Donald Trump has repeatedly referred to President Obama as the “founder of ISIS,” and he called Hillary Clinton the terrorist group’s “co-founder.” In Orlando yesterday, Trump also said that ISIS would present Obama with their “Most Valuable Player” award.

Answering reports about those statements, Trump blasted CNN and other pundits, saying they don’t understand he was being intentionally over-the-top:

Trump doubled down on the “Obama was the founder of ISIS” comments yesterday in an interview with Hugh Hewitt, with no mention of sarcasm.