Despicable: Libs claim layoff bomb is ‘revenge’ by ‘un-American’ business owners

Libs are already out in full force trying to excuse and minimize the layoff bomb created by President Obama’s destructive policies.

Business owners are heartbroken by the massive layoffs necessitated by Obama’s reelection and the certainty of further economic burdens. And many more layoffs are in the works.

But is the president to blame for that? Pfft. According to Obama apologists, it’s those petty, vindictive Rethuglicans tossing around pink slips like they’re confetti. It’s all about spiting Obama by collapsing the economy, natch.

Twitter libs are hard at work pushing this narrative for the lapdog media to run with.

Despicable.

Elections have consequences and these consequences were completely predictable. It’s President Obama who framed the election as an opportunity for revenge, not the thousands of businesses devastated by the Obamacare mandate, the War on Coal and other destructive policies.

President Obama is scheduled to deliver a statement on the economy today. There’s no crummy video about Islam to blame for these layoffs, but somehow we expect he’ll find a way to pass the buck for this unfolding economic catastrophe.

  • radjahshelduck

    Well, at least all those laid off people can become graphic designers working out of their homes. Like Julia.

    • http://twitter.com/thetugboatphil TugboatPhil

      Or like SanFranNan said, they can write a book or travel.

    • Finrod Felagund

      Yep. If you have a job, put away as much money as you can. Hunker down, go Galt when you can, it’s a long way to 2016.

  • https://twitter.com/Guy_Montag_OG Guy_Montag_OG

    At least they didn’t blame George Bush.

    • therantinggeek

      They’ll still try to find a way to blame him.

    • fuskiegirl21

      Ha Ha that is funny! It’s George Bush’s fault for all the layoff’s good one.

    • Mark Stephens

      Yet. Just wait for it.

    • stuckinIL4now

      Yeah, before they’re done Obamacare will be Bush’s fault.

    • http://twitter.com/who_me_too RadicalRebelWhoMeToo

      Not yet! 😉

  • http://twitter.com/MaryUK Mary

    HOW stupid are these people, the recovery has been slow because of uncertainty surrounding Obamacare, NOW they know whats coming it only makes sense to adjust business model to keep business afloat!!!

  • Hiraghm

    This will lead to Directive 10-289 if they’re allowed to perpetuate the lie…
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AF9QT43uDQU

  • West_Coast

    Let me be clear. We small business owners have read the bill (unlike the buffoons who passed it) and let me tell you, the layoffs are 100% because of what’s in it, and we cannot afford it.

    • http://twitter.com/thetugboatphil TugboatPhil

      WC, I sincerely hope that employees with Obama stickers on their cars will be given head of the line privileges for pink slips.

      • stuckinIL4now

        The guy in Vegas to laid off the 22 employees said that several of his employees came to work Wed wearing Obamuh t-shirts. Don’t know how many of them got laid off but I’m sure a few of them did.

        • Cyborg0012

          I just hope all 22 were were Barky supporters.

        • http://profile.yahoo.com/QSVJEUNHYOTAZUPB3KKUE7Y7G4 Steak

          Awesome. Hope they got sued for illegal retaliatory firings. I love it when conservatives lose money over their crybaby temper tantrums. Also, case in point #6.

          • Christian

            good luck with that.. you seem to be as legally knowledgeable as you are economical y knowledgeable

          • FriendOfReality

            Idiot.

            If Obamacare and regulations add to the cost of doing business and make it more difficult to turn a profit, a business owner has to do certain things to ensure that they can stay in business.

            If you were running a business and then suddenly one day the government sent you a letter and told you that they were taking half of your profit, what would you do?

            Nothing?

            Or would you look for a way to cut costs?

            These businesses have 2 choices.

            They can raise their prices so that a plate of food will cost you $75 or they can start cutting their payroll, because in the case of Obamacare, THAT IS WHERE THE COSTS ARE COMING FROM.

            You go out and start a business, risk YOUR MONEY and put your hopes and dreams on the line, and then let us know how much you like the current administration.

            it would be a completely different story – I GUARANTEE IT.

            The CEO of Darden was/is a BIG OBAMA SUPPORTER. He donated a TON of money to his campaign. Now that Obama has won, he is cutting his workforce

            So, he essentially voted for the regulations and obamacare, now he is laying off his employees and cutting their hours. ironic?

          • Grumpa Grumpus

            @FriendOfReality:

            Bravo!

            I went in Friday for the last visit with my Oncologist, and got in a ferocious argument with an ObamaZombie– my fault, really. I’m old enough to know better, but it’s ignorance was painful – like a pebble in your shoe, you know what I mean?

            It was crowing about how Der Dingleberry™ was going to get us off oil and into wind & solar— I guess as a comment of a magazine article in the issue of Time(?) it was reading.

            But then the loud noise about how the “evil businesses are raising prices” started.

            I swear I couldn’t help it— as I said it was my fault, I was spoiling for a fight…

            I pointed out that this vain attempt to force the country to unready energy methods was driving prices.

            > Anything that needs manufacture will use energy to make.

            > Gathering and/or refining tge materials takes energy.

            > Moving goods from pkace-to-place takes energy— during manufacturing and to point-of-sale.

            > Packaging takes energy— the container’s (usually) made of oil, and takes oil to produce.

            There was more, but I should have (literally) saved my breath. All I got was that I was a “hater and racist”.

            /sarc
            Well. Ok… that’s not something I’ve ever been called before, right?
            /sarc

      • West_Coast

        I don’t hire employees who subscribe to my ultimate demise. Although, I can spot an ‘O’ supporter a mile a way.

        It’s easy.

        • TheITWizard

          As an ‘O’ supporter working in a heavily repub state (under an employer who supported Mitt) I must say what you say is disapointing, just because someone has a different view then yourself doesn’t mean that they won’t be hard workers. Repub’s want to preach individual freedom and small government until someone doesn’t agree with their positions.

          • http://twitter.com/wenegne Tamara D. Clark

            anyone who supports obama’s policies is absolutely untrustworthy to a capitalist. ‘untrustworthy’ is a perfectly legitimate reason NOT to hire someone.

          • http://profile.yahoo.com/QSVJEUNHYOTAZUPB3KKUE7Y7G4 Steak

            Case in point.

          • http://twitter.com/wenegne Tamara D. Clark

            you’re dismissed, steak. ya know…if y’all didn’t wanna deal with the fallout from obummercare, then your hero leaders shoulda read the damn thing before they passed it

          • Wendy Pollock

            how in the hell do u think that someone is untrustworthy just because they believe in the political party that helps their fellow man instead of the party that should be called the “me,me me, i only love me ” party???? u need serious mental help.

          • jsolbakken

            You got it exactly backwards. Anyone who thinks I owe the world a living is untrustworthy because that attitude is the attitude of a criminal. A criminal is someone who doesn’t respect other people’s rights. Their REAL rights, not their phony balony communist rights. I have a right to what I have produced; you have a right to what you produced. If you try the old communist switcheroo and say that I owe you your living and you owe me my living you screw up everything, especially the incentive structure necessary to get intelligent productive efforts out of people over the long term.

            Also, Love means you don’t enslave your fellow man to pay your bills anymore. Love is not demanding that your fellow man pay your bills for you. How can you say you love me if you’ve made me your slave?

            The love stuff is the biggest most demonic lie of all.

          • http://www.facebook.com/lenny.beard.7 Lenny Beard

            IT’S MY MONEY! I earned it and I should have some say in who gets it. Why should I support some lazy jackass that just wants free drug money?

          • http://twitter.com/SandraHopes2 Sandra Hopes

            Frankly if it weren’t illegal, I would require knowing if you voted for O before hiring anyone. You get the government you deserve, and you were warned many times but chose not to listen that this would happen if O won re election. All you heard was he was going to give you free stuff, well even O Care isn’t free and you have to buy it job or no.

          • lcky9

            hire from word of mouth.. people who voted for Romney have family/friends who are out of work.. let the word out..

          • http://profile.yahoo.com/TVJU3Z5RYUJBSIXKGMRNNSEJDQ Mike Johnson

            I would also recommend not donating to ANY charity which isn’t military or veteran related. It’s time for Obama to take care of his base via only our taxes. They voted for dependency, let ’em have it.

          • cmdorsey

            The problem they still haven’t digested yet is, the nanny govt can hand out 25,000 healthcards to people, but good luck finding a doctor to use it. United States of Stupid

          • Man of Little Means

            Thank you for that. As a healthcare worker I can say that a lot of Doctors are saying they are seriously considering stopping Medicare patients. A lot of doctors now do not accept medicaid but when Obama says he’s going to pay for Obama care by reducing reimbursements then doctors are saying they don’t want medicare patients. You can’t force doctors to take patients. while hospitals can’t refuse patients but all this will make the ER’s even worse. since DRs wont take pts. more will be forced to use the ER as their Primary Care Physician. Young people today think all DRs take Medicare and Medicaid. lokk in your phone book and you’ll be surprised to see who doesn’t . This is why Obama wants the single payer so he can take over DRs and force every doctor to see medicare/medicaid patients. 2014 promises to be an exciting year

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1393387937 Aurora Mero Cooper

            Many young people are deciding not to become doctors now and some doctors are deciding to retire now instead of having to deal with the new system coming. This of course means a doctor shortage on the horizon.

          • Wendy Pollock

            these people who work hard all their lives deserve to reap their rewards for doing right and paying taxes, by refusing medicare, u are just showing ur greediness. some of these people are how i will be. i probably will never own my own home, probably never have a car newer than 10 or 15 years old, i work 40 hours a week at 7.75 an hour, get no government assistance. but doctors, lawyers, ceo’s, make millions upon millions of dollars a year, own SEVERAL brand new cars, own more than one beautiful home, never worry about bills, go on shopping sprees, and care less about their employees like me who work on our feet 8 hours a day, shop at thrift stores, drive clunkers, and live in shabby apartments. if u were a true american, u would see how ur employees are doing right by u and doing their job and giving 100 percent, and u should say to urself, “yes this loyal hardworking employee deserves a bonus” but no, ur greedy asses want to hoard millions of dollars in the bank, just letting it build interest, knowing that u can’t take it with u when u die, but u would rather it go up in flames than to be kind hearted and help ur fellow man. all of u people i’ve read tonight are the most mentally screwed up people i’ve ever read an opinion from, ur narrow minded, greedy, egotistical, psycopathic, hateful, judgemental, and repungnant. i hope all of u lose in the stock market, then are forced to live life struggling check to check, like so many of us are doing.

          • Darth_Venomous

            i work 40 hours a week at 7.75 an hour

            And, given your level of intelligence as shown here in your bleatings, I can see why.

          • http://dubyad.enjin.com/ Doobie

            Pure unadultrated socialist bovine excrement. That is what you have written. You blame those who earned what they have for achieving their goals is the true sign of your socialist ideology and beliefs. It is called ‘Class Envy.’ Your inability to own a home, a brand new car, or have a job that makes more than $7.75 is on you. Not someone who is successful. They earned it the old fashion way. You want a piece of that pie? Then earn an education that will aid you in achieving your goals. Quit your bitching about what others have and you have not. You want it, go out and achieve it. That’s what this country founded itself on. The government is not the means to an end. Depending on socialist politicians to pass laws to give you what you desire is the same as stealing it as you did not earn it. A true American patriot would strive to earn and achieve what they want through hard work and dedication. Not by being envious of someone else and belittling them as evil and doing harm to the “worker” for their success. Until such time you decide to get off your sulking arse, you will remain a progressive socialist liberal lemming, nothing more and most certainly nothing less. If this offends you and anyone of your like minded socialist lemmings, good! Use it as a motivator to achieve your dreams. If not, it is on you, not me or anyone else who enjoys the fruits of their success. Quit drinking the koolaid and do something to make your improve your own life.

          • jsolbakken

            Why do you say you care so much for the people who worked hard and paid into Medicare and want their benefits, but you hate and despise and want to screw the people who also pay into Medicare but think it is a wasteful and evil scam?

          • jsolbakken

            My idea was to float a boat out in international waters and run a hospital there. And not allow DemonicRats to go there.

          • Wendy Pollock

            i’m so glad it is illegal, because your stupidity and ignorance would make this unemployment problem even worse. how can people hate others so much????? what the hell did someone do to you????? are u envious of someone who is a democrat and therefore want to destroy all democrats???? why are u all mental as hell????

          • jsolbakken

            Look into your own deceitful and wicked heart and you will know why it is so easy for normal people to hate you. Your attitude is evil; you are a criminal through and through because you hate people who earn their living honestly and love the lazy who want everything handed to them.

          • jsolbakken

            It is not illegal to SMELL THE COMMUNISM and reject them on the basis of that character flaw.

          • sally1137

            Actually, it’s very easy to tell. Ask them to tell you about a challenge or problem they had at their last job. If they blame someone else, the voted for Obama.

          • Just Another Guy

            Part of that individual freedom you are expressing includes the right of association.
            And a freedom to run our business pretty much any way we want, with the people we want working for us.
            It isn’t a “right” of yours to work in my business.
            I can’t discriminate against a worker for many reasons, but for their political views, that might in some way affect my business? You bet I can.

            Deal with it. You won. And you lost. At the same time.

          • lcky9

            wait for 6 months when these people figure it out.. maybe sooner and maybe they will figure it out..

          • http://profile.yahoo.com/TVJU3Z5RYUJBSIXKGMRNNSEJDQ Mike Johnson

            It doesn’t matter anymore. The time for self-correction is over, so any awakening will be too late. These morons sealed America’s fate.

          • http://profile.yahoo.com/QSVJEUNHYOTAZUPB3KKUE7Y7G4 Steak

            Feel free to leave, chief. Nobody will miss you.

          • cmdorsey

            Chief? That sounds like you hate indians. Why do you hate indians? Huh? why? Oh, we need a new law. You are a DOPE, chief

          • Myke Carter

            He meant idiot-in-chief.

          • jsolbakken

            “Feel free to leave, chief. Nobody will miss you.”

            Ha ha ha…but you will miss the jobs he created…ho ho ho…and the taxes he paid to support your commie system…hee hee hee!!!!

          • Christian

            America has recovered from worse.. well this may be our biggest recovery effort to date. I have faith that the 50% + of America who are strong will survive. The other people, I have no faith in whatsoever.

          • Myke Carter

            If the socialists disappeared, America would survive and thrive. If the conservatives disappeared, the socialists would have to eat each other to stay alive. Human history would start from scratch again.

          • lcky9

            never to late.. although the right had better make up their minds to NOT continue on their same path of rewarding equally those that do for themselves and those that do not,, THAT will be the ONLY thing the left gets.. doing more with less and sharing among ourselves is the key,..,

          • http://dubyad.enjin.com/ Doobie

            No amount of time given to these progressive socialist liberals will allow them to figure anything out. They are brainwashed by the socialist ideology and cannot accept anything that does not conform to their beliefs. They will blame Bush, republicans, and all conservatives for their woes, except themselves. Accountability and responsibility are not part of their vocabulary or beliefs.

          • Wendy Pollock

            u sound so ignorant, and hateful.

          • Grumpa Grumpus

            @Wendy Pollock:
            Ah! “Hateful”!
            You zombies use that word a lot, but it doesn’t mean what you think it means.

            Coming from someone who wants to spay/neuter other human beings, against their will— just like their Progressive Daddies did to poor Mexican-Americans and poor blacks in the 1960s!

            DemonCraps were so angry when conservatives put a stop to that! I think I still have some of the newspaper clippings of their squealing over that!

            They were almost as angry you, and the current crop of Progressives are, Deary…

            But, because Conservatives don’t want people to be owned by the federal government, we’re hateful!

            Spend some money on a dictionary, please! It’s impossible to have fruitful conversations with people who don’t know the actual definitions of the words they use!

            What’s next? Are you going to “lovingly” wish conservatives die?

            Well Deary, you’ll get your wish soon enough. I got a call from the Oncologist in charge of my case.

            The cancer I’ve been fighting for years has won, it seems. I’m definitely going to be dead by mid-January, but probably soon.

            So, since I know your type, that you’re going to ‘wish you conservatives die’, cheer-up! In atleast one case you’re getting your wish!

            Oh! And please learn how to write a cogent sentence, for everyone’s sake, both Progressive and Conservative, ok?

          • sally1137

            God Bless you, and keep you and make His Face shine upon you.

            :'(

          • Croaking Toad

            Well, when you get to the other side, put in a good word for us still back here dealing with O. Good luck, and happy trails.

          • http://dubyad.enjin.com/ Doobie

            Pot, kettle, black. If the truth hurts, maybe you should take a hard look in the mirror young lady. Maybe then you would understand. However, until such time you will remain ignorant, hateful, and disrespectful of anyone who does not agree or espouse your socialist ideology fed to you by your government schools and socialist teachers. By the way, I noticed your english grammar and sentence structure is lacking. They teaching ubonics as the new normal for communicating in your government socialist schools today?

          • jsolbakken

            “u sound so ignorant, and hateful.”

            And u sound so stupid evil and crazy.

          • http://twitter.com/CnsrvtvCitizen B. Mooney

            Don’t hold your breath, Icky9… If after the first four years and they still voted for O and his policies, you actually think they’l figure anything out now?

          • Myke Carter

            They were giddy about letting the Bush tax cuts expire back in 2008. I say let ’em expire. Yes it will hurt all of us badly for a time but there’ll be proof beyond doubt how stupid they’ve been all along and many will figure it out. #RockBottom

          • http://profile.yahoo.com/QSVJEUNHYOTAZUPB3KKUE7Y7G4 Steak

            Case in point. What is this, the fifth one? You people admit that this is what you do. The layoffs ARE your fault.

          • $22639970

            Does it hurt to be as stupid as you are, meat, or are you simply numb from the neck up? Why don’t YOU hire ’em all and show us all just how easy it is.

          • YaseminaM

            At the end of the day, with minimal employees working in your establishment, you are the one losing. NOT the American people. Your employees can always get another retail job, or another job at a small business (let’s face it, you are not director of a hedgefund), but YOU who are so adamant that you can’t afford health insurance for those employees? Well, guess you’re going to have to pick up the slack and work at your own business now, aren’t you?

          • tompro97

            What a stupid, inane comment to make – did you even read what you wrote??? You are a prime example of the typical Obamabot.

          • Croaking Toad

            Obamabot …. hmmm … good one, I’ll have to use that. :)

          • Lailah

            No, I’m not losing, the American people are. Most businesses (yes, idiot, including retail!) are NOT going to be hiring. And I’ve put in 70+hours of blood, sweat, and tears into my business for the past several years. Come back when you’ve grown up and have had to take out a second mortgage to meet payroll.

          • Man of Little Means

            Now that is so stupid. the word small is just that small. You don’t call a corporation a small business. They are called small business for a reason. Now unlike a liberal there are thousands and thousands of conservatives looking for a job so if you want to leave please by all means go. Don’t think everyone in the country shares your narrow minded approach to things. You think because Obama won the election that everybody is a liberal. . Maybe you should look at the election results county by county and when it comes to land mass sorry but the GOP owns more than half the country. Just because you own the crime ridden inner city doesn’t make you the speaker of all

          • le

            Yes, hedgefund managers! LOL Boy, the irony of that.

          • $22639970

            “Well, guess you’re going to have to…. work at your own business now, aren’t you?”

            Yeah, dimbulb, just like small business owners do every stinkin’ day. Only indolent welfare cheats like you think that business owners don’t work their businesses. It must be hard for a ward of the state like you to realize that a business owner is not a welfare office.

          • jsolbakken

            “Your employees can always get another retail job, or another job at a
            small business (let’s face it, you are not director of a hedgefund), but
            YOU who are so adamant that you can’t afford health insurance for those
            employees? Well, guess you’re going to have to pick up the slack and
            work at your own business now, aren’t you?”

            More abject dumbness. The former employees are having a hard time finding those other jobs. The self employed, like me, are more likely to be able and willing to work their little businesses without any stupid lazy asswipe employees. I was telling the world 20 years ago that I would never ever ever ever ever ever ever hire an employee because they have too much rights and not enough obligations. I saw too many other small business owners working to benefit their employees more than themselves 20 years ago and I said, “screw that!!!”

            Now I have more company in that sentiment because the situation is so much worse.

            So, dummy, meditate upon the fact that I not only *feel* that I cannot afford to pay health care for lazy bums, but I can’t afford their unemployment insurance, workmen’s comp insurance, their sick pay, vacation, Christmas turkey…you name it, I can’t afford it, so, yeah, like you said, I pick up my own slack and do my own work and eat my own bread with quietness, like God said I should do.

          • http://www.facebook.com/lenny.beard.7 Lenny Beard

            What business, Obamacare and the regulations he has helped put in place are closing busineses…..good luck finding a decent paying job at >30 hours a week, or maybe you can go on unemployment like the rest of them for 2 years and still not have a job when that runs out! Maybe we can all go to mexico and let them have the USA….as it goes down the drain!

          • Man of Little Means

            This is one reason i would never ever go public with a company. I built mine I own mine. My company my rules. I would close before I let the government manage it.

          • Wendy Pollock

            basically, u dumbass idiots think just because someone is a democrat that their lazy and can’t be trusted???? omg, i’ve never seen such immature childishness and greed in grown men and women

          • Just Another Guy

            Wendy, Wendy, Wendy…

            Try to keep up, sweetie. We’re talking about Liberals, not Democrats. In particular the “Give me mine” group that hasn’t worked for what they have..just expected it handed to them.

            Not all Liberals are Democrats and not all Democrats are Liberals.

            Greed? You say that like it is a bad thing. Of course, like EVERYONE, we’re greedy. Ask the Obamaphone lady…she wants that Obamaphone. She’s greedy.

            Do we mind sharing what we have? Of course not. Who gives more to charitable organizations? Who actually pays more in taxes? Just compare Biden and Obama’s charitable giving over the past decade as a percentage of income to that of Romney and Ryan.

            Or even Michael Moore and other Hollywood Liberals. What’s their percentage of charitable giving?

            The answer is pretty obvious.

            HOWEVER, we don’t like being bled to death. We work hard for what we achieve, financially or otherwise. And we share in that achievement.

            It isn’t people like the Obamaphone Lady that make it possible for people to get jobs. Or to prosper and perhaps achieve as well.

            Now, please get educated. Try to stick with facts and reason instead of emotion. Perhaps then we can have a discussion with you instead of a rant from you.

          • jsolbakken

            I’m talking about DemonicRats. They are evil in its most pure form in the flesh on the earth. You’d have to be an actual demon spirit to more evil than a scumbag vicious bloodthirsty DemonicRat.

          • Just Another Guy

            Wendy,

            Did you just cut and paste? We saw this in another thread already.

            Same answer: It isn’t Democrats…it is Liberals. They aren’t the same thing, though more Liberals are Democrats.

            I know some fine Democrats that voted for Romney. We go shooting at the range, too.

            And as for greed…those that want their “free” obamaphones aren’t greedy? Puhleeze….

            And of course, you resort right away to an ad hominem. Which means basically “I can’t refute what you say, so I’ll call you names and try to distract from the discussion.”

          • Myke Carter

            Amen! Not “FORWARD.”, “FOREWARNED!”

          • Maebe

            Amen

          • Maebe

            Amen

          • Candice

            That’s bullshit. You seem to be the ones not agreeing with us.

          • http://profile.yahoo.com/TVJU3Z5RYUJBSIXKGMRNNSEJDQ Mike Johnson

            As an ‘O’ supporter, may the new year bring you unemployment, a higher cost of living, and long lines at the doctor. The gloves are off, pinko. Enjoy the reality of your vote!

          • kathy

            maybe all the hollyweird left wing nuts can help support all the masses laid off by O’s policies !!!!! since they helped put him back in!

          • Elaine

            ARE you serious? You think I want to shut down my family business after it has supported us for over 35 years with a LOT of blood sweat and tears? Grow up!

          • bananafanafo

            Well since you are a O supporter, Let’s start re-distributing ALL your belongings to some1 poorer than you. Someone is always poorer than the other guy – that’s how the rich vs poor race card survives. Looking around your neighborhood and see who has less than you, immediately start distributing till all is equal – WE will send MSMBC reporter to cover and get this moving along!!!

          • http://profile.yahoo.com/QSVJEUNHYOTAZUPB3KKUE7Y7G4 Steak

            Oh look, another delusional right-wing crackpot who doesn’t understand how the system works. Shocked, I tell you. That’s okay, keep worshiping rich people and letting them control 80% of the country’s wealth. Because you’ll totally be one of them, someday. Or maybe that’s a delusion. Probably the latter.

          • Christian

            well you have voted in a guy who will make sure you are not comfortable or not worrying about money. Yes you will work you entire life with no respite. Grow up, deal with your decisions.

          • http://twitter.com/writebrainrd writebrainrd

            I’m sorry, but there is no limit on the amount of money a person can make. There is no such thing as 80% of unlimited.

          • Man of Little Means

            I would much rather the business control 80% than the Government own 80%. you wouldn’t even exist if it weren’t for business. How would you eat, if couldn’t even take a crap if some business hadn’t created toilet paper and the toilet. Now let’s look at Government. The post office not doing so well. Amtrak, really not, doing so well. The GSA such a fraud and waste, so many government buildings sitting around empty. The only thing the government does right is the military and that is because of discipline and the UCMJ. The bottom line is “Business can survive without the Government but, the Government cannot survive without Business” so like you guys say “Live with It”

          • $22639970

            Oh, the rich irony of Steak, the delusional, left wing, economic illiterate, having the arrogance to believe that he knows enough about the world of grown ups to critique the understanding of those who make it work.

          • jsolbakken

            You are dumb because you won’t see that the people you should hate are the scum who use the government to get rich, like Ross Perot and Warren Buffett. Honest rich people like the Chinese guy who owns the dry cleaner down the street from me is not evil just because he drives a nicer car than I do.

          • http://profile.yahoo.com/QSVJEUNHYOTAZUPB3KKUE7Y7G4 Steak

            That’s because they don’t actually believe in individual freedom. They believe in economic hierarchy and authoritarianism.

          • Christian

            It is not the different point of view, that is what America is about and what separates America from all other countries. Freedom to express and be yourself is the American way.

            Facts are Obama and ACA are poison to a business. Obama has never run a business never done anything really except further his own agenda. He treats business like they are the enemy, he treats the military the same way.

            You voted him in after clear, factual information was presented to you on numerous occasions. Now you must deal with your vote just as we must deal with your vote.

            The left’s retort to each and every warning was to shout loud and continuously. The right or anyone who did not agree with you was a racists. You were wrong, you divided a country and have sent us down a financial rabbit hole. Deal with it, be a grown up.

          • http://twitter.com/CnsrvtvCitizen B. Mooney

            Amen!

          • Martin

            Your shortsighted views will ultimately put him out of business . He has every right to not want to hire you and those like you.

          • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IZRVOLE4RBQVISSE6MNUIHUVWQ Flashman

            Dear TheITWizard:

            It’s obvious you’re an “O” supporter: your spelling (as well as your sentence construction) is classic public school.

            You were cheated out of a good education.

            The source of that was liberal based education policies, pushed by Democrats for the past 50 years.

          • cmdorsey

            We conservatives really didn’t give a damn what you did behind your own doors or what your opinion was. Freedom of speech. But when you stuff your views down our throats by passing these stupid laws, doesn’t seem quite intelligent to me. We were minding our own business, running our businesses, but that is just too much for you parasites. No compromise. It’s your way or the highway. it’s cheap and disgusting

          • http://jvhproductions.com/ Juan Valdez

            Your an idiot Romney’s supporters didn’t do this. if you liberals would have read the healthcare bill yourself instead of listening to the media many of you wouldn’t be crying now. Your goals was to try and stick it to anyone who voted for Romney, But looks like it’s backfired and many of you will be fired.This is so funny seeing you liberals heads explode

          • Man of Little Means

            And liberals want to preach less freedom and bigger government until they run the country.

          • le

            I work with O supporters and each one of them to a person wants something given to someone else with someone else’s money. It’s sorta like when I write to my congressional critters who want the redistribution of wealth and ask them if they mind cutting their salary in 1/2 to make us equal. Guess how many progressive, liberal democrats I’ve got that have taken me up on that offer?

            Do you hear crickets?

          • $22639970

            Start you own business with your own money, Mr. Wizard, and show us some of this fabled economic talent that all you Obamasses brag about. We’re all keen to learn.

          • jsolbakken

            ” Repub’s want to preach individual freedom and small government until someone doesn’t agree with their positions.”

            What is that supposed to mean? I DO preach individual freedom, and responsibility, and preach that “small government” is the way to get those things. And when someone disagrees with those positions, there is no “until” involved…I keep on preaching the same thing.

            I think you are not very well practiced in the art of thinking, dude. No wonder you are an “O” supporter, because nobody with a functioning brain would fall for “O’s” communist garbage.

            The nonsensical blithering idiocy of your last statement is all the proof YOU need to convince you that you need to learn how to think.

        • Cheryl Clark

          West Coast I will say this dont judge someone by looks alone. I am disabled and NOT a Obama supporter I just want a job and if it has medical all the better. But I would just settle for full time work even at minimum wage.

          • http://pennyrobinsonfanclub.net/ PennyRobinsonFanClub

            I think he means more that they’re the ones coming up demanding a job like they’re doing him a favor by condescending to work for his filthy lucre. By the way, all the best to you.

          • West_Coast

            Cheryl

            Thank you for your excellent comment. I will hire you based on the content of your character. I welcome anyone…let me repeat that…ANYONE…of any ability who has honest intentions. I will treat you as a decent, hard working sovereign individual. I respect anyone who wants to work and better themselves. I will not however, hire any individual who i perceive may be harmful to the overall security and profitability of the company. I generally pay above the going rate at the desired position to keep good employees as long as they want.

          • bananafanafo

            Healthcare bill is going to limit the hours to 30hours, so must company’s doing 28 hour work weeks. But these Democrats have NEVER run a company to even know how to read the bill!

          • Aztec01

            Best of luck in your search.

          • Man of Little Means

            Cheryl there’s a difference in those who want to work and earn a decent wage and those who just want a decent wage. Your biggest asset right now is your attitude. That’s what I look for in an employee. I would rather pay someone who is willing to work for less than a college grad who just wants a paycheck. I would pay that person more. But I have always treated my employees as family. While I can’t afford to buy them healthcare if they or one of their family members get sick I do what I can to help to include paid time off to spend with a sick child if it’s only for the flu. I respect my employee’s and all i ask from them is an honest days work for an honest wage. You’ve got a lot going for you Cheryl

        • kathin9

          Would that be the I’M A STUPID IDIOT TATTOOED ACROSS THEIR FOREHEADS?

        • http://profile.yahoo.com/TVJU3Z5RYUJBSIXKGMRNNSEJDQ Mike Johnson

          Is it the incessant drooling or the overwhelming sense of entitlement that gives them away?

          • Guest

            Obamaphone and EBT cards gives them away.

        • http://profile.yahoo.com/QSVJEUNHYOTAZUPB3KKUE7Y7G4 Steak

          Case in point.

          • cmdorsey

            Case in point. Are those the only 3 words you know? Duh. Grow up, dummy

        • freddy

          that “zombie” look?

          • Croaking Toad

            Yup, it’s the zombie shuffling down the street stiff and blank, chanting in a raspy voice, “rrrraaacccissssmmmm …. aaaagggggahhhh…. “

        • cmdorsey

          We are damned if we do, damned if we don’t. Good thing we have govt. helping us with all those anti-this anti-that laws. Ohhh, I’m feeling the security. I realize everyone has to learn the hard way sometimes, I have, but why the hell do these zombies have to pull US thru their nightmare with them. DRONES

        • bomber

          Discriminatory hiring practices much?

          • le

            It’s their business not yours. If you want to hire people looking for a handout, then do so with your OWN money.

          • $22639970

            Discriminatory economic penis envy much?

        • ShifoBrains

          You can always tell an Obama supporter – you just can’t tell ’em much.

        • $22639970

          They are doubtless the lazy asses who show up late if they show up, and don’t carry their weight when they are there.

      • lcky9

        most of the Obama supporters were smart enough to NOT use the stickers this time since many that did last time were the first to go..

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/QSVJEUNHYOTAZUPB3KKUE7Y7G4 Steak

        Case in point for my previous post.

        • Rob Britt

          You do realize that your plethora of “cases in point” only work in your diseased little libtrash mind, don’t you? We’re more than smart enough to follow what you think you are saying. It’s just that you’re not really saying it, or anything of relevance for that matter. Excuse my use of plethora above. I know it’s a big word for you-means “lots of”. You might think of it as “Steak wants a plethora of food stamps” or “Steak wants King Hussein to give him a plethora of other people’s money”. You get the point.

        • $22639970

          Have you ever had an original thought? You certainly haven’t much of a vocabulary.

    • Streetiebird

      You can’t afford another $62.50 per employee per month? Your business must already be in trouble!

      • Concerned

        You havent read the bill!!!

        • Streetiebird

          You haven’t either!!!!!

          • SpinMeNot

            I have … I will be spending nearly $7000 dollars more next year due to taxes alone and that fact that in order for my full time employer to afford my health care, my deductibles have doubled (more than half of that $7K) and I don’t employ anyone. You are an idiot, liar, a waste of skin and a candidate for organ donation.

          • Streetiebird

            You’re so kind :) Thanks for being a compassionate conservative.

          • HARP2

            Welcome to Obama`s utopia……..sucker.

          • Streetiebird

            Four more years! :) Welcome to FOX’s distopia, sucker! They invented the War on Coal narrative, and so when Obama was re-elected coal stocks dropped like a stone even though the coal industry is doing great under Obama.

          • GoSellCrazySomeplaceElse

            Again, you have no idea what you’re talking about. The new regulations on ‘clean coal’ makes it nearly impossible for coal companies to continue. They just can’t afford it and will continue to close operations I believe that you are either trying to make people angry or you’re a complete imbecile, either way, you’ve become a big waste of time.

          • Streetiebird

            Yeah, these strangling regulations that will save thousands of lives, just disgusting.

          • Marcy Cook

            Thousands of lives…until you go before the independent panel and they decide your life isn’t financially worth saving. Good luck with that one.

          • Streetiebird

            You mean like right now where PROFITS decide whether people get the care they need? Good luck with that one.

          • SpinMeNot

            Hey idiot, its just going to get worse. Nobody gets turned away from a hospital for lack of insurance in the US, if that hospital receives federal funding of any kind. Furthermore a private hospital must provide any and all care necessary to ensure the health and safety of any patient prior to transferring that patient to a hospital that accepts federal assistance.

            I take a pill for a chronic condition. I don’t respond to the drug that new laws require the doctors to prescribe. My family doctor has been told that the government

            Federal Law, passed in 1995. I’ve benefited from that law. Again, you are showing your ignorance and your inability to defend your position.

          • Streetiebird

            Yeah, I’ve heard the whole “Emergency Room is better than Obamacare” line before. But you must already know that Emergency rooms are THE MOST expensive way to provide care.

          • SpinMeNot

            I’m not talking about ER care you moron. I’m talking about long term major medical hospital care. Are you mentally deficient? Seriously ? Are your parents cousins?

          • Streetiebird

            Still, forcing taxpayers to pay your bills at the hospital is one of the worst solutions to our healthcare crisis I’ve ever heard. It’s actually a step backwards…

          • SpinMeNot

            My God you are a low grade moron. Seriously — WTF do you think Obamacare is going to do? Instead of the government paying for it directly, anybody who pays for their own insurance is paying for you. All the money the government has comes from tax payers. So now tax payers that have insurance are paying more in taxes and more in insurance.

            Can you do math? Money does not appear out of Obama’s stash.

            I thought my wife’s bassett hound was dumb … Jimminy Cricket you make that dog look like Stephen Hawkings …

          • Streetiebird

            LOL :) I love that conservative line. Taxes come from people, so the government doesn’t exist! It’s like a magic trick!

          • SpinMeNot

            Nobody said that idiot. I know you are baiting me. I don’t care. I can do this all day.

          • Streetiebird

            Good for you.

          • http://pennyrobinsonfanclub.net/ PennyRobinsonFanClub

            I know you are but what am I?

          • Streetiebird

            Bob, is that you? I love your cute little fan site 😀

          • Streetiebird

            Ya’ll gotta check out the darling site Ice Cold Troll put together: pennyrobinsonfanclub.net It’s adorable!

          • Streetiebird

            What’s the matter Bob? Troll got your tongue?

          • Streetiebird

            You not gonna attack me any more Bob? I thought we had a thing going :(

          • Streetiebird

            Where are you Bob? I miss all your vicious nasty childish insults :(

          • Guest

            LOL! I just watched “Pee Wee’s Big Adventure”…don’t forget to add ‘infinity’ to the end of that statement Then YOU win!

          • Guest

            I’ll back you!

          • Grumpa Grumpus

            @Streetiebird:
            “Taxes come from people, so the government doesn’t exist”

            Uhhh. That statement makes absolutely no sense.

            Who is doing the taxing?
            People with firearms and badges.
            The government.

            If that’s the actual level of logical thought you have, as apposed to a provocative statement made simply to cause discord, you need to diagram the logic of your arguments.
            That statement was undiagrammable.

          • http://pennyrobinsonfanclub.net/ PennyRobinsonFanClub

            Really, it’s nothing but a troll doing what trolls do best — as you say, saying stupid things just to get a rise out of the grownups.

          • Bizness22

            Where does the money that pays government salaries come from? Now there’s a magic trick.

          • Guest

            Honey, I work in medicine…you don’t have all your facts on that one.

          • cmdorsey

            There won’t be any doctors to go to for these lib-wingnuts to use their fancy ‘free’ healthcare. Dense, Dumb, Delusional idiots

          • Guest

            Either change your drugs or seriously seek professional help.

          • jsolbakken

            Profits decide if anyone can afford to PRODUCE the care needed. Economics doesn’t care if you’re a capitalist or a communist. Profits are profits and losses are losses. People that don’t profit but instead lose go broke and starve to death. It happens all the time, but mostly before CAPITALISM was invented. Now that COMMUNISM has been invented to replace CAPITALISM the starving to death is going to make a big comeback.

          • SpinMeNot

            You know, I realize that you are some kid that is sitting in their parents basement, porn in one window, pleasuring yourself as you spew stupid crap here where there are people that actually have a command of the facts.

            Some us made an oath to never surrender, to never leave the man on our left or right behind. So as long as you want to prove you are an idiot and others are on the line, I’m going to be right there.

            Put up or shut up. Please prove how the clean coal regulations do anything other than increase the cost of energy in order to force people to either use less energy or be less able to support themselves without government assistance.

          • Streetiebird

            Dirty coal is responsible for thousands of deaths per year (more than a 9/11 per year). Clean coal does not. If you care that little about your fellow Americans then I’m surprised you took the oath without your fingers crossed.

          • SpinMeNot

            link — prove it. Show me one death in the general population that can be attributed to coal burned in a electric plant in the last say 50 years.

            You may be stupid enough to believe “because I say so, it must be so” is proof. The rest of us are waiting for you to prove your lies. Coward.

          • Streetiebird
          • SpinMeNot

            No you are. You don’t understand the difference between probability, possibility and plausibility.

            Predictions are not proof of anything, or do you believe in astrology as well?

          • Streetiebird

            So even if the predictions are 99% wrong that means several people will die due to coal pollution this year alone. But by all means, don’t look it up yourself, you might realize how wrong you are.

          • SpinMeNot

            No it means no such thing. Lets start with the basics. I have 100 cups sitting upside down on a table. If there is a prediction that 1% of those cups have pea underneath them, I can look at all of them and not find a pea.

            I have a graduate degree in mathematics, probability and statistics. I am a scientist by vocation at this point in my life.

            A prediction says its possible, not probable. Probability is about uncertainty, not certainity. Statistics are used to analyze past events to create predictions.

          • Streetiebird

            Can’t hear you now that you’ve been so rude. Move along.

          • SpinMeNot

            Ok folks, I’m standing down. I’ve done what I set out to do. I’ve been rude .. *bangs head on desk*

          • Guest

            You have a cow because a few people will die due to coal pollution (not to negate that!), but you don’t care that a significant amount of people are having to close their doors due to the effects of Obamacare? Both are awful. Where are your tears for those people who have worked their asses off to build a business and now can no longer afford to have one?

          • Streetiebird

            “You have a cow because a few people will die due to coal pollution…” you ARE trying to negate it. More than a 9/11 per year is no big deal, but if someone gets fired then you have a cow.

          • SpinMeNot

            Give me an email where I can send you my home address. Come to my house and say that. Bring friends, bring lots of friends.

          • Streetiebird

            Hey, relax.

          • Gallatin

            Prove it.

          • Streetiebird

            Here, in case you missed the link and can’t google it yourself: http://washingtonindependent.com/97196/study-predicts-13200-deaths-from-coal-pollutants-this-year

          • Gallatin

            The link means nothing, once again prove it.

          • Streetiebird

            LOL k :) I can’t prove it if you deny science, you’ve got me!

          • Gallatin

            13,200 deaths that can no way be proven is what you base your argument on? Okay here are some facts you can chew on:

            Life expectancy Kenya: 63.07

            Life expectancy United States: 78.11

            Yeah those coal fired plants in the United States are really causing us some serious harm. There causing us so much harm that the Kenyans would love to have them check for yourself :)

            http://www.reuters.com/article/2010/10/15/ozatp-kenya-coal-idAFJOE69E0CC20101015

          • Streetiebird

            Hilarious, well done.

          • Gallatin

            Even though you find it hilarious I’ll take it as a compliment and that I have actually given you something to think about.

          • Streetiebird

            Sorry to confuse you, it wasn’t worth thinking about, it was just a silly argument.

          • vphilly

            Attempting to dodge facts presented to you.

          • Streetiebird

            And you are just being annoying :)

          • SpinMeNot

            ok, thanks for the that; seriously, I haven’t laughed like that in years.

          • Streetiebird

            Glad I could help. Now maybe you’ll stop being so mean.

          • SpinMeNot

            I am not being mean. You’ve never seen mean. I am trying to teach you something, really I am. I’m not doing this to be mean, or because I enjoy doing it. I am doing it because I love this country, more than you can ever possibly know or I think perhaps understand.

            I want you to understand all the things that you’ve been told are true, by people in positions of authority in your life (mostly public school teachers) were fundamentally wrong.

            I want you and my grandchildren to grow up in a world with the opportunities I had, I want you to be able to have a better life than I had. But if you are not willing to open your mind and think, than you are doomed to be much less then you can be.

            If you will debate, rather than emote — this can be a great forum for an exchange of ideas.

          • Streetiebird

            This site is not a great forum for the exchange of ideas. It’s a place to throw around accusations without backing them up, so I’m being overly kind if I ever provide facts to back up my claims here.

          • SpinMeNot

            Please listen to me — I said it can be. And we all would be happy to have you help make it so.

          • Streetiebird

            I’d rather fight fire with fire :) Thanks though!

          • SpinMeNot

            Little person, you are a fool. You don’t have a match, much less a lighter. My command of the facts and reality mean you are trying to fight a F4 laying napalm from 300ft with a water pistol.

            I’ve tried to teach you, but apparently you don’t have anybody in your life that has ever taught you the difference between behaving like a baby that needs to be have their diaper changed and an intelligent thinking adult.

          • SpinMeNot

            Rack time, if there’s activity in the perimeter, somebody wake me.

          • Guest

            Then get the hell off this board. No one is asking you to stay here.

          • Ironhawk86

            “This site is not a great forum for the exchange of ideas. It’s a place to throw around accusations without backing them up”

            Yeah. Some of us don’t exactly like what you’ve done with the place.

          • Guest

            Careful…you might pull a rib out laughing that hard and have to go to ER…and Streetiebird might yell at you because it costs so much! (lol)

          • Guest

            LOL! And you’re not?

          • BeautifulAmerica

            Let’s talk about the real topic and quit paying this @#$@%’s salary.

          • Johnny Banco

            Streetietird isn’t a big waste of time – her utter retardation makes her a great punching bag for fun!

          • Guest

            Perhaps a sandbag for the next big rainstorm? That would be a good profession for Streetiebird.

          • http://pennyrobinsonfanclub.net/ PennyRobinsonFanClub

            My God, it’s completely insane. Or is it possible it never heard Sock Puppet’s famous “Under my policies, energy policies would necessarily skyrocket.” speech?

          • Bizness22

            Learn to spell dystopia LOSER.

          • Streetiebird

            Awww :)

          • http://twitter.com/yahneverknowCB yahneverknow

            lol. I guess I should have scrolled down first.

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002109532283 Jillane Kent

            War on Coal narrative? So the EPA is lying about the new regulations and fees levied on the coal industry? Phew. Can you contact the owners of my local overflow plant and let them know they don’t have to close now?

          • Streetiebird
          • WhiteFalcon1

            I can only assume your an idiot…my family and I delivered container full of food and household items over the weekend TO those imaginary laid off coal workers, numbnuts!

          • vphilly

            Pulling “facts” from liberally biased sources.

          • http://twitter.com/yahneverknowCB yahneverknow

            If you’re gonna spread it, at least spell it correctly: dystopia

          • Streetiebird

            OMG I MADE A MISTAKE I’M SO SORRY!!!!!!

          • http://twitter.com/yahneverknowCB yahneverknow

            That may be the first thing I’ve read from you today that was 100% correct.

          • Guest

            Only if that apology applies to all of Streetiebird’s posts…lol!

          • SpinMeNot

            You have to earn compassion and respect. Anybody that voted for BHO deserves neither. I’m through you liberal, progressive communist, delusional morons. You want socialism, move to France.

          • Streetiebird

            Well, since Americans overwhelmingly voted for a liberal agenda I think you are the one that may want to consider moving to somewhere more Conservative if you hate your fellow Americans that much.

          • SpinMeNot

            I don’t hate my fellow Americans — I hate people like you. You are an American only in terms of what you can take from others. Ever put on the uniform? Ever walk a beat? Ever pull another person from a fire? Ever give half of everything you own to a family that had just lost everything?

            Dont talk to be about being an American, you don’t know that that means. You are not worthy of my family, my friends, and all those others that have given everything to deny the obvious divide between those that do, and those that take. The blatant racism in the black-community. Its not about fair share, its about your share, even if that means taking it, rather than earning it.

          • Streetiebird

            Cool story… I think doctors should be socialized like the Fire Fighters and Policemen that you hold in such high esteem. And as far as racism in the black community, I think you’ve been watching too much Hannity and O’Reilly and listening to too much Limbaugh.

          • SpinMeNot

            Wow, I see you are getting your mileage out of that public school education. Firefighters and Policemen are not socialized, they are unionized. By definition, socialization of a profession involves the government taking over something that was once a private-sector enteriprise.

            They are often, but not always members of a union. And while I don’t believe that government office workers should be in unions, I have zero problems with police and firefighters having them. When crap like you have more rights than the police, they need all the help they can get.

            And yes, I acknowledge there are bad cops out that, that do bad things, so don’t go down that road ..

            For the record, I’m having a good time schooling you. Its been a long while since I’ve been on a battlefield, and you are making this a blast.

          • Streetiebird

            AHAHAHAHA!!!!!! So Police and Fire are private sector employees? Are you suuuure about that?

          • Bizness22

            He never said they were private-sector jobs. He said they weren’t socialized.

          • Streetiebird

            Then he’s only half wrong.

          • Guest

            And you’re not even close to being right! (let’s see if the troll gets that one!)

          • Streetiebird

            *roll eyes* Yeah I’m pretty far left, I wish Obama would come over here with me and stop caving to you guys. I’m still mad he caved on the public option. Oh well :)

          • SpinMeNot

            don’t listen to either of them. Michael Medved … every day.

          • Streetiebird

            LOL I can tell 😉

          • $129448

            Wow, what rock do you live under

          • Streetiebird

            The moon.

          • SpinMeNot

            Oh and overwhelmingly — idiot, the Liar in Chief had 8 million less votes than last time, and only 2m more that the other schmuck.

          • Streetiebird

            Yeah, only 2 million… bummer…

          • Marcy Cook

            And those 2 million are STILL dead. Go figure

          • Streetiebird

            LOL cute :)

          • v1cious

            The schmuck i’m sure you voted for.

          • SpinMeNot

            I did yes … lesser of two evils. I don’t trust him. We didn’t don’t need a moderate, we need a constitutional leader. I also sent him a healthy(for me) campaign donation the week before last.

            I was a Santorum guy.

          • http://twitter.com/thetugboatphil TugboatPhil

            You need to reevaluate what the word overwhelming means.

          • Marcy Cook

            Overwhelmingly? Are you completely delusional? 2 million more votes is not overwhelming support for a liberal agenda. And we don’t know how many of that 2 mil are still dead. And let us not forget the 3 million republicans who we know are alive and did not vote because they wanted a MORE conservative country than Romney was offering. Add that to the tally and Romney won…which means conservatism is stronger and higher in numbers than you believe. Once we get a truly conservative candidate the pendulum will swing the other way…it always does.

          • Streetiebird

            Sorry, but if Bush Jr. claimed to have a mandate when he lost the popular vote then I think a two million vote lead is pretty overwhelming :)

          • Marcy Cook

            And the 2 million are STILL dead. But I’m sure the “messiah” will resurrect them from the dead very soon.

          • Marcy Cook

            You lefties took all the compassion out of us. Now we fight back. Be afraid..be very afraid.

          • Streetiebird

            LOL is that some kind of threat :) I thought this election was when we were supposed to be afraid…

          • http://twitter.com/thetugboatphil TugboatPhil

            While you all have been taking “free stuff” from the gubmint, we’ve been buying ammo. We also know how to get food when the store is empty. Good luck with your urban dumpster diving.

          • Streetiebird

            LOL Phil you’re awesome :) I take nothing from the “gubmint”. And I’ve been spending money on buying a new house! Loving these low interest rates :) Hope that prepping pays off for you!

          • $129448

            The only reason the interest rates are so low is to keep the economy from crashing again.

          • Streetiebird

            And I’m doing my part to help it out!

          • Guest

            I hope you’re buying that house in another country…and for god’s sake, don’t breed!

          • Marcy Cook

            Keep laughing sucker.

          • Streetiebird

            I shall :) Keep calling people names and threatening them.

          • BeautifulAmerica

            Perfect example of leftwing religious bigotry. If this S*7@#bird had compassion she would think in terms of what benefits the country and not just her unreality-based phony ideas. Scorn.
            You talk big now, but YOU will be EFFECTED! For the worse. And it was totally your choice, your assinine “ideas.” Ha.
            NO compassion for the likes of you now.

          • Streetiebird

            Admit it, you had no compassion to begin with :)

          • BeautifulAmerica

            Dumba$$, Special Education Teachers are compassion personified. You have stamped out yours to live thru your ideology. Get lost, loser.

          • Guest

            I don’t know what I would have done without my son’s Special Ed teachers…they have the patience of a saint, and are truly compassionate, gentle people…ever see an SE teacher cry because of the pain they see a disabled child go through? I have…it gives me a little hope that there’s some compassion still left out there…but certainly not in any liberals I’ve come across lately.

          • BeautifulAmerica

            Thank you. Your son has taught you the meaning of love, gratitude, humility, and what’s important in life.

          • neills

            obamabot = fact-resistant zombie.

          • Streetiebird

            Obama derangement syndrom = what you get from listening to FOX and Limbaugh

          • vphilly

            Presented with facts, which you dodge.

          • Streetiebird

            Don’t worry about me hun.

          • http://twitter.com/who_me_too RadicalRebelWhoMeToo

            StreetieTurd hasn’t read the bill but is quoting “info” about it… XD StreetieTurd must be Nancy Pelosi!

          • Guest

            Oh God, don’t let him/her/it donate their brain!

          • SpinMeNot

            I was taught that it is polite to say thanks when somebody does something that brings a smile to your face. Thank you for that, priceless, absolutely priceless.

          • Grumpa Grumpus

            Actually. I have.

          • http://pennyrobinsonfanclub.net/ PennyRobinsonFanClub

            Nyah nyah nyah!

      • Kevin Krom

        Which is more likely:

        a) Hundreds of small and large business are acting in collusion to make Obama look bad and tank the economy, further damaging their own business, or

        b) These business owners know a hell of a lot more about their businesses than you do.

        • Streetiebird

          Hundreds? We’re talking about a handful, mostly owned by Romney supporters. The ones doing bigger layoffs for the most-part are involved in the medical devices industry which is seeing a tax, or they were already planning layoffs before the election such as Groupon. Good try though :)

          • Kevin Krom

            http://www.dailyjobcuts.com/ — and it’s only been a few days. Just wait a few more months and see how bad it gets.

            And, how is it that it makes sense to you that the medical devices industry is cutting back because of tax burden, and yet these other businesses should because of their tax burdens?

          • Streetiebird

            I’m sure that site isn’t biased or anything. We’ll wait and see :)

          • Kevin Krom

            It reports facts with no editorializing.

            I know that facts are like kryptonite to you, but it is what it is.

          • Streetiebird

            Cool story bro.

          • vphilly

            Denial and willfully ignoring facts supporting the reasons for these layoffs.

          • Pontiac Pete

            You are clueless. You obviously don’t own a business and you have no grasp of economics, or even math.

            It’s not just Obamacare, it is also a 4.6% + 3.8% = 8.4% rise in income taxes if your business earns more than $250,000. That is a LOT of money. For an individual with an S-corp, who has bank debt to pay…that money needs to be made up. So if your business income is $1,000,000 and you have to pay $84,000 more in taxes – you have to cut somewhere. I’m looking at a $170,000 tax hike – so I’m laying off 4 employees in 2013.

            The guys that are talking now are angry and thus symbolic. But the impact is going to be significant, there is no way around it. It is real, it is going to hit thousands of small businesses, and it has nothing to do with revenge – it has to do with making a bank payment and keeping the remaining employees employed. Cuts have to be made.

            Most liberals don’t understand this because they aren’t business owners and they don’t meet a payroll every week – it’s all funny math and class warfare to them. I’ve tried to keep it simple for you, but don’t say we didn’t warn you.

          • Streetiebird

            So fire people before it becomes a problem, got it.

          • Cheryl Clark

            Streetiebird it already has BECOME a problem to them. He already has to pay that amount come tax time even if he lays them off NOW. You are a total and complete education failure.

          • Streetiebird

            I appreciate your kind words.

          • http://pennyrobinsonfanclub.net/ PennyRobinsonFanClub

            I think it’s CleverBot!

          • http://pennyrobinsonfanclub.net/ PennyRobinsonFanClub

            OPEN YOUR OWN BUSINESS AND HIRE THEM. DO IT NOW BEFORE THEY STARVE IN THE STREET! You’re not one of those meanypants h8ers who wants people to starve in the street, do you? Then open a business quick!

          • Streetiebird

            Bad troll is bad at trolling.

          • Penmar

            Idiot, that’s how you run a business unless you want to wait til it becomes a problem like GM and go bankrupt, can promise Obama won’t step in to float any of the small businesses that will go under.

          • Streetiebird

            You’re right, we shouldn’t wait until things become a problem before we act! But I assume you’d disagree in the case of climate change, taxes, healthcare, etc…

          • Penmar

            First, there is no such thing as climate change, been debunked (we read the emails from Climategate, also changing the name from Global Warming to ‘Climate Change’ didn’t work, we still aren’t buying it.), you and Gore,are the only ones that still think it’s real. Gore was hoping to get rich selling carbon credits, but what is your excuse? Secondly, healthcare (and the taxes within it) along with raising taxes on the so called rich are the reason businesses are laying people off.

          • Streetiebird

            AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! This is why I hang around this site :) Comedy gold!

          • Penmar

            Glad I could help, been taking lessons from Jon Lovitz and Dennis Miller.

          • Guest

            Street, no malice on my part, just a peaceful exchange. Why not open your own business? Why not open up some customer service shop right now? Please just flat out explain it and we’ll talk friendly.

          • Streetiebird

            Sure, I’ll explain. Because I’m a professional worker and would rather work for an awesome company than try to start my own to compete. We’re an industry leader at the moment, so there’s no need :) Now how about you? Do you own your own business? If not, why are you not starting one right now?

          • http://twitter.com/yahneverknowCB yahneverknow

            You? worker?
            Go back to Reddit.

          • Streetiebird

            Yes. I assume you have a job, but I also assume it’s at a gas station.

          • $22639970

            Could you be a little more vague about your alleged career as a “professional worker”?

          • Streetiebird

            Software Quality Assurance Lead for an industry-leading company. How about yourself?

          • brianmouland

            Anything effing funny about people getting laid off or 47 million on food stamps A-Hole!

          • $22639970

            The best place to hide facts from leftist fools like S-bird, would seem to be newspapers and history books.

          • Streetiebird

            Newspapers? Where are we, the 1800’s??

          • $22639970

            I suppose that justifies your sloth and willful ignorance.

          • v1cious

            Better tell that to the east coast.

          • Penmar

            Look at the Dates 10 biggest Storms in the US, excluding Sandy, which may be the most costly, but not the most powerful, which happened in 1935.

            Agnes 1972,
            March 1962 “Ash Wednesday” Storm,
            November 1950 “Appalachian Storm”,
            1925 “Tri-State” Tornado,
            Hurricane Camille 1969,
            “Great New England” Hurricane 1938,
            1900 Galveston Hurricane,
            1993 Superstorm
            1974 Tornado Superoutbreak
            1935 Labor Day Hurricane-the most powerful hurricane ever to strike the U.S. coastline. It was a category 5 hurricane featuring wind speeds over 200 mph and the lowest barometric pressure ever recorded.

            A second list also with dates Storms based on the number of deaths:
            1. 1900 Galveston Hurricane – more than 8,000 deaths – People on this island off the Texas coast ignored the warnings and payed with their lives (Category 4).
            2. 1938 “Great New England” Hurricane – 700 deaths – People couldn’t believe it was going to hit so far north, but it did (Category 3).
            3. 1925 “Tri-State” Tornado – 695 deaths – Over 2,000 injuries and $17 million in damage (inflated today, over $159 million).
            4. 1935 Labor Day Hurricane – 423 deaths – Most powerful hurricane ever to hit a U.S. coastline (Category 5).
            5. 1974 Tornado Superoutbreak – 315 deaths – 140 tornadoes back-to-back-to-back hit the Mississippi Valley.
            6. 1993 Superstorm – 270 deaths – Everything from blizzards to tornados hit the eastern third of the U.S.
            7. 1969 Hurricane Camille – 256 deaths – Caused $1.4 billion in damage.
            8. 1950 “Appalachian Storm” – 160 deaths – Record colds, snowfall and violent winds.
            9. 1972 Hurricane Agnes – 129 deaths – Hit every east coast state from Florida to New York causing over $3.1 billion in damages.
            10. 1962 “Ash Wednesday” Storm – 30 deaths – The storm that stalled on the coast caused $200 million in damages.
            11. 1992 Hurricane Iniki – one of the most damaging hurricanes in United States history, devastates the Hawaiian islands of Kauai and Oahu.

            Top 4 most destructive Hurricanes:
            4) Hurricane Ike is in the top 4 for most destructive hurricane’s to ever hit with $24 billion (2008 USD) in the United States, with additional damage of $7.3 billion in Cuba, $200 million in the Bahamas, and $500 million in the Turks and Caicos, amounting to a total of $32 billion in damages.
            Hurricane Ike results in at least 195 deaths all the way from Haiti to Galveston and many places in between.

            3) The Great Hurricane of 1780-Holding the record as the deadliest Atlantic hurricane this storm devastated Puerto Rico, Dominican Republic, Lesser Antilles, Bermuda, and possibly Florida and other States.
            While the total damages are unknown the death toll was well over 22,000 people, more than any other decade of Atlantic hurricanes.

            2) Hurricane Andrew was the only named hurricane for the 1992 season but boy did it make it’s mark. Wreaking havoc across the northwestern Bahamas, southern Florida and southwest Louisiana. Andrew caused $26.5 billion (USD 1992) in damage though some sources place this number closer to $34 billion.
            Even with all the destruction caused by Hurricane Andrew the death toll was very low, with 26 deaths caused directly by the hurricane and 39 as secondary deaths.

            1) Still fresh in the memories of American’s, especially those from New Orleans, Hurricane Katrina was the costliest hurricane in US history as well as one of the 5 most deadliest ever recorded. Knocking out levies in Louisiana Katrina caused over 80% of New Orleans to flood before moving into the northeastern United States dumping rain all across the area.
            By far the largest natural disaster to ever hit the US Hurricane Katrina is $80 billion (2008 USD) in damages and killed 1,836 people with 705 still missing.

            In all of this data, there is nothing to suggest a trend of increasing violence among storms, based on cost, Sandy may be the most expensive storm in history, but that is based on the concentrated number of people living in the northeast.

          • $22639970

            One unusually severe storm hardly constitutes proof of anything other than…an unusual storm.

          • Just Another Guy

            Distractors, Streetie. Libbie tactic to deflect from the thread.
            Business people aren’t stupid nor are we evil.
            But we make good decisions and can recognize a red herring when it flops in our face.

          • jsolbakken

            Ha ha. Climate change is a problem, but communism is not. Yeah.

          • Streetiebird

            HAHAHAHAHA this is why I come around here :) For the comedy gold! I love it when people don’t know what Communism is and deny the science of climate change, and you got two with one sentence! Incredible! Gold Star!

          • Belinda Henry

            So its your thinking that you should take the money you banked for yourself and spend it on employees until you have close your doors. Sounds like a plan.

          • Just Another Guy

            Yep.

            You let people go. You delay replacing equipment. You don’t expand or take out loans you can’t pay back. You do everything you can to find a way to stay in business and make some money.

            Because otherwise the business fails.

            But at some point, you look at the books. You look at your predictions for future business. You look at the costs that will rise or fall.

            And then you do what you have to do to survive.

            Which, in my case, was to just shut the doors because it isn’t worth staying in business anymore. The cost/benefit analysis comes up short.

          • jsolbakken

            Duh. And you think you aren’t stupid!!!!

          • Cheryl Clark

            I am sorry you are having to lay off anyone. I have been looking for work for four years now. I mean looking each and every day several hours a day. I would LOVE a job any job at this point.

          • Belinda Henry

            Cheryl I’m not sure what qualifications you have but hospitals are always hiring on some level.

          • http://twitter.com/BlissDesignz Tabitha Taylor

            Libs don’t understand much. Like the fact their Marxist fantasy has always failed MISERABLY for societies living under it. They do not understand no politicians will ever love them like their Mommy & that the private sector is what creates wealth & freedom. They’re clueless & I only hope for their sake(s) they don’t have kids they will have to one day explain to, how they helped kill what we knew as “the American dream”. The one thing I could agree with is that libs need birth control given to them & plenty of it!
            And well said. I’ve realized no matter how simply I try to explain things to libs & no matter how many links to undeniable facts I send them, they never seem to get it. It’s frustrating but I think they live based on emotion, which asshats like Obama seem to understand & use. If they only looked at his record & the facts surrounding him they’d see he’s not their friend. He’s an evil, evil man. Ironic his “war on women” meme considering because of him, thousands upon thousands of women now live under Sharia law. The most cruel war on women ever to exist.

          • v1cious

            Laying it on a bit much there, Shakespeare? Christ, you guys are such drama queens. Can’t you ever make a statement without it being some ridiculous essay?

          • jsolbakken

            Hey, if you look at Marxism not as a political ideology but as a vicious death by murder cult, then you can’t say they failed, not after killing over 100 million people in the 20th century!!!! Given their objectives, communism could be the most successful movement in the history of the world.

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002109532283 Jillane Kent

            My daughter’s moronic ex boyfriend used to say “cool story bro” all the time. He was 17. What is your excuse for your abysmal rhetorical skills?

          • Streetiebird

            The internet :)

          • BeautifulAmerica

            Don’t you remember that ObaMao forced these companies to WAIT until after the election to lay off employees to make him look better? “He” is despicable, and you will see a whole lot more of this happening now, plus the added benefit that YOUR taxes are going to skyrocket, and you will be poor. So take that.

          • Streetiebird

            Oh do prove that Obama had anything to do with these Romney supporters waiting. I would LOVE to see a link where Obama was involved.

          • vphilly

            Denial and attempting to shift blame from his holy idol.

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000127377899 Jeff Davis

            Try Lockheed Martin. they were told by obama to wait and now thousands will be layed off. it was reported here on the news

          • http://pennyrobinsonfanclub.net/ PennyRobinsonFanClub

            Sock Puppet LITERALLY engaged in a criminal conspiracy by offering to pay for Lockheed’s legal expenses in return for breaking the law.

          • r_coplin2001

            From what i know is that any company that is going to have plant closings or mass layoffs has to give their workers 60 days notice under the WARN Act.Also the goverment will pay on litigations and liabilities for any company that decides to layoff people after the election if they decide to actually lay off their workers on January 2nd because of the looming budget cuts.

          • Takiwa

            What, we’re now responsible for your education too? Look it up yourself, hint; use the search engine in the upper right hand corner of your screen. Enter this:”Lockeed Martin asked to defer layoff notices for over 120,000 employees until after election” (which is also illegal) but you can start there, Streetiebird. Have at it.

          • Streetiebird

            Got it, thanks.

          • Christian Turner

            actually comes to about 207,000 due to lay off aftr the election.

          • Cheryl Clark

            Streetiebird um the Obama administration asked Boeing to wait on lay off notices til AFTER the election. BTW Boeing was another big Obama supporter and now are laying off.

          • Streetiebird

            Interesting stuff, thanks.

          • gman213
          • Streetiebird

            You are correct, and I quote: “As long as the likelihood and timing of contract cancellations remains speculative, an employer is not obligated to provide WARN notifications.”

          • IBXNJ

            The same thing happened with Solyndra. They were told by the Obama Administration to delay the layoff notices until AFTER the 2010 election

          • http://twitter.com/BlissDesignz Tabitha Taylor

            Are you saying the the companies who work for the government defense department among others are Romney supporters? Most waited because they hoped the businessman could end Obamas war on business & many waited because Obama asked them to (illegally) do so until after the election to make him look better. Don’t be a total idiot. Businesses will lose 50% of their profits due to Obamacare. Of course that’s according to Forbes & you may believe their in on the conspiracy. This is nothing. Just wait, you will see most big companies relocating abroad while inflation goes through the roof. Thanks to Obama’s EPA & blocking domestic drilling you will see $10 / ga gas soon enough & we will be saying “told ya so”.

          • jsolbakken

            The way out is to accept the loss of 50% of the profit, but in such a way that the amount of work done, the amount of time spent, the amount of risk taken, the number of employees hired, and the amount of capital invested, is reduced proportionally rather than maintained at the previous level. That is what’s best for most individuals, and it also explains why this is a depression coming at us at warp speed.

          • Darth_Venomous

            Oh do prove that Obama had anything to do with these Romney supporters waiting. I would LOVE to see a link where Obama was involved.

            Here you go, dumbass.

            Game, set, match. Thanks for playing, Tweetyturd.

          • Streetiebird

            LOL!!!

          • Darth_Venomous

            Denizens of Twitchy, behold one of the hallmarks of the delusional: Laughs hysterically when he gets his ass handed to him.

            Shame that “LOL” is your best response, Tweetyturd – but I figure that’s your problem, not mine.

          • vphilly

            Denial and attempting to minimize and discredit a website that provides the facts behind these layoffs. Casting accusations without a shred of proof.

          • Michelle Blackwell

            Well, what is the penalty paid if the business complies with the law?

          • Cheryl Clark

            Michelle um you do realize that penalty is above what they owe they don’t get out of it by just paying the penalty.

          • Streetiebird

            Casting accusations without a shred of proof. That should be the new Twitchy tag-line :)

          • Red Fred

            You cannot reason with a person void of the capacity to reason. They just want to argue, but refuse facts. Hope they enjoy Obamaland when we all have no jobs to pay for people unwilling to work.

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002109532283 Jillane Kent

            CNBC has piece on the layoffs that have recently been announced. You do not have to wait and see, go there now. Come back after you’ve armed yourself with fact instead of rhetoric.

          • Streetiebird

            Yeah, already read it, thanks though!

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002109532283 Jillane Kent

            So, we stand in agreement as to why the layoffs are occurring at such a rapid pace, right? You’ll summarily cease arguing the obvious now I assume.

          • Streetiebird

            Yes we agree that it is some spite, and some new policies.

          • http://twitter.com/wellreadchef pkfarquhar

            You can’t be that much of an idiot to think that the owner of a business would lay people off for spite. My god, grow up. This isn’t high school. Business owners live daily with the knowledge that their actions affect families. It’s a terribly painful decision to have to lay people off. I know, because I’ve done it. Agonizing. And I will do it again if the economics demand it.

          • Just Another Guy

            Making a claim for something not in evidence? Typical Liberal.
            Your logical fallacies are showing, Streetie.

          • http://twitter.com/yahneverknowCB yahneverknow

            Oops. I think Twitchy crashed it. LOL

          • HARP2

            My doors will be shortly closing. 45 good workers……….gone.

          • Streetiebird

            Why? Obamacare won’t effect you…. So you’re doing it out of spite like the rest of these businesses I assume? Or are you in the medical device industry?

          • Shawn Smith

            How do you know more about how HARP2’s business runs than him? Are you omniscient suddenly?

          • Kevin Krom

            Remember, all liberals know what’s best for everybody. I know this to be true because they keep telling it to me.

          • Streetiebird

            I could ask you the same thing. He already said how many employees he has.

          • Shawn Smith

            I’m not contradicting his statements about what will happen to his own business. I suppose he could be lying, but I have no real reason to assume so, and I suspect he’s thought long and hard about what will happen to him, his employees and his family.

            You’re the one who claims to know better than the man who runs the business what will and won’t happen to it.

          • Streetiebird

            But he won’t answer, so we’ll never know.

          • vphilly

            Why should he answer you at all, O Self Important One?

          • Garth Haycock

            You lack reading comprehension. Harp was saying that he had to layoff 45 employees, not that he had 45 total employees.

          • Streetiebird

            LOL!!!! “My doors will be shortly closing. 45 good workers……….gone.”

          • Guest

            He may still have employees, but not enough to keep his doors open long.

          • Streetiebird

            You aren’t making sense, try to keep it together.

          • vphilly

            Perhaps you’d like to post some suggestions as to how all these business owners could hold on to their workers, since you seem to know so much on the subject. I mean after all, since you are criticizing, you must have a better solution, right?

          • GoSellCrazySomeplaceElse

            If replublican owned businesses were in cahouts to make Obama look bad, why wouldn’t they have issued pink slips before the election? Again, as always, it shows your thought process to be deranged. The problem with the liberal left is that they are missing the ‘reasoning’ part in their brain. It’s a lot like common sense. You can’t teach it.

          • Streetiebird

            Because firing people before the election makes no sense… O_o Unless you’re talking about trying to manipulate job numbers by shooting your own business in the foot…

          • Shawn Smith

            But you’re saying that they’re just shooting their own businesses in the foot now. If they were willing to do that, they would have done so earlier in an effort to get Romney elected.

          • Streetiebird

            ohhhhkay

          • vphilly

            Note that this clown has nothing to say when faced with logic.

          • Streetiebird

            Note that this commenter contributes nothing.

          • Finrod Felagund

            Speak for yourself, jackass.

          • Streetiebird

            Like he was speaking for himself? He’s been trying to get a rise out of me.

          • http://pennyrobinsonfanclub.net/ PennyRobinsonFanClub

            And just wtf are you doing? You’re obviously not making any contributions either, except to spew your lunatic talking points. Gawdammit, halfwit, people are starving in the street, and all you can do is pound the keyboard and play with your mouse! Go open a business quick!

          • Penmar

            And like you weren’t?

          • Guest

            Apparently it’s working, because you continue to post your ridiculous tripe.

          • http://pennyrobinsonfanclub.net/ PennyRobinsonFanClub

            And you contribute nothing to the economy. GO OPEN A BUSINESS AND HIRE PEOPLE, QUICK!

          • Guest

            What are you, 5? Unless of course you are referring to yourself as ‘this commenter’.

          • brianmouland

            Your parents say the same thing about you birdbrain

          • Just Another Guy

            Ya know…we could have fired them all before the election so that the unemployment numbers skyrocketed.

            But we didn’t, because we want to succeed and bring those that work with us along and help them succeed as well.

            We didn’t fire them until we saw the writing on the wall.

            And while I wasn’t employing over 50 people, I was going to be negatively impacted by the new laws in a variety of direct and indirect ways.

            It is those indirect ways that made me make the call to close.

            A business doesn’t run in a vacuum, Streetie. We rely on customers and other businesses who supply us with services and supplies, for example.

            I’d suggest you try to take a couple classes at your local college. Economics, macro and micro, to start. Accounting.
            Heck, just get a business degree and start your own business. THEN you might have a chance to understand what we’re talking about.

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002109532283 Jillane Kent

            People were waiting to see how the health care law, EPA regulations, and tax scenarios played out. Now we know and must act accordingly.

          • Streetiebird

            Wow, scary people… Next time my guy doesn’t win I’ll viciously take it out on my closest associates.

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002109532283 Jillane Kent

            Would you be more pleased if businesses simply folded?

          • Streetiebird

            Obviously not, but to fire people before the problem becomes a problem seems like spite to me.

          • SpinMeNot

            Street — let’s start at with the basics again. I have a company, I employ myself. I get a few customers, I hire a person to help.

            The expense of employing that person gives me some money left over each month, but not a lot. The government changes the rules. I know that money is going to go away. If I kept that person on, and I don’t have money to keep the lights on. I have to let that person go. Waiting until the company is in trouble is too late.

            It isn’t a question of is it nice, the world is not a nice place. It is a question of being able to possibly hire that person back again when things get better. If the business is gone, there is no chance of that.

            When it is a problem is too late.

          • Streetiebird

            Fine, just don’t fire people out of spite and we’re all good here.

          • SpinMeNot

            Street — please. It is plausible (that is, expecting the worst from some people, it might happen) that there is some mean spiteful person that is pissy over the results of the election and takes it out on someone, in the manner you suggest.

            I would be as equally disgusted by such an action, if not more so than you. The assumption being made by the left is that since the person doing the firing is a Republican/Conservative that it was done out of spite, and that is the only possible explanation.

            What about the person that vandalized my truck, sitting in my drive way, in the neighborhood where I’ve owned a house for 28 years. Its not a fancy neighborghood, my wife and I raised our boys there, its home. its 1300sq ft. Its the only house I’ve ever owned. They tore off my romney/ryan sticker and keyed the driver side of the truck.

            I’ve left that damage there to remind me of why I care, and because while I could get it fixed. I don’t need to. I can hang to the money in case I really need it.

          • Streetiebird

            I’m glad you admit it’s plausible. Now next time you talk to someone, try to not call them a moron immediately, it kind of messes up the whole discussion.

          • SpinMeNot

            Ok, I’m done trying. I am giving you facts, you refuse to listen and confirm those facts. The term moron is used to describe the intelligence of a person that while physically older than between 8 and 12 years of age, suffers from a developmental disorder that prevents them from learning at a level outside or that 8 to 12 year old range. You are exhibiting that behavior. You are the 8 year old that refused to accept there is not a tooth fairy.

          • Streetiebird

            Wow, so those are the facts you’re trying to give me? That I am developmentally disabled? And here I thought we were getting along. Gee… thanks…

          • Red Fred

            No one is obligated to give you facts. Do your own research, it’s the only research you will find satisfying.

          • Guest

            My son is developmentally disabled and he understands this a lot better than you do! It’s a SIMPLE concept.

          • Lailah

            I have a 9 year old son and 11 year old daughter, and they get it better than you do. But then they don’t go to government school….

          • Streetiebird

            Well bless your heart :)

          • http://pennyrobinsonfanclub.net/ PennyRobinsonFanClub

            You’re not a moron, you’re a ffkking crazy lunatic retard a$$hole. Now gtfo and OPEN A BUSINESS AND START HELPING PEOPLE!

          • Guest

            Condescending, aren’t you.

          • Streetiebird

            Same to you fella :) This guy called me a moron in his first comment then basically asks me to be nice to him LOL

          • Cheryl Clark

            The ONLY people that are saying they are being fired out of spite are ones like YOU.

          • Streetiebird

            I’m just reading between the lines from the layoffs at employers like the one in Vegas. Laying off 22 employees out of 114 seems far more than enough to cover the extra cost of doing business. And he says how his employees are mostly hispanic and some wore Obama shirts. SHIRTS!!! So if you truly believe all of these layoffs are legit then that’s fine, but it sure seems too convenient to me.

          • Cheryl Clark

            Streetiebird UNLESS you have a crystal ball and look at the companies balance sheet you cannot say what the reason is. Maybe part of it IS politics. Maybe they were illegal alliens and he/she found that out. Maybe just maybe it was nothing more than a business decision that had to be made to keep the doors open for the rest of his staff. BTW Vegas has one of the WORST economies in the country. People don’t come to spend their money there if there is no money to spend. Guess that causes major layoffs in businesses there from the big casinos and hotels and motels in the area to a host of other service industry jobs.

          • Streetiebird

            I’m glad you see it my way :) Unless you have a crystal ball you cannot say for certain why he fired so many employees.

          • Guest

            LOL…”I’m glad you see it my way”…I know what you are now! A liberal recruiter! Got it!

          • Christian Turner

            http://www.cnbc.com/id/49729998 care to explain????

          • Guest

            Reading between the lines? Oh…so now you have special powers?

          • Streetiebird

            Condescending, aren’t you.

          • elijahzabmom

            Streetbird is either trolling or an idiot.

          • Guest

            It IS possible to be both 😉

          • Red Fred

            Really? Well maybe you should step back, and actually build a business before offering recommendations of how someone should handle theirs.

          • Guest

            Then we’re all good, because NOBODY is firing people out of spite…(SMH)

          • jbgoldcanyon

            It would be so much more acceptable to the left if the owners sold their homes and lived in cardboard boxes in order to serve the need of the left. Sorry people you were warned about this but due to only watching MSNBC, you missed the memo

          • Takiwa

            However, now if we sell our homes the 3.5% sales tax just for selling a home, will automatically be deducted at the time of sale! This new law goes into effect on Jan 1, 2013. There are many more surprises along the way.

          • Guest

            Yeah…I saw a refrigerator box in the alley tonight…I can move in there – “Casa Whirlpool”.

          • Linds

            Wait…you have a job??? I’m surprised you can hold one down. Are you this much of a flaming asshat at the workplace, too? I’m sure you already know the logic behind the layoffs. You’re just using 5th-grade b!tch-fight tactics to try to stir the pot. Obama’s policies are deadly to a lot of businesses out there, and you know it. It seems that you don’t actually care, though, as long as you get a 2nd term for your idol. I’m so glad the adults are in charge! Oh wait…

          • http://pennyrobinsonfanclub.net/ PennyRobinsonFanClub

            He means his case worker.

          • Penmar

            I think he’s a math teacher.

          • BeautifulAmerica

            THIS is her job, thru MediaMatters/Soros. They get paid $1.50/hour.
            Ignore this twit.

          • Penmar

            You do that, we wouldn’t really mind seeing a few libs get a taste of their own medicine for a change.

          • Red Fred

            You do that. You and others like you have already taken it out on your neighbors and those trying to build a business and make a living.

          • jsolbakken

            If those associates are your employees and you cannot cover their payroll on payday anymore then you have no choice than to take it out on them. It would be an economic imperative. Oh, unless you can get them to work for free. Then of course they can keep their jobs.

          • vphilly

            Denial and asininely suggesting that “Republican” business owners are in cahoots to ruin their own lives, just to make the Holy One look bad.

          • Streetiebird

            Not contributing to the conversation, but instead defending mean spirited business owners that are ruining people’s lives out of spite.

          • Cheryl Clark

            What part of business owners don’t have to be nice they are in in it to MAKE money not worry about your feelings. I have seen some good businesses both small and large go out of business in my community. Want to know what every owner has said to me. It is due to the economy and the cost of running my business as to why I am shutting down. I cannot afford to pay more for benefits when I am already running in the red. My creditors are not like the feds that can keep running up debt with never paying it back they want their money and I don’t have it.

          • BeautifulAmerica

            Imaginary!

          • Guest

            Yeah, I seriously don’t think anyone has time to do that.

          • Cheryl Clark

            Streetiebird are you sure you even WENT to school your logic is seriously flawed. If they were really wanting Obama to look bad they would have done it BEFORE the election to skew the unemployment numbers (not that they were not skewed in Obama’s favor to begin with). Here is an interesting little fact for your little brain to think about the economy was fine under Bush UNTIL January 2007. What happened to change that was the democrats taking over both the house and the senate. That is when the economy went down hill and fast. So guess what that firmly and completely puts the blame on Obama NOT on Bush or the GOP.

          • Streetiebird

            Yeah it was fine, we had two unfunded wars, a massive deficit-funded tax cut for the rich, added costs for seniors healthcare, deregulation of wallstreet and our banking system, which was great until those nasty Democrats took over!!!

          • Christian Turner

            The day the Democrats took over was not January 22nd 2009, it was January 3rd 2007, the day the Democrats took over the House of Representatives and the Senate, the start of the 110th Congress. The Democratic Party gained a majority in both chambers for the first time since the end of the 103rd Congress in 1995.

            For those who are listening to the liberals propagating the fallacy that everything is “Bush’s Fault,” think about this:

            January 3rd, 2007, the day the Democrats took over the Senate and the Congress:

            The DOW Jones closed at 12,621.77

            The GDP for the previous quarter was 3.5%

            The Unemployment rate was 4.6%

            George Bush’s Economic policies SET A RECORD of 52 STRAIGHT MONTHS of JOB CREATION!

            Remember that day…

            January 3rd, 2007 was the day that Barney Frank took over the House Financial Services Committee and Chris Dodd took over the Senate Banking Committee.

            The economic meltdown that happened 15 months later was in what part of the economy?

            BANKING AND FINANCIAL SERVICES!

            THANK YOU DEMOCRATS (especially Barney) for taking us from 13,000 DOW, 3.5% GDP and 4.6% Unemployment…to this CRISIS by (among MANY other things) dumping 5-6 TRILLION Dollars of toxic loans on the economy from YOUR Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac FIASCOES!

            (BTW: Bush asked Congress 17 times to stop Fannie & Freddie -starting in 2001 because it was financially risky for the US economy).Barney blocked it and called it a “Chicken Little Philosophy” (and the sky did fall!)

            And who took the THIRD highest pay-off from Fannie Mae AND Freddie Mac? OBAMA

            And who fought against reform of Fannie and Freddie?

            OBAMA and the Democrat Congress, especially BARNEY!!!!

            So when someone tries to blame Bush…

            REMEMBER JANUARY 3rd, 2007….THE DAY THE DEMOCRATS TOOK OVER!”

            Bush may have been in the car but the Democrats were in charge of the gas pedal and steering wheel they were driving the economy into the ditch.

            Budgets do not come from the White House. They come from Congress and the party that controlled Congress since January 2007 is the Democratic Party.

            Furthermore, the Democrats controlled the budget process for 2008 & 2009 as well as 2010 & 2011.

            In that first year, they had to contend with George Bush, which caused them to compromise on spending, when Bush somewhat belatedly got tough on spending increases.

            For 2009 though, Nancy Pelosi & Harry Reid bypassed George Bush entirely, passing continuing resolutions to keep government running until Barack Obama could take office. At that time, they passed a massive omnibus spending bill to complete the 2009 budget.

            And where was Barack Obama during this time? He was a member of that very Congress that passed all of these massive spending bills, and he signed the omnibus bill as President to complete 2009. Let’s remember what the deficits looked like during that period:

            If the Democrats inherited any deficit, it was the 2007 deficit, the last of the Republican budgets. That deficit was the lowest in five years, and the fourth straight decline in deficit spending. After that, Democrats in Congress took control of spending, and that includes Barack Obama, who voted for the budgets.

            If Obama inherited anything, he inherited it from himself.

            In a nutshell, what Obama is saying is, “I inherited a deficit that I voted for,

            And then I voted to expand that deficit four-fold since January 20th, 2009.”

          • http://twitter.com/mister8nine Emmanuel Stubbe

            sorry, a lot of what you say is inaccurate and incorrect. you say barney frank initiated the continuing of spending in 2001 considering Fannie mae and mac, but you say yourself he wasn’t in charge of the financial services committee until 2007? more importantly, fannie mae was forced by g.H.Bush (a republican) to facilitate affordable loans to low-income status, starting the future problems. in 2003-2004,markets started to move away from GSE’s to mortgage backed securities. this happened as fin institutions wanted to maintain earnings levels that had been elevated during 2003 by an unprecedented refinancing boom due to low interest rates. Sub prime lending was (as already mentioned) forced on freddie mac and mae. this laid the groundwork for the mortgage crisis in 2006, and is the origin of the “economic meltdown” you speak of, the financial crisis in 2007/2008. You can’t blame this course of events on the democrats.
            Thirdly, the whole deficit thing was also due to economically insane tax cuts for the rich, given with borrowed money by bush and his fiscal hawks. You can thank Dick Cheney for that. so yes it’s bush his fault.

          • Crash Redux
          • Lailah

            You can lead a lib to facts, but you can’t make him think.

          • http://twitter.com/mister8nine Emmanuel Stubbe

            bush was responsible for the 2008/2009 budget with the largest deficit :14 trillion. obama couldn’t do much about that when he was elected in nov 2008. so the debt crisis has it’s origins in the economic policies of the bush years. If you look at the origins of the crisis, why it happened, this is undeniable. so yes, the blame is on the GOP and Bush

          • http://pennyrobinsonfanclub.net/ PennyRobinsonFanClub

            If he isn’t getting paid to churn this diarrhea out I’d have to say he’s literally clinically insane.

          • Red Fred

            There are those pesky facts again. :)

          • Bizness22

            Wow, don’t even know the difference between “affect” and “effect”? Go back to school moron.

          • Streetiebird

            It won’t effect or affect you. And this is obviously the same person who is now dodging our questions.

          • Bizness22

            “Our?”

          • BeautifulAmerica

            Oh yeahhhhhhh. Another Soros minimum-wage employee trying to hold on to her psuedo-job. Ignore this trash.

          • http://twitter.com/yahneverknowCB yahneverknow

            Royal “we.”

          • TexSizzle

            He/she/it has a mouse in his/her/its pocket.

          • Guest

            Don’t you include me in ‘our’…I’d like to stay as far away from you as possible…liberalism might be contagious, and I know there’s no cure.

          • vphilly

            “Our” questions? You’re the only one doing the interrogating here. But again, where are your solutions to the problems faced by these business owners. Surely you have some sound and saavy business advice to help these people hold on to their workers, right?

          • Streetiebird

            Here’s my advice: Wait until a problem becomes a problem before you fire all your workers.

          • http://twitter.com/yahneverknowCB yahneverknow

            LOL.
            ‘Cuz being reactive and not proactive is the best way to run a business.
            Oh, dang. That’s what FEMA does, isn’t it?

          • Bizness22

            Buy your kid a helmet after they’ve fallen from a bike and cracked their skull open. Brilliant!

          • Streetiebird

            LOL are you one of these people that thinks we should eliminate FEMA and let the state experiencing a disaster try to pay for it themselves?

          • http://twitter.com/yahneverknowCB yahneverknow

            Just to humor you…

            If FEMA stays around, it needs to actually do shit.
            Like prep for a storm they know is coming 5+ days in advance. Simple stuff. Water. Generators. Gas logistics.

          • Streetiebird

            Yeah cause FEMA did nothing…

          • http://twitter.com/yahneverknowCB yahneverknow

            pretty much.

          • TexSizzle

            To prepare, true.

          • Guest

            Thank you! I finally heard from my mother-in-law and sister-in-law that they ‘just’ got back power last night…after 10 days without it…it was freezing (literally below 32 degrees in the house and they could see their breath), they had little food, very little gasoline, some water, and no power…and it took a crew from Michigan to fix the power in their area, not LIPA…there is NO excuse for FEMA not having things in place ahead of time…they had plenty of warning…

          • konservative1

            Like you said “they had plenty of warning”. Why didn’t your relatives plan ahead? Why are you whining about not getting help from the federal government? I thought you republicans and birthers were all about not needing the government?

          • Guest

            First of all, they did plan…they planned for 7 days without power…it ended up being 10…I’m ‘whining’ as you call it about FEMA, because my dad used to be a contractor for them here in CA, and he told me a lot of stories that would probably get me arrested if I were to share them here…and for your information, I’m neither a republican or a birther, genius.

          • konservative1

            You seem to think that restoring the power grid is a FEMA responsibility. It is not.

          • Guest

            Agreed…however, it is up to FEMA to coordinate services, etc. Look it up…there are a lot of people, including the governor of NY, who are not entirely happy with the LIPA.

          • konservative1

            Hey ok, it just seems that people blow things out of proportion. I grew up farming and hunting and I worked for 10 years as a Lineman.

          • ws209

            What type of business do you own?

          • Takiwa

            I don’t know, lets call them…wait they’re closed today due to snow.

          • Streetiebird

            And yet people stubbornly deny climate change exists, priceless!

          • http://pennyrobinsonfanclub.net/ PennyRobinsonFanClub

            Jeebus ffn xmas. What next, gonna Godwin the thread?
            GO OPEN A STORE, QUICK!

          • TexSizzle

            We don’t deny climate change exists; the climate is *always* changing. We do not take it as a matter of religious faith that humans are responsible for it, despite all the evidence to the contrary and total lack of evidence, other than what has been created by the true believers, to back it up.

          • Streetiebird

            I’m not saying it’s humans causing it am I? But the GOP is the party of scientific denial. Just look at the stink they made over the leaked climate change emails. You’d think there was some serious fraud involved the way the rightwing media was talking about it…

          • Ironhawk86

            To borrow a brilliant line from a column by Pat Sajak, I’ll believe global warming’s a problem when you hypocrites act like it and modify your own behavior. In fact, that goes for juts about all leftists policies. Put up or shut up. And we all know you will do no such thing and just dictate to others.

          • Christian Turner

            Then what? Close their doors or be proactive and prevent their own families from ending up on the street? Streetieturd you’re nothing more than a fucking troill, Twitchy should do its site a favor and remove your’e posts since you are obviously doing nothing but baiting anyone trying to have an intelligent conversation. Its obvious you’re a govt check collecting loser, who else would have all damn day in this shitty ass economy to spend doing nothing but harassing people who are informed and have a clue?

          • Streetiebird

            So much anger, you should try meditation, or yoga!

          • Guest

            How about you go find a job!

          • Streetiebird

            I have a great job, thanks! :)

          • Guest

            Hey…dingbat…it’s a problem NOW!

          • vphilly

            Denial and ludicrously suggesting that business owner would destroy his own business just to spite the Holy One.

          • Cheryl Clark

            Streetiebird what do you mean it won’t affect him it DOES affect him even companies with less than 50 employees are affected. He is affected if his business is losing money because those that WERE doing business with him no longer have the money to do business due to the higher costs.

          • Streetiebird

            It depends on the type of business he’s in doesn’t it? Some companies will do much better under Obama, some worse.

          • http://pennyrobinsonfanclub.net/ PennyRobinsonFanClub

            Yeah, like Solyndra.

            Famous quote — “The White House is like the Bank of DC!”

          • Guest

            And how is that ‘fair’ (one of Obama’s favorite words) to the businesses who do worse? God, I can feel my blood pressure going up as I read your crap…it’s not even worth using to line my cat’s litter box!

          • http://pennyrobinsonfanclub.net/ PennyRobinsonFanClub

            Like I say, go open your own business quick and hire all these poor souls! You’re sure to succeed, I mean you’re obviously an expert businessman.

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002109532283 Jillane Kent

            You do realize that Obamacare is but one of the factors affecting small business, no?

          • http://twitter.com/BlissDesignz Tabitha Taylor

            Yeah I’m so sure all these people are closing their life’s work. Their “baby” (as we call our business because it requires so much blood, sweat, tears & years to build), just to make some ridiculous point about politics. I’m sure they’re just doing it while throwing a temper tantrum. You Obamunists need professional help. Liberalism is a mental disorder & you continue to make sure we don’t forget it

          • Cheryl Clark

            Harp2 I am sorry you are having to shut your company down.

          • Cyborg0012

            I’ll pray for you and the the 45. I’m so sorry.

          • Mary Jo

            NO! There are about 50 huge companies laying off employees and 100s of small companies that will make sure they have less than 50 on the pay roll. Full time employees will become part time. Do your homework..it is all over the internet.

          • Streetiebird

            Yes, I’ve done my homework, thanks.

          • Mary Jo

            From your posts it sure does appear that your views are similar to the above tweets..so no point discussing facts….time will prove you are incorrect when the economy tanks. Raising taxes in a fragile economy when Obamacare is about to be implemented is the wrong move at the wrong time.

          • Streetiebird

            Cool story :) We’ll wait and see!

          • ThatOneGirl

            You do realize that the “cool story” crap makes you look uneducated, right? “Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt.”

          • Streetiebird

            Cool story :) I’m just here for fun, don’t take life so seriously! You’ll give yourself an ulcer.

          • Linds

            Nice of you to say that when it’s *our* jobs on the line.

          • Streetiebird

            I’m not the one firing people!!!

          • http://pennyrobinsonfanclub.net/ PennyRobinsonFanClub

            You’re not hiring anyone either. YOU’RE PART OF THE PROBLEM!

          • http://pennyrobinsonfanclub.net/ PennyRobinsonFanClub

            No I take that back. I’m sure you keep a number of social workers and mental health professional gainfully employed.

          • ThatOneGirl

            If you had an ounce of brain in your head, you would know that this IS serious, you dolt! Losers like you that voted for Obama because he’s “cool” are the saddest of the sad. Grow up. Do it now, before you lose any and all freedoms you have…including the one that is so much fun for you, your freedom of speech.

          • Streetiebird

            I voted for Obama because I understand and approve of his policies. He is far from “cool” and has not opposed the Republicans as much as I hoped, but he’s a far better choice for me than Mitt “Cut taxes 20%” Romney.

          • Takiwa

            Yet you’ve yet to grasp any of his ‘policies’ then argue when pointed out by those who have read them. You’re a force alright, problem is you’re a force to be ignored, which most here should seriously consider doing. Their education of fact is a complete waste of time on you.

          • Streetiebird

            LOL you’re precious :) Four more years!

          • Guest

            Does anyone (everyone?) notice that the more we try to explain the facts to this troll, the more he/she/it regresses in age and behavior?

          • Streetiebird

            Just trying to stay on the same level as everyone else around here :) and I don’t see any facts coming from you btw.

          • Grumpa Grumpus

            @streetiebird:
            Ah.
            I understand now your callous disregard for peoples lives.

            You’re just here for “fun”.

            Glad to know we shouldn’t take protestations of “caring” seriously when you make them.

          • Streetiebird

            Relax gramps.

          • http://pennyrobinsonfanclub.net/ PennyRobinsonFanClub

            I think this is an 8th grader home from school because of snow somewhere. Nobody over the age of 16 could really be this petty and stupid. All he’s doing is trying to get us worked up. Or maybe – ARE there really people this stupid?!?

          • jsolbakken

            “All he’s doing is trying to get us worked up. Or maybe – ARE there really people this stupid?!?”

            What the hell do you think the DemonicRat party is about? THIS is what they have been for 50 years, or at least since 1968 for sure.
            They are stupid, evil, and crazy. It is not an illusion. The evil is palpable.

          • Guest

            Obummercare is giving me an ulcer.

          • Streetiebird

            At least now you can get it taken care of :) I love my Obamacare!

          • vphilly

            Presented with logic, which you fail to grasp.

          • BeautifulAmerica

            What media resources do you use? Media Matters? Politico? The leftwing and defunct-cuz-no-one-believes them NTY???

            Get a real education.

          • Streetiebird

            You’re so kind :) What kind of resources do you use? FOX? Limbaugh? The Blaze? LOL

          • Gallatin

            All of the above.

          • Streetiebird

            Figures :)

          • Gallatin

            :)

          • vphilly

            You were asked a question, which you dodge completely.

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002109532283 Jillane Kent

            Next time, frequent a financial periodical and not the Daily Kos then

          • Streetiebird

            I never read the Daily KOS, thanks for playing though :)

          • http://pennyrobinsonfanclub.net/ PennyRobinsonFanClub

            What is the last thing you read? Pat The Bunny?

          • vphilly

            Um no. Your main goal here is to protect your Precious One at all costs. You don’t care a thing about other people’s lives so long as your Precious is absolved of all blame for the ruination of others.

          • jsolbakken

            How can the troll help Obama by being so stupid, evil, and crazy? Obviously, the goal is to destroy us with the stupidity, the evil, and the insanity, by making our heads explode. It just might work…

          • Guest

            In your native language?

          • SlimWich

            Would you like to tell us just where that new tax the medical device industry is preparing for came from?? Could it be Obamacare? Could they have held off with the layoffs in the hopes that Romney would win, Obamacare would be reversed and they could save their employees jobs? No, in your mind (and countless others) it’s all about revenge. Sorry, that’s Obama’s mantra. The rest of us are just trying to make a FAIR living.

          • Streetiebird

            Right, I’m saying I understand if the Medical Device industry has to restructure a bit. But out of the other employers firing people, some are most definitely doing it out of spite.

          • Calvin

            Most companies, large or small, were waiting to see the results of the election. If American voted in someone who had a clue how business works, they would have incentive to hang on. More of the same means a continued loss for them and additional burdens due to the effects of new medical costs that would be incurred due to Obamacare. I’m sorry if you have no business sense or an understanding of how things work. It is clear by your comments you don’t have a clue.

          • http://pennyrobinsonfanclub.net/ PennyRobinsonFanClub

            Proof? Facts?

          • TexSizzle

            It seems to me that you’re projecting. Because you would react this way out of spite if your side lost, think everyone on our side reacts that way. We think things through and react logically, not spitefully.

          • Guest

            There’s that crystal ball again…

          • Bowdoin81

            Correct, the medical device tax would be gone if Romney had his way. Instead, some employees are gone.

          • vphilly

            Denial and attempting to place blame for the layoffs on petty politics instead of economic realities.

          • mkreider

            Gee Boeing is not exactly small. There are literally over a hundred now and it will go up. The medical device industry laid off heavily for a reason. The 716 billion was involved. Grandma is going to be rolled over the cliff without even a wheelchair. If they are only going to be reimbursed at less than 40% why bother with medicare. How many doctors are already not taking medicare and medicaid? In 2014, when the bill really starts, it will be the largest tax ever. I just love liberal thinking – money just falls from the air to pay for everything.

          • Streetiebird

            Oh em gee. Please try to understand the $716 billion before you talk about it. The savings to Medicare to the tune of $716 billion actually allowed it to stay viable for EIGHT years longer than if we rolled it back like Romney/Ryan wanted to. It takes a lot of brass to talk about that money without understanding it.

          • http://pennyrobinsonfanclub.net/ PennyRobinsonFanClub

            Like you understand anything about finances except how to load up your EBT card.

          • TexSizzle

            Double-counting the $716 billion works like if you got a paycheck for $716 and deposited it in your checking account, and entered it as 2 deposits of $716. When you spent what you actually had and started trying to spend the amount you claimed you had due to your accounting error, do you think your bank would let you get away with it because you’re emulating Obama?

          • Streetiebird

            This makes no sense lol. You clearly don’t understand what the $716 in savings was about.

          • Guest

            Apparently you have a lot of brass.

          • Darth_Venomous

            Nah, hers are more like papier-mache.

          • Cheryl Clark

            What makes you think Pepsi is an Romney supporter? They donated MILLIONS to the Obama campaign so stop drinking the liberal brain dead kool-aid and do a bit of research and critical thinking.

          • Streetiebird

            Did I say Pepsi is a Romney supporter? I didn’t! I agree that some companies are doing layoffs for valid reasons. Do you agree that it’s possible some are doing it out of spite?

          • http://pennyrobinsonfanclub.net/ PennyRobinsonFanClub

            No. That idea is just you projecting your own juvenile, little-minded, pettiness. You sound like a 5 year old having a tantrum that Mommy hates you.

          • TexSizzle

            So Obama supporters have valid reasons and Romney supporters are spiteful? Typical left-wing projection.

          • http://pennyrobinsonfanclub.net/ PennyRobinsonFanClub

            What a ffking asshll retard. GO START YOUR OWN COMPANY AND SHOW THE H8ERS HOW TO DO IT RIGHT!

          • TundraThunder

            People like Streetie- throw around their opinions like it’s truth, but it isn’t necessarily so! They don’t get the facts! That would be “work”, so they depend on their own “smarts” and the left’s opinions to give them false “facts”, even believing what they’re told without checking for themselves. And, when a conservative provides a link for proof, it’s automatically dismissed as a right wing site that spews lies and propaganda. We’re better off ignoring them, since we can’t prove anything to them, even when it’s staring them in their faces, point blank!

          • Belinda Henry

            Why are there any layoffs in this booming Obama economy?

          • Guest

            Love it! The ‘private sector’ is doing just fine, right? Just ask Obama!

          • Just Another Guy

            Really? You just like to make stuff up, don’t you Streetie.

            I wasn’t a Romney supporter. But I sure as heck was voting against Obama and his being the president for the next four years.

            I sure as heck didn’t like closing my business. I hated telling my employees that we’re closing down. It was not what I wanted to do by any stretch. But is what I have to do as a result of things coming in 2013 and beyond.

            Anyone who has had to cut back or close down is not happy about it, I can assure you. We aren’t “revenge” oriented like Liberals.

            We can do math, unlike Obama. It isn’t hard, since it is mainly add/subtract and a little multiplication. But apparently even those skills are beyond a Liberal’s capabilities.

            We aren’t driven by emotion. Were we disappointed? You bet. But our decision to shut down is NOT an emotional response. It is a mathematically derived response.
            —-
            If we are so wrong, then with all of us closing our businesses down, you should have no trouble opening your own shop and getting a bunch of employees working.

            Go ahead, prove us wrong. Be a successful business person.

          • http://twitter.com/BlissDesignz Tabitha Taylor

            You’re a moron. So did all the companies that have failed, left the US or cut employees over his first four years done so to get back at Obama? NO, they did so because he’s killing the private sector on purpose. Did gas rates double under Obama because Arco / Texico / etc. wanted to make him look bad? NO they did so because of his war on domestic energy. Get a clue lib. Try reading Forbes instead of Obama when it comes to economics. When are you people gonna understand that communism aka Obamanomics make everyone poor??

          • lcky9

            who did BOEING support/???

          • gatorbait51

            And why, pray tell, were they planning these prior to the election?

        • http://twitter.com/Zalatix Zalatix

          c) these business owners need to be put OUT of business.

        • Tony Johnson

          I am going with B!

        • Cheryl Clark

          I vote B

        • Just Another Guy

          Definitely (b)

        • lcky9

          like b myself..

      • Shawn Smith

        Do you realize how quickly $62.50 *per employee per month* can add up? Do you realize how small the profit margins are on a lot of businesses? (Where did the $62.50 number come from, by the way?) Do you realize that this will result in the prices of everything rising?

        • Kevin Krom

          Out of Streetiebird’s ass, just like the rest of the crap it posts.

          • mwill

            that number is total bs…my insurance i have through my wifes job cost over $500 a month

          • Guest

            Mine went up from $412 for a family of 5, to $738 starting January 1, 2013…coincidence? I think not.

        • Streetiebird

          It’s from Obamacare…

          • mwill

            link it

      • Finrod Felagund

        Clearly math is not your strong suit.

        • Streetiebird

          What’s 750 divided by 12?

          • Finrod Felagund

            What’s $5 trillion divided by 4 years?

          • Streetiebird

            A Romney presidency :)

          • Finrod Felagund

            FAIL. It’s Obama’s first term. Biggest budget deficit before Obama was elected? $0.4 trillion or $400 billion.

          • Streetiebird

            Yeah, and that had nothing to do with Bush did it? Bush managed to turn around a SURPLUS and turn it into deficits and now Conservatives are trying to be on the side of deficit reduction. Give me a break.

          • Finrod Felagund

            As usual for liberal trolls, your facts are completely wrong. Bill Clinton’s last budget was back in deficit again, there was no surplus when Bush took office.

          • Streetiebird

            K, while you’re re-writing history you might want to black out the whole Bush presidency.

          • Finrod Felagund

            The 2001 budget, passed by Congress and signed by President Clinton in 2000, was in deficit. It’s a fact, despite your wishing otherwise. Now go hide your head in the sand from those evil facts that might invade your brain and cause cognitive dissonance otherwise.

          • Streetiebird

            Then he turned it fron a tiny deficit to a massive one. Better?

          • Guest

            No, an Obama presidency…were you dropped on your head as a child?

      • Shawn Smith

        By the way, you know who is hardest hit by an across-the-board rise in prices? Poor people this was intended to help.

        It’s called the law of unintended consequences, and it’s one of the best arguments for small government.

        • BeautifulAmerica

          She’ll be feeling it veerrrryyyy soon! No more Starbucks!!

      • Symph2001

        As a very small business I crunched the numbers using your $62.50 per employee per month and I could pay that provided I fire 2 employees. I’m sure that 2 of them would gladly give up their jobs so that others might prosper…… Or not.

        • Streetiebird

          Here’s the thing though, if you are a “very small business” as you claim, then none of this even applies to you! Do you have 50 employees or less?

          • HARP2

            You really don`t have a clue how business works… do you ?

          • Streetiebird

            What extra costs are you facing? Sounds incredibly serious if you have to shutter your business…

          • therantinggeek

            Fair question. Harp2? Mind supplying the answer?

        • Marcy Cook

          Hey obama wants everyone to have their fair share…so those 2 employees are just going to have to find their fair share somewhere else.

      • Johnny Banco

        “62.50”? Where’s your evidence that that # is applicable in each particular case?

        Streetietird, you are a poster child for the Dunning-Kruger effect.

        • Streetiebird

          See, the fee for not providing insurance to an employee is only $750 per year, you do the math.

          • Johnny Banco

            Uh, no, it is up to $2,000/year, and that penalty isn’t an employer’s only concern with 0bamacare, which is why so many more employees are unhappily going to be finding themselves either unemployed or underemployed in the near future.

          • Streetiebird

            Wrong. The fee is $750, please try to keep up.

          • Johnny Banco

            Wanna bet? If you have more than 30 employees, it’s $2000/year: http://smallbusiness.foxbusiness.com/legal-hr/2012/07/11/what-obamacare-means-for-all-entrepreneurs “Business owners with between 30 and 50 workers [and up -me] will be subject to fees of $2,000 per worker, per-year, for failing to offer employees health insurance, Keating said.”

            I dare you to try to refute that, you retard.

          • Streetiebird

            FOX is not a valid source.

          • Johnny Banco

            Are you educated enough to even know what “refute” means? You didn’t do it, did you, you retard?

            Keep failing to do so, though, Streetietird, it’s fun for me watching you continue to be unable to prove me wrong! :)

          • Streetiebird

            Name calling will get you no-where.

          • Johnny Banco

            Yes it will, you retard – it amuses me, as well as some others, to do so, while we watch you dance around like a whining brat instead of admitting that I am right about the $2,000/year figure, and that you are wrong.

            Awww, poor baby Streetietird, I almost feel sorry for you during your struggle to learn humility and intellectual honesty! :)

          • West_Coast

            Neither are you a valid source for information, just propaganda and feminist whining.

          • Streetiebird

            And you are just mean :) Have a great day!

          • Finrod Felagund

            Life is tough, but it’s tougher when you’re stupid. — John Wayne

          • Guest

            Present SB with facts, and they deny your source.

          • Streetiebird

            It can’t be from the MSM, standard rule around here right? 😉

      • West_Coast

        Listen ass-wipe, why don’t you pry the $62.50 out of your own wallet.

        Okay?

        I already subsidize your housing, your food, your education, your health care, your emergency personal, your infrastructural, your schools, your f*ucking Alpaca farm, and your president.

        • Streetiebird

          LOL you’re precious :) I pay a lot in taxes actually, and I’m happy to pay a little more to help my fellow Americans.

          • West_Coast

            Good, you do that.

          • Streetiebird

            And I am, we passed Prop 30!!! woot 😀 Now we can responsibly pay down some of our debt using a balanced approach!

          • West_Coast

            You California retards are all the same. Raise taxes on the middle class to pay for your failed fiscal policies.

            Why don’t you take your brilliant ideas and go shut down more lemonade stands, ban happy meal toys, demand that fags are in your history books, and build a rail system to nowhere.

            You’re just another boot-licker to servatude

          • Bizness22

            Not all of us in California are that way. True the smart and able ones have already left. As for Prop 30, those making $250k a year will face higher taxes? I foresee a lot of people making $249,999 a year. :)

          • West_Coast

            I agree. Please allow me to apologize to the sane ones like you who don’t compromise your liberty and mine for a government handout.

            Keep up the good fight!

          • Bizness22

            No need to apologize…it is pretty much everyone left here. It’s all the people at my work for example who assume I’m one of them without ever bothering to ask or take notice of the morality and ideas that are interwoven into my day to day discourse. It’s a real pleasure to meet like-minded individuals though, even if we’re forced to whisper our thoughts or talk about them in vacant rooms.

          • Guest

            Thank you…I didn’t vote for Prop 30 either, and I live in CA :)

          • Streetiebird

            LOL yes a HUGE tax of $2.50 per $1,000 spent, and an income tax raise on rich people so that we can lower our debt :) I guess to Conservatives a balanced approach to reducing debt is “retarded” but it’s actually how it’s done.

          • West_Coast

            You can vote to ‘tax’ your state into prosperity all you want. It ultimately gets passed to us in the middle class, and you and your ilk are more than willing to drag the rest of us over the plank.

          • Streetiebird

            Taxes pay for things. In this case we’re paying for our debt. I know that’s crazy-talk to Republicans, but we’re giving it a shot anyway 😉

          • Kevin Krom

            Yes, it is crazy talk, because Democrat-controlled governments never pay down debt, they just spend more. Hell, even the Republicans just grow the debt at a slower rate, and it’s depressing that they look great in comparison.

          • Streetiebird

            When asked if they would take $1 in tax increases for every $10 in spending cuts, they said NO. Republicans are not truly interested in paying down the debt, they’re more interested in stopping Obama and in shrinking the government.

          • Finrod Felagund

            Yeah, Democrats offered that kind of deal to Ronald Reagan as well: $100 billion in tax increases in exchange for $300 billion in spending cuts. The tax increase happened but the spending cuts never did. That’s why Republicans don’t fall for that trick any more.

          • Guest

            Uh…CA was fine until Gray Davis (a democrat) became governor. We had a surplus until he started his ‘tax and spend’ crap.

          • http://twitter.com/who_me_too RadicalRebelWhoMeToo

            He fell for JERRY BROWN!!!! Aaaaahahahahahah!!! XD

          • Bizness22

            He loves Jerry Brown and that massive thing on the side of his nose.

          • http://twitter.com/who_me_too RadicalRebelWhoMeToo

            How sad that Californian’s FORGOT what Jerry Brown did to the state the first time he was Governor… :-(

          • Bizness22

            I thankfully wasn’t around for the first time, but that 2010 atrocity was nauseating. That was the year kids at the university I was attending were ditching class for rallies to protest not being able to afford classes.

          • http://twitter.com/who_me_too RadicalRebelWhoMeToo

            Unfortunately I was there. We used to call him “Gov. Highway to No Where!”

          • Bizness22

            Now he’s “Gov. Highspeed Rail to Nowhere.” Le sigh

          • http://twitter.com/who_me_too RadicalRebelWhoMeToo

            Aaahahahaha! XD

          • Guest

            Oh great…you live in CA…God, I hope you don’t live near me.

          • konservative1

            YOUR post “Yeah…how about the criteria for mental retardation…see if you fit that!” It was deleted before I could reply.
            My reply:

            You have a child who is developmentally disabled, right? I saw you post that. And here you are using mental retardation as an insult??? Either you lied about your child or you are seriously F up!

          • WilliamAmos

            I deleted it because it was a cheap shot. Sorry you had to see that.

          • konservative1

            Who are you?

          • WilliamAmos

            I am Twitchy’s moderator.

          • drcldh

            Not sure why you’d delete a post that you think is a ‘cheap shot’, but you let others on here post things that are much worse than what I posted. So much for fair and unbiased moderators…

          • WilliamAmos

            I have kept a lot of nasty comments off this site but will miss some from time to time. Blatantly nasty personal attacks I try and eliminate no matter who is saying them.

          • drcldh

            My apologies…it absolutely was not intended to be a slam…I honestly believe that this Sweetiebird is a troll, and absolutely does not have the ability to understand the concept of this particular topic. If you prefer me not to be on Twitchy, then let me know and I’ll be happy to delete all my posts and go somewhere else. In fact, I’ll save you the trouble…I’ll delete all my posts and won’t come back.

          • WilliamAmos

            I was not singling you out or asking you to leave. And I keep an eye on Sweetiebird in fact have deleted some posts by them. Have also deleted some personal attacks on Sweetiebird. People can make arguements just avoid making nasty personal attacks.

          • drcldh

            Call me overly sensitive, but I know what I meant by my post, and if you don’t agree with my reasons for posting what I did and feel you had to delete it, then I have no business being a part of this posting board. Sweetiebird has been an instigator and difficult, and I find it completely annoying. Konservative has also been an annoyance, and not just on this story, but on other stories on Twitchy, but his ‘cheap shot’ comments have gotten through. I obviously don’t understand the rules, so I’ll go ‘play’ somewhere else where I do understand them.

          • WilliamAmos

            If you had said they were stupid or an idiot would have let it slide. But you went to the next level and accused them of a mental or physical disorder. That crossed a line the shouldn’t be crossed. That can be insulting to many people not just the one you accused. Try winning a debate with out personal slurs.

          • drcldh

            I only came back today to tell you, Mr. Moderator, that you didn’t read my post very well before you took me to task and called it a ‘cheap shot’. I said that the poster should be ‘tested’ for mental retardation. I never said they were retarded. And since I’ve been in the medical profession for over 30 years, and I have a degree that goes along with the field, I didn’t think it was out of line. I have a mentally retarded son, and I’ve tested others for it as well, which is where I was coming from. But since you don’t know me, you don’t know where I was coming from when I posted, and took it completely as a slam. I was serious. Some people on here do not seem to be able to process the actual truth of a situation. However, since there is not a level playing field here (I’m still seeing posts that are W-A-Y worse than anything I’ve posted), I am not coming back to Twitchy. You keep changing where you draw the lines in the sand. When you hold everyone to the same standard, then I’ll think about it, and if you choose to ban me, that’s fine – I’ll take the ‘punishment’. In the meantime, I can spend my energies and post my ideas elsewhere. It’s too bad, too, because there were some pretty awesome people here. It’s not necessary to respond to this post because I won’t be back here to read it.

            As for Mr. Konservative1’s post about ‘missing me’, I’m sure that’s just a sarcastic remark. He got it’s knickers in a wad and said that I was “F’d up” or a liar, but that was okay? Not to me.

            So, sorry to say ‘goodbye’, but it is what it is. Life’s too damn short…and believe me, nobody here is going to ‘miss me’.

          • WilliamAmos

            Good Grief you have a martyr complex. I simply asked you to refrain from using abusive comments when you post. Now you try to parse your statement to make it sound like I misread what you said. The same night I deleted 5 of Sweetiebird’s comments and only one of yours and she handled it with more maturity than you have.

          • konservative1

            Please accept my apology, I am sorry I offended you.

          • konservative1

            Come on now. Everyone makes mistakes. No need to rush off and abandon Twitchy. We will miss you if you really go for good.

          • konservative1

            While it is through no fault of your own, as you have only been doing your job, you sir are my new favorite moderator! It has been a long time since I have seen such a fit thrown because of a caution from a moderator. Please ignore / delete this if it is not really appropriate. : }

          • konservative1

            Oh ok so you are a moderator. Well keep up the good work. : )

          • drcldh

            It was not a cheap shot on my part. I’m in the medical profession, and there IS a criteria for mental retardation. I was being serious. I wasn’t using it as an insult.

          • konservative1

            99 out of 100 of the previous reply’s you made to Streetiebird were insults or cheap shots. And now all of a sudden this ONE was not? That does not pass the smell test.

          • Shawn Smith

            Then do it voluntarily. Write a check to the treasury and leave the rest of us alone.

            If you haven’t been voluntarily writing checks to the treasury, then I find something a little odd in the statement that you don’t mind paying more.

          • Streetiebird

            I voted for a tax increase that I am happy to pay. It’s called Democracy :)

          • Shawn Smith

            No, that’s making *everyone* pay more. I’m saying that if you’re happy to pay more, do it voluntarily, why wait for the government?

          • Streetiebird

            I hear that meme a lot from Conservatives, it’s a way out of discussing raising taxes, I get it. This new age where even war isn’t justification for raising taxes is just the Cons way of starving the federal government of funds so that they can slowly do away with social programs like Medicare and Social Security.

          • West_Coast

            Good to know you subscribe to the Joe Biden model of patriotism that equates patriotism equal to taxes paid.

            I guess 47% of the country shouldn’t be allowed to vote, since they don’t pay taxes

          • Streetiebird

            LOL you’re still using the 47% lie? Brave, very brave. You don’t think Veterans or old people should be allowed to vote? I think that would guarantee a Democratic president and congress as far as the eye can see…

          • Guest

            It’s called Socialism…spread the wealth.

          • Streetiebird

            LOL Google Socialism some time, you might be surprised 😀

          • Guest

            Why don’t you just send all of us here a check then, if you’re so happy to pay a little more to help your fellow Americans….uh liberals…uh Americans.

          • Streetiebird

            Awww cute :) Implying that the majority of voters are un-American, now that’s the type of Conservative I used to know.

      • Liberal Hater

        Hey lazy ass: Start your own business or shut the fuck up

        • Streetiebird

          haha cute :)

      • Sonya A. Willis

        Repeat after me: Business owners are not in business to provide jobs. They are in business to make a profit by providing goods and/or services.

        • http://www.facebook.com/jon.morris.5817 Jon Morris

          I’ll remember you said that that the next time you roll out the “we are the job creators” shtick.

      • Garth Haycock

        Your ignorance is astounding.

      • WhiteFalcon1

        Dude, that’s not the point! Being dictated to, is!

        Why should I bust my butt to create MY company just to have parasites and looters dictate to me the terms under which I’ll support them? I’ll close it all up, first!

        That’s what you folks don’t get…WE (I) create these jobs to make YOUR lives better, not mine, although I’ll be alright no matter what happens next!
        Y’all didn’t think ahead to the consequences! It costs me quite a bit just to hire a new person, why should I bother?
        It was easier for me to can 16 and bring others in to replace them, slowly, later!
        Revenge? If you say so, I call it making sure my company survives! That MY family is taken care of by ME…
        You may have won this election (STOLE) but we will certainly win the war for this country because we provide the things the country NEEDS while y’all just take it!
        Oh well…sucks to be you!

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002109532283 Jillane Kent

        Where did you get your figures? It costs 9,000 to insure an employee each year, in my state, for a competitive plan. Each individual, over the 50 employee threshold, will cost a small business owner around 2,000. I am not certain how many businesses you’ve owned or operated, but most are not doing well enough to weather this storm without requisite cut backs.

        • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002109532283 Jillane Kent

          I checked. Your 62.50 figure is the fine for individuals-not businesses. Next time, have your facts straight before pontificating.

          • Finrod Felagund

            He’s a liberal troll, facts roll off him like water off a duck’s back.

      • vphilly

        Denial and attempting to explain away why these businesses are having to lay off their employees.

      • Grumpa Grumpus

        Hey Streetie!
        If it’s only $63/mo. why don’t you pay it for them?

        It’s actually much more than that, but my you’re awfully generous with fruits of other people’s work!

        Slaver!

        • Streetiebird

          Cute :)

      • pinga_c

        It costs $2,000 per year per employee over the 30 employee cut off – if at least one employee receives a tax credit in an exchange. So for a company with 50 employees the cost would be 20 x $2,000 = $40,000 per year.
        http://www.uschamber.com/sites/default/files/100426_critical_employer_issues_ppaca.pdf

      • aztut

        $62.50? Are you crazy? That’s the employee’s part every two weeks if they are lucky! Businesses pay WAY more than the employee’s do!

        • Streetiebird

          As I’ve said elsewhere, there are some sources that say it’s $750 a year and some that say $2000 which would be more like $166 per month. It’s unclear which is correct but it sounds like $166 per month per employee is closer.

      • jbgoldcanyon

        Since it is only ” 62.50″ a month, why don’t YOU pay your fair share so that they may keep their jobs.. Didn’t think so

        • Streetiebird

          You assume every liberal is unemployed? You must listen to a lot of Rush if that is your belief.

      • mkreider

        sorry but it is a lot more than 62.50 per employee per month. It would be closer to 62.50 per employee per week or more than 250.00 per month or more. 62.50 a month would have been cheap in 1970. Healthcare insurance has gone up significantly in just the last 12 months.

        • Streetiebird

          We’re talking about the lower-cost fine that employers have the option of paying.

      • Cheryl Clark

        Streetiebird that number is way low and take that number and muliply by EACH employee it adds up.

        • Streetiebird

          Yes, and I’ve said elsewhere that some sources show a $750 fee per employee per year, but others say it’s $2000 making it closer to $160 per month per employee. But either way it can be paid for without firing 20% of your workforce if you’re the size of this Vegas business.

      • http://pennyrobinsonfanclub.net/ PennyRobinsonFanClub

        Like I said to sugarbritches up top there– since you are obviously such an expert in business and economics, open up your own business, hire all the poor souls the meanypants teebaggers are firing, and show us all how a business SHOULD be run!

      • Ironhawk86

        Thank for proving my point about left-wingers being economically illiterate.

      • jules2u

        Wondering where a company can buy insurance for only $62.50 a month that meets the requirements of the new mandates……….. If it were that cheap then just about anyone could afford insurance now and the government would not be mandating coverage.

      • http://twitter.com/SandraHopes2 Sandra Hopes

        For my son’s business, for your information each employee making 15.00 per hour cost him before the first day’s work is done 10,500.00 per year in fees and regulation that he has to pay per employee. What most of you never see is the fact that the employer is required to match funds for your SS and medicare payments to the government, and LI in this state has gone up along with the fees for keeping the doors open as businesses continue to close their doors. In otherwords as the states revenues go down they charge the remaining businesses more for permits, licenses etc. Each job cost an employer another 10,000 per employee just to train them well enough so that they become productive, rather than a drain on the company.

      • http://twitter.com/BlissDesignz Tabitha Taylor

        Forbes finds that obamacare will cost businesses approximately 50% of their total profit, so you obviously have no idea what you’re talking about! Obama has already cost the private sector more than it can afford. Private individuals have paid hikes in their insurance rates of more than $750 / yr over the last year! Our rates went up about 45% per person & those are said to double over the next 2 years. That’s the cost of premiums to the patient. It’s just like Obamas war on coal / gas / domestic energy & massive added regulation to the private sector. Those get passed on or kill a business. Called inflation. You really need to learn economics. Your obviously well versed in the always fail Obamanomics.

        • Streetiebird

          I’d appreciate a link to your Forbes article. Funny, I couldn’t seem to find anything of the sort :)

      • http://twitter.com/BlissDesignz Tabitha Taylor

        Here is Obama by the numbers. Please tell me if you feel these are part of the conspiracy against your Messiah.

        USA ranking in Global Competitiveness:

        2008-2009: #1

        2011-2012: #7

        “Economic Freedom of the World Report” by over 70 think tanks from around the world, shows in 2010 the U.S. dropped to number 18 in world ranking. This after years of the U.S. being one of the most economically free nations in the world.

        American Median household incomes have fallen 8.2% since Obama took office and continue to drop despite the official end of the recession.

        We are now at an all time high for welfare collection. Enrollment in Food Stamps, Medicaid, and Disability Far Outpaces Job Growth in Last 4 Years. This is the first time Job growth is negative to the amount of welfare being collected.

        Net change in Jobs: – 0.7%

        Disability Enrollment: + 17.6%

        Medacaid Enrollment: + 19.3%

        Food Stamp Enrollment: + 65.2%

        In 2011 The govt spent approximately $1.03 trillion on 83 means-tested federal welfare programs. Now the government’s largest expenditure.

        New pages of government regulation on private business since Obama took office; 11,327

        43 months of +8% unemployment under Obama from 1948 to present under all presidents combined we’ve had 39 months

        Our countries stellar credit rating has been downgraded for the first time ever (and the second time ever) & is now due to be downgraded again under Obama

        The US GDP Rate Under Obama is now well below Egypt, Mexico and Albania & even lower than Cuba and Pakistan. What it took Castro over 50 years to do to Cuba, Obama has accomplished in less than four & without complete dictatorial powers. Remember when America used to have 3 percent GDP growth? —- George W. Bush was in the White House!!

        The 2012 Legatum Prosperity Index released October 30 found the US dropped out of the top 10 in prosperity index, (ingored by the MSM of course). They found that the “American Dream is in jeopardy” and “The national ethos of the U.S. is under threat.” The assessment of prosperity is based on material wealth and personal well-being. The Prosperity Index benchmarks countries in eight categories: Economy, Entrepreneurship & Opportunity, Education, Governance, Personal Freedom, Health, Safety & Security, and Social Capital.

        Obamanomics will always fail because they are meant to. You see, Obama was raised, indoctrinated & mentored to be a communist to bring “change” to America from the time he was a small child. In order to change a structure of something such as a free economy you must first tear down the old system & make the people beg for relief. What he is doing he has been trained in, it’s intentional & called the “Clower-Piven” strategy. Please inform yourself & do a little reading from materials not provided by Marxist professors. Companies don’t like downgrading but have no choice right now. The others (not funded by the Feds) have left the US to take business abroad or have shut down. I do not have enough employees to have to worry about that with my small operation, but because of the inevitable dollar collapse & the fact we’re losing prosperity at rapid pace from Obama I’m looking at relocating abroad. It has nothing to do with a personal vendetta. It’s why on Thursday many business owners flew their American flag at half staff & upside down. We are mourning the death of capitalism.

        • Streetiebird

          You’re cute :)

      • lcky9

        it will be much more than 62.50 a month..since you haven’t figured in LOCAL and STATE taxes nor the INCREASE in FEDERAL TAXES.. but lets use your figure.. 62.50 by 10 employees..that =625.50 off profit .. electric will necessarily be skyrocketing even further than it has already done.. by 3-4x’s and that’s in YOUR home not just in businesses….(If you think higher gas prices make things go up in price WAIT for electric to go up)…that will add another $500 dollars coming off the profits just to pay for the difference in the old electric price vs. the new.. price of product to run the business just went UP due to HIGHER ELECTRIC and GAS prices.. taking up even MORE of the profits.. about 20-30% .. I have to ask HOW much are YOU wiling to PAY for say a PIZZA?? another $10?? cause as a business owner I will let employees go and work myself in order to keep my profit margin so I can feed my family and give them a home,, a small business owner say making a profit of $5k a month earns 161.33 a day (before taxes).. on a 10 hour work day that is a little over $16 an hour (before taxes)..taxes would be about 336.00 a week.,, Plus healthcare for my family.. taxes on my residence.. so a week I would make $1127 -336.00=$791 a week,,not a whole lot of money for all the 70 plus hours I work and the headaches is it?? just so YOU can have FREE stuff.. well who is going to give ME free stuff??

      • jsolbakken

        “You can’t afford another $62.50 per employee per month? Your business must already be in trouble!”

        Ain’t you read the newspapers, doofus??? There are shitloads of businesses, large and small, that are in trouble because of all the communist policies that drive up costs without corresponding benefit. The fact is that there are also many businesses that would not be in trouble UNLESS you arbitrarily impose a $62.50 cost burden on them.

        But I’m not really talking to you because you are a moron. I’m writing this for the benefit of other, intelligent people who might be watching.

    • Michelle Blackwell

      Sure. An extra $750/year per employee in 2 years is a great reason to lay off people now.

      Only the truly selfish would think that $0.14 a pizza is too much to pay to ensure that all employees have healthcare.

      • Johnny Banco

        It’s obvious that you are a selfish, controlling, verbally abusive, self-important busybody who helplessly feels the need to involve herself in others’ pursuits of happiness.

        Get a life of your own, will you, Michelle?

        • Michelle Blackwell

          Well, I admit to being a busybody, the others not so much. I love how I’m “verbally abusive” but you’re the one doing all the insulting. You accuse me of doing the very thing you are doing in your post. Am I supposed to take this seriously?

          • Johnny Banco

            You aren’t very observant, are you, Michelle, you busybody?

            Considering that you are the one who first called others, “selfish”, undeservedly and aggressively, genius…..if you can’t connect the dots after that, you are not worth any of my time, except to insult, of course! :)

          • Michelle Blackwell

            Nice, stretch. You really have to deliberately misread what I wrote to justify your response.

          • Johnny Banco

            “deliberately misread”? You are a passive-aggressive joker – you shamelessly called people who don’t agree with you, “selfish”, manipulatively w/o rational justification, proving that you are verbally abusive person in denial.

            Keep on denying this truth, you truly selfish busybody, and I’ll keep mocking you for being too stupid to see the glaringly obvious truth about yourself!

          • jbgoldcanyon

            At least she did not call you a racist.. What these uninformed people do not realize is that the employers knew about this before the election and were hoping that Romney was going to get elected. When that failed, they did what they had to do.

          • http://profile.yahoo.com/QSVJEUNHYOTAZUPB3KKUE7Y7G4 Steak

            Johnny Derpo, the only thing I got from reading your posts is a bunch of insults while claiming not to be the one insulting. I dare say you may just be retarded.

          • Johnny Banco

            Thank you for continuing to amuse me, outside of your control, you hapless, whiny, and unconstructive Leftist dolt!

          • http://twitter.com/yahneverknowCB yahneverknow

            Hi Redditor. So nice of you to visit.

          • http://pennyrobinsonfanclub.net/ PennyRobinsonFanClub

            Well you know what the solution is, don’t you? Open up your OWN business and hire all the poor souls that the meany Rethuglitards are firing. That’ll show ’em!

          • Cyborg0012

            LOL, I really adore you, Ice Cold. You put the challenge out there. Go ahead all you progs, open a business at this time. We conservatives dare you!

          • Sol Robinson

            Done.

          • Cyborg0012

            Oh really? Prove it. I want proof. It’s easy to lie in an anonymous chat. Lets have the link to a prog business that’s thriving right. Waiting….

          • Sol Robinson

            No I mean I am going to start one.

          • Cyborg0012

            Please, start a blog about starting your business. I’m sure it’ll be enlightening for you.

          • SpinMeNot

            Brother, you nailed that in one. Outstanding marksmanship solider.

          • http://profile.yahoo.com/QSVJEUNHYOTAZUPB3KKUE7Y7G4 Steak

            Isn’t that adorable? Guy living in his mom’s basement challenging others to go out and start their own business. Wonders never cease.

          • http://pennyrobinsonfanclub.net/ PennyRobinsonFanClub

            You talkin to me, punk? I own my own home, am a father and grandfather, and have a decent job with a decent law firm in Boston.

            And yeah, I’m challenging the noisyass loudmouth douchenozzles here who are themselves the armchair admirals, blithering on about how other people should do something, to go ahead and do it themselves. An entirely fair proposition, I think.

            And in point of fact, my mother passed away in 1996.

          • $22639970

            What business do you run, meat?

          • jsolbakken

            Guy running his little business in his mom’s basement is making you look like a loser!!!! Ha ha ha.

          • SpinMeNot

            Hello liberal puke. It’s your new best pal, Spin. Stretch? ” Only the truly selfish would think that $0.14 a pizza is too much to pay to ensure that all employees have healthcare.”

            Why? Why is it the responsibility of an employer to provide free healthcare for all employees. If you even think about using any of the following words in your response, be advised that you will be calling in soo much heat on your position that you will won’t be needing heating oil this winter: fair, deserve, decent, moral, justice, equality, etc.

            People have a responsibility to find a job that meets their needs. If they need regular health care, get a job that pays enough to buy it, or one that provides it in full or part. If they don’t need it, because say they are fit, young, healthy, and only want to carry a major medical policy, they should have the right do so.

            If someone is physically or mentally incapable of caring for themselves, I’ll pay their bills. I paid the medical bills for car salesman that works at a car dealership that I’ve done business with for 20 years now. His baby needed some additional treatment, and he and his wife couldn’t afford it. I paid it. Me, nobody forced me. He was a good man, and it was my pleasure to help. Have you ever done anything like that?

            But no, you and the rest of your card carrying rear echelon clueless liberal-progressive do nothing, take everything buddies get to decide what people deserve to be allowed to keep and do, and what they are required to pay so others don’t have to take responsibility for themselves.

            You lack the necessary skills to deal with me. Admit you don’t know what the hell you are talking about and go back to whatever liberal cesspool spawned you. Don’t talk to me about civility. I’ve been watching you liberal-pukes on social media for the entirety of this election. I’m done with civil. You want civil from me, you can find that over on American Thinker

            Do you know what percentage of the profit of a single pizza that $0.14 represents? Of course you don’t you don’t understand profit. It isn’t your place to determine what is, or is not too much to pay for a company that has legal fiduciary responsibilities to its investors. But you don’t care about the law, not the Law of Man, and by your actions and words, obviously not the Laws of God.

            The Christian Faith says turn the other cheek. The Judeo/Christian tradition tells us the meek will inherit the Earth. I can promise you none of your kind will take a thing from me.

            Not on my watch missy.

          • http://profile.yahoo.com/TVJU3Z5RYUJBSIXKGMRNNSEJDQ Mike Johnson

            Spin, you forgot the liberals’ favorite: Common good.

          • SpinMeNot

            I stand corrected, thank you sir.

          • http://profile.yahoo.com/QSVJEUNHYOTAZUPB3KKUE7Y7G4 Steak

            Oh, you mean the common good Jefferson, Madison, Adams and Hamilton wrote about? Y’know, those founding fathers you conservatives claim to worship.

            What’s that? You never bothered reading a single word they wrote? Why, Mike Johnson, I cannot believe my eyes.

          • Guest

            Welfare check late this month?

          • http://profile.yahoo.com/QSVJEUNHYOTAZUPB3KKUE7Y7G4 Steak

            Typical republican has problems with reading comprehension. Knock me over with a feather. But for what it’s worth, I have no problem insulting you, you selfish, inhuman, warmongering, social darwinist, rape-apologist piece of shit.

          • Johnny Banco

            If it was your goal to make me take you completely unseriously, and to make me laugh at you, your toxic psychological dysfunction, and your lack of logical reasoning and civility, you did a PERFECT job, you childish, delusional, humorless and miserable Leftist retard! :)

          • Rob Britt

            You love the sight of your own typing, don’t you? You want to get into insults? The second you, or any other libfilth dies, the moral and intellectual compass of this nation gets a little more in the right direction.

          • $22639970

            Ah!! At last, the profanity laced, ad hominem attack. The signal that the mentally inferior left winger knows that he’s lost the argument. Don’t go away mad, meat….just go away.

          • Darth_Venomous

            Thus saith the coward from behind his daddy’s pink taffeta hoop skirt. Because (s)he doesn’t have the stones to say it to someone’s face.

            Do you, princess?

      • Cheryl Clark

        That cost is way more than that. If you believe the liberal garbage it is only $750 per employee then you don’t understand math. The government itself admists it is costing three times more than they said it would for Obama care when it passed. So that cost is not small and depending on the number of employees that money adds up to staying open or laying off. It is called economics. If people don’t buy your product you cannot pay staff plain and simple. My other half’s insurance has almost went up by 30% since Obama went in to office UP not down. That cost increase on OUR share has hurt us in to what we can buy or not buy. Sort of sad if I have to decide to buy vegetables or gas. I live in California where gas prices are highest in the country…well NY and NJ might be beating us right now. We don’t spend on stupid stuff just keeping the roof over our heads.

        • Guest

          I’ve been posting all over the boards that my husband’s medical insurance is going up over 30% starting next year as well. I actually re-calculated the difference and we’ll be losing $4,692 NET per year…and I’m just positive that I remember Obama saying something about health insurance going down by approximately $2,000…yeah…right…that’s what happens when Pelosi says, ‘pass the thing, we’ll figure it out later’…I really, truly hope that some of these idiotic Twitter posters lose their jobs (if they have one, which I doubt), so that they understand in an experiential way what Obamacare has started. That sounds mean, but sometimes you have to shove something in someone’s face for them to see it!

          • gatorbait51

            My own health insurance costs have indeed climbed like a scalded ape. Now, so you all know, since I am disabled, I also have the added thrill of medicare. Now , this little gift is an additional $300.00 a month and will rise by 30% starting 1 January.

            Any employer who is not nervously watching his bottom line, be it big business or small has either got to be suicidal or a trust funder . The latter are in for a very nasty surprise vis a vis the tax code.

            The ironic part of the Prog( read Communist) thinking is this; the costs and diminished benefits will hit them the hardest. Anyone recall Clinton’s Middle Class Tax Cut? How did that work out?

            Well, the other thing is the attacks on employers letting people go. A job is not a right . Private employers are not compelled to hire or continue the employment of individuals who are direct and indirect threats to the continued existence of that company. Unfortunately, the Leftist entitlement mantra fails to take into account, in fact ignores, the entire concept of profit and loss and why those companies’ profits fuel the economic circumstance of the nation. In other words, vituperative morons .

          • kathy

            MR Obama: you will reap what you have sown!we are a country of 300 mill and you and that damn congress work for us! we pay your way and if you think we will bow to your crap while you make us into commie Russia you will have a fite on your hands and it has just begun, as of 11/6 /12 and all the lib masses better beware we are not out numbered close to 50% voted R ..for a reason!! bring it on , playing golf while ny city is still suffering what no more visits to see how miserbly FEMA has failed disgusting!!!!!!!!!!!

          • http://twitter.com/yahneverknowCB yahneverknow

            1. They don’t bother doing the math.
            2. When they DO lose their job, somehow it will be the fault of a rich white racist Romney supporter who did it for revenge.

            I stand by my description:

            Trying to have rational discourse with most Liberals is like trying to bowl with a porcupine. Wear gloves.

          • jsolbakken

            I’m truly sorry to be the one to tell you the bad news, but the communists don’t want you or your husband to live; they want you to die, and they’re mad that it is taking so long.

        • http://twitter.com/BlissDesignz Tabitha Taylor

          Forbes found that business owners will lose approximately 50% of their total profit if not more from the Obamacare obamanation, but libs know nothing about business or even basic economics. Add to that all the profit lost thanks to Obama’s admin with his war on the private sector & it shows a business under Obama is anything but sustainable. I know so many business owners that left the US to operate abroad over the last 4 years & many that shut their doors. Anyone even attempting to stay afloat with any employees under these conditions makes them a hero IMHO. They should be commended.

          • JINNASH

            “libs know nothing about business or even basic economics”. I agree that some do not understand, the rest are democrat loyalists or flat out lazy. I can’t tell you how many Obama voters I’ve met who except to be taken care of by O. And then they call themselves intelligent, free thinkers, etc.

          • jsolbakken

            A lot of libs know the truth well enough, but they are criminals who use their understanding for evil rather than good. Like a mob lawyer or a locksmith who takes up safe-cracking.

          • jsolbakken

            Ironically, the destruction of the employee system might help guys like me who run dinky little partnerships and therefore do not bear the burden of succoring itty bitty baby employees. Because we are able to run lean we can underbid the competition.

      • Tony Johnson

        Ok, you pick up the tab for the hundreds of pizzas sold every day by a small business that are $0.14 more expensive due to current policies.

      • $21790226

        Problem is it may be .14 cents for this .20 cents for that ..but over the years the pizza has cost us $5.00 more and rising.

      • http://www.facebook.com/daisykh Daisy Kristina Hill

        Okay. Imagine you are barely living paycheck to paycheck, now imagine the cost of everything goes up by 14 cents per 20 oz…how are you going to survive? Would only a selfish person be worried about your well being?

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Richard-McClatchey/1411130266 Richard McClatchey

          That’s a very good point. A little here, a little there equals a whole lot down the road. Faulty logic to say the least.

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Richard-McClatchey/1411130266 Richard McClatchey

            Extra money owed is passed on down to the customer who is already hard pressed as it is! Inflation quickly adds up and soon people will not be able to afford just the basics.

          • gatorbait51

            A little here , a little there, yes , it does add up, like cancer.. There is no logic and it is all based on permanent adolesence

      • Belinda Henry

        Then you open a pizza shop and buy health insurance for them, sounds like you have real skills.

        • $22639970

          BWA-HA-HA-HA-HA. Belinda, the only skill Moochy has is the skill to eat.

      • jules2u

        Where are you getting $750 a year, that is the TAX an individual will pay if they do not obtain insurance, that is not the cost the employer to provide them with that benefit or the many others included in the bill. Try at least a couple thousand PER employee in new costs.

      • http://twitter.com/ramskates Rae Ann McCurry

        You have no idea what you’re talking about. It’s more like an extra $750 per month per employee.

      • Garth Haycock

        You have no idea how a business works, do you?

      • bananafanafo

        Is that for one employee? NOT SURE ON UR MATH HONEY

      • http://twitter.com/SandraHopes2 Sandra Hopes

        It all ads up Michelle, as I am sure you will find out when hyperinflation hits us because of liberal policies and it will. It did when Carter was in office and it isn’t far off now.

      • Just Another Guy

        Your ignorance of running a business explains a lot about why you voted for Obama.

      • Shawn Smith

        Do you understand the effects of tiny costs compounded hundreds of thousands of times over? It becomes quite significant. These employers (some *former* employers) aren’t doing this out of spite. If they want to make money, or even just not *lose* money. It’s what they must do.

        You don’t appear to understand much about economics, or how a business works.

      • lcky9

        Here’s how things will be working now and I have already gotten in a good practice the last 3 years when I saw what was coming down the road.. We only buy fast food from our local VFW.. (WE SUPPORT THE VETS).. THAN on other foods I wait for a sale on foods I like and buy 5.. one to eat.. 2 for later (depending on how long and and the price between when I buy and when it goes on sale again,.. that way I can wait for a really good sale)..1 or 2 for a family/neighbor/friend who might be in need ..I also buy clothes for the kids on sale at the end of the year in a size or two larger.. buy my gifts for others that way also. so I think getting in FRONT of paying $750 a year INCREASE per employee IS a GREAT reason.. how about YOU pick up that amount??

      • dreamkitten61

        My boyfriend works as a mechanic at a dealership. I asked him what his boss thought of Obama getting re elected. He said his boss wasn’t happy. His boss told him he intends to pass the extra money he has to pay out to the government onto his customers. So, the next time you have to get your car fixed, go to the doctor, buy groceries, etc. Remember that voting Obama and paying more for everything was worth it to you.

      • dreamkitten61

        I work at a hospital in Illinois. We haven’t had a raise in 4 years because things are not getting better. Our insurance keeps going up. We are working short staffed.
        Here are some statistics that our hospital just came out with.
        Nearly 1 in 3 hospitals in Illinois operate in the red. Another 12% had operating margins of less than 2%. ( If hospitals close, or services are cut, this effects the employees, patients and the community. Our hospital has a volunteer auxillary that donates thousands of dollars to the community every year. If the hospital closes, the community loses that.)
        $2.23 billion is absorbed by Illinois hospitals because of underpayment by Medicaid and Medicare. (this will only get worse)
        The number of illinois residents on medicaid has doubled in ten years. Medicaid is the only health insurance for 1/3 of the children in Illinois. Over half of the births in Illinois are paid by Medicaid. (This will only get worse)
        Hospitals are the 4th largest contributor of state revenue. Illinois hospitals are among the top 3 employers in nearly half of the state’s counties. (When the hospitals have to operate under the new Obamacare guidelines I believe we will see many hospitals closing their doors. Along with those closings we will have more community unemployment, less available health care and less money for the communities and state.)
        I have talked to several doctors and many of them are not happy. Some intend to retire. Others will refuse to except Medicare and Medicaid any more.
        Because so many people on Medicaid are using the ER like its their own personal doctors to avoid paying copays at a regular doctors or having to fill a prescription, the hospitals are having to charge up front for ER services unless it is an actual emergency.
        So when Obamacare is in full blown mode, and our government health care is run like they run the government health care on Indian reservations, our attitude will also become like the Indians’ toward health care. -Don’t get sick after July because the money for services won’t be there.-

      • Gusta

        I have run a pizza business, and even if you are a franchisee-manager (the cheapest way to start as a franchisee), it’s going to cost a hell of a lot more than “.14 a pizza”. When I ran a store, $10,000 in sales per week was considered good, and at about $11.00 average pie price, an extra .14 is about $127 a week. That could NEVER pay for all employees at that store to have health insurance. It isn’t “selfish”, it’s “math”. oh, right, public education….

        • jsolbakken

          See, just like I’ve been saying for 40 years, they are not dumbing us down just for the fun of it, they have a practical purpose: when we are finally completely and utterly dumb, they will kill us. Because the dumb are easier to kill.

      • http://www.facebook.com/bruce.creech.5 Bruce Creech

        Apparently you, like the Pelosi, haven’t read the bill. You will pay taxes if you have insurance. You will pay a tax if you DON’T have insurance. Fed law was 40 hours. Obamacare has changed that to 30. Now, unless you’ve run a business, I would suggest you sit, shut your trap because you have no clue what goes in to operating a business or the intelligence to operate one.

      • Christian

        did you every take economics in college? Have you ever run a business? I am gonna say no to both. Selfish people like you have ruined this country. Others are trying to repair what you keep shitting on. Stop being selfish and think about what you have done to America.

      • Kid Liberty

        Did the math on this, your “14 cents per pizza” translates into over $40,800,000 per year. How many companies do you know that can afford a nearly 41 million dollar increase in expenses and stay afloat, without making cuts elsewhere?

        • Grumpa Grumpus

          @Kid Liberty:
          And, that $41mil. figure assumes a stable sales volume— which in the current economy is, to understate, problematic.

      • http://www.facebook.com/TheToad Thomas Duensing

        You’re obviously do not know much about running a business.

      • $22639970

        The ignorance of Obamasses never ceases. It’s not 14 cents per pizza, it’s added cost to every single transaction in the economy and it adds up faster than your clueless self can imagine.

      • jsolbakken

        $750 per year times 1000 employees is…(counts on fingers and toes)…$750,000. That is a major chunk of change to just fork over for nothing. Hey, if it was only 500 employees the cost would only be…(fingers and toes)…$375,000.00 Wow, I can keep my business alive, perhaps, and save $375,000.00 I would need to buy all the new machinery and equipment I’ll need to run the business with the skeleton crew that remains.

    • Blue Trooth

      Are you saying In N Out cannot afford the tax credits? Or is it the employee expense deduction you can’t afford?

    • Black Dynamite

      go out of business then.

      • West_Coast

        Who will support you?

        YOU?

        At least if you EVER worked for me, you’d be trading a commodity for a commodity, instead of a cheap, meaningful one night stand with the government by enlisting welfare.

        LOL.

    • http://twitter.com/Zalatix Zalatix

      I hope you’re thrown out of business. You can and will be replaced.

    • Penmar

      I miss In-n-Out Burger, used to live in Irvine. Wish you the best in your business, hopefully you can hang on a bit longer, 2014 we’ll try again through the Senate.

      • Guest

        I’m about 40 minutes from Irvine…one of the nicest cities in America :)

    • http://www.facebook.com/wendytheprinter Wendy Johnson

      Amen! West_Coast I justed posted above your post. We are on the same page. These people are not understanding. They depend on the Gov. and do not understand the lives of the people who do not!

      • kathy

        hope the 60% youth vote who put him back in enjoys life on the dole!!!!!

      • YaseminaM

        Ah the old “depending on the Government” argument – Wendy, you DO realize that most of the people on welfare “depending” on the government are from “red” states….right?!

        • epp.opp.ork.ahh.ahh

          How does it matter what state they’re from? Most ‘red’ states also have around 40% Democrats.

        • $22639970

          That doesn’t preclude their being Obamasses, so who cares?

    • http://twitter.com/SandraHopes2 Sandra Hopes

      When I first moved out of parents home many years ago I was mortified at the cost of all those things they had provided to me for free, but I got over it. I got a job, and supported first myself and later my children. Now that same shock factor has kids leaving home wanting those who worked all their lives to just give them what they have, and if they won’t just give it up, they want the government to take it. Well kids people who got rich over the years did so because they were smart, and they are smart enough to keep what they earned. If that means letting you go because you voted for something they were against, so be it. You’ll get over it eventually. What is mine is not yours, and no I will not let the government take it from, I worked for it so my own family would have something.

    • tomincol

      Most folks who HAVE read the bill know it has nothing to do with health insurance. It is about rules/edicts/fiats against the private insurance industry.

    • $23089169

      They were warned. We didn’t make the rules of this game but we will play to win. No tears shed for any Obama voters – you get what you deserve. I am exercising my freedom to hire only conservatives from now on.

    • http://www.facebook.com/TheToad Thomas Duensing

      I believe you 100%. I’m sure the layoff and hours cuts are needed.

    • Joe Smith

      i hear ya and agree but what exactly is it about the obamacare,i know 30hours or more have to offer medical but what percentage is the business supposed to pay and is there any additional taxes even if you dont have over 50 employees please post thanks

  • Mr. Grammar/SpellCkr

    I said it before, and I’ll say it again. Obama is the least-qualified person in any room he’s in to be the leader of the free world.

  • TEXANONLY

    This is just another reason I have decided not to help people anymore, especially democrats(figure it out). It is just beginning you liberal idiots.

    • Marcy Cook

      Jay I said the very thing the other day. I used to say I will stand with all Americans in any crisis. That day is over. I stand only with those who think like I do and work like I do and produce like I do. I will never lend a hand to anyone else anymore. The only unfortunate thing is that I can’t control the taxes that are stolen from my hard work and given to these scum.

      • http://twitter.com/Indiana_Infidel Indiana Infidel

        Who is John Galt?

        • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_MVB7D2KTCEW6NQCZ3JQMOHPFOU V.L.

          We’re all John Galt!

          • Bizness22

            Directive 10-289 incoming.

      • Fernyyy

        When donation time rolls around I’ll be reminding folks I gave at the IRS. Talk to the gov’t, they’re giving out all the free stuff.

        • Marcy Cook

          That’s my plan too Fernyyy.

      • Michelle Blackwell

        Unfortunately, most of the donation goes from blue states to red states. Red states get more federal welfare subsidized by blue state taxes. So, as NJ/NY goes, so do you.

    • oo

      i agree no more help…NONE…let N.J. and N.Y. rot on the vine..they want this …give it to them in spades…

  • my preciousss!!

    obviously these creatures are NOT business owners. they are nothing but hate-tweet mongers doing it on their employers’ time.

  • Mike Horve

    We have treaded water for 4 years and we can’t do it for 4 more. If u people ran a business instead of bitch, u might know what you’re talking about.

    • BigTBoom

      And while treading water, the government was adding lead weights around your neck.

  • Jens Christian

    What a bunch of morons!

  • EastValleyConservative

    Please note one of those tweets wondered if there was anything that could be done TO those people doing the laying off. This is what you are dealing with, people who complain and then ask that someone be “pounced” upon them.

  • Marcy Cook

    We warned those idiots…you reap what you sow…elections have consequences. If they care so much why don’t they demand that obama have a press conference to tell us what his plan is to help businesses and to encourage job creation? And not just job creation for his union cronies but for every American. Maybe obama needs to show us that he is not un-American himself. Maybe if he would show us he is not out to destroy us we might all come around..a little…just a little… The problem is the left wants to take everything from us and wants us to help people keep their jobs but they don’t want to do anything to reach out to us. So….consequences folks…consequences.

  • Rella

    How long before Libs start screaming the guberment needs to do something – like take over those businesses.

    • therantinggeek

      Give it another day or two.

    • Lienathan

      It’s already up there in the original post.

    • Michelle Blackwell

      Probably never. That is a common lie that Rush and Fox News like to throw around to scare the rubes.

      • Maria Seeger

        Keep telling yourself that. And when Obama starts nationalizing even more businesses like he did the auto industry because “they’re too big to fail”, then keep reminding yourself that that’s not really a government take over. The thing to watch for though, is when he starts trying to nationalize the oil and gas industry a la Mexico and other countries. But, of course, you Democrats wil simply shrug it off and justify it as being done “for the greater good” and because Republicans are too stupid to kmow what’s good for them.
        But, as the DNC likes to say: “We all belong to the government”. (Look up the campaign ad on YouTube, folks).

        • Michelle Blackwell

          Really? The bailed out auto companies are part of the government now. I must have missed that. My Ford and GM stocks certainly didn’t get that message.

          Did you have the same reaction when Bush bailed out the banks?

          • Finrod Felagund

            News Flash: the government still owns most of GM. If you didn’t have your head up Obama’s ass you might know that.

          • Michelle Blackwell

            The government owns GM stock. They are an owner like any stockholder is an owner. At least they got that, unlike Bush who just gave away taxpayer money to the banks with no collateral.

          • Finrod Felagund

            Except we were told that the government would get its money back from GM, except that the stock is worth maybe 1/3rd what the gov’t paid for it. Recapitalizing the banks kept them from wiping out FDIC completely which was the other option. That money that went to the banks covered the deposits of people like me and you.

          • Michelle Blackwell

            We were also told that banks would self-regulate if released from their restrictions. I guess everyone was lied to.

          • Gallatin

            Yes.

          • Kevin Krom

            Ford didn’t take bailouts, and GM is again on the verge of bankruptcy.

      • Finrod Felagund

        Like Grima Wormtongue, liars very frequently accuse others of lying.

    • Bob Khan

      Probably very soon. I fail to see how Libs claim to be so intelligent, yet they don’t have an ounce worth of common sense among them.

    • WhiteFalcon1

      “the Equality of Opportunity Act”? Atlas Shrugs

  • Grognard

    They are all perfectly free to create their own businesses and hire all of those people displaced. We’ll wait.

    • Kevin Krom

      Business owners don’t get Obamaphones, food stamps, and EBT cards. I doubt this crowd will jump in to “save the day”.

  • jebmonster

    Why do liberals not understand, that small businesses can not afford it anymore. They have been holding on waiting to see if Romney was elected so they could keep their employees. They were told this was going to happen, did they just think these business owners were lying. Half of the big companies were told not to tell their employees till after election and violated the WARN law. I can not believe they do not understand how the economy works. Just wait till their doctors started leaving. They are delusional.

    • Kevin Krom

      Liberalism is a mentality that rejects rational thought in favor of feelings and emotions. The idea that actions have consequences and that these consequences can be predicted is completely foreign to them.

  • TeamBella76

    Liberals are pathetic ! WE SAW THIS COMING YOU FOOLS ! And your trying to blame the owners ? This pisses me off some of these business owner aren’t the richest people they have to live too. Liberals are mad because WE WERE RIGHT !

  • Agswin01

    We’re all out of our league here, we’re dealing with an exceedingly high business and/or economic IQ with these tweets. I mean, it all makes perfect sense…business owners feign self-preservation by laying-off some employees and cite their concern over the economy/impending regulations/Obamacare burdens, etc. only to sabotage said economy and eventually have to shut down completely when it all crashes.

    It’s brilliant, we’re all just not smart enough to see through the plot…but fortunately these highly enlightened liberals are.

  • Jack Deth

    What’s going to happen to these whiny, dirty diapered babies when Mommy and Daddy’s bank, checking, 401K and savings accounts start to become very, very anemic overnight?

    Because they are next on the agenda.

    Businesses create jobs and profits.
    Income from the jobs and profit pay taxes.
    Taxes pay for governments, both state and Federal.
    State and Federal governments have become so large
    that business taxes cannot fill those coffers.
    Profits drop off. Employees are laid off.
    And businesses eventually sink under an ocean of taxes.
    While those governments go looking for new avenues of
    Revenue Enhancement.

  • Lord Foggybottom

    You’ll never get a cogent thought or rational discussion from an Obama supporter.

  • orringtonmom (D)

    libtards, just go about your business. jobs and the economy didn’t seem to concern you enough before the election, don’t look like a bunch of jackasses by pretending you care now. seriously, you got your wish, go enjoy your happy vaginas.

    the timing to me indicates business owners that were waiting for hope… and it didn’t come. the decision to lay off was made before the election. it could have been different.

    • Concerned

      Exactly what I was thinking. They were already hurting but out of generosity tried to hang on to see if there could be hope for them… But there wasn’t.

    • Michelle Blackwell

      More of the liberal rage and hate, I see people on this board talking about.

      • orringtonmom (D)

        oh i’m sorry. i offended you? you offend me by acting like you care about jobs now when you seemed more interested in my uterus before the election. so yeah… rage. deal with it.

    • http://twitter.com/wenegne Tamara D. Clark

      spot-on!! ^5

  • JustLikeAnimals

    Obama supporters are, hands down, some of the most “challenged” people on the planet when it comes to understanding business and the economy. Businesses survive and succeed by mastering the balance of income and expense within their enterprise. The administration’s policies have long guaranteed that expenses related to personnel costs and taxes on income are going to increase markedly. Obama’s re-election now memorializes those increasing costs. They are going to happen, period.

    So, it becomes incumbent on any competent manager as the steward of any enterprise to forecast the financial impact of those impending costs and make necessary adjustments to internal dynamics that drive those related expenses. So, expect two things to occur: 1) the leaning out of human resources, since every FTE will bring additional HR costs in the form of increased healthcare costs mandated by the guarantee of Obamacare, and reduce as far as possible those related liabilities (the costs) by decreasing as far as practical the number of people employed in the enterprise, and; 2) analysis of the price of goods and/or services provided to determine what increases need to be implemented to help cover the increased cost of those people who can’t be let go. Ideally, one would also look to increase the size of market share to help offset those impending cost increases, but given the current state of the marketplace, that is not really a strategy one can count on at this point.

    So Boeing, for example, has decided to let a large population of it’s management go (those are probably business-loving Republicans!) because they can reduce overall personnel cost quickly, by virtue of salary gradient between management and line-level employees), and by not having to pay their health-related costs because they no longer work there. It’s really not that complicated, and it’s how business survives and succeeds. Not that most liberals understand anything about that, and those that do are probably scratching their heads today and wondering “what the hell have we done?” But I doubt it.

    The bottom line takeway is it’s Capitalism, and it’s what this country was built upon. The 13 original colonies were not social or political entities. They were squarely created under corporate charters. Get over it.

    • Marcy Cook

      Maybe the coming hard times for the libs will force them to finally learn why capitalism is the only thing that works. It will be rough but tough live is what is needed. I use the word love loosely.

  • Shawn Smith

    The next logical step (if you follow their “logic”) will be passing laws preventing businesses from firing employees to compensate for tough economic times. The result will be a permanently high level of unemployment (much like Europe) because businesses will be reluctant to hire people if they’re going to have a hard time getting rid of them.

    Welcome to Hell. #War

  • walterc

    These people are actually stupid enough to believe that a small business owner is willing to reduce his business (or in some case close completely) out of spite.

  • moonsbreath

    Apparently, these brilliant people haven’t looked at the list of the large corporations who have passed out pink slips for they would see a good majority of them were Obama supporters.

  • NumbuhOne

    Looks like Atlas is starting to shrug.

  • hurtin1

    If you’re an Obama voter, you likely think the jobs are given out of magnanimity and generosity, and eliminated for reasons of greed and coldheartedness so this makes perfect sense.

    Businesses are – get this – business. If these employers are wrong, they’ll pay the price and lose money for their decisions. They’re taking a loss in scope by letting people go. They’re doing this because they know they can’t afford keeping them on.

    • Michelle Blackwell

      So, the employees that they have to handle current demand are suddenly too much, so they are intentionally deceasing their size to still pay the same percentage share in taxes on lower profits? So by their logic paying $5k on $50k in profit is better than paying $10k on $100k in profits? Wow. They don’t deserve to be in business then.

      • Kevin Krom

        Labor is a cost. If that cost is too high for the expected return, the business will cut the cost. By increasing the cost to hire and retain an employee, government is exerting pressure that in effects reduces the incentives to have them.

        • Michelle Blackwell

          But if you require employees to maximize profits are you better off deliberately reducing your workforce and your profits or paying slightly more in taxes on higher profits. Most smart business people would say they’d pay 15% tax on $100k in profit rather than 5% tax on $50k in profit.

          I know I’d take 85k profit after taxes over 47.5k any day of the week. These business owners are opting for 47.5k. Good luck growing your business with that strategy.

      • http://twitter.com/yahneverknowCB yahneverknow

        Please, please stop. I’ve been trying to ignore you because that’s just easier, but you just used this word: logic.

        “I do not think it means what you think it means.”

  • Im_Rick_James

    What we’re up against – abject morons, all of these shmucks…

  • Dwayne P Theriot

    Yeah! because someone will ruin their business and their lives “JUST” to get back at Obama. Liberals may be stupid and vicious enough to do that, but “REAL” Americans don’t.

    • Michelle Blackwell

      Hold on to that belief despite all evidence to the contrary.

      Also, if liberals aren’t “REAL Americans” then can you provide me with an accurate definition of “REAL American”? So, I can be as informed as your 13 up voters are?

    • oo

      amerika is dead….do you understand…DEAD…the stench will get stronger and stronger as we near total decay…God has left the new Sodom and Gomorrah and nothing can save it now…the Parasites voted for the Antichrist..DNC Convention voted 3 times to expel God…He is gone…we have become a “Dead Nation Walking” and the Parasites will turn on the King of the Parasites Obama…The Antichrist….

      • Michelle Blackwell

        Okay, but if God intended it to happen, it can’t possibly be bad right?

        • oo

          you are right…God intended to get voted out of the Demoncrap party..not once..not twice but three times…God intended to get thrown out of our schools so a satanic education system could brain wash them into a moral decline such as not happened since Sodom and Gomorrah… your are right God intended for His Marriage and Family system to be destroyed by the Abomination of homosexual perversion and spiting in the face of Almighty God and one of the worse abominations is the re-election of the Antichrist Obama…and he is the Antichrist…or the one who leads us into perdition…a nation that spits at and mocks God will not long exist and in fact is already dead…we have died we just don’t know it yet….woe unto us and our children…the clock has stopped…we will perish…are you ready for judgment…..

      • v1cious

        HAHAHAHAHA oh wow. You’re the best one so far.

  • Im_Rick_James

    If you voted for Zero, you were warned, and you had this coming. Own it libs – taste it.

  • Streetiebird

    So companies are laying people off because they can’t afford an extra $750 per year per employee? Sounds like these businesses could fire one or two people to cover the costs of all the others, but they’re choosing to fire numerous employees which shows their true colors. The rightwing media like Twitchy are just covering for what is a very distasteful move from these kool aid drinking employers.

    • $270502

      It should be illegal to fire people. Unless, of course, they’re Republicans.

      • Streetiebird

        Cool story bro. Sorry these rightwing employers can’t afford another $62.50 per month per employee, their incredible business acumen must be failing them.

        • $270502

          No need to apologize.

        • Maria Seeger

          Listen, Oh Clever One: If you’re under the impression that the only people laying people off are small business owners, and the only reason that people are being laid off is because Obama won, then you are living in FantasyLand. Sure, the small business owners are the most vocal about it, but a lot of large corporations are also giving people the pink slip.
          And these corporations aren’t laying people off because of ObamaCare. They’re laying people off because their customers are no longer able to pay for their services or buy their products. And yes, they can afford to scale back their hours, and many of them are doing that. But the American Worker is not going to have much incentive to keep going to work because they know they’re fixing to be taxed out the wazoo, espeically if they make 250K a year or more.
          The Rich don’t like to be taxed, and they’re very good at avoiding paying taxes; Obama can’t stop them from leaving the country or outsourcing their businesses. When NYC started charging more taxes to their wealthiest citizens, their wealthiest citizens just packed up and moved out of NYC and to other states that don’t have state income tax. NYC & New York state lost a lot of income it couldn’t afford to lose.
          So you can sit there and smugly point out that we’re all morons for panicking, but tell that to Boeing and other large companies that are going under. But the bottom line is…Republicans don’t owe Democrats jack sh*t. Call us unAmerican all you want and look down your oh-so-superior “grown-up” nose at us pesky children who refuse to toe your DNC party line and worship your leader. Bottom line: You can’t force corporations and businesses not to lay off people.
          The idea of making it illegal to fire people is ridiculous because, just like doctors getting out of the healthcare profession b/c Obamacare penalizes them for making money and Medicare/Medicaid doesn’t pay enough reimbursements to make it worth their while, there’s nothing to stop the Mom & Pops from just closing up job and declaring bankruptcy. After all, according to YOUR President, The Government owns us and we are supposed to be happy to be in its service. So why not just stop producing altogether and join the long lines at the unemployment office and the food stamp office like everyone else is doing?
          Now, I’m sure you’re getting ready to smirk at me and call me silly names just to make yourself feel better, but just remember….even your up-and-coming tech company isn’t immune to the coming economic disaster. Enjoy your paycheck while it lasts.

          • Streetiebird

            Wow, where to begin. Yes, some firms tied to the medical device industry are laying people off because of the new medical device tax, but those are not the ones we’re talking about. I’m talking about these small to medium sized businesses that think they need to fire everyone until they reach 50 employees. I think those people are doing it partially out of spite because they could easily afford to pay the fee instead of providing insurance if they chose. And you say that people are no longer able to pay for services, but how did that change overnight? Those problems are in no way tied directly to Obama’s election are they? Did I call anyone un-american? You claim Obama penalizes doctors for making money, but that is just not the case, doctors are being handed millions of new patients so the demand for doctors will only increase. And where does Obama say the Government “owns us and we are supposed to be happy to be in its service”? Do you think this was a “government takeover” of healthcare as those in the rightwing media portray it? This was a massive handout to insurance companies because Republicans defeated the public option. You also claim there is a direct correlation between taxes and millionaires, but that’s a common myth among the rightwing media. It turns out taxes have very little to do with both millionaires choosing to live somewhere, and very little to do with stimulating the economy. The GOP just tried to squash the report that says all lowering taxes for the wealthy does is increase income inequality and it does very little to stimulate tax revenue or stimulate the economy. Look it up since you won’t hear about it on Rush Limbaugh or Hannity.

          • Maria Seeger

            Look up the DNC ad on youtube that says “We all belong to the government because it’s all we have in common.” The ad is designed to promote the idea that we can all use the government for good. Funny, I was raised to believe that the government belonged to us.

            As for you vaunted “income equality” that your President and political party espouse, that’s largely a myth. It’ll never happen. There will never be a level playing field, because people are not the same and some have more abilities and intelligence than others. There will always be those whose incomes exceed that of the average citizen, and a lot of those 1% ers that your kind keeps bleating about are Democrats, whom I”m sure will more than happy to pay their fair share so that the less fortunate can be helped through the redistribution of the Rich Democrat’s income.
            And yes, this is a government takeover of health care. Obama and his cronies have already admitted that their ultimate goal is to have the same kind of national healthcare system that Europe and Canada has. That’s not a rightwing theory; it is admitted Democrat policy. Wake up and smell the coffee.

          • Streetiebird

            The “We all belong” thing was by the city of Charlotte and was not produced by the DNC. And it’s actually not that bad of a message. As far as the national healthcare system, it’s my goal as well! My conscience doesn’t allow me to feel good about letting poor people die without the healthcare they need while the insurance companies make massive profit. Wake up and realize that it’s not a clandestine conspiracy but a valid opinion that many Americans share to want to provide healthcare to everyone.

          • Michelle Blackwell

            Have you ever been to NYC? Plenty of ridiculously rich people still live there. There is always all of this talk about rich people fleeing taxes. In reality, no one leaves. If they did, I would be able to get a decent apartment in Manhattan for less than $3mil. So, find something else. NJ has some of the highest taxes in the nation yet it is also one of the most densely populated states.

            If the thrust of your statement is true, Wyoming would be packed to bursting and all of those podunk, forgotten, inconsequential states in the mid-west wouldn’t be called fly-over country. Everyone fleeing all of the laws and regulations in the northeast would be settling there. Instead, the people you guys here hate so much in the Blue states subsidize the lifestyles and State budgets of people in the red states. Then we have to listen to you belly-ache and moan over how bad government is, while my taxes go to fix your roads and finance your schools because your state is unable to do it without our assistance. So before you start complaining about income redistribution and taxes make sure a vast majority of the base of your entire party isn’t siphoning tax money from the liberal blue states to make ends meet.

          • Maria Seeger

            Sorry, sweetheart. I live in Texas, and unlike some of the blue states, MY state is in the black financially.

          • Michelle Blackwell

            Congratulations. Your surrounding states aren’t.

          • gr82cu2

            Mine too! Indiana here :) Speaking of taxes on business. Illinois got so out of control that many businesses there packed up and moved over the border to Indiana. Thanks Illinois!!!!

          • Grumpa Grumpus

            @Maria Seeger:
            Excellent!
            Except for 1 tiny correction:

            …and Medicare/Medicaid doesn’t pay enough reimbursements to make it worth their while,…

            For accuracy’s sake should be:
            …cover the cost of seeing the patient.
            If a doctor changed their practice to mostly medicare/medicaid, they’d have to furlough the nurse after day 2, the office staff after day 3, and close the doors by morning of day 4.

    • YeahWeWill

      Mr ” I’ve got mine” is back to lecture on his vast knowledge of the economy. You really should consider getting your tunnel vision checked!

      • Streetiebird

        So the guy who fired 20+ employees did it because he can’t afford the extra $62.50 a month per employee? Really??

        • YeahWeWill

          You honestly believe that the sum total amounts to $62.50 per person? You are so out of touch with the reality of business that it is laughable for you to even comment on these subjects. Gain a little real world business management experience and then revisit your comments.

          • Streetiebird

            You seem to have a different figure. What exactly will it cost per worker per month?

          • YeahWeWill

            Here is an example cited by Kentucky Fried Chicken franchise owner David Barr; Barr has 23 stores with 421 employees, 109 of whom are full-time. Of those, he provides 30 with health insurance. Barr pays 81 percent of their Blue Cross Blue Shield policy, or $4,073 of $5,028 for individuals, more for families, for a total bill of $129,000 a year. Employees pay $995.

            Under Obamacare, however, he must provide health insurance for all 109 full-time workers, a cost of $444,000, or two and half times more than his current costs. That $315,000 increase is equal to just over half his annual profit, after expenses, or 1.5 percent of sales.Providing no insurance would result in a federal fine of $158,000,which is $29,000 more than he currently pays. These are the stories I read in the various business forums.

    • Finrod Felagund

      Got math?

    • Bizness22

      Tell me more about the number of payrolls you’ve managed.

      • Streetiebird

        Tell me more about how much you think Obamacare is going to cost. You seem to not understand the basics of it.

        • Guest

          I asked you first.

          • Streetiebird

            Okay “Guest”. Well done.

        • Bizness22

          So none. What a surprise.

          • Streetiebird

            None. Your turn.

    • http://Twitter.com/jkerrysforehead John Kerry’s Forehead

      Warning: Completely uninformed Obama-drone ignorant simpleton above. Obviously hasn’t read ACA nor ever owned/operated a business before…but wait, will probably come back with, “I have a PhD in Economics and have owned a small business for 10 years…” bull shit. Read the ACA and then get back to me. Fool.

      • Streetiebird

        And you have read the ACA cover to cover, well done!

  • fuskiegirl21

    They can’t afford Obamacare or higher taxes. Just reality, welcome to it.

  • TooOldToBeCool

    But I thought Obama was okay with doing something for “revenge”.

  • MishMashFL

    The Obamacare requires insurance for those who work 30+ hours/week and have more than 50 employees. Its very very expensive for employers to keep employees. Many employers while not laying off people are cutting hours to 28 hours/week. Question: Which is better to collect unemployment and have food stamps or have working hours cut to 28 hours/week?

  • pairadimes

    Yea, those crazy business owners and managers forgoing all that wealth creation just so they can be seen as sore losers. That’s it, alright. How is it possible that someone could say something as pluperfectly stupid as this without consequence? Or that we have a President who would sit there and nod his head at it?

  • http://www.iranaware.com/ American Infidels

    Yep,Bush did it,I told you I needed another 8trillion to finish the job didn’t I? Stupid liberals..let them burn themselves.we know how to survive,when the EBT cards are empty,and the phone run out of mi utes,they will cry.but we will have food and phones:)

  • Kevin Krom

    Business owners are not firing/laying off because Obama won; they had previously been resisting firing or laying off people in the hopes that he wouldn’t.

  • Brion

    These very people need to see the books for themselves and see how they can make a go of it. It is so easy to spout off, but unless you actually own a business and try to make it work, is entirely different. These people need a taste of reality.

  • scubaski00

    I hope every single loser that voted for Obama in 2008 or 2012 loses everything they ever owned and their jobs!!!

    • Michelle Blackwell

      Is this the liberal hate I hear so much about on this site?

      • Maria Seeger

        Pretty much like the liberal condescension that spews out of your fingers every time you deign to post a reply on here. What, you seriously expect conservatives to keep turning the other cheek and allow you “Progressives” to keep on defining how we’re supposed to act? That’s not going to happen. Conservatives are through being Mr./Ms. Nice Guy/NIce Gal.
        Feel free ton continue with your condescending bleating, little Miss Sheeple, though…I wouldn’t want to lower your self-esteem. So, you bleat, I’ll pretend to listen and care about your opinion, only out of sheer politeness.

        • Michelle Blackwell

          Except I actually haven’t said anything that you haven’t already said yourselves on this site.

          And I’ve seen your “politeness”. Accusations of “spew” and “stupid” continuous name calling in a post that you say you will be polite in. You don’t even have an internal consistency.

          • Maria Seeger

            I don’t need one, sweetie. I’m becoming more liberal in my mindset every day. I don’t need to be polite to you any longer. It’s not so much what you say as the way you said it. I make no apologies to you. I don’t have to, and I won’t.

          • Michelle Blackwell

            I actually didn’t ask for an apology from you. For someone who complained about condescension you’ve attempted to patronize me by calling me “sweetie”. Do you even see the hypocrisy in that?

          • Guest

            That’s not patronizing…I call lots of people ‘Dear’, ‘Babe’, ‘Sweets’, etc…I’m big on terms of endearment.

      • Guest

        No, this is the conservative’s way of showing you what you asked for when you voted for Obama.

    • http://www.facebook.com/jen.fisher.904 Jen Fisher

      My family feels the same way..I’m done with charity period! I had a bag of clothes to donate they can just sit in the garage….when asked at the grocery store for donation…nope reap it liberals enjoy your socialized country!

  • Mr_Funktastik

    Sounds to me that GenVG just sounded the liberal call to unionize everyone!

  • scubaski00

    We used to donate to a number of worthy causes and charities. Now that obummer is in for another 4 we are done donating!! Charity begins at home. Our income taxes are out donation to charity. How the gov redistributes our money is on them. We will never donate to another cause again!!

    • Michelle Blackwell

      A true patriot. I am honored to have met you.

      • http://twitter.com/wenegne Tamara D. Clark

        that IS a true patriot. we need to get back to where we were, and it won’t happen until all this shit you liberals built falls down around your ears. that will happen when all financial support dries up. then if you’ll kindly step aside, or pull your heads out of your asses and learn how to be accountable for your own lives, you may be part of the solution instead of part of the problem.

    • Marcy Cook

      The only way to teach them is to withdraw all financial support. Make sure if you normally give to certain charities that you tell them the you are no longer give to them because the government will take care of you. We can bring on the collapse sooner and then that will help us bring on the recovery sooner. I would like it if the bad times did not drag on…but I don’t know how quickly it will take the idiot voters to catch on.

  • Raúl Ramírez

    These people are clueless as to how a balance sheet works. You have to make money to keep the business open. However, a large number of Obama supporters, somewhere in the range of 47% of Americans, think businesses have unlimited money like the government does, to hand out or spend at will.

    Would the angry liberals really prefer businesses keep all their employees, lose money, close, then put 100% of their employees out of a job?

  • stuckinIL4now

    Yeah, the libturds, and Obamuh, are pretty good at spewing that line. They’re about to find out what dire consequences this election is going to have.

  • VAMOM2

    Many that I have talked to have already gotten notices from their employers that they can’t afford to offer them healthcare of the same quality at the same price. My brother in Florida was just informed that his company is “transitioning” them to a high deductible HSA, which will cost him an additional $280 a month. My husband just met with the owners of his company yesterday to discuss how they will be able to continue offering healthcare to their employees going forward. In order to offer the same bennies, it will double their cost as employers. This is absolutely insane. I guarantee these conversations are going on in every corner of every legitimate business in this country(well, except for those thousands that were granted f$%#% waivers). Explain to me again…how is this train wreck supposed to save people/employees money? And THEN to read this article, DISGUSTING:

    http://dailycaller.com/2012/11/09/hispanic-group-demands-national-amnesty-for-11-million-illegals/#ixzz2BjBNXUb9

  • Guest

    Directive 10-289 incoming.

  • Michelle Blackwell

    So,businesses are firing people because of the election and people blame Obama?

    Since taxes are based on profits, and losses can be written off how exactly are businesses going bankrupt today when even if he lost Obama would still be president today. What changed between Tuesday evening and today?

    • Kevin Krom

      The simple fact that Obama’s re-election means no relief is in sight. They held on this long hoping that this crap would be reversed; now that it won’t be, there’s no reason to wait any longer to cut the costs that have been imposed on them.

      • Michelle Blackwell

        So, these clever business owners held on to employees while losing money to see if Romney would be elected and then for the next 2 months they would keep those employees and keep holding them until Romney was able to do what exactly? Laws don’t actually change immediately after a new President comes into office.

        • Maria Seeger

          You really are stuck on stupid aren’t you, O Clever One?

          • Michelle Blackwell

            More of this liberal hate, from conservatives who say they are more understanding and more accepting than liberal.

            So instead of explaining anything, I just need to accept your statement or be stupid. I wonder who you would accuse of doing this exact same thing?

          • Maria Seeger

            Why not? Clearly you expect all of us to bow to your superior wisdom. After all, isn’t that why you keep coming back for more abuse? Are you seriously thinking that your posts are going to provide an epiphany for people and we’re all suddenly going to see the light and agree with you? Riiiight.

          • Michelle Blackwell

            You’re wrong. I expect discourse, however you seem to want to attack me for having a different opinion. I mean, after all this lip service about how conservatives are open and understanding unlike those evil liberals you get a chance to truly show how different you are and fail miserably. In true conservative fashion I’m to blame for your failure, there is no personal responsibility for you on this issue at all.

          • http://twitter.com/wenegne Tamara D. Clark

            okay…explain how a business owner OWES you anything? explain how this is ‘revenge’ but obama telling you guys to ‘vote to get revenge’ isn’t? explain why a person who created a business and jobs to try and stimulate the economy isn’t entitled to give up when government intrusion starts helping itself to the profits? i recommend you read (or if you can’t concentrate for that long, watch the movie) ‘Atlas Shrugged’…then tell me that’s not what we’re seeing play out now.

          • Darth_Venomous

            Annnnnnnd…Blackwell shuts up.

            Well done, Tamara. :-)

        • http://twitter.com/wenegne Tamara D. Clark

          laws? what ‘law’, exactly, says that a private sector business owner must be productive? what ‘law’ says they must employ anyone? what ‘law’ says they can’t pull their money out of the economy and cease doing anything that can be taxed? it’s their OWN money on the line in a business, you ding-bat, contrary to ‘you didn’t build that’. there’s not a damn thing to stop them from closing up shop and retiring early. and there’s not thing one the government can do about it. what happens to the poor people then, when the government no longer has private sector tax money to rely on? liberals are killing the goose that laid the golden egg…capitalism. congratulations on taking the rest of us down with you.

    • Maria Seeger

      You know, I was going to try to write a long explanation, but I’ll save my breath because you won’t listen to it anyway, since, like all Obama voters, you think you’re the adult here and the rest of us are just children.
      But for your statement that losses can be written off; that’s true to a certain extent, but there *are* limits to that. And, when companies stop making a profit, because people are no longer buying their product, then they can either reorganize, which involves layoffs, or they can start laying people off. This affects not only small business but major corporations as well. Take Electronic Arts, for example. EA’s stocks are low, their profits from sales of their videogames are much lower than they expected, because of poor craftsmanship, lousy customer services, and people not being able to afford their product. They’ve laid off many people during the last several years and word is that TPTB are trying to sell the company. If they can’t do that, they’ll have no choice but to go belly up…and don’t think it won’t happen given what’s coming down the pike. And guess what…not everyone at EA is a Republican. In fact, I bet some of the members of the executive board are Democrats. That won’t stop them from making the cold-blooded choice of letting people go, because like all other corporations, EA is in business to make a profit for their investors. When profits dry up, investors stop investing, and companies go bankruipt because they can no longer afford to stay in business.
      OK, so I wrote a long explanation anyway, using language I hope you can understand…but like most so-called Progressive Democrats, you’ll just laugh it off.

  • Karl H

    Let the strike begin. Starve the federal government of the resources needed to pay off the looters. They do not need your tax dollars, let them get some of that obama money.

  • w. roberts

    Obviously most of these posters have never run a business. A business owner will not let employees go if the business will be more profitable by keeping the employee. When a workers employment is not profitable for the owner, it is hard to continue the employment of the workers. Most of these people complaining seem to have the mindset of America and never owned a business. They just “want their free s***”

  • Richard Blaine

    “Vote for revenge”, Obama said. “F*ck white people”, you said. “F*ck small business”, you said. “Make them [us] PAY”!, the Democrats said. “Business people are evil!!!”, everyone said. Well, you won. We’re f*cked and we know it. So… We quit. We’ve decided not to be evil any more. We’re not going to oppress you with our abusive paychecks and benefits any more. We release you from your “servitude”. Our profits are so evil that you are going to impose confiscatory tax rates? Well then, we’ll stop making profits. Easy, peasy.

    You want a job? Go get one from a liberal. Maybe Occupy is hiring. Or a Government job, or food stamps. You’ll do fine without us. You say you don’t need us? Now’s your chance to prove it! But don’t ask why tax revenue is down when rates are up, such questions will only make your brain hurt. Don’t wonder about why charitable contributions are drying up, we’ve decided to donate like liberals. Besides, if we don’t make money, we can’t give it (oh, sorry, there’s that brain hurt again).

    And don’t worry about us (not that you would), we’ll be fine. We can take care of ourselves. We have skills, we know how to do things, and we’re armed. Good luck to you all, and God bless!

    • Marcy Cook

      Excellent Richard. This is what they want. This is what they get. And we will be fine because we have been preparing for this. All the libs were preparing for was that we would lay down and let them take everything from us.

    • WhiteFalcon1

      We’ve decided not to be evil any more. We’re not going to oppress you
      with our abusive paychecks and benefits any more. We release you from
      your “servitude”.

      OOORRAAAHHH!!! There it is!

    • JeannieJ

      That was FANTASTIC! Thanks for writing it!

    • v1cious

      “We have skills, we know how to do things, and we’re armed.”

      Man you guys crack me up with this stuff.

      • Richard Blaine

        Yeah, people actually able to do for themselves is often too much for the liberal mind to handle.

  • http://www.facebook.com/linda.clarksetters Linda Clark Setters

    OMG, why are people so ignorant? Probably none of the people posting have any idea what Obamacare is going to do financially to businesses…stupid stupid people

    • medicinewomantwo

      you have to have an edumacation to understand financial structures in a business…you have a generation who think chicken is born in plastic wrap and a panic when the battery is low on their cell phone………..

  • cgraham77

    People are not going to put their MONEY on the line for REVENGE you stupid dopes!! And you really think business owners are going to FIRE employees for REVENGE? Stake their businesses for REVENGE?? Holy crap…liberals are absolutely the DUMBEST group of people to exist.

    And last I checked…THEY were the party of “Revenge!”

  • medicinewomantwo

    Hmmmm…lets see, with every store closing that’s X amount of money not going to the government for the entitlements…………….they may have something there.

    • http://twitter.com/wenegne Tamara D. Clark

      Atlas is shrugging…big time

      • medicinewomantwo

        Unfortunately, about 2/3rds of the voters are clueless to what that even means but you’re right.

    • Michelle Blackwell

      Yes and all those people who can’t find jobs can starve and die. Brilliant!

      • medicinewomantwo

        The stores have no choice, pure and simple………scream at your government……few derive pleasure from failure………..

        • Michelle Blackwell

          I see a lot of people hoping for failure, more firings and civil war on this board.

          • medicinewomantwo

            I see alot of fear and uncertainty..and alot of anger because many SB people knew the new regs kicking in would be the death of their business……….Facts are average people are clueless that the shutting down of one small business affects 2x the number of people for every employee they had and 3x the affect of the services they use…………

          • Michelle Blackwell

            The thing is that small businesses with under 51 employees are unaffected by Obamacare. Taxes have not be raised in 10 years. Four of those years under Obama.
            All I see are a bunch of people running around screaming that the sky is falling.

          • medicinewomantwo

            Then please by all means, feel free to look at people that way……….because it took me 4 years to get a financial degree…….I guess you know it all.

          • Michelle Blackwell

            I don’t profess to know everything, never have. Sorry to burst that bubble.
            Further, I don’t have to look too hard or very far. Have you even read this site?

          • medicinewomantwo

            I read numerous sites, they all contain people with venom..issues and out right etards

  • Mary Jo

    These total Obama IDIOTS have no idea how much blood, sweat and tears…and JOY goes into running a small business and how painful it is to be forced to lay-off employees. (and sleep at night when you know their family will suffer) Shouldering the responsibility for the families involved is a huge burden, My prayers go out to each company and employee affected by these new lay-offs.

  • Lexikin

    Are any of them aware of how many of those companies were TOLD by O’bummer NOT to lay off until after the election? How stupid are these people? Did it ever occur to them that we are now a nation where people need to take care of their own? Most of these people have probably never even worked or read Obamacare!

    I believe the voting age needs to be changed to 25. We have people in this country voting who do not understand the way economy and businesses work. In most cases, neither do their parents!

    Any one person voting should fall into at least *ONE* of the categories below in order to be granted a voting privilege. Yes I said it! Privilege! Voting should not be a right anymore, especially with generations of morons voting for “the cool guy”.

    Eligibility to vote should require one of the following…

    1) Must have been employed for at least 3 years leading up to the time of voting. If for some reason they were laid off (through no fault of their own) within 120 days of voting, that would grant them a waiver. *Legit* illness or disability would waive everything above.

    2) Must own/rent/lease some type of property. (Commercial, Farm, Residential, Industrial, Auto)

    3) Must hold a title to any piece of property, showing they paid for it and own it. This means NON-Bank owned property.

    4) Must be a College student.

    We also need ID laws in place. Did anyone notice that all the states Obama won had the most electoral votes and DO NOT require ID to vote? The voting laws should be changing as the generations of people change. We are not the same country we were 20 years ago when people had a brain to vote for the benefit of the entire country. Today they vote for celebrities, birth control and gay rights. Those things don’t benefit the country as a whole. That should be the least of their worries!

    • http://twitter.com/wenegne Tamara D. Clark

      actually…eligibilty to vote should be: if you receive a check from the government, you don’t get to vote…period

      • http://www.theconservativevoices.com/ dmacleo

        lot of us disabled vets would not like to hear you saying that.

        • Darth_Venomous

          We can exempt veterans from that – in fact, let them vote ahead of any of the rest of us…they’ve earned it.

          Thank you for your service, D. We owe you a debt that cannot ever be repaid.

          • http://www.theconservativevoices.com/ dmacleo

            sometimes I wonder if it was worth it to be honest.
            then I realize there are still so many good people around.
            it is what it is I guess, I am nothing special just got hurt overseas in training and was not allowed to re-up. served out contract and had to get out.
            thank you though.

        • http://twitter.com/wenegne Tamara D. Clark

          i should have clarified, sorry: welfare

          • http://www.theconservativevoices.com/ dmacleo

            no worries :)

  • Grumpa Grumpus

    It’s interesting.
    The people remarking on the cabal of Dingleberry’s factions, Dumpercrat voter fraud, MSM, et al. were treated to comments of “conspiracy theorist” … incl. myself— even here, on this forum.

    You know have these exact same idjits claiming that, because water won’t run uphill — because the Laws of Thermodynamics apply to potential energy as stored in money — that it is conservatives punishing everyone.

    Laying aside the fact that those Proggies won’t have understood a word I said above — yeah, I know you think you do — I just want to ask:

    Now that the natural AND foreseen consequences begin to obtainIs revenge STILL as sweet?

    I am LDS, so I cannot speak for others. But I come from a flavor of Christianity that, to use a phrase offered during an Elder’s Quorum lession I taught— …harps on God’s Justice being simply a manifestation of the Physics of the Universe. Like dropping a hammer in your hard: it falls to the ground.

    Do Evil, by taking the fruits of other’s labor without their consent, (we used to call that slavery) and you can only reverse the entropy that causes locally and temporarily — and then only at a greater expenditure of energy.

    That expenditure will come either as potential energy: money, or as the energy of the Human Soul.

    So, enjoy yourselves.

    You won!

    And have put yourselves beyond our ability to rescue you. You, stop complaining as the Universe re-balances the equation!

    Just as “making water run uphill” is a physical impossibility without adding energy into it with a pump, so your pipe dreams require energy be constantly added into the system… but to work it requires more energy that is contained in the entire system.

    Enjoy!

  • Teresa_Michelle

    Wow. Never dreamed we would have an electorate this out of touch and ignorant. This is WAY past sad and appears pandemic. Just wow.

  • http://Twitter.com/jkerrysforehead John Kerry’s Forehead

    Same uninformed drones who elected this POS. What a bunch of ignorant simpletons. My health insurance costs have gone up 38% since ACA passed and the levels of covered services dropped. Eventually it will just be less expensive to pay the tax penalty directly to the gov’t and hope the ACA will cover me. Isn’t that what the plan has been all along? Single-payer system run by gov’t?

    • Michelle Blackwell

      I’m guessing your health insurance costs were falling before 2012.

  • http://granitegrok.com/author/mike Mike Rogers

    @giulag
    Great idea in this economy: let the laid off workers start up businesses in competition with their former employers. Hmmm. Get a clue.
    IF the business was badly run, and the ex-employees had better ideas about how to make a PROFIT, that would be normal capitalism for them to try, and hopefully succeed.
    HOWEVER, if the business is well run, and has to cut staff anyway, what are the chances that the ex-employees will do better in an environment where raising capital is more difficult and costs are higher than they used to e?

  • Conservaguy

    LOL! President Revenge was using the R word in his campaign and now that people are actually doing what they said they would do if this monstrosity got implemented they are all shocked and pissed. The left would be amusing if they weren’t so damn destructive to the country.

  • oo

    looks like the Parasites are getting a little testy out there…go to your King Of The Parasites Obama…he will squeeze the dead tit of amerika and more pus might come out..but then again maybe not….you scum Parasites who murdered the country get what you voted for now go and die…….

  • DANEgerus

    Uh, that would be the postponement Obama illegally spent our tax-debt dollars to push past the election.

  • FFlintstone

    This type of response from the liberals really lends credibility to the argument that Republicans should just agree to every request Obama has on the economy. America isn’t going to learn that liberalism doesn’t work until they see it with their own eyes and feel it in their own pocketbook. Let them see what Obama’s policies do! Pass the Buffet Rules. Raise the top rate to 39%. Cut defense spending. The country will be in shambles and America will be begging the Republicans to solve the economic problems. After another 4 years of failure, it will be IMPOSSIBLE to blame Bush, The Tea Party, ATM machines, or whatever else they can think of.

    • Michelle Blackwell

      The country will be in shambles because of a 3% increase in taxes to people making over $200k? Someone paying 100k in taxes will pay a whopping 103k in taxes under these new oppressive taxes. What will they do?!!

      • http://twitter.com/wenegne Tamara D. Clark

        just wondering how much government assistance you receive….? and if you don’t, just wondering how much of your own personal resources you give to ease any suffering….?

        • Michelle Blackwell

          I go to church like everyone else and donate to charity. However, that has no bearing on a 3% increase in taxes that everyone is crying is going to bankrupt people.

          • http://twitter.com/wenegne Tamara D. Clark

            things have been bad for so much of obama’s first term that 3% could very well be the straw that broke the camel’s back for a lot of them. how long will it be before obama decides ‘we just need another 10%’ then another 25% and so on and at what point do you think enough is too much? i’m telling you: the rich are already pulling back and telling the dems ‘ fuck off…. it’s YOUR mess, you clean it up! we did our part and you shit on it!’ can’t say i blame them a bit, either.

          • Michelle Blackwell

            Oh well, anything can happen if we just pretend it is so even though nothing of the sort is happening or projected to happen but let’s freak out at suppositions and shadows. Maybe Romney will outsource 3 businesses and then destroy 5 more and then 12 and then 2000 and so on and at what point do you think enough is too much?

          • http://twitter.com/wenegne Tamara D. Clark

            it’s called capitalism, lady, and when something in business isn’t profitable, you ditch it. i have no problem with that. i don’t demonize anyone for being successful in business; that WAS an opportunity afforded anyone (but you had to be extremely disciplined). Romney is an extremely disciplined businessman. if you had someone working for you and they were stealing, would you keep them on? course not…and it’s the same concept: if someone or something in your business isn’t working, it’s stealing your profits and you cut it loose. and the biggest thief is gonna be obama’s government; and if i owned a business, i would have cut that government loose on 11/7, i would have pink slipped my employees and closed my doors. who the hell has the right to tell someone they have ‘too much money’? who makes that decision. would obama suddenly say ‘oh…i have too much money?’ you’d be more likely to hear that from Romney…and in a way, you have: his charitable donations FAR exceed anything obama ever thought of doing, his entire inheritance from his dad was given to charity, he took no salary as governor, etc….you’ve perhaps heard all this. i recall when he released some tax returns a couple months ago and all of a sudden liberals squealed ‘you paid too much!’….so i’m gettin pretty sick of liberal bullshit…you’re wrong about everything and that’s all there is to it

          • Michelle Blackwell

            Except that nothing has changed from tuesday until today.

          • http://twitter.com/wenegne Tamara D. Clark

            it’s coming and we all know it. you know it, i know it, business owners damn sure know it. i have zero job security now and i knew that was gonna be the case if obama got another 4 years. we all understood this long before we cast our ballots…did you not hear you fearless leader when he said ‘we have more work to do, i need another 4 years’? expect changes….in taxes for sure; prolly be givin him a ‘heil’ before we know it, too. hope your job stays secure. i wouldn’t count on it (unless it’s a government job).

      • Hiraghm

        And you don’t see a problem with someone making $200k paying $103k in taxes? You take half the wealth I create, you dang well *better* give me something valuable in return. on a silver platter. And something you don’t give the parasites who don’t pay any taxes.

        • Michelle Blackwell

          Sorry, but no one in this country pays anything close to 50% in taxes. If you’re going to be outraged by something, at least make sure it is based in fact.

          • Darth_Venomous

            Hey, he was using your numbers, buttercup. If you’re going to be incredulous about something, at least make sure it is based in fact. Right? (rolls eyes)

      • http://www.theconservativevoices.com/ dmacleo

        200K?
        thats not fair.
        lets make it apply to anyone making (as a couple) over 60K.
        that slightly more than 2x the poverty rate so that should be enough for them to fairly live on.

    • http://twitter.com/yahneverknowCB yahneverknow

      I’m starting to think this. Let them have their way and let it burn.

      Time to be a phoenix?

      (Would be funny, considering the phoenix is the symbol for the University of Chicago.)

      edited to add the crest/shield/symbol: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/8/8a/University_of_Chicago_Modern_Etched_Seal_1.svg/500px-University_of_Chicago_Modern_Etched_Seal_1.svg.png

  • Socal71

    “Let them eat cake”… These employees were warned that this was going to happen if Obama was reelected and most of them still voted for him. This was a well known FACT, among the educated in this country. No revenge,

    Unlike the Federal Government, American business’s don’t make idle threats. Your fired and I love it!!!! Have no fear liberals you still have your food stamps and welfare to fall back on!

    • Michelle Blackwell

      Well, that’s what they’re there for. That’ll show all those people that voted for a social safety net. I wonder, if republicans are fired will they collect unemployment, get food stamps to make ends meet and use government subsidize health insurance to get allow or will they not take advantage of the safety net that has generously be supplied for them while they look for a job?

      • Socal71

        You cannot pay for social safety nets without taxes. Which you cannot collect if there is no one working. This is why I often refer to liberals as retarded. They literally don’t have a clue what is going on.

        I’m so over the Bickering and threats that were are heading off a cliff. Let’s do it and get it over with.

        • Michelle Blackwell

          Sure, you’re so for America you want to destroy it. You’re quite the patriot.

          • Darth_Venomous

            No, you morons voted to destroy it. We’re just gonna help.

            And that just sticks in your craw, doesn’t it? (snicker)

          • Michelle Blackwell

            Except that the USA is still here. You are guessing what is in the future. If you know what is in the future play the lottery.

          • Darth_Venomous

            Except that the USA is still here.

            Yep, it is. Minus a few more thousand jobs – but hey, you know so much, maybe you can hire ’em, huh?

            You are guessing what is in the future.

            Yep. I am. An educated guess, based on three things:

            1. You fools were warned that this stuff would happen if you voted for Bambi.
            2. You did so anyway.
            3. It happened.

            We’re just giving you what you idiots wanted, that’s all. And you’re whining about it.

            Coulda guessed that, too, based upon your previous behavior.

            If you know what is in the future play the lottery.

            Be happy to. If I had any surplus money with which to do so. Unfortunately, I’m one of those who isn’t better off than I was four years ago, about $10,000/year thus.

            And I think imbeciles like you should share in that. Here’s to layoffs!

            That sticks in your craw too, so the guess from here is that your going to whine & snivel some more about it. Pavlov would love you.

        • Maria Seeger

          Come on Social71….you know as well as I do that Obama *wants* the sequester…now, the great and wise Michelle Blackwell will tell you I am crazy, but all I have to do is watch how MSNBC and Harry Reid are spinning this, and it is clear to me that Obama is setting up the Republican party to take the blame for everything, while he and Reid get what they want…a crisis that they can exploit and blame on the Republican Right. Why, I even read an article where a “Progressive” suggested that if Obama offered Romney a job in his Administration, Romney should take it.
          Yeah, these people are nuts and sequesetration *is* coming…you and I and our fellow “travelers” (and I use that liberal term guardedly) all know it’s true.

  • Greg

    With 53% of exit polled citizens still blaming Bush for the economy, and the Republicans already blamed for the fiscal cliff, might as well get used to being the whipping post for Obama’s failures.

    Two words: Atlas Shrugged.

    • Michelle Blackwell

      Two words: Harry Potter. It was a much better movie.

      • Gallatin

        Oh my a Harry Potter discussion, love it, what exactly do you like about Harry Potter?

        • Michelle Blackwell

          Oh, it is a land of wonder and wizardry of love and quidditch and much better than Twilight.

          Also, no one is using this particular book of young adult fiction as justification for their political stances.

          • Maria Seeger

            Have you ever read Atlas Shrugged, or are you just going on what you’ve heard about it? Or did you look it up in Wikipedia?

          • Michelle Blackwell

            I stopped reading Ayn Rand when I was 13 and my world view matured.

          • Maria Seeger

            You call your world view “mature”? Oh that’s hilarious…almost as funny as you trying to convince *us* that *you’re* the sand adult and we’re all just immature whiny children.

            Here’s a reality check for you sweetie…businesses are laying off people whether you want them to or not, for whatever reason they have chosen to do so…you know the old saying: “He that has the gold is the one who makes the rules.” Well small business owners and corporations alike have the gold so they’re entitled to make the rules if they want to keep their gold. And if that means laying off people, so be it.

            *And there is NOTHING that you or any self-righteous arrogant liberal can do about it*. Not a damn thing. You can’t make them hire these people back, you can’t force them to hire more people, you can’t force them to stay open, and you can’t force them to keep employeees to a 30-40 hour work week. No matter *how* much you scream, freak out, laugh scornfully and look down your arrogant nose at us that is the reality.
            So all you little liberals who want to make it illegal for companies to lay off people, eat your heart out, because unlike your leader, corporations can easily outsource their jobs to other countries or even move to other countries and force us to import their goods for a much higher price while they pay the lesser wages to their employees in the other countries and they don’t have to pay out on benefits.
            So, there ya go…deal with the reality that neither YOU nor your President has any real power over small business owners or corporations, because after all…one of the benefits of living in a free society is the ability to go on strike.

          • Michelle Blackwell

            I wonder which work of young adult fiction is next to help shape your political views? Hopefully it will be more recent than 55 years old.

          • Gallatin

            What is your stand on the Second Amendment?

          • Darth_Venomous

            Also, no one is using this particular book of young adult fiction as justification for their political stances.

            That’s because it’s on your intellectual level – a half-step above Romper Room.

          • Gallatin

            Whether JK Rowling intended it or not Harry Potter has a Libertarian/Conservative theme running through the entire story.

          • Darth_Venomous

            (nods) Interesting take. I’ll admit that I never got much into it – it reminded me of The Hobbit – a book of which, I must admit, I could never get out of the first chapter, that’s how dry it was to me.

            Probably should’ve used the words “comparatively speaking” in my riposte – but what the hell, it was 3 am, and I was doing well to post with one eye open. (grin)

      • http://twitter.com/wenegne Tamara D. Clark

        you probably just think that because you live in fantasy land. Atlas Shrugged is already becoming reality…hence the layoffs, the horrible reports from the stock market. are you prepared to fend for yourself?

      • http://twitter.com/yahneverknowCB yahneverknow

        Did you just put Atlas Shrugged in the same category as Harry Potter because both are books that were made into movies?

    • v1cious

      Why do you guy always cite Ayn Rand? The woman was notorious for being a gigantice hypocrite.

  • WhiteFalcon1

    ·
    LETTER FROM THE BOSS…..

    As the CEO of this organization, I have resigned myself to the fact that Barack
    Obama is our President and that our taxes and government fees will increase in
    a BIG way. To compensate for these increases, our prices would have to increase
    by about 10%. But since we cannot increase our prices right now due to the
    dismal state of the economy, we will have to lay off six of our employees
    instead.

    ·
    This has really been bothering me, since I believe we
    are family here and I didn’t know how to choose who would have to go.

    ·
    So, this is what I did. I walked through our parking
    lot and found six ‘Obama’ bumper stickers on our employees’ cars and have
    decided these folks will be the ones to let go. I can’t think of a more fair
    way to approach this problem.

    They voted for change, I gave it to them. I will see
    the rest of you at the annual company picnic.

    Thank You…

    • Johnny Banco

      Let me give the CEO a ^5 for the wise decision about whom to first let go! :)

    • Michelle Blackwell

      Ha ha ha. Decrease production and keep a luxury expenditure like the annual picnic. if it wasn’t fake, this guy would be the laughingstock of his industry.

      • Maria Seeger

        Actually no he wouldn’t. Company picnics aren’t necessarily luxury expenditures if the employees themselves bring pot luck and it can be written off as a team building exercise. Don’t you know that “team building” is all the rage in business these days? The company picnic can easily be passed off as an exercise in encouraging team building ….heck gov’t does it all the time…only THEY do theirs in Las Vegas.

  • BeautifulAmerica

    You guys are continuing to fight with this dolt? Give it up. People like this thrive on our grief. Where’s their “compassion?” Ours is for the obamao-death of our Republic.

    Ignore them.

  • nam7822cats

    I would really like to see the polling data on who, among the laid off,
    voted for Obama. It’s very tiring living in a country full of brain
    dead liberals who keep electing these people because they’re either too
    stupid to know any better, or too lazy to educate themselves on how
    liberals think.

    • therantinggeek

      To my knowledge, that information should be available with each respective State’s Board of Elections. I don’t know if there’s any specific prerequisite, though; i.e. if you have to have a valid reason for wanting that information. Might want to check with your respective State’s Board of Elections and find out.

  • Jennifer

    I don’t think you call it a boycott when you are broke and can’t afford to buy from a store because you lost your job!!

  • http://www.facebook.com/tom.ellis.946179 Tom Ellis

    “Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you; May your
    chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our
    countrymen.”

    —Samuel Adams

  • Steve_J

    What did they think was going to happen? This scenario has been discussed for months prior to the election. When the Defense contratcors should be no surprise to anyone that was in the news for months also. As was Obama’s assuring the contractors would be bailed out by the government if they are sued by layed off workers.

  • JeannieJ

    Let me get this straight…libs aren’t furious about the betrayal by Obama of his own followers in the Boeing layoffs and other layoffs that were delayed till after the election, but they’re furious at small (and large) business owners who, knowing they’re stuck with Obama’s anti-business mentality for four more years, are forced to reduce their workforces just to survive? Can we please just get to the civil war already and fix this? I’m not sure anything except reducing the number of idiots is going to help.

    • Michelle Blackwell

      Just like Republicans who call themselves patriots calling for civil war. Also these same republicans fail to notice that businesses are doing just fine. The dow went from 8.5k under Bush to 12.8k today. So the anti-business meme has very little going for it in reality.

      • JeannieJ

        Seriously Michelle….we’re delighted to know that business is doing just fine. You got that from Fearless Leader, right? “The private sector is doing fine”. Don’t you have an abortion to schedule? When you’re not *part* of the business world, it’s easy to blindly say it’s doing fine. Trolls suck.

        • Michelle Blackwell

          I am part of the business world actually, and the DOW JONES INDUSTRIAL AVERAGE is a number you can get from any financial site.

          Not sure who this “fearless leader” is? Kim Jong Il?

          • http://twitter.com/stryker1999 Stephen Mizer

            I’m not sure if Kim Jong would be much different than the liberal messiah we’re suffering under now. Or Hugo Chavez, Papa Mao, Stalin…

          • Michelle Blackwell

            You’re always welcome to move to any where you would like. But all the other English speaking 1st world countries are more socialist.

          • http://twitter.com/stryker1999 Stephen Mizer

            I know you liberals would prefer it if we were dealt with like Germany dealt with the “Jewish problem,” but sorry, I’m not leaving, any more than the liars did who insisted they would leave the country if Dubya was re-elected. I notice they stuck around too, go figger.

    • Naresh Krishnamoorti

      Viva la contrarevoluccion!

  • therantinggeek

    Anywho, it’s the weekend for me. It’s been fun everyone! See you next week sometime!

    – TRG

  • TocksNedlog

    Using this same lib logic, all of these layoffs should have taken place 3 months ago, so that the unemployment numbers could help Romney.

    • torpedoman2002

      Libs are not looking at the fact that businesses waited until after the election. They were waiting to see if layoffs were necessary. Yes they should have been laying off employees months ago but they didn’t in hopes they didn’t have too.

  • SP

    What the hell do these people know? Look who they voted for, apparently the man can do no wrong *rolls eyes*

  • M_Baker

    Twitchy, small and large businesses knew well before the election that Obamacare would most likely succeed even if Romney got elected. For any business to call for lay offs now right after the election, without knowing if their business will be significantly impacted by any new regulations or taxes, is revenge on their part and using their employee’s as their pawns. Since Obama has been in office, there has been no new taxes, tax increases, or new regulations on small business, except for Obamacare. Obamacare, will not increase health care cost for any small businesses that already carry healthcare coverage for their employees, but will force those employers who don’t have healthcare insurance benefits for their employees to start insuring them. Of course, those employers will pass on most of the cost increase to their employees by offering lower wages, increasing the period between pay increases, along with some of the increase to consumers of their products. But the public will no longer have to pick up the health costs from the uninsured who receive their health care in emergency rooms.

    • Michelle Blackwell

      “But the public will no longer have to pick up the health costs from the
      uninsured who receive their health care in emergency rooms.” You mean the people who are currently paying for health insurance, not the public. Otherwise, I agree with you.

  • $129448

    Liberals are so dumb

    • Michelle Blackwell

      Dumb enough to come out ahead.

      • Johnny Banco

        Michelle can barely add 2+2, is a rabid fan of “American Idol” and Honey Boo Boo, as well as a free 0bamaFone-r who is glad 0bama was kept in President!

        • Michelle Blackwell

          Yes, that’s me. And yet you oh so superior conservatives who can add 2+2 still lost.
          I’m watching Hannity “revise” his positions on FoxNews now. I wonder how long before they show up here and are taken for gospel yet are a 180 degree spin from his previous positions.

          • Johnny Banco

            I can live with Romney losing better than you can live with it, and certainly better than you could have tolerated an 0bama loss!

            Hey Michelle, do you even know how many different positions 0bama has taken on gun control, gay marriage, and a health care mandate? I can tell you authoritatively he has changed each of those more than once, meaning he is a flip-flopper.

            Something tells me you are a hypocrite who only cares when you perceive Republicans to be political like that – as Maria Seeger pointed out, an obnoxious, verbally abusive person like you in denial suffers from Battered Spouse Syndrome.

          • Michelle Blackwell

            I love all these little insults. Actually, I didn’t have much invested in either candidate. I realized that to me, it didn’t really matter. I don’t stress over 3% tax increases and I already provide health insurance for myself and my family so nothing changes for me under either Presidency. That’s why I’m not freaking out over an Obama Presidency and I wouldn’t have lost my mind if Romney were elected.

          • Darth_Venomous

            and I wouldn’t have lost my mind if Romney were elected.

            Yet you whine & snivel about “all these little insults”, and piss & moan when you see the words “civil war” on the board.

            Hypocrite much, bimbo?

          • Michelle Blackwell

            Wow, you’re trying really hard. Your user name gives away your true intentions though.

            Unfortunately, you know that I was referring to myself and you had to do serious parsing to find some perceived slight and then manufacture outrage over a complete fiction. Many people on this board are very good at that.

            However, even if I wasn’t talking about myself, I don’t come on this board and complain about how liberals are so mean and conservatives are so much better, purer, more accepting and never use the same vile language that liberals “spew” (a very popular word on twitchy) and then turn around and do exactly the thing that I came here complaining about.

      • Guest

        Ahead of what, A POTUS that is clueless & a crumbly economy? Congrats & Good luck with that.

      • $129448

        Ahead of what a Clueless POTUS & a crumbling economy? Congrats & Good Luck with that.

      • Maria Seeger

        You’re right….you are dumb … to be voting for the same man twice and expecting him to actually do what he said he was going to do.

        In fact, you remind me of a woman who has spent 4 years with an abusive boyfriend, threatens to leave him, then allows him to sweet talk her into letting him come back into her life, fully expecting his abusive behavior to change…only to find out to her horror that, not only has he not changed, he’s actually gotten worse.

        The difference between you and me, Michelle Blackwell, is that I never allowed the smooth talking abusive boyfriend in my life in the first place, so even though he’s just walked into the door, I have nothing invested in him and fully expect him to act like the abuser he’s been all along.

        • Johnny Banco

          Go Maria! :)

          Maria’s attitude about a “man” like 0bama=sexy
          Michelle’s attitude about a “man” like 0bama=just plain gross

          • Maria Seeger

            You take that back! I don’t consider Obama sexy at all. I would tell you what I really think of him but I’m trying to stay classy. So, you owe me an apology. Sexy my hind foot!

          • Johnny Banco

            You misunderstand me – I like it that you aren’t fooled by an abusive idiot like 0bama!

            I wish every woman’s eyes were open like yours are.

      • cgraham77

        Argumentum ad populum.

        Look it up, MORON.

      • http://twitter.com/ROBERTFERRI2 ROBERT FERRI

        You call this coming out ahead?

  • jswwrites

    It’s only “revenge” if they turn around and hire more people (Republicans one would assume). Since none will, and the owner isn’t out there doing 1000 jobs himself, it’s OBVIOUSLY economic. But public schools have totally left out basic economics and these people are just idiots. I particularly like @giuliag’s Tweet that “those victims of revenge #layoffs should bsnd together and start competitive businesses”. Because as we all know that’s so easily done. If they could have done it, Giulia, they would have already done it! You try it. We “shrugged” in Nov 2008, seeing it all coming. Now we’re figuring out how to shrug some more. 20 years in business was HARD, and no one in their right mind would do it for free. Businesses like us who report their business profit on their personal income taxes will figure out how to get their below $250k, and they’ll shrink to do it, causing even more unemployment. It happens every time and libtards never figure it out. And the other thing that’s going to happen is suddenly everyone will become a part time worker, to avoid Obamacare.

    • http://twitter.com/StephenDOliver Stephen Oliver

      And here’s another thing:
      So because BHO was reelected, small biz owners “spitefully” let people go. So you mean to tell me that they had more employees than they really needed? So much so that just to stick it to BHO, they can afford to let employees go in a snap and still keep the business going? Is that what they REALLY think? If that’s not the case, then the argument must be that the biz owners fired people to their own hurt, possibly at the loss of their business. Both views of the business owner reveal the abject lack of common sense on the part of the people holding those views.
      On the one hand, the business owners are just plain BAD at business, because evidently, they were walking around incurring additional costs in personnel for no good reason; they apparently can afford to fire them to make a point at no real threat to the survival of their business. That biz owner deserves to lose, then, if he/she is walking around with significant percentages more employees needed to run the business. If I was invested in that business financially, I’d be asking the owner why he/she had hired so many “extra” and therefore “unnecessary” employees.
      On the other hand, the business owners are just irrational fools. Because what rational person would go through the difficulty, risk, and sustained heavy lifting of starting a business that employs others, only to risk killing the entire business to make a point to a president who’ll never know them specifically by name or what they’ve done here. Spend 25 years building a successful business and then–aww, what the heck!–just throw it all a way to make a point to Obama. That’ll show him! Now i’m out of a business and I’ve put more people out on the street who are just THAT MUCH MORE LIKELY to vote for a Liberal at the next election. That’s the ticket!
      Seriously?

  • PJemmott

    For those out there that cant seem to believe that Obama can do anything wrong maybe you should get you fingers out of your ears and your head out of your ass. This has been in the news for a while and Obama asked them not to send out layoff notices until after the elections kinda like the investigation as to why Obama sacrificed 4 Americans in Libya to advance his dictatorship will not be started until after the election

  • xantrani

    its called CONSEQUENCES to a FAILED presidency, FAILED economic policy, FAILED health care initiative and FAILED financial discipline. LIARS, every last LIBTARD. IF you LIBTARDS are so “patriotic” then OPEN UP A BUSINESS and HIRE PEOPLE, PAY YOUR FAIR SHARE OF THE OBAMA TAX and we’ll SEE EXACTLY how much profit you make under YOUR DELUSIONAL BUSINESS MODEL

    • Michelle Blackwell

      I’m pretty sure the Conservatives don’t have the corner of the market on business ownership. And those “libtards” as you put it also voted, and somehow despite everything Karl Rove and the Fox News bubble you were living in said, the majority of the country disagreed with you.

      Sorry.

  • George Gaither

    These people are Idiots, Never operated anything, or risk anything, believe businesses operate for their pleasure, The US is a Indoctronated nation now, No free enterprise spirit, They don’t have a clue what owners are going through.

  • John Ferguson

    What did you expect, market is getting dumped because investors do not want to pay the new taxes Obama leveled on cap gains, coal investors are dumping because of Obama EPA regs are shutting down 120 coal fired plants, employers are taking people to part time as they cannot afford to pay the healthcare or the tax Obama leveled, The defense industry tried to give the pink slips but Obama said wait til after the election. Lower pay and less jobs, thats what happens when small business owners get hit with more taxes and regulations, they were hoping for a change but now that the Obama win took place, they cannot afford the costs, and it is not just 62.00 per employee….most do not understand margins and most business owners live according to the margin, with these increases, the margin turns a business out of the black ink and into the red, most will not continue to stay in business due to cost and regulations….with the “O” energy policies going forward for 4 more years, food will go up as fuel prices rise, gas prices and electric bills are going up as coal fired plants close, Long term unemployment will cease and there will be no benefits paid after 12 to 16 weeks. Obama said he would kill the coal industry and he is keeping his promise, Coal towns in KY, WV, PA are going to be ghost towns, most were laid off back in October….yes, this is the reward for unlimited spending, free cell phones, food stamps (referred to yesterday by an illegal immigrant in AZ as the Obama Visa Card) and free birth control…when will most understand, nothing is free, we the taxpayer pay for all that free crap….less taxpayers equals less money, more money borrowed from China and more money printed equals a devalued dollar (which also raises gas prices) and soon we are downgraded and we become Greece…yes elections have consequences….

  • ifly2nh

    The post by liberals on this site is just proof of how ignorant they are of what is really facing companies and small business owners. They were warned, proof was out there for them to look at but all they did was throw it back in our faces. So you’d rather listen to a politician with no experience than the poor small business owner who’s paying your salary. 64% of all new jobs are created by small businesses. 85% of them are sole proprietorships most likely paying more taxes than you do. Instead of screaming foul words at these people, you should have sat down and asked them to explain to you why they can’t afford Obama’s policies. But you didn’t. Now its too late, pink slips are going out to red and blue voters alike. And unfortunately we have to say, “we told you so!”

    • Michelle Blackwell

      If they are that small they have nothing to worry about. Most of these new laws and tax laws affect businesses with more than 50 people. So businesses with less that 51 employees, nothing changes for them.

      • Maria Seeger

        Actually they do. Obamacare is not the only thing that affects small businesses. There is the extra cost of doing business itself in an unfriendly economy, especially for a one person business who is just starting up and can’t afford to hire anyone. People are not going to be spending money on what they consider non-essential items, and for every small business that shuts its doors, more than likely they won’t be replaced by another one because it’s also going to be harder to get financing…unless, of course, you want to rely on the Small Business Administration, and if you choose to go that route, then, yes the government does own a share of your business, because that’s who guarantees your loan.
        And you business people out there feel free to correct me if I’m wrong…but ONLY if you own your own business, or have some business experience and are conservatives like me. You liberals can save your breath; you have already demonstrated that you have nothing useful to say.

        • Michelle Blackwell

          Unfortunately, businesses are doing fine. Look at the DOW… 8.5k in 2008 and 12.8k now. Only in Republican-ville is that a business unfriendly atmosphere.

          • Maria Seeger

            The so-called businesses you are talking about are the large corporations, and even they will not be immune to the economic cliff when the sequester takes place. Count on it, your Boss is setting that up even as we speak.

          • Michelle Blackwell

            I doubt real business people are freaking out. Regulations change all the time.

            Anyway, have a good weekend.

          • Maria Seeger

            Oh right…thanks for dissing all these small business owners who are genuinely doing what they feel they have to do have to do by telling them that they’re not “real business people”.
            I mean, really….thanks, O Enlightened One. Same to you on the weekend.

          • Michelle Blackwell

            I love the way you put “small business owner” in my mouth, and then get super-duper offended by something I never said. Even though you know “business people”. as I used it, encompasses all types of business people from one person shops to multinational corporations, but if you need to use selective parsing to try to create some perceived fictitious division then you do what you have to do to stay in your bubble.

          • cgraham77

            “Real” business people? Wow, you’re an idiot.

          • SanDiegoSteve

            Haven’t seen the Dow lately huh? Perhaps the NASDAQ?

    • torpedoman2002

      I have been trying to explain this in classes all day today, even to a few professors. It’s sad these people will wear the Obama blinders so they can continue to get their free stuff instead of being concerned for their fellow Americans that will loose their jobs. I made a lot of people mad today by telling them “I told you so.” They don’t want to hear it and selective hearing has been turned on.

  • Eliot Mason

    I love how people are calling to boycott businesses that may have fired employees after the election. Wouldn’t that cause that business to have to lay off more employees? (And we are the ones being accused of being petty?)

  • xantrani

    i hope the libtards are the FIRST to be fired

  • http://twitter.com/haaipo Helen Archbell Ivie

    Isn’t it Obama that said vote for “Revenge”. LOL, hilarious now that they think revenge is going the other way. Business owners don’t lay off people out of revenge. This shows that we have an electorate with no knowledge of either economics or business.

  • oo

    This is directed to ALL my liberal family and friends.
    Congratulations to the Democrats and Young People! You now own it.

    “The next terrorist attack you own it.
    Can’t get a job after graduation, you own it.
    Sky rocketing energy prices due to Obama’s EPA shutting down the energy producing states, you own it.
    A nuclear Iran, you own it.
    Bowing to the Soviet Union, you own it.
    Another severe recession, you own it.
    A volatile border with Mexico, you own it.
    Trouble getting good health care, you own it.
    Higher heath insurance costs and health care costs, you own it.
    No budget, you own it.
    Our allies mistrust, you own it.
    Another trillion of debt, you own it.
    More Benghazi situations, you own it.
    No one willing to join the military, you own it.
    Trouble getting a loan to buy a home, you own it.
    More dependency on food stamps, you own it.
    Trouble finding good employment, you own it.
    Several part time jobs instead of a good job, you own it.
    A World Government, you own it.
    The UN governing the United States instead of ourselves, you own it.
    A Senate that will not bring any legislation to the table rather it is “Dead on Arrival”, you own it.
    China controlling our world trade trampling all over us, you own it.
    Loss of our freedoms as we have known it in the past, you own it.
    A dictatorship instead of a democracy that follows the Constitution, you own it.
    Less take home pay and higher living costs, you own it.
    Driving a car that looks like a toy, you own it.
    More government corruption and lies, you own it.
    More toleration of extreme and fanatical Islamist’s, you own it.
    Terrorist attacks called work place incidents, you own it.
    Your revenge instead of love of country, you own it.

    President George Bush is out of it now, and there is not another good
    man for you to vilify and lie about. In a way I am relieved that another
    good man will not be blamed when it was impossible to clean up this
    mess you voted for.

    • Naresh Krishnamoorti

      Great post.

    • Lovetorun2

      Awesome post Dan! As a college professor who has to deal with the product of our public school systems might I add:

      A continued dumbing down of the public education system, you own it!
      American students lagging behind foreign peers in math and science, you own it!

    • SanDiegoSteve

      Great Post, Dan! You have summed it all up very accurately. You dumbass liberals need to read Dan’s post and take it to heart. You incredibly stupid people have allowed Obama 4 more years to fully implement his plan to destroy America. Congratulations!

  • http://alert-up-usa.com/ AlertUpUSA

    This spin needs a reality check. Don’t these people have anything else to do?

  • http://twitter.com/Zalatix Zalatix

    Tax these corporations a million dollars per layoff for every layoff past 50. If they want to retaliate, then let the people retaliate against them!

    • Maria Seeger

      Good luck trying to get that million dollars, because all you’re doing is forcing the corporation to shut its doors and go elsewhere. I do hope you’re being sarcastic.

  • http://twitter.com/Zalatix Zalatix

    We don’t need you corporations. We can shut you down and replace you. Let’s see you make money when you aren’t allowed to operate in the USA!

    • Maria Seeger

      Replace them with what? Inquiring minds want to know.

  • papa rick

    Sure you idiots-I’m gonna fire people and lose myy business because Obama won. No, I am trying to meet the cash requirements this dictator has laid on his subjects to keep my family fed. I would rather hire people and expand my business but under Obama’s freebie culture, I can’t do that.

    • http://twitter.com/stryker1999 Stephen Mizer

      Honestly, when Obama was elected, if I owned a business, I’d sell it or retire. I learned what a radical socialist he was – being friends with a guy like Bill Ayers should be as big a warning as a boot to the head, unless you’re a complete liberal tard.

  • Back 4 More

    Typical socialist answers. Supporters of socialist societies will always blame the failures on people that resist socialism. History is allowed to repeat itself because party loyal sheep make excuses for the failings of whatever system it is that they support. People on both sides of the aisle need to wake up to the realities of grey instead of seeing everything in black and white.

    • http://twitter.com/stryker1999 Stephen Mizer

      Look, I lived under “grey” policies for years, and my taxes went up every year. Or call it purple or whatever. Whenever conservatives capitulate to liberals “for the greater good,” it means that government gets bigger, more powerful, more EXPENSIVE, and more intrusive.

      Sorry, I’m done with that crap. We can’t afford it any more.

  • http://www.facebook.com/kathy.f.skaggs Kathy Fugitt Price Skaggs

    It amazes me, no I take that back, it doesn’t amaze me that liberals are so stupid to think that all the layoffs are revenge for Obama being reelected. They are not bright enought for see that the policies that Obama implements plus the cost of Obamacare, and it isn’t just 750.00, is going to cost so much that they have no choice.

  • Mr. Bob

    Well what did you expect? Unfortunately, the Democrat mentality does not seem able to understand the function of business and what it takes to survive. When you tax already-struggling businesses into oblivion, this is the result. It’s not revenge!! It’s a simple “2 + 2 = 4”. Come on, folks. You voted him in and whether you understood the logical consequences or not, you are responsible. You certainly can’t blame Bush for this one…

    • machtyn

      Obviously they don’t understand that 2 + 2 = 4. For them, 2 + 2 = 5. The extra 1 is borrowed, but we don’t care where it came from or how we’ll pay it back.

  • http://pennyrobinsonfanclub.net/ PennyRobinsonFanClub

    Atlas is shrugging.

  • Dave Silva

    these people are so dumb. these businesses would have made these layoffs a month ago or longer if obama didn’t order them to hold them all until after the election.

  • http://www.facebook.com/faith.dunn2 Faith Dunn

    it is easy for those to blame the companies..taking a page out of obama’s book..reality will soon set in..go ahead protect your precious obama see how he will take care of you..i hope this trend spreads like a disease..

  • civet

    I’m sure I’m repeating numerous posts, but we all knew it would come to this. Fully one half of this country is ignorant enough to think that a small business would willfully shrink itself or close its doors to spite the president.

    It’s what we’re up against in the new America, people. This class warfare angle is like shooting fish in a barrel for Obama and the MSM because of geniuses like SJ Reidhead up there.

  • Ironhawk86

    “Those victims of revenge #layoffs should band together and start competitive businesses”

    I agree wholeheartedly with this idea. Maybe leftists will stop being such greedy assholes when they step in the shoes of someone trying to run a business without sucking on the government teat. You economically illiterate bums won’t last a day.

    • http://www.facebook.com/faith.dunn2 Faith Dunn

      yeah they can use there welfare checks and goverment cheese and free contraceptives..package and re-sell..see how that works

    • TundraThunder

      A good example of what Ironhawk86 means in two words: Air America.

      • Ironhawk86

        Actually I was specifically talking about business that didn’t have the benefit of government favoritism (which Air America most certainly did), but point taken. The bailout babies don’t do much better (see Solyndra, GM)

    • http://twitter.com/stryker1999 Stephen Mizer

      I have a story I remember fondly, as told by Bill Buckley, God rest his Fabian Catholic soul, about his friend George McGovern, who also passed away recently.

      Senator McGovern was a devout liberal and sought to make sure that the rich always “paid their fair share” to keep the welfare state going. Well, one day he got tired of the hassle of the Senate and retired, and decided to start a chain of inns in the northeast so he could earn a few extra hundred thou’ or so on his retirement.

      Well, things didn’t go so well. Because of government regulations and taxes, he found it incredibly hard to make a profit, and after struggling for a while, finally had to throw in the towel and sell his properties. When asked why he found it so hard to operate, he had to confess that the main culprit were… well, you’ll geddit.

      “If I had known that one day, I would be living under the laws I was voting on, I would have considered them more carefully.”

      Poor George. He became a much more moderate guy after that. ;D

      • Ironhawk86

        That’s precisely why leftism is such an evil ideology. They have ZERO intention of living by the rules they want to set up for others and see themselves as a nobility class (precisely why they subscribe to feudal economics). People who think like this don’t deserve to live in a free country.

  • machtyn

    That’s awesome!!! Yes, let’s boycott these companies laying off employees. Then they will necessarily have to lay off MORE employees.

    • http://www.facebook.com/faith.dunn2 Faith Dunn

      more the better

  • http://www.sharperpoints.com/ Sharper Points

    To those complaining about layoffs, I invite you to acquire the capital and skills to start businesses to satisfy the unmet demand. Seriously. Think about it. If the companies are laying people off to spite President Obama, there’s a great opportunity for someone to step in and make a lot of money. The demand is there. Right?

  • http://twitter.com/StephenDOliver Stephen Oliver

    Amazing how many folks say with certainty that they know why the business are doing the layoffs. No doubt many are the same folks who cry foul if pro-lifers say “most abortions are done for convenience.” And then there’s the commenters who call the PERSON WITH HIS NECK ON THE LINE FINANCIALLY “selfish” because he/she won’t pony up to pay a bit more for employee healthcare, as if the biz owner is in business for the sole benefit of others. Why not stop the pretense? Just have the government take over all jobs and dole out bennies and pay as the elite deem best. Silly biz owners! They have the gall to risk their own financial wellbeing in starting a business and then actually take steps to keep it thriving! Who do they think they are, anyways?

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Michael-Hatfield/1261715581 Michael Hatfield

    Wasn’t it this administration, that asked for the defense contractors (who are a huge chunk of the coming layoffs) to hold off on sending the notices?

    They did, now they sent them out, how is that the fault of anyone on the right?

    The smaller businesses can’t afford the increases due to Obamacare, they have to cut costs. How is that the fault of anyone on the right?

    Or is it simply that anything that goes wrong, is the fault of the right?

  • Penmar

    I thought they voted for revenge, per Obama, now they are crying about it? And yes I know pink slips aren’t going out because of revenge, but I love the irony of them thinking that’s the reason.

    • http://twitter.com/StephenDOliver Stephen Oliver

      Exactly. And not that that’s the case here but if it was…why couldn’t the business community have revenge on the same terms as Obama advocated? “Live by the sword, die by the sword.”
      Again, not that I’m advocating that but just pushing for consistency among Obama adherents.

  • Belinda Henry

    where are the job numbers for this week?

    • Bob Khan

      They were posted earlier, but results are off because of the power outages up in the North East. I am seeing both big and small companies everywhere having to trim down their staff, it’s not a pretty sight. $20 bet that Obama’s approval rating won’t be effected much, the libs and their media are going to twist it around and blame it on the GOP.

  • Discontentwliars

    Guys, this shouldn’t be a surprise to anyone. With the planned tax increases on the wealthy, affordable health care, and sequestration (budget decreases due to failed negotiations), and the debt, there really isn’t options. The delay of layoff notices is just an irritant to the conservatives because the jobless rate was a big part of the elections, but the jobless rate didn’t really affect the elections, since people ignored the number anyway. I’m sorry the MSM, didn’t explain the affects, but it’s not their responsibility to educate people on life in the real world. It’s just simple math. If you can’t afford to stay in business, then you either raise prices, or cut costs. You really shouldn’t wait till the “Fiscal cliff” is facing your business, since you don’t always know if what you’ve done is enough and you still need to adjust. Good luck to all!

    • http://twitter.com/stryker1999 Stephen Mizer

      The job of the MSM is to tell the TRUTH, NOT the truth as THEY WANT IT to be. They have done a horrible job for decades of being honest and balanced. Becoming an arm of the dnc has harmed this country in ways that may take decades to recover from. Not warning us about the contents of Obamascare was one thing, but helping Obama cover up for the terrorist attack in Benghazi was the last straw for me.

      • Discontentwliars

        Knowing it’s a trap, is the first step in detecting the trap. (Somewhat of a Dune quote). The problem faced is what do you do about it. Ignoring the problem, does not solve it. Same with the schools, and colleges that “Teach” liberalism, and what I consider poisoning the fruit of the country. So do we have a short term goal, and a long term plan? Good questions, but I don’t the answers. It’ll be a long road to haul, but there ought to be some states that would be with us, and people that believe it’s a problem.

  • uflizzard

    You Obama Lovers picked this Class Warfare Fight. Your beloved Messiah wants to extort taxes from the Wealthy and Small Business Owners, then deal with the consequences.
    I feel for anyone that loses their job, however Democrats want everyone to pay their “fair share” except of course the 47% that pay nothing.
    Now you have your Government Dependence you so longed for. So, go worship at the Alter of Government while the Job Creators pay their fair share.

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/2W4IH3MTUDOF7OZYHNURWQVP2I Anthony V

    Morons don’t understand how the world works!

  • Dwayne Jackson

    Will liberals ever accept blame for their actions and policies. Obama care is the reason for the layoffs due to the fact that it has become so costly. But, rather then admit Obama care is bad for the country they do what they always do. Attack and Blame.

  • RightThinking1

    I do not quite understand. If the Lefties think these people should have jobs, why don’t THEY hire them? Oh.., wait….

  • http://www.facebook.com/apeneck Alex Duncan

    OK, lefty morons. Labor is a commodity just like anything else. If it costs too much to keep people employed, or to hire people, the inevitable result is that people won’t be hired, or will be laid off. Duh.

  • Doddlin

    Sure… it’s for revenge! NOT. How stupid and ignorant is that? These businesses don’t want to do this for revenge. They were waiting to see what business model they were going to have to adopt based on who got elected. Turns out we elected a tax and spend liberal and Obama care is coming. Yes, the election has a lot to do with it… because of policies. No way a business would do this to get even. DUR, it hurts the freaking business owner the worst!

  • http://www.facebook.com/wendytheprinter Wendy Johnson

    To the idiots who aren’t comprehending,. We can’t afford the Affordable Health Care mandates. Why don’t you, when you have the courage to start and run your own business, come back here and tell me about it. OR just get out a calculator and do some math!!! All these people losing thier jobs so the co-dependant have FREE health care!!! You libs are killing me. Please start to educate yourselves and stop believing everything you hear. We are living it. yes I have a small business, I know the deal………

  • http://www.facebook.com/wendytheprinter Wendy Johnson

    Can anyone believe that these ignorant people actually think the layoffs are being done out of revenge or spite? Obviously these people are way out of touch with the lives of independant people. They have no clue what it is like to hold your own!!!! A bunch of ding dongs!

  • RaggedyAnn46

    These people are truly warped!

  • PAttyconservatopia

    Who in their right mind would think the layoffs is some revenge against obama conspiracy? The leftists have no comprehension of the true price of obamas policies, including obamacare, class warfare, taxes on “wealthy” individuals & businesses, hidden taxes in obamacare, closing of coal fired plants that will “necessarily skyrocket energy prices” which hasn’t even come into effect yet. I’ll bet they think the market is tanking because people are angry obama won. No one wants to see the country go down, the leftists should have educated themselves on what would happen.

  • 3arnhardt

    Business held out hope that the regulations slitting their throats would be repealed. That HOPE is gone due to progressive CHANGE which is ruinous to this country and small business.

    • BeeKaaay

      They’re not progressives. They want to take us back to 1917 Russia, that is NOT progress.

      Don’t yield the language to the leftwingwackos.

      • 3arnhardt

        Its what they call themselves. If we don’t hang it around their necks by using the same language I believe we do ourselves a diservice. Of course the progressive movement is regressive. The opposite of what they say is always the truth.

  • BeeKaaay

    WHY are the leftwingwackos complaining? They love it when non-Marxists suffer! They are cold-blooded, so seeing people laid off from jobs means more democrat votes – they should be happy!

    • torpedoman2002

      They are afraid there will not be enough taxes to continue using that obama phone that is what’s wrong with them. Hay libs we also told you that someday you will run out of other peoples money. Gravy train is gone.

      • BeeKaaay

        Shhh, don’t tell them the Marxist end plan :) They don’t want to know that other people’s money will run out.

        • torpedoman2002

          Oh sorry my mistake I didn’t get the memo stating we need to tip toe around the liberals. Shhhh be very quiet. :)

  • TiLiNi

    Boycotting will result in more layoffs. :-(

  • https://twitter.com/#!/wdelpilartcot William Del Pilar

    It’s obvious these individuals simply have no clue on how a business runs. All they’re doing is validating their ignorance and the fact they are what Obama wants; an uninformed constituency that looks at everything with hate and vile. It’s how he won and we, as conservatives, especially us minority conservatives have to begin standing up and using their playbooks (w/Ron Pauls for youth vote) to win back the tide!

    • Bob Khan

      Well said friend. My biggest complaint is how we’ve all been labeled as racist in the current political environment, when the true history shows that we are not. Check out this article by Kevin D. Williamson, it’s a well written piece.

      http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/300432/party-civil-rights-kevin-d-williamson

      I don’t like the way that the liberals deceive, they are akin to the devil in my book.

      I really think it is important that we continue to stay true to our faiths and traditions. Conservative parties would do well to accept more of us minorities and good American folks of different religious faiths again, history has taught us that it is what we are really all about.

      Some good news in Texas, Ted Cruz (R) won and Jeb’s son, George P. Bush (R), has applied to run for office at the state wide level.

  • IamHuman

    *Sigh.* “Those darn gays.” “Those darn libs.” “Those darn Republicans.” “Those darn racists.” “Those darn Muslims.” “Those darn Christians.” “Those darn women.” I think within the span of time that this election process first started, way back even before the republican primaries I’ve witnessed America cut in half, cut in four, cut again, until it was so severed and fractured I barely recognized it. This country has become more divided than even the 50’s could have ever imagined with it’s separatist regime in play. I’m ashamed. Either way you slice it. The people in Congress aren’t suffering. The lobbyists aren’t suffering. The CEO’s aren’t suffering. The President isn’t suffering. People cast their votes, whether you agreed with them or not, and instead of punishing Congress by voting them out, or writing to them, you’d rather put someone out on the street. This isn’t me talking from any stand-point, whether liberal or conservative, democrat or republican. This is me speaking as a human; You want to enact change, you want things to be BETTER than they were? Because from my stand-point, things were never “good”, they were just passable. The way things get better is when everyone can speak honestly, maturely and openly and a game-plan can be vetted by the people, for the people. Until then, we just have more political shenanigans with people on both sides complaining about one another. It’s tiring. You’re not tired yet?

  • dhugow

    It’s Bush’s fault

  • http://twitter.com/redgirlblustate Terri Grimm

    That is the funniest thing i read today. Elections have consequences and you won. Live with it.

  • Terry_Jim

    If a CEO thought he could hire MORE employees right now,
    if a company could expand their operations and create MORE jobs and profits,
    one WOULD, & beat the others in the marketplace.
    They can’t.
    They can’t, and have to reduce their operations, not out of spite for the POTUS, but because the regulatory climate of this administration is anti-capitalist, anti-free market.

  • Margo Channing

    Didn’t B. Obama say elections have consequences???????

  • Bob Khan

    I really think the hate is going to get much worse from here on out. Gut feeling tells me these blinded liberals are going to start forming lynch mobs in the near future.

    • Bob Khan

      One thing that is worrisome is how their typically benign hive mentality is now spewing hate and intolerance. We’ve seen this in the past, Adolf Hitler’s Socialist Third Reich. Anyone else here get the impression we are headed for civil war at some point in the future?

      • Darth_Venomous

        Oh, Bob, don’t say that! Michelle Blackwell, Tweetyturd and Zalatix will…will…will shake their fingers at you and wring their hands in angst!!!!!

        Mheh.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Joseph-Sanders/100000681263952 Joseph Sanders

    Elections have consequences and Obama’s reelection means Obama-Care will stand and it will hurt businesses who employee more than 50people, so yeah they are laying people off. You all were warned this would happen, now stop crying that it is coming true.

  • http://ITSPEOPLE.com/ Tantalus XVI

    Are these people stupid or something? There are calls to let us go off of the fiscal cliff so libs can see what their policies produce and then I read these idiots comments… Like WOW they really don’t get it. #TWILIGHTZONE

  • C J

    We tried to tell you this was coming …. not as revenge but, companies will not be able to support Obamacare !! You had a chance for a real turn around and you blew it !! YOU WERE WARNED !! SUCK IT UP AND FACE THE CONSEQUENCES OF YOUR ACTIONS !!! NO BODY WANTS TO HEAR YOUR WHINING AND BLAMING NOW !!

    • tomincol

      There are things that can be done and almost certainly will be done.
      1. Offer health insurance, but pass a % of the cost to their employees.
      2. Convert their full-time employees to part-time status
      3. Reduce their payroll to <50 employees
      4. Beg for an "exemption"
      5. Layoffs

  • tomincol

    I figured we would have the riots Tues night. Now, I figure they are maybe 2 years away or less. “O” does not need these folks who voted for him. What are they going to do when they eventually find out they got shafted?

  • Frank DiSalle

    TO ALL THE LEFT WING IDIOTS WHO THINK THESE FIRINGS ARE REVENGE FOR OBAMA’S VICTORY:
    The Obama administration asked Defense contractors who are required to give 60 days notice before layoffs, to put off doing so – for obvious reasons – until after the Election, promising them that there would be no penalty for doing so.
    So please, go enjoy a steaming hot cup of Shut The Fuck Up !!

  • Karl H

    Again the left demonstrates that they are incapable of even the most basic high school level accounting. Democrats can not understand math and those that do hate America and capitalism with a vengeance.

    Time to get far from cities and urban centers soon the government looting will be real. What follows after the looting is the stuff horror films are made of. Democrats have clearly demonstrated a lack of moral character do not think you can count on their human decency during a real crisis.

    These are the people who really did not build that.

    Do not help them in any way. If there is a disaster do not assist or donate. They have ignored multiple warnings and as such they have said quite clearly that they fully expect someone else to always provide for them. Well let the government be the savior. They after all voted to have the government force us to always provide for them.

    We must face the fact that you can not expect an immoral person to act in a moral manner when they have already been taught that their immortality is virtuous. If you continue to support this immortality you are no better than them. We must let the cancer feed on itself both figuratively and if need be literally.

  • http://twitter.com/ROBERTFERRI2 ROBERT FERRI

    Now we have a war on businesses? Wow! I didn’t see that one coming. What’s next a war on old people?

    • Candice

      Obama is out to break the back of this nation. Get ready.

  • SherryPM72

    Owning a business is not a charity, so when you have employes to pay over head insurance of your own and countless other expenditures before you take into account Obummers new insurance fee/tax. By all means bale out GM but let small business go bankrupt out of sheer nobility just so the give me give me’s that voted for free stuff can have more of ours? I think not, Thanks to Obummer and his health care having to many employes is like having to cut off a finger and it may as well be the gangrenous one that voted for it before it poisons the rest of the body.

  • Steve_J

    All those Obamaphones, Obamacare regulations, energy regulations, Frank-Dodd regulations, etc. have to be paid for and the bill came due November 6, 2012.

  • kiltedmaniac

    Lib worldview in a nutshell: Evil business owners are only motivated by money except when they’re motivated by politics.

    If an evil corporation can make money by having employees why would it lay them off? Do these morons really think that boards of directors sat around big conference tables scheming how they can get revenge on the current administration? “We’ll lay off employees! It’ll cost us profits and screw our shareholders but who cares! We want revenge!”

  • lcky9

    An Idea for those who are upset by the layoff’s JOIN the military.. OH YA they are making cuts there to.. less health care.. less pay.. longer hours.. no holiday pay or off.. and an idiot for a commander in chief that will leave you to die while watching..what more could those who PRAISE Obama ask for .. all the hope and change and leaning forward as you kiss your rears goodbye..

  • Candice

    Business is about making a profit. If a business can’t do that the doors close to all employees.

    However, you voted for REVENGE. I voted for Love Of Country!

  • bo1921

    Maybe hollywood and the “media” could pick up the slack and start hiring all these unemployed people. I’m sure they’ll fit right in.

  • bo1921

    Memo to all leftists – Businesses are not you mama and daddy. That’s barry’s job (with our money, of course). If you want a job, be productive enough to warrant someone hiring you. If not, call barry (he’s also got his own printing press).

  • BeauRyker

    This is left wing lunacy at it’s finest. No further explanation needed.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/TVJU3Z5RYUJBSIXKGMRNNSEJDQ Mike Johnson

    No, morons. What’s despicable is your complete denial of reality. Obama’s world of unicorns and rainbows is over. You voted for it, live with it. It’s ALL his economy now. I know the concept of personal responsibility is a hard concept to grasp as a liberal, but try. You can twist perception, reality won’t budge!

  • http://twitter.com/JonMcPhalen Jon McPhalen

    The Left — for all its claims to intellectual superiority — has absolutely no clue when it comes to “unintended consequences.”

    • Grumpa Grumpus

      @Jon McPhalen:

      I agree w/the sentiment.

      But I am beginning to vigorously hate the phrase “unintended consequences”!

      For the most part, they are not unintended! Reading Prez Dingleberry™’s own words, published from the time he was a state Senator shows this. And let’s not forget “fundimentally transform”, hmmm?

      This is the beginning of the earthquake resulting from such transformation. The goal is to do as the Soviet Union did and China does: keep the hoi-paloi so busy scratching-out a living fending-off starvation they don’t have time to organize against their elite masters.

      The phrase “unintended consequences” is pure poison because it denies responsibility.

      I know it was first used by Reagan. And at the time he used it, it might have had some validity.

      But it’s use post Clinton was heavily popularized by the Progressive-Republicans to give cover for the phenomena that regularly occurred when efforts to “fix” Liberty-Stealing legislation always resulted in even more theft of Liberty than if they’d left the law alone.

      Their “blunders” were always “well meaning“— at least, according to them.

      (aside:
      BTW, I meant every scare quote above, folks!)

      But, consider this:
      When every single instance of import results in the same outcome— theft of Liberty— can you honestly say the results are unintentional?

      Statistically they should screw-up in the other direction, right? But they never do.

      We’ve been snookered. When the Proggies took over the DumperCrats with fireworks to distract they took over the Republicans with stealth.

      Then they just played political tennis. Both sides, same goal, but lots of exercise for the hoi-paloi– to keep our energy drained and keep us ineffective.

      This has happen before. The indicators obvious. I know every conservative has a lot of energy invested in the belief that the top layer of Repubs aren’t like that, but look dispassionately at the last two decades. Remember how Grammnasty & Jaun McCain acted when the conservative base started to become vocal, to head-off this pass. Remember that McCain, Grammnasty and other were for awhile calling themselves Progressive-Republicans — that continued right up until Beck started reminding people jyst what being a Progressive was all about… then they stopped saying it.

      Unless we stop making this same mistake — thinking that the Republican “Establishment” can be fixed — we are wasting our energy and resources! That’s part of the plan, folks! But go ahead and keep calling them by that deceptive label.

      The “Establishment” Republicans make the rules and change them to stop non-Progressives, or “unsafe” candidates from getting near the levers of power.

      It is the rules of monopoly business practices applied to the political arena.

  • People Corporation

    Rule # 1
    They are what they accuse.

  • Elaine

    http://www.dailyjobcuts.com/#.UJwVDQHUOEh.facebook Here are all those BAD companies laying off employees ON PURPOSE, right, never mind making money, just go into debt like the feds? Ridiculous.

  • bananafanafo

    PROOF! DEMOCRAT VOTERS have NO BRAIN

  • Kyle Bradelle

    By all means, let them start their own businesses. That should create a whole new batch of conservatives! “Whoa! The government takes WHAT??”

  • SuperLogic

    Wow, what twisted thinking. Business owners are firing people just to spite Obama??? Let’s see, I’m gonna close my company just to give Obama the finger,… yeah, that will teach him! :oP Um… let me clue you in Einsteins, businesses are there to make money, they don’t lay off people just for the fun of it. Obama supporters are clueless if they believe that companies are laying off workers just to spite Obama! Delusional!

  • Gerry

    Thank you for gathering all these tweets together decrying the CEOs’ un-American decisions to lay off employees SO I CAN RT them.

    • Jeff Coil

      If you want to show the world your ignorance, go ahead.

  • http://www.facebook.com/bruce.creech.5 Bruce Creech

    I love the idiot who commented,”we should start a business and show them!” They don’t have a clue. I am a professor of Business and I try to teach SOUND Economic Principles. Students of color ignore these principles and like the debt, freebies, and voted solely on RACE. It is disgusting to think that they “supposedly” want a job, but don’t support the principles that create jobs.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/QSVJEUNHYOTAZUPB3KKUE7Y7G4 Steak

    See, this is why I wish the Left had seized 1984 before the Right did. If there was ever a Ministry of Truth, it would be the right-wing media. Case in point: this. Look, geniuses, you guys already admit this on a regular basis. The liberals you’re projecting your conspiracy theory onto? They’re reacting to your admission.

    No? Disagree? Okay, then explain to me why large facebook groups like “Positively Republican!” (over 500,000 members; more on regional divisions) post the following:

    “Click “Like” if you think every conservative business owner ought to lay off one employee – maybe one who voted for Obama? – to show Democrats and those who vote for them that small business people are the backbone of America and we won’t be punished by the socialist-progressive agenda!”

    Here we have a large, online conservative presence advocating the very thing you’re accusing liberals of making up, calling it “despicable.” I can’t wait to see every one of you head on over to “Positively Republican!” and call them despicable. Y’know, unless you want to be thought of as hypocrites. I mean, this is assuming you even care about credibility, which… c’mon, it’s not like you’re known for your credibility.

    No? Prove me wrong. Go over and tell them how despicable they are.

    • Jeff Coil

      If it was only “conservative” buinesses laying people off, your desperate rant might have meaning. But it is not. You honestly think a bunch of independent small buisness owners are going to enter into some grand conspiracy that is only going to hurt their buisness? How stupid can you get?
      As for proving you wrong, I am sure you know that is impossible, as you cannot prove a negative. Rather, I challenge you to prove yourself right.

  • la4fsu

    Dumb kool-aid drinking libs think having a job is a right. What idiots!

  • Christian

    Let the left bitch.. then can bitch all the way to the unemployment line. They were warned, they knew that the majority of business owners could not afford to keep employees under obama or the ACA. They voted for him, threatened people for him and cheated for him.

    Now they can starve for him too. I am sure he will come to their rescue like he did for his brother George in Kenya.. I sure as hell will not hire nor employ ANYONE who voted for him. I feel I can not trust their judgement and that is a sound business decision.

    I refuse to donate or help with Sandy as well. NJ & NY voted for him and FEMA, and they can go get help from them. My charity is gone for people who are so enamored with free things they sold their country down the drain.

  • http://twitter.com/anoraj1 AJ

    So every employer who has to cut staff in order to survive endless regulations and mandatory health care rules did a show of hands and everyone who voted for BO was laid off. That must have taken a lot of time. Oh well Pres O will give you a free phone for giving him your vote. You can call Obama supported companies for a job. I’m sure they will jump at the chance to hire you. Unless they are laying off as well.

  • lainer51

    the horror has just begun – wait until companies start dumping employees from their health care plan because it will be cheaper to pay the fine in Blobama-care than it is to pay the high cost of insurance. We will ALL be on Medicaid and it will soon go broke… thanks alot for voting this guy back in!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • terryb

    Obama’s the one who said vote fo revenge! He’s the one who’s tearing thiscountry down.Remember You didn’t build that! ah but we did!

  • patricia

    Were the Obama supports alway this dumb,or did Obama create them or the public schools?

  • YaseminaM

    yeah, I’m sure the CEO of Papa John is crying over being “heart brokern” in his multi million dollar castle! Fools.. this is SO obviously revenge.

    • mattsoxfan

      You are a fool who clearly knows nothing about business. Enjoy your little Obama victory, it will soon bite you. You are probably already a “taker.” Parasite and leech.

    • Danny Meeker

      You know what’s even scarier? The fact that you FOLLOWERS are more caring about your winner-president “looking good” than you are about his policies that are destroying jobs and free markets in this country. Good luck finding a job when you finish your indoctrination degree.

    • Paul Hill

      Spoken like a true liberal arts major who never had a manage a payroll in their lives. Enjoy the economy you voted for. Those of us who are use to being self-reliant will make through just fine. Can’t wait to see the look on the drones when the money runs out for their food stamps, section 8 housing, Obama Phone minutes, etc. Their probable response will be to riot and burn things.

    • Jeff Coil

      If you think only “conservative” or “republican” buisness owners are laying off, you are a fool. Why would a buisness owner fire someone “in revenge”, when doing so will only cause him to lose money? Would you have burned your own house down if Romney had won? That makes just as much sence.
      No, what is “SO obvious” is that you and those like you are dangerously ignorant. You need to pull your head out of your rear before it is too late.

  • mattsoxfan

    Obama voters, you now get what you deserve. Traitors, communists and socialist. You will now see the error of your ways. I can’t wait to see you in the streets . . .

  • Aztec01

    Stupid idiot libs! Blame everybody but themselves. Infantile little children with their neo-utopian fantasies and their vulgar tamper tantrums! Heads in their asses or in their vaginas, they hate God, hate their neighbors, hate their country, hate those who are more successful than they are, kill their children! Dutifully spewing media talking points like a dysenteric dogs, they are incapable of independent thought, or even seeing the consequences of their own idiocy. Permanently attached to the government tit they are parasites, or worse, a figurative cancer that first eats at the breast they are suckling, then destroys bone, organ and sinew before destroying the host. These damned fools bleat like the sheep they are that we are a ‘democracy’, yet in the end, they’ve reduced us to an idiocracy.

  • BB111

    To those of you who are complaining about the way these businesses are run, I have an idea. Go out there and start a business. Please tweet the name of your new business, staffed by only full time employees. We’ll be right there!!

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1403522182 John Paddock

    Giuliag wrote: “Those victims of revenge #layoffs should band together and start competitive businesses and show (cont) tl.gd/juo62r”

    @giuliag How do u think those competitive biz’s will thrive? Will u hate them too when they reduce hrs or raise prices? You don’t get it.

  • http://FREE-PPV.com/ FREE-BUSINESSES.com

    Sad, but the only ones who talk about boycot of a business because of decision to lay off workers to survive are clueless just how bad the economy already is. Why are they clueless, because the ones speaking out are obviously the ones on the gov. dole, gov. workers and union members who voted for obama.
    This was the straw that broke the camels back. Without real hope and change, it is all about survival in the uncertainty of future of economy. We will see over 10% phoney unemployment rates reported next year, and 16% plus will be the real unemployment rate, so enjoy your gov. assistance like the soon to run out unemployment benefits, welfare benefits, food stamps, disability benefits, bankrupt social security and medicare system and the expected 50% less doctors who will even accept it knowing there are no guarantees they will be reimburced.
    Does anyone really think it will only be conservatives laying off workers? When you run out of money, and can’t print more, you have only one choice, and this will be the lesson we all see first hand more and more every day. I would bet most are so clueless who are making these statements that they are not even aware the U.S. already filed for bankruptcy once before, and soon, it will again, then what will those clueless say? It was Bush’s fault. LOL

  • legab

    Revenge? As a business owner is to make a profit so I can feed my own family not to seek revenge for anything. You cannot make money with revenge. I have looked at how Obamacare is going to effect my business. I am either going to start losing money and therefore will have to close the doors or I have to find out some way to operate the business with fewer employees or a large part of part time employees. Revenge? No, this is survival for my family. I work six days a week and very long hours just to make a living to support my family and I see the real possibility of losing what I have worked so hard to build for years. Revenge? Hell no, I am just scared to death.

  • bomber

    What this “article” isn’t mentioning is that this the time of year employees typically lay people off due to fiscal year endings, etc. Boo hoo, Obama won, now get over it and let’s get busy.

    • Jeff Coil

      Except that these are NOT your normal year-end layoffs. These are permanent layoffs due to the increased cost of doing buisness impossed by Obamacare, as well as the fact that Obama is now insisting on raising these buisness owners taxes. And it is only going to get worse. This is exactly what Obama wants: more Americans on government assistance. Complete destruction of the private sector.

    • Grumpa Grumpus

      @Jennifer Stafford:

      Dear Jenny Staff-infection:

      The year-end fiscal lay-off thing occurs in September, and is historically related to the United States Fiscal Year, which begins in October. You are one month behind, Deary! But, being a “Progressive” and following an ideology outdated when I was a child in the 1920s, I surmise you cannot help it– so we’ll let that pass.

      : I simply wanted to note that the term “historical” needs emphasis because it’s related to that thing Congress used to do: pass a budge.

      By now we’re usually well into hiring for the Christmas rush!

      But what’s a few facts among idjits, right? You wouldn’t know a fact if it bit you— and I’d feel sorry for the fact: poisoning isn’t a nice way to go…

      Btw they stopped the tradition of “Passing A Budget” a full two years before the lower house changed hands, and the Senate is still blocking the passage of any now.

  • FriendOfReality

    Some of these comments from the left are indeed “despicable”.

    Do they not realize that Business owners were HOPING that Obama would not be re-elected so that the regulations and obamacare could be rolled back?

    Do they not realize WHAT COST the regulations and Obamacare add to the cost of doing business?

    Do they not realize that any business owner has to look at their profit margin and when the new regulations and Obamacare mean that their profit margins disappear that they have to make adjustments?

    Unfortunately, many on the left REALLY DON’T UNDERSTAND that we are dangerously close to going off the cliff. Have they not been to the grocery store lately?

    They voted a certain way because of what they could GET out of that vote, NOT for love of country or values.

    Whether it is a republican or a democrat, they need to understand that all of the entitlements are STILL GOING TO BE THERE – it just comes down to how they are PAID FOR. Obama seems to think that he can tax our way out – When the reality of it is, he could tax the rich at 100% and it wouldn’t make A DENT OVER THE COURSE OF 5 YEARS.

    Next year entitlements are GOING TO BE 100% of our revenue – 100% ! Something needs to change, because the more Obama taxes business owners and the more he regulates them, the more they are going to lay off, cut hours, and fire their employees, which is going to burden the system even more.

    It’s awful convenient that the report showing that food stamp usage SHOT UP DRAMATICALLY over the last 3 months was sat on until after the election, much the same way as the firing on our drone by Iran and the scandal of Patreus – And don’t forget about Benghazi.

    If any other president was sitting in office, the press would be all over these stories, but they are so complicent with the Obama Administration that they wouldn’t think of airing a story that put him in a bad light.

    If you are a CNN or MSNBC viewer, you are likely to think that we are in our Golden age, that the middle class is growing, and that all the problems of the world have been solved. It’s disgusting.

  • http://saddlebum1.wordpress.com/ Timothy W. Lucas

    I can’t believe you people are that stupid but you are. Business has been under threat for four years. You dumb asses haven’t a clue.

  • ShifoBrains

    don’t these geniuses understand that its a simple matter of arithmetic . the more you have to pay towards any overhead expense, the less you have to expand and hire. its not a moral decision, its simple numbers. and as one of the posts noted – when businesses are boycotted, revenues go down, more people get laid off. …….. uh….duh!!

  • Man of Little Means

    Funny how the left looks at the service and want to boycott. I wonder when was the last time they ever tipped the cashier at McDonalds, Wonder if they pay their baby sitter the same hourly wage they get paid I wonder if they will out be lobbying for healthcare for baby sitters or the kid who mows their grass, or the landscaper, the pool cleaner or poor Mitt Romney’s trash collector. More hugs please.I thought liberals ate tofu. I think chick-fil-a will tell you liberal boycotts are good for business. WalMart a major contributor to the Obama campaign doesn’t provide healthcare. Thought the Obama care was free healthcare for all

  • devil_wheels

    Who is John Galt?

  • Joe Smith

    what are some more specifics about obamare on the businesses?
    1. over 50 employees must provide health insurance

    2. over 30 hours pride inurance but doe sit also have to be over 50 employees?
    3 just off insurance or pay a required percentage?
    4.additional taxes besides offering insurance?

    thanks

  • alexpdx

    “Layoff Bomb” LMAO

    That’s the fear-inducing, right-wing propaganda machine hard at work for you. Did anyone even bother looking through those companies? I saw one list being circulated which even included a German company laying off 20 people… in Germany.

    Talk about desperation.

    Blackberry (RIM) has been skating on the brink of collapse for years. Their stock nosedived in 2008. Yet you manage to blame that on Obama, LOL

    Groupon is laying off 80 people as they’ve been planning to automate several processes. Automation… machines replacing humans… a silly concept, I know!

    Do I need to go on? Why haven’t you even bothered to mention all the companies who, in the past few days, have announced plans to HIRE people? Even KENTUCKY, a deep red state, reports “52% of KY manufacturers say they plan to hire in 2013”.

    Keep at it, crazy people… you’ll keep yourselves way too busy over the next four years to even begin to focus on the 2016 elections.

    • http://www.facebook.com/eileen.eulich.7 Eileen Eulich

      fire obama supporters, and do not consider them for any future opportunities

  • Wendy Pollock

    all of u repugnents need to be spayed and neutered

    • http://www.facebook.com/eileen.eulich.7 Eileen Eulich

      great, another make work program we will need to fund.

  • http://www.facebook.com/jason.stewart.50702769 Jason Stewart

    If that can’t learn from the last four years…they can’t learn….

    • Just Another Guy

      They learned…that they can get free stuff.

      But they didn’t learn that “free stuff” comes with a price.

  • http://www.facebook.com/bill.lindsey.9 Bill Lindsey

    From the beginning of the passage of Obamacare, we on the right have been warning of the consequences that will be faced by American businesses. B H O knew what businesses would have to do in order to survive. I realize that those of you who have no business experience are , none-the-less, experts on corporate profits but those who are responsible for the well being of their companies must use their, obviously, inferior experience to make decisions about survival. This is the beginning of B H O’s goal of single provider insurance. Once you are dependent upon government healthcare, you too will regret Nov. 6 2012.

  • CainCan

    I blame this on Obama! He inherited this mess from the last four years of… oh. Ummm.. HIMSELF. Wow. I guess the whole “last four years of Bush” thing is officially over?

  • Croaking Toad

    As liberal extremism gets a death grip on the country, I have told my daughter about to graduate with a degree in international finance to get a dual citizenship someplace in the event she has to flee the country.

  • mwill

    not a valid source

  • therantinggeek

    I ran a search on that Wiki article for “$62.50” and “$750”, but came up with no hits. Three different browsers (IE, Firefox, Chrome). So, where’d you get the number from?

  • Kevin Krom

    Oh, Wikipedia. That’s SOOOO reliable for anything with political overtones to it.

  • Streetiebird

    Not enough pictures?

  • mwill

    even you know its not a valid source, a site where anyone can edit to bolster their position

  • Streetiebird

    It’s the fee for not providing insurance for your employees if you’re over 50 employees. Try to keep up.

  • therantinggeek

    Also, any information posted on a Wiki article needs to be referenced.

  • Streetiebird

    you asked me to link IT, so I did. would you like me to google anything else for you?

  • Streetiebird

    the question was “link it” so I did. If you disagree with the $750 fee then I guess you’re living in an alternate reality.

  • http://twitter.com/who_me_too RadicalRebelWhoMeToo

    Wikipedia?!?!?!?! Aaahahahahaha!!! XD

  • therantinggeek

    “It’s the fee for not providing insurance for your employees if you’re over 50 employees. Try to keep up.”

    Really?

    Try inserting this into your browser’s “Find” function on that Wiki article:

    “Impose a $2,000 per employee penalty on employers with more than 50 employees who do not offer health insurance to their full-time workers (as amended by the reconciliation bill)”

    External reference: McNamara, Kristen (March 25, 2010). “What Health Overhaul Means for Small Businesses”. The Wall Street Journal.

  • Johnny Banco

    It’s worse than that, even – the number of employees starts at 30, not 50.

    Numbers, like math, are hard for Streetietird.

  • therantinggeek

    Let me use my Google-fu, grasshopper, and see what else we can come up with…

    http://money.cnn.com/2012/06/28/smallbusiness/supreme-court-health-reform/index.htm

    “Any company with at least 50 full-time employees must start providing insurance to staff in 2014. If they don’t and a single worker turns to the government for a health care tax credit or subsidy on the exchanges, then the company has to pay fines.

    It won’t be cheap. The penalty starts at $40,000, and increases with the size of the firm’s workforce by $2,000 for each additional worker past 50.

    And it won’t be enough to provide just any insurance, either. The plan must cover at least 60% of health care expenses, and insurance has to cost the employee less than 9.5% of his or her family’s salary. If coverage is deemed substandard by those measures, the company is hit with an even higher penalty of $3,000 per employee.”

    I’m still trying to find another source that confirms the $40K penalty as quoted in that CNN article, but I found a flowchart that tries to simplify the question of “how much”:

    http://healthreform.kff.org/the-basics/employer-penalty-flowchart.aspx

  • Streetiebird

    Thanks for the link, I see a lot of stories quoting $750 as the yearly fee per employee, and some quoting $2,000 per employee. It’s possible that $2,000 is more accurate.

  • Michelle Blackwell

    So, let me get this straight, if the business complies with the law there is no fine?! Like if you don’t run a red light and obey the law you don’t get a fine.

    So, why don’t people just obey the law. Seems simple enough.

  • http://twitter.com/wenegne Tamara D. Clark

    lol@making streetiebird speechless

  • therantinggeek

    I’m leaning more towards $2,000 myself. As it is, it’s nearly the weekend for me and my family comes first, so I probably won’t be able to do any more research on that $40K penalty as mentioned in the CNN article. I’m guessing it’s somewhere in the SCOTUS decision.

  • Johnny Banco

    possible“? You are a dingbat, Streetietird!

  • Guest

    Doesn’t matter which fee…any fee is too much. It’s a tax!

  • Streetiebird

    I believe you are correct.

  • Streetiebird

    Cry more.

  • Johnny Banco

    Awww, poor little retarded Streetietird, so stupid that she mistakes her own ugly and crying reflection in the mirror for my beautiful and smiling face, off to the side & laughing at her!

  • Guest

    Perhaps you should get ready to cry more…you’re really in for it with your president being re-elected.

  • Streetiebird

    And all you have are insults :) You should play Call of Duty.

  • Streetiebird

    Thanks, I’m not into fighting though. Have a great day!

  • WhiteFalcon1

    I swore the same Oath…thank you for your service,, brother!

    2/ 325th Airborne Infantry Regiment
    82nd Airborne Division
    Ranger
    77 thru 91

  • therantinggeek

    Gotta defend my reputation as an Alpha Geek somehow :)

  • SpinMeNot

    And another coward goes off to wank in the corner to his photo’s of Bey and Michelle.

  • Johnny Banco

    It’s “all” I have? Remind me who it is that have you been unable to prove wrong about that $2,000/year figure, you whiny retard.

    Keep crying while I keep laughing at you & your comical cowardice, Streetietird! :)

  • Streetiebird

    You’re doing well. Thanks for being civil about it too!

  • Bizness22

    He tells you to have a great day after insulting you.
    I’ll bet you have a great one. Insults sure do make days great.

  • Streetiebird

    I didn’t think you could lower yourself further. I’m honestly curious to see what you say next. Maybe something about my mother?

  • therantinggeek

    I’m probably one of the few Conservatives who prefer civil conversation/discourse when discussing issues like this with those on the Left. And yes, I have quite a few friends on the other side of the political aisle…although to the majority of my fellow Geeks, they can’t quite understand how I can reconcile Conservatism with Geekhood. *shrug*

    …although they tend to cringe when I pwn them by rolling a natural 19 or 20 on a 20-sided die. :)

  • Streetiebird

    Read my other comments if you care so much about my stance on the $2000.

  • therantinggeek

    Interesting analogy, but you’re correct. If a business complies with the law then there is no penalty. But to answer your question, I really don’t have a clear, concise answer. I would say that not everyone agrees with all of the mandates as listed, and there are those of us who agree with some of the mandates but disagree with the penalties that come with them for failing to comply.

    According to that flowchart I referenced, $2,000 multiplied by (x-30), where “x” is the number of full-time employees, isn’t cheap. In some instances, it goes up to *three* thousand dollars per full time employee. That same penalty increases each year with the growth of insurance costs. For a small business owner, that can add up pretty quickly.

  • SpinMeNot

    She obviously did not take the time to ensure you have the ability to think critically. You insult all those that give you the right to be a punk-ass kid, and you tell me I can’t sink any lower?

    Wow. I had no idea how bad things had gotten. I am so thankful that my grandchildren are nothing like you.

  • Streetiebird

    Actually the insults are hurled at me first. But do go on.

  • SpinMeNot

    I am sorry, but you are delusional. You post unsupported opinions and expect not to be ridiculed by people that have a basic command of the facts and claim to the victim?

    Oh wait, sorry. Everyone is a winner in your world. Everyone has the right to spout lies and claim they are facts, all in the name of free speech. Not on my watch Junior.

    If the zips are going to be in the wire all night, somebody start some coffee …

  • Linds

    Hey, own it. You come on here as a trolling @sshole, insulting others left and right. Yeah, you’re going to get insulted. If you can’t take the heat, get out of the kitchen. The fact is that if you didn’t have the interwebs and your wittle computer to hide behind, you wouldn’t dare say anything like this to any of these people in person. Weasel.

  • Johnny Banco

    You don’t get it – I don’t care about your late-to-the-party stance, I’ve just enjoyed calling you a retard as I’ve watched you be unable to prove I was wrong after you so haughtily and foolishly told me I was, little Steetietird, you who self-righteously struggles mightily with humility and decency! :)

  • SpinMeNot

    Charlie mike!

  • Streetiebird

    Wow, settle down with the name calling.

  • Streetiebird

    But I do not insult people the way I am insulted. I’ve been called all manner of names this morning alone.

  • Guest

    Got a Keurig…you want regular, half-cafe, or decaf.

  • Streetiebird

    I do get that you enjoy calling me names. It’s good therapy after the whooping Romney received. I understand.

  • SpinMeNot

    Street, I am sorry but you do. What you said to me, and indirectly to anyone else that has served this country in the military, was an insult the likes of which you can’t comprehend.

    You make statements that cannot be supported, and expect us to listen to you seriously, make those statements in a snarky fashion, and when we get snarky back. You get offended — what about the offense of insulting our intelligence by repeating half-truths and feel-good platitudes that don’t have a basis in fact.

    It goes both ways. Start with respectful debate, keep it respectful and you’ll get the same in return.

    Candor, intelligence and good will — they can take you far.

  • Guest

    Oh, poor baby.

  • Streetiebird

    I understand what I said. I find it disgusting to leave our fellow Americans to die in the trenches because they can’t afford care. If you’re insulted by that then at least you understand that we are actively letting people die. This whole site is based on disrespect, so don’t try to counsel me on how to behave here, thanks.

  • Johnny Banco

    Streetietird, are you intentionally trying to set a record for the most consecutive cluelessly false and hilariously stupid comments in the service of avoiding the issues at hand?

    You are on quite the roll here, you retard! :)

  • Streetiebird

    Are you afraid I’ll beat your record? Don’t worry, you’re WAY ahead :)

  • Johnny Banco

    Streetietird=not just a, THE poster child for the Dunning-Kruger effect!

  • Guest

    Way ahead on accuracy, unlike you SB.

  • SpinMeNot

    They aren’t being left to die because they can’t afford care. If they don’t get care its is because they didn’t seek it out.

    Go to internet, look for the EMTALA Act. Care is there, it has been since that law was passed. No one is being allowed to die for lack of care. It is either by the criminal action of an individual or some group of people. We don’t need to take money from my, or my sons, or anyone else in order to provide something that is already provided.

    You are the one being disrepctful. If you want this to stop, then stop responding.

  • v1cious

    Actually the Tea Party voted down Veterans’ benefits, so he’s wrong on that, too.

  • Guest

    This whole site is based on showing how the MSM is slanted to the left…and the tweets at the top of the page show that very thing. Disrespect? You have the cajones to come here and accuse us of disrespect? How about you come here with some real facts and ask questions, instead of pigeonholing all of us and spewing unfounded tripe…and for your information, I have a Ph.D in counseling, so I’m pretty sure I have the credentials to counsel you on how to behave here.

  • Streetiebird

    Johnny Banco = Someone who is obsessed with me.

  • Streetiebird

    kk, bye

  • SpinMeNot

    Good-bye, be safe, be well, be happy. It is unlikely that any of us will get any of those things for much longer.

  • Johnny Banco

    Making fun of you because of your arrogance and lack of good manners, which you exhibit by your inability to gracefully and humbly admit that you’ve been wrong=”obsessed with” you? ROFL@you!

    Ok, I can see that you are just desperately trolling for attention like a lonely brat now, so I say goodbye, Streetietird, you retard! :)

  • Guest

    Delusions of grandeur…see it all the time in my practice.

  • Streetiebird

    I love you too hun <3

  • Streetiebird

    Robert Minor? Love your fan site… LOL

  • Streetiebird

    Or should I call you Bob?

  • Guest

    I don’t think you’re in any position here to tell anyone what to do….troll.

  • Darth_Venomous

    “Settle down with the name calling”?

    And if we don’t, princess? Gonna come out from behind mommy’s skirt and start a slap fight, buttercup?

    Yeah, didn’t think so. You’re still a coward.

  • Streetiebird

    LOL you’re precious :) Maybe you should get counseled yourself, you act very immature and probably have some pent up anger issues stemming from early childhood treatment by your overly strict Republican father.

  • Streetiebird

    LOL being secretary at a children’s counselor’s office doesn’t impress me.

  • Streetiebird

    You again, how vile…

  • Darth_Venomous

    Don’t like it, nancy-boy? Come do something about it.

    Oh, that’s right. Almost forgot. You get challenged, suddenly yours aren’t quite as brass as you thought. Typical.

  • SpinMeNot

    very nice, now what exactly is moronic about the truth. If you are you going to come out swinging, you need to keep your off hand up and provide a second shot.

    What I see above, is that you are a liberal-progressive puke, that doesn’t like individuals that are not liberal progressive pukes being allow to express their opinion.

    Not on my watch Junior.

  • Streetiebird

    Robert, is that you?

  • Darth_Venomous

    Nope, Short Bus, you’ve actually got someone else who’d be happy to have you show up on his doorstep and get your ass whipped.

    You’re amassing quite the collection, there. No wonder you’re hiding behind mommy’s skirt. (guffaw)