Vox, home of the “explainer,” apparently decided that outlets like MSNBC just weren’t getting the job done when it came to explaining just what democratic socialism is, and so they brought in Meagan Day, a staff writer at socialist magazine Jacobin and a member of Democratic Socialists of America, to clear the record.

We did get a taste of what the DSA wants when we covered this tweet last month:

OK, abolish borders, profit, prisons, ICE, and cash bail for starters. So imagine our shock when Day revealed that, “In the long run, democratic socialists want to end capitalism.”

So what is the difference between democratic socialism and New Deal liberalism?

Spoiler … it’s what gave them the opportunity to even consider an idea as stupid as democratic socialism.