GOProud’s exclusion from CPAC sparks burst of support for gay conservatives

The Conservative Political Action Conference (CPAC) is less than a month away and the now-annual kerfuffle over the participation of gay conservative group GOProud was in full swing on Twitter this weekend.

When GOProud co-sponsored CPAC in 2011, several conservative groups boycotted the conference. Later that year, the American Conservative Union’s board of directors voted to exclude GOProud from formal participation in 2012 and the welcome mat is still rolled up.

Naturally, the liberal media presented this as unimpeachable evidence of the Right’s “H8” and intolerance. But among conservatives on Twitter, there’s little controversy over whether to embrace gay conservatives as allies in the fight against the progressive agenda.

Many on the Right have harsh words for some of GOProud’s past decisions.

Shortly before the 2011 CPAC, GOProud co-founder Chris Barron branded conservative attorney Cleta Mitchell a “nasty bigot.” And in late 2011, the group attracted an avalanche of well-deserved criticism, including condemnation from its own members, for the appalling outing of Gov. Rick Perry’s chief pollster.

But for many conservatives, this isn’t about deifying a particular organization while ignoring its warts. It’s about not marginalizing dedicated conservative warriors, gay or straight.

And here’s something else the mainstream media won’t tell you: It’s not just squishes criticizing CPAC.

Plenty of social conservatives are eager to fight liberalism alongside gay allies.

Indeed, many gay conservatives are stalwart champions of fiscal conservatism, patriotism, the pro-life movement, and even — gasp! — traditional marriage. Meanwhile, the ACU promoted conservafraud Donald Trump and embraces Grover Norquist, a board member who has actively undermined conservative goals. (Norquist also joined the GOProud advisory council in 2010.)

In fact, CPAC welcomes many speakers who disagree with the ACU on crucial issues.

Yes, MSNBC host Chris Hayes received an invitation to speak on a CPAC panel this year. That’s the same Chris Hayes who said he was “uncomfortable” calling fallen soldiers “heroes.”

At least one conservative blogger suggested a free market solution.

Exit question from blogger Sister Toldjah:

  • http://norunnyeggs.com/ steveegg

    I see the annual “Make us the new normal” battle is on.

    • Bristel

      What IS normal? You? Bwahahaha.

      • des111168

        Yes, he is. Conservatism has become, to a great extent, shorthand for “normal”, while liberalism (and libertarianism) is all about flying the freak flag.

    • Scott Jacobs

      Yeah, wanting to take part in CPAC it TOTALLY making that argument. How clever of you to figure that out.

    • Bristel

      I think of this as the millionth iteration of “we’re not that much different than you” battle. Sexuality is only one part, and yes, I’d agree, there are some who take their sexuality so seriously that flaunting it is the only thing they can do, but straight people do exactly the same thing.

      • DreadPirateStarbucks

        Please tell me when the next straight pride parade is so that I and my children can avoid the nudity and disgusting heteros having sex in the street for the whole town to see. Wait, they DON’T have those?? Huh. Well gays sure do. Straight people do NOT do exactly the same thing. You know?

        • Finrod Felagund

          You just missed it, it was called Mardi Gras.

          • DreadPirateStarbucks

            I’ve been to Mardi Gras celebrations in other towns (besides New Orleans, I’ve never been there) and I’ve never seen that. Just saying.

          • Finrod Felagund

            I’m guessing you’ve never been to Key West at the end of October, either.

          • Finrod Felagund

            And if you’ve never seen pictures of girls flashing their breasts on Bourbon Street during Mardi Gras, you truly lead a sheltered life.

          • DreadPirateStarbucks

            Well, that’s your opinion based on knowing nothing about my life. Jumping to conclusions, how very you.

  • Maxx

    Have we become so stubborn and judgmental that we’d rather the person in front of us at the voting line be a straight liberal rather than a gay conservative?

    • http://www.facebook.com/luke.givens.963 Luke Givens

      Why yes, yes you have.

      And I’m sure before the last election (or after the election, had you won it) most of you would still be saying, “who cares about the votes from this disgusting perverted 1% of the population”, but now of course that you are desperate for every vote and a few of you have actually figured out that gays have straight allies and supporters you’re introspective, self-flagellating and kumbayahhing about how stubborn and judgmental you’ve become. No sale.

      • Bumr50

        It’s not my fault that you embrace group identity over individual rights.

        Your loss, not mine.

        I accept anyone that loves their country as it was founded.

        • http://www.facebook.com/luke.givens.963 Luke Givens

          Yeah and nothing screams embracing individual rights like amending the constitution to prevent same sex couples from marrying, which was your last candidates position. Though to be fair it was only his position 52% of the time.

          • http://www.vatican.va/ Rulz

            Ideally, it should be up to the states to decide family law.

          • http://extremesplash.wordpress.com/ Ben Bollman

            I bet a good majority of gay people would rather have a job and not starve than be able to call their civil union a “marriage”

          • Hiraghm

            In which case I’d bet that ‘good majority’ don’t, and don’t want to, belong to GOPROUD…

          • philomena

            Bill Clinton gladly signed the DOMA.

          • Hiraghm

            You don’t have to amend the Constitution to prevent the re-definition of marriage.
            There’s no such thing as “same-sex couples”. There are people who are sexually attracted to members of the same sex, period. I will not even pretend to place such an association on the same platform as normal, healthy, natural (meaning heterosexual) mating practices.

          • http://extremesplash.wordpress.com/ Ben Bollman

            We shouldn’t turn away good conservatives though even if we disagree with their lifestyle. It reminds me of liberal atheists and conservative atheists, the difference is the conservative atheists are not trying to take away a Christian’s right to freely practice their beliefs. I think it is the same with most gay conservatives, they are not trying to redefine marriage and mostly just want to be left alone. If we hope to win the war against progressivism we need all the soldiers we can get and when we turn away good conservative gay people it just reinforces everything the left says about us.

          • Finrod Felagund

            Well-said, Ben.

          • Bristel

            They said the same thing about interracial couples back before the civil rights movement kicked into full swing. Are you against miscegenation?

          • http://www.facebook.com/Prowl1984 Tom Lund

            Really? are you comparing what black people had to go through to what gay people are going through now?

          • Bristel

            I could never compare what happened to black people to what gays go through. I guess lynchings of gay people don’t happen. But pretending that the reasonings and logic and arguments used against African-Americans in the past are not now being used against gay people doesn’t make the comparison any less poignant, even if it is apples and oranges.

          • GTFOBigGovt

            Pretend was a good choice of words for your position.

      • Pat Loudoun

        You start with “And I’m sure…”. Why would you think that anyone in their right mind would think you know WTF you’re talking about? Idiot progs will never understand the conservative mind.

        • http://www.facebook.com/luke.givens.963 Luke Givens

          Why would I know? Because I read comment sections on sites like this as a
          sort of guilty pleasure, and yeah with notable exceptions “perverted 1% of the population
          shoving their agenda down everyone’s throats” pretty much sums up the conservative view on gays. (Aside: why always this obsession with things being shoved down your throats?).

          • tdpwells

            I’m conservative and don’t consider them perverted. I do, however, consider liberals of all orientations as ‘shoving their agenda down my throat.’

            So no, actually, your statement doesn’t sum up the conservative view on gays as this very post proves. Take your blanket statements elsewhere.

          • RogueRose

            But Luke voted twice for a president who opposed gay marriage. (or would have if he was old enough.)

          • http://www.facebook.com/luke.givens.963 Luke Givens

            Well better a president who at least evolved on the issue than a candidate who, in an effort to appease bible thumpers promised to amend the constitution to ban it. Lesser of two evils, as I’m sure many people who held their nose and voted for Romney also felt.

          • philomena

            A president who “evolved”? Really? You really bought that? He lied. When he needed the black vote to win his senate seat, he was against gay marriage. When he needed the fundraising quarter of the gay vote at election time, he was for gay marriage. Again, Bill Clinton signed the Defense of Marriage Act.

          • http://www.facebook.com/luke.givens.963 Luke Givens

            Both presidential candidates are politicians, so yeah, they both peddle a lot of crap that I don’t buy, and they are both opportunists. But if I’m forced to pick I will go with the one that is an opportunist moving in the general direction of marriage equality and who panders to the ones in favor of it, and not with the opportunist who is moving against marriage equality and panders to the ones against it.

          • v1cious

            You can’t be serious. Do you think Obama had ANY chance of losing the gay vote? Consider the alternative.

          • geronl

            Then you are a Demoturd

          • http://www.facebook.com/luke.givens.963 Luke Givens

            That was productive, and you’re a dumb poopyhead republiturd. Nyah!

          • AMERICAN Kafir™(KAdams)

            Well, I’d have to say you’re pretty ignorant about us Bible-thumpers.

          • Hiraghm

            He appeased me, as well, and my objection to the homosexual agenda is based on reason, not Biblical injunctions.

          • Pat Loudoun

            Again, you have no idea how true conservatives think. You want to blow another guy? Have at it. I just don’t need it broadcasted, any more than I would broadcast what my girlfriend’s favorite position is.

            Does that make sense to you in any way?

          • http://www.facebook.com/luke.givens.963 Luke Givens

            Well great, so you think my wanting to marry a partner of the same sex is the same as broadcasting to the world that I like to blow guys, just like if you were to announce you are marrying your girlfriend it is equivalent to telling us you like to have sex with her. You sound really enlightened, can I join your party?

          • geronl

            do you want school children taught its normal? do you think gay child molesters (recruiters) should be executed?

          • Bristel

            Do you think straight child molesters should be executed?

          • v1cious

            Oh yeah let’s go down that road, especially since all the teacher molestation cases as of recently involved straight women.

          • http://www.vatican.va/ Rulz

            You might want to look at the numbers more carefully. Key sections of the democrat base oppose so-called “gay marriage”.

            It’s probably more divided along age groups than anything else.

            Also, I’m not going to call GLBTQ perverted.

          • Finrod Felagund

            Indeed. Sixty percent of blacks in California voted for Proposition 8.

          • Hiraghm

            Calling a tail a leg doesn’t make the name fit.

            From Merriam-Webster: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/pervert
            1
            a : to cause to turn aside or away from what is good or true or morally right : corrupt
            b : to cause to turn aside or away from what is generally done or accepted : misdirect
            2
            a : to divert to a wrong end or purpose : misuse
            b : to twist the meaning or sense of : misinterpret

            The term fits.

          • DwellsInFire

            I wonder how many times in all of the years the gays have been whining about gay marriage they ever supported true marriage equality, you know, plural marriage and incestuous marriage? Oh, that’s right, NEVER! And when it is brought up, the gays show their bigotry and hypocrisy by opposing it. Gays want to deny others their rights, so no reason anybody should support gay “rights”.

          • http://www.facebook.com/Prowl1984 Tom Lund

            Agree with you 100%

          • AMERICAN Kafir™(KAdams)

            In any event, according to the Constitution, individuals have rights, not groups. So there is no such thing as ‘gay rights’ or ‘women’s rights’.

          • Maxx

            That opinion would make sense if gays were the only group against incestuous marriage. As it is, they share that view with straights.

            Folks…it’s certainly understandable why religious-minded conservatives would be adamantly opposed to gay marriage but if you truly feel that way, isn’t it possible to express that viewpoint without degrading others…by simply quoting biblical references? That’s what we despise about the left, is it not? That debasement of those who disagree with them?

          • Hiraghm

            Don’t forget my my human right to marry my dog… /sarc

          • philomena

            I wouldn’t wish that on any dog.

          • http://twitter.com/KahNayNay KahNayNay

            Not all conservatives should be lumped into your box. Most conservatives under 45 like myself, think that marriage equality should be legal in states that vote for it….but that isn’t the entire gay stance, now is it? Just because you come to this site and see consertards on her spouting their bigotry and ignorance, doesn’t mean all conservatives fall into your stereotypical box.

          • disqus_asRExhpO2v

            Whenever they use “marriage equality” you know they are a liberal that’s just trying to please others and be cool.

          • Guest

            Then you’re not a true conservative if you support the radical gay agenda.

          • http://www.vatican.va/ Rulz

            So-called “gay marriage” needs to be called what it is: an entitlement.

            States should decide how they want to handle it.

            The radical gay agenda now has more preening, self-loathing straights in it than it does GLBTQ folks.

          • AMERICAN Kafir™(KAdams)

            I agree… Civil unions are just fine, in my opinion. ‘Marriage’ is a term initiated in the Bible, between a man and a woman. (Original definition). There is nothing wrong, in my opinion, with having a state recognize said union. Marriage, however, is reserved for a ceremony before God. Regardless of what term you use, no matter the make-up of the couple, you are all still married to the state. I myself, got married in a courthouse. No church, no blessing… but still as legal and binding according to the state. The divorce was the same, no matter the nuptials.

          • geronl

            Marriage is marriage, gay marriage is a bastardization of the language

          • AMERICAN Kafir™(KAdams)

            Ketchup gets married though… (It was part of my side-work, way back in my day as a server). There was even a little gadget for it, so you didn’t spill ketchup all over the place.

          • http://www.facebook.com/luke.givens.963 Luke Givens

            Well, your reasonable opinion is being drowned out by bigoted ignorant conservatards, so there ya go.

          • geronl

            that is pretty much true though

          • Hiraghm

            1) “shoved down one’s throat” is a figure of speech, referring to being force-fed something, in most cases an agenda or ideology.
            2) there are no sites like this.

      • mike_in_kosovo

        Nice projection – maybe for your next post, you can square that against all the conservatives that are saying they don’t have a problem with gays?

        • http://www.facebook.com/luke.givens.963 Luke Givens

          I’m in fact pleasantly surprised by the lack of anti-gay bile in this comment thread. And a little skeptical: doesn’t change how much of it I have read over the years, including on this very site.

          • mike_in_kosovo

            Funny how that works – I’ve read plenty of anti-gay bile on liberal websites, too.

          • http://www.facebook.com/luke.givens.963 Luke Givens

            What sites would those be, and what type of comments?

          • DwellsInFire

            Don’t know what is considered anti-gay BILE, but liberals constantly need to be reminded of their hypocrisy and selective memory, and one doesn’t need to go to a blog to find anti-gay liberals. Here’s some famous ones who didn’t/don’t support gay marriage: Barack Obama, Joe Biden, Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton. Yep, by liberal terms, all hate mongering homophonic bigots.

          • mike_in_kosovo

            You first – start by showing those horrible comments by the majority of twitchy users that you claim to have read.

            You’ve got a pretty steep slog uphill to convince anyone that you’re *not* as blindly partisan as you claim we are, given the evidence of your posts in this thread.

          • http://www.facebook.com/luke.givens.963 Luke Givens

            Well compared to last night I see plenty of bile right in this thread, “abomination”, “mental illess”, pedophiles, incestuous marriage, all that jazz.

          • mike_in_kosovo

            Still waiting on that proof that it’s the majority of twitchy poster or the majority of conservatives.

            In *reality*, mind you…not your imaginary world.

          • http://www.facebook.com/luke.givens.963 Luke Givens

            Fair enough if I said somewhere it is the majority of conservatives I retract my comment. It does look like a hefty minority in this comment thread and those making anti-gay comments on this site are not called out immediately the way they would be on a liberal political site. But in any case CPAC excluding GoProud while including groups like the Family Research Council whose spokesmen are on record as saying gays recruit kids says volumes. Hopefully enough conservatives speak out against this and are noticed such that the decision is reversed.

          • mike_in_kosovo

            Called out on a liberal site? Like when mention is made of Larry Craig, you mean?

            Spare us the hypocrisy.

          • philomena

            I have to amend my comments and agree with you about the bile and bigotry from the persistent few on this site, but it is not representative of all conservatives or republicans. It also does not excuse the same behavior on the other side of the political spectrum. We have to speak up and confront both.

          • http://www.facebook.com/luke.givens.963 Luke Givens

            Agreed.

          • philomena

            Many of your “tolerant” democrat lefty brethren have used vile language and epithets to describe black, hispanic and gay conservatives. And women who are conservative have not escaped the “love” of the left.

          • Finrod Felagund

            Not to mention that liberals, especially the ones posting on conservative sites, love to use the gay slur ‘bagger’ or ‘teabagger’. I call them out on it and ask them “why do you hate gays?”

          • Bristel

            Well, to be fair, teabagging as a sexual act is not just a gay thing, straight people do it to with no need for awkward redesigning of anatomy.

        • Hiraghm

          Not having a problem with homosexuals and legitimizing their illness and agenda are two different things.

        • philomena

          Mike, unfortunately conservatives have the yoke of people who espouse hate and have attached themselves like barnacles to the conservative label and continue to provide the fodder that the democrats effectively use to condemn all republicans and conservatives.

          • mike_in_kosovo

            Libs have always been good at painting with the broad brush. Unfortunately, we let them.

      • Maxx

        My cousin, who I was quite close with, died of AIDS at the age of 24. It was right around the time we were just learning about the disease. I was 25. I also served with gays during a career in the military…during times when being gay would have you holding a bus ticket waiting to be sent home….and let me tell you, 99% of my sailors didn’t give a s&*t because those kids were some of the best warriors you’d ever find. I’ll dismiss your ugly words out of ignorance because how could you possibly know. However, your party asks conservatives not to judge while you seem to have no problem doing so yourself. Not all conservatives are anti-gay. In fact, I don’t know many who are. Most of my friends would be overjoyed to be in a voting line behind a gay conservative.

        You want some truth. Here’s some truth. I was a registered Democrat from 1979 to 2007. Liberals don’t WANT conservatives to embrace gays/lesbians and you and I both know why. You want to keep drawing wedges between the two so you can have ’em “all to yourself” in November. You know it, I know it….the children down the block know it. This same hypocrisy applies to how you treat and view minorites as well. Liberals complain about the lack of conservatives who accept gays/minorities yet privately, are overjoyed to continue that false narrative. Save your faux outrage for someone who doesn’t know your playbook inside and out.

        • http://www.facebook.com/luke.givens.963 Luke Givens

          Your first paragraph was great and thank-you for your service and for not giving a crap about serving with gays (no sarcasm intended).

          Then you decided to start crapping on liberals and blaming them because you’ve allowed your own party to be hijacked by anti-gay nutjobs. So why not be the party of personal responsibility you guys claim to be and clean out the morons in your own party, instead of whining about liberals drawing wedges. FYI, it’s not liberals that are deciding what groups can attend CPAC, just like it wasn’t a liberal who put a gun to your candidates’ heads and told them to talk about “legitimate rape” or “blessings from God”. I would be thrilled to have a choice between two parties that differ on economic or foreign policy, neither of which is controlled by anti-gay bible thumping loons.

          • Maxx

            I don’t know any conservative who agreed with that asinine “legitimate rape” or “blessings from God” comment. You just made my point. They were comments from one person, that were SOUNDLY denounced by conservatives nationwide and yet you think that one individual speaks for an entire party? It’s why he lost. Because many conservatives did NOT vote for him after that. The broad stroking highlighted above is a continuation, politically convenient I might add for the left, of the narrative that…as you wrote yourself…that the right are “anti-gay bible thumping loons.”
            FWIW, I’m what they used to call “Reagan Democrat,” which in this day, puts me squarely in the conservative wing of politics. Why? Because I know more conservatives who are pro-gay than I know liberals who are pro fiscal responsibility.
            Also, the difference between you and I is I used to be a member of YOUR party. I’m quite sure, noting the drivel above, you were never a registered Republican. As I illustrated earlier, I know the left’s playbook…inside and out. It’s why you’re so-called “war on poverty” continues to this day. Because without the downtrodden, what would be left…for the left…to offer low income voters….other than promises? It’s why liberals rush to attack prominent conservatives who are women and minorities…your party thinks you’re entitled to these people by some divine, gifted right. So…when one clearly is beginning to gain traction across the country, what do you folks do?

            Show a clip of Rubio taking a drink of water, not once…not several times…but drum roll please…..

            …155 times in one broadcast day.

            So…..tell me again which party consists of “loons?”

          • http://www.facebook.com/Prowl1984 Tom Lund

            Sorry, but they’re not conservatives if they’re pro-gay. Only liberals are pro-gay.

          • Maxx

            The number of positive tweets above and within the commentary would suggest your criteria to determine who is a conservative is a minority opinion. You are of course, entitled to it and are free to support the candidates for public office that mirror your views. I would not measure a man’s character based on one opinion. I’m not a one issue voter and have never met anyone I could agree with on every issue. I’m not sure I’d even want to, truth be told. That would be strangely, bizarre. For example, I believe marriage is between a man and a woman. I do support civil unions, so there is a prime example of someone who is willing to support policies which recognize legal rights of people in a relationship…without being “pro-gay.” I’d like to think I am in company with our last three conservative Presidents on that issue. Certainly with Reagan, that much I am sure of.

            To close, I think it’s common for people to have opinions about social issues that are neither pro or against. Call it a acknowledgment that to demand a country recognize one’s own “freedom,” it often requires you to let others enjoy it as well. Life shouldn’t be reduced to a laundry list of “are you in or out? conservative qualifiers. Life is far too complicated for that.

          • Finrod Felagund

            Sorry, but they’re not conservatives if they’re pro-gay.

            “The person who agrees with you 80 percent of the time is a friend and an ally — not a 20 percent traitor.” — Ronald Reagan

          • Hiraghm

            “When a well-respected public figure is wrong on an issue, it doesn’t matter what other issues he may have been right about, he’s still wrong on that issue.” – Me.

          • Finrod Felagund

            If you will only work with the people that agree with you on every issue, there aren’t going to be many people out there for you to work with.

          • Hiraghm

            I do not find it rational to be wrong in order to be popular.

            I find it amusing that, because I won’t work with people who are diametrically opposed to me on a fundamental issue of reality, I won’t work with anyone who is wrong about anything.

            We can resolve whether a flat income tax or a flat sales tax is better; we can’t resolve that bigger government raising taxes is acceptable.

          • mike_in_kosovo

            And just because *you* think it’s wrong doesn’t mean it *is* wrong. It only means that it’s wrong *to you*.

          • http://www.facebook.com/Prowl1984 Tom Lund

            When they stop demanding the redefinition of marriage & trying to indoctrinate children (as young as 5 years old) THEN, I’ll consider them as allies.

          • NachoCheese (D)

            This type of ideological purity is what is destroying any and all efforts to beat back the statists.

          • Hiraghm

            Hello, I’m extremely conservative. I agreed with the idea that sometimes even a child born of rape can be considered a gift from God.

          • http://www.facebook.com/luke.givens.963 Luke Givens

            Maxx the thread is about CPAC excluding GoProud, yeah playing a clip of Rubio drinking water is loony and stupid, but it’s not as bad or loony as oh I don’t know comparing homosexuality to pedophilia, which you can find Right. In. This. Stupid. Comment. Section.

            Congrats on having reasonable positions with respect to homosexuals but allowing a little bit more time for this story to seep out into right wing nutjob-land would reveal that your live and let live attitude is a minority one.

          • Scott Carroll

            Excellent post Max. Bravo.

        • Hiraghm

          Soldiers will beat warriors every time.

      • GTFOBigGovt

        Why it sounds like you’ve just described Obama’s “evolution”. But it’s only permitted for Liberals, right?

    • Lady 12

      Do you think this is because of their personal practices or because of a concern that GOProud might start making demands of everyone else at CPAC?

      • geronl

        They are a pressure group, of course they have demands

    • Scott Carroll

      Let them in. We’re in a desperate struggle for the soul of this country. We need all batallions on the front lines, including the gay ones.

      • Guest

        Don’t need them & don’t want them.

        • Adela Wagner

          Who died and made you the Pope of this dump?

        • Erik

          Can only say that as a guest, eh? LOL

      • geronl

        Let them and you lose a lot more support than you gain

        • Scott Carroll

          Yes I realize that without the evangelical vote Republicans would be a minority party in perpetuity and I’m not suggesting that the next Republican nominee campaign in assless chaps. I’m simply suggesting we don’t go out of our way to alienate them like Cpac has done here.

          • geronl

            Not inviting them to sleep in your little boys bed is not alienating them too much is it?

          • Andy Hebert

            You are beyond rediculous. I’m starting to feel sorry for you and the mental disorder you seem to be displaying.

          • Adela Wagner

            Based on that idiocy, by supporting straight men, I am inviting them to sleep in my little girls bed? You really need to realize what is going on with the country. We have enough RINO’s, and “ringers” on the Hill. I am for Freedom, not exclusion, that is a liberal trait… and it seems a “Looney” one also. Now I shall not be responding to your posts as I get a feeling you get a Chris Matthews “tingly feeling” when you sense a rise out of someone and I find that, and him, extremely perverse. (and one more thing, studies DO show that those that protest gay issues to the extreme, usually have a personal vendetta that often include latent homosexual feelings they are trying to stifle, or an intense fear of being “turned gay” due to feeling weak…just sayin’)

          • Annieg

            There are an “ungodly” number of so called “moral” conservative
            Christians who cheat, rape, steal, murder and molest children…maybe CPAC should employ a practice of vetting all it’s constituents before allowing participation in their events…I count myself as a conservative but having read some of the comments here it’s easy to see that conservatives are just as prone to bullying as democrat’s and I will carry the label of a “phony” conservative…Whether I agree or not with their lifestyle, having conservative friends and family members who are homosexual, supporting their right to life, liberty and pursuit of happiness trumps my vote for a conservative who would rather put them back in a closet. Nice way to push those of us who don’t “tow the party line” into another camp though…Given a gay republican vice a straight democrat candidate it is apparent by many comments here that many “real” conservatives would vote democrat or stay home…what a joke.

          • http://www.facebook.com/Prowl1984 Tom Lund

            Please do join the Democratic Party.

          • Annieg

            Typical of the attitude that is eating the Republican party inside out…it’s also why we are now saddled with Obamacare and a host of other private sector job & income eating socialist programs, gee Thanks. As for your suggestion, I appreciate it but I was never much one for being bullied…May God bless and keep you even as you try to take his job away.

          • Annieg

            Typical of the attitude that is eating the Republican party inside out…it’s also why we are now saddled with Obamacare and a host of other private sector job & income eating socialist programs, gee Thanks. As for your suggestion, I appreciate it but I was never much one for being bullied…May God bless and keep you even as you try to take his job away.

          • GTFOBigGovt

            You left out the “ungodly” number of so called “moral” conservative men cruising other men on the downlow.

          • Annieg

            Right…a little exclusive there wasn’t I?

          • Annieg

            Right…a little exclusive there wasn’t I?

    • geronl

      Keep you sexual preference to yourself and not announce it to the world, then nobody would have a problem would they?

      • Maxx

        Well, not sure what you’re implying (considering I’m a raging hetrosexual) but let me ask you this….when you’re wearing a wedding ring, is that “keeping your sexual preference to yourself?” When you walk down the street holding your mate’s hand, is that “keeping it to yourself?” The days of expecting gays and lesbians to act like second class citizens are coming to a close, albeit all too slowly. Your implication suggest certain people should keep their preference to themselves, or else the world will have a problem with them when in fact, most of the world could care less about a person’s sexual preference. I ought to know…at last count, due to a career in the military, I’ve been fortunate to visit about 60-odd countries. It is sad that you feel in order for someone to shield themselves from a “problem,” they must become silent citizens, living in the shadows. I’m not convinced that is the way to win future Presidential elections, bearing in mind past conservatives who did win the White House who weren’t anti-gay/lesbian.

        I’d like to borrow a paragraph from a June 2012 piece, from Mike Flynn at Breitbart.
        http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/06/22/gay-activists-know-nothing-about-reagan-history

        “In 1978, conservative California state Senator John Briggs pushed an initiative onto the state ballot to prohibit the hiring of homosexuals as teachers. Keep in mind, this was the height of Anita Bryant’s crusade against homosexuals and much of the conservative grass-roots were decidedly opposed to the concept of “gay rights.” Reagan had been out of the governor’s office for several years and was preparing to run again for President. Support for the initiative was very strong initially, and every political calculus would have argued that Reagan stay out of the fight. But, Reagan wasn’t a normal politician.
        Out of personal conviction that individuals should only be judged on their merits, Reagan campaigned against the initiative. He even went to so far as to pen on op-ed against it in the closing days of the campaign. The initiative was soundly defeated.”

        Modern conservatives aren’t losing sleep over the fact that someone 100-miles down the road or 100-meters across the street might prefer a Joe over a Joan or a Joan over a Joe. We just want them to prefer a conservative over a liberal.

        • AMERICAN Kafir™(KAdams)

          It’s not that at all, Max… what people do behind closed doors isn’t really anyone else’s business. The gay agenda, apparently excluding conservative gays, is to get you to look, then accept, and then endorse. If I don’t want to look, I’ll turn my face away. I don’t have to accept it, nor will I ever endorse it.

          • Maxx

            My personal philosophy is “labels are for soup cans.” As a military man, if I was backed up against the side of a building and the fella giving me cover had a clear shot. I wouldn’t give a fat rat’s ass if that bullet was fired from a hetrosexual or homosexual…just as long as the shot is straight…

            …and when that fella returns home after saving my ass, I could care less what he’s doing and who he’s doing it with. None of my damn business.

          • Hiraghm

            How would you feel if it was fired by a schizophrenic… or a drunk?

          • Michael Rice

            Then don’t annouince it to the world. Do you see straight peple having straight pride parades, having sex on floats, etc..

          • GTFOBigGovt

            Yes. Do you even have a TV? Life for gay people is one big straight pride parade.

          • Ronald

            Well stated Maxx.

          • Adela Wagner

            I too think it is disgusting for anyone to act lewd in public. Or to be lewd to try to get a point across (code pink vaginas). Some women dressing up like that is crude, but as you stated, conservatives across the board seem to not use the “lewd factor”..You are correct in that it does make people turn away or turn you off. We need open minds, not closed ones. Mutual respect goes a long way with me.

          • Michael Rice

            RIght, don’t think of anythign as wrong, just open your mind to anything. Are you open to the possibility you might be wrong?

          • Adela Wagner

            I too think it is disgusting for anyone to act lewd in public. Or to be lewd to try to get a point across (code pink vaginas). Some women dressing up like that is crude, but as you stated, conservatives across the board seem to not use the “lewd factor”..You are correct in that it does make people turn away or turn you off. We need open minds, not closed ones. Mutual respect goes a long way with me.

          • GTFOBigGovt

            No problem. Society will eclipse you by attrition. Meanwhile, thanks for letting the country go to hell in a handbasket so you don’t have to “look” at the icky gays.

        • Hiraghm

          I will never treat homosexuals like 2nd class citizens… I will treat them like what they are.. people suffering from a mental/emotional disorder.

          When an alcoholic seeks treatment and joins AA, he will have my sympathy and support. When he refuses treatment and denies that there’s anything wrong with him, I will shun him and call him a drunk.

          Same with homosexuals.

          Thanks for pointing out yet another example of one of the times Reagan was wrong. Not surprising, since he was originally a Democrat.

          I don’t lose sleep over what anyone wants to screw, so long as it’s not me. What I lose sleep over is fifth columnists posing as “conservative” when their real agenda surrounds their illness.

          • Andy Hebert

            With your attitudes, I’m surprised anyone at all would want to screw you.

          • Michael Rice

            Lovely, mature response….

          • GTFOBigGovt

            We won’t worry about that since you obviously have never even knowingly met a single homosexual in your entire life. And of course if you found out the truth about how many “straight” men cruise and have sex with gay men you might just feel your life is with no purpose. Let us know where the “cure” for the emotional disorder is – alot of wives are waiting.

            BTW are you advocating the suspension of “rights” for alcoholics? How would that work, exactly? So I guess you have no problem with the same “rights” for LGBT people. Being consistent is HARD, isn’t it?

            Be honest it’s about the ick factor, nothing to do with “marriage” FFS.

        • geronl

          No, we should not be forcing kids in school to think it is normal to be a pervert. We should not propagandize them on TV. We should not allow them to be groomed for the gay pedophiles, which is the #1 way to make them gay. This is all disgusting and should be capital crimes

          • Annieg

            You don’t own a gun do you?

      • GTFOBigGovt

        Get back to us when YOU do the same. This means:

        STOP speaking about, living with, having children with, filing taxes with, or being seen too much with YOUR spouse. No wills leaving your crap to your wife and kids, no “emergency contact number” for her, no going to your kids’ school meetings, no allowing her to visit you/make decisions for you in the hospital in case of emergency, in other words. Get divorced and abandon your family.

        See what I did there? What ya got for me now? Religion?

    • http://www.unifiedpatriots.com/ JadedByPolitics

      is it stubborn to not give a damn the sexual orientation of the voter in front of you? sick to death of identity politics, and GOProud pushes their leftist militant gay agenda right along w/Log Cabin Republicans.

      • Finrod Felagund

        Jaded, please define the ‘gay agenda’ and which parts of it GOProud is pushing. The only thing I can find on goproud.org that’s even close is their support of gay marriage.

        • http://www.unifiedpatriots.com/ JadedByPolitics

          You don’t remember their outing Rick Perry’s guy? you don’t remember their attack on Christian Conservatives?, YOU DON’T REMEMBER them telling the #TEAParty to not go after social issues but stick with fiscal issues after the 2010 elections and then going FULL BORE TO END don’t ask, don’t tell? if that isn’t an leftist gay mafia agenda then you are blind! Chris Barron is a POS!

        • Dylan Skriloff

          If their only gay issue is gay marriage that’s one thing. If they agree with the broader lexicon of gender redefinitions and perverse teachings the LGBT movement often demands, then I really don’t blame CPAC for keeping them out. The LGBT movement is totally unhinged.

    • Hiraghm

      I’m still of the opinion that “gay conservative” is an oxymoron.

    • Michael Rice

      Nope, I’d rather they be a straight conservative.

    • GTFOBigGovt

      Yes. While lots of those “straight” men in the line leave to cruise other men on the downlow, I might add.

      While anti-LGBT republicans (who never even MET a gay person)… dig in their heels with their faux outrage over “marriage” (a.k.a the ick factor), they will become obsolete through attrition.

      Eclipsed with REALITY that a majority segment of people are NOT going to tolerate citizens being prevented from living their lives with inalienable rights endowed by their Creator.

      It’s not 19 freaking 70 anymore. Just like an ultrasound shows that the baby in the womb is NOT just a mass of parasitic cells, the ultrasound of LIFE shows that LGBT people are not choosing depravity in wanting a companion to live with. Simple as that.

      Meanwhile, I’m pretty sure going Libertarian is the only solution to turning back central planning government and with it comes a maybe insurmountable group of problems not the least being sacrificing the (one) very thing government is SUPPOSED to do – protect us militarily.

  • goldwater89

    Yes, let’s continue to alienate voters.

  • $2346491

    Just let them have a booth. It makes us look intolerant. But for R candidates.. paging Sister Soljah. N

    • geronl

      I’m not tolerant of a lot of things, thieves, child molesters…

      • $2346491

        I don’t think that a gay conservative group can be compared to criminals

  • ernst1776

    As a conservative gay man, pro traditional marriage and a red/whiite and blue American I’m baffled by how some conservative groups behave. I’m just gonna ignore CPAC this year. Besides, no Brietbart, no Palin… Paul ryan as keynote speaker….ZZZZZZZ!

    • http://www.facebook.com/Prowl1984 Tom Lund

      Sorry, but you’re no conservative.

      • AMERICAN Kafir™(KAdams)

        Really? You were able to garner that information, just from that one post? Amazing!

      • Finrod Felagund

        Sorry, but you’re no conservative.

        “The person who agrees with you 80 percent of the time is a friend and an ally — not a 20 percent traitor.” — Ronald Reagan

    • http://www.vatican.va/ Rulz

      Don’t blame you for that!

      Conservatives have another thing coming if they think that Paul Ryan or Jeb Bush are going to be winners for 2016!

      Glad to have you abroad! We need more patriots like yourself in these bad times!

      • AMERICAN Kafir™(KAdams)

        Dr. Ben Carson 2016!

      • Hiraghm

        sigh.

        The ineligible Marco Rubio will be the 2016 Republican candidate, and he will lose to the Democrat candidate, whoever that may end up being… doubtful now that it will be Hillary.

        Anyone who understands the Republican establishment already knows this.

  • ernst1776

    P.S.>>> not to brag but I have a lot more money, a lot more time and a lot more willingness to be active in a campaign then most norrow-minded conservatives that I know.

  • http://twitter.com/BetsyRoss1 Betsy Ross

    Why the identity politics? Let’s just be conservatives! Why does the label of sexual preference or ethnicity need to be added?

    • Bristel

      Because there are issues that conservative gay men and women might have that overlap or go slightly outside the usual bounds of conservative topics. So there is a group for them, as there is a group for conservative women, I’m sure.

      • disqus_asRExhpO2v

        Or it could be that they can’t help but talk about their sex life.

        • Adela Wagner

          Or be judged by it? I WANT EVERY Conservative fighting the evil that permeates our Government. Conservatives come from ALL walks of life, and I also believe in Small Government, you know, the kind that stays OUT of peoples personal lives?

          • disqus_asRExhpO2v

            I think you’re missing something here. GOProud publicly defines itself by its members’ personal lives. Try again?

          • Bristel

            We publicly define ourselves as being proud of being in the GOP. That’s in the name right there. Or is “pride” a gay word now?

          • Adela Wagner

            I think YOU’RE missing something, or is FREEDOM an ANTI-gay word? I think it is wonderful that we have so many LGBT conservatives and that they have indeed formed a group to bring that fact to light. Close minded Progressives are under the impression that they host all LGBT persons by default. So I WANT GoProud to be out there, way out there, just like women,black/brown/red/yellow people etc. Conservatives are NOT just older white men in suits, period. (not that there is anything wrong with older white men in suits)

          • Michael Rice

            And homosexuality is an evil.

      • Hiraghm

        So you buy into the 3-or-4-or-5 sexes nonsense, by equating a mental/emotional disorder with an actual, physical sex?

        • Bristel

          What does this have to do with gay men and women? Being transgendered is entirely different. Although now that I know how you feel about them, I’m sure my “homo mental disorder” is just another sickness to you. What about those who have Klinefelter syndrome? Are they true hermaphrodites to you, or just someone with a sickness?

    • des111168

      Because part of being conservative is recognizing that something that is inherently immoral cannot be made moral, no matter how much spin, PR, or punditry tries to do so?

      • geronl

        Very true

    • geronl

      Because homosexuality is a mental disorder that needs to be spread and this requires propaganda, grooming, desensitization and -yes- child molestation (half of gay males admit to being raped as children- this is how they recruit). does any of that sound conservative??

      • Adela Wagner

        BS. You have just spouted crap that is derogatory to EVERY rape survivor. Besides I know many Lesbians and gee, not one of them has ever told me of being raped by a woman at a young age. However, I know know quite a few that have been raped by men, and guess what, it did not turn them straight. There are plenty of homosexual males and plenty of straight males, and the majority of homosexual males that were raped as children were raped by so called “straight” men who, because of their view of society pressures, are latent homosexuals, married and living a so called “straight lifestyle”. ie:Sandusky, Homosexual Priests,and the many married w/children men who go after little boys. Do “out” homosexual men rape little boys? yes. Do straight men rape little girls? yes. But is not done for “recruitment” there is no homosexual army they are trying to implement with recruits. Attitudes like yours prevent conversations that help clear up misconceptions. And when that happens we ALL lose. I am a proud conservative, I am married to a man, I lived with a woman for 7 years, I am a survivor of rape. Conservatism does not require a litmus test on whether you are gay or not. The conservative gay men I know are hard working, decent guys who want the same things from our Gov. I do, which is VERY LITTLE.

        • geronl

          Chastity Bono

          • Adela Wagner

            I do not know her story, but I am sure she has had a huge cross to bear with that liberal freak of a mother Cher. There are exceptions to everything, but your OP reeked of unfounded bigotry. I have worked in a women’s crisis center basically because of what happened to me, and base my opinions on rape studies, personal exposure, and numerous counseling sessions (group and singular)

        • Andy Hebert

          Thank you for this post.

          • Adela Wagner

            XXOO

        • Michael Rice

          Talk about propoganda….news flash…straight men don’t rape other men or boys anymore than gay men rape girls.,. You yourself said “living a SO CALLED straight lifestyle’ Exactly, they were gay….

    • AMERICAN Kafir™(KAdams)

      It doesn’t need to be added. And for all those (like Des below) that say being gay is immoral should remember that it’s not their place to judge. I also do not support same-sex marriage, but it’s not my place to tell them they can’t. Most gays already know what’s written in the BIble about that particular behavior, and most Christian, if not conservative, heterosexual couples should also know that certain other intimate acts are also considered the same. There is no degree of sin, we all do it.

      • Hiraghm

        There’s no degree of sin? So murdering 20 children in a grammar school is no greater a sin than, say, taking the Lord’s name in vain?

        • Finrod Felagund

          In terms of falling short of the glory of God, no, there isn’t.

          • Hiraghm

            Uhm… yeah… I think we’re done with this conversation. Seek help.

          • Finrod Felagund

            “For all have sinned, and fallen short of the glory of God.” If you have a problem with Scripture, that’s your problem and not mine.

          • Michael Rice

            There is willfull sin, taking a gun to a school and shooting kids and that which people can’t control, the all have sinned part. If I see my sin getting out fo control I am to repent and seek help….not let it fester to where I murder children….yes, there is a difference.

          • Michael Rice

            Yes, it is.

      • Andy Hebert

        I am gay and DO NOT believe in gay marriage. I believe it is of one man and one woman. Period.

        • Dylan Skriloff

          Thanks for voicing your opinion —

        • Bristel

          And I’m gay and I do believe in gay marriage. So they’re right because they believe it to be immoral? I thought keeping families together was the idea? But I guess some people want to hold onto their failing shambles of the sanctity of marriage as long as possible. Just look at the divorce rates in the country. (I guess that means we need to ban divorce on moral grounds as well!)

          • Michael Rice

            Becaue the institution of marriage has fallen prey to the liberalization of American, with tv shows glamorizing extra marital affairs and teen sex leading to early “convenience” marriages, does nto mean we should say homsoexual marriage is ok.
            The sactity of marriage is gone ebcause of people like you.

        • http://www.facebook.com/Prowl1984 Tom Lund

          I find that hard to believe that.

      • Michael Rice

        You are an idiot. Do you have any morals or do you say “it’s not my place to judge” every time?
        If Christ says it is wrong and it is written in the Bible as wrong, you are not doing the judging, you are repeating what Christ has said.
        Yes, there is degree of sin. Someone who molests a child is a heck of a lot different than someone who has one momentairly, second long immoral thought about someone other than their spouse and then convicts that thought.

    • justlittlolme

      Wondering the same here.
      Why does it have to be ‘gay’ or ‘black’ or ‘white’ conservative? It would seem that if we WANT to be inclusive, we should all consider being conservatives who happen to be gay or whatever instead of playing the same *identity politics* as the progs do.
      Subdividing yourself, particularlry by something [like homosexuality] that runs counter to the movement that you’re supposedly trying to be a part of seems more like an in-your-face manuver to cause disruption and friction than a true desire to be a part of it.

      • SpinMeNot

        This, in my opinion is the rational, correct argument. *hat-tip*

        GOProud supports gay marriage, and defense of traditional marriage is a core component of the GOP platform. I’m all for being inclusive, but only when that inclusion doesn’t involve a conflict to the core of the platform.

        The members of GOProud should be welcomed at CPAC (embrace the sinner, eschew the sin) but I believe that CPAC was correct in denying GOProud a sponsorship role.

        • Michael Rice

          You don’t embrace the sinner if they continue to willfully sin.

    • Lady 12

      That was my thought as well. Identity politicking is Obama and the left’s thing. It shouldn’t be ours.

    • Penmar

      It’s how the progressives divide us, when my grandparents immigrated, they were not Italian-Americans, they were Americans. But thanks to the PC Police and Progressives, we are no longer Americans, now we put our ethnicity before our Country. Such as African-American, Asian-American, Hispanic-American or whatever else they can use to divide and conquer. We were called the melting pot for a reason, because the differences were supposed to melt away and we were to become united as Americans.

    • Finrod Felagund

      Because everyone presumes that gays are liberals, when many are not. GOProud is more about gay people proclaiming that they are conservatives, not conservatives proclaiming they are gay.

      • http://www.facebook.com/Prowl1984 Tom Lund

        Ummm…Because the fact is that they are liberal.

        • Bristel

          This “no true conservative” argument is getting really tired. You’re not a conservative if you use veiled bigotry to keep people out of your “club”. There, how’s that for a wild claim?

          • Michael Rice

            RIght and next week it will be ok to invite anti capital punishment and pro abortion guests.

      • geronl

        If you support the “gay agenda” you are not conservative

        • Andy Hebert

          Please define “gay agenda”. Being that I’m gay, I think I missed that agenda boat…please enlighten me.

    • hwy505

      True Betsy, but unfortunately it is part of the political spectrum and will never change. With that being said, we must address it and accept it or become extinct as a party.

      • Hiraghm

        And next election we have to embrace NAMBLA… and the election after that, we have to embrace French, Germans, Russians, Colombians, etc voting in our elections, and election after that we have to embrace legalizing LSD, and some election in there we have to learn to embrace socialism, collectivism, Marxism. We just have to keep embracing the sick ideology of the left until everybody loves us. Being right is not important. Getting ‘R’s in the White House is, even if the ‘R’s become ideologically identical to the ‘D’s.

        Where is the GODiabetics organization taking part in CPAC? Where is the GOSchizophrenics organization to take part in CPAC? I mean, if illness is now part of the political spectrum…

        • NachoCheese (D)

          Reduction to absurdity.

          Move along folks, nothing to see here…

        • Erik

          Seriously? Do you take even yourself seriously?

        • Michael Rice

          Exactly, look how the right wing has moved so close to teh center, already.
          Now we are pushing for the acceptance of gays. Why would it stop there?
          Look at the morality of the right over the past fifty years…it’s going downhill fast

  • sqeptiq

    Um, conservative Tweeters have maybe what, 1% of the influence of social conservative pressure groups such as Family Research Council? Must tweet harder!

  • Matthew T. Mason

    Okay. Here’s my take: I do not have a dog in the CPAC/GOProud fight. Different story though if it were a Christian PAC.

    • mike_in_kosovo

      So instead of being bigoted about sexual orientation, you’re bigoted about religion?

      • Matthew T. Mason

        Shove it, Mike. As a Christian, I refuse to compromise my principles, especially in the name of politics.

        • mike_in_kosovo

          As a Christian, I refuse to compromise my principles, especially in the name of politics.

          Yet that’s *exactly* what you did in your post above – you betray your political principles for your religious ones and vice versa depending on the venue.

          Oh, and ‘shove it’ is *quite* the example of Christian tolerance, Matthew…kudos.

          • Matthew T. Mason

            No, I didn’t. The C in CPAC stands for Conservative, not Christian, idiot. And I am not a Republican either.

            And saying “shove it” isn’t an indication of tolerance, Christian or otherwise. It is merely an indication of restraint. My “tolerance” of people like you are as thin as a potato chip.

          • mike_in_kosovo

            My “tolerance” of people like you are as thin as a potato chip.

            So, you have no tolerance for people who point out your hypocrisy? Awww…my heart *bleeds* for you.

          • Matthew T. Mason

            Moron, you know nothing about my principles. If you think I should be tolerating homosexuality, whether it comes from progressives or conservatives, it’s not going to happen. If you think you are going to try to define Christianity for me, it’s already been done. You don’t like what I am saying? Too bad. Call a waaaahmbulance.

          • mike_in_kosovo

            Moron, you know nothing about my (lack of) principles

            Fixed that for you. You’d think a robotics professor would have a clue where logic is concerned. Guess you skipped that course?

            If you think I should be tolerating homosexuality, whether it comes from progressives or conservatives, it’s not going to happen

            And yet, you don’t “have a dog in the fight” between CPAC and GOProud.

            If you think you are going to define Christianity for me, it’s already been done.

            I can see that… it’s SO important to you that you let it fall by the wayside (re: your CPAC/GOProud fight comment). Going to go for the Judas three-peat, Chief?

            You don’t like what I’m saying? Too bad. Call a waaaahmbulance.

            Can’t…they’re all enroute to YOUR location, Code 3.

          • Matthew T. Mason

            I said I do not have a dog in that fight. Was I supposed to? And just who the hell are you to think you can check me for that? How about nobody? How about I just don’t give a flaming horse’s patoot who CPAC chooses to invite or not? Is that good enough for you?

            Allow myself to be clear: I do not have a lack of principles. I do have a lack of patience. I most certainly do for sodomite trolls.

            Bugger off and go to hell.

          • mike_in_kosovo

            I said I do not have a dog in that fight. Was I supposed to?

            You’d think that such a *sterling* example of Christianity as yourself would throw his lot in with CPAC and support their crusade against the gays.

            And just who the hell are you to think you can check me for that? How about nobody?

            But enough about you.

            How about I just don’t give a flaming horse’s patoot who CPAC chooses to invite or not? Is that good enough for you?

            That’s two… one more for the Judas three-peat!

            Allow myself to be clear: I do not have a lack of principles.

            Statement unsupported by fact, two examples shown.

            I do have a lack of patience.

            And, evidently, a lack of critical thinking skills.

            I most certainly do for sodomite trolls.

            So, if I don’t agree with you, I’m a sodomite? I guess when you don’t have any *valid* argument to stand on, you’re reduced to things like that.

            Bugger off and go to hell.

            I see what you did there. Maybe you should speak to a mental health professional about this projection problem you seem to have.

          • Matthew T. Mason

            “You’d think that such a *sterling* example of Christianity as yourself
            would throw his lot in with CPAC and support their crusade against the
            gays”

            I’m sorry, I think I missed the verse in my Bible that says, “Mike from Kosovo shalt define Christians and Christianity.”

            I am glad you think you are having fun. @#$%^&* troll.

          • mike_in_kosovo

            Must’ve missed where I defined anything, except in your imagination.

            I’m having *great* fun pointing out your hypocrisy, thanks for asking.

          • Guest

            You know, you should be thankful we aren’t standing in close proximity. That “Judas” comment would have earned you a punch in the mouth.

            That being said, I do not give a Tennessee cornpone who CPAC invites or doesn’t invite. It’s their conference. If people reacted this way to a Christian political action committee’s conference, I absolutely would be saying something.

            That’s where I stand. I do not care if you don’t like it. But for you to say I lack principles? Try again.

          • mike_in_kosovo

            You know, you should be thankful we aren’t standing in close proximity. That “Judas” comment would have earned you a punch in the mouth.

            Ohhhh….internet tough talk!!

            That being said, I do not give a Tennessee cornpone who CPAC invites or doesn’t invite. It’s their conference. If people reacted this way to a Christian political action committee’s conference, I absolutely would be saying something.

            And that’s three…thanks for proving my original point. Your principles only seem to matter to you SOMEtimes.

            That’s where I stand. I do not care if you don’t like it. But for you to say I lack principles? Try again.

            Don’t need to ‘try again’, you’ve proven it three times now.

          • Matthew T. Mason

            No tough talk. You talk the way you do because you hide behind a keyboard and a pseudonym. Would you say that in real life, where you could risk finding yourself on the ground with broken teeth and a bloody lip? I’d bet not.

          • mike_in_kosovo

            You’d lose your money – I *have* said it in real life before, Chief.

            Don’t like being called a hypocrite, don’t be one.

          • Matthew T. Mason

            And left standing? Now why don’t I believe you?

            And calling me a hypocrite because I don’t fit your definition of Christian? You don’t get to define Christianity, pal. Not for anybody.

            Since it is obviously you who is siding with the sodomites (hence the trolling) then why don’t you go play with them?

          • mike_in_kosovo

            And left standing?

            Yes, unlike your argument.

            And calling me a hypocrite because I don’t fit your definition of Christian? You don’t get to define Christianity, pal. Not for anybody.

            *STILL* with that strawman argument? I never claimed you fit or didn’t fit my definition of Christian – you drew that cloak around yourself in a vain attempt to cover your ass.

          • Matthew T. Mason

            Then what are you doing calling me unprincipled, hypocritical and a Judas? What are you doing, trolling me because I am not siding with sodomites? Don’t play games with me. I am free to think whatever the hell I want to think, and if you don’t like that, tough. Go have your little party with “G-y Patriot” and leave me the hell alone.

          • mike_in_kosovo

            Trolling you because you’re not siding with sodomites? AGAIN with the strawman argument? Seriously? Where has ANYONE (outside of your imagination) said that you have to agree with them?

            You rail against the sins of the homosexuals…until they’re voting the same way you do – then you ‘don’t have a dog in the fight’. THAT’S the hypocrisy behind your posting, and what I called you out on.

            Edit: Wow..and *again* with the ‘you must be gay’ stuff? What are you, 12?

          • Guest

            Wrong answer: I do not care what or how they vote. I wouldn’t court the homosexual vote. Conservatives don’t need their vote. Christians don’t either. We need the black vote, the woman vote, the hispanic vote, the youth vote. We need to get rid of the current GOP leadership, who will and has capitulated to Obama and the Democrats, and threw every single conservative running for President in 2012 under the bus in favor of a moderate, which directly resulted in people voting independent or not at all. We have 30 states that define marriage as being between a man and a woman, which means the people are NOT as on board for g-y rights as one would like others to believe. And yet, here we have people whining about the exclusion of a g-y group from CPAC. I am not one of those people. I refuse to compromise my principles and haven’t done so. But because there are people I happen to consider friends that already have compromised for the very reason you cited, I have been using wisdom in trying to keep clear of it. Are you happy now?

          • mike_in_kosovo

            So, we need everyone’s votes but the gays? How about the atheist vote? Do we need them, or do they get thrown under the bus, too?

          • Matthew T. Mason

            Okay. Thanks for letting me know you are being a jerk for the sake of being a jerk. Get stuffed.

          • mike_in_kosovo

            How is asking if atheists (who would also be sinners in your eyes) would be included in your little playground is being a jerk? Or maybe that jerk is just your knee…

          • Matthew T. Mason

            Stop. You are being argumentative for the sake of being argumentative. I used the word “jerk” because they won’t let me use the word I really wanted to. You are not interested in any kind of discussion or debate. You are merely trolling me. Stop bothering me and roll marbles down a freeway or something.

          • mike_in_kosovo

            So, no answer on the atheist issue? Not willing to alienate the rest of your “friends” on that one (oh, guess we’re back to not having having the courage of your convictions again, huh)?

            Do you always suggest that people who don’t fall into lockstep with you kill themselves? Do you do it in person, or is that part of your internet tough-guy act?

          • v1cious

            “You know, you should be thankful we aren’t standing in close proximity. That “Judas” comment would have earned you a punch in the mouth.” Watch out! Internet tough guy.

  • Bristel

    I am very proud to talk to these people regularly on twitter, they are my favorite tweeters.

  • $23629333

    Here’s the $64,000.00 question: Can red, blue and purple conservatives work together?

    Might a banner be created under which would march those Americans who want much less government and much lower taxes, and who agree that much of what is now done federally should be done at the state or local level?

    • AMERICAN Kafir™(KAdams)

      Yes, and it should be named the ‘Conservative Constitutionalist Party’. Or the CCP…. one less ‘C’ than the CCCP! *giggle*

      In all seriousness, though, Conservatives are getting the shaft (no pun intended) staying with RINOs.

  • Steven Woodward

    This shit is why the left can successfully (and truthfully) paint us as bigots on this issue. Get over it people!

    Why are we, as a group, so strident in our correct view that government should stay the hell out of our lives, but then pass judgement and exclude those that choose a different path? Whorship God as I do? Fantastic! Don’t? Not my business. Gay? Not my business.

    Get the evangelical beliefs out of our POLITICAL platform. If you are an evangelical, wonderful; I’ll see you at church. Lets stick to politics otherwise.

    We’ll continue to be marginalized if we keep following politically suicidal beliefs.

    • DreadPirateStarbucks

      If We are for God, who can be against us? Maybe you agree, maybe you don’t, but that’s who we answer to. Not liberals,not Republicans desperate for us to sell out our beliefs. To sell our kids down the river to gain the world. Not just at church, but every day in our lives and even at the ballot box. And that’s my opinion about it.

      • Finrod Felagund

        I’m a Christian and I don’t have any problems with GOProud.

        • DreadPirateStarbucks

          I think it’d be hypocritical for to team up with them and then have to fight them later on the marriage issue, because it would have to happen. And maybe you don’t care about marriage, but I do and so do a lot of other people. It’s clearly a priority for GOProud. Steven Woodward appears to want us to shut up about it, but we can’t do that nor should we nor will we. That’s what I’m specifically addressing, not the existence of Goproud or even homosexual behavior or any other sinful behavior.

  • Avey Owyns

    I suppose gay conservatives can join us, but we’ll make no concessions. No gay marriage.

    • Scott Jacobs

      Oh good, because that’s a winner of an issue. Not Jobs/Economy, not Foreign Policy, not Immigration, but Gay Marriage is the hill upon which we should die.

      Did Rove send you or something?

      • des111168

        What makes you think jobs or the economy is a winner after 2012? Romney focused almost exclusively on those issues, and voters put Obama back in overwhelmingly. The problem isn’t us. The problem is a decaying society that LIKES the decay.

        • Finrod Felagund

          Because if you ask people whether they’d rather have a job, or be able to (keep gay marriage illegal/make it legal), I bet most of them would rather have the job.

    • https://twitter.com/tweetyuo Tangchung

      I agree, no gay marriage.

  • Frank Drebin

    “If an enemy has alliances, the problem
    is grave and the enemy’s position strong; if he has no alliances, the problem is
    minor and the enemy’s position weak.” – Sun Tzu, The Art of War

    United we stand, divided we fall

    • Hiraghm

      “Sun Tsu was a despotic piece of crap” – Me

      We’re talking politics. Quote Machiavelli if you have to quote someone with regard to politics.

      “Where neither their honor nor their property is touched, most men lived contented”- Niccolo Machiavelli, The Prince (chapter 19, I think)

  • Silenttype78

    Guess we’re sticking with ” stupid ” after all. :-/

  • Lord Foggybottom

    Conservatives talk about “content of character, not color of skin,” and then this kind of bullshit happens, making them total hypocrites. How about we grow the eff up and stop excluding people because they don’t love the people you want them to love?

    Progressives are our enemies, not gays.

    • des111168

      What an excellent illustration of why conservatism is doomed: because “conservatives” have bought the progressive argument lock, stock, and barrell. Congrats on being a “me-too, just less” liberal.

    • Guest

      Progressives & gays ARE the enemy.

    • geronl

      Because perversion is behavior not skin, behavior IS character

  • thanos0145

    There is nothing conservative about redefining the institution of marriage which GOPROUD wants to do.

    • http://www.facebook.com/Prowl1984 Tom Lund

      Well said.

    • John_Frank

      Oh, so because some disagree with GOProud on one issue, that is reason to exclude that organization from CPAC?

      Not the way to build the necessary coalition of conservative activists needed to defeat the Statists.

      • geronl

        One issue? You mean 1% of the population being called “normal”? Broadcast their sex crap on TV, in schools, in the kids faces, “try it kids”, diddling little boys for recruitment…. yes, your right, this is no big issue.

      • Hiraghm

        uhhh one issue? It’s a rather MAJOR issue. Like saying because some disagree with Democrats on gun control, that’s a reason to exclude the Democrats from CPAC?

  • DreadPirateStarbucks

    You know if you go onto the GOPROUD website, the first thing it says is to join them, the 2nd thing is their support for redefining marriage. Not that progressives are screwing up our country with ridiculous out of control spending, ridiculous regulations, ridiculous gun control efforts. So what does that tell you? I know what it tells me.

    • Finrod Felagund

      Did you ever read their top ten issues? Nine of them have nothing to do with gays or gay marriage. I’m guessing you didn’t read very far on their website.

      • DreadPirateStarbucks

        Their front page, the page that’s supposed to grab me and get my attention says their top issue is redefining marriage. All other issues take a back seat. It’s how I know they aren’t legit. Just saying.

        • Finrod Felagund

          So you found what you wanted to see and didn’t see anything else. Can’t say that I’m surprised.

          • DreadPirateStarbucks

            I wanted to see if they were on the up and up. If they really are “just like me”. And they are not. If I were going to make my own dreadpiratestarbucks.com it would be about stupid RINOs capitulating to extreme spending democrats. And yeah I’d probably mention traditional marriage in there, somewhere, but not at first blush. It says a lot to me. Not just “looking for what I want to see.”

          • Finrod Felagund

            So which of these ten points of theirs do you disagree with?

            1. Tax Reform
            2. Healthcare Reform
            3. Social Security Reform
            4. Respecting the proper role of the judiciary
            5. Holding the line on spending
            6. Fighting global extremists
            7. Defending our constitution
            8. Empowering individuals to defend themselves
            9. Respecting states’ rights
            10. Education reform

            Hint: only 7 and 9 even mention gay marriage.

          • DreadPirateStarbucks

            They aren’t “loud and proud” on the front page about their conservatism. That speaks volumes, no you have to dig to find out. But for the sake of argument, I’ll suppose that’s just an oversight or otherwise something that is “no big deal” in the scheme of things. Fine. Then how do you explain their sudden urge to support the prolife cause at the March for Life. Chris Barron worked for Planned Parenthood as Republican outreach, now all of a sudden, they are prolife? I’m not saying that there aren’t legitimate gay/lesbian anti-abortion organizations out there. I know that they exist in all stripes, religious and secular and everything in between. But GOProud isn’t one, yet we are supposed to believe suddenly they are there to end abortions and NOT push their agenda? Please understand where I am coming from. This group is not legitimate.

          • DreadPirateStarbucks

            I don’t just jump to conclusions about people, gay or straight, without looking it up. You should try it sometime.

        • Finrod Felagund

          From GOProud’s About:

          GOProud is an organization of gay and straight Americans seeking to promote freedom by supporting free markets, limited government and a respect for individual rights. We work on the state and federal levels to build strong coalitions of conservative and libertarian activists, organizations and policy makers to advance our shared values and beliefs.

          So what part of that do you disagree with?

  • http://www.vatican.va/ Rulz

    We need everyone on board if we are going to stop the “me first” crowd.

    • disqus_asRExhpO2v

      Homosexuality is the very epitome if “me first.”

    • Hiraghm

      :raises hand:
      Excuse you… but I’m very much in favor of the “me first” crowd. “Me first” is objectivist; it’s the leftists who expect and require the individual to sacrifice and subsume themselves to the collective.

      • mike_in_kosovo

        require the individual to sacrifice and subsume themselves to the collective.

        Sorta like what you’re doing with gay conservatives?

  • disqus_asRExhpO2v

    The whole issue here is GOProud is a group that identifies itself, first and foremost, by the fact that it’s members prefer a certain sexual organ stuck in their mouth and anus. It really is that simple.

    If you are a homosexual who can politically support other conservative causes such as low taxes, a strong military, etc, that’s fine, but when you define yourself by your sexual preference, which is exactly what GOProud does(proud of what?), this nonsense will continue.

    What’s more important, that people affirm your sex life or that you get low taxes? All the members of GOProud, if they wished, could join other organizations defined by conservative issues, but they won’t, because they cannot help but talk about their sex life and be identified by it. Chris Barron is an excellent example of that.

    • geronl

      Yes, when your whole identity is about your perverted sexual preference and forcing everyone else to accept it and celebrate it, not tolerate it, that is the problem

  • des111168

    Good for CPAC. Why not a heroin-addicts’ “conservative” PAC if we’re going to allow just any group? Or a group calling itself “conservatives for prostitution”? Conservatism has to MEAN something other than “not liberal”. Conservatism has always meant… here’s that word… conserving our traditions and rules and codes and standards because we recognize from centuries of hard experience and religious and civic wisdom that all those stodgy old rules are there for a reason. If you want to be the edgy social revolutionary, go to the Libertarians.

    • Hiraghm

      :clap clap clap clap:
      :clap:

  • Guest

    .

  • Sara Nichols

    We should not judge our fellow man. CPAC doesn’t know how not to judge their fellow man.

    • geronl

      That is funny, everyone judges, everyone. You just judged CPAC

      • AMERICAN Kafir™(KAdams)

        As you’ve judged everyone else on this thread.

  • Bristel

    This is my opinion on this battle, and somewhat rambling: We would like a voice. CPAC provides a platform and voice for conservatives in a forum that will be seen by many. We are tired of being played by liberals for only our votes and nothing else, and we don’t believe that liberals want us to succeed, and because we’re conservative, we’re outcasts and “traitors”. We see some hope of that not being the case in a conservative forum. CPAC has consistently denied us the chance of having that voice in a large and serious forum. I would think “go third party”, but that’s consistently drummed out of us by either party as well, and there’s no critical mass for third party membership as of yet.

  • blueniner

    What happened to CPAC, they got invaded by RINOS, Jeb Bush is speaking, no thanks,I suppose Morning Schmo will be lurking about, they will have a tough time topping last years CPAC with Sarah Palin.

    • Finrod Felagund

      Um, Sarah Palin is speaking at CPAC *this* year, too.

  • geronl

    If you support the “gay agenda’ you are no conservative

    • AMERICAN Kafir™(KAdams)

      Being judgmental doesn’t make you God. Just mental.

    • Finrod Felagund

      Ronald Reagan disagrees with you. See my 80 percent ally not 20 percent traitor quote above.

  • DurkaDurka

    There is nothing “Conservative” about class, race, religion, and sex segmentation. GOProud is GOPClueless. You want to form a VAGProud and DICKProud group, go do that with statists.

  • Slapweasel

    Listen… I “judge” people every day. I don’t buy into a “kindergarten argument” about “not judging me”. What I refuse to do is judge someone based on anything more than what hairs stand on-end and when.

    At what point, during any conversation, do you finally make a decision for yourself?

    I base things on what I’ve learned personally and I’ve learned this:

    -Some gay people are cool.
    -Some gay people are dicks.
    -Some gay people eat roast beef.
    -Some gay people do not.
    -Some gay people love parades and throw glitter.
    -Some gay people do not.

    -Some gay people want smaller government and fiscal responsibility.

    -Some gay people understand that State’s Rights mean that you can vote with your feet.

    -Some gay people understand that top-down government is less “leadership” and more “burden”.

    -Some gay people throw the most high-quality “Tea Parties”. I didn’t even know what a petit four was last week. –turns out they’re a delightful piece of cake. Good-ass, fruity cake. – Don’t read into that.

    I’m conservative, idealistically, but I’m Tea Party first. Fiscal policy trumps all. State’s Rights are the Law. I will judge you; at my mortal level, as you deserve to be judged.

    Welcome to Slapweasel’s Meritocracy.

    I’m not going to tell CPAC what to do. I’ll only recommend that If “GOProud” wants to attend CPAC, they stop the practice of “Outing”.

    That’s Just Plain Liberty.

    -The Self-Proclaimed Voice of Truth and Reason,
    –Your Friendly Neighborhood Slapweasel

    If you want to advocate for traditional marriage, I’m on your side. I simply won’t advocate against State’s Rights. That Constitution of These Great United States of America agrees with me.

    …I loves me some Tea Party.

    • Hiraghm

      “Fiscal policy trumps all”.

      Or, translated into my version of English… “money whoring trumps all morality”.
      I got no use for “fiscal conservatives”. They’re just greedy, selfish (censored) who have no moral compass themselves, and therefore have no clue as to the necessity for the cultural mores that led to the prosperity they get all drippy over.

      • Finrod Felagund

        I have no use for any self-respecting ‘conservative’ that disses fiscal conservatism.

        If the issue of our government wrecking our currency by spending WAY more than it could ever pay isn’t important to you, then you’re less of a conservative than any member of GOProud.

        • disqus_asRExhpO2v

          As Mark Steyn said, these fiscal conservatives/social moderate politicians are never really conservative. They in general support tax payer funded birth control, etc

      • Slapweasel

        Your version of English does not translate. Thanks for name-calling and shitting on The Constitution.

        -Liberty above all.

  • http://www.unifiedpatriots.com/ JadedByPolitics

    Go Proud gets no sympathy from me, after 2010 election they told so cons to sit down and shut up and just work on the fiscal issues while they attacked prominent Christian Conservatives as they PUSHED their agenda for ending don’t ask don’t tell, they are as important as the Log Cabin “Republicans” because in the end CONSERVATIVES don’t do leftist group identities!

    • Finrod Felagund

      Jaded, that supposed “sit down and shut up” letter you were referring to was written and signed by 19 Tea Party groups before GOProud signed on. Where’s your bile for them?

  • Hiraghm

    This is all well and good… supposedly there are homosexuals who are conservative and supposedly on our side… yet GOPROUD is very obviously about homosexuality more than conservatism. Exactly WHAT conservative issues have anything at all to do with where you like to stick your generative organ?

    This is like saying we should embrace La Raza for being a “conservative” organization.

    You can tell a conservative homosexual by the fact that you aren’t made aware of his sexual orientation. There is no reason whatsoever for conservatives afflicted with homosexuality to form a political organization based upon their affliction.

    Unless they intend to make their affliction an issue in political campaigns.

    It is a sign of the steady pull to the left of the American electorate that people who would have been condemned and shouted down 70 years ago for trying to defend what was then considered a perversion, are now, by alleged conservatives, depicted as “just plain folk” who share conservative values.

    Sorry, I ain’t buying the kool-aide anymore. GOPROUD wants to insert its agenda into the conservative debate, where it does not belong.

    • bossmanham

      “Exactly WHAT conservative issues have anything at all to do with where you like to stick your generative organ?”

      This is classic, and right on point. What kind of an immature and immoral culture makes this a focal point of political discourse?

  • Shootist

    If the GOP wishes to hold majorities in high office, ever again, they are going to have to stop treating queers like some kind of modern day untermensch.

    • Hiraghm

      If the GOP wishes to hold majorities in high office ever again, they need to appropriate the entire Democrat platform and ideology.

      Oh, sorry, just saying the same thing you’re saying, merely more comprehensively. Saves time.

      • Shootist

        The shoe fits. You like being a permanent minority? I know the GOP leadership doesn’t care one way or another. They get to dip their beaks regardless.

        • bossmanham

          Yes. Give up all our principles and switch them for the dem principles. When gun ownership is viewed as kooky and crazy, we’ll adopt that policy too.

          It’s just crazy enough to be idiotic.

          • Shootist

            Same was said when blacks were freed from slavery, yes?
            Same was said when the voting rights act was passed.
            Same was said when women got the vote.
            Same was said when Indians were allowed to live off the reservation. Same was said in Plessy vs. Ferguson.

            Live and let live is more Christian than having a hissy every time GOProud wants to come to a meeting.

          • bossmanham

            Same was said when the Enabling act made Hitler the dictator of Germany.

            Same was said when the Khmer Rouge reached the edges of Phnom Penh.

            Same was said Nero torched Christians.

            Get off it, numbnuts. Change isn’t necessarily good.

          • Shootist

            Godwin’s Law? Personal attacks? Are you a child, or just childlike?

            Weimar Germany, Cambodia, and Ancient Rome are not the United States of America.

          • bossmanham

            Godwin’s law is a fake fallacy. It’s cited to divert attention away from an analogy to the cruelty of Hitler. My analogies were about changes in societies that were negative that a minority of people saw. Your analogies were regarding positive changes. That there exist positive changes proves nothing about whether wide cultural acceptance of homosexual lifestyle choices is a positive development. You can’t just cite some good cultural shifts and say, “look at that, therefore gay is good.” That’s the false analogy, buddy. It’s irrelevant what the circumstances are when changes happen. What is relevant only is what the change is. Moral decay for the sake of change isn’t positive, and that’s what accepting homosexuality is.

            True conservatives aren’t about moral decay. And true conservatives don’t spend their time worrying about normalizing people who enjoy sodomizing each other.

            So get off it.

          • Shootist

            One can always say “Mao” or “Stalin” and get the same msg across w/o casting stupidity upon ones’ self.  btw, “fake fallacy” either means something is an absolute truth, or is a nullity.
            Live and let live. It really isn’t yours, or my, business how others’ live their lives. That is the very definition of Liberty. “Gay” is neither “good” nor “bad” outside of the context of your personal self. What do you care if your neighbor buggers his buddy?

          • bossmanham

            And then you’d make up fake fallacies about that.

            // It really isn’t yours, or my, business how others’ live their lives.

            It is when it becomes the state (which is of the people by the people for the people supposedly) actively endorsing and fostering that behavior.

            //”Gay” is neither “good” nor “bad” outside of the context of your personal self

            But I suppose people supposedly getting in other people’s business is objectively wrong, eh? Spare me your simplistic relativism.

          • Shootist

            c. 1632-1800. By allowing Catholics to be catholic, and live in Maryland, Protestants were “actively endorsing and fostering that behavior”?
            No. They were just letting others’ live.

          • bossmanham

            And this is what GOProud is about. Just passivity and a “nothing to see here” attitude? Mmhmm.

          • Shootist

            They don’t have a Right to express their needs as they see them? They do not have the Right of representation in government? They do not have the Right to be left alone to pursue Happiness as they see fit?
            Liberty takes a shellacking.

          • bossmanham

            First off, getting married and general public acceptance of your personal sexual behavior aren’t “needs.” They can express whatever they want, but that doesn’t mean we endorse them or their movement by including them in our activities.

            They do have the right to be left alone. They’re the ones pursuing public attention.

            And just because gay sex makes them “happy” doesn’t mean we must accept it.

            “Liberty takes a shellacking.”

            Heh. No

          • Shootist

            So don’t support their attempt to be married. What is so hard in that? Just because they want to caucus with you doesn’t mean you are obligated to support their every demand.
            A group that believes itself to be oppressed has every Right, in our society, to seek a public hearing of their grievances. And to petition Congress. And to Lobby political parties. And to attempt to change minds. Your complaint about their pursuing public attention rings damn hollow.
            There is a lot of work to do to repair this nation. A little thing like, who buggers whom, is hardly worth thinking about.

          • bossmanham

            Uh….what do you think we’re doing?

            //A group that believes itself to be oppressed has every Right, in our society, to seek a public hearing of their grievances

            Absolutely. And when they do, they must be prepared for public scrutiny, and those of us that disagree with them have the right to challenge their assertions. I wish people like you wouldn’t act like we’re lynching them when we push back on things.

            //There is a lot of work to do to repair this nation. A little thing like, who buggers whom, is hardly worth thinking about.

            I’m totally willing to work with them on that stuff. But we can do that without them forming a group specifically committed to pushing gay causes in the conservative movement.

          • Shootist

            You are refusing to allow them to caucus with you at CPAC.

          • bossmanham

            I have no power a CPAC. But yes, they shouldn’t identify with them as constituted as that group due to what they represent. I’m sure they could come if they didn’t come as that group.

          • Shootist

            There is no Liberty in the modern GOP? Either that, or many have forgotten the definition of the word, and how it applies in America.

          • bossmanham

            What are you talking about?

          • Shootist

            A rather long conversation it appears you missed.

          • bossmanham

            Wasn’t me that missed anything…

  • hwy505

    As a conservative I must say that CPAC is wrong. The liberal media will grab hold and use this against the GOP while allowing the Liberals to get away with ideology thats not just bad for a political party, but bad for a country. CPAC has to let these types of decisions go, and show more open-mindedness, otherwise events like this will be hallmarks of negative campaigning against any and all of future GOP candidates. I may not agree with a lifestyle, but it doesn’t mean that they should be excluded, especially if they have the same political ideology as mine.

    • Hiraghm

      What makes you think they have the same political ideology as you?
      They are not, “young conservatives for fiscal responsibility” or “senior conservatives for smaller government”… they are “GOProud”… as in proud to be homosexuals with an agenda.

      • Finrod Felagund

        So what in this do you disagree with? Be specific.

  • kim

    Want it changed? Start an email campaign to CPAC telling them

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/44F4AB4VSCTOCHBMBG4ZWWD5OU Laurel

      Good idea!

  • dunst43

    It’s 3rd party time. F*uck the GOP. Hug the GOProud and lift up the Conservative Party of America.

  • Marie

    I wouldn’t have a problem with GOProud if they actually supported religious rights. What I mean by this is that if they recognized that a small business should not be forced to provide goods or services to gay couples for their gay weddings, I’d be on board with them 100%. Yet every single time a Christian business owner is forced into participating in a gay marriage by being forced into providing services for gay weddings, this group is completely silent.

    I’m not particularly bothered by their exclusion from CPAC. I’m grateful for any gay person to see the light and be a fiscally conservative, free-market capitalist, but if they want me to respect their rights, they’ve got to respect mine. They aren’t getting any support from me until they do so.

  • Sam Howard

    I find it completely ridiculous that the right can’t see itself clear of this ignorant bigotry. The right needs to start thinking more libertarian if it wishes to survive.

  • http://www.facebook.com/Prowl1984 Tom Lund

    Well said.

  • philomena

    Wow, I guess you just made Luke’s point. People like you do give a rotten name to Republicans and conservatives. You are neither. You’re simply hateful and ignorant.

  • Hiraghm

    Really? If he’s so ignorant… point out where he’s wrong about biology?
    How is he any more “hateful” than you are?

  • philomena

    If you need someone to point out what is hateful and ignorant, as in your biology “lessons” and your nasty running commentary with the other insecure guys on this site, you’ve made my point.