The American Conservative Union got off to a rocky start with this year’s Conservative Political Action Conference when word got out that GOProud would again be excluded from participation. Conservatives rallied behind GOProud, while a tone-deaf ACU extended invitations to “leading conservative voice” Chris Hayes of MSNBC and “hugely popular” Donald Trump.

While CPAC’s stumble angered conservatives, the reaction pales to that over a piece posted to Accuracy in Media’s website March 6. While “denier” has become a bit of a political cliché, conservatives were stunned to read that “There is no such thing as a ‘gay conservative,’ unless the term ‘conservative’ has lost all meaning.” Instead, Cliff Kincaid wrote, CPAC “should be sponsoring a panel on the dangers of the homosexual movement and why some of its members seem prone to violence, terror, and treason,” citing WikiLeaks tool Bradley Manning and Family Research Council shooter Floyd Corkins as examples of a “homosexual movement” trying to infiltrate conservatism.

The piece goes on (and on), but with CPAC already inclined to shoot itself in the foot, few thought that Accuracy in Media needed to be handing out more ammunition.

https://twitter.com/Capit0lism_/status/311673173055782914

The backlash caused by the piece motivated Accuracy in Media Chairman Don Irvine to issue a statement:

Like many organizations, AIM has a staff that represents more than one viewpoint on various issues. We allow our people to express themselves as they like. We all share the same general conservative philosophy, but not necessarily on every specific issue. Cliff Kincaid is a longtime, valuable part of the AIM team. My personal view on this is irrelevant. That being said, Accuracy in Media does not agree with his assertion that it is impossible to be both gay and conservative.

That’s good news for the gay conservatives out there who now can rest assured knowing they exist.

Look out: CPAC has been infiltrated. What terror lies in store?

  • MartiPul

    But the group that here falls back on the “Big Tent” defense of “we don’t have to agree, but we allow lots of views so long as you are generally conservative” is the SAME group that lobbied to have GOProud excluded from CPAC. Big Tent for me, but not for thee. Hypocrites. If your tent is big enough to extend to this crap, then the conservative tent is certainly big enough for people like GayPatriot. Not once have I heard my gay conservative friends suggest throwing social conservatives out, because they recognize they are needed, and even agree on many social issues like abortion. If gay conservatives can tolerate you for the sake of saving this country, it would be nice of you to return the freaking favor. We have actual, real live communists and socialists in our govt. All hands on deck, people.

    • http://www.facebook.com/138900508 Patrick Dennehy

      Absolutely! Why must we be so exclusionary?

      “I agree with you on 99% of the issues, you are a true patriot…oh wait…’you’re gay’?; I am sorry you’re excluded” – is this really what a ‘real conservative’ is??

      Come on people /sigh

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IQIGXRVWW5XRETNV25R4FATCOM ssenecal5000

        Cus CPAC is for Conservative, not all Republicans
        You should ask the “Big tent” Republican establishment to stop attacking conservatives

        • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002109532283 Jillane Kent

          CPAC does not represent all conservatives or their viewpoints. You can easily search the archives of conservative leaning websites (hint: like this one) and see that their move to exclude GOProud and invite questionable individuals was not met with praise nor supported.

          • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IQIGXRVWW5XRETNV25R4FATCOM ssenecal5000

            Then what is the issue ? Go start your own conservative group , finance it and hold a conference.!!!

            Conservativism however isn’t “whatever you want it to be”

            It’s a specific idealogy where societal measures are encouraged so fiscal conservatism can exist.

            Marriage for instance,is not about the couple’s wants and desires.

            It’s about children having a designated LEGAL father at the time of their birth, A father that is legally and financially responsible for the children he creates. That’s why marriage exists., no other purpose.
            In order to have fiscal conservatism , you must have fathers repsonsible for the children they create , and there has to be a legal means in court to insure they do when they shirk that responsiblity
            The marriage issue is NOT gay versus straight, or atheist verus religion
            It is phony “rights and liberty” of adults versus the biological rights of children
            Its important to point out that all adults, even gays, had these biological rights as children. That’s the “equality” in marriage

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002109532283 Jillane Kent

            Where can this codified, set in stone definition of what a conservative is and is not be found?

          • des111168

            Burke, Buckley, etc.

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002109532283 Jillane Kent

            Since the central theme is CPAC, do you believe these two men would define Trump as a beacon of conservatism?

          • https://twitter.com/thehiredmind Hired Mind

            Probably in documents at CPAC. Or perhaps their mission statement. Since we’re referring to CPAC here, CPAC gets to define itself. You don’t like it, fine, start your own group with a different mission.

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002109532283 Jillane Kent

            Do you believe Chris Hayes (invited, but declined) and Trump embody the tenets of conservatism?

          • https://twitter.com/thehiredmind Hired Mind

            No idea, why? CPAC thinks thinks so. I wouldn’t even try to define conservatism for them.

          • https://twitter.com/thehiredmind Hired Mind

            No idea, why? CPAC thinks thinks so. I wouldn’t even try to define conservatism for them.

          • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IQIGXRVWW5XRETNV25R4FATCOM ssenecal5000

            Now lets looks at “twitchystaffs” examples of who is standing up for what conservatism should be
            Phineas Farquar…”Politically, I define myself as a Right-liberal, (not conservative)””
            Huh?
            Liz Meir….doesnt claim to be a conservative..She’s a “libertarian”

            S.R Mann..hailing form that bastion of conservatism, Stanford , Ct

            aslo declares herself a libertarian.

            Notorious F.e.g ….”KIND OF libertarian.”

            Doug Mactonis……..ditto, not a consevative , a libertarian

            Caleb Brown…Libertarian CTO
            ect ect.

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002109532283 Jillane Kent

            Why do you believe that libertarians and conservatives cannot find central themes they can agree upon?

          • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IQIGXRVWW5XRETNV25R4FATCOM ssenecal5000

            Oh and This site is NOT conservative , It’s a liberal Republican site,

            Michelle Maulkin and her husband ,a former employee of RAND are not conservatives
            Her other site (which she claimes she sold) HOTAIR is not conservative
            To think ALLAHPUNDIT , an atheist anonymouse constant promoter of homosexual marriage is “conservative” LOL
            Along with Ed Morrissey, who does the “other” positon on gay marriage…”not having the government involved at all.
            which translates into pro gay marriage
            No one is fooled by you people for long

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002109532283 Jillane Kent

            You’re the arbiter of what is conservative and what is not, are you?

          • mike_in_kosovo

            So, you’re saying that you’re just a garden variety bigot and trying to dress it up some? That about cover it?

          • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IQIGXRVWW5XRETNV25R4FATCOM ssenecal5000

            There is no such thing as a “bigot” towards perversions

            You people have lost all sense

          • http://www.facebook.com/joseph.a.white.16 Joseph A White

            I, for one, agree. These guys are lost to the dark side, my friend.

          • v1cious

            So you finally revealed yourself. It was only a matter of time.

          • http://www.black-and-right.com/ IceColdTroll

            I’m much more interested in hearing The Left’s thoughts on gay conservatives, and if they are considered to be in the same “Uncle Tom/Aunt Jemima/House Negro/Steppin Fetchit” class of person as black conservatives.

          • shimauma

            Why does someone standing up for righteous behavior always get such PC backlash? people who chose to buttmunch as a hobby really shouldn’t be asked to give political advice

          • mike_in_kosovo

            So, you’re saying that Malkin, her husband, Allahpundit and Morrisey are all perverts?

            Doesn’t pass the smell test, sorry…you’re just a bigot.

            But don’t worry… I’m positive they aren’t going to taint the water supply or deplete your precious bodily fluids.

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002109532283 Jillane Kent

            How does it make sense to fixate upon what consenting adults do in private?

          • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IQIGXRVWW5XRETNV25R4FATCOM ssenecal5000

            See you are nothing but an idiotic leftist
            Who is in your bedroom? Check under the bed? No one
            Now look whose demanding to teach their bedroom antics to children in public school
            Now look whose demanding to take other people’s children on camping trips, even declaring it’s their “right” to do it.
            Now look whose demanding rights based on their sexual antics

            Now look who is demanding the government record their relationships even tho the government has no compelling reason to.
            Please, the claim to victimhood falls very short.

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002109532283 Jillane Kent

            So, anyone that disagrees with you is a de facto liberal? You say that, whilst borrowing plays from the liberal playbook….

          • John (it true me am)

            Your view of conservatism is laughably historically inaccurate. You have chosen the ideology you deem to be “conservative” based on what seem to be the opposition’s definition of conservative.
            In other words, stop playing into the Democrat’s hands…

            Anyone else starting to get a troll vibe from this guy?

          • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IQIGXRVWW5XRETNV25R4FATCOM ssenecal5000

            You dont know what you are talking about.

            Conservatism of TODAY is classical liberalism of the Founders . You are promoting Communistic ideals where your wants and desires (and even sexual desires.) emit new rights , instead of the other way around..
            Your actual rights exist and they allow you to do whatever you want in the privacy of your home.

          • John (it true me am)

            I know very well what classical liberalism is, we weren’t discussing terminology changes now were we?

            … I’m pretty sure anyway. I’m actually having a little trouble telling what this specific reply to a reply was for since the comment thread is getting a little unwieldy, so umm… Yeah, whatever I said before I guess. 😀

          • WisconsinPatriot

            As a representative of “all you people”, I would just like to say……Bless your heart! There are so many things that you know, that literally NO ONE ELSE DOES. Wow you are truly BRILLIANT! Did you get a trophy for showing up in school? I bet you did!! Conservatism is a far larger tent than ANYONE realizes. Oh….well, except for, you.

        • http://www.facebook.com/138900508 Patrick Dennehy

          I phrased it like that because someone on here the other day said I wasn’t a ‘real conservative’ because I believed their could be gay conservatives

          • WisconsinPatriot

            A “real conservative” doesn’t concern themselves with the private behavior of others. Caveat is those behaviors need to harm no one. I have private reservations about homosexual behavior. Biblically it is sinful, therefore condoning or encouraging it is not going to happen. What it comes down to is this,we are NOT democrats, you need to bring something to the party OTHER THAN your sexual behavior. It means nothing to me. GOProud tries to appeal to the conservative movement just like they would try to appeal to the democrat party. That will not work. You need to actually BE something first, and I will respect you as a human being worthy of respect.

          • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IQIGXRVWW5XRETNV25R4FATCOM ssenecal5000

            And a real conservative doesnt concern others with their private adult behaviours ,

          • WisconsinPatriot

            FLAMING BAG OF HAIR!!!

    • Txgirlinnh

      Very well said. Individual liberty and states rights over the federal govt should be the main focus of republicans, also not drowning countless further generations with insane debt. And EVERYONE with those ideals should be welcome.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IQIGXRVWW5XRETNV25R4FATCOM ssenecal5000

      Moron, it’s ” big tent republican” not “big tent ” conservative

      • http://www.facebook.com/138900508 Patrick Dennehy

        Wait what? you read what @FormerDeminTX:disqus wrote and concluded they were a moron? They did not making the proper distinction(in your mind) and so now they do not qualify as a smart person.

        Who’s the moron here??

        • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IQIGXRVWW5XRETNV25R4FATCOM ssenecal5000

          Well now you are.
          He thinks that CPAC ,a conservative group, has to “big tent” the Republicans and thinks conservatives demanded a big tent or something …as if conservatives are breaking down the door of liberal RINO groups to get in
          The “big tent” is for the party, not individual groups and certainly

          If you have a new kind of conservatism then start your own damn group, finance it and hold conferences. Why are you demanding to be in CPAC?

          • John (it true me am)

            No one is demanding to be in CPAC, people are laughing at CPAC because of their choices. It’s one thing to say “we don’t want to invite Chris Christie or GOProud”. It’s an entirely other thing to say “We don’t want Christie or GOProud but let’s have Donald Trump and Mitt Romney deliver key addresses”.
            They are hypocrites, plain and simple.

          • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IQIGXRVWW5XRETNV25R4FATCOM ssenecal5000

            They can do whatever they want, it’s their group, not yours not GLAAD’s
            You people have lost all sense of right and wrong and fairness.

          • John (it true me am)

            You’re right. It is their right to do whatever they want. But guess what? It is my right to find fault in what they do, particularly when they are supposed to be the group that represents me as someone who is overwhelmingly conservative.

      • Guest

        Name calling is a sure sign of a really strong case.

    • kim

      agreed. and it was the evangelicals threat to boycott CPAC which caused GOProud not to be invited. Which is why I will not be watching one moment of it.

  • http://www.facebook.com/joseph.a.white.16 Joseph A White

    The author happens to be correct. There are many homosexuals that are fiscally and Constitutionally conservative, but they are NOT socially conservative. A true “conservative” is all three of the above. To support the agenda of homosexuality is NOT something that conservatism embraces.

    • Matthew T. Mason

      Corrrrrrrrectamundo! And while that particular elephant has been addressed, others have become content in pretending they are Sgt. Schultz.

    • Guest

      When did socially conservative equal religious right? One can be socially conservative without being religious, which is how you seem to take it. Socially conservative means the government does not have a say in one does in their personal life and how they live it. It means that the federal government has no say what one does in their bedroom or their living bedroom. Perhaps people need to actually understand what social conservatism is before they start discussing it.

      • http://www.facebook.com/joseph.a.white.16 Joseph A White

        Homosexual “marriage” IS a social issue, my friend. And no where in my post did I mention religion. YOUR definition is NOT the definition of most true conservatives. Whether YOU wish it to be or not. Traditional, conservative Americans have always frowned upon sodomy. In fact, such behavior was illegal until very recently. Your attempt to normalize this is NOT conservatism. It is libertarianism. “Perhaps people need to actually understand what social conservatism is before they start discussing it.”

        • http://extremesplash.wordpress.com/ Ben Bollman

          Supporting a liberal gay activist “marriage equality” agenda is not the same as supporting conservatives who happen to be gay(and a good amount who are fine with civil unions & traditional man-woman marriage). Know the difference please.

          • http://www.facebook.com/joseph.a.white.16 Joseph A White

            Please do not patronize me, Ben. Again, people who publicize and DEFINE themselves publicly as “gay” are NOT conservatives. They are “libertarians”… Know the difference, please.

          • http://extremesplash.wordpress.com/ Ben Bollman

            That’s absolute nonsense. I’ve seen gay people support traditional marriage, they are conservatives. Being gay is a lifestyle, not one I agree with but I am not going to turn away a good conservative because I don’t agree with one aspect of their life that impacts me in no way whatsoever.

          • http://www.facebook.com/joseph.a.white.16 Joseph A White

            I have no issue with who you turn away or not, Ben. My entire point is/was that promoting sodomy and homosexuality is NOT conservative. I said NOTHING at all about “including” or “excluding” anyone from anything. However, I will take issue with your view of being gay a “lifestyle”. It is a perversion, IN MY OPINION. And I believe that I am still entitled to an opinion, am I not?

          • http://extremesplash.wordpress.com/ Ben Bollman

            We both don’t agree with homosexuality BUT I don’t believe homosexuality itself determines one being a conservative or not. However, your stance on traditional marriage could be though. Still, give me someone who agree with 95% of the same things I do and I will gladly call them “conservative” over people in our party like Chris Christie and John McCain who don’t deserve that label

          • http://www.facebook.com/joseph.a.white.16 Joseph A White

            I never once disagreed with that, Ben. I simply said that supporting the gay agenda was NOT conservative. The Republican Party is the big tent party. Full of conservatives and libertarians. If there were a political party called the “Conservative Party”, the gay agenda would be more of a focus. Not so in the Republican Party. THAT, to me, is the difference. And it is why conservatives such as CPAC and the AIM take issue with “gay conservatives”…..

          • http://extremesplash.wordpress.com/ Ben Bollman

            But you are failing to recognize that simply being gay and supporting the gay agenda are totally separate things. I think you also kind of got confused with the Conservative and Republican Party thing. There are also both gay conservatives & “establishment” Republicans so that kind of ruins your argument. I’m not totally disagreeing with your views on homosexuality but I think we need to support conservatives (& yes they are conservatives) whether they are gay or not.

          • http://www.facebook.com/joseph.a.white.16 Joseph A White

            Oh, I am NOT confused, my friend, but I suppose we shall simply have to agree that we disagree. More to your point, I would vote for a ham sandwich over any progressive liberal. Gay, straight or neutered.

          • http://extremesplash.wordpress.com/ Ben Bollman

            lol fair enough

          • des111168

            “My entire point is/was that promoting sodomy and homosexuality is NOT conservative.” If this simple, old-as-man-himself truth isn’t obvious anymore, then we are well and truly doomed. Because if the most basic points of right and wrong are now anything goes, then there is no hope left.

          • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IQIGXRVWW5XRETNV25R4FATCOM ssenecal5000

            Wrong, homosexuality is not a personhood, No Conservative would attempt to make a personhood out of their sexual desires. , that in fact dehumanizes the individual
            and why there isnt a Str8Gop group or any other like it.

          • http://extremesplash.wordpress.com/ Ben Bollman

            Nah, there are lots of conservative subgroups and as long as they are not attacking other conservative groups or individuals or push a liberal agenda I am fine with them.

        • el_polacko

          you DO know that most heterosexuals engage in “sodomy” (non-vaginal sex), don’t you ? does that mean that heterosexuals cannot be conservatives ??

          • http://www.facebook.com/138900508 Patrick Dennehy

            I just posted that below. Sodomy can mean oral copulation. I guess I am pro sodomy

          • http://www.facebook.com/joseph.a.white.16 Joseph A White

            Parsing words to make your point??

          • http://www.facebook.com/138900508 Patrick Dennehy

            My point is I don’t have a problem with gay people if they share 95% of my conservative values. I don’t necessarily think homosexuality is right. I am not a supporter of ‘loud and proud’. I think making it socially acceptable or something to be praised hurts children at a time when they could be questioning their own sexuality. My view on the subject is very complex and I don’t want to go into it right now. I will say this; I do believe some people are born that way and some people, through a series of events, choose to be that way. I don’t want to chastise people born that way(if they hold mostly conservative values) and want to help the others to make better choices.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IQIGXRVWW5XRETNV25R4FATCOM ssenecal5000

        HUH? it doesnt moron. But social conservatism can not be divorced from fiscal conservatims
        Social Conservatism uphold society’s measures to insure children have fathers , who pay up. . You cant have fiscal conservatism without holding onto the very things that insure dead beat dad’s do the right thing

        • mike_in_kosovo

          But social conservatism can not be divorced from fiscal conservatism

          Sez who?

        • John (it true me am)

          That’s absurd. Fiscal and social conservatism are two very different things and have only become linked as they are in very recent times. What we would call social conservatism used to be the platform of the Democrats as a matter of fact(actual anti-sodomy *laws* and the like), with old school Republicans maintaining roughly the same moderate libertarian-esque position they do today(don’t like it, but don’t legislate it).

      • des111168

        “One can be socially conservative without being religious. Socially conservative means the government does not have a say in one does in their personal life and how they live it.”

        That is NOT what socially conservative means. That’s libertarianism. NOT THE SAME THING.

    • Stone Bryson

      You might want to check the writings of ‘true conservative’ Barry Goldwater before making that assertion. Just sayin’…

      • http://www.facebook.com/joseph.a.white.16 Joseph A White

        And why would I wish to do that, Stone?? You may call Senator Goldwater a “true” conservative. I do not.

        • Stone Bryson

          That pretty much tells me everything I need to know about you.

          • http://www.facebook.com/joseph.a.white.16 Joseph A White

            And why on earth would I care about what YOU need to know about me, Stone??

          • Stone Bryson

            No reason I can think of at the moment. :-)

          • http://www.facebook.com/joseph.a.white.16 Joseph A White

            Fair enough.. :-)

          • des111168

            Then you need to re-evaluate what you know, because Goldwater went squishy when he was old, and not just on sodomy, but also on supporting the EPA and becoming outright hostile to churches. He was a Libertarian.

          • Stone Bryson

            Perhaps YOU are the one in need of re-evaluation. Goldwater was NEVER comfortable with (what he saw as) the religious right’s infiltration of the conservative movement, going back to the days when he called “Mr Conservative.” You’re right, however – his hostility did come later, after the party was firmly in fundamentalist pockets.

            I will agree with you on one other thing, from a different angle; what was called ‘conservative’ in 1964 is now referred to as ‘libertarian’ today, excepting some of the attitudes toward foreign policy. Neither one is ‘true’ or ‘false’ conservatism (as if such a thing can exist), merely a matter of perspective.

            And yes, before you ask, I AM a libertarian / Goldwater conservative. Small “L” libertarian (I do not belong to the party), but libertarian nevertheless.

        • TocksNedlog

          Which current politicians do you consider to be ‘true conservatives’?

    • John (it true me am)

      There is no link between being socially conservative and not being homosexual. You confuse theology with politics. There is no rule that says to be socially conservative you have to follow a religious ideology that excludes homosexuals. For that matter it is in fact possible to be simultaneously homosexual and against legislated gay marriage(the actual *political* issue) from a religious freedom stance..

      You also seem to confuse a political lobby(the “agenda”) with simply being gay. Two very different things. One can be gay without having anything to do with pushing the activist agenda.

      • http://www.facebook.com/joseph.a.white.16 Joseph A White

        I never confused theology with politics, my friend. As I said earlier, sodomy has ALWAYS been shunned in ALL societies until quite recently. And not merely for religious reasons, either. Nor did I say that being homosexual was any sort of crime or any such thing. What people do in privacy is their own business. But the moment one injects his homosexuality into the discourse, it becomes political, where it should be kept to oneself. Why would a person tout the fact of his/her homosexuality if not to influence and/or attempt to change the SOCIAL perception of the issue?? You cannot have it both ways.

        • John (it true me am)

          It is simply untrue that it has been shunned in all societies. In many cultures it was considered almost required. Ancient Greeks and Romans are some of the most notable examples, though as they are also associated with general hedonism perhaps not the best when looking at it from an “acceptable” standpoint. Japan is particularly interesting in that field, with homosexual relations being considered outright better as a strange form of sexism(the Meiji revolution up through the end of WW2 being extremely sexually repressive and responsible for many misconceptions about the overall historical record on that regard).

          • http://www.facebook.com/joseph.a.white.16 Joseph A White

            My apologies. I realize that there are exceptions to just about everything. the fact remains that the vast majority of “civilized” societies rejected sodomy, and not always for religious reasons. Any attempt to “normalize” the practice of homosexuality is NOT conservative. That is my whole argument. Pretty simple, really.

          • http://www.facebook.com/138900508 Patrick Dennehy

            wait? I can’t have oral copulation with my wife now? yeah – no, that’s not cool. I guess I am for sodomy.

          • http://www.facebook.com/joseph.a.white.16 Joseph A White

            You need to check your definition of “sodomy”, Pat.

          • http://www.facebook.com/138900508 Patrick Dennehy

            I did check: It means #anal or oral copulation with the same or opposite sex

          • John (it true me am)

            Again, that’s really not the case. Societies that have rejected it are virtually entirely hinged on religion. And many of those are far from civilized, including early to mid medieval Europe and even modern Muslim nations. Most countries whose background is not Abrahamic religions simply didn’t care like we do until they were touched by colonialization.

            I personally am not gay but soundly reject the idea that homosexuality is inherently non-conservative. It isn’t either conservative or liberal, it simply is.

            Men and women who have extramarital affairs, anyone who engages in wanton and purely carnal sexual relationships, etc… Those aren’t conservative. But a committed relationship between two people who happen to be of the same gender? That’s a billion times more conservative than most people no matter how you slice it.

          • http://www.black-and-right.com/ IceColdTroll

            It was only in Rome’s recognized “decadent” period that homosexuality became normalized, before that, they were actually rather straight-laced. I’m not familiar with enough the ancient Greeks to make any assertions, however I would observe that, along with any ancient society — so what? I don’t think anyone would advocate for the Spartan model of assigning 12 year old boys to every man, so why should any other aspect of their culture be used as a model or an excuse?

            As for Japan, I think you are somewhat off base. As I understand it, same-sex relationships are considered acceptable for kids, but it is expected that they grow out of it as they mature. Sex in Japan in general — wow. I’ve seen some point to Japan as a model for a healthy attitude toward sex. I dunno, I think tentacle porn and vending machines where you can buy teen girls’ used underwear is slightly less than normative.

            My own take is, that Japan in just about every other imaginable way is possibly the most inhibited, regimented, and repressed culture on the face of the Earth, and their wildly UN-inhibited sexuality is quite the reverse of a healthy approach, it is practically a schizophrenic response to being so repressed in every other way, basically a relief valve to act out all their other resentment and frustration.

          • John (it true me am)

            You missed the point. Those cultures were offhand and wellknown examples considered the height of civilization even at the times of their accepting of homosexuality. Meanwhile many cultures who are strictly against homosexuality even in the most modern age are outright barbaric.

            As for Japan, not off base at all. The younger kids thing isn’t true, it’s accepted by the post WW2 generations fairly commonly.

            But you actually just proved my point a bit with the following bit. Japan, prior to the Meiji revolution and post WW2 is very much a country that meets the standard to be a pinnacle of civilization both in the modern age and historical categories. You are judging sexual behavior by western and Abrahamic religious values, not by an objective standard. Which is the entire issue I was bringing up to begin with, the disdain for “sodomy”(read: homosexuality) is a religious matter not a political one.

            I never said that we should follow the path of other cultures either, be it the Spartan example(which funny enough is virtually identical to the Samurai model as well) or modern east Asia’s complete lack of sexual inhibition. Simply that, assuming of course no blatant crime is being committed(rape, slave trade, etc.) that it is foolish to say someone who partakes in a, to us, alternate form of sexuality is not conservative simply because of our personal Religious values.

        • http://extremesplash.wordpress.com/ Ben Bollman

          Why would a gay person tell others they are gay? Because a guy holding hands with another guy is going to confuse a lot of people if they don’t tell people they are gay.

          • http://www.facebook.com/joseph.a.white.16 Joseph A White

            Hogwash.

          • http://extremesplash.wordpress.com/ Ben Bollman

            That was a joke, but I do fail to see how telling people about your life even if you don’t agree with it is some kind of political statement as long as they are not trying to shove it down your throat. Now if they said “Those a-holes won’t let us get married!” then that would be a political statement.

          • http://www.facebook.com/joseph.a.white.16 Joseph A White

            Do you go around discussing YOUR sex life, Ben??

          • http://extremesplash.wordpress.com/ Ben Bollman

            If I had one I would lol. Just kidding. Seriously though, people are going to know someone is gay whether they talk about their sex life or not. I do know one thing though: whether they keep it to themselves or not is not a determining factor of being conservative.

          • John (it true me am)

            Eh, there is a difference in saying “I’m gay” and talking about your sex life. I’ve heard more straight men and women make comments about their actual sex life(ex: I had sex in this position for this duration this many times with this person last night) and those around them than I have gay men or women. 100 to 1 if you hear the phrase “look at the ass on her” it’s coming out of a straight man’s mouth and not a lesbian woman’s.

  • V the K

    A gay conservative? Why that’s as absurd as a female gun-owner!

    • http://www.4chan.org/pol La’Milton

      i lold

    • journogal

      And as rare as a minority conservative. /sarc (*added)

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002109532283 Jillane Kent

        Oh really? Did you purposely ignore the fact that there are quite a few prominent minority conservatives?

        • journogal

          I was being sarcastic. Yes, I know there are many many and I would love to see more. Perhaps I should’ve included the /sarc tag, because I was commenting on the way the MSM treats minority conservatives. Did not mean to offend anyone. Click on my DISQUS profile and see that I am firmly a conservative and firmly support those who are too. Sorry if you and others mis-read me.

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002109532283 Jillane Kent

            I offer my apologies as well for misreading. This topic is particularly contentious, thus sarcasm is becoming ever harder to discern.

          • journogal

            No problem…completely understand. I’ll work on my sarcasm and remember to include the /sarc tag.

      • AdoEdem

        It’s especially annoying when eight times out of ten it’s lily-white leftists pretending I don’t exist.

        /golf clap

        • journogal

          True…

    • des111168

      Reading comments on Twitchy, not as absurd as “Liberal Republican”, apparently.

  • Stone Bryson

    What a tool, although I should not be surprised this is coming from AIM. This is this same group, after all, who pushed the ‘Vince Foster was murdered by Clinton’ nonsense. Even I, who wears a tin-foil-hat with pride (seriously, I have pics), would never touch that absurdity.

    If conservatives are wise (and judging from the backlash I believe many are), they’ll cut ties with this vile org. Humble opinion, of course…

  • JoeMyGodNYC

    I’m glad to see GOProud fighting this AIM article and taking time out of their busy schedule of faking anti-gay hate crimes.

    • TocksNedlog

      Links? Citations?

      • JoeMyGodNYC

        If ONLY there were a magical machine to research such topics! Google this: GOProud and “fake hate crime”. They’ve been involved in three, at least.

  • Squirrel!

    Because being gay means you’re narrow minded & only deal with the issue of sexual orientation? Yeah, um, okay… if they say so. I’ll let my gay friends know that they’ll need to change their party affiliation since they aren’t aware that they can have no other issue(s) to address in this world.

  • https://twitter.com/davidjkramer DavidKramer

    We will attack social conservatives for attacking gay conservatives……………….CIRCULAR FIRING SQUAD!!!!!!!!!!! FIRE!!!!!!

    Doing the job the marxists cannot do.

    • http://www.facebook.com/joseph.a.white.16 Joseph A White

      Since when is having a civil discussion of the issue tantamount to “attacking” and “killing” one another, David?? Can like minded people not have differing opinions on anything? And I thought it was only liberals that had to march in lock step with one another.

      • Stone Bryson

        On this we can agree… 1^

      • https://twitter.com/davidjkramer DavidKramer

        Just reading the twitter comments and the comments here. Seems like a circular firing squad to me. By the way, I love me some hyperbole and metaphors, don’t you? Or are you going to suggest that I put a target over you or something?

    • http://extremesplash.wordpress.com/ Ben Bollman

      We need to be having these discussions now instead of 4 years from now when we are scattered in five different directions trying to get everyone to vote for one candidate like we did in 2012. We need to get the progressive elements out of our party. We need to get these things hashed out so we can present a unified front in 2014 and 2016.

      • http://www.facebook.com/joseph.a.white.16 Joseph A White

        True that, Ben…

      • https://twitter.com/davidjkramer DavidKramer

        No, we need to not allow the Republican party to run anything this time. Or maybe you enjoy having debates with Democrat operatives as the moderators? I know, let’s get Jeb Bush or Chris Christie to run! Them two is some inclusive guys, they are so inclusive they are progressives just like the Democrats.

        • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002109532283 Jillane Kent

          By saying that the progressive element needs to be expunged, Christie and Bush would not even factor into the equation…hopefully.

        • http://extremesplash.wordpress.com/ Ben Bollman

          What I am saying since apparently you didn’t read anything I said since I agree with you is that we need to be having arguments NOW instead of down the road when we are trying to get someone elected. Then we need to agree on a plan of action and execute it better than we have the last four years.

          • https://twitter.com/davidjkramer DavidKramer

            I already have my plan and it works for me. Peaceful non compliance with any statute or regulation that comes out of the District of Corruption. Your Republican party will sell you out just as fast as the Democrats will. You are fighting both pigs at the trough. If you really think you are going to make a difference against them in the political arena you are sadly mistaken. Give me ONE example where legislation has been reversed, not even repealed, reversed. Unless the Republicans completely and utterly give up their compromise rhetoric, expect to see more people like me just refuse to comply. I will vote but I will never again vote for a squish, ever.

          • http://extremesplash.wordpress.com/ Ben Bollman

            Why do you think I am representing the Republican Party or something? I am conservative, not Republican. You are putting words into my mouth for some reason. I’m with you, we have to stand firm and expose the RINOs and establishment. The change starts with the public, the public voted these idiots into office and we have to expose them. Just being angry isn’t going to change anything, we have to have a strategy and instead of 5 true conservative candidates running in the primary splitting the vote against an establishment candidate we need to put up only one Tea Party candidate against the establishment next time..

  • $42287495

    Its a world view thing. Where does one draw the line on what a conservative is. I think its safe to say, ppl that celebrate the idea of a man having sex with his brother have crossed the line. I’m a big tent conservative but not circus tent.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002109532283 Jillane Kent

      Why does simply not concerning yourself with who puts what where mean you are “celebrating” their sexual preference?

      • $42287495

        They don’t call it a marriage celebration for nothing

        • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002109532283 Jillane Kent

          Have you seen the Log Cabin or GOProud stance on gay marriage, by chance?

          • http://www.facebook.com/138900508 Patrick Dennehy

            Exactly, conservative gays are not trying to change the tradition definition of marriage

          • des111168

            They inevitably will. “Gay Conservative”… what comes first in that name?

  • SJ’s Dad

    Can you even imagine the MSM outrage if the writers (pretzel) logic were applied to libs:
    “There’s no such thing as a straight lib” . . . ARE YOU KIDDING ME!!!!! . . .
    (They’d be pushing a 10-15 year stretch in Leavenworth for “Hate Crimes!!!!!)

    • http://www.facebook.com/joseph.a.white.16 Joseph A White

      Not all liberals are gay, however, all “loud & proud” gays are socially liberal.

  • NCRelite

    We should support gay conservatives and welcome them. It doesn’t mean we need to compromise our values or religious beliefs. Live and let live. Something tells me the conservative gay person isn’t the one marching in the gay pride parade wearing a rainbow thong.

    • el_polacko

      …and so what if that gay conservative enjoys busting out the rainbow thong for a celebration ?
      we don’t condemn straight conservatives for participating in carnival.
      there’s no reason to condemn someone nor cast them out of conservatism just because they like to party from time to time. you don’t have to be a sourpuss to be a conservative.

      • des111168

        “..and so what if that gay conservative enjoys busting out the rainbow thong for a celebration ?”… then he certainly isn’t conservative. See: Libertarians.

      • John (it true me am)

        I agree that the same standards should be held for both, but I actually do “condemn”(just to keep the same wordage) social conservatives for participating in stuff like that. I have no issue with libertarian behavior, but I would hardly call it socially conservative.

        In other words… if you are gay or straight and walking around in public in a leather speedo or throwing beads at people to see nude flesh to whomever your sexual attraction demands, you aren’t acting very conservatively. And yes, that goes for the supposedly conservative straight men who frequent strip clubs and the like.

        But as I said, no issue with people being libertarian here. But you can’t just rewrite that sort of stuff as socially conservative.

        • http://www.facebook.com/joseph.a.white.16 Joseph A White

          This has been my entire point, John.

          • John (it true me am)

            While I’m glad we can agree on that much, the thing is you seem to include the very fact of being homosexual along with the, let’s say “flamboyant”(straight or gay) acts. And while someone dancing in the street with a rainbow thong as per the original post isn’t acting conservative no matter what they profess, a fully dressed man who is in a committed relationship that happens to be homosexual certainly can be in my mind.

      • TocksNedlog

        If you want to actually know what you’re talking about, then you need to come along to one of our “cast them out of conservatism” meetings.

    • des111168

      The Republican Party, perhaps, with the big tent idea. But not the conservative movement itself. Republican ≠ Conservative, always, but Conservative almost always = Republican.

  • des111168

    Seeing the responses here just confirms it: Libertarians, go to your own party. Conservatives will make their own. If you’re going to talk like liberals, then we have nothing in common. “Right Wing” does not necessarily equal “Conservative”. The writer was correct.

    • http://www.facebook.com/joseph.a.white.16 Joseph A White

      You are quite correct.

  • el_polacko

    one’s innate sexual orientation does not dictate one’s politics or religion or anything else except their sexual orientation. plenty of people who espouse conservative political principles also happen to be gay.

  • http://www.facebook.com/100000220517250 Thomas Collins

    Sado-masochistic homosexuality has no place in a civilized society. In twenty years we will resemble not Rome but Sparta. When women act like men, men act like animals

  • irishgirl91

    So if you agree that what consenting adults do in their private lives has nothing to do with the government, you are a marxist? I truly don’t understand how being gay (whether you believe it’s a choice or the way you are born) cancels out anything else you believe in your life. The marriage issue is just that, an issue, we can agree or disagree on that as much as taxes or free trade. To shut the door on “membership” in an ideology because of sex is just ridiculous.

  • https://twitter.com/thehiredmind Hired Mind

    Oh FFS! CPAC is obviously a socially conservative organization. Why should they have to pretend that homosexuality is compatible with their socially conservative beliefs? I don’t share their beliefs – but I salute CPAC and Mr. Kincaid for standing up for them.

    For two days, conservatives have been railing against the liberals who are aghast that the Catholic Church would actually choose a Pope that (gasp!) doesn’t believe in homosexuality. And yet CPAC is expected to compromise on their values without resistance. Should they enthusiastically embrace gay marriage as well?

    And they are right: if you’re talking about socially conservative, then there IS no such thing as a gay social conservative. They simply didn’t specify social vs. fiscal conservative.

    • NCRelite

      I totally disagree. A gay person can be pro life, an advocate of state’s rights, and interested in preserving American culture –all characteristics of social conservatism. I would also define someone as socially conservative if they are modest, productive, and charitable. I don’t think you necessarily have to follow the Gospel to be defined as a social conservative. In fact there are many Christian Democrats

      • https://twitter.com/thehiredmind Hired Mind

        So if you have a group who shares the core tenets that you just defined “advocate of state’s rights, and interested in preserving American culture”, should you be attacked because you didn’t invite someone to be a prominent speaker, who advocates for strong central government and abolition of states rights?

        Perhaps GOProud should be forced to invite a religious conservative speaker who believes that homosexuality is “against God’s plan”.

        CPAC has a certain set of values. They believe that homosexuality is antithetical to those values. Why should they invite people to speak at their conference who are specifically advocating things they don’t agree with?

        In the wider conservative movement, certainly members of the two groups can cooperate on other issues like states rights and smaller government. But within the scope of the two groups, they aren’t compatible.

  • Gregg Hammerquist

    Pretty sure I’m a conservative and while I may not act on my homosexual feelings (due to religious beliefs), I’m still considered ‘gay’.

    • des111168

      I’m pretty sure the author meant people that DO act on those feelings and then proclaim a conservative label. We are what we do, and everything we do is a choice, as you yourself have noted. Compulsion ≠ Justification, as every system of morality in the world will tell you, not just Abrahamic faiths. The author would probably laud you, if I’m reading his intent correctly.

  • Adela Wagner

    “Viewpoints” are fine, however I find the TRUTH finer. Shouldn’t there be at least the standard of backing up a viewpoint with FACTS if you’re given a soapbox column? If he had said he does not believe gay people should be in conservative groups I would think he’s a bigot, but certainly allowed his opine, but to say there “are none” clearly shows a lack of getting off his ass and looking around.

    • http://www.facebook.com/138900508 Patrick Dennehy

      You’re a smart cookie Adela, don’t let anyone tell you other wise :)

  • Ryan

    No surprise. For four years, AIM employed notorious gay-hater Peter LaBarbera, who moonlighted as chairman of Accuracy in Academia when he wasn’t churning out The Lambda Report in his dank basement. Overnight, AIM’s sister organization and its newspaper, Campus Report, became OBSESSED with gay issues, to the detriment of more pressing matters on American college campuses. Fed up, I eventually stopped distributing the free newspaper at my school. Nor was I alone.

  • shimauma

    I’m still confused by people who chose to munch butt as a hobby being excluded from a conservative gathering is causing such a backlash from PC whiners. The truth is, people who choose to put their junk into a sewage canal probably are not going to give very wise political counsel.

    • Ryan

      Maybe because THEY didn’t choose to be gay any more than YOU chose to be straight.

      • des111168

        Everything we do is a choice.

      • shimauma

        just like a thief doesn’t chose to be a thief, a murderer doesn’t chose to be a murderer, and a pedophile doesn’t chose to be a pedophile? Yeah, I’ve heard those excuses before. Psychology is how man justifies sinful behavior.

  • MattiMuck

    Sooo twitchy is no longer a conservative site?…because that’s what it looks like from here.

  • http://www.facebook.com/100000220517250 Thomas Collins

    The emotional development issues that homosexuals face is enough to say that they do not qualify to tell the rest of us how to live.

  • Patsplacepp

    Hate me for saying this and it is coming from a left leaning voice, but this “tread” is why Republicans/Conservatives are having such a hard time bring undecided, RINO’s and even some moderate Democrats into the Quote unquote Big Tent. The Main Stream Media fixes it sights on people like @yahoo-IQIGXRVWW5XRETNV25R4FATCOM:disqus and @facebook-1793231284:disqus views and blasts that as the God’s Truth of what people on the Right think. And honestly no offense to either of you. I don’t believe in your views at all but you have all right to express them here or anywhere. Just know that it plays into how the rest of America views the Republican party. And yes CPAC isn’t the GOP but again MSM has no problem lumping everything right of centre into on. Regardless what you think, there are a majority of the left that actually hold a lot of the same values people on the right hold. I sent this feed to Republica friends in Chicago and Seattle (not many I’m sure and the majority of my friends are left learning) but they shook their heads and said this is why its so hard to change peoples minds. We (Republicans) aren’t the bad guys but MSM jumps on anything going to the extreme (Religion, Race, Sex) and the right walks into the fire with both barrels blazing. Honestly I’ve said this before, I’d love to see the GOP win the next election just so the right could see how hard it is get the USA back on track. (And to be perfectly open I don’t live here, just have friends and family that do) The GOP, The Right, Conservatives can place their hands in their pockets or place their heads in the sand. This perception is happening. Complain all you want but Gays, Minorities, Youth and the Poor are getting a message that is harder and harder to change. And for every Rubio or Allen West who bring their respective skin colours with them, there’s 70% and 95% respectively walking left. I can’t even think of someone Gay or anyone on the right that gets the 25 and under excited. Just my two cents and IMHO.

    • Patrick Dennehy

      I think people on the Right(old schoolers) don’t want to appeal to a ‘mainstream audience’. To them(me/us/we) it’s compromising their core values to gain favor/votes. I feel Conservatism is on ‘the right’ side of most arguments, thus the truth should win out. Sadly, the schools systems and MSM are dead set against have that truth be the prevailing voice. We honestly don’t want RINO’s or moderates mucking it up because it’s pulling us further away from what we stand for.

      With homosexuality, I believe there is a fine distinction between promoting/supporting/tolerating/admonishing. I don’t think it’s right to ‘hate’ on them but it’s not something to be celebrated either. I like a lot of ‘young’ conservatives (though I’m not so young anymore) are willing to let bygones be bygones. What one does is their business, I am not going to wince at the sight of a homosexual couple. That said, I am not going to go around giving high fives or letting my children think ‘it’s cool’ to be gay. People are born that way but this whole gay promotional agenda is just too much. Promoting it as something cool or hip gives children who may be struggling with their sexual identity the wrong message. About 6% of the population is born gay but the media would have you believe it’s a much higher percentage and thus a mainstream/hip thing to be.

      Anyways, they are people like everybody else, so just people need to relax and go about their daily basis. People make it such a divisive issue; I just want everyone to relax and not get so contentious. I think they should have the rights of any other couple. Being in a committed/monogamous relationship is a conservative thing to do; if that’s the case, I welcome you.

      I just wanted you to know someone actually read your post :)