Heh. Conservatives are givers! So, they decided to relay some lessons to the math is hard crowd. Of course, this required attempting to put things in very simple terms. Remember, these are people who don’t understand the simple fact that elections have consequences. All those businesses now struggling, or sadly closing up shop, due to Obama’s re-election? It’s their fault: They are totally un-American. And racist and stuff!

Happy warriors attempt to explain reality to them, in simple, easy to undersand terms.

https://twitter.com/LA_WriterChick/status/267885845711826944

https://twitter.com/CandiLissa/status/267869242072899585

Bingo!

https://twitter.com/lanoleach/status/267864992177586177

Yes. Perhaps they should watch Steven Crowder’s hilarious video on this very topic?

The lessons continue.

https://twitter.com/nicoleb977/status/268046493787770880

https://twitter.com/CandiLissa/status/267872473977077760

https://twitter.com/Raised__Right/status/267884465710305280

https://twitter.com/CandiLissa/status/267891830316740608

https://twitter.com/Bidenshairplugs/status/267898727765774337

https://twitter.com/JMuhmmed/status/267903184901660672

Keep the much-needed lessons coming, happy warriors!

 

  • Liberal Hater

    Dumb it down for libs: I no work for you. Get job.

    • Liberal Hater

      I hope the four letter word of all four letter words to a lib – WORK – wasn’t too above their heads.

      • TexSizzle

        Or, in the case of Joe Biden, the three-letter word.

  • Streetiebird

    Dumb it down for Conservatives: Americans want a more Liberal system where millionaire’s taxes are raised instead of lowered. And we want an America where we take the healthcare of our fellow Americans seriously. Liberals are now the party of fiscal responsibility and Conservatives are the party of handouts to the rich.

    • Leslie Ann Brown

      Go see how “seriously” they take healthcare in Canada. That’s why Canadians come here instead of waiting ridiculously long for procedures in their country.

      • conservativechick

        I know MANY doctors who tell me ‘cash only’ patients is the way to go under Obamacare. Four year wait in Canada for primary care physician! Those evil rich win again! Oh, the irony.

        • Elilla Shadowheart

          Must be Alberta. It’s only 6mo to two years in Ontario and Quebec, though in Alberta that’s understandable since they’ve had a massive population explosion in the last two years as people have flooded there from the rest of the country overloading their healthcare system.

          In fact wait times for everything in Ontario have dropped through the floor.

      • Lord Foggybottom

        That’s why Canadian’s “came” here. They’ll most likely be staying put from now on.

      • Streetiebird

        Canadians are more patriotic I guess… Waiting is better than never receiving care in the first place. And I quote: “A peer-reviewed comparison study of health care access in the two countries published in 2006 concluded that U.S. residents are one third less likely to have a regular medical doctor, one fourth more likely to have unmet health care needs, and are more than twice as likely to forgo needed medicines.”

        • Maria Seeger

          Speaking of Canadians, even though I don’t know what Celine Dion Angelil’s political persuaion is, she and her husband *are* Canadian citizens as far as I know. How then, is it that all 3 of her boys (RC and twins Nelson and Eddy) were born in the USA? In Florida if I’m not mistaken.
          Wasn’t the Canadian healthcare system good enough for them? Why did they come *here* for IVF treatments? Just wondering since Canada has such a fantastic healthcare system, so much better than ours.

          • Streetiebird

            lol okay, because a rich person flew here for exotic IVF treatments it means our whole system is better? Do you know how much we spend per capita on medical compared to other countries? Do you know how many people in the US do not get the basic medical care they should because of cost?

          • Liberal Hater

            Do you know what a fucking dumbfuck you are?

          • http://pennyrobinsonfanclub.net/ PennyRobinsonFanClub

            Careful,bobbybstrd, he might figure out that your real name is Bobby and start calling you by it, oooohhhhhhhhhhh!

          • SpinMeNot

            You’ve been hanging around too many libs – you seem to be ignoring the obvious here … she isn’t that bright. 😉

          • Streetiebird

            Another compassionate Conservative.

          • AMERICAN Kafir™(KAdams)

            I’d rather be a compassionate conservative than a stupid liberal. Your case in point.

          • Maria Seeger

            So, once again you either deliberately misunderstand the point I was making, or you conveniently ignore it because it doesn’t suit your narrative.
            Your answer should have been: “Obviously because they didn’t want to wait to for the Canadian health care system to approve their procedure.”
            And that still doesn’t explain why they didn’t just have the procedures done *in Canada*. You said it yourself…they’re rich, they could well afford to have the procedure done in Toronto or Montreal. Cost doesn’t really matter when you have the money to afford the best, and the average citizen doesn’t. One would think the Angelils would have had their medical procedures done in their home country rather than coming here. You’re irrelevant, and you know it.

          • Streetiebird

            They were rich and didn’t want to wait, right, I’m not disagreeing. I’m just highlighting that it’s not the wait time that worries me, if I need a hip replaced I will have to wait a few weeks, which will suck, but to me that’s FAR better than just letting your fellow Americans die of easily treatable problems because they’re afraid of a bill even though we spend more than twice as much per capita on health care in the US. It’s a crisis of epic proportions, but the right would like to pretend our system is the best on earth and there’s nothing wrong.

          • Maria Seeger

            I find it hard to take you seriously when you insist on playing the guilt card, just like your President. I honestly don’t care what you think about me. Thousands of people dying in the streets because of no Obamacare. Oh, that’s funny….like the poor already don’t have free clinics. I’ve been poor and I’ve never been without medical care even for an easily treatable problem. But that’s because I took advantage of free clinics if one was available to me.

            The healtcare system needs improvement. But it also needed a thoughtful discussion between Democrats and Repbulicans and a dialog between the government and its citizens in order to find a solution that we could all live with. But no, you Democrats think that you’re superior to us mere peasants and in your arrogance you decided to cram this piece of crap that nobody knew what was in before it was pass…and then expected us to roll over and yield to your superior wisdom….and then you have the gall to pout because small business owners and their larger brethren are reacting to Obamacare in a less than favorable ways….because if they go along with it and pay the extorionate fees, they’ll be out of business by 2013. Yes, we should *all* be willing to sacrifice for our fellow Americans. It’s the liberal thing to do, even if it means companies go belly up in the end, and your fellow Americans are uninsured or have to go to the single payer system…which they won’t be able to afford beacause they won’t have the money to pay for it.

          • Streetiebird

            Wow, you really were tuned out during the whole healthcare discussion weren’t you? Obamacare includes MANY ideas from Republicans and LEFT OUT many Liberal ideas such as the public option that had broad support. So I find it hard to take you seriously since you’ve bought into the rightwing media’s lies so deeply that you think Obamacare was shoved down your throat without anything bipartisan in it. I guess you’d rather us tax-payers keep paying for the poor in clinics and emergency rooms at a premium cost, maybe that’s why we pay more for care than any other country per capita and still have a massive problem.

          • Maria Seeger

            The Democratic Senate crammed the vote down our throats, honey. And we, the average citizen, had no say in it. Not even so much as a referendum. Don’t try that crap on me….I don’t give a flip about whose ideas got left out and whose got included. Bottom line, *I* never got to see it. There was no transperancy. None whatsoever. I said before that Americans in general realize that the system needs tweaking. But this business of “We have to pass it before we can know what’s in it”. is for the birds. As usual, you liberals in your arrogance assume that the average American is incapable not only of understanding the issues, but that you have the answers and we should go along with you without question.

            So, oh yeah, people are gonna die from easily treated diseases because small business owners would rather close shop now rather than hang on and close shop weeks and months from now because they’re completely broke and have no money to pay for their employee’s insurance. And of course, you’ll probably blame the Repbulicans for the fact that the business went broke trying to keep their employees on Obamacare.

          • https://twitter.com/davidjkramer DavidKramer

            See. they are already trying to blame the Republicans for ObamaTaxKillJobsCare. NOT ONE VOTE! NOT ONE VOTE! Tell me again how it is a bipartisan bill you lying sack of…………..

          • Streetiebird

            I said it included MANY ideas from Republicans, do you dispute that fact?

          • https://twitter.com/davidjkramer DavidKramer

            Lie, obfuscate, twist. People that have a pathological need to harass others, to lie continuously in a vain attempt to convince others of the validity of their ideology are 99.95% likely to be suffering from some form of sociopathy. I suggest you avail yourself of some ObamaTaxJobKillCare pretty soon before it completely wipes out the economy. They might run out of thorazine or lithium.

          • AMERICAN Kafir™(KAdams)

            I’d like to redirect you to Maria’s reply. “The Democratic Senate crammed the vote down our throats, honey. And we, the average citizen, had no say in it. Not even so much as a referendum. Don’t try that crap on me….I don’t give a flip about whose ideas got left out and whose got included. Bottom line, *I* never got to see it. There was no transperancy. None whatsoever. I said before that Americans in general realize that the system needs tweaking. But this business of “We have to pass it before we can know what’s in it”. is for the birds.”

          • TexSizzle

            Yes, we dispute that “fact”. They excluded the Republicans from having any input, so although there may have been something in the law that some Republicans agree with, it is not because they contributed anything to it.

          • Streetiebird

            Then why do we not have a public option? Obama has been far too moderate.

          • Penmar

            What debate, you mean Nancy Pelosi and her you have to pass it to find out what’s in it debate?

          • https://twitter.com/AlessaRosewater Maria

            You’re right. I have been uninsured for 5 years now, but all my medical needs have been met when I needed them met. I’ve never been to a free clinic, but the hospital I was brought to broke the part of the bill I had to pay, that they didn’t absorb, into small easily affordable chunks. Medicine costs are reduced for people who don’t have insurance. Doctor’s visits are reduced by a good % for those without insurance..etc. Who needs Obamacare? I don’t.

          • GTFOBigGovt

            Yeah you can call the mortgage meltdown a crisis of epic proportions, too. In BOTH cases they were SELF INFLICTED by ignorant, irresponsible people. #caring

          • JeannieJ

            Okay…I just cannot sit here and read this without chiming in on this one. My husband and I are two of the “fellow Americans” who have no health insurance. He’s just been approved for disability for Parkinson’s Disease…which he’s had for roughly 7 years now. Up till now, he’s worked even though he could have qualified for disability. But up till April of this year, he *wasn’t* disabled. He simply had Parkinson’s. I run a small, home-based business…no other employees, just me. We can’t afford insurance because of pre-existing conditions, but that’s okay…we CAN afford to pay our own way, and there’s no way on God’s green Earth we’d ask someone ELSE to pay for us!

            Can you get it through your liberal head that not everyone *wants* someone else paying their way? Some of us actually LIKE being self-sufficient? We’ve dealt with the associated health issues that go with Parkinson’s…the skin cancer, the medications, the physical therapy. None cheap, all paid by cash. He has great doctors who give discounts for cash customers, and who’ve even set up payment plans for the larger surgical costs.

            Conversely, I have seen welfare patients come in to see the dermatologist for pimples…covered by Medicaid. Pimples. The problem is not just rising health care costs, and who pays what, but also conscientious consumption of resources. You’ll never see that from those who have absolutely no concept of the worth of a dollar.

            For those who do not earn, who do not contribute, there’s no ability to understand when they must not spend. We do every welfare client a huge disservice by continuing this blindness by allowing them to continue on without challenge. Entitlements are a death sentence for the soul. Don’t believe me? Talk to a welfare recipient…one of the lifers, not someone forced onto the rolls by Obama and the socialist agenda.

            Bottom line, let me dumb it down for you, liberal…quit trying to pretend you speak for others…especially me. You’re simply not qualified.

          • Streetiebird

            So you wanted insurance and couldn’t get it… sounds like you need Obamacare! Having insurance isn’t asking for someone else to pay for you, it’s essentially pooling resources to help soften the blow across a wider group of people, nothing wrong with that is there? I understand that not everyone wants to buy insurance, but I strongly feel that we need to fix our criminally broken healthcare system by making sure everyone is insured. It’s the responsible thing to do, and will likely lower costs in the long run.

          • JeannieJ

            OMG you absolute ignorant twat. You are simply a lying, obfuscating piece of liberal shit and there’s no speaking to you. None. May you get threefold back what you’re putting out…and if you do? Wear a helmet. And don’t ask me or mine to pay for your recovery.

          • Streetiebird

            Thanks for the kind words.

          • JeannieJ

            Okay, so I blew my temper with that streetwalker bird thing…let me make it clear so there’s no other assumption…paying our way is fiscally more feasible for us than paying insurance and the copayments. I do NOT want Obamacare…and will go to jail if I must, to avoid it. I won’t pay. Will not.

        • SpinMeNot

          You almost had a point that could be debated there Streetie. I know you are sensitive, I promise to be as nice as I can.

          No Canadians are not more, or for that matter less patriotic, than Americans, or any other nationality of people.

          Please explain to us how being willing to wait, when waiting can kill you in some cases … is patriotic? Seriously … justify that.

          Melanoma? yeah, lets wait for that. I drove my wife some 300 miles to see the best possible doctor our area (a guy at UAMS in Little Rock). We got there for the appointment, he looked at the spot and removed a big piece of the sole of her foot the next day. It was a melanoma. They got it early, clear margins, no chemo, no radiation, no nothing. We went up a few times more for followup. That was 10 years ago. We’ve lost a few friends since then, because they waited. Those that got the big-C, knew something was wrong, and took care of, most of those folks are still with us.

          A few weeks weeks wait would have meant chemo, radiation, rinse repeat. I’m not paying for government waste. And bless your heart, I am actually against Obamacare because its already creating financial hardships for folks that never had a problem with paying for their own health insurance before.

          Waiting is not a good thing. Early diagnosis and early treatment.

          If the right to trial by jury and appeal is important to ensure that the innocent are not wrongly convicted, how can ensuring that a person goes through as little discomfort as possible, and perhaps even lives when they would have died be any less.

          Don’t you people think these things through, Wait, sorry, I know the answer to that. Idiot.

          • Streetiebird

            Not talking to you, you asked me not to.

          • SpinMeNot

            Streetie, you have no idea how much you just impressed me; although I don’t recall asking that. You stood up for yourself. You’ve just taken your first steps to thinking for yourself.

            Well done.

          • https://twitter.com/AlessaRosewater Maria

            Guess streetie couldn’t refute your logic with pointless rhetoric like he or she does with everyone else, SpinMeNot. Well done my friend.

          • SpinMeNot

            Thank you Ms. Sunderland, kind words. We fight together, we win together — first and foremost, for those that came before us, and those that shall come after.

          • https://twitter.com/AlessaRosewater Maria

            Exactly!

      • Elilla Shadowheart

        I suppose that depends, considering the number of americans we deal with running north into Canada and trying to get free healthcare here in Canada illegally. Huge problem here actually, crossing into the US is an alternative if your supplemental insurance will cover it. Although not a lot of people have that.

        In fact, someone running to the US for treatment is going to end up paying for their own treatment out of pocket otherwise.

        Then again, this is a list for the wait times in my own province. Though they’re not accurate. My grandmother has stage 4 lung cancer(terminal), she started treatment to stop the bleeding after diagnosis after a week.

        http://www.health.gov.on.ca/en/public/programs/waittimes/

        The hospital she’s going to is Victoria(London), the wait time is normally about 14-30 days. The surgery rate for lung cancer is 36 days, the max mandated wait time allowed is 84 days.

        Remember the big thing between the US and Canada with Obamacare and the healthcare we have up here is. Healthcare is a provincial(state) responsibility, not a federal responsibility.

        • https://twitter.com/AlessaRosewater Maria

          And that is how it should be! State, not Federal!

          • Elilla Shadowheart

            I fully agree Elle. Well, it’s going to be an amazing clusterfsk like which the world has never seen.

        • 3seven77

          Elilla, I’m so sorry about your grandmother. My prayers go out for her.

          • Elilla Shadowheart

            Thanks 3seven77, I deeply appreciate it.

    • Hiraghm

      I take the healthcare of my fellow Americans seriously. I just don’t accept responsibility for it. If I gotta pay for their healthcare, I get to dictate their diet, their hobbies, who they sleep with, what brand of condom they use, where they work, how they work… how’s that suit you?

      Gimmiedat Americans want to take more money from millionaires, aka the producers of wealth. That’s called “theft”. Those millionaires already pay the lion’s share of taxes, while receiving the least benefit in return.

      It’s not fiscally responsible to continually run a debt of 1/3 of the gov’t’s income. It’s not fiscally responsible to take someone else’s money to blow on your pet projects such as boondoggle “green energy” schemes.

      I care about the healthcare of my friends and family. Everyone else can tend to their own knitting, That’s called “freedom”. I don’t get to tell you how to live, you don’t get to make me pay for your sex-change operation.

      You on the left conflate “health care” and “health insurance”. Health insurance is not healthcare. If you were seriously concerned with the health care of your fellow Americans, you’d push for tort reform, you’d advocate allowing competition across State lines for health insurance, and you’d deregulate the hell out of the industry. Bad health care is better than no health care, and it’s called freedom to let people decide if they’d rather save money and go to a less reputable doctor/hospital.

      • Streetiebird

        Got it, you don’t care if your fellow Americans live or die, just so long as you aren’t inconvenienced. Thought so.

        • Liberal Hater

          The inability to have proper health care for my family or to provide for my own family to support lazy motherfuckers such as yourself is not an inconvenience: it’s a fucking crime fuckface.

          • Streetiebird

            On the contrary, I pay a lot in taxes to support people like yourself.

        • http://pennyrobinsonfanclub.net/ PennyRobinsonFanClub

          On the contrary, I’d dance a Scottish jig on your head if YOU dropped dead in the street.

          • Streetiebird

            I wasn’t talking to you Rob, move along.

        • https://twitter.com/AlessaRosewater Maria

          People have to look out for themselves first. One day when you get off welfare you’ll know.

        • Ironhawk86

          And what have you done to show you “care” besides voting other people’s money at the real or imagined problem…? Thought as much.

        • AMERICAN Kafir™(KAdams)

          Lol… how sanctimonious of you! As if you cared whether or not your countrymen lived or died.

    • Lord Foggybottom

      Please provide one factual example of liberal fiscal responsibility. I’m serious.

      • Streetiebird

        Liberals wanted a balanced approach to reducing the deficit. Republicans rejected the idea of raising taxes by $1 for every $10 of spending reduction. Liberals wanted to fund the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan by raising taxes, Republicans were opposed to paying for these wars. Liberals were opposed to Bush’s massive deficit-funded tax cuts for the rich, Republicans are STILL for them… Now provide me with one factual example of Conservative fiscal responsibility. I’m serious.

        • Lord Foggybottom

          You provided them in your reply, dumbass.

          • Streetiebird

            So your version of fiscal responsibility is giving tax cuts to millionaires who don’t need it and starving the federal government so they can’t pay for the wars your party started? Now you’re just proving my point :) And thanks for the name-calling, that’s more like what I’m used to around here.

        • Liberal Hater

          No you’re not serious. You’re a fucking nitwit.

          • Streetiebird

            Thanks for your kind words, I assume this means you approve of your party’s economic policy of not paying for wars or tax cuts.

          • http://IKnowBO.com/ Slam1263

            It’s all Bush’s fault.
            Fore more years.

        • NCRelite

          Raising taxes is always real, while cuts never are. Anyway, what’s wrong with citizens keeping their money, clearly they know how to spend it better than the Three Stooges, Pelosi Reid and Obama

          • https://twitter.com/AlessaRosewater Maria

            Streetie wishes everyone to be as poor as he is. It’s the Liberal mentality. Sickening.

        • https://twitter.com/AlessaRosewater Maria

          All I know is, I did pretty well money wise and all under Bush especially with the personal stimulus he gave us taxpayers, but under Obama, we’re lucky to have two dollars to rub together. I’m also sick of paying for people’s damn food stamps and welfare which has surged under Obama’s reign of terror.

          • TexSizzle

            And the start of the financial troubles was when the Democratics took over Congress in 2007.

          • https://twitter.com/AlessaRosewater Maria

            That was when I started noticing issues. But they weren’t critical until 2009.

        • TexSizzle

          Republicans rejected the idea of raising taxes now for promised cuts later. They have been promised the same thing too many times in the past, and the spending cuts *never* happen, only the tax increases. Why should they believe any such promise now?

          • Streetiebird

            They also reject the idea of cutting now and raising taxes now. Any way you slice it, they’re refusing to pay for the debt their policies have racked up. They take people off of tax rolls and then you and other rightwingers complain about the mythical 47% that your party helped create. The cognitive dissonance is staggering.

    • SineWaveII

      Scroll the Troll

    • Maria Seeger

      You’re funny. Every tiime I hear a Liberal claim that “the adults are in the White House now” and “We’re the party of fiscal responsibility” I just about fall out of my chair laughing. Keep on feeling superior, it doesn’t change the bottom line.
      Them that has the gold make the rules. The rich have the gold; and if they want to take their gold to a friendlier climate, they have every right to do so, and there’s nothing the government can do about it…yet. You trying to guilt conservatives into going along with Obamacare is a waste of time. It changes nothing. The small business owner is still going downsize, not hire any more people and reduce hours to keep from losing more money than they can afford to lose.
      It’s not a case of the rich getting their wealth by exploiting the poor and the government coming along to save them. It’s a case of the government trying to exploit the rich and using them to finance their socialistic policies. Too bad it’s not working. By the way…Obama won by a razor thin margin. That hardly qualifies his election as a mandate by the American people…not when half of them oppose it.

      • Streetiebird

        So the party of deficit-funded tax cuts for the rich is still allowed to be the party of fiscal responsibility? I don’t think so. All your guy had was more of the same. Tax cuts for the rich, deregulate something, small government. He actually stood up there and said he would further cut taxes to the tune of $5 trillion and he pinky-swore it would all be revenue neutral. Revenue neutral?!?! At a time when we need to fix the deficit? And everyone on the right just gave him a golf-clap and voted for him even though he had no plan to fix the deficit, just a plan to starve the federal government. So don’t talk to me about fiscal responsibility until your party gets their economic act back together like the Republicans of old.

        • Liberal Hater

          Do you have any concept at all that increased revenues don’t equal increased taxes? Or are you truly this fucking braindead?

          • http://pennyrobinsonfanclub.net/ PennyRobinsonFanClub

            He was away for two days. I guess he got his check and new talking points from Media Matters. Hey Shittytird, is it true Soros has cut you all back to 3 cents a word?

          • Streetiebird

            LOL right, in your world LOWER taxes means HIGHER revenue. HAHAHA!!! If that were the case the government would be swimming in money, taxes are at historic lows…

          • NCRelite

            Historic lows? We have the highest corporate tax rates in the world. You know what, just stop talking about facts and figures, because you don’t care about them in the end. You are simply rooting for team Obama, that’s it. Drop the false pretense.

          • Streetiebird

            Nice dodge :)

          • ceemack

            In the real world, lower tax RATES often mean higher tax REVENUE, and higher rates mean LOWER revenue.

            When we talk about things like income and capital gains taxes, the revenue is the total amount of economic activity, times the percentage that qualifies for the tax, times the tax rate. You can lower the rate, make the rate hit a larger percentage of the relevant economic activity, and wind up with more revenue–especially if the total amount of economic activity increases.

            In other words, lower rates with fewer deductions can mean more tax revenue–especially if the economy grows.

            Kemp-Roth drastically lowered tax rates (top rate dropped from 70% to 28%) but did away with many deductions. With attendant economic growth, tax revenue just about doubled in four years.

          • Penmar

            Only if they lowered taxes like JFK and Reagan did, they were both swimming in money and jobs. And lowest tax rates in US History were in 1913.

          • AMERICAN Kafir™(KAdams)

            You can research the CFARs. Oh, you don’t know that those are? Let me help: Comprehensive Financial Analysis Reports. Each government has one; city, state and federal.

            And yes. I know math is hard for you, but lower taxes = higher consumer confidence = more revenue for businesses = higher tax revenues to governments.

          • TexSizzle

            A case in point: In the 1980s, the Democratics in charge of the government of Texas decided that they would bring in 3 times as much revenue from vanity license plates by the simple expedient of tripling the tax. Apparently it never occurs to the wealthy Democratics that someone who is willing to pay $25 for a vanity license plate might not be willing to pay $75 for it. What was the end result in terms of revenue? If you guessed that it tripled, you’re a typical liberal. If you guessed what actually happened, that it decreased, you have a basic understanding of the law of supply and demand, and what happens when demand is highly elastic.

          • Streetiebird

            Yeah, I understand motivations and incentives, thanks for wasting your time typing this out.

        • http://twitter.com/BlissDesignz Tabitha Taylor

          5 trillion was a Biden gaffe – DUH. He was going to do exactly what Reagan did that caused an economic boom & much prosperity for the nation at large. They were great years. After creating that kind of wealth Reagan was able to raise taxes & put back into the system. You have to start somewhere you can’t squeeze blood from a turnip. You must create money to collect money that is in anyway sustainable. That’s the problem with these Marxist policies that choke growth & create economic stagnation. Once the rich run out of money the house of cards collapses. Please read a little Forbes finance. Marxism never helps the poor it just makes everyone poor.

          • Streetiebird

            LOL no, the part of Romney’s plan that he actually gave details about was: Cut taxes by 20%. If you do the math on that it creates a $5 trillion hole. He then went on to say that they’d close loopholes and exemptions so that the plan would be revenue neutral, with me? So his plan was to reduce revenue by $5 trillion but to cut spending by $5 trillion also. He just didn’t say how he would reduce spending except to say he’d defund planned parenthood and NPR, a drop in the bucket. Talk about choking growth and creating economic stagnation!

          • NCRelite

            If you spur economic growth it increase revenues. Raising taxes doesn’t necessarily increase the money the government receives. Look at it this way, if you have a garden and you tend to it every day –water it, give your plants the right nutrients, etc. etc. It will bare fruit for you.

          • Streetiebird

            Wow, you should check on the recent report the GOP squashed showing the effect of tax cuts. You might learn something :)

          • Penmar

            Wrong, he did not say cut taxes by 20 percent. He said cut tax RATES and take loopholes out for the higher income brackets. And that creates jobs which brings in more revenue and your supposed 5 trillion hole goes up in smoke when combined with reigning in spending which he also proposed. He said if it doesn’t pass this test “Is it worth borrowing money from China to pay for this entitlement?” if no it gets cut. And that he would start with NPR and Planned Parenthood, who DO NOT do mammograms as Obama claimed they did. If you are going to try and make a point, please don’t lie to us, because we are well aware of the truth and what was actually said, because most of us actually listened to the person who spoke the words and not regurgitation from the so called main stream media.

        • Maria Seeger

          Your President had a Democratically controlled Senate and House from 2008-2010, plenty of support to come up with a way to reduce the deficit *if he’d been serious about it*. It’s clear he wasn’t, since his main focus was on cramming Obamacare down our throats.
          And now I hear that the Campaigner in Chief plans to have some rallies outside of the Beltway to force Congress to do things *his* way…mob rule anyone? Somebody should inform the President that the campaign is over. He can rile up his supporters all he wants, but since he’s already won, they have no stake in turning out…after all, they don’t have a vote in government policy.

          • Streetiebird

            Obamacare reduces the deficit :) try again!

          • Maria Seeger

            When? 2 years from now? You’re so full of it and you can’t prove it. All you have is your DNC talking points. And your Campaigner in Chief getting ready to sit down and talk with Big Business and go out and campaign to try to get the mobs to pressure the Republican Congress to bend over and let the Democrats stick it to them. He’s having rallies, dontcha know. Wonder how many people are going to show up since they really have no stake in it. Certainly Republican voters won’t waste their time and if Democrat voters think they have any real influence with the Republican led congress, they’re delusional.

            One Democrat Congresscritter already said that they had no problem with us going over the fiscal cliff because the Republcans would be blamed and the Democratic party would come off as the saviors of America. This is hardly suprising though. The first thing I said to my daughter when Obama won was “Watch for the sequestration to go through. He can’t help himself. He wants a reduction in the military and he is setting it up so that the Republicans take the fall.”
            Again, President Obama’s idea of “bipartisanship” is Shut up, Repbulcians, I won, so therefore you have to do it the way *I* want it.”

          • Streetiebird

            I actually can prove it if you’d turn off Limbaugh for a sec. Although Obamacare will cost more than thought and will reduce the deficit less than thought, it STILL reduces the deficit, which is more than we can say for the GOP plan: http://www.forbes.com/sites/aroy/2012/07/27/cbo-obamacare-will-spend-more-tax-more-and-reduce-the-deficit-less-than-we-previously-thought/

          • Maria Seeger

            Thanks for the link. Yes, it reduces the deficit by a mere 4 billion…hardly a drop in the bucket. However it guts Medicare to the tune of 384 billion dollars. So if Forbes is to be believed, the cuts to the deficit are nowhere near a solution. We’d still be 16 trillion dollars in the red (Assuming a 20 trillion dollar deficit by 2016). In the meantime, the entitlement program known as Medicare loses 384 billion dollars to kee Obamacare going. There is something seriously wrong with this equation. Of course, this is over a period of years, but I hardly see how Obamacare can be sustained since there won’t be enough small businesses to support it.

          • Streetiebird

            Change “guts” to “reduces future spending of” and you’re correct.

          • RightThinking1

            Sure, sure. What I want to know, is do you sincerely believe that? Or, are you just parroting a talking point. I mean if you actually do believe it, then you might be saved from yourself (and CBO rosey scenarios) by some forthright analysis. On the other hand, if you are just going with the talking points, and are too lazy or disinterested to take a forthright look at the numbers, then, you (and sadly those of us who are hitched to the doomed ship) can not be helped.

          • Streetiebird

            Please point me to what you think caused the collapse since you claim to be so wise. On the other hand, if you’re just being lazy and relying on talking points, then just avoid the topic completely.

          • ceemack

            Alan Greenspan keeping interest rates artificially low to keep the economy from crashing after Bill Clinton’s tax hikes, pushing money into different investment markets to find a decent return–stocks, commodities (oil) futures, and housing.

            The Clinton Administration threatening banks if they didn’t expand their lending to marginal homebuyers.

            Ben Bernanke continuing to keeping interest rates low, forcing investors to continue to look for decent returns in riskier investments.

            Franklin Raines and other Clinton cronies grossly mismanaging Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.

            Democrats and some Republicans in Congress refusing to act when the Bush Administration warned of serious problems with questionable mortgages.

            Anti-business Democrats taking Congress in 2006, and taking the White House in 2008.

            Summary: risky mortgages at government behest, Democrat appointees looting Fannie & Freddie (including securitizing mortgages), rampant speculation prompted by mismangement of the currency, and justified fear in the business community of new anti-business leadership in Washington.

            Sorry, the truth isn’t quite as simple as “It’s Bush’s fault!”

          • Streetiebird

            Awww how sweet :) Nothing is the Republicans fault! Even though they presided over the whole mess and pushed hard to repeal Glass Steagal! LOL

          • AMERICAN Kafir™(KAdams)

            Yeah, that was Clinton’s administration.

          • AMERICAN Kafir™(KAdams)

            Don’t forget the amendment to the Glass-Steagall act in 1997.

          • Streetiebird

            Sorry, replied on the wrong topic. Yes I believe it because it’s true, although it won’t reduce it by as much as previously thought. Now point me to where you think it doesn’t reduce the deficit, oh wise one.

          • Streetiebird

            Here is the letter Mr. Boehner received from the CBO when he asked the impact of repealing it, in July the total impact would be that the deficit would RISE $109 billion. That number is less now, but if you remove the ACA we would still see the deficit rise. http://www.cbo.gov/publication/43471

          • AMERICAN Kafir™(KAdams)

            And with 700k+ jobs going to be lost after the first of the (as you say, “fiscal” lol.. ) year, gee, that’s a lot less revenue coming in, from income taxes.

          • http://twitter.com/cpilch123 claire123

            that’s pretty funny, streetiebird. good one hahahaha

          • Streetiebird

            Prove me wrong, kiddo :)

          • TexSizzle

            How long are you going to continue repeating that lie?

          • Streetiebird

            Until someone disputes it with facts instead of just saying the word ‘lie’. If you were truly paying attention you would know that Obamacare reduces the deficit.

        • Penmar

          No you are right, it is so fiscally responsible to increase poverty to it’s highest level since the Great Depression and increase food stamp usage to all all time high, while increasing debt to an all time high and reducing the intake of revenue by 23 million people out of work and slow down the GDP to 1.3….yup, so fiscally responsible it makes my brain hurt trying to make those numbers add up. But you are certainly responsible for all it!

          • Streetiebird

            LOL cute :) Bush policies put people on food stamps then you call his successor the “food stamp president” classy.

          • Ironhawk86

            No. That was the doing of freeloading leftists like you.

          • Penmar

            Incorrect, again! Under Obama, food stamp growth is 75 times more than job growth. And much higher than Bush. Here is a nice little chart showing who is the real King of Food Stamps…ahhh, looky there, Obama wins again.
            http://www.trivisonno.com/wp-content/uploads/Food-Stamps-Yearly.jpg

        • AMERICAN Kafir™(KAdams)

          Yeah, the only time Romney mentioned a $5 trillion tax cut, was when he was refuting Obama’s claim that he said it. You may go watch again, since your memory has a few holes in it.

      • Red Fred

        Well spoken!

    • Liberal Hater

      Would you just go eat shit? Please? Because you’re such a fucking caricature it’s nauseating.

    • http://twitter.com/BlissDesignz Tabitha Taylor

      #DumbItDownForLiberals
      Millionares are leaving America as fast as they can run.
      They have already paid most of the total taxes collected & have offered jobs to Americans for many years.Now that their businesses are under attack they are fleeing to business friendly countries. Obama has created a huge boom in the industry of finding American expats conservative countries.
      Obamacare will do the same thing for medicine.
      Because of it’s implications, 83% of doctors will be packing it in & retiring or taking positions in countries with a well written socialist healthcare system rather than one that usurps their freedom of treatment & their patients privacy to a panel of federal bureaucrats & the IRS. They also do not appreciate being unionized or the death panels. Hospitals cannot see patients more than once within 30 days. Now a complication from the patient’s first visit will easily kill millions thanks to it.
      83% is simply what research studies have shown however, does not count all the Drs that will be disenfranchised like the Dr owned hospitals that are not covered under Obamacare.
      Obamacare literally kills growth & research in the medical industry the way Obama killed our space program. There will be no more cutting edge treatments or discoveries that will cure millions those days are over.
      Obamacare is unsustainable. The few Americans lucky enough to have jobs left when it kicks in cannot afford to pay for all of those who don’t as well as illegal immigrants that do not pay into the system & frivolous procedures like abortion on demand.
      It is already killing thousands of jobs & that will continue. Obamacare will leave more people without insurance coverage than there were before Obamacare.
      Obamacare has began a domino effect that will crash the economy & kill the dollar & millions will probably starve to death. There will be no functional government & chaos will ensue as we have seen in Greece, Spain, Italy, etc.
      Congratulations. You killed the richest most powerful nation on the planet. It’s a big f#kin deal (as Joe Biden said)
      Liberals & fiscal responsibility are like oil & water, night & day, black & white. Obama has spent more money than any government official in the history of the world! Even his personal tastes are extreme as the Obamas spend 1.4 billion dollars per year on personal luxuries. Since you believe such a thing I have a couple of bridges I’d like to sell you.

      • Streetiebird

        Please back up your claim that Millionaires are leaving because of Obama, Obamacare, or taxes.. The others are so ridiculous I won’t even bother (83% of doctors will quit because of too much work and demand for their services LOL)

        • http://pennyrobinsonfanclub.net/ PennyRobinsonFanClub

          I thought that was what all y’all were accusing Mitt and the 1%ers of doing, stashing their money in overseas accounts to avoid taxes. And it is what you are all accusing Papa John’s of doing, essentially. And here in Massachusetts, there is ALREADY a doctor shortage because of our own little Obamacare Lite.

          • Streetiebird

            I wasn’t talking to you Rob, please move along.

          • Maria Seeger

            What’s the matter honey, did Rob hit too close to home? Ouchie.

          • Streetiebird

            HAHAHAHA cute :)

        • Maria Seeger

          Let’s see how you feel a year from now when things go from bad to worse. I don’t have a single problem believing that millionaires are leaving this country because of ObamaCare or doctors are going to practice medicine in some other country that has a better developed and saner healthcare system than we get under ObamaCare. And yes, I did vote for Mitt Romney. Now you can keep spouting your tired old DNC talking points, but the election’s over and now you’re going to have to live with the fact that those who can afford to do so are leaving the country and that more large corporations will begin outsourcing their production if not outright moving to other countries.
          But what am I saying? There is none so blind as one who will not see.

          • Streetiebird

            You don’t have a problem believing it, even though there is no proof to back it up. I will feel great a year from now that children are not turned away because of pre-existing conditions.

          • Maria Seeger

            Sweetheart, my clinic just stopped taking adult patients, and another I went to has just started turning down children on MedicAid. Doctors are in practice to make money, not just to help patients. So, feel great all you want….you altruistic person you…until Obamacare comes along to bite you in the ass. Moron.

          • https://twitter.com/AlessaRosewater Maria

            You’re right and that high % of doctors who said they would quit practicing if Obamacare was implemented are not doing so because of “too much work or too much demand”, but of the simple fact that they cannot afford to KEEP their practices. If you don’t have money, you can’t treat patients! Simple.

        • AMERICAN Kafir™(KAdams)

          I don’t know. 20 states have submitted petitions to the White House for secession. Is that proof enough?

          Now follow up with a comment on how all those people that signed the petitions are ‘cute’ or ‘stupid’, your top-choice of labels for conservatives.

      • NCRelite

        My wife who is a doctor was crying the night of the elections, she feels like all of her schooling and sacrifices she made are now a waste. I’m sure she’s not alone. People voted for Obama without knowing how destructive his policies are, and the media covered for him every step of the way. Obamacare is baked into the cake and this was the fight we absolutely had to win, now it’s too late and we’ll ALWAYS be operating from within a left of center framework.

        I blame the 3,000,000 conservatives that didn’t vote.

    • http://pennyrobinsonfanclub.net/ PennyRobinsonFanClub

      Pfft. Fiscal responsibility! This lesson in Leftonomics brought to you by the number 16 trillion, the letter O, and Elmo’s new word for the day, “Catamite.”

      • Streetiebird

        Bad troll is bad at trolling.

      • RightThinking1

        Ice,

        Humor is where you find it, even when dark. That one made me chuckle.
        No surprise that Sesame Street would have a few degenerates hanging around.

      • AMERICAN Kafir™(KAdams)

        It’s not ‘statutory rape’? Elmo’s word… His ‘safe’ word might be catamite, I dunno…

      • Penmar

        Elmo’s new word of the day is also pedophile, for those of you who weren’t around during the Roman times.

      • sally1137

        I hear they have a new doll out, The F$&@ Me Elmo. Just in time for Christmas.

    • Nana Taylor

      1Trillion dollar deficits for 4 yrs and counting, nearly a billion dollars tossed away to failed green companies owned by big name campaign donors, corporate cronyism as far as the eye can see, payoffs to foreign countries to keep their mouths shut about how we are drone killing their innocent civilians. Not realizing that the richest counties all voted for Obama. Companies shutting down and laying off employees en masse because of the “unintended?” consequences of ObamaCare. Yes math is hard for liberals. Yes lets force “the rich” to pay for all of our follies. What a joke you liberals are. Always someone else’s fault, always someone else has to pay.

      • Streetiebird

        And I bet you voted for Mitt “I’ll cut revenue by $5 trillion but will pay for it (trust me)* Romney right? Even though he’s still spouting the same gibberish that got us into this mess to begin with: Deregulate everything, cut taxes for millionaires, down with the EPA!

        • Nana Taylor

          Seriously Steetiebird your only rebuttal to my comment is accusing me of being a Romney voter? Take the blinders off and see the truth for what it is-the TRUTH! Apparently facts are hard for you.

          • Streetiebird

            Your comment was full of falsehoods, so it was not worth responding to. You imply that the deficit is Obama’s fault when it is not (see: bush tax cuts, wars in Iraq and Afghanistan). And you have the brass to claim it’s not your party’s fault that we have these massive deficit-funded tax breaks for millionaires and un-funded wars in two countries started by your party’s lies. So yes, my only rebuttal was to accuse you of being a Romney voter because he has the same failed policies your party has been pushing since the 80’s.

          • Nana Taylor

            Boloney.The deficits are Obama’s, because Bush’s deficits were Bush’s. You cant have cake and eat it too. Democrats took Congress in 2007 and voted for the majority of those policies you now deride, including the wars… Yes Joe Biden included. You still cannot rebut my comment but have the gall to call them falsehoods. You’re not even a troll worth debating you have already lost. 1457 days and counting until Obama leaves office for good.

          • Streetiebird

            You know the wars didn’t start in 2007 right? And unless the rightwing media stops living in loony-toon land we will see another Democratic president after Obama :)

          • Nana Taylor

            You are still misreading my comment StreetieBird. Why do I have to dumb them down for you? Democrats also voted to fund the war in 2007. They also contributed to each and every single policy you now complain of. Instead of taking over in 2009 and making things better… they made it so much worse. Full control of 3 branches and all we got was ObamaCare, more wars, and more debt.

          • Streetiebird

            LOL so you’d prefer we pull the rug out from under our soldiers on the front line? OF COURSE we voted to CONTINUE paying our soldiers. If you were truly interested in reducing debt then we’d be able to talk in a real way about raising taxes from their historic low to pay for BOTH party’s policies.

          • Nana Taylor

            Again there you go… pull the rug out. Its the same with every program. Everyone will somehow suffer when you take government largess from them but who pays? We do! If OUR representatives voted for it, then WE should help pay for it. Those at ALL EARNINGS LEVELS. Dipshit Democrats want the rich to pay for everything. #Dumbitdownforliberals

          • Streetiebird

            Ummm we’re talking about the military… Who else is going to pay for defense if not the Government?

          • Maria Seeger

            Well, you Democrats will make sure our military gets gutted when the sequester goes through, which is what Obama wants. They’ve already made it clear they won’t accept any compromise fron Republicans unless they agree to tax the rich, and they have no problems with the concept of letting the sequester happen. In fact, it’s what Obama wants, because then, the Democrats see themselves as being saviors of the US. Interesting.

          • Streetiebird

            Blah blah, you’re losing me with your conspiracy theories. I bet next you’ll say Obama wants to take your guns away LOL

          • Nana Taylor

            Again Streetiebird what is your argument for raising more taxes on the rich and not cutting entitlements? Have you looked at sequestration? Do you have any idea what was previously proposed by the whitehouse to the GOP at the last debt limit increase? Do you understand that Obama and the Democrats offered up cuts to Tricare, Medicaid, Medicare and social security for the last debt limit increaseand will probably do so again? What is your argument in defense of Obama
            Care when employers are closing their businesses, and or laying off and or cutting hours because of it and the new taxes caused by extreme government spending?

          • Streetiebird

            Here’s my argument: We should end millionaire’s tax breaks because they don’t need them. Now what’s your argument for cutting their taxes further, like Romney would have done? My defense of Obamacare: it cuts the deficit, saves lives, and only temporarily impacts some business owners while permanently increasing our quality of life and reducing insurance premiums while rewarding employers that have been doing the right thing and providing insurance already. Now what’s your argument against Obamacare when it will save thousands of lives and reduce the deficit?

          • Nana Taylor

            #dumbitdownforliberals What is a tax break? Whose money is the millionaires money?

          • Streetiebird

            Don’t dodge the questions, thanks.

          • Nana Taylor

            Answer please Streetiebird what are tax breaks?

          • Streetiebird

            Answer my questions first, thanks.

          • Nana Taylor

            What is my argument for cutting taxes further? Simply this. Im not advocating cutting taxes more. Everyone spent everyone should pay, even the lowest incomes should have skin in the game. We give away nearly $60,000/ per yr in benfits to our poor. http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/over-60000-welfare-spentper-household-poverty_657889.html What is my argument against ObamaCare-you are mandating (FORCING)through the power of the irs(AT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT LEVEL) the American people TO PURCHASE A PRIVATELY HELD PRODUCT. Through penalties such as fines, taxes, you bill employers, and citizens for those unwilling or incapable of paying for their own insurance… and yet we still pay for medicaid/medicare, and Schips. I’ve dealth with socialized healthcare for a long time-we cant find drs that accept it and are forced to travel hours away, we cannot get the insurance to pay for life saving tests because they dont fit the IPBA boards reason for having the tests. We are already forced to wait for tests because the specialists downgrade us because of the way socialized care pays. Now let me add… it also will cost our young people staying on their parents insurance is NOT FREE. We used to be able to carry catastrophic icheap nsur policies, now those are against the law. Now everyone must pay a fine or have insurance…. except criminals, illegals, and indigents, and a small contigent of religious objectors.

          • Streetiebird

            Thanks for the answer, although the grounds on which you’re objecting is no different than being required to have auto insurance before driving. Are you outraged by that mandate as well?

          • Nana Taylor

            My automobile insurance is based on 1 it is a state requirement 2 I have to own and drive a vehicle. A choice to drive or not to drive is involved 3 The irs doesnt confiscate my tax refund if I do not have automobile insurance. 4 liability insr exist to pay for someone elses accidents But Im not penalized when I buy full coverage on my vehicle through the tax system like ObamaCare does. Apples and oranges. Next

          • Streetiebird

            It’s a mandate, aren’t you OUTRAGED?!?!?!

          • Nana Taylor

            Its not a mandate if I do not drive.ObamaCare is a mandate whether I use healthcare or not. Now you answer my questions. What is a TAX CUT?

          • Streetiebird

            A tax cut is a reduction in the amount of taxes you are required to pay to the government. Oh you wanted me to say: It’s the additional amount of your own money you get to keep instead of it being robbed to pay for Obamacare. LOL

          • Nana Taylor

            So a tax cut means you get to keep more of the money you worked for no matter what your level of earnings?

          • Streetiebird

            Yes Nana *roll eyes* and yes, I saw where you were going with this from the second you typed it. If you don’t want to live in a democracy I’m sure there’s a developing country that doesn’t require you to buy insurance…. As a patriotic American I’m happy to pay more in taxes to get us out of debt if asked to, which is exactly what we’re trying in California, much to the Conservatives dismay. But since Grover Norquist invented this new GOP party when he was 12, it’s now impossible to even raise taxes in a time of war. What the heck happened to America??

          • Nana Taylor

            Oh there you go.. So if I object to paying what you deem my taxes to be I should just move… As a patriotic American we have just retired from serving 25 yrs in the military. Let me finish by saying I agree I think everyone should pay their taxes. So tell me Streetiebird why arent the bottowm 47% paying thier fair share to the Federal government and havent paid their fair share in 40 yrs? Dont tell me they are too poor for it, the numbers tell a different story see link above. Please abstain from demagoguery about how much poor people can afford. I know different, and before you argue poor people pay taxes yes they do local taxes, so does everyone else who pays Federal taxes. I think EVERYONE SHOULD PAY… DONT YOU?

          • Streetiebird

            Brave of you to call out the 47% including the elderly who have paid taxes in the past. You know they pay all kinds of other taxes besides income tax right? 60% of them pay federal payroll tax. They pay state and local taxes. Families with children get tax breaks that lumps them into your 47%. And did you know that six out of the top 400 earners (over $77 million per year) paid no taxes, as did almost 20,000 families with AGI above $200,000. But you knew all this already right?

          • https://twitter.com/davidjkramer DavidKramer

            Hey loser, why are you still trolling? Are you a sociopath? What are you doing here? Do you have a psychological need to lie and make people believe you? Narcissist much?

          • Nana Taylor

            Again Streetiebird Ill #dumbitdownforliberals 47% pay no tax=47% are not paying thier fair share. http://money.cnn.com/2009/09/30/pf/taxes/who_pays_taxes/index.htm You can demagogue that all you want, but a fact is a fact. http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/politics/story/2012/09/18/who-are-the-47/57802074/1 Since its patriotic to pay your taxes dont you think you are a real ass for calling the 47% unpatriotic-its right there in your comments above.> Streetiebird> Nana Taylor•29 minutes ago−

            Yes Nana *roll eyes* and yes, I saw where you were going with this from the second you typed it. If you don’t want to live in a democracy I’m sure there’s a developing country that doesn’t require you to buy insurance…. As a patriotic American I’m happy to pay more in taxes to get us out of debt if asked to, which is exactly what we’re trying in California, much to the Conservatives dismay. But since Grover Norquist invented this new GOP party when he was 12, it’s now impossible to even raise taxes in a time of war. What the heck happened to America??

          • Streetiebird

            If you narrow your eyes and look ONLY ad federal income tax then you’re right. But those same people pay payroll tax, have paid taxes in the past, and pay lots in state and local taxes. And I did not call anyone un-patriotic, you’re distorting what I said, just like the whole “you built it” GOP platform.

          • Nana Taylor

            Admit it Im right, they dont pay their fair share. Its time that changes. Esp since we all have to help pay for their freebies. Thanks for the debate. ObamaCare will cause undue pain to many over the next year and there after. It needed to be completely repealed and re-done, but now we are stuck with it. It will go unfunded and many more will suffer because of that fact. Esp if you look at what was already laid in front of the GOP to get the last credit limit increase. Read and be ashamed of the Whitehouse. Many states will refuse to impliment ObamaCare, or the exchanges. Sequestration is also headed our way. http://presspass.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/11/11/15089281-white-house-grand-bargain-offer-to-speaker-boehner-obtained-by-bob-woodward?lite

          • mike_in_kosovo

            And those millionaires paid property taxes, local/state taxes and capital gains tax, as well as providing employment opportunities for others. Were you planning on actually making a point eventually?

          • Streetiebird

            My point is that Republicans do not care about the poor or the middle class, they only care about Grover Norquist’s tax pledge he thought up when he was 12. They’re sacrificing the poor for the good of the already rich, and to me that is just wrong. Did you hear about this little thing called Occupy Wall Street? Do you know anything about why they’ve been protesting THIS WHOLE TIME? You can’t fix the budget with tax cuts, but that’s the ONLY thing Romney actually said out loud that he would do for the economy. He basically wanted to abandon the federal government, starve it of funds, then watch it blow away in the wind. Now that the Democratic candidate has won, we can discuss paying down the deficit, fixing the budget, and maybe raising taxes a little to pay for our two foreign wars. Did you have a point? Or were you just here to try to make yourself feel like a big boy?

          • mike_in_kosovo

            My point is that Republicans do not care about the poor or the middle class,

            Which, of course, is why they passed tax cuts that took MILLIONS of low income people off the tax rolls entirely by removing their tax liability, and *increased* the amount of tax that the rich pay.

            They’re sacrificing the poor for the good of the already rich, and to me that is just wrong.

            Which, of course, is why they passed tax cuts that took MILLIONS of low income people off the tax rolls entirely by removing their tax liability, and *increased* the amount of tax that the rich pay.

            Did you hear about this little thing called Occupy Wall Street? Do you know anything about why they’ve been protesting THIS WHOLE TIME?

            They bought the same lame line of bullshit that you keep trotting out here absent all proof to the contrary?

            You can’t fix the budget with tax cuts, but that’s the ONLY thing Romney actually said out loud that he would do for the economy.

            Actually it wasn’t, not that I expect a low-info drone like you to know that.

            He basically wanted to abandon the federal government, starve it of funds, then watch it blow away in the wind.

            Same lame lib talking points.

            Now that the Democratic candidate has won, we can discuss paying down the deficit

            Yes, lets!! You can start by showing how the 80 billion a year they’ll get from the rich is going to offset Zero’s 1 TRILLION plus deficit.

            fixing the budget

            You mean after 4 years, they’re FINALLY going to pass one?

            Did you have a point?

            I believe it’s been sufficiently proven that, as always, you have absolutely NO clue as to what you prattle on about – whatever Moveon is paying you, it’s too much.

            Or were you just here to try to make yourself feel like a big boy?

            Showing that you’re completely unarmed in a battle of wits doesn’t ‘make me feel like a big boy’; you’re not that important. It’s more like a cat playing with a spring doorstop – idle fun and a way to pass a bit of time.

          • Streetiebird

            So you don’t have a point? Just here to defend Romney? kk got it.

          • mike_in_kosovo

            Thanks for proving that your intelligence is limited to blindly parroting liberal talking points.

          • Streetiebird

            And thanks for proving that you believe everything you hear from Rush Limbaugh.

          • mike_in_kosovo

            Unfortunately (for you), I’ve posted nothing coming from Limbaugh.

            Once again, and as usual, you fail.

          • AMERICAN Kafir™(KAdams)

            Yet another idiot that doesn’t know the context of Romney’s 47% remark.

          • https://twitter.com/davidjkramer DavidKramer

            Quit feeding the troll. It just lies and lies and lies to get you despondent.

          • https://twitter.com/AlessaRosewater Maria

            Ah, you live in California, now that explains your attitude and screwed up ideologies. You’re all socialists. lol To be patriotic you don’t have to serve your country or support the Troops anymore! Just give all your money to the government and live in poverty! Haha. Gotta love such simpleminded Liberals. I guess you think you’re more patriotic than my Husband and my Father who served in the Military, and myself who served the Troops.

          • AMERICAN Kafir™(KAdams)

            America isn’t a democracy. If you’re basing your arguments in that, no wonder you fail to get your points across. America is not a democracy. It helps if you base your argument on a fact (America is a republic) and not a fallacy ( America is a democracy).

          • mike_in_kosovo

            It’s ok, Streetie-sweetie… next year, when you’re in 7th grade, you’ll take Civics where you’ll learn that the US isn’t a democracy but a representative republic.

          • Streetiebird

            LOL okay :) We’re not a democracy *gigglesnort*

          • mike_in_kosovo

            That’s correct, we’re not. As I said, you’ll learn about it in 7th grade Civics class next year.

            http://www.c4cg.org/republic.htm

          • Streetiebird

            LOL you’re precious :)

          • mike_in_kosovo

            That’s correct, we’re not. As I said, you’ll learn about it in 7th grade Civics class next year.

            http://www.c4cg.org/republic.htm

          • Garth Haycock

            Your ignorance is beyond measure. The US is not a democracy. Never has been.

          • Streetiebird

            And yours is as well Garth. Although we are a Republic, we are also still a Democracy. Or are you truly that blind? Did you think voting was just for fun?

          • Garth Haycock

            Nice retort. Think of it all by yourself?

            What’s hilarious is that you actually think that you have a clue about any of this and have the audacity to claim that I don’t. But then, you most likely are a product of your academic environment which explains a lot.

          • Streetiebird

            Since you’re using the Republican meme of “We’re a Republic, not a Democracy” then that gives me the right to claim you don’t know what you’re talking about.

          • ERMERGERD

            Don’t bother. This person trolls with liberal talking points whenever they can. It’s not worth arguing with an idiot.

          • Streetiebird

            Let me dumb it down for you. See, when enough people live in one place they need a “government” to help settle disagreements and such. Also most governments pool resources to get things done, like defense, infrastructure, education, and in many cases yes, HEALTHCARE *dun dun dunnnn*. Now when the government needs to get something done, like fight a war, they ask their citizens to pay some money (taxes) to cover the expense of that task, like a war. Now in America we have a Democracy, which means we can vote for people who will represent us, or in some cases we can directly vote for things we want or don’t want. Lately Republicans have gotten fed up with all of these frivolous social programs like Social Security and Medicare and so they want to starve the beast by cutting taxes drastically and also cutting government spending massively because they disagree with the Democracy we’ve built for ourselves and want to see it fundamentally changed to become less of a social democracy and more of a free-for-all where the government would only cover defense. So the money we all pay into the pool of resources (taxes) are not being used how you would like, so your party wants to tear the whole system down in a tantrum and let the free market decide everything, including who can afford to be healed when they’re sick. Does my loaded answer adequately answer your loaded question?

          • AMERICAN Kafir™(KAdams)

            So wait, you need government to step in and settle your disputes for you? LOL… that’s rich!

          • AMERICAN Kafir™(KAdams)

            So the relaunching of talks with the UN about a small arms treaty isn’t Obama wanting to take our guns away? Immediately after the election? What would YOU call it, O mighty liberal in your infinite wisdom? /sarc

          • https://twitter.com/AlessaRosewater Maria

            Obama cut the Defense budget in half already. The Military isn’t too happy with him.

          • Penmar

            Paying the Military….hmmm, seems I remember Obama telling the House that if they didn’t vote for a hike in the debt ceiling they and our poor seniors wouldn’t get paid. Which he could have done as Clinton did when faced with a government shutdown. Your MaObama doesn’t give a rat’s a$$ for our Military, for further evidence of this google Benghazi.

          • http://twitter.com/jtschauffeur L M Harms

            WTF, do you do all day? I see you on here everytime I log on which is rarely…… Do you work or do you just collect a government check? Why don’t you get off you ass and go volunteer at a food bank or something positive instead of trolling on here. Put you energy to good works.

          • Maria Seeger

            You’ll see another Democratic president provided the Democrats can find another minority candidate to present to the American people so that they can keep right on playing the race card. After spending all this time demonizing the White Repbulcian candidates as cold heartless rich White guys, they’ll have a heck of a time presenting another rich White guy or rich White gal as a viable candidate. Forget Hillary, she’s done. And I don’t see any viable minorities in sight, unless the Democrats get busy and start manufacturing one like they did Obama. Did you see any likely candidates during the DNC convention? That’s when Obama was chosen. Remember, unless Obama can find a way to overcome that pesky term limitation amendment of the US Constitution, he’s just a lame duck president. You’re delusional.

          • AMERICAN Kafir™(KAdams)

            Hmm. I recall 1993 as the first WTC bombing… and what was Bosnia, again? You’re a few years off, but your failure at math is nothing new.

        • RightThinking1

          Please point to the ‘deregulation’ that caused the housing/financial crisis.
          The CRA & Fannie/Freddie debacle were *in fact* the assertion of regulation…, which is to say that it was very, very bad Democrat regulation. More to come, I’m sure.

          • Streetiebird

            Look up the repeal of Glass Steagall, pushed by Republicans, signed under Clinton. Then look up the actual impact of Fannie and Freddie. Then you’ll have a better picture of the problem.

        • Penmar

          Wait, there’s more here is some nice Fraud, Waste and Abuse, compliments of Senator Coburn of Ok:

          Examples of the more than $3 billion in waste and duplication outlined in the report include:

          • $80,000 study on why the same teams always dominate March Madness;

          • $315,000 study suggesting playing FarmVille on Facebook helps adults develop and maintain relationships;

          • $1 million for an analysis of how quickly parents respond to trendy baby names;

          • $50,000 to produce and publicize amateur songs about science,
          including a rap called “Money 4 Drugz,” and a misleading song titled
          “Biogas is a Gas, Gas, Gas”;

          • $2 million to figure out that people who often post pictures on the
          internet from the same location at the same time are usually friends;
          and

          • $581,000 on whether online dating site users are racist.

          Additionally, the report details examples of mismanagement including:

          • Hundreds of millions of dollars lost to ineffective contracting;

          • $1.7 billion in unspent funds sitting in expired, undisbursed grant accounts;

          • At least $3 million in excessive travel funds

          • A lack of accountability or program metrics to evaluate expenditures.

          • Inappropriate staff behavior including porn surfing and Jello
          wrestling and skinny-dipping at NSF-operated facilities in Antarctica.

        • TexSizzle

          Repeating the Big Lie again does not make it true.

          • Streetiebird

            You’re right, that’s partly why Romney did so poorly. He just kept repeating the same lies, hoping people wouldn’t dig below the surface. Fortunately for me, I have Romney’s own words to help me out. He was going to cut taxes by 20% (experts agree this would amount to nearly $5 trillion in lost revenue) and then he pinky-swore he would tell us how he’d pay for them after we elected him. Where am I wrong?

    • People Corporation

      Dumb it down for Streetiebird, the millionaires did their fair share. Maybe Obamaphone lady will hire you now.

      • Streetiebird

        The millionaires have been given massive tax cuts, why didn’t they create massive amounts of jobs? Why did revenue never return to the pre-cut levels?

        • RightThinking1

          “Massive”? Really? Who told you that, and why do you believe them?
          Just a quick question:

          Who received the greater tax benefit under the Bush tax cuts, the upper 20% of earners, or the lower 20% of earners

          • Streetiebird

            Although there is debate about who benefited the most as a % of their income, the wealthy overwhelmingly benefited the most in terms of actual dollars. As far as who can afford to have their tax cut rolled back, it’s obviously the wealthy. Nice try defending millionaires though, the kool aid is working!

        • People Corporation

          Proof that no amount of dumbing down works.

          • Streetiebird

            So you disagree that these “job creators” didn’t create jobs when given more money? The recent report the GOP tried to squash proves I’m right, but you won’t hear about it on Limbaugh.

    • Red Fred

      RateSingle FilersMarried Joint FilersHead of Household Filers10%$0 to $8,950$0 to $17,900 $0 to $12,75015% $8,950 to $36,250 $17,900 to $72,500$12,750 to $48,600 25%$36,250 to $87,850$72,500 to $146,400$48,600 to $125,450 28%$87,850 to $183,250$146,400 to $223,050$125,450 to $203,150 33%$183,250 to $203,600$223,050 to $247,000$203,150 to $227,300 36%$203,600 to $398,350$247,000 to $398,350$227,300 to $398,35039.60%$398,350 and up$398,350 and up$398,350 and up
      Are you getting the picture? A person who makes $398,350 taxed 60% ends up with less than half what they earned. So why bother to excel.

      • Streetiebird

        LOL cute :) Why bother to excel when our tax rates are at historic LOWS? Shouldn’t we be rolling in jobs if tax cuts create jobs?

        • DizzyMissL

          We were in 2007

          • Streetiebird

            And we were doing even better under Clinton, what’s your point?

          • DizzyMissL

            Wrong. Tax revenues were the highest in history in 2007.

          • Streetiebird

            Unless you go as a percentage of GDP, then it was 2000

          • AMERICAN Kafir™(KAdams)

            Still not a Clinton year.

        • Penmar

          I don’t know why you keep perpetuating that lie, lowest tax rates in US History were in 1913.

      • https://twitter.com/AlessaRosewater Maria

        Don’t you realize that Streetie and his Liberal cronies WANT a rich person to take home half or less of what they earned? Then when that rich person is down on the same level of poverty as those Liberals are, they feel justified and better about themselves. Liberals don’t WANT to excel. They lack drive and determination to better themselves.

    • Penmar

      Dumb it down for Streetiebird, 250,000 does not a millionaire make.16 trillion and counting in debt is not fiscally responsible. And lower tax rates to the businesses you call rich equals more full time jobs not less jobs or only part time jobs.

      • Streetiebird

        I’d be a millionaire if I made $250,000 per year. It’s called saving.

        • TexSizzle

          Not with the taxes Nobama wants people making $250,000 to pay. You couldn’t afford to save. Besides, if you just save and don’t invest, inflation devalues what you have saved, and with the hyperinflation headed our way because of wasteful spending by Democratics, your alleged million dollars in savings will soon be worthless.

          • Streetiebird

            Remember the 90’s? We were doing pretty well with Clinton era tax rates. Oh, you probably weren’t born yet, sorry.

    • GTFOBigGovt

      What is your definition of fiscal responsibility?

    • https://twitter.com/AlessaRosewater Maria

      56.7+ million Americans disagree. Also, I want to pay for MY healthcare and MY family’s healthcare, that is all I can afford, everyone else should pay for their own.

    • Ironhawk86

      “Americans want a more Liberal system where millionaire’s taxes are raised instead of lowered”

      So why aren’t Obama’s backers paying their “fair share” then?

      • https://twitter.com/AlessaRosewater Maria

        They don’t want to pay their “fair share”. They want millionaires and upper middle class to pay for them.

    • RightThinking1

      I’ve already posted this above, but I repeat here:

      Yawn….

      Oh. I see that surgeons in France are going on strike ( http://www.newsinsurances.co.u… ). Well.., c’est la vie.

      Hmmm, I guess that sort have thing can happen when there is a central umbrella payer.

      Ah! That reminds me, there seems to be a shortage of doctors there. Wonder what brought that on?

    • Todd Hill

      If I understand what you’re attempting to imply here, if we merely raise the taxes on millionaires, we will eliminate the federal deficit entirely. I was unaware that the INCOME earned by all millionaires within the US surpasses the amount of money spent by the federal government each year.

      You can guarantee that raising taxes on the rich will eliminate our deficit, right?

      • Streetiebird

        You did not understand what I was trying to imply. Way off the mark in fact. Want another try?

        • Todd Hill

          Perhaps if you stop implying things with weasel words and state your case explicitly, that would help. After all, libs tend to think of themselves as the intellectual betters of others, so you should put your professor cap on and pontificate.

          You advocate raising taxes on the wealthy. To what degree should they be raised, and what cumulative effect (other than sparking class warfare between the haves and have nots) are you wanting to achieve?

          We both know that you could tax income at 100% for those who EARN more than $250,000 a year and it wouldn’t even put a small dent in the deficit. You could also tax income at 100% for those who are WORTH more than $250,000 a year and it still wouldn’t put a significant dent in the deficit.

          I believe the point that you and your other lib friends have been dancing around is that you don’t want to simply tax the income of the wealthy; you instead want to seize the wealth and assets of anyone who is worth more than $250,000 and put that in the government coffers. Example: if a Warren Buffet type was worth $3 billion on paper, you’d advocate the seizure of all of his assets down to $249,999 for the ‘common good.’

          The sad thing is that even if you did THAT, the deficit wouldn’t be significantly reduced.

          Perhaps you could address the way in which this government squanders the funds it receives (and manufactures through additional currency printing), since fixing that would have a longer-term positive effect…

          • Streetiebird

            My point is that I want to restore the dignity we once had that Republicans have taken away by cutting the top marginal rates to the recklessly low levels they are at today. Then we can talk like grownups about solving the debt and deficit crisis, but the rates are artificially low right now due to Reaganomics and trickle down economics that the right has been pushing on us for decades. I never said that we could solve the problem with tax increases alone, but Republicans think they CAN solve the problems with tax cuts, which is reckless and crazy.

  • conservativechick

    You Will have a piece of paper stating you have Obamacare Insurance. You WILL NOT have any doctor who will take it, therefore you will NOT be able to get actual health CARE! Get it now?

    • Armando

      This is not what’s happening with Romneycare in Massachusetts.

      • detroit19

        State level, not federal mandate…big difference.

      • Jamamoba

        I live in Mass. Again wrong!

    • http://twitter.com/redsoxunixgeek Smitty 

      I know you like to think this, but Romneycare is working just great in Mass.

      Even more so than Governor Romney’s 39% Approval Rating when he left office: http://www.kaiserhealthnews.org/daily-reports/2011/march/11/state-roundup.aspx

      • Maria Seeger

        Whatever the merits of Romney Care, they are due to the fact that it was a truly bipartisan piece of legislation that apparently did not cause small businesses to implode and did not bury the state’s citizens with overly high taxes. In other words, it sounds like it was a much better piece of legislation than Obamacare. The question is; Will Masachussetts be allowed to keep RomneyCare or will it have to give it up and go to ObamaCare? In other words, will they have to give up something that works for something that doesn’t?

        • Penmar

          I think since they mostly all voted for Obama, they should join the rest of us and live with Obamacare.

          • SpinMeNot

            It is a dead giveaway that bill is bad when the people voting on that bill exempt themselves from it. Its called tyranny.

      • http://extremesplash.wordpress.com/ Ben Bollman

        Romneycare wasn’t bundled with needless regulations, more bureaucracy, death panels, disregard for religious freedom, porkbelly expenditures like Pell grants that had nothing to with health care.

        • RightThinking1

          Speaking of wasted taxpayer dollars…. Pell Grants…, grrr.
          Now up from something like $39 BILLION to $60 BILLION under Obama.
          Scientists? Engineers? Fine. ‘Political Science’ or ‘Mass Communications’? No…, just no. Don’t graduate (which 49% DO NOT)? Payback time.

          • http://twitter.com/redsoxunixgeek Smitty 

            Uhm Mass Communications are usually reporters, journalists, and other media members Including Media Members on the Right

            Political Science is more than Just Politics, those of us who Do a Poli Sci Degree with our Engineering Degree is so we can be policy advisors.

            I would love to see your 49% statistic (not to argue, but because the data of College Viability fascinates me)

          • http://www.facebook.com/cameron.brown.7543 Cameron Brown

            Here’s something from 2011 that sites 38% Graduation rate for U.S. http://www.dukechronicle.com/article/us-college-graduation-rate-lags-speaker-says

          • RightThinking1

            Smitty,

            First, thanks for prompting me to take a look at a source for the numbers. I clearly mis-recollected the dollar number. It is true that Pell $ have nearly doubled under Obama, but the number is more like ~$19 Billion to ~$36 Billion.

            As for Mass Communications and Political Science, I do not apologize. Sorry, when we are falling off of a cliff, cuts have to be made. We’ll just have to rely on kids who can make it in those majors without grants. I do not think that the collective School of Journalism will suffer.
            Here is another example, the kid at Hofstra(?) that asked Romney about improving the job market? His major is Exercise Science. Well, Ok…, if that is what you want to do, but given the issue of global competition, and our coffers already into the muddy bottom, sorry, no grant. We can not afford it…, there comes a time when (and we are there) we can not afford to be generous.
            As to graduation rates, that is not easy to pick off. My numbers are just a sort of average from various sources, but they are correct +/- a few percent. Guess what, you can’t find a hard number. The government isn’t handing it out.
            There are various and sundry sources that have come up with numbers that are near what I stated. The single most comprehensive report that I know of is here, though you might seek others:
            http://www.johnlocke.org/acrobat/pope_articles/pell_report_final.pdf
            In that study you wil find a myriad of statistics, but the conclusion is always the same. Pell Grantees are not performing very well. That may well be because of background/socialization issues, but it does not alter the fact that we are not getting our money’s worth, and the situation, because of increased funding, is getting worse.
            At a time when we MUST make cuts in spending, I’m for cutting the inefficient and non-productive stuff first.

          • http://twitter.com/redsoxunixgeek Smitty 

            I agree, but hell, I wish I could qualify for a Pell Grant (one of my Big Gripes – since i work 40+ per week, i make too much to qualify for free money to pay for my schooling)

            Thanks for the links, I appreciate it.

          • RightThinking1

            Yeah, well, I wish you could too. I don’t know you, but you seem like a bright guy. I worked for a while on a Masters degree (at night), but was also working long hours (45-50) at my job. I just couldn’t keep it up, degree faded away…
            When I first went to ungraduate school, I had to work to pay for it. I had a one-bedroom unfurnished apartment ($100/mo.) that had a mattress on the floor (no box spring) and that was it. I ran an extension cord down from a ceiling fixture to a hanging bare bulb. That was how I studied, on the floor. Ate a LOT of Hamburger Helper without the hamburger. Had to take loans from a school fund to buy books each quarter.The good old days…

          • http://twitter.com/redsoxunixgeek Smitty 

            Biggest mistake I ever made was dropping out 10+ years ago, but I think it helps me recognize the investment my parents made when they paid the first two years.

            I may lean liberal in a lot of areas, but there are some areas where the government makes me go WTF (See Nanny New York, and Meatless Mondays in LA)

            I am lucky to have a bit more creature comforts (e.g. Laptop, and tools i use for both work and school) to make it through, but my mom went through the same thing putting herself through school until she joined the Navy.

      • GTFOBigGovt

        Because the feds subsidize 50% of Romneycare. Good luck in the future.

      • RightThinking1

        Yawn….

        Oh. I see that surgeons in France are going on strike ( http://www.newsinsurances.co.uk/france-surgeons-strike-pay-limits/0169490177 ). Well.., c’est la vie.

        Hmmm, I guess that sort have thing can happen when there is a central umbrella payer.

        Ah! That reminds me, there seems to be a shortage of doctors there. Wonder what brought that on?

    • https://twitter.com/AlessaRosewater Maria

      Not to mention all the thousands of doctors slanted to give up their practice because they would go bankrupt with Obamacare’s mandates.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=715641688 Gord Higham

      Look to Canada if you want to see the real tragedy of socialized government controlled HealthCare, oh yeah, on paper it says this type of surgery is covered, too bad that there isn’t a practicing surgeon within 900 miles and I could go on and on and on………………

  • ImASassyBlonde

    Dumb it down for libs: Business owners don’t open a business to provide jobs and benefits for employees. They open it for… *gasp*…profit!

  • http://twitter.com/tenettsto tenettsto

    FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY!!!! LOL

  • NCRelite

    How entitlements are corrupting our country, dumbed down for Libbies: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=JsTbkB9hOuw

  • Vivian Perez

    More expenses (like Obamacare) for a business=less jobs, or less benefits, or only part-time positions. No sense in crying over spilled milk (if jobs, hours or benefts are lost).

  • Basset_Hound

    Check out Facebook for true Liberal “logic”! Their “answer” is to call for boycotts of major fast food and restaurant chains. That way these companies make even LESS, and have to let more people go. I guess they figure that businesses are charities and those EEEEEVVVVVIIILLL “One Percenters” are able to crap money just like their Messiah can.

  • http://www.freedomreconnection.com/ FreedomRecon

    What percentage of the money we worked for and earned should we be allowed to keep? And when do we say enough is enough? I’m done paying for others to sit at home while I bust my rear every day.

  • dkhilly

    Here’s one: All those “evil, heartless, 1%er, CEOs” will not suddenly grow a heart and take government hits out of their own salaries. They will pass it on to the consumers and their employees….please don’t act so surprised and shocked when they act just like you described them.

  • http://www.freedomreconnection.com/ FreedomRecon

    Ahh Charles K. on “special report” just said it best…. “liberals are fundamentally incapable of understanding that you can raise revenue without raising taxes.”

    • nc

      That’s because they don’t know what “revenue” means. #DumbItDownForLiberals

  • dan

    I think we all who have jobs should get a picture of the ones we are supporting. kinda like when you send your money to a third world country and the organization sends u a photo of the kid you are sponsoring… that way I could go over and have a heart to heart with the folks I’m taking care of….lol

    • http://www.freedomreconnection.com/ FreedomRecon

      I like the way you think, Dan.

    • https://twitter.com/AlessaRosewater Maria

      Priceless!

  • http://twitter.com/mcgfan maria

    #DumbitDownForLiberals Money really doesn’t grow on trees, so just saving the rain forest won’t keep your government check coming.

  • http://siftingreality.com/ siftingreality.com

    It’s funny how Liberals seem to think that taxes are not a business expense, like lights, inventory, rent, salaries, etc. They aren’t just going to eat the loss through higher expenses, the cost gets passed on to the consumer until the market can’t bear the higher prices. That’s when people lose their jobs. #businessesarentcharities

  • http://www.freedomreconnection.com/ FreedomRecon

    But, but the evil bank man told me I could afford a 200k house even if I only make 1k a month. It’s his fault.

  • nc

    #DumbItDownForLiberals: You won, but everybody lost.

  • http://twitter.com/kennytarride kennytarride

    it’s hard to understand math when your leader only understands it at a 7th grade level.

  • orringtonmom (D)

    dumb it down for liberals: if you throw the word ‘racism’ around at the drop of a hat, it is going to cease to have any real meaning.

  • http://www.freedomreconnection.com/ FreedomRecon

    Surprising that we aren’t going to have to pay for their pets going to the vet…..animals need medical care toooooooo. Sorry just got an email from my vet saying it was time to update my dogs shots….maybe someone in CA will pay the bill for me? Pretty please.

    • TexSizzle

      Don’t give them any ideas. 😉

    • BeeKaaay

      Won’t happen. When it comes to making the death panels part of the legislation, the leftwingwacko animal rights protestors will scream bloody murder. Then the legislation dies by being tabled.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Headhonch-OSquirrel/1435551441 Headhonch O’Squirrel

    #DumbitDownforLiberals Veterians died and Obama lied.

  • http://www.freedomreconnection.com/ FreedomRecon

    Good point

  • BeeKaaay

    #DumbitDownforLiberals: You can’t help workers by seeking to punish their employers.

  • BeeKaaay

    #DumbitDownforLiberals: If you soak the rich, everyone else gets wet. That’s guaranteed.

  • BeeKaaay

    #DumbitDownforLiberals: Taking us back to 1917 Russia is NOT moving forward!