with the heat of a super Nova anyway.. so it won’t have much of a negative affect I think… I mean really… they’ll shrilly condemn this mailer by Cruz’s campaign.. while the much more shameless demagogue emails by Hillary and Bernie the Communist Stalinist clown?… slip past them without comment.. .

      Let’s face it.. anyone who’d use this as an excuse to vote for the Treasonous Wicked Witch of the Northeast… is a flaming immoral moron anyway… a mean email vs a felony criminal exposure of states secrets email?
      .
      bitches please…. that’s weapons grade asshattery…

      • Chandler/aka WordFollower

        Yep. 3rd point nails it to the wall.

        • Pandabucks

          Yep, another supporter of Mr. Principle who will accept ANY excuse for throwing away principle and shaming and intimidating fellow Republican voters.

          Typical Cruz supporter. Zero principle. None at all.

          • Chandler/aka WordFollower

            He’s built up a pretty large sum in my moral bank account, and a couple of bucks will not make me drop him.
            Which candidate has their principles up to your obviously lofty standard?

          • Pandabucks

            You say “lofty standard” with more than a hint of mockery.
            Here’s my lofty standard for someone claiming to be a Christian:

            1. Do unto others: If you had never seen such a mailing, and you were elderly, how would you feel about having your name and a voter score shared with your neighbors? My elderly mother (now passed away) would have been deeply shaken.

            2. Wage war not as the world does: I would not use “others have done it” as an excuse to scare and shame fellow citizens.

            3. If your brother sins against you, go to him in private: I would not out my fellow Republicans with embarrassing scores before consulting them privately.

            4. Let your yes be yes and your no, no: I would certainly not participate in a plainly manipulative device designed to motivate through falsely conveyed threats of “issuing a new score after the Caucus.”

            I could go on, but in short, I would ask that Ted–who somehow claims to be a Christian–act like one.

            Too lofty for you?

          • Chandler/aka WordFollower

            For someone who doesn’t know me to claim I have no principles is a little arrogant and dismissive. I don’t appreciate the sentiment.
            I didn’t say I agreed with what he did, if he did indeed.

            Your number three is a bit presumptive, considering this went to numerous households. Not everyone is a brother. Even in the context of the Bible it’s meant for other Christians and if someone prays to a different God I don’t think they’re your brother.
            And yes, if you actually expect the humanity in others never to show, it is a bit lofty.

          • Pandabucks

            I wasn’t speaking to your principles. I was speaking to Ted’s.
            As for #3, understand that the clear implication of the “notice” is that someone has done something wrong, and prior to being consulted privately, is being outed publicly. The biblical principle holds, and should not be avoided because “not everyone is a brother.”

            Finally, I expect everyone’s humanity–including my own–to show. That, however, is no excuse for such blatant disregard for biblical principle. I would never think of doing something like this.

            Look at it this way, WordFollower: What if no one else had ever used such a mailer? Would you still be okay with a candidate doing it? Of course not. And yet, we’re supposed to look the other way when a “Christian” does it and uses the world as his excuse?

            WordFollower, there is simply no biblical support for Ted’s actions. I think you know this. I think you know it well.

          • Chandler/aka WordFollower

            “Typical Cruz supporter. Zero principle. None at all.”
            Not speaking to my principles? I beg to differ.
            I am not trying to supply a biblical reason for his actions. I’ve made that clear. Again, you don’t know me. Stop trying to assign motive to my words that don’t say what you think you’re reading. I don’t see where a biblical principle would hold any sway when we aren’t talking about confronting a fellow Christian regarding sin.
            In my eyes, his good far outweighs his bad. Period.

          • Pandabucks

            I was not speaking to your principles in the recent post to which you referred.

            You have provided no biblical defense for Ted’s actions. You can’t, because there isn’t any. Ted has blatantly disobeyed scriptural teaching with this mailing, and he simply doesn’t care.

            Why is that hard for you to see? And are you saying you can guarantee everyone receiving these mailings was not a Christian? And what of the fact that these mailings were specifically targeting people whom Cruz felt might caucus for him–do you think none of them were Christians?

            Of course, there’s no evidence Ted is a Christian, beyond his claim to be one (which means nothing–Mt. 7:21-23). So on that level, I guess it doesn’t matter that he was publicly shaming believers.

          • Chandler/aka WordFollower

            Why is it difficult for you to understand that in your very first reply to me specifically you said QUOTE “Typical Cruz supporter. Zero principle. None at all.” You were speaking to me. How else am I to interpret something that clear?
            Again, I said I wasn’t providing anything from the Bible to defend. You are correct that there is nothing I can remember that says anything about mailers. I see no scripture that he has violated either. How on earth is anyone that sends out mailers supposed to know there are Christians or not? Churches send out mailers all the time and there’s Matthew 7:6 that says: “Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.”
            The passage you keep harping on is Matthew 18:15. I see no correlation between one Christian trespassing against another. Apples and oranges, man. He’s not shaming believers and it’s ridiculous to compare a mailer on voting to a personal problem between two Christians.

            You’re behaving as if Cruz delivered a personal attack to your house.

          • Pandabucks

            I understand perfectly. My earlier post said you were unprincipled. My later one didn’t. I was staying with the flow of discussion, whereas you apparently were referring to an earlier stage of it. Fair enough.

            As for Ted, I have shown he violated scripture, and your attempts to show otherwise are wholly unconvincing. You simply support him and therefore hear what your itching ears wish to hear.

            I won’t waste more time attempting to reason with someone in that state.

          • Chandler/aka WordFollower

            Thank you. I see no scripture he’s violated. Yes I support him. Show me a better candidate, as I asked in my first reply to you.

          • Pandabucks

            I mentioned 4 that he’s clearly violated. You don’t care because your candidate means more to you than scripture.

            I’m not going to waste further time discussing scriptural principles with someone whose sole goal is to evade them and explain them away. My Lord means everything to me, and your disrespect for His clear principles is insulting.

            You were made for your candidate. Now please leave me alone.

          • Chandler/aka WordFollower

            Still waiting for a response saying who you think is better.
            P.S. Every time someone says “I’m done” usually isn’t.

      • Dottie Derewicz

        It is fraud..so a little bit of fraud compared to a whole lot of fraud is much better and how about forgetting that you are a Canadian citizen and how about forgetting about a million dollars..hmm.. i forgot to file what? And how about..omg.. that amnesty thing..I was just fooling on that.. I want to try to stop the gang of eight..but guess what those R’s weren’t going to vote for it anyway because Cantor lost his house seat and they got scared to approve amnesty because they would not get the votes to elect them again to lie to the people. And oh that first TPA vote was just a mistake on my part.. I had no idea what was going on when I was running around congress with Paul Ryan trying to muster up the 51 votes to get cloture..so God help me.. I wouldn’t have to vote the second time for TPA..Lies..Lies Lies..And that domininionst religion I guess believes it is ok to lie as long as it gets you in office..If Cruz were to get in..it would just be a continuation of Barack Obama only on steroids..welcome to the NAU.

        • Adam Wood

          Wow.

          Talk to your doctor about adjusting your medication.

      • Pandabucks

        He knew it, he acknowledged it, he refused to apologize for it.

        And what does Mark say in defense of Mr. Principle? That Hillary is worse? That people upset by this wouldn’t support Cruz anyway?

        Hey Mark, PEOPLE WHO CLAIM TO REPRESENT PRINCIPLE DON’T USE OTHERS AS EXCUSES FOR SHAMING AND INTIMIDATING FELLOW REPUBLICAN VOTERS.

        But you’re a Cruz supporter, so why am I talking to you about principle? You people will defend ANYTHING.

    • constitutionminded

      The establishment hates all of us too. That is a plus for Cruz.

      • Dottie Derewicz

        So now you great Christians are condoning lying as long as it isn’t the worst lie..geez.

        • grais

          What lies are in that mailer?

        • constitutionminded

          Nope, I never condone lying. Ane there are three sides to every story. Somewhere in the middle is the truth.

      • Pandabucks

        I love all these excuses for Mr. Principle to shame and intimidate your fellow Republicans in their homes.

        “But, but some others have done things like it in the past!”

        “But, but the establishment hates us!!!”

        Hey, people who really love principle don’t look for every excuse to dump it. My goodness, you Cruz supporters have no love for principle whatsoever. What a complete disgrace.

        • constitutionminded

          I haven’t claimed to be his supporter, just stating an observation.

          • Pandabucks

            Fair enough, but you still offer a defense for the indefensible.

          • constitutionminded

            I am not defending like you may think. Whether this was a dumb move or not time will tell. All I am saying is history repeats itself and he is not the first to do this.

          • Pandabucks

            But he claims to be principled, and principled people–by definition–do things solely because they are right, not because others have done them.

          • constitutionminded

            If you are looking for the perfect candidate you will come up disappointed. Politics is a nasty business.

        • ReeFungorio

          How much are you being paid per post?

          • Pandabucks

            $0.00.

            Why do you people try to comfort yourselves through accusing others of being paid?

    • Dottie Derewicz

      Haha..the best phony record of grandstanding and getting photo ops..Make excuses for him..he will spin his way out of it..just like every other lie he has told.

      • Chandler/aka WordFollower

        Haha! Yeah. He’s a real phony. Unlike Donald with the mop on his head, or Rubio saying one thing and doing quite another, Christie with his head up O’s butt, etc.
        Go down the line and tell me which guy you believe more?

  • Russ

    Anybody with two brain cells to rub together would see the mailing for what it is. I wouldn’t necessarily appreciate getting a mailing like that, even though the info is public information, but I sure as heck would recognize it as a get out the vote effort by the candidate. It’s not as if it was some sooper sekrit whose team sent it.

    • Michelle ✓classified

      Ed Zachary

    • LtUlrich

      Yeah, but it’s insulting. Like the ‘final notice’ spam calls about your credit accounts or ‘Microsoft’ calling because you have a ‘wirus’.

      • Russ

        Or the scam call from a bot or someone with an Indian accent who claims you’re being sued by the IRS. Yup, I get your point. If I received a mailing like that, I’d stash it with the rest of the junk mail for starting a fire in my fireplace.

    • Pandabucks

      Yet another excuse for Mr. Principle:

      “Yeah, it’s mean, but ‘anyone with two brain cells (another insult to these fellow Republican voters) would see the mailing for what it is.'”

      Hey Russ, imagine some elderly person who has never seen one of these before, and her name and voting record is graded for her neighbors to see. She’s deeply embarrassed and scared. And what does Russ say?

      “No problem! I support Mr. Principle! That means I accept ANY excuse for Mr. Principle to dump principle and intimidate little old ladies at home! All’s fair in politics, baby–even when no other GOP Primary candidate is doing this!”

      Look in the mirror. Literally, do it. Then tell yourself this is a principled way to live. Let’ see how long you can bear to look in that mirror.

      • Russ

        Stuff it, buddy.

        • Pandabucks

          That’s your comeback? Dude, you’re representing “Mr. Principle.” See if you can actually conjure up some principle and defend him.
          I’m serious, Russ. I care deeply for my fellow GOP voters, and I’d never do this to them. I sure wouldn’t do it while claiming to be Mr. Principle.

          • Russ

            Duuuuuude. I’m not a dude, which you would know if you’d been around here more than a day or two. From what I can tell, the only thing you “deeply care about” is trolling this forum. So, yeah, stuff it.

          • Pandabucks

            Who cares what your gender is? How is that a defense for Ted’s actions?

  • david letterman

    I WAS A CRUZ GUY, but he does too many stupid things. So I’ve been a TRUMP guy for a while. He also does stupid things, but at least he has done something with his life. Cruz’s biggest accomplishment is getting loans from Goldman Sachs and Citigroup.

    • Michelle ✓classified

      His accomplishments include having served as Texas Solicitor General, a US Senator, as well as an Assistant Deputy Attorney General for the Bush Administration. He’s also extremely and accurately educated on and passionate about the Constitution. He also introduced a bill about foreign ambassadors cannot be in this country if they have ties to a past that threatens our national security. His bill was signed into law and the ambassador Iran tried to send over was not allowed in – he was part of the Iran hostage situation in the 70’s. Cruz wrote the bill specifically to keep that particular Iranian ambassador out of this country and Iran-loving Obama signed it into law. That’s quite an accomplishment.

      You never were a “CRUZ GUY” if you think his only accomplishment is to get a loan. Trump can’t even manage to get a haircut. So, he’s a self made man, a billionaire…and that qualifies him for POTUS how?

      • LinTaylor ✓vitrified

        Trump can’t get haircuts; do you know what happens when you put a pair of scissors anywhere near a sleeping badger like that?

        • Michelle ✓classified

          Bwahahaha!! Haircut? Honey Badger don’t care.

      • david letterman

        @Michelle
        You missed my point entirely.
        Cruz is a hypocrite and a liar.
        1) How the F can Cruz be against Wall Street when his wife was working at Goldman Sachs and is now on leave? If Cruz doesn’t become POTUS, she will go back to Goldman. When I learned that CRUZ’s wife worked at Goldman, I wrote a letter to him saying that his wife should quit ASAP. She can work for any bank in the U.S. Why work at the bank that was dead center of the subprime “nuclear” meltdown? It makes no sense!!! She should work at any bank that didn’t take bailout money. You simply can’t be a crusader against Wall Street when your wife works at a bank that took a a sweetheart bailout. Moreover, perception matters, and Goldman is plutonium.
        2) Cruz is very very very smart. We all know that. Princeton and Harvard Law. And that is why it is clear that he lied when he failed to disclose his Goldman and Citigroup loan. That is a basic Clinton tactic. When I learned that Cruz used that b.s. excuse, I was repulsed. I left Cruz that day and never went back.
        3) I liked CRUZ from day one of learning about him. He was articulate, intelligent, and passionate. Unfortunately, he is largely just another politician. Would I vote for him over Killary? Of course. Not even close. But I’ll take Trump’s warts over Cruz’s skulduggery.
        4) In the grand scheme of things, Cruz has done very little with his life. Ben Carson has done a lot. He has saved lives. Trurmp has done a fair bit. He has employed thousands of people and put their kids through college. Cruz worked for one of the worst presidents of all time (Bush ’43). That is a negative in my book. Yes, he has worked on a few good bills and yes, he has some very good ideas, but those are hardly major accomplishments. Having a successful real estate career for a few decades and employing many people is a major accomplishment. Saving the lives of babies with brain tumors is a MAJOR accomplishment. Lying about loans is a disgrace.

        • Michelle ✓classified

          I didn’t miss your original point at all. You specifically said at least Trump has done something with his life and Cruz’ biggest accomplishment is to get loans from Wall Street. That was the extent of your original post. Now you’ve expanded your point to include additional commentary, but that doesn’t mean your original point was misunderstood as written.

          I don’t care for whom you vote or why, I was correcting you on Cruz’ ‘biggest accomplishment’.

          • david letterman

            Yes, I realize sarcasm mixed with some hyperbole is not always understood over the internet.

            Yes, Cruz has done some good things, but they pale, in the grand scheme of things to many others. And no one comes close to Dr. Carson. And I am not a Carson guy though I do admire him. I was a Cruz guy I took the time to write him a letter about his wife and to give him other advice. Many friends and relatives back Cruz today because I was so fond of him and so forceful in my defense of his personality. Though dis appointed, I still backed him even though his wife wouldn’t quit Goldman. But the Wall Street loans were a bridge too far.

          • Michelle ✓classified

            Cruz disclosed the loans on his personal financials and completed one of a two part process to include disclosure in campaign financials. Since loans are an important aspect to you, what are your thoughts on Trump’s four bankruptcies where he repeatedly ran up debt, filed Chapter 11 and as part of the reorganization of each filing, he either handed partial ownership to the bank, had large portions of his debt excused, interest rates drops or walked away completely. You have no issue with that? A man who runs up debt, cries Uncle and doesn’t ever pay it all back?

          • david letterman

            CRUZ FAILED TO DISCLOSE THE LOANS WHEN HE RAN FOR SENATE. HE ADMITTED THAT. HE SAID IT WAS A MISTAKE. I SAY HE WAS A LIAR AS CRUZ IS TOO SMART TO MAKE A MISTAKE LIKE THAT.

            As for Trump, while bankruptcy is certainly not a good thing, bankruptcy is a legal process, and many people (smart and dumb) have declared bankruptcy. One of the great things about America (unlike Europe) is that you can fail and come back. In Europe, bankruptcy is really regarded as a Scarlet Letter, and that is why there is much less risk taking. That is also why Europe is falling behind in terms of innovation. Generally, you can’t win big unless you take real risk.

            Also, I believe Trump’s bankruptcies were related to his casinos. And many casino operators in Atlantic City have gone bankrupt. Trump is not unique in this regard.

            Lastly, Trump has been humbled by his bankruptcies. He has certainly learned that too much debt is a bad thing. Trump learned his lessons personally and professionally. And that is why he is probably the best person to take on our 19 trillion in debt. Trump knows finance. Trump knows interest rates. Trump knows financial statements. And Trump knows how to negotiate. Since we have $19 Trillion and counting, Trump seems like the best person for these dark times.

            Trump knows the true cost of too much debt and bankruptcy. And that is why, over everything else, I am voting FOR HIM, NOT AGAINST HIM.

          • tops116 ✓Quipper

            “As for Trump, while bankruptcy is certainly not a good thing, bankruptcy is a legal process”

            And in that process, Trump declared bankruptcy to fend off creditors. Oh well, it’s not like the guy with four bankruptcies is claiming his being a businessman qualifies him to be president. Oh, wait…

            “Also, I believe Trump’s bankruptcies were related to his casinos. And many casino operators in Atlantic City have gone bankrupt. Trump is not unique in this regard.”

            Careful, you might throw your back out from moving those goalposts.

            “Lastly, Trump has been humbled”

            “And Trump knows how to negotiate.”

            As evidenced by the fact that he failed to have Megyn Kelly booted from the last debate, right?

            “Trump knows the true cost of too much debt and bankruptcy. And that is why, over everything else, I am voting FOR HIM, NOT AGAINST HIM.”

            Yeah, you be proud to vote for the guy with multiple bankruptcies.

          • david letterman

            The #1 Reason Why Donald Trump Is What America Needs (And Deserves)
            Submitted by Simon Black via SovereignMan.com,

            Just a few weeks ago, US talk show host Stephen Colbert was asked if he thought that Donald Trump had a chance of becoming President of the United States.

            Colbert responded sincerely. “Honestly, he could. And that’s not an opinion of Trump. That’s my opinion of our nation.”

            He’s right. The Land of the Free may very well be ready for something completely different. And Trump certainly seems able to deliver.

            He is, after all, unique in his field. Donald Trump has never served in politics, and his blunt style is almost the exact opposite of every other major candidate.

            But there’s one thing that really sets him apart, that, in my opinion, makes him the most qualified person for the job:

            When the going gets tough, Trump stiffs his creditors. He’s done it four times!

            Candidly, this is precisely what the Land of the Free needs right now: someone who can stop beating around the bush and just get on with it already.

            As history shows, a default is inevitable.

            The calculus is quite simple: when governments take on too much debt, they start having to divert a huge amount of their tax revenue just to pay interest.

            This means that, at a minimum, the government has to sacrifice many of the promises they made to their citizens. They cut other programs in order to have enough money to pay interest.

            But that’s not too popular. So instead they typically just borrow more money… until they’re borrowing money just to pay interest on money they’ve already borrowed.

            This makes the problem exponentially worse.

            Debt skyrockets. And soon the government is spending more on interest payments than national defense. (The US is almost at this point).

            Eventually a bankrupt government has no choice: either default on their bondholders, or default on the obligations they made to their citizens. Or both.

            This could take the form of a ‘selective default’. For example, the US government could default on the $2.4 trillion that it owes the Federal Reserve.

            Or the $1.2 trillion that it owes China.

            These are both possibilities.

            But the prospect of default on “risk free” US government bonds would throw the global financial system into a tailspin; not to mention it would be the final nail in the coffin for the US dollar’s dominant reserve status.

            Fortunately there are easier options for Uncle Sam.

            The biggest debts that are owed by the US government are the obligations they owe to you.

            Specifically, all the benefits like Social Security and Medicare they promised to American taxpayers.

            The US government’s own numbers estimate these obligations at nearly $42 TRILLION, completely dwarfing what they owe China, or anyone else.

            Then there’s the obligation they have to preserve the purchasing power of the $12 trillion held by the American people.

            That’s the current value of the money supply in the United States right now.

            History shows that debasing a nation’s currency is one of the easiest and most effective ways for bankrupt governments to plunder their citizens’ wealth, little by little over time.

            As I explain in today’s podcast, the hard reality that most people don’t seem to get is that the US government is bankrupt.

            This isn’t some wild assertion or conspiracy theory; their own financial statements show that the government’s ‘net worth’ is NEGATIVE $17.7 trillion.

            And yes, the US is already borrowing money just to pay interest.

            In fact the combined expenses of interest on the debt plus mandatory entitlements like Social Security nearly exceed their entire tax revenue.

            In other words, you could eliminate nearly everything we think of as government– the EPA, the IRS, Homeland Security, etc. and it wouldn’t make a dent in the national debt.

            When things get this dire, it doesn’t matter who sits in the chair.

            You might as well elect a chimpanzee in the hopes that Mister Bubbles might accelerate the decline.

            Donald Trump may very well be that chimpanzee. Especially given his unparalleled experience in declaring bankruptcy.

            Nations that pass the economic point of no return can’t rebuild until they hit rock bottom.

            And the US is way past that point. So let’s get on with it already and hit the reset button.

          • david letterman

            I’ll take Trump’s four bankruptcies….

            Truman — a failed small businessman

            JFK – his father made the fortune a s bootlegger, and Wall Street cheat and swindler; pro-Nazi; involved in many shady business deals and murders; killed his arch rival Hollywood theater competitor

            LBJ – Vietnam war profiteer; helped kill JFK with CIA; killed at least 12 people using hired guns (including his own sister)

            Nixon – what laws didn’t he break?

            Carter – a failed peanut farmer

            Reagan – a bad actor

            Bush ’41 – inherited a shady Wall Street and Nazi fortune from Nazi father Prescott; war profiteer; ran the CIA drug and arms smuggling business; Iran-Contra; BCCI; corrupt business deals all his life; Carlyle Group (9/11)

            Clinton – Whitewater; cattle futures trading; other shady business deals; corrupt speaking fees and pay for play deals

            Bush ’43 – inherited dubious fortune; sweetheart Rangers baseball deal based entirely on his last name and connections; failed oil man (many times over); bad CEO of a Carlyle Company; war profiteer (Iraq, Afghanistan)

            Obama – shady real estate deal to buy house; represented a slum landlord; Rezco; ghostwritten books

          • Dottie Derewicz

            It is restructuring and helps to save jobs as well. Trump was not in charge of the businesses at time either..But having said that..it was during the time our whole economic system was in a down turn.Trump went in..restructured got the businesses back on their feet and saved jobs. This is becoming deflection by Cruz people to try to save his hide. I hope and pray that Iowans understand that he was using them and walk away from ever, ever voting for him..he is a Harvard polished politician, plain and simple.

          • david letterman

            Trump isn’t perfect. Not by a long shot. But I think he is our best hope for meaningful change in DC.
            Cruz is my number #2 pick.
            I still wouldn’t mind a Trump/Cruz ticket.
            I just prefer Trump to Cruz.
            And Trump will no doubt take it to Killary and not pull any punches.

          • david letterman

            Also, Trump didn’t just cry uncle. He did lose billions of dollars. This is quite different from Wall Street where many bankers didn’t lose and actually got bonuses as their banks failed. And they got to keep their big winnings as they were never taken to court. Now that is unfair. Trump didn’t get sweetheart deals like the bankers.

          • Dottie Derewicz

            He has you fooled totally..You Cruz people seriously have a problem. Filing chapter 11 has been done by business people for decades..it is a restructuring device that is legal and done to get the business back on track and save fobs..You are listening to the lawyer again..they are good at lying and twisting the truth nd the law.

          • Michelle ✓classified

            I’m fooled by no candidate and neither am I a “Cruz people”. I understand what Chapter 11. Enjoy your day.

        • thetreyman

          Trump is owned by a Saudi Prince that has bailed him out several times. Trump took the money so if you are consistent then you must conclude the Saudis own him.

          • david letterman

            NO. Trump and the Saudi Prince can’t stand each other. They are engaged in a Twitter war. The Prince bought Trump’s boat. Big deal. Boats are bought and sold all the time. If you think the Prince owns Trump, you don’t know the Prince and you sure as hell don’t know Trump.
            However, the Saudi Royal Family does control the Bush Clan. It has been doing shady business deals with the Bushies for decades. The Saudi Royal Family and the Bush clan are practically relatives. Read up on Prince Bandar and Bush ’41 and Bush ’42 and the other Bush brothers.

          • thetreyman

            the fables the Trumpkin can make up in his mind to justify anything Trump does are endless. exactly what do you call this new religion to which you subscribe?

          • thetreyman

            also, think about what you just wrote. the guy you are supporting for PRESIDENT is “engaged in a Twitter war”. ARE. YOU. SERIOUS. please explain to me how i, or the rest of the world, are supposed to EVER take this man seriously? WTF is wrong with you people? you are literally supporting a man running for PRESIDENT that is acting like a 14 year old. “ENGAGED IN A TWITTER WAR” no words on what this says about you. amazing. just amazing. SMDH

          • david letterman

            And who is more corruptible today? Trump with his billions or Cruz with his debts? Think about it!

          • aztectrumpet

            Didn’t expect people to start endorsing a candadate because they are rich.

          • david letterman

            Of course not. And don’t expect people to believe that you can get a sweetheart loan from Goldman Sachs and not have strings attached.

          • thetreyman

            Trump. Trump is always the most corruptible aside from Hillary. FYI, Cruz doesn’t owe anything on the loans, they were paid off. did Donald Duck pay off all his debts? if not, any money owed must mean the lender owns him. that’s Trumpkin logic right there.

          • david letterman

            You don’t understand Goldman Sachs.
            Goldman Sachs does not give loans to just anyone. Just to be a Goldman client, you need at least $25 million;. I know several people who were TURNED DOWN BY GOLDMAN SACHS AS A CLIENT. THEY WERE TOLD TO COME BACK WHEN THEY HAD $50 MILLION. And when Goldman says $50 million, G.S. means liquid net worth, not real estate.
            So how did Cruz get a special loan from Goldman Sachs???
            1) Cruz is a politician and Goldman Sachs LOVES CONTROLLING POLITICIANS. THAT IS ACTUALLY ONE OF GOLDMAN’S OPERATING PRINCIPLES. Control the guys who write the laws and run the investigations when they break laws.
            2) Cruz’s wife worked at Goldman and she is today on leave. Are you kidding me??? How can Cruz rant and rave about the bloodsucking Wall Street bankers and be married to one??? She is the mother of his children!!!! There is hypocrisy and then there is rank hypocrisy. This is the latter. It is one thing to date a Goldman banker, but how could Cruz not insist that she not be a Goldman banker as his wife???
            3) Goldman Sachs would never give Cruz a loan without expecting good treatment in the future. Even if Cruz THINKS that he can fend off Goldman, he is dead wrong and incredibly naive. Goldman always gets what it wants. Always.

          • thetreyman

            she worked there. it’s tantamount to a 401k loan where you borrow against your stock assets. it was also paid back. no remaining debt. enjoy your nothing burger.

          • david letterman

            AND WHY IS SHE WORKING AT GOLDMAN SACHS?????
            Why work at the most evil investment bank in the world?
            Why did she not quit before he announced he was running for POTUS?
            Why did she not quit even before he announced he was running for Senate?
            Goldman Sachs is CORRUPT TO THE BONE.
            Why wouldn’t she work at any other bank that wasn’t bailed out?
            Either Cruz thinks he is too clever or he thinks we are too dumb.

          • thetreyman

            psst. there’s nothing wrong with working for Goldman Sachs.

          • david letterman

            Go see the movie The Big Short. Report back.

          • thetreyman

            i know how capitalism works. shame others couldn’t see it.

          • david letterman

            IF YOU KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THE SUBPRIME CRISIS, then you know that Goldman Sachs was the Darth Vader of the entire sick enterprise.

            Goldman Sachs sold packages of crappy mortgages to customers, then had others customers bet against the packages it just sold. Goldman also made money for itself by shorting subprime directly. Goldman clearly did not properly disclose the risks. Goldman violated its fiduciary responsibility.

            And when Goldman realized that it could never get paid for certain trades, it made sure that AIG was bailed out 100 cents on the dollar.

            Goldman lied and cheated and nearly destroyed America (along with other crooked investment banks).

            Many Goldman executives, bankers and traders should be in jail today. And Robert Rubin should be in jail as well.

          • thetreyman

            actually, government was the “Darth Vader”. specifically, progressives in government. but you go ahead and support a progressive for president. good luck with that.

          • david letterman

            You are such a clueless tool. Why are you giving Goldman a free pass? Clearly, Goldman did very evil things leading up to and during subprime. The only reason Goldman wasn’t wiped was because Hank Paulson and the FED and Buffett came to its rescue. Goldman was effectively bankrupt. The world would be a much better place without Goldman. You are simply a tool for Goldman. Meanwhile, the the leadership of Goldman is going to vote for Killary!!!. They are limousine liberals who pretend to be concerned about the wealth gap, but shelter their income and bonuses in offshore accounts. Goldman is run by dishonest progressives. They are biggest and sleaziest hypocrites in the country.
            And the revolving door between the Goldman, the FED, and the Treasury is destroying America. You don’t want to own up to it because you are part of the problem.
            As for me, I will be voting for Trump first, Cruz second. Are they progressives?
            You are an idiot and a schmuck.
            P.S. I am all for capitalism. But I am 100% against crony capitalism and limousine liberals.

          • thetreyman

            why are you giving government a pass? it’s the root of the problem.

          • david letterman

            I A NOT GIVING GOVT. A PASS. I DETEST GOVT. Glass-Steagall should never have been repealed. Fannie and Freedie were incredibly corrupt. HUD is probably still incredibly corrupt. I blame, among many in govt., Bill Clinton, Greenspan, Rubin, Summers, Barney Frank, etc. They all share responsibility for the debacle. And I blame Bush ’43 for being a housing cheerleader, and for not replacing Greenspan.
            And I blame the FED for helping to create the bubble then doing nothing about it!!!
            But just because govt. is stupid and corrupt does mean that the bankers are off the hook!!!
            The banksters are just an arm of the government.
            And the government is just an arm of the banksters.
            That is why it is called CRONY CAPITALISM.
            Wall Street breaks laws, and government gives the banksters a get out of jail card.
            And why do they do this??? Because the banksters finance the politicians. And the government actually hires banksters for tours of duty.
            So in the end, all three groups, the banksters, the govt. and the FED are to blame.
            And not a single big fish went to jail.
            And not a single big fish was banned from Wall Street.

            But in the final analysis, who actually completely ignored/TRASHED their fiduciary responsibility to both shareholders and customers — THE BANKSTERS….

            And who is financing Killary Clinton —- THE BANKSTERS.

            And who got rid of Glass-Steagall —- BILL CLINTON

          • david letterman

            And I like Cruz. I think he would be a good POTUS. I just don’t appreciate his tin ear. It’s a joke to say you are going to take on Wall Street when your wife works at the worst ban, on the planet. It just doesn’t pass the simple logic test.

          • Dottie Derewicz

            Where is your source..that is stupid..Trump is worth a net of 10 billion..why would he be owned by anyone..where the heck do you get all this stuff. You want to get sued for false accusations..really?

          • thetreyman

            the Saudi Prince is my source. also, Donald Duck isn’t worth 10 billion and what he is worth is mostly branding and assets, it’s not liquid. so when he has a project, he has to take on debt to fund it. do you really know that little about how he operates his business? if he didn’t take on debt then there wouldn’t be any bankruptcies. bankruptcies get you out from under your creditors. you can’t have creditors if you have no debt. there, you just got your first business lesson.

          • ReeFungorio

            LOL you’re an idiot.

        • constitutionminded

          He put it on one form but not on the other. Could be an honest mistake. So much paperwork in this day and age we all mess up. He admitted it so I assume he corrected it and wasn’t brought up on charges or sent to jail. Must not have been a real big thing except to reporters.

          • david letterman

            CRUZ has argued many times before the Supreme Court; it was no accident; plus his wife is a banker; how do BOTH of them miss it????
            Come on!!!!
            Think!!!!!

            FROM GUARDIAN
            Ted Cruz failed to disclose loans that helped finance 2012 Senate campaign

            The borrowed money totaling as much as $1m included funds from Citibank and Goldman Sachs, where his wife is an employee

            Republican presidential candidate Ted Cruz failed to disclose on federal fundraising reports that he relied on $1m in loans to help finance his 2012 Senate campaign.

            The borrowed money included a sum from Goldman Sachs, where his wife, Heidi Cruz, is an employee.

            The senator’s 2016 campaign spokeswoman, Catherine Frazier, called the failure to report those loans on fundraising documents, as required, a “mistake”. She said on Wednesday that the campaign is seeking guidance from federal regulators on how to update the old reports.

            On Thursday she added: “As Senator Cruz has said before, he used his personal savings to help fund his Senate campaign – it has been widely reported in the past. He did so by liquidating his savings, selling stocks and borrowing against an equity account.

            “These transactions have been reported in one way or another on his many public financial disclosures and the Senate campaign’s FEC reports. While the details of these transactions have been entirely transparent for years, it has come to our attention that one of these transactions may inadvertently not have been listed exactly the way the FEC requires.”

            She added: “We are going to contact the FEC to determine if that’s the case, and, if necessary, we’ll be happy to update the reports from the 2012 election cycle.”

            Cruz learned he should have disclosed the loans as part of his fundraising from a New York Times reporter, who published a story on the matter late on Wednesday. The Times described the loans as totaling as much as $1m from Goldman and Citibank and said they were paid down in late 2012. Frazier did not dispute those details.

            Frazier said Cruz has made no secret of the loans, pointing to their disclosure later in separate personal financial reports required of all federal elected officials.

            Yet Cruz has never mentioned the loans on the 2016 campaign trail. Instead, he has said that he and his wife liquidated “our entire net worth” to finance his underdog Senate bid.

            The Associated Press contributed to this report

          • Adam Wood

            How much is Trump paying you to spew your tired old debunked garbage?

          • david letterman

            Ha!!!
            I have donated the max to Cruz’s campaign.
            I have donated nothing to Trump. Zero. Zilch. And I won’t be donating to Trump as he is self-funding.
            Cruz was my #1 until I learned of the loans.
            Trump was my #2 until I learned of the of the loans.
            Now Trump is #1, Cruz is number #2, Carson is #3.
            If you think I’ve been bought off, that is ludicrous.
            I like Cruz a great deal, and I would vote for Cruz is he is the Republican candidate.
            And I like Cruz enough that I would like Trump to make him VP if it comes to that.
            I’ll tell you want I am not:
            1) a RINO.
            2) Stupid and/or naive.
            3) For sale.

        • aztectrumpet

          “I WAS A CRUZ GUY”
          “I’ve been a TRUMP guy for a while.”
          “Cruz worked for one of the worst presidents of all time (Bush ’43).”

          Definitely don’t believe you were ever a Cruz guy.

          • david letterman

            Whether you believe it or not, I don’t care.
            But I did send Cruz a long letter that took me a weekend to write. And I sent it FedEX.
            And I did so because I was backing Cruz and didn’t want to see him make the classic mistakes. And I wanted his wife to quit Goldman in order to protect that flank.
            This was the only letter I’ve ever written to a politician.
            So I spent lots of time… because I cared.
            And in the letter, I told Cruz that I was backing him and why.
            And lastly, I donated money to Cruz. I have only donated money to two other politicians before this, and they were in Congressional races.
            So Cruz is the first person I ever donated to who was running for POTUS.
            And I gave the max permitted by law.

          • linnilu

            So, you are really just pissy because Cruz didn’t drop everything and pay attention to your advice. Okay, got it now.

          • linnilu

            Bingo

        • forked

          I work at one of the big Wall Street firms. I even have an impressive sounding title that means nothing. I have zero input on how the firm does business. I was against the bailouts (which included my firm) in 2008. I’ll be against any future attempts at bailouts.

          Just because you work somewhere doesn’t mean you automatically agree with the leadership’s political decisions or can’t put your country above your company. We might be in the minority but we exist.

          Judging by Sen Cruz’s actions in the Senate, he is one of those people too. He could have ‘gone along to get along’ but he didn’t. Repeatedly. As critical as Iowa is to his campaign, he could have supported Ethanol subsidies like Trump. He didn’t.

          And loans are not campaign contributions.

          The notion that Cruz can be controlled by anyone is laughable.

          • david letterman

            UGGGHHH!!!!!
            1) CRUZ is very smart. Princeton and Harvard. Top lawyer. Blah blah blah. He should have known better not to take a sweetheart loan from Goldman Sachs. Everyone knows that G.S. was dead center of the subprime meltdown. It’s even in the book and movie THE BIG SHORT. So Cruz was very very very stupid to take the loan in the first place. Why create THE APPEARANCE OF A CONFLICT OF INTEREST??? It makes no sense. Cruz should have run away from that sweetheart loan as fast as possible. Did he get bad advice from his wife? Did he simply have a tin ear? Does he think the average person is just very stupid? I don’t know. But he should have ran away from G.S.
            2) Then Cruz fails to report the loan!!!! Good God, how dumb does he think we are? A mistake? NO. Top lawyers like Cruz with banker wives don’t make mistakes like that. That is the last thing they do. Cruz goes with the Killary excuse— it was an oversight… blah blah blah. This sounds like the Clinton Fondation!!!! Ted Cruz doesn’t make oversights like this. Ted Cruz is maniacal with details like this. It stinks in the worst way.
            3) Why did Ted not simply get loans from regular (non Wall Street bailed out banks). There are plenty of them. He could have even gone to JP Morgan Chase which did not receive a regular bailout. JP Morgan got screwed because the FED forced a shotgun merger with Bear Stearns. And there are plenty of smaller banks which received no bailouts.
            And why did Ted not have his wife leave G.S.? Again, there are plenty of other banks. Why work for the Darth Vader of banks?
            4) So while Ted may be able to resist Goldman Sachs, Ted failed to fill out the FEC form correctly, and Ted failed to handle the optics of the entire affair. Appearances matter. Politicians know that. And G.S. is the single worst offender of the public trust. Even worse than Citigroup which was Rubin’s piggy bank.
            5) Cruz held himself up to above reproach. And I respect that. But it comes with a cost. And that means zero mistakes in this key area. You simply can’t take on Wall Street with any real credibility when you are talking sweetheart loans from Wall Street, where your wife works!!!!

      • Dottie Derewicz

        NO..he is smart he doesn’t want to support and bought and paid for politician who has no problem lying..sounds like the same thing we have had in there for decades..He is a Canadian anyway and not eligible..has tons of lawsuits and will have more..You Cruz people would believe anything..You would probably have loved Jim Jones.

        • Adam Wood

          Great. Birther bullshit. Trumpeters are getting ever more desperate.

        • Michelle ✓classified

          I get it Dottiekins, I get it. You’re a “Trump people” and it’s OK that not everyone likes him. You should learn to be OK with that and stop making assumptions about people with whom you disagree. Cruz is eligible since he is in fact a natural born citizen of the United States of America. And he’s not a Canadian. He was, but not anymore. People like you are exactly what turns others off the Trump.

          • linnilu

            As to your last sentence, yes, yes, YES!

      • Pandabucks

        Michelle, are you okay with Mr. Principle shaming and intimidating little old ladies at home with vicious mailings, then writing it off with “others have done it”–when no one else is doing it in this primary?

        Just want to see how quick you are to excuse Mr. Principle dumping principles.

        • Michelle ✓classified

          It’s public information. I have no issues with any politician doing it. I’d have an issue if it were private information, but it’s not.

          • Pandabucks

            Ooooohhhh, I see! Since it can be publicly rounded up, you’re fine with publishing it in mailers and embarrassing little old ladies in their neighborhoods!

            Tell me, I know Cruz followers don’t care about biblical standards, but are there ANY standards of conduct for your cult beyond “We can legally get away with it”?

            Because let me tell you something: If you did this to my mother, I’d be absolutely furious. Tell me, would you like others to do things that would make you absolutely furious?

            Oh wait–there I go with a biblical standard again. I forgot I’m talking to a member of Cruz’s “but other people have done it” cult.

            My bad.

          • Michelle ✓classified

            Dude, take your nonsense and performance elsewhere. I’m not a “Cruz follower” and belong to no cult. You’re boring and dismissed.

          • Pandabucks

            I haven’t performed once. I’ve said exactly what I feel. This is disgusting, and I’m ashamed of supposed conservatives excusing it. That’s why I call it a cult–because cults always use any excuse for their leaders.

          • Michelle ✓classified

            Aha! I think we’ve discovered the source of your problem. You’re assuming I’m a Conservative. I’m not a Conservative. Heck, I’m not even a Republican. Why don’t you just quit while you’re behind?

          • Pandabucks

            Now this intrigues me. If you don’t mind my asking, what are you?

          • Michelle ✓classified

            Independent, no party. Decide my vote based on the individual candidate most in line with my beliefs.

          • Pandabucks

            Fair enough.

      • linnilu

        Thank you, you beat me to it by quite a ways. And this “David Letterman” was a Cruz guy about like the real one would be.

    • Buckaroo Banzai

      If I’m not mistaken, Cruz has not done “many stupid things.” He’s run a pretty smart campaign, so far. With all due respect, I simply don’t believe you were a “CRUZ GUY.”

      • Aparition42

        He’s done a few questionable things for sure. I personally think the “Rubio is the Republican Obama” ads are a mistake. I’ve been pretty consistently disappointed with Senator Cruz’s politics as usual style so far, but at least he hasn’t changed his mind on Ethanol subsidies.

    • constitutionminded

      Come on, we all have gotten loans. As long as he paid it back why worry. Heck, Trump went bankrupt, what, four time. Be glad you aren’t one of his investors.

      • atheistSharesYourMorals

        I took out a sizable loan from Wells Fargo.. Yes, they are evil bastards (i.e. part of the globalist New World Order), but I needed the money. Now I have to spend the rest of my life trying to redeem myself. 🙂

      • david letterman

        I never said Trump is perfect. There is no perfect candidate. All have warts

    • tops116 ✓Quipper

      “So I’ve been a TRUMP guy for a while.”

      No standards, huh? Sad really.

      “He also does stupid things, but at least he has done something with his life. ”

      Like abusing eminent domain and declaring bankruptcy to avoid creditors.

      “Cruz’s biggest accomplishment is getting loans from Goldman Sachs and Citigroup.”

      Whereas Trump owes money to every bank in New York. He’s also a Goldman Sachs shareholder, so have fun with that.

      • constitutionminded

        Did Cruz offer to shoot someone?

      • david letterman

        Trump is not perfect. Far from it. But I believe he is the best of the group. and infinitely better than Killary.

        Who are you voting for????????

  • Hamburger Hero

    Wow, this is pretty low. Cruz is really getting desperate. Damn.

  • wrestlefan01

    how many who are on cruz case about this will still vote fro trump even if he shot someone on a busy street?

    • constitutionminded

      Shame he didn’t say downtown Des Moines.

  • wrestlefan01

    if trump can be leading in the polls then kanye running isnt really anything to laugh about..people will support him if they will support some reality tv show clown

    • Hamburger Hero

      Dude, Trump is gonna win Iowa.

      I’m not a Trump supporter. Just being real.

      • http://youhavetobethistalltogoonthisride.blogspot.com/ keyboard jockey

        Actually they are tied within the margin of error.

        • tops116 ✓Quipper

          Polls are meaningless, especially in a state known for having such unexpected results. (Remember Santorum polling third and then winning the state in 2012?) That’s why I’m taking all that talk of a Rubio surge with a grain of salt. It’s GOTV that really matters, especially with it due to snow that night.

          • Aparition42

            Add to that the fact that only about 50% of Republican winners in Iowa go on to win the nomination, and you really have to wonder why such a big deal is made over a caucus that only represents 1-3% of Iowans. The vast majority of Caucus voters are Ethanol lobbyists with no other interests in the outcome.

            Every four years we have to witness the embarrassment of our party falling all over themselves to worship the corn gods just so they can “show momentum” at the start of the primary season. To have so many “outsiders” running, there sure is a lot of politics as usual going on in the Hawkeye state.

    • MoxieLouise1

      Just think of it. Snookie, JWow, Honey BooBoo, Caitlyn Jenner, Mia Farrow, Pajamaboy, Rachael Maddow…the possibilities are endless. **shudder**

  • Leroy Whitby

    Oh, my! A mailer! Shocking. Clutch pearls. Faint on couch.

  • ToyZebra

    That doesn’t sound like it was a good design. But then again, most political fundraising letters talk to you like a first grade teacher talks to the special class.

  • Sketti

    Stupid mailer, still gonna vote for Cruz.

    Cruz 2016

  • Dwayne Mountain Dew Camacho

    This would cause me to vote…

    for someone else.

    It also is a real legitimate reason…why government should not be keeping records on Americans….pretty soon…they will be “shaming” you with how much water you use, how much you dont watch gay’s on TV…and how much you pay in taxes.

    I am not a fan of this course of action…and I like Cruz.

    • Sketti

      Right, you just said pretty much the same thing under a different name (David Letterman). Didn’t believe you then either.

  • Dan Abbett

    I am a strong Cruz supporter but whoever thought this one up definitely has a screw loose. It’s insulting, it stigmatizes people who for whatever reason choose to sit out an election. Not cool Sen. Cruz, major tactical error.

    • Sketti

      ^ Another fake/Troll account! /rollseyes

      • Dan Abbett

        Funny that. I support Cruz on Breitbart and I get all kinds of insults from the Trumpettes. If I make a personal observation about the political strategy of Cruz, I get insulted here. To my critics in both camps, sit on it, I intend to make my points regardless.

        • Sketti

          Sorry Dan, wasn’t talking about/to you. Apparently my DisQus is all messed up, not even posting comments in right place/order.

          • Dan Abbett

            Yeah, mine is on the whack as well. A little weary I guess from all the insults I receive on the Breitbart page.

          • tops116 ✓Quipper

            Free piece of advice, Dan: when posting on Breitbart, never read the responses. Nine times out of ten, it’ll be someone not worth the trouble of trying to debate and who just wants to lobby insults because they can’t defend their own position. Just post your criticisms and leave it at that. Dissenting viewpoints are a greater insult than anything else for the Trump supporters there.

          • atheistSharesYourMorals

            When Trump announced his candidacy, a flood poured into Breitbart comments (with bumper-sticker slogans), and constitutional discussions evaporated almost completely.

          • linnilu

            Trump supporters everywhere.

        • constitutionminded

          Take a trip over to the HILL and really get pounded for your ideas. They even delete your discussions. I go once a week just to have fun now.

  • globalcrap

    cruising with Cruz

  • kayerob

    The Mailer Was Sleezy But
    His Answer To It Is Typical Lawyer Sleeze. Shows Why People Don’t Trust Him. Guess His Campaign Forgor About The twitterverse

  • Michelle ✓classified

    If someone would decide not to vote for Cruz simply because of this mailer and will instead vote for Trump (Obama 2.white) or Rubio who will do jackshit about illegal immigration and will not secure our borders…then that person doesn’t give a rat’s (_)_) about this country or fellow Americans. If you don’t wanna vote for Cruz, don’t vote for Cruz…but to make that decision based on a fecking mailer? FFS.

    • tops116 ✓Quipper

      “that person doesn’t give a rat’s (_)_) about this country or fellow Americans”

      That is so full of shit. Who are you to tell the people who received this mailer how to feel or to question their patriotism? I agree that not caucusing for Cruz because of this mailer thing is an overreaction, but to question the patriotism of people who feel that way is brazenly idiotic, an affront to free speech, and acting like a liberal. For fuck’s sake indeed.

      • Michelle ✓classified

        “Who are you to tell the people who received this mailer how to feel or to question their patriotism?”

        I actually didn’t tell anyone how to feel. I gave my opinion of their decisions. And I’ll repeat it – anyone who will decide their vote based on one mailer doesn’t give a shit about this country. The appropriateness of mailing a piece of paper is how folks decide POTUS these days?

        Sounds like a good idea to just ignore me from now on if my opinions upset you so much. I know I’ll be doing that with you considering you just treated me the exact same way that caused you to get upset with my comment when I did it. Take care tops.

    • constitutionminded

      If they change their mind based on this they most likely wouldn’t have voted for him anyway.

      • Michelle ✓classified

        Right? I didn’t give up on Trump until I gave him clean slate after clean slate, benefit of the doubt X 20, etc. Repeat offender – scratched off my list. People saying they were with Cruz until this? Bullshit. They never considered him. Had this been done with private info, sure – be mad and turn your back on him. But FFS, it’s all public info. And I have no problem shaming people into voting. Folks staying home last election because Romney wasn’t (R) enough is what allowed Obama to get re-elected.

        • constitutionminded

          I know, but the real blame belongs to the GOPe.

          • Michelle ✓classified

            They had him treat Obama with kid gloves in the debates, even when Obama told straight up lies. That cost him the election and many folks to stay home. A damn shame.

        • RblDiver

          I know the feeling. I’ve always been a Cruz supporter, but I’ve been switching whether or not I’d vote for Trump in the general if he wins the nod. For a time, it was questionable, then after the GOPe deal it was a definite yes, then lately it’s a definite no.

    • LtUlrich

      As a Cruz/Trump fence-sitter, this really turned me off.

      • Michelle ✓classified

        Turned you off is one thing, dude who tweeted this mailing said it made him decide to not vote for Cruz. Deciding one’s vote based on a mailer? So ridiculous.

        I was on the Cruz side of the fence the beginning, but Trump’s hard talk about illegal immigration, deportations, etc. seriously caught my attention and I wound up on the fence between the two. I overlooked a few things he said or did that turned me off, still stayed on the fence. But after his BS with the last debates, I was done. He’s acting like a showman, not a man running for POTUS and his ego is truly blowing up.

        • LtUlrich

          You know he had the Bill Sammon thing up his sleeve, right? It wasn’t just about Megyn Kelly.

          • Michelle ✓classified

            It doesn’t matter to me what it was all about, it’s the way he went about it. Didn’t want to be in the debate? Cool. Simply bow out of the debate. But his ego kept him mouthing off about it. Bragging about the ratings he brings. Debates aren’t about ratings, they’re about letting the voters know who you are and where you stand. His ego couldn’t stand it when Fox rejected his offer to appear in the debate in exchange for a donation to the veterans, so he created his own event using vets to play a game of keeping himself in the spotlight that evening. Instead of just letting the debates go on without him, he created a circus by creating an event same date/time as the debates…and he used our vets for his childish game. I saw one minor snippet from his event in which he said, “We have more cameras here than they do at the debate.” So clearly his event was publicity stunt and he exploited our vets for his ego. Disgusting. Done. Off my list.

        • Pandabucks

          Deciding not to vote for Mr. Principle when he dumps principle and excuses it with “others have done it”?
          Yeah, I’d say dumping Mr. Principle for dumping principle is pretty reasonable.

    • Maxx

      Calm down Michelle. I’m a Rubio supporter (who would have no issues voting for Ted) but to claim because I’m not putting Ted at the top of my preference, that I “don’t give a rat’s arse about this country or fellow Americans” is an unhinged declaration. We all have our hot button issues. Since I’m comfortable with my research which shows, pre silly season, that all the candidates have supported amnesty in one form or another, their current positions on immigration is not a barometer I trust from any of them.

      I want to win. THAT is my barometer. Rubio gives us the best chance for that. As much as I like Cruz, he is not as much a threat to the Democratic Party as Rubio. Not everyone has illegal immigration sitting atop their concerns because I think most of us believe they’re all going to make concessions on it, once elected. Every single one of them.

      As for the mailer itself, it smacks of more desperation from Ted. He is doing his best to starve off Rubio’s momentum and his own somewhat disappointing performance Thursday night and that mailer was something I’d expect from a collection agency. Not his best moment this week and for some voters undecided, this kind of last-second “threatening tone” is a turn off. People can be swayed by the smallest of things. A foolish mailer like this or a well-timed debate rebuttal, such as “you’re no Jack Kennedy.” That one statement by Lloyd shifted thousands of voters.

      Still, I’ll have no problems voting for Ted in November. This was just a bungle, not a defining moment. Hell, for all we know, it might actually help him. Who can predict what Iowa voters will do? Historically, nobody has been very good at doing so….just ask Reagan….who lost there. lol

      • Michelle ✓classified

        Just because I cuss doesn’t mean I’m worked up or pissed off. I don’t need to calm down when I never lost my calm. 🙂

        My comment could have been better worded and I’ve clarified it below. I didn’t mean to convey if people don’t vote for Cruz, I meant to convey if they decide their vote based on one mailer, that’s bullshit. No matter how I worded my comment, the last sentence actually made my entire point: If you don’t wanna vote for Cruz, don’t vote for Cruz…but to make that decision based on a fecking mailer?

        I never claimed anyone not voting for Cruz doesn’t give a rat’s ass. When read in context, it’s clear I meant if they decide their vote based on his mailer.

        • Maxx

          Fair enough. We’re both passionate. My “calm down” should have come with a chuckle, since I knew where your passion was coming from and I sort of smiled when I was reading it.
          Always enjoy your banter.

          • Michelle ✓classified

            Half the crap I write on here comes off as I’m pissed or upset, it’s so hard to put tone in text. But rarely am I ever mad or angry, my words make it seem that way. It’s all good. I did not word my comment in the best way, so I can understand how you got what you got from it. I enjoy your banter as well, always word of wisdom come from you.

          • Hamburger Hero

            Relax, honey.

            Take some time to “relax” yourself.

          • Michelle ✓classified

            I am relaxed, Troll Cupcake.

          • Hamburger Hero

            lol. Always taking things way too seriously.

            It’s only the internet, lady!

          • Michelle ✓classified

            Interwebz troll who think they know me, crack me up.

            Go bother someone else (_)_)wipe.

  • Andrew

    I’ll leave the fake moral outrage to the left, and just ask one question:
    Who thought this was a good idea, and why does this person still have a job? (ok, two questions). There is no way this can be a net positive for the Cruz campaign, and it makes them look desperate. I want Cruz to do well – he’s my second choice behind Rubio, and would love to see him serve on SCOTUS if he doesn’t win, but this was just not smart.

    • Andrew

      I would be very surprised if Cruz knew about this in advance and approved it. He’s just way too smart for that.

    • LimpingHenry

      It was an idea used in previous campaigns by Iowa Republicans. Bad idea then and now.

  • DM1499

    Hey, Cruz,

    Kidnapping a loved one and holding them hostage would encourage Iowans to vote as well. That’s a tool you could use. Or how about identity theft? Wait, what about voter fraud? That’s a tool most often used in a democrats toolbox!

  • tops116 ✓Quipper

    Stupid mistake, certainly sleazy, and a dumb idea, but it hardly derails his campaign. I have a bigger problem with the way Cruz sucked up to Trump for months on end than this.

    That said, I agree with what some others on Twitter said: this kind of stunt was condemned when liberals pulled it, so don’t brush it under the rug when Cruz does it. You don’t have to condemn him with outrageous outrage (unless, y’know, you got the mailer yourself and were offended), but don’t pull that “Well, it’s okay when he does it” crap. That’s what we see so often with Trump supporters. It’s called consistency, and you need it to have principles.

  • LtUlrich

    If I was in Iowa, leaning Cruz, and I received this, I would stay home or, worse, caucus for Trump or Rubio. I say this as a Cruz fan.

    • LimpingHenry

      Then you would voting on feelings, not substance. You know, like a Democrat.

  • LtUlrich

    All this jousting between Trump and Cruz makes it harder and harder for me to visualize THE dream ticket, Trump/Cruz, or the far more unlikely (for various reasons) Cruz/Trump. I hope they can join forces after this primary mess is over.

    • gekkobear

      Never happen.
      Trump has outright said Cruz doesn’t qualify for the Presidency.
      Picking him for the VP slot would be an admission he made that up for votes, and didn’t believe what he said.

      That bridge you want them to cross?

      The one blown up by the explosives and then the moorings set on fire?
      Yeah, ain’t nobody crossing that.

      • LtUlrich

        Ouch. Brilliant analysis.

    • Stephen K

      You really think they’re going to kiss and make up after Trump has all but openly declared that Cruz is an illegal? Hell, the only shoe left to drop on that front is the one where Trump promises to make sure Cruz and his “bankster wife” are the first ones to be rounded up and deported.

  • LtUlrich

    To the arguments regarding Cruz’s ‘record’ or ‘CR rating’ – the only reason he HAS such a record is because he’s a politician. Candidates not currently holding office have no such ‘rating’. We shouldn’t paint ourselves into that corner. Please understand I’m a fan of both men & would be proud to vote for either one, but not having a ‘rating’ is not a minus.

  • sassygeorgiegirl

    all the campaigns send out urgent messages all the time. Do I like them? Not particularly. But the fact is, they all do it. Do I like this particular one-no, I don’t. Joni Ernst and others used it before in Iowa. For the secretary to be going ballistic over it, is purely political-as Ernst and others have done it before. I’ve heard the Rubio camp had a big say in the story.

  • LimpingHenry

    Letting a dumb mailer determine your vote is silly and shallow. Smart people vote on the issues.

    • Pandabucks

      But that doesn’t excuse the mailer. It listed actual neighbors. It gave actual voting scores. It shamed. It intimidated.

      And all this was done by Mr. Principle–who then refused to apologize, and excused himself with “others have done it.”

      Atta boy, Mr. Principle. What a guy.

      • R.C.

        Rubio? Is that you?
        Go away knucklehead.

        • Pandabucks

          Who’s talking about Rubio?
          Deflect much? Run from the topic much?
          You’re a riot, RC.

          • LJ Lab

            Thats all they can do is deflect. Their disgraceful excuse for a candidate finally ran his campaign into the flusher.

          • Pandabucks

            Terrible. Just terrible.

      • The_Kat ✓vilified

        Woooooo…super scary!

        • Pandabucks

          Let me tell you, for people who haven’t seen this before, it’s very scary–and embarrassing. I can’t imagine how many elderly citizens felt over this.

          Honestly, do you want your neighbors seeing your voting score? Do you excuse ANYTHING just because your candidate is doing it?

          • The_Kat ✓vilified

            Posted earlier that I didn’t like this or Cruz’s Rubio is the Republican Obama ad either. Democrats were doing something like this in the last presidential election except they were encouraging people to actually go and knock on their neighbors vote to shame them into voting. That was a hell of a lot creepier than this. It should be a great wake up call for people to realize what personal information about them is a public record.

      • LimpingHenry

        I’m not excusing it. Joni Ernst did it in her campaign and won, so somebody probably did it without much thought. All campaigns want to get out the vote, but this is a lousy way to do it. Ted Cruz should apologize for it, not for wanting to get out the vote but for this way of doing it. That doesn’t alter the fact that he is the candidate most committed to constitutional governance, with the possible exception of Rand Paul.

        • Pandabucks

          Fonally, a reasonable response. I disagree that Ted is the most “Constitutional,” but at least you refused to flush your principles in defending your guy.

  • Pandabucks

    Cruz claims to be Mr. Principle, but after shaming GOP voters by revealing their voting records to their neighbors, his basic response is, “Well, other people do it.”

    Two problems: 1) Principled people don’t use the actions of others as their excuse. 2) No other GOP primary candidates are doing it.

    Oh well. Mr. Principle cares nothing about principle. Scaring and shaming fellow Republicans into attending Caucus? Revealing their voting grades to their neighbors? Noooooooo problem for Mr. Principle! Other people have done it!

  • Pandabucks

    Hey, I know! This is all just a “poison pill” to stop this evil practice of shaming and intimidation! Ted’s just using this practice to bring about its end!

    Mr. Principle is actually against shaming and intimidating good people in their homes, so he signs on to it in hopes of convincing everyone to stop doing it!

    Yeah, that’s it! Just like in 2013 with immigration! It’s all a harmless maneuver, and Ted really supports the exact opposite of what he’s doing!

    Ted’s supporters will believe any excuse this complete fraud rolls out.

    • The_Kat ✓vilified

      So does that mean Trump is Mr. Unprincipled (which is actually quite accurate)? Asking for a friend.

      • Pandabucks

        I suppose. Trump’s just way too liberal for me. But at least he never claims to be Mr. Principle.

  • mactekus

    I would have sent out a letter that says “Caucus or I’ll break your ***** legs!”

  • FramersForCruz

    LOL

    only the weak, stupid, and gullible are offended or ‘shamed’ by their actions. And the other weird part about this is all the analyst say a low turnout favors Cruz, a high turnout over 120K favors Trump. Make up your minds.

    • Pandabucks

      Make up our minds? How’s this:

      No candidate claiming to be Mr. Principle should shame and intimidate fellow GOP voters by listing their names and voting scores with their neighbors–and trying to excuse it with “it’s been done before” is the WORST answer from someone claiming to be Mr. Principle.

      And it no surprise at all to see a Cruz supporter then calling people “weak, stupic, and gullible” after being offended by Mr. Principle doing all this.

      Why are Cruz supporters always the meanest ones? Is it their ‘principles?”

  • Aparition42

    I hate junk mail disguised as official government documents, but before we look into pressing charges against Senator Cruz, maybe take a look at all the seedy loan offices trying to convince me that they’re the VA and I have to refinance my mortgage or risk losing VA benefits.
    Priorities.

    • Pandabucks

      We can walk and chew gum at the same time. I don’t care about pressing charges against Cruz, but this was a horrible move by someone claiming to be Mr. Principle. And then refusing to apologize because “others have done it”–when no one else in this primary is doing it???

      Yeah, I think we can address your VA issue and still drop Cruz off our list of “principled” candidates.

      Priorities.

      • Aparition42

        If this is disqualifying, is there anyone on that list? I guess we’re back to voting for the least terrible person.

        • Pandabucks

          I don’t think it’s disqualifying, but in a strong field with quality people like Carson, Fiorina, Paul, Rubio, Santorum, Huckabee, etc., it certainly drops Ted down my list.

          • Aparition42

            I’m definitely in the “anyone but Clinton” camp, but I still think Senator Cruz is a solid enough conservative that a questionable mailer isn’t important to me. If he were soliciting donations, I’d be singing a different tune, but for a generic “get out the vote” effort, I find it ineffective, but inoffensive. At the very least, it’s outweighed by his stance on ethanol subsidies. That being said, as many “outsider” candidates as we have, it’s been disappointingly politics as usual for the last few months.

            I’m much more bothered by Cruz’s “Rubio is the Republican Obama” ads. Conservatives have got to stop eating their own. Whoever wins is going to need a VP, a SOS, and a full cabinet. If they’ve spent the whole primary season tearing down the people’s second, third, and fourth choices, where does that leave us?

            No candidate is perfect. Dr. Carson has some questionable views on gun control. Carly Fiorina has used some progressive feminist language that indicates acceptance of false liberal premises. Ryan isn’t as strong on foreign security and trade as I’d like, and Rubio isn’t as strong on border security as I’d like. What I really object to is people practically declaring a candidate unfit for dog catcher over issues that, frankly, aren’t that important.

            Meanwhile, the other side won’t even bring up the fact that their front runner is an admitted felon. It’s bad strategy, at this point, to be writing the Democrats’ talking points for them.

          • Pandabucks

            No, I think Ted’s mailer is much worse than that, especially given his propensity for claiming to have cornered the market on principle. Worse yet, realize that this ad was targeted to people likely to support him–meaning he sent a shame and scare mailer to his own peeps. That’s how much he values his own supporters.

            Sorry, but that’s just awful.

            Ted’s anti-Rubio ads have been bad, but so were the anti-Ted ads by Rubio’s PAC. Ted’s position on ethanol subsidies, like his immigration stance, is actually very similar to Rubio’s. Both favor a phase-out. Ted, however, is terribly dishonest with Iowa voters in saying this wouldn’t affect them because of ethanol’s “established niche in the marketplace”–that niche is entirely subsidized, and will crumble once the river of money is stopped.

  • sam

    Stupid move, looks desperate for Cruz too bad I like him but makes him look creepy.
    Theres a supposed video of him and his father a a young man reported to be even more creepy.
    Ted is brilliant and I think will be a great asset to the USA but this is wrong and if true he doubles down by defending ” any trick in the book”
    The question is for Today and Yesterday what occurred in the Iowans minds who go to the Caucus on Monday will this effect them to stay with Cruz, move from him or just Stay Home.

  • R.C.

    How to make a mountain out of a mole hill: See above.

    • Pandabucks

      “Mountain out of a mole hill.”

      Yet another excuse from a supporter of Mr. Principle. Mr. Principle shamed and intimidated fellow GOP voters with actual names and voting scores for actual neighbors, then wrote it off with “others have done it”–when no one else in this primary was doing it.

      But hey, ANY excuse is good enough for Mr. Principle, right? Even “mountain out of a mole hill.”

      When you agreed to support Cruz, did you have to leave all your principles at the door? Was there a ritual? How did that work?

      • R.C.

        He didnt run on opposing amnesty and after elected support the gang of 8. Principles.
        He didnt praise BHO, donate to Hillary, Schumer, Reid, Wiener. Principles
        He didnt lay claim to committing a hypothetical murder knowing his sycophants will excuse ANY behavior. Principles.
        So, try your garbage somewhere else. In a field of un principled men running for POTUS, Ted Cruz still stands head and shoulders above.

        • Pandabucks

          So now you’re bringing up another candidate to excuse your candidate’s lack of principles? That’s priceless!

          RC, you continue to prove you will accept ANY excuse for your unprincipled candidate. Typical Cruz supporter. Zero principle. Zero conscience. All rage and hate.

          • R.C.

            Get over yourself, Rubio! There is/was no rage and or hate in any those posts. The mailer was pretty dumb, most Cruz supporters agree. But it is ludicrous to equate this to Ted being a completely unprincipled man. And if that is your measure the man you seek no longer resides on this planet.

          • nc ✓s & balances

            Have you ever seen such a hissy fit? Bring the large sized fans!

          • Pandabucks

            Now your cover for Mr. Principle is accusing his accusers of hissy fits?
            Does your deflection and excusing ever end?

          • ReeFungorio

            I don’t think hissy fit even comes close to describing your inanity

          • Pandabucks

            Here’s an idea: Rather than saying I’m throwing hissy fits or whatever, how about one of you Ted worshipers try something new…LIKE ANSWERING THE CHARGE AGAINST HIM. What he did was disgraceful, especially claiming to be Mr. Principle and then saying his shame and scare tactics were fine because “others have done it.”

          • R.C.

            and the fainting couches!

          • Pandabucks

            Again with Rubio? What does some other candidate have to do with this?

            And threatening people by shaming them and exposing their voting records to their neighbors IS UNPRINCIPLED.

            My goodness, do Cruz supporters have any ethics at all?

  • http://www.libertynewsonline.com/regional_301.php RTater

    When has apologizing ever helped anyone in politics?

    • Pandabucks

      When Mr. Principle shames and intimidates fellow GOP voters in their homes, and then dumps principle by saying “others have done it”–even though no other candidate in this primary is doing it–THEN YES, AN APOLOGY MIGHT BE A GOOD IDEA.

  • nc ✓s & balances

    Most junk mail, especially political junk mail (even the kind that “looks like” official mail) usually goes straight to the recycling bin anyway. That being said, yes, this would make me squirm a bit if I received it. However, I view the candidates using a positive/negative balance sheet. Cruz has long been my #1 so if this adds a bit to his negative side, his positives still far outweigh any effect it might have.

    (Note to our Breitbart Trump visitors: Please don’t bother repeating your rants from below. I’ve already read them.)

    • Pandabucks

      I neither support Trump nor read Breitbart. So I’ll speak all I want.

      You will excuse anything for Mr. Principle because you’ve committed to him. This listed actual neighbors and their voting records, pal.

      “Principle” doesn’t excuse itself with “others have done it”–and it also doesn’t use “hey, this kind of junk mail goes right to the recycle bin.”

      But what do you care? You support Mr. Principle, so you’ll accept ANY excuse for his lack of principles.

      • Adam Wood

        “This listed actual neighbors and their voting records, pal.”

        You have been bleating on and on about this as if it’s some sort of big deal. It’s not. Any idiot can see their neighbors at a caucus. They already know whether or not their neighbors went out to the caucus before.

        • nc ✓s & balances

          Excellent point!

          (Edit: This is responding to Adam Wood’s point about neighbors seeing each other at their caucuses anyway.)

        • R.C.

          They -whoever they are- are trying to make it a big deal because, although not perfect, Ted Cruz doesnt have much beyond hypothetical and theories to legitimately criticize

          • Adam Wood

            Aaannnndddd…..

            DOMINIONIST RELIGION!!!!111!!1eleventeen11!!!

            ZOMG! Stop the presses! There’s a religious person running!

        • Pandabucks

          Whoa, that’s up to them and their neighbors if they want to exchange such info!
          It’s amazing how supporters of Mr. Principle will accept ANY excuse for dumping principle.

          • Adam Wood

            So it is your contention, then, that these people in Iowa are going to the caucuses wearing disguises?

          • Pandabucks

            In your opinion, are they wearing voting grades? For themselves and their neighbors?

          • Adam Wood

            Yes.

            You do understand what a voting grade is, right?

          • Pandabucks

            I understand Ted put grades by neighbors’ names for their voting.

            Got any more diversions? You can’t defend him, so you try to divert. It’s a tired technique.

          • Adam Wood

            So, the answer is no, you don’t have the slightest clue what a voting grade is, and therefore don’t know WTF you’re whining about.

            Unoriginal troll is unoriginal.

          • Pandabucks

            Yet another deflection from the point of what Ted did to shame and intimidate voters.

            I’m a precinct Captain, and “voting grade” can mean many things, depending on whether you’re discussing frequency, recent reliability, alignment with opinion, alignment with party, or whatever else tickles your fancy.

            Now, care to tell us why Ted was right to intimidate voters and scare them by putting grades by their names for neighbors to see? Or were you just here to launch insults at those of us who think Mr. Principle should act principled?

          • Adam Wood

            So, once again, the answer is that you don’t even know what a voting grade is, and therefore don’t even know what it is that you’re being paid to whine about.

          • Pandabucks

            The only one who has provided parameters for the term is me. You’ve done nothing but gripe that you don’t accept the answer–the answer to a question you know is merely a distraction from your inability to defend Mr. Principle.

      • R.C.

        Well mr principles that does not support Trump or read Breitbart, unlock your profile and lets see if your mouth matches your rhetoric.

        • Pandabucks

          Not a chance. Too many creepy stalking weirdos like you wanting to piece together my identity from past posts. I’ll keep my history to myself, thank you. Now, are you capable of actually debating the current issue, or will you just keep deflecting?

          • ReeFungorio

            Posting almost identical immature comments hundreds of times is not debating, dummy.

          • Pandabucks

            Nonsense. It’s only posted repeatedly due to the number of Cruz fans insisting on attacking me without offering any substantive defense for their Cult Leader.

      • grais

        “This listed actual neighbors and their voting records, pal.”

        And who was it that put all that on the internet, unredacted?
        jus’sayin’

        • Pandabucks

          I neither know nor care, unless they’re running for office. Right now, we’re discussing Mr. Principle…and you’re deflecting.

          • grais

            No deflection. It was just a question about another aspect of the issue, fcol.

  • Doc

    AND? Tired ass Republicans didn’t get off their azz to vote last November here in Indianapolis and we got a democrat mayor for it. Don’t apologize Ted!

    • Pandabucks

      Yeah, don’t apologize, Mr. Principle! You just shamed and intimidated fellow GOP voters by sharing their actual names and voting records with their neighbors, and then threatened to send out update notices after the Caucus!

      And then you–Mr. Principle–wrote it off with “other candidates have done it”–when no other candidates in the GOP Primary are doing it!

      So, when you become a Cruz supporter, do you have to leave your principles at the door? Is there a ritual? How does that work? Can you excuse anything now? Is this, like, a new superpower?

  • Kawfy

    I like Cruz….but I don’t like this mailer….not one bit

    • vetgal1970

      I like him also and I agree I don’t like this mailer. It bothers me that our information is available to buy and use at all. I’m sorta tired of being on everybody ‘lists’

      • Kawfy

        I just don’t understand this bone-headed move. People are tired of being put-upon by the government. We are tired of government on our backs…and he does this? I mean it just boggles the mind…that he would do this or was advised to do this.

        • grais

          http://www.redstate.com/diary/Socrates/2016/01/30/targeted-cruz-gotv-mailer/

          “It works,” meaning that people who learn that their neighbors will know they don’t vote can be as much as 10% more likely to vote than others. A demonstration by Michigan political consultant Mark Grebner showed that voter turnout
          could be increased if people thought their neighbors would find out they didn’t vote.”

          • Kawfy

            I suppose…but it still leaves a “rotten taste”…. at least for me. Just hate it when one of my choices makes a stupid decision and leaves themselves open to attacks from all sides.

          • grais

            I agree. Social media is making ugly uglier.
            All I can do is brace myself.

        • vetgal1970

          I really don’t know. I went to his FB page to register my alarm at the most recent of his tactics. I wasn’t a lone voice. I hope he gets it squared away and fast.

      • grais

        I agree. But we’d better get used to it. The information doesn’t have to be bought. It’s public. One used to have to actually GO somewhere to get it. It’s online now.

  • LJ Lab

    What a disgrace Ted Cruz is. Who does this? Hes going to finish in 3rd now in Iowa bc of this crap. Probably be out of the race by SC or NV.

  • nc ✓s & balances

    For the record, here’s a brief video of Cruz in 2011 explaining his immigration policy very clearly:

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=T0h3Mu8BbjM

    • LJ Lab

      Was this before he was against it, or after he was for it ? LOL What a disgrace Ted Cruz is. He will be out of this by SC. Good Riddance.

  • Obtruder

    This just shows how similar Cruz is to the RNC.
    I have unsubscribed from receiving any more spam e-mails from Ted Cruz at least 5 times over the past few months and they are still showing up.
    Ted Cruz’s seedy Harvard Law School background is showing.
    Yes Ted, your letters may be legal but they show who you are. Pure SCUM !!!

  • Giuseppe Franco

    Cruz is my second choice but the last week has not been kind to him at all and his internal polling must be suggesting pretty alarming numbers.

    Cruz seems to be getting pretty desperate and these kinds of tactics are starting to reinforce his “unlikable guy” reputation.

    It’s great to be unlikable by the establishment in Washington, but not so much when the voters start feeling the same way.

  • The_Kat ✓vilified

    Meh, I don’t approve of this or the Rubio is the “Republican Obama” ad but then most politicians make crappy campaign moves. What I have discovered though is that Trumpets are bat crap crazy, which makes me think they are all liberals.

    • Pandabucks

      I oppose Trump, but this move by Cruz is clearly the most classless and nasty move made by anyone in this campaign. My goodness, what comes close?

      • Kawfy

        exactly…this mailer just proved what Cruz’s opponents said in the last debate….that he will do anything to win. What the hell was he thinking?

        • grais

          they’ll all do anything to win.
          It’s all gonna get uglier.
          It always does.

          • Kawfy

            I believe you are right. This part of the race is so disgusting.

          • Pandabucks

            This is the worst anyone’s done in this campaign, by far.

          • grais

            In your opinion, which is More than evident here. jeeeeze

          • Pandabucks

            Scaring little old ladies by intimidating them and sharing their voting records with neighbors?
            Oh, by all means, tell me who has done worse. I’m all ears.

          • grais

            Did he scare any little old ladies?

        • Pandabucks

          And what is with this Cruz cult defending anything their Grand Master does?

          • Kawfy

            just stop….I have seen defense of all the candidates…depending on the camp you’re in. This is something the left does….It would be refreshing to see discernment on ALL sides.

      • grais

        What comes close? A lot of what Trump says.

        • Kawfy

          Trump has foot in mouth disease. I cringe when he is defending something he has said by saying “I have a lot of _____friends (insert race, gender, nationality, religion)” Makes him sound even more bigoted.

          • grais

            He seems to have a severe personality disorder of some sort.
            He’s an appalling human being.

          • Kawfy

            He’s not my “cup of tea” …not even as an entertainer. He is a loud mouth bully who treats people badly then goes nutty if he gets treated “badly”. I have never been attracted to narcissists and blow hards no matter how smart they are. A little humility and kindness goes a long way in my book.

          • grais

            He lacks humility, that’s for sure. And that tells me he probably lacks true empathy, also. His vocabulary is embarrassingly limited, which tells me his intellect and/or education are not up to snuff.
            Obama is an empty suit; Thedonald is only and empty suit jacket.

          • Kawfy

            I got the initial draw to Trump….people (me included) were fed up and wanted someone to voice it loudly and in your face….it was a release valve for the mounting pressure….I mean, it was kind of fun, if I am to be honest….but now that it has been vented….real policy and sober thought is needed…he comes up short in that regard.

          • grais

            I always thought he was awful. I chuckled at times, and didn’t always disagree w/him. But I’ve always found him a repulsive candidate for POTUS. A mean tween girl is Not what I want to lead my country.

        • Pandabucks

          I can’t stand Trump. But he’s never intimidated voters by outing their voting scores to their neighbors. No one in this race but Cruz has done that.

          • grais

            You’ve got a lot to learn.

          • Pandabucks

            Not from you. You’ve yet to provide a single substantive answer. All insults, no points.

          • grais

            Not from me, from life.
            Nothing of substance from you, regardless of how many times you post the same stuff.
            You make baseless accusations about posters here.
            And you’re beyond overwrought.
            People like you amuse me.

  • VerminMcCann

    “A campaign mailer which started hitting mailboxes on Friday has caused such a controversy that people are still arguing if sending it was ethical, let alone a smart move.”

    Dammit, Twitchy, hire an editor.

  • Pandabucks

    What is with this Cruz cult excusing ANYTHING their Grand Master does?

    “Well, others have done it, so…”
    “Oh, only idiots don’t know this is an ad…”
    “You people who don’t like this are all secret Trump supporters! Or Rubio supporters! Yeah, that’s it!”
    Steve Deace: “Story isn’t true. Not a real person.” It was all true, Steve.

    Look, Mr. Principle isn’t principled, okay? Stop acting like hopelessly devoted cult members and start holding your candidate to some actual standards!

    • grais

      I don’t see anyone here, ANYONE, freaking out about this like you are.
      It’s almost as if you’re new to dirty politics.
      *scratches head*

      • Pandabucks

        Been in politics a quarter century. You’re just upset because I’ve pinned your boy to the wall, and you can’t offer any better defense than blanket insults. That’s always a sign you’ve lost.

        • grais

          Well, you haven’t learned much in those years.
          I actually think you’re pretty amusing…let me count the repetitive posts….

          • Pandabucks

            You’ve had no substantive answers, and your big problem is the number of times I’ve responded to you.

            That’s funny. You’re funny.

          • grais

            No problem there, big or otherwise.
            Having very little to say, but saying it over and over and over again, like you’re doing, is not remotely “substantive.”

          • Pandabucks

            I’ve broken down exactly why Ted’s actions were indefensible –by his own professed standard.

            You’ve offered nothing. Complaining about how many times someone responds to you is not “substance.”

          • grais

            “I’ve broken down exactly why Ted’s actions were indefensible”

            Good for you. I have not defended Ted’s actions; haven’t needed your take on it- even once.

            “Complaining about how many times someone responds to you is not “substance.””

            huh? Is someone making that complaint?
            ??

    • Adam Wood

      The “devoted cult member” here is very clearly YOU.

      • Pandabucks

        All I’ve defended is ethics. All you’ve defended is Ted. So we’ve each got a cult.

        • Adam Wood

          You haven’t defended ethics in any way, shape, or form. All you have done is run around here trying to take a shit on everyone and told a bunch of lies.

  • JPT

    My wife, who is not an American citizen, received a very official looking document which informed her she is eligible to vote and urged her to fill out and submit a registration form.

    What is the possibility that was sent by a voter suppresion group such as TrueTheVote to be used as “evidence” of attempted voter fraud?

    • grais

      Well, does it say who sent it?

      • JPT

        No, it doesn’t. Perhaps I should send it to David Corn at Mother Jones.

        • grais

          I’d throw it in the trash, but that’s just me.

  • LJ Lab

    Hes an anchor baby in Canada. Haha. That was a great line by Trump.

    • grais

      That was just another stupid line by Trump.

  • R.C.

    Holy smokes. Did another clown from Breitbart smother the boards with “Im debating over at twitchy!”

  • drPC

    Really? Someone would decide to vote or not to vote for a candidate based on one mailer? Talk about low-information voters. Frankly, anytime I receive anything in the mail from politicians or parties, it goes directly into the wastebasket unopened. I also do not watch TV commercials or pay attention to radio advertisements for politicians. Instead, I pay attention to what is going on in the world every single day of my life. I knew who all the presidential candidates were before they ever decided to run. I call this being a responsible citizen. It ain’t hard.

    • thale_taxurfeet ♂ Vilified

      I agree with all of the above, with one small exception. I shred all waste paper containing either my or the spouse’s name/address, bag it and depending on the document, I may route it to a burn barrel.

      Having had one instance of ID theft, with the accompanying headaches has a way of driving that behavior.

  • http://wandererswaysite.wordpress.com Wanderer

    Bad form Ted, bad form.

  • Hoppytoo

    Big. Ass. Deal.

  • https://twitter.com/rockinranger81 Ben Bollman

    What is the big deal? I get stuff like this from ALL politicians who want my support. The point is to catch your attention. It is part of the process.

  • Beauslx

    Political mailer = Garbage. Some people just have to be butthurt about something

  • drw

    Wow, the people on this thread railing against this person for deciding to vote or not vote for someone because of a mailer might want to check their reading comprehension skill. The article stated that the mailer in question “helped” push them to vote for another candidate. Meaning, of course, that they were on the fence and this was enough to send them to the other side. Being fairly confident that my own reaction to an attempt at public shaming, especially by someone claiming Reaganesque values, would be less than favorable, it seems a reasonable enough reaction to me.

    • grais

      The only issue I have w/the guy is that he put his neighbors’ names and scores on Twitter.
      I didn’t get any impression that he’s overly intelligent.

      • drw

        He may not be the brightest bulb in the string. Still, I’m not sure the consequence of him telling you and me their names and scores is as serious as sharing the same information with people they actually know. Besides, considering the scores,they likely received a similar letter already.

        • grais

          If I had got a letter like that, and figured my neighbors did, too, I’d be exTREMEly unhappy to find out that one of my neighbors put a picture of MY name on his Twitter feed.

          • drw

            I don’t twitter so I’m not familiar with the consequences. My wife and kids I know follow each other and of course the kids have their friends and extended families but, wouldn’t one of them have to share something my wife sent to them for it to become widely circulated? I get your point though, I guess I was just looking at the forest and not really seeing the trees.

          • grais

            All of those good people whose names are on that picture can be found and harassed and threatened now. And we all know there are sickos out there who like to do things like that.

          • Adam Wood

            Yeah, like pandapanties.

  • http://bigdeemagnifies.blogspot.com Diana Morrison

    Aw, Ted, say it ain’t so. Our side ought to be above reproach.

  • Karla1953

    Shoot that in the big picture is a big nothing IMO anyways. Frankly for this voter I am still more annoyed to hear him act like Donald is an ok guy. Granted I have been at work all day and missed much but this whole mailer thing is much to do about not a damn thing. He is still on my short list along with Rubio and Fiorina(yeah I know but)and I may not make up mind until I walk in to vote on March 5(I work the polls on election day so I now early vote in case I am not at my district that day)

  • Karla1953

    Sho ot that in the big picture is a big nothing IMO anyways. Frankly for this voter I am still more annoyed to hear him act like Donald is an ok guy. Granted I have been at work all day and missed much but this whole mailer thing is much to do about not a damn thing. He is still on my short list along with Rubio and Fiorina(yeah I know but)and I may not make up mind until I walk in to vote on March 5(I work the polls on election day so I now early vote in case I am not at my district that day) I always forget that I cannot use the word sh oo t and go into moderation repost Oy

  • sassygeorgiegirl

    If anyone decides not to vote for someone based on a stupid mailer, that tells me that you are indeed a low information voter. They all send out mass urgency letters. Look at the person’s record, not a stupid mailer. Or rather, don’t vote if you’re that offended.

  • sassygeorgiegirl

    One more thing…all those folks that are so offended by these stupid mailers…(even though others have used them), look deep inside. You’re offended by a mailer, but not by someone who bullies and calls women bimbos, people liars-when they are on record lying their pants off, likens Ben Carson to a pedophile, just to list a few…. This tells me you are looking at your candidate with rose-colored glasses. I don’t like them either, but we all get stupid urgency mailers from all the candidates. Give me a break!

  • sassygeorgiegirl

    I’ve got to add…You won’t trust someone whose campaign sends out a stupid mailer, but you will trust someone that even his wives can’t trust? 3 wives, marital affairs….not trustworthy.

  • NatetheGreat

    RNC sends these stupid things out every election here in AZ.
    You know where all this junk goes? Same place the majority of people put them: the TRASH.
    First story I saw on this was from someone who ‘already wasn’t going to vote for Cruz’ and suddenly decided they had to caucus for Rubio. Whatever.
    Still like Cruz, still pulling for him. He’s the best out of all this mess

  • ember

    People that don’t vote are the first to cry about laws passed.

  • Deplorable Agent Mom

    Just another reason I’m voting Trump.

  • Adam Wood

    Let us all have a moment of silence in honor of PandaPanties’ despondency.

    OK. That’s enough. Time to point and laugh.