The concept of self-defense is terribly outdated in this day and age. At least that’s what Attorney General Eric Holder seems to believe.

Addressing the NAACP this afternoon, Holder, using the context of the Zimmerman trial, bemoaned the destruction resulting from citizens exercising their right to defend themselves:

For Holder, this was a perfect opportunity to rail against Florida’s Stand Your Ground legislation — despite the fact that SYG was never invoked by Zimmerman:

It also afforded him a platform for his ridiculous contention that when faced in public with a potentially dangerous confrontation, the onus is on the victim:


“There has always been a legal defense for using deadly force if — and the “if” is important — if no safe retreat is available. But we must examine laws that take this further by eliminating the commonsense and age-old requirement that people who feel threatened have a duty to retreat outside their homes if they can do so safely. By allowing and perhaps encouraging violent situations to escalate in public, such laws undermine public safety. The list of resulting tragedies is long, and unfortunately has victimized too many who are innocent. It is our collective obligation. We must stand our ground.”

How does that work, exactly?

So now, potential victims are the enemy?

And they have a “duty to retreat”?

Bravely running away may be Holder et al.’s M.O.:

But that sort of twisted logic doesn’t work for those of us in the real world:

  • Cy

    According to liberals we’re all victims anyway, so why not go this far? Just more BS from the people who think you’re only safe when the government is protecting you.

    • rennyangel2

      Holder is a POS.

      • genann59

        I though the music in the background was appropriate – it sounded like the music played in the background of the old silent versions of the Keystone cops.

    • czynik

      According to liberals only blacks are victims and only whites are to blame. That’s in spite of the FBI stats that show 85% of racial based crime is committed by blacks against whites and only 15% is committed by whites against blacks.

  • aposematic

    Sounds like the same stance the Obuma Admin has taken on terrorism!

    • shimauma

      Libturdian gub’mint officials want to get rid of Stand Your Ground so average citizens won’t have legal ground to defend themselves from the invasion of libturdian gub’mint officials.

  • StandSomeMore

    Pardon me, young man. Would you kindly get off my abdomen so that I may get up and run away? Thank you.

    • Damien Johnson

      I laughed.

    • cattnipp

      then why is it that Martin had NONE of Zimmerman”s DNA on his hands or clothes??????

      • Lienathan

        1) Altercation took place in the rain and rain washes away DNA evidence. 2) The ME’s office did a crappy job of preserving evidence. Testimony at the trial essentially established the evidence was spoiled. 3) CSI, where they always get perfect fingerprints and pinpoint DNA evidence, is a fictional television show and real life forensic science is rarely that clear cut. 4) Your point is moot anyway because there is an eyewitness to Martin holding down and beating Zimmerman, so stop repeating talking points like a damned parrot.

      • StandSomeMore

        read the autopsy report. the only part of Martin’s hands that was tested was the underside of his fingernails. no other part of his hands were even tested, including the knuckles.

      • Slugglife

        Maybe you shouldve watched the trial so that you wouldnt have to spout off the artificial talking points youve been fed.

      • Jeff Coil

        Eyewitness testified that Martin was on top of Zimmerman. EPIC FAIL.

        • dockilldare

          then please explain the forensic scientist, Daniel Schumaker, confirmed that from martin’s cloths and wound that the only realistic positions for the two men was Martin on top of Zimmerman? please go watch the trial and evidence because when you repeat false talking points you only show your ignorance of the evidence in the case.

      • czynik

        Did Z break his own nose and bloody the back of his own head? Was anyone else involved besides Z and TM – no. Witnesses saw TM sitting on top of Z.
        Time for a little common sense.

        Z shot TM in (legal) self defense but he should never have gotten himself in that situation in the first place – bad judgement on his part but not illegal. Just like the juror said in her interview with CNN.

  • BoscoBolt

    “People who feel threatened have a duty to retreat, vomit or tinkle on themselves.”
    – obama’s pussified liberals.

    • 1CatEye

      Too bad I can’t vomit on command. But I am a good shot.

    • Adela Wagner

      And the biggest ones are on The Hill. I am so sick of this crap. i will never be the aggressor, but I damn sure ain’t gonna be the victim ever again.

  • RblDiver

    *Contemplates running up to Holder saying “threatening” things, and then reminding him it’s his duty to retreat, not mine to not be threatening*

    • Vonda Rochelle

      I had to laugh as I got the picture of him running, pissing his pants and then when retreat was no longer an option, vomiting at you.

  • The Masked Avatar

    So Martin had a duty to retreat?

    • syvyn11

      If anything Trayvon had that duty. He chose to fight. He chose poorly.

    • TDS

      No, he was black, so he was allowed not only to stand his ground, but he was supposed to teach that “creepy a** cracker”(1) a lesson about respect.

      Note 1: Was that right or is it supposed to be “cracka”, with an “a”? It’s still a little confusing. Guess I need to watch Piers Morgan again…

      • 1CatEye

        Please consult your new Black Dictionary. Oh, that’s right. Writing is too difficult, too.

        • chewydog

          Hopefully, that’s not all in cursive…

      • Adela Wagner

        It’s CrackER…that is, unless you’re just so damn lazy you refuse to even say full words.

        • Damien Johnson

          Well I use “Ain’t,” “sayin’,” general dropping of the “g” with words that end in “ing” when I’m talking. I can just turn it on and off, and sometimes I would write the way that I talk but otherwise I spell my words.

          • Adela Wagner

            HAHA we all do things like that, heck look at some of my posts, I have a southern accent and at times I like my posts to reflect how I actually talk and how it sounds in my head. I love accents. They reflect history and environments. What I am talking about here is the intentional refusal to enunciate.

            Downright murdering just about every word to the point of it becoming the actual way you talk. When you leave off half of every word and barely move your mouth, whole sentences become long slurs. I’ve seen people do this in job interviews, on TV, on the witness stand, while talking to the police….places where one with good sense would actually WANT to be well understood. And to me that is plain lazy.

            There was a comedian George Carlin who was a great proponent of the way we look at words, the alternate meanings we give to them, the power we give to them. Pretty insightful and pretty funny.

        • Andy Porter

          somebody is posturing

          • Adela Wagner

            Cleared up what I meant, now YOU do the same, Mister” joined disquis to make ONE post”.

    • ObamaFail

      Apparently, he had the “civil right” to beat a man to death, because being black is a license to be a criminal with no repercussion. But ONLY if you vote Democrat.

    • Lolly

      I wish I could gazillion like this post. I’ll bet (if I had anywhere near it) a trillion dollars that Holder isn’t going to admit that anyone besides GZ has a duty to act differently, in any way.

  • Blake Waymire

    What he really means is that if you are being attacked by a black person, your duty is to run away. If you cannot run away, your duty is to allow said black person to beat you as much as he is willing. If you die, well, that’s racial justice. Conversely, if you so much as look a black person, it is that black person’s duty to teach you a lesson about racism through violence.

    • Damien Johnson

      This shit is fucking out of control. And because of my race I’m actually fucking afraid to voice this for fear of being labeled a traitor or something. Just want to look at the facts!

      • Chevypowered

        Amen brother and it’s going to get a lot worse for us. A lot worse.

        • Damien Johnson

          Ugh… I think all us rational blacks oughta form one large group so we can’t get taken out or something by other blacks. Wow. what a new direction this country has turned in.

          • Chevypowered

            I’ve long since accepted the fact that a great separation is needed and in fact upon us. Those of us who want to live and be successful in life and those who just want to live and feed off the system. Knowing this administration they would probably incorporate a “sellout” tax since we are making the weak minded feel bad about themselves.

          • Damien Johnson

            some have proposed splitting everybody into one side of the country and the other. Our side would likely thrive, the other… not so much.

          • Chevypowered

            In which we would be blamed for their failure. Brother’s keeper and all that jazz.

            Regardless I have no qualms about it.

          • Lolly

            which side of the country do you think they’d choose for rationally minded people? The interaction between you and Chevypowered has been interesting and refreshing.

          • Damien Johnson

            I feel like the rational-minded would stick to the south half. Unfortunately this means some will be stuck in the hellhole known as California, but them’s the breaks.

      • Adela Wagner

        You are not a traitor to your country. You cannot be a “traitor” of your race, you said it and no matter how they may try, they cannot take your race away from you. And if anyone tries to Shame Lash you, I will stand with you.

        • Damien Johnson

          I really appreciate that. Heck, I might be being a bit hysterical myself after talking about everyone else getting too wound up. Still, I think I should keep quiet until all the tension is down. I mean, you know you’re not going to win when both your divorced parents who hate each other actually agree on something and think Zimmerman should be jailed, and you feel you would not shed a tear for either verdict but the facts matter in the end.

          • Adela Wagner

            We all have to pick our own battles. And to keep the peace within a family, we really have to decide if something is worth getting” into it” over.

            I find at times it is worth just not voicing anything.It’s a lesson I struggle to follow in my own life, but there is no rule that says you MUST chime in.
            And you’ve already figured out a good course,Let them calm down and maybe things will sink in. After all, these are the people who raised you, so they can’t be too bad… 😉

          • Damien Johnson

            Probably shouldn’t. I told my mom I wasn’t sure about getting a newer internet-connected tv with all the NSA crap coming out. She just UNLOADED about how there’s terrorists here and there and that it’s perfectly ok to have our rights violated and for us to be spied on. I just gave up. She got overly emotional and never even let me finish a sentence.

          • NRPax

            OK, you have me curious about this so please don’t take this the wrong way.

            With your parents being the way they are, how did you come to the viewpoints that you have?

          • Damien Johnson

            No, that was just my mom. my father is awake about everything else, but is convinced the trayvon case is a race issue.

            as to how I came about them, it was just a natural thing to care about my rights.

          • Tomrad

            Good to see that there are sensible people of all races. I may not be a pirate but if I dress and act like one then people will treat me like one. When people of color stop dressing and acting like thugs then they will stop being treated like one. Whites cannot change this. Only blacks can do this for themselves.

          • Damien Johnson

            Well I maintain that Trayvon wasn’t “dressed like a thug.” It was still not a racial thing, or a dress thing like the media made it out to be. It was that this unfamiliar kid was in an unfamiliar area, and was perceived to be acting strangely and followed briefly. This unfamiliar area also happened to be the victim of a rash of burglaries. Considering Trayvon’s history and the fact that he was caught with stolen property and drugs at school just four months before his death, he was probably right. But he still shouldn’t have followed him IMO.

            More evidence supports that Zimmerman ceased following and that Trayvon doubled back and attacked Zimmerman, than evidence that just doesn’t seem to be there that Zimmerman continued following Trayvon which provoked Trayvon into attacking him, then Zimmerman shooting him. This is the thing a lot of people can’t seem to accept; I feel whether Zimmerman deserves to go to jail or not hinges not on self-defense because he has that right period, but of his status as the instigator. If he instigated, since he created a situation that resulted in a kid’s death even though the kid had him pinned, then that should be what sends him to jail and not for self-defense. If he was removing himself from the situation at which point Trayvon attacked him, had him pinned to the ground to where he couldn’t do anything else (why people actually think he was supposed to just take his beating is beyond me, although I personally don’t agree with Zimmerman shooting Trayvon but the fact is that that’s what happened), then he has every right to defend himself.

          • Tomrad

            You make some good points. But here is one thing no one has asked that I know of: If Zimmerman was such a “creepy ass cracker” and was following Martin then why didn’t Martin call the police on his cell phone? If he felt threatened and wasn’t doing anything wrong then that would have been the thing to do imo.

          • Damien Johnson

            Now that makes no sense. But considering Trayvon’s history, it could be he just didn’t want to have to deal with police where presumably all his past transgressions would come out. He instead called his friend when he should’ve dialed 911 and said (hey, somebody’s following me, can you help me out here). If anybody was racist, it was Trayvon. We don’t have proof Zimmerman called Trayvon a nigger, now do we?

          • Tomrad

            Well I honestly don’t believe George is a racist- he had called police
            in the past about suspicious people that were white and Hispanic so he
            wasn’t just targeting a black man but someone he thought could be up to
            no good.The race baiting done here will only widen the divide among
            races unfortunately.

          • Damien Johnson

            And that’s what I’ve been saying. And I’ve also been adding that even if Zimmerman WAS a racist, this was a minority being racist towards another minority. Not what the media was trying to make it.

          • JamesMc

            I agree that the “dressed like a thug” meme is erroneous or at least misleading. I grew up in a neighborhood where what you wore could get you mistaken for a gang member (usually by other gang members). So I do see the rational for the argument, but there’s no evidence that is what made Zimmerman suspicious of Martin. More likely, it was simply the manner in which Martin was walking and the fact that people don’t normally take strolls in the rain that made him suspicious.

          • Damien Johnson

            Some elements of the story make it sound like Trayvon was casing the joint, but it was probably just the influence of drugs. This article

            Makes a great case that shows that beforehand, Trayvon had smoked weed before getting back home and while weed doesn’t make one aggressive, he could’ve still been aggressive regardless of the effects of the weed.

          • JamesMc

            Getting high doesn’t prevent aggression, just makes it less likely to make rational decisions. Despite the arguments to the contrary, weed doesn’t always make people docile.

            When I was younger, I got high with my share of paranoid tweakers. They were pretty fun to lay head trips on and watch them bounce off the walls. As far as I know, Martin was one of those types and Ms. Jeantel was just feeding him lines that made him more paranoid.

          • Damien Johnson

            Now this sounds better because I have no interest in ever taking drugs, and you actually have the experience to confirm this.

          • Wozz

            Smoking weed doesn’t make you aggressive (unless you consider attacking a bag of potato chips aggressive) but it does you make you stupid and paranoid! When you have an idiot on the phone telling you that the guy following you may be a gay that wants to do unspeakable things to you or your little brother, you might make stupid choices! IMHO…that girl he was talking to is the MOST accountable person involved! She egged him on to “put a whoop-ass” on Zimmerman and got the kid killed in the process!

          • Wayne A.

            And what would she have said about it if the current president was a white Republican?

          • Damien Johnson

            I’m not sure and I’d prefer not to bring that up again. Especially since my current priority is dancing around my views about Trayvon when it comes up. That is, I say that I have no opinion but it’s a half truth-my opinion is that the case could’ve gone either way and that Zimmerman had every right to defend himself if he couldn’t remove himself from the situation. If Trayvon felt threatened he had every right to defend himself if he couldn’t remove himself from the situation.

            Mom feels Zimmerman is guilty without question. I feel he’s guilty if it can be proven he was the instigator. That’s what I believe his innocence hinges on-not if he defended himself against trayvon, but if he created the situation in the first place which resulted in a death. The problem is we can’t prove he did or did not create the situation.

          • mike_in_kosovo

            The problem is we can’t prove he did or did not create the situation.

            There’s *two* separate ‘situations’. The first one ended when Martin ran, breaking contact. Martin returning to lay in wait is a second, separate incident.

          • Damien Johnson

            I believe there’s more proof that supports that Martin ran and returned rather than proof that Martin was never gone from the situation.

          • mike_in_kosovo

            Yes, that was my point. Once you remove yourself from the situation (*), by returning, any protection under self-defense is going to be much, MUCH harder to prove, *because* you put yourself *back* into that situation.

            (*) – or have the *option* to remove yourself but do not

          • Lolly

            yeah, or a “duty to retreat”, per Holder!

        • Lolly

          Adela: Total truth! And another thing–I’m the same race as Damien, even though our countries of genetic origins are different. I was having a discussion with a teen-aged waitress. We were discussing that white people were getting beaten up (right after Trayvon died) and the beaters were yelling “This is for Trayvon!” I mentioned that I thought it hypocritical that Mr. Jackson and Mr. Sharpton weren’t flying on in, holding press conferences and demanding that the young perpetrators be caught and punished. She actually said, “Well, I think we should take care of our own people, first.” I said, “If you continue to think of us as different “peoples” then we will never have a unified nation. We will always be fighting. WE ARE THE SAME RACE”
          anyway–that was just a whole lotta babbling on my part, but I wanted to (positively) add to the ideas you presented.

      • Rusty Shackleford

        Should minorities have a duty to retreat from Joe-Bob Hammerskin threatening them for the color of their skin now? Maybe gays should have a duty to retreat when threatened by bigots in white sheets as well. I’d like to hear Mr. Holder answer those questions on the record. We need to call these pricks out on arguments people will understand and relate with.

        • AMERICAN Kafir™(KAdams)

          Yeah, like that street preacher what was attacked in Washington, I believe… the ‘attacker’ felt threatened by the preacher’s message, so therefore should have exercised his duty to retreat from said message.

        • mike_in_kosovo

          Should minorities have a duty to retreat from Joe-Bob Hammerskin threatening them for the color of their skin now?

          No more than white people have a duty to retreat from Jamal LaShawn Jones threatening them for the color of *their* skin.

          I wonder if Obama will be having a press conference stating how Holder “spoke stupidly”…because that was a pure-quill, dumb as a box of hammers stupid statement from Holder.

    • grais

      I wonder if he realizes that he’s saying that Trayvon had a duty to retreat, instead of going back to find George and attack him.

    • objectivefactsmatter

      This is what Holder learned from the Black Panthers.

    • IronButterfly

      So the whole civil right movement of the 60s should have retreated from the white racist and never stood their ground?

    • tjp77

      Yep, that pretty much sums it up.

      The really sad part is that these ideas hurt black people more than anything in the long run, because it draws a very bright line through society and reinforces the absurd notion that skin color makes us very different in very real ways.

  • lesterwink23

    I am thoroughly disgusted by this man. He is an abject coward who just makes up the law as he goes. Disgraceful.

    • Texan357

      “makes up the law as he goes.”
      That, and like POTUS, ignores ones he doesn’t like.

  • Texan357

    This man is a lawyer. This man is our AG. I must have missed Rod Serling’s Signpost somewhere, for surely we are all trapped in the Twilight Zone.

    • genann59

      And Obama apparently hopes to eventually place this man on the Supreme Court. Yep – Twilight Zone for sure.

  • The Masked Avatar
    • waterytart

      You know you’ve got MY vote!

  • TDS

    How about, instead of “Duty to Retreat”, we go with “Run Like a Scared Little Girly-Girl”?

    • Txgirlinnh

      Well this girly-girl sends a huge FU to Holder. I do not have the ‘duty to retreat’ if I feel my, or my children’s, life is in danger. Is he freaking kidding.

  • Steven A

    Remember when some leader said “We’re going to attack, and keep attacking. We are not going to stop. I don’t want to hear you are ‘holding your position.’ We’re going to hold him by the nose, and kick him in the a**.”

    Man, America sure was a darker, meaner place full much worse people back then.

    • Conservativesniper

      I would say tougher instead of the candyasses of today. Courage is in as short a supply as common sense. The leader to whom you are referring was Gen. Patton. You’re a sissy.

      • Steven A

        By comparison to Gen. Patton, we’re all sissies.

        • Conservativesniper

          Not really. Gen. Patton was a courageous man, but there are plenty of Americans today who are just as tough but, without as much bravado. America is not a darker, meaner place.

          • BayushiZero

            It may not be a darker or meaner place. However, it IS a much dumber place. The stupidity is palpable now.

          • Conservativesniper

            Can’t argue that, look who’s POTUS.

    • Lolly

      Who said those lines? I must admit, I’m sure I learned it at one time, but it has been twenty something years since I was in school.

      • Lolly

        Never mind. It was answered below!!

  • Kenpachi

    Mr. Holder, Mr. Holder! Will the new “duty to retreat” apply to the Mexican drug cartels that you armed or only to American citizens?

    • TDS

      We have to retreat from them, too…

    • Rella

      If only those killed in Benghazi had known they were supposed to retreat!

  • Peyton

    Retreat Hell! We just got here!

    • NRPax

      And in a similar vein: “We’re surrounded. That makes it easier.”

  • Beverly

    So if Holder feels threatened, he and his Secret Service detail should retreat.

    • objectivefactsmatter

      No! It’s enemies of the left that must retreat.

  • Rella

    If you’ve read anything all over the internet it’s that Trayvon Martin had a right to defend himself from his “stalker” – they claim Trayvon Martin was using self defense when he punched Zimmerman in the nose, but now according to Holder Martin should have just gone home! Imagine that!

    • TDS

      Laws don’t apply the same to different races…

    • Eric D. Mertz

      Jeantel just gave us the motive for Trayvon’s assault of Zimmerman. Dude was a gay basher who seemed to think Zimmerman was a Predatory Pedophile who might go after Trayvon’s brother.

      • TDS

        She should be charged as an accessory to the assault on Zimmerman.

        • Rella

          I don’t believe for a minute we’ve heard anything close to the truth of her last conversation with St. Skittles. That’s why she hid out and then lied about her age and didn’t show up at the funeral. She knows that Trayvon was going to start a fight and he lost. That’s why she didn’t want anything to with the authorities and why her story keeps changing. She didn’t want anybody finding out the truth that Martin went after Zimmerman when now according to Holder he had a “duty to retreat”! Of course Martin was not afraid – he was full of himself and too dumb to worry about whether Zimmerman had a gun.

          • Eric D. Mertz

            Limbaugh mentioned today that he doesn’t think we will see more of Jeantel for a while. Not until Crump hires a handler to help her speak with a more educated diction. Her egging Trayvon on will disappear as well.

          • Rella

            A person like that cannot be handled. She is really too dumb to realize that the way she acts and the things she says really do not help and actually hurts the Trayvon Martin defenders. The other thing she said which I think adds credence to the idea that the last conversation was more of a “you go teach that cracker a lesson Trayvon” were her comments about in her “culture” Trayvon wasn’t trying to kill Zimmerman he was just doing what her culture refers to as “whoop a*&” It was as if she were admitting that Trayvon started a fight and Zimmerman should have just taken his beating.

          • Eric D. Mertz

            I am right there with you, her actions on the stand proved to me that she is mentally challenged at best. Same with the egging him on theory, her comments certainly seemed to me to be planting the seeds for motive and then helping to egg him on.

          • grais

            Crump needs as much help with diction as she does.
            Have you listened to that guy? He’s almost as bad as Jesse Jackson,

          • Eric D. Mertz

            Never had the displeasure, thankfully.

        • Eric D. Mertz

          Her comments to Piers Morgan does seem to indicate she egged him on and planted the motive in his mind.

        • Clayton B

          She’ll collect thousands in appearance money over the next few weeks. She is illiterate, by her own admission. Her twitter feed (scrubbed) is a tale of weed, booze (lean), and drunk driving. She’ll be dead before the end of the year, and statistically, by cause of one of her own.

      • Rella

        Jeantel needs to keep talking til she stumbles onto the truth which was Martin was mad because somebody looked at him funny so he decided he was gonna teach the creepy a*& cracker a lesson. Martin was not threatned or afraid. Funny how a story just keeps getting more and more embellished – why didn’t it come out at trial that Martin was afraid for his little brother?

  • John LaRosa

    F**k you, Stedman. #EnoughIsEnough

  • Eric D. Mertz

    To be fair to Holder, you SHOULD try to break contact if doing so is an any way realistically possible. It should NOT be a legal requirement, but you still should try to break contact if you can. What he is missing is are the innumerable cases where doing so will only make you a victim. Stand Your Ground and Castle laws are legal protections granted to people so they can’t be sued by the people trying to kill them.

    It is a crying shame that our DOJ is trying to criminalize self-defense, and we need to make sure that is how we message it in the future. We need to point out that this will make us more dependent upon a government and police force which is not legally obligated to protect us. Hammering home the points about violence in major cities with draconian gun laws is a major part of this. Especially if we can do so on Musket Morgan’s show.

    • alanstorm

      And, as has been noted, it’s hard to retreat when someone’s sitting on top of you, smacking your head into the concrete.

      • Eric D. Mertz

        My thoughts exactly, I am guessing Holder prolly just ignored that entire set of evidence as inconvenient / racist.

  • Pat Loudoun

    So now Piers sounds French. I’m so confused.

  • waterytart

    This last 5 years has been one long, nasty lesson, have we learned anything my conservative friends? At the very least, when we return to the political majority, are we at least willing to take the gloves off? Don’t need to march and screech, and occupy state houses with jars full of bodily fluids, but at least hold our elected officials responsible for speaking up for us and themselves when in the public forum. Way tired of the “go along, to get along” mentality, this is what it’s gotten us.

    • Damien Johnson

      As an independent gone anti-liberal I’m fully inclined to agree.

  • TDS

    I hear he’s going after Castle Doctrine next because it’s obviously a racist concept because the majority of the victims that are shot by home owners during home invasions are black…

    • ObamaFail

      And if anyone points out that they were shot while invading someone’s home with the intention of robbing or raping or killing the owners, well, that’s just racist.

    • NRPax

      That and castles were owned by the white man so these laws obviously hearken back to more racist times.

      • TDS

        Forgot about that…

        Castles are definitely a white European construct…
        OBVIOUSLY Racist!

        Of course “Mud Hut Doctrine” doesn’t really have she same flare, does it?

        • NRPax

          And using the term mud hut is racist.

  • socalcon

    “Duty to Retreat”: Standard practice for DC Repubs.

  • larrymwalkerjr

    Duty to Retreat: I guess that means if you turn down the wrong street and get jumped, you have a duty to get your head bashed in and must keep your gun in the holster, even if you have to die in the process, because it’s your fault for turning down that street in the first place. What a load of bull.

  • PhxRising

    Eric Holder went to Columbia Law School and THIS is what he comes up with??

    Mr. Holder, how dare you. I suggest YOU retreat and keep your ignorant, race-pandering a** out of my life.

  • kch50428

    If Trayvon felt threatened… it was his duty to retreat, right???

  • Steve_J

    Then why didn’t Martin retreat?

  • demoivre

    What’s amazing is that Stand Your Ground laws weren’t even related to the Zimmerman case.
    It was classic self-defense…no SYG at all.

  • Rich

    Martin committed suicide when he attacked and tried to kill an armed man. Every punk should think twice before he tries to use brute force on someone.

    • thetreyman

      how about instead of getting rid of stand your ground the DOJ do some commercials informing people that if they decide to attack someone on the street they might get their ass shot.

      • PhxRising

        Yes! This is the gist of the GZ case! Be *very* careful when you choose to punch someone in the face, knock him down, and climb on top of him to continue punching. Take a chance and pay the price.

        But do we really need a public service announcement from DOJ? I think I hear Darwin calling.

  • John Rebori

    If you see yourself as a victim in all things, I’d guess “duty to not upset the scary person” would seem a reasonable idea.

  • tjp77

    Soooo yeah. Lets think about this; you’re mortally threatened, but have a ‘duty to retreat’. Which means that in order to be on the right side of the law, you need to give up what could be a tactically advantageous position and run away, hoping that the bad guy doesn’t give chase — because if he does, you’ll then have to defend yourself while retreating, putting yourself into even greater danger than you were when the whole situation started. And if you don’t, you’ll be the one in jail.

    Great plan. More brilliance from the Obama administration. These guys aren’t going to be happy until we’re all on our knees to the government.

  • Clint Stanley

    So what about law enforcement? If someone pulls a weapon on them or they think or perceive someone is about to pull a weapon on them or attack them, do they also have a “duty to retreat”? (not bashing law enforcement) . NO they don’t and you wouldn’t expect them to, so why should we? We have every “right” to protect our life and body up to and including lethal force (as an absolute last resort). That “right” doesn’t magically disappear when you walk out your front door or cross your property line.

  • Hiraghm

    The federal government has a duty not to stick its nose in local and State affairs.

    • MNWoman

      YES!!!! I talk to my mom about politics a lot and we both agree that the 10th amendment is one of the most overlooked parts of our bill of rights.

    • Lolly


  • Stephen L. Hall

    Contrary to what Eric Holder asserts, there has never been a traditional “Duty to Retreat.” This is a foolish modern contrivance of liberals. Are you sure that he actually went to law school?

  • HWGood

    So if Holder and Our Beloved Leader™ feel threatened by the TEA Party they should retreat.

    • Lolly

      I laughed out LOUD at your trademarked phrase. It is the best thing I’ve heard all day.

  • Stephen L. Hall

    Either (1) any person who lives through self defense, goes to jail or (2) it was the dead man’s fault because he didn’t retreat or (3) whoever the prosecutor doesn’t like is the guilty party.

  • Hiraghm

    By that logic, we should have retreated after Pearl Harbor.

  • Regina Moore

    The toddler who was sitting in his stroller in Brunswick, Georgia should have retreated before he was shot in the face and killed. Sorry Baby, but you should have gotten out and ran.

  • keyboard jockey

    Or you could pee on yourself or vomit….oh wait no that’s the democrat’s advice if someone try’s to rape you/

  • cmerlo1

    People worry about Obama. I personally think Eric Holder is the most dangerous threat to Freedom America has ever had in public office.

    • MNWoman

      I will admit I don’t know the procedures for scheduling Judicial Oversight hearings, so if anyone could help me out, when will Holder have to appear before the Senate and House Judiciary Committees again?

      Senator Cruz was absolutely unwavering in his aggressive questioning last February reagarding his stance on drones and Holder’s involvement in Fast and Furious.

      I honestly don’t know if anyone in the Senate, perhaps with the exception of Cruz, would have the guts to stand up to this insanity.

      • Garth Haycock

        I think Mike Lee and Rand Paul would as well. Lee and Cruz are on the Senate Judiciary committee and I would love to see Holder get called back in front of that committee so Cruz and Lee could team up on him and make him cry.

        • MNWoman

          Gohmert and Gowdy are on the House Judiciary Committee. They may demand to know where the justification is for further investigations into this case.

      • cmerlo1

        Sadly, based on the NOTHING that happened to Holder after Fast and Furious, I don’t see any real thing that can stop him at this point. Yes, there are some great legislators whose hearts are in the right place, but it’s going to take more than just bringing him in for questioning where he can deny everything without impunity.

    • feduppianoman

      The main reason is as the chief law enforcement officer in the United States he gives Obama licenses to do whatever he wants with impunity. He makes Obama untouchable, but he gets his marching orders from Obama.

  • NachoCheese (D)

    This certainly explains the administration’s (non)response to Benghazi.

  • Harlan Hikaru Fox

    The ultimate goal here is to extend it to inside your own home, so when roving bands of thugs come to rob/occupy your house, you have to let them. After all, it’s just redistributive justice, to Holder, Obama, et. al.

  • Zathras11 @B5

    Eric Holder admits that George Zimmerman was the one threatened, and feels we should run from bullies (or wanna be gangsta thugs).

    • neoface

      NO, no, no, you got it all wrong, didn’t the prosecutor referred to Trayvon as an innocent child due to no fault of his own. Can a child break someone’s nose with a punch and crack back of their head against the concrete, and that’s innocent behavior? I’m not denying this is a tragedy, but I think this innocent child did his part in this unfortunate incident. This is the same justice system found O. J. innocent, I didn’t see protest. Just a thought.

  • mrt721

    Holder: “Don’t stand up for yourself. Run away.”
    Fits right in with his ‘Nation of Cowards’ view.

  • neoface

    According to Holder, when confronted please don’t use self defense, just let yourself be killed. Isn’t that behavior not part of human nature?

  • KansasGirl

    Holder, I’m not retreating from you or anyone else that threatens me or my family’s life.

  • Anonymous

    I’m confused. Isn’t Holder the same guy who said America is a nation of cowards?

  • Herman LaClair

    people who feel threatened have a duty to retreat…Obama’s foreign policy?

  • QueenB

    Sooooo what you’re saying is, Treyvon Martin had a duty to run home. Well, wouldn’t have been shot if he did, so I guess you’re right

    • Lolly

      I think I remember that jeantel said that TM was in his back yard at one point while they were talking. So, he made it all the way back home and then went up to the top of the street to confront GZ. I can’t say that is gospel truth, however.

      • Lolly

        i probably just misunderstood something. I can’t find it now. :(

  • Carolyn

    Sooo…if Martin was so threatened by Zimmerman, didn’t he have a Duty to Retreat? See Mr Epic Failure Holder…what happens when you apply the law equally? OH, wait…this administration doesn’t do that. My bad.

  • Jarhead83

    I really, seriously thought I had heard it all until now, and I’m really wondering what Holder will say next to top this one…

  • Magnifico

    Based on that, I’m screwed in a court of law. You attack me, I’ll shoot you. I’m not taking chances with my life.

  • MNWoman

    Not specifically in relation to this twitchy topic, but didn’t Holder also set up an email account today for people to send tips about the ZImmerman case?

    When will the insanity stop?

  • yviemarie88

    All this in the name of sparing the perp? Oh, I don’t think so.

  • lola

    I suppose it was Brian terry’s ‘duty to retreat’ as well.
    Then maybe he wouldn’t have been MURDERED with a gun provided BY YOU, Holder.

  • opus6

    Holder can blow all the hot air he wants. I will take my chances with the jury, thank you very much.

  • gunsmithkat

    Better to be condemned by 12 men than be carried out by six men.

  • Damien Johnson

    Well, f*ck. Guess I have the duty to retreat from America since the DHS bought 1.5billion rounds of ammo. That shit definitely makes me feel threatened.

  • Matthew Jeffers

    This guys leads the “Justice Department”??? GOD help us all!!

  • Climbr880

    Holder’s next job: Secretary of Defense! (Motto: “Run away, run away!”)

  • Chip

    Yeah, because it worked so well in Poland, Czech Republic, France, and Austria……..

  • JamesMc

    When did Stand Your Ground related deaths in this country qualify as a national emergency? Was there an epidemic of thousands of SYG deaths that I’m completely oblivious to?

    • TDS

      Well, since the majority of the victims of self defense shootings were black, it’s obviously a racial issue that needed to be looked into.

      • Stephen L. Hall

        But, since the majority of their intended victims were black, is he for or against these young black men. He wants to save them from being killed by someone defending themselves so he wants them to die because they can’t defend themselves? Perplexed.

        • TDS

          Good point…

      • JamesMc

        It isn’t obviously racial to me. A victim of a crime does not say, “This person is a pleasant looking white guy, so I’ll just let him beat me to death”. If the self-defense is justified, race plays no role in it.

        • TDS

          Sorry that you missed the sarcasm.

          I did try to lay it on fairly thick…

          • JamesMc

            Lol. I get trolled a lot and also troll the trolls, so my sarcasm detector gets a little faulty going into the late evening hours. My bad.

  • Kristine

    Run from bullies! Be a victim! If your house is being robbed, run outside and wait for them to be finished! If someone is raping you, don’t fight back! Just lay there until it’s over!

    It’s safer that way. No, really.

  • LegalizeShemp

    Simple, liberals want urban terrorists to be able to attack you with impunity, and they wish to remove the option of you defending yourself with deadly force. They want you to take the beating you deserve for being a part of American society which treats minorities with contempt.

  • 1CatEye

    Apparently Holder is as well acquainted with the law as his boss, Zero. He’s also as well acquainted with facts and evidence.

  • genann59

    Piers likes it because that is the law in GB. People who try to defend themselves or their property in GB can be charged as criminals if they harm the thugs trying to harm them or steal their property. Go back to GB, Piers, where victims of crime are victimized again by their government if they try to defend themselves or their property. That is part of why GB is so decadent. Run from harm, let cruelty and evil prevail, until only the cruel and evil are left. Not what America has ever been about.

  • JeffWRidge

    Holder’s legacy: Arming violent drug gangs and instructing honest citizens to run and hide from criminals. He’s the epitome of the progressive movement.

  • Bob

    Retreat, hell!

  • Jeff McCabe

    “But we must examine laws that take this further by eliminating the commonsense and age-old requirement that people who feel threatened have a duty to retreat outside their homes if they can do so safely.” This used to be the law in some of the NE United States. It was never the law in the state I grew up in or many of the other western states. It is neither commonsense nor a age old requirement.

  • Lord Foggybottom

    Did anybody notice Holder just admitted Travon was the aggressor? Also, why didn’t Travon have a “Duty to Retreat? and not go after Zimmerman?

  • logicrules

    Clearer Holder: A) Thugs have the right to demand your retreat.

    B) The innocent have the obligation to take the beating, failing compliance with A.


    Well, there’s the clincher… Piers Morgan disagrees with Stand Your Ground; translation = must be a good idea.

  • Zefal

    The blacks that were lynched, failed to retreat. It all makes sense now!

  • objectivefactsmatter

    More radical collectivism.

    Notice he’s not upset at all about gang violence. Because that’s part of the “social justice” plan. He’s not opposed to violence at all. He’s opposed to those who believe in capitalism and the US constitution.

    Fast and what?

  • alanstorm

    I’m really torn – is he as stupid as he appears, or does he think we are? Come to think of it, one could ask the same question about the whole administration.

  • CDUB

    F You. What about the slaughter in Chicago??? Justice for XXXX young black males being murdered by gang bangers?

    Oh and not even in self defense like the George Zimmerman verdict has proved.

  • TocksNedlog

    And so — once again — in making his ‘point’, someone on the left has OUTRIGHT ADMITTED that Trayvon attacked Zimmerman. Thank you, Mr. Attorney General!

    • alanstorm

      He did, didn’t he?

      • TocksNedlog

        He played CYA by prefacing his remarks with “separate from the case that just concluded,” but it was more of a wink-wink nudge-nudge type of ‘separate’.

  • ndbucksmith

    Did that duty to retreat apply to Trayvon? He was 100 yards from his house when he decided to commit assault and battery against Zimmerman. It is tragic what happened to him as a result, but he started the fight. And the results should be a lesson for all people – black, white and “white Hispanic:

  • Guest

    Holder belongs in prison.

    • liberalssuck

      As does the President, Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson and a whole slew of other liberals.

  • CDUB

    Oh simple, Fast and Furious and Benghazi,,,,,,,,,, You retreated Holder. from the facts/truth.

    This lil’ lady will not retreat when threatened.

  • MrApple

    How does one “retreat” while laying with your back to the ground with someone straddling you while at the same time raining down blows MMA style and smashing your head into the sidewalk? How does that work?

  • stuckinIL4now

    Just wondering, and could somebody ask Holdover, where would we be today if some colonists back in April 1775 had retreated from the very public violence headed their way …

  • Jack Deth

    Excuse me, but wasn’t “Stand Your Ground” created, voted and passed to counter the stupidity of “Run Away!… Run Away!!!”

  • Cal

    …and yet I was always told in school to stand up to bullies.

  • SeAsia Moto

    what happened to “the best defence is a good offence” … 😮 … ? it applies especially when Holder opens his mouth

  • tops116

    Don’t ya love it when people with armed bodyguards lecture the rest of us about how to proceed in life-threatening situations?

    You know Holder really stepped in it when even the local trolls aren’t willing to step in on his behalf.

    • liberalssuck

      Good point, maybe it is time to make them gun free body guards?

  • napalm

    I thought Holder was talking about Trayvon first

  • Pushbroom

    Why are we really tolerating this shit anymore? Are we not fed up with this bullshit yet? Who will lead our country to greatness once more? Is there someone we can truly stand behind to rid ourselves of these leeches and vermin like Holder etc.? Please, I’m ready to take this country back,.

  • Michelle

    Did Trayvon Martin retreat when he felt threatened? He might still be alive today if he’d only retreated instead of trying to be a bad ass and attack the “creepy ass cracka”

    • liberalssuck

      Dang, there yea go with facts and critical thinking. You might and I hope give a liberal a brain aneurism by doing that…

      • Michelle

        They don’t even listen to the crap they say, do they? There Holder is speaking all high and mighty about “duty to retreat” if you feel threatened – the only one who felt “threatened” was Trayvon and he wanted to play bad ass. Zimmerman never felt “threatened” until he was on the ground with his head being bashed and his nose broken – when did he have time to retreat?

        • liberalssuck

          you are correct. Also Mr. Martin had over 4 minutes to ran off. he chose to confront GZ. This is tragic but Mr. Martin made his decision and it cost him his life. it seems they can not accept responsibility for one’s own actions.

  • Mary Ann Miller

    Duty to retreat! Isn’t that the French response to confrontation? Certainly not the American way!

  • right_on

    Duty to retreat? Right…because in the face of aggression, that is exactly what’s been proven time and again to work to de-escalate violence…

    Holder’s suggestion will do nothing except to get innocent people killed by the very people from whom they are retreating. A victim’s fear, or submission fuels aggression, A simple review of why bullying happens might be helpful for Holder.

    • J.N. Ashby

      Exactly! When you’re being raped the solution is to take one for the team! Wouldn’t want to hurt the poor gentleman.

  • J.N. Ashby

    So what if you’re house is invaded and you have a gun so that you may protect your property, or say you have two, one on you and one not, are you obligated to not protect your property and hide in the closet while they steal your stuff and your gun? Seems silly when you speak a logical absurdity like that…

  • Rusty Shackleford

    Do his Secret Service agents protecting him have that same duty to retreat? Please have someone (Ted Cruz? Rand?) ask him this under oath.

    • Truth

      Same as Mayor Bloomberg demonstrated not too long ago that while he wants us to give up OUR guns, he’s surrounded by six armed goons wherever he goes. Typical liberal hypocrites.

  • liberalssuck

    It is time to question why he has not been arrested and jailed?

  • Frustrated Teacher

    Oh…I get so mad (white rage, I know) when they say that we must retreat! This just gives law abiding people less rights and criminals MORE rights. Considering that Holder is a criminal (fast and furious anyone?) I guess he WOULD want more rights than the rest of us. Leaving the law-abiding defenseless seems to be a VERY high priority amongst O and his groupies. Insanity!

  • Truth

    Yes, they should retreat. If Trayvon Martin had taken off instead of waiting in ambush to attack his follower, he’d be alive today. You see, Mr. Holder, it works both ways.

  • metalxx

    Folks this was a well orchestrated plan, together with the DOJ and the NAACP, and the media. They liberals don’t care about black people they are just using them, I hope they realize that

    • Truth

      Divide and conquer.

      If they realized that they were being used, it wouldn’t matter. After all, they still voted for Obozo because he is black, not because he helped decrease their unemployment, or improved the economy, or got gas prices under control, or… I could go on and on.

  • Bill Board

    Just because Holder is a spineless, gutless coward, doesn’t mean we all have to be.

  • Truth

    Yes, retreat and give the perp an opportunity to mug someone else later on. Or, stop him now and put an end to his aggression. I guess Holder believes in giving thugs multiple chances to ply their “trades”.

  • Trish Foster

    Wake me up when it is time to vote in 2016.. Oh, I am awake and this is not a dream. I am living in America, where my forefathers stood their ground for our freedom of today…. I was hoping it was a bad dream in which the present administration was shredding the constitution and making up laws as they go.. Reminds me of totally unorganized company I worked for that went down the tubes due to new daily rules.

    Like I said, I have had enough and I am going to sleep until this is over… I am starting to believe that congress is has a court jester in obama and his cabinet. They are too busy laughing till their sides hurt to even think about booting the show!

  • Truth

    Does this buffoon realize that running out the back door while your house is being ransacked just encourages more of the same? Putting a slug in someone perpetrating a crime against you is a much better deterrent than running away leaving him to take whatever he wants. A man’s home is his castle and he has the God given right to defend it. Standing your ground makes it less likely a criminal will attack you again. Running away makes it more likely that he will. After all, what’s there for him to lose if everyone is required to flee? Holder’s idea will increase criminal activity by rewarding the criminal while punishing the victim. I guess he feels that it will be better if we all fear the criminals while giving them more sense of security. Kick this moron and his corrupt, partisan boss out of office NOW. It’s already becoming too late with the damage that they are incurring on our society.

  • Michelle

    When can we expect Holder to speak at a Tea Party convention? I am so fkn sick and tired of this one-sided, racist administration. Is it January 2017 yet?

    • Truth

      And please, Dear God, eight years of this bizarro insanity is enough! Please do not punish us any further by allowing the other criminal, Hillary, to become our next president. We will only sink further into darkness. We know you are angry with us over allowing abortion, among our many other progressive sins, but please spare us from a wrath such as this. Please let our elections return reasonable, good, God fearing people to office and we promise we will serve You better going forward. Amen.

      • Michelle

        I think you and I have a different concept of God, but thanks for your words.

  • effinayright

    Excuse me, Mr. Holder, but….how do I retreat from a bullet???

  • Guest

    Notice how the left is all about rights when it comes to the entitlement culture, but as regards the most commonsensical right – the right for self-defense – suddenly they want us to not act with our basic instinct when attacked, but rather enforce a duty upon us to stop and think of retreating before hitting back. It’s all about turning us into a bunch of subservient docile p*ssies.

  • cattnipp

    all these folks that say there should be no duty to retreat are the same folks that say Martin was killed because he did not run home and hide………..WTF?

    • mapache

      Martin should not have to run home and hide, but the evidence would seem to indicate that Martin made a conscious decision to attack George Zimmerman and give him a beat down.

    • alanstorm

      No, Martin was killed because he attacked an armed man instead of leaving the area. The “duty to retreat” would only apply to the victim.

      Don’t try to think about it. Your comments indicate you won’t be successful.

      • Jim Denney

        “Don’t try to think about it. Your comments indicate you won’t be successful.”

  • Mike

    Holder said we had a “duty” to retreat even from our homes: “people who feel threatened have a duty to retreat, outside their home, if they can do so safely.”

    Some of us believe a man’s home is his castle. Holder believes it is the starting block for cowards to run from when threatened. Nation of cowards, indeed!

  • feduppianoman

    obviously it is common sense that stand your ground had nothing to do with the Zimmerman case. Neither common sense nor rational thought has ever factored into the leftist agenda. Apparently any absurdity will suffice when you need to impose your will on the people.

  • mapache

    So let me get this right, any gang-banger or thug is free to confront me, threaten me and my family, demand property that does not belong to them and I must retreat. I don’t think so.

  • Anton Dantes

    Lois Lerner took his advice and retreated when she felt threatened

  • dogwonder

    Nice advice, I’m sure women being raped and beaten will feel secure knowing you think they should run when they’re on the ground being beaten to a pulp you jack-arsefool.

  • Vonda Rochelle

    And yet we protect him and other officials with armed security. What a flipping joke! Fire all the secret service and then come back to the table with your opinion on self defense and your attitude about standing your ground Mr. Joker. At this point you are clueless.

  • Truth

    Here is Eric Holder, typical “black leader”. He trumpets the evils of self defenders using firearms while completely avoiding the real gun violence issue: his urban “brothers” who act like they live in the wild, Wild West. It’s the old smoke and mirrors trick.

  • Tomrad

    This man (and I use the term loosely) is a disgrace! I will not run like the coward that Holder wants us all to be. When the criminals come they take the chance that they will end up dead for their actions! That’s the way it SHOULD work Mr. Holdier than thou!

  • paevo

    Feral blacks now rule the streets! MLK’s dream has become reality!…

  • Madman6er

    In other words, he’s saying that if Martin truly was afraid that Zimmerman was a rapist, that Martin should have retreated?

  • rufus

    The headlines could be: “AG Holder blames T.Martin for his own death by not retreating when he felt threatened by Zimmerman.”

  • Sonya A. Willis

    Duty To Retreat sounds like a liberal FPS game.

  • Dane Gunderson

    Holder sez ‘Stand Your Ground’ laws are a threat to black Americans… why would that be? Why does Eric Holder think only black Americans are at risk? Does Eric Holder think black Americans have a right to assault and murder?

    • robcrawford2

      Because he knows his audience. Because he knows his audience. Because he knows they’re violent.

      • ked5

        this isn’t about his audience – so much as they are tools who can be stirred up. this is about gun control and the deepest desires of bobo’s admin. controlling an unarmed populace is much easier.

    • TDS

      The only people that SYG laws are a threat to are those who are the aggressors.
      SYG simply allows you to respond to an attacker with equal force.

      So why do you think that a law allowing that is such a threat to black Americans?

  • Mykal Faircloth

    Holder talking about what an American’s duty is, that’s hilarious and kind of sad. So was he doing his duty when he gave Mexican drug cartels weapons or when he dropped the charges of voter intimidation against the New Black Panthers?

  • Al Simmons

    SILLY People …..they want us to GIVE them our guns…tell them our neighbors are smoking a joint, while making sure “junior” is dosed up good with the newest mood numbing drug and feeding us poison and STEALING EVERY last dollar we have…..

  • Slugglife

    Thank God the genius that is Piers morgan weighed in. I thought we’d go a whole thread without him but ……

  • Slugglife

    I agree. Martin should have retreated to the house and not confronted someone he didnt know.

  • Peyton

    So a duty to retreat doesn’t apply to Trayvon?

  • James Atkins

    Silver lining…we can all go beat the crap out of liberals safely and without fear of persecution!

  • sigh

    Holder is the scum of the earth

  • ursa5000

    V.I. Lenin- “Probe with a bayonet: if you meet steel, stop. If you meet mush, then push.”

    The street thugs, such as Holder, know that fear is a useful tool in “adjusting” the population to their will. If your afraid to dedend yourself -they win, freedom loses. Marxist doctrine includes this key element; that everyone is a helpless victim, and only the benevolent hand of the State can protect you.

    Did you purchase a thousand rounds of ammo this month? Did you go to shooting range this month? How are you coming on your long -term food storage plans? What’s your plan when electiricty is rationed and gas is sold only to the politically reliable government бюрократ (apparatchik)?

  • Jim Denney

    Bumper sticker seen on the door of the “Civil Rights” Division at the Department of JustUs; “If you not black, you better jump back.”

  • DutyFirst

    Seriously, when are these people going to be challenged on what they say –
    “By allowing and perhaps encouraging violent situations to escalate in public, such laws undermine public safety. The list of resulting tragedies is long, and unfortunately has victimized too many who are innocent.”
    Don’t know about anyone else here but I am not seeing/have not seen daily/weekly news reporting on incidents where ‘innocents’ have been victimized by people mistakenly standing their ground and protecting themselves with deadly force. Where is the ‘long list’, where are the details and where are the ‘innocent’ victims.
    I do know that there is only very occasional reporting on incidents where deadly force and weapons have been used by everyday responsible citizens to protect themselves and others from violent attacks by criminals.
    Anyone care to wager that the DOJ investigation will take until around about June/July 2014 and the final report will get massive airtime, will be a complete rehash of the myths of the Martin/Zimmerman case, just to refresh everyone’s anger and will have a one sentence finding buried right at the end to the effect that nothing was found. Get Out The Vote – anyone?

  • TDS

    Here is my problem:

    The only people that SYG laws are a threat to are those who are the aggressors.
    SYG simply allows you to respond to an attacker with equal force.

    So why do you think that a law allowing that is such a threat to black Americans?

  • DeadBuffalo Blog

    Soooo… If the Klan is chasing down a black grandmother with ropes and whips, she has a duty to retreat and not pull out the .38 in her purse? Thanx for the clarification (DICK) Holder.

  • GulfPundit

    You creepy ass crackas have a duty to retreat from a polling place when armed Black Panthers are standing in front of it.

  • taosnow

    This explains Obama’s Foreign policy…Retreat !!!!

  • twolaneflash

    The only duty to retreat is to bring our military home from Afghanistan, the Middle East, Africa, Europe, Asia, and let those places deal with their own problems a while. This structured defeat and surrender of the American military by the Obama regime is getting Americans killed for neither good purpose nor victory.

  • twolaneflash

    Duty to retreat? Is that why we can’t protect our borders?

  • twolaneflash

    Duty to retreat? Is that why white people can’t vote when the New Black Panthers are blocking the door to the voting booth with weapons?

  • twolaneflash

    Duty to retreat? Is that the new law of survival when The Government ruins your neighborhood with Section 8 housing, like the black woman testified in the George Zimmerman trial?

  • Brian S.

    This is almost as Stupid as the guy in Colorado telling women they must piss themselves to for personal protection rather than defending themselves with their 2nd Amendment Right. Holder you already blew your wad with the IRS bullcrap Sit down and Shut Up..

    @Piersmorgan I don’t see where you even have a stake in this? All I have herd out of you since you got here is how much you hate it here and how [email protected] up we all are compared to your homeland… Despite the promise that you broke saying you would leave here if the gun laws didn’t pass the way you wished… You are still here. If you don’t like it here then [email protected] leave. It’s that simple. You can’t make it London here, We have weapons unlike your homeland that got rid of them years ago. we (The American People) will never allow that to happen here.

    • ked5

      I’ve read many comments from brits who don’t like him either.

  • Ed Hamilton

    I guess to many thugs are getting blown away so he wants to even the odds for the thugs.
    Holder should have a duty to STFU.

  • ked5

    spoken like a true bully. bullies love people who retreat when threatened.

  • © Sponge

    So, you’re saying that Trayvon shouldn’t have RETURNED TO CONFRONT Zimmerman?


    Such a racist asshole, our AG.

  • Michael Weiler

    Only deadly to the one threatening me. If I retreat it is deadly to Me! Sorry Holder I’m Looking out for me, and my family!!! Attack me and you will be met with deadly force!!!!!

  • Yeah I Said It

    Why didn’t angelic little VonTray retreat and run home to his daddy??? He was just a little innocent kid after all. How did this little tiny boy child have the courage to attack an adult?

    *That was sarcasm btw. I laid it on pretty thick but there are still some who might not get it.

  • Matt Hughes

    So he now took my right to defend myself away… He didn’t even have to go after my guns this time!! What will this man think of next!? Revolution anyone?

  • huecityvet1968

    “Duty” what does Holder know about “duty”, nothing.

  • Ralph J. Sheeks

    So get rid of the secret service and just tell Obama he has to retreat if he gets threatened in public.

  • smcguirl

    yup, two steps back as I’m clearing leather, Of course Holder runs, that’s what his bodyguards tell him to do as they are emptying their glocks.

  • dockilldare

    stand your ground states I don’t have to retreat when attacked in public or in my home. now I want to know what any free thinking person would have a problem with that? I should have to retreat from my home, leave my 17 year old niece and 12 your old nephew to fend for themselves? I have to run away when i’m out and someone attacks me and leave my better half to fend for herself? what kind of man does holder and his supporters think I am a coward? what kind of man says the defender of the home should run away? what kind of men do they want in America? what kind of man is holder and his supporters? and people still listen to this kind of garbage and think its a good idea, no wonder our civilization is decaying.

  • dockilldare

    one other thing as crazy as this sounds there are states that have laws that require you to prove you did not have a “reasonable means of escape” prior to using any kind of force, even if your loved ones are being attacked in your home….yes that’s right let me throw out a bone to Massachusetts, for that law.

  • stdog

    Mr martin didn’t retreat. I read he was 70 yrds from home. 7 seconds would have saved his life. His friend even told him to run. Sadly it sounds more like he tried to commit a hate crime and beat up a man he believed was gay.

    • powertee

      Don’t believe the “gay” crap being spouted by Jeantel now…that is merely intended to bolster the TM-was-afraid-of-leading-molester-home narrative. BTW, it was more like 370-400 feet from the T in the sidewalk to where he was stayin.’

  • Jim Henry

    Thank you for the advice, General Holder. I will certainly consider that, in the event I am attacked by a Flash Mob, I will retreat.

  • Sinjun

    so Eric Holder who is defended by people who hold the ground while he can retreat says everyone else should just retreat because of they defend themselves he’s going to do his best to send the DOJ after them.

  • Larry A Singleton

    “…. and sow dangerous conflict in our neighborhoods.”
    You mean these kinds of conflicts:

    The Rape, Torture and Murder Of Christopher Newsom and Channon Christian by Robert J. Avrech | April 3, 2012

    Young (white) mother,(Jacqueline Gardner) killed for $85, one of three (black) killers still on the loose. No media?

    Also Google “black mob violence”. And has anybody here read about the four black guys who kidnapped, tortured, raped and murdered a college couple? Yeah, BOTH of them!

    The pResident elected himself Chief Prosecutor of the Land.
    I’m really getting to f-ing hate Disquis. When I post something it packs all the goddamned paragraphs together so I have to edit the f-ing thing. The whole net, especially Yahoo. is going completely to shit.

  • DLRisVH

    Tell me how was Zimmerman supposed to retreat when his head was being bashed onto the concrete?
    It sounds like holder is giving his people the OK to attack decent law abiding citizens and taking away the right of those law abiding citizens to defend themselves.
    We should not have to retreat from anyone whom is out and about in our neighborhoods peeking in windows, walking through our yards, and hopping fences to enter our gated complexes or private property. What the hell is going on here, we no longer have rights?

    • czynik

      Very true
      “It sounds like holder is giving his people the OK to attack decent law
      abiding citizens and taking away the right of those law abiding citizens
      to defend themselves.”

      There can be no doubt any more this is what it is all about.

  • czynik

    I would agree with the statement as written – if it is possible to retreat then do so. But what Holder is really saying and won’t put into print is that he thinks if a white person is being attacked by a black mob that they should have no right to self defense other than to run away which never works when you have 4 or 5 blacks beating on you after you are on the ground. He, like all the rest of the race haters in the black political community are not willing to admit that it is blacks, not whites, that are responsible for most of the interracial violence to the tune of 85%.

    Holder and his black mafia are just attempting to deny whites the right of self defense even if it requires deadly force when one is in danger of being killed which has happened.

  • Allan Hamilton

    Isn’t this the whole liberal agenda in a nutshell? Dissenting opinion and the dissenter’s motives are twisted and mocked to the point that they just give up their voice and go away. He’s simply reading from tomorrows to-do list.

  • $46673826

    Retreat from my middle finger Holder and all those who agree with this asinine statement of his. You wonder if he is being serious and the scary part-he is!

  • CJ

    He is right in one sense…dumbass Trayvon should have retreated instead of starting a fight against an armed man. But Ol President Obama’s son likes to fight, call himself a nigga, white people crackers and get high. Seems like he should have retreated dontcha think?

  • swen13

    Police, FBI, ATF and Secret Service you go first. You retreat when faced with a threat to your life, you back down, you run away when being pounded first. SWAT Teams if the bad guy threatens you go home, Holder order your security to run away when threatened then tell me how that works .Let’s see how it works for you first before you try to destroy the right to bear arms . You go first.

  • dreamkitten61

    So why didn’t Trayvon retreat if he felt threatened by Zimmerman? Why did he circle back around and attack Zimmerman?

    • BeeKaaay

      Oh snap! You just used facts, which would work against normal people with intelligence, conscience and brains. Facts are irrelevant to leftwingwackos.
      They only use emotions, not brains, intelligence, or conscience.

  • mike_in_kosovo

    Appeasement *never* works in the long run.

    A.D. 980-1016

    IT IS always a temptation to an armed and agile nation
    To call upon a neighbour and to say: –
    “We invaded you last night – we are quite prepared to fight,
    Unless you pay us cash to go away.”

    And that is called asking for Dane-geld,
    And the people who ask it explain
    That you’ve only to pay ’em the Dane-geld
    And then you’ll get rid of the Dane!

    It is always a temptation for a rich and lazy nation,
    To puff and look important and to say: –
    “Though we know we should defeat you,
    we have not the time to meet you.
    We will therefore pay you cash to go away.”

    And that is called paying the Dane-geld;
    But we’ve proved it again and again,
    That if once you have paid him the Dane-geld
    You never get rid of the Dane.

    It is wrong to put temptation in the path of any nation,
    For fear they should succumb and go astray;
    So when you are requested to pay up or be molested,
    You will find it better policy to say: —

    “We never pay any-one Dane-geld,
    No matter how trifling the cost;
    For the end of that game is oppression and shame,
    And the nation that plays it is lost!”

    – Rudyard Kipling

  • Guest

    People have already done the “RETREAT” thing & are emptying out of the horrid Cities. Past that, better get ready to RUMBLE.

  • BeeKaaay

    Mister EricKKK Holder, you feel threatened by people who have a different opinion. Please retreat out of the country immediately, and don’t return. It is your duty, as you say.

  • Walt Moser Sr.

    I guess I’m gonna be spending some time in prison if God ever decides he doesn’t like stupid people and allows one to threaten me- That is if this idiot gets his way. Rest assured; if I’m threatened someone is going to die and some one else will be using an ambulance.- we will just have to see who falls into which area when the event occurs.


    I have 6 people living in my house, including a 5 year old. I’ll be damned if I retreat while some asshole is still in my house with my family.

    No retreat, No surrender

  • Tomrad

    Why is it that when O.J. Simpson was found not guilty there were no protests (riots)? People were outraged, mainly whites at the verdict. Someone please tell me what the reasons are that blacks always turn to violence when something they don’t like happens. I feel if they acted more civilized they would be taken more serious.

  • Patrick Waters

    Fantastic advice from this group of snobs. Shoot a shotgun into the air or run away and hide, and end up getting your face smashed anyway. Way to go guys, your one short of the three stooges.

  • j Ray

    In Florida, blacks successfully use “stand your ground” twice as often as whites and Hispanics in comparison to their population. SO Holder wants to hurt his own “people,”

  • rickg62

    It’s really hard to retreat after you’ve been knocked on your back and someone is on you and beating your head into the ground.

  • Cybrludite

    As it happens, most of the ladies I’m likely to be out & about with have health issues which make having to retreat impossible. What am I supposed to do if attacked while out with one of them? Sling my girlfriend or one of my buddies over my shoulder & leg it? Or if out with more than one, pick one to run with to safety & let the Devil take the hindmost?

  • whs2104

    This idiocy reminds me of a few years ago when Army lawyers were advising our troops in combat in Iraq and Afghanistan to always pause and reflect before pulling a trigger.

  • Ummah Gummah


    How are you supposed to retreat when someone is on top of you, pounding your head into the pavement?

    WHERE exactly are you supposed to go?


  • Ummah Gummah


    How are you supposed to retreat when someone is on top of you, pounding your head into the pavement?

    WHERE exactly are you supposed to go?