KISS legend Paul Stanley isn’t too keen on A&E’s decision to kowtow to the Left’s tolerance thugs. His take: “Duck Dynasty” patriarch Phil Robertson should be able to “shout it, shout it, shout it out loud” without penalties.

Stanley, who participated in the NO H8 Campaign’s duct tape theater, says he’s more offended by the suspension of Robertson for voicing his beliefs than by anything the reality star said.

Stanley engaged one Twitter user who took issue with his position.

A&E has every right to crap all over beliefs shared by a significant portion of Americans (while cashing in with “Duck Dynasty” marathons featuring Phil). But Stanley still bristles at penalties for “offensive” speech.

  • Zathras11 @B5

    Stunning contrast with Gene who is tweeting slights of former band mates and support for Common Core(sic).

  • Republicanvet

    I find Mark Lore offensive. He should shut up.

    • NRPax

      It’s the umlauts over his name. Makes him look like an idiot. -:-)

      • Republicanvet

        Prolly a new status symbol. Sorta like having a hyphenated name.

        • TCDave

          People with hyphenated names should be forced to spell the hyphen.

          • Desilyna

            That’s funny, lol!

      • Calcat36

        He is an idiot. An easily offended idiot.

        NR– U Suckers Missed Christmas AGAIN… They are on the move in the Sudan. I wonder how this will all go down.

        • NRPax

          Hopefully it will end quickly and thoroughly.

          • Calcat36

            Amen. History though, does not bear that out. The ROE are against them, if they even have ammo.

          • Clete Torres

            Knowing the fools in charge these days, I’d say it’s no better than 50-50 that they have live rounds.

          • Calcat36

            Too bad that General Gray, or a warrior like him, is not the Commandant…

          • Hype

            General Mattis is a warrior that is why this weak administration fired him… Pray for the troops being sent in with their hands tied… (And this has nothing to do with the oil… Cause Hope and Change ain’t about that… Remember Libya, Exxon may not have been there but Total and the Italians are/were…) got to luv these hypocrites… Oh well Merry Christmas and
            Semper Fi
            Just a retired MGuns running his pie hole….

          • Calcat36

            Master Guns, would any Marine accept the firing of Gray? The General that carried a canteen cup and wore cammies everywhere? Different time, different Marine Corps! I see that point, and aye aye, Master Guns I will indeed pray for those brothers in harm’s way.Many of them, I may have put there. This administration is nothing but hostile to warriors and in FACT ordered stand down when our boys were engaged in Benghazi. That is the act of a traitor. You and I would have gone without a second thought.

            Merry Christmas jarhead, and as always, Semper Fi.

          • Hype

            I survived Jimmy Carter’s dismantling of the military… At least he had served and didn’t have the hate this administration has. There is a lot of waste and fraud in the military budget… There way too many flag officers but that is a way of controlling the institution. Promote those who will blindly follow your policies, unquestionable loyalty for the regime. If you look at Benghazi and the resignations of flag officers (and the scandals that became public) you can see a pattern. I hope we can turn this around if not I am moving south.

            And anyway the Fool in Chief had an important fund raiser to attend in Vegas so he left the decision making the the Secretary of Hate I mean state…

            Semper Fi

          • Calcat36

            Then you must have rejoiced when Ronnie RAYGUN, ie, Reynauldus Maximus took over. That is when I enlisted. And understood the difference between liberal presidents who cut military, and conservative Presidents who support the military.

          • Hype

            There is plenty of pork in the military budget… Too many flag officers sucking up to the Head Clown… Lobbyist poking their heads into the flags’ backsides offering sweet positions for them when they retire. Quite honestly PMC’s give you the best bang for the buck. Long history of professional warriors willing to hire on….

          • Calcat36

            Did you serve under Reagan? I see and agree with your point, however the flip side is that those who disagree with this current administration, have been disappeared.

            Those who reject JOB CREATING/SURVIVAL budgets are also sent away.

            PMC? Please explain.

          • Fairfax51

            Where’s the next Eisenhower?

          • Calcat36

            Hey now goooood pooch… We need a Reagan now.

          • Fairfax51

            Reagan and Eisenhower; and Margaret Thatcher and Winston Churchill in England. Oh my. The thought makes this pooch have to go run around the house a couple times. Where is my squeaky toy?

          • Calcat36

            Squeaky toy? I GOT BACON! And left over ham for my Beagle…

            Given a choice, I would want a Reagan. Churchill was a scumbag.

          • Fairfax51

            I couldn’t eat another bite. Packed full of roast.
            No argument on Reagan and won’t argue Churchill tonite. Too late. I have a soft, comfy couch calling my name until my master goes to bed where I get the whole bottom of the bed to myself.

          • Fairfax51

            Amen. Come big or stay at home. No rules in love and war. You cannot win with your hands tied behind your back w/minimum amount of troops. Sending our military to be slaughtered because of political correctness is just wrong. If your goal is minimum enemy casualties, it is not war, it’s a game.

    • JMW

      I believe the correct “liberal” thing to do would be to get him fired for his offensive comments. How dare he speak out! /

  • Guest

    I have always humbly believed and tried to practice the approach of “Judge not, lest ye be judged.” EXACTLY concurrent with Mr. Stanley’s final point, no? Judging others harshly may be fine, until you are the judged. As Christ said to the crowd ready to stone the accused prostitute, “Let he who is WITHOUT SIN cast the first stone.”

    • Calcat36

      That judge not quote is the most misquoted verse in the bible. Jesus actually came to divide and that verse harshly condemns being a hypocrite. There are many passages that compel us to judge our brothers and sisters. “Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you keep away from every brother who leads an unruly life and not according to the tradition which you received from us.” (2 Thessalonians3:6)

      There are many more passages that demand judgment of others, without being a hypocrite, which is what your stone passage conveys. The hypocrites put the rocks down.

      • Guest

        IMHO, there is a difference between the “judgements” we must make in our ASSOCIATIONS and in giving our SUPPORT, versus publicly condemning another sinner and causing harm thereto. And in the stoning passage, my interpretation is that NONE are without sin, and able to condemn, but God Himself. I may well be wrong, but given the fallibility of Man, (and my own inadequacy), I prefer to judge not the person, but to disapprove the sin. In this context, to disapprove the sin is done by not participating in or supporting it. For example, I, too, disapprove of same sex marriage, but I do not “judge” homosexuals or others regards it. I simply do not practice it and I oppose the legislative approval of it. If you find that position or explanation inadequate, well, as I have said. I am certainly fallible, and as much a sinner as any… IT IS ONLY THROUGH HIS GRACE THAT WE ARE SAVED, NOT BY OUR ACTS, AND CERTAINLY NOT BY ACTS ALONE. HIS GRACE, MINUTE-BY-MINUTE as well as day-by-day. May you and yours enjoy a BLESSED and MERRY CHRISTMAS.

        • Calcat36

          Then all of what you typed is BS, especially the idiotic difference in judgments. Your opinion and your interpretations are false. Your preferences are not in accordance with the Word, so to ignore them, you turn your back on God Himself. Do yourself a favor, pick up a Bible and read it. Then learn how foolish you sound. Jesus never sought to be “politically correct.” He did not say what people wanted to hear, but what was true. He did not adapt to people; he expected people to adapt to God’s truth as He spoke it. He said that his words, which were given to him by his Father (John 12:49), spoke a universal truth that would outlast the physical universe. “Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away” (Matthew 24:35). He said that his words would be the test by which men would ultimately be judged (John 12:48).

          “Do you think I came to bring peace on earth? No, I tell you, but division.” Luke 12:51

          • Guest

            You really consider yourself the final arbiter. I feel the love.

          • Calcat36

            No. God and Jesus are. And they left strict guidelines in order to gain everlasting life.

            Ignore them at your own peril, but hey, whatever makes you FEEL good.

          • Guest

            How certain you are that the mote has been removed from your own eye. Judge me, then, as ignorant. I still wish you well, and Merry Christmas, Sir. Stone me, or condemn me, as you wish. Oh, and btw, IMHO, I hold that God, Jesus, and The Holy Spirit are One. Why would you differentiate? Are you a polytheist? Why else speak like one? Just sayin’…

          • Calcat36

            I make no judgment on you. Go play victim somewhere else. As I recommended, get a Bible and read it, you will realize how completely stupid you are. 2 Peter 1:21-For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost. 2 Peter 2:21–21 For it would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they had known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.

            Shoot the messenger all you want, and away with your infernal merry christmas.

          • Guest

            I take the liberty of pointing out the following for your everlasting edification and understanding, in love and in peace. You begin with the claim that you “make no judgement on” me. You then proceed to call me stupid. Is that not the”purist” and oldest form of ad hominem fallacy known to rational man? THEN you proceed to quote verse (with no background or context) which would seem to condemn my soul forever more to the wrath of God. Well, now… Perhaps YOU need a primer, at least, on Logic. AND, just a small btw, are you a Creationist Polytheist, and why should I listen to your claptrap at all? Are you the “Designated Theist/Polytheist” on Twitchy? I had no idea Michelle and Co. Worked that way. So I wish you, Good day, (spelled with TWO O’s), and Merry Christmas, Mr. or Mrs. or Ms. or whatever. Be well.

          • Calcat36

            Stupid is as stupid does. It is not a judgment, and you are incapable of seeing that, because you are indeed stupid.

            I do not know your soul. God does. Your problem is with Him.

            Keep taking shots in the dark as that is all you have left now because you lost.

            Take your infernal, unsubstantiated merry christmas with you. You have no idea of the Reason.

            All quotes refuted your stupidity. Which means you are too stupid to put them into proper context, stupid.

          • Guest

            Brilliant. An absolutely brilliant post. Phffffffft. Bush bye.

          • Guest

            And I STILL strongly dislike auto-correct. That SHOULD be “Buhbye.”

          • Calcat36

            Typed the spelling Nazi! Right back at cha, hypocrite!

          • Guest

            You refer to someone else, Idiot. I did not correct YOUR spelling, only my own. If you could simply read and comprehend my posts, I would be concerned. But that you now conflate ME with another poster is the proof in the proverbial pudding. I will feed the Troll no more. You may have the sandbox, if you wish.

          • http://www.ipblogging.com/ Tom Connelly

            Way to go calling others stupid. Great way to get people to come round to your way of “thinking”… not

          • objective

            Actually Yeshua taught us to survive in the world of Mammon, hence, “Give unto Caeser what is Caesar’s “and “be as wise as a serpent and peaceful as a dove”. He tried to teach us wisdom in the discernment department. We are not to be hypocrites, but also know when to speak and when to hold your tongue. Merry Christmas all. May the spirit bring Holy wisdom and peace to us all.. :)

          • Calcat36

            What, exactly, does that BS mean to you?
            “I have come to bring fire on the earth, and how I wish it were already kindled! But I have a baptism to undergo, and how distressed I am until it is completed! Do you think I came to bring peace on earth? No, I tell you, but division. From now on there will be five in one family divided against one another, three against two and two against three. They will be divided, father against son and son against father, mother against daughter and daughter against mother, mother-in-law against daughter-in-law and daughter-in-law against mother-in-law” (Luke 12:49-53)

          • http://www.ipblogging.com/ Tom Connelly

            “Christians” like you give Christianity and Christ a bad rap. You sound more like a muslim.

      • therealguyfaux ✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

        Judge not that you not be judged, for by what judgment you judge you ARE judged, and what measure you mete out is meted unto you.

        Basically, Jesus is saying that hypocrites have much less room to judge people, but since all of us sin, we should not “judge,” so much as “warn,” others about sin, till we get our own house in order. To assume we are any less a sinner than anyone else, hence in a better position to “judge,” is a sin of presumptuousness.

        Jesus had said that the prophets had come to warn, but that the people were too prideful to listen– a sin of presumptuousness.

        • Calcat36

          Shall I post the scripture references that demand we judge others?

          So, tell me again, what is your judgment of the current administration? Since you have never, (assumed) been in the NSA, can you judge, by law, that they are breaking the law? And would it be hypocritical of you to do so?

          • Guest

            Now, Catcat36, you would not purposely conflate judgement against God’s Law and judgement against Man’s Law, would you??? Nah, I didn’t THINK so, Your Righteousness. Phffftttt, again, Sir. Have you debated ANYTHING logically? You are very good at snark, disrespect, and certainly a “holier than thou” attitude. I just don’t think you got an A in Debate, if you ever took the class or tried doing it with any real humility. Good Night.

          • Calcat36

            Keep typing stupid. If by righteousness, you mean to type that posting scripture that proves you are an idiot, then yes, I stand guilty as charged.

            Holier than thou? By posting what the Holiest has Written? Now, once again, do not shoot the messenger. Take the message up with the source.

          • Guest

            Stupid is using name-calling, deflection, straw men, ad hominum, and other known fallacious techniques to attempt to win a rational debate in the year 2013. You claim to have addressed all my points with direct quotes from the Bible, and yet you have not actually ANSWERED ANY OF THEM. For example, right above, do you deny any difference between my, a any generic person’s, right and ability to “judge” against God’s Law or Man’s Law? Do you concede any difference therein? Is “judgement” of this administration’s use of NSA, (an act that must be judged against Man’s Law, or the Constitution and the Laws under which the NSA is subservient), comparable to that which will be judged against God’s Law? Yet, you conflate the two. An OBVIOUSLY faulty and fallacious argument. You have not answered that, for starters. Get real.

          • Calcat36

            Yet you are stupid. With all of your non arguments. Were you not a man of the cloth, until you had no cloth to back up your stupidity?

            Does RENDER UNTO CAESAR RING A BELL?

          • Guest

            I quote you, directly, below:
            “Shall I post the scripture references that demand we judge others?

            So, tell me again, what is your judgment of the current administration? Since you have never, (assumed) been in the NSA, can you judge, by law, that they are breaking the law? And would it be hypocritical of you to do so?”

            What the hell does “Render unto Caesar” have to do with my point, Sir Idiot? Which is, for those who’s reading comprehension may be deteriorating in their time, that the JUDGING of THIS ADMINISTRATION and the NSA is a judgement USING MAN’S LAW, which is “COMPLETELY KNOWABLE BY MAN!” The judgements being made of OTHER MORTAL HUMANS being made BY mortal humans using GOD’S LAW IS MEANINGLESS, simply because it is MADE BY THE FALLIBLE WHO CAN NOT KNOW ALL OF HIS LAW, NOR CONSIDER HIS JUDGEMENT.

            Do you comprehend the distinction yet, or???

          • Calcat36

            Reference the quote and apply it to your ignorant post. Or continue to ramble on. Your choice, WAR hero.

          • http://www.ipblogging.com/ Tom Connelly

            He sounds like one of those Westboro Baptists…

          • Dawn Johnson Pence

            How about “You shall know them by their fruits.” We are called to be fruit inspectors and judge actions, BUT we are to judge them according to God’s Word so as to point out the sin so they can repent and return to righteousness, NOT as condemnation. HUGE difference there, realguyfaux. It is loving to do so because the intent is to be loving and return them to righteousness, not to hurt them.

        • badbadlibs

          Jesus said to judge righteously! John 7:24
          His comment about judging not was directed at the person who is doing the same thing he or she is accusing and condemning others of doing.
          Paul admonished the church for not judging a matter.
          The Lord tells us thru His Word His church will judge angels.
          We better be able to judge as well, right here, right now.

          • therealguyfaux ✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Of course Jesus says to use your judgment– He’s talking about knowing how no one comes out unscathed in any “judging contest.” You cannot point your finger at someone and call them a sinner till you acknowledge that you are one also, and that all people face the Final Judgment in the Last Days. Most people will not first confess their own sins, so Jesus is saying in effect to STFU till you do.

            To admonish someone not to do something is NOT the same thing as telling them they are headed straight to hell for having done it– not your call, chief. To tell them they ought to repent their sins or face the wrath of the Lord is NOT the same thing as calling down the wrath of the Lord upon them– the Lord don’t hafta obey YOU.

            If you make life Hell on earth for someone who sins and you claim to do it in Jesus’ name, He’s telling you that by calling down the wrath of the Lord upon them, you call down the wrath of the Lord upon yourself– and you had best be prepared when it comes.

          • badbadlibs

            Wow, you’ve addressed nothing of what I have said, but have taken this opportunity to exert some sort of self induced know it all tirade.
            I leave you to Jesus. I’m moving on….

          • therealguyfaux ✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Just wanted to get the terms of the discussion clear, that’s all. And “know-it-all” tirade is a bit rich, Mr Mote-and-beam.

          • Calcat36

            Take it easy Guy. Remember now, you are dealing with actual believers.

          • Guest

            Is it not true, then, that “all have sinned and come short of the Glory…” Or did I just hear that somewhere??? I still maintain that He was referencing ALL mankind… Sorry, just my humble opinion. And I still believe that it is ONLY by the GRACE of GOD that I AM saved… My status with God, who IS one and the same with JESUS, regardless of the separations you draw, is for NO MAN to know or judge, but for Him alone. On this, we must agree to disagree, Badbadlibs and Catcat36, because my knowledge that I AM saved is certain, regardless of YOUR (potentially, since you are but mortal men, and fallible) interpretations of His Word. You are both mortal men, as am I. We are ALL certainly fallible. I know and admit I have sinned, the specifics of which are between my personal savior, Jesus, and myself. And I know I will sin tomorrow, in some way, shape, or form, whether I know it or not. Exactly BECAUSE I AM A MAN, MORTAL, OF THE FLESH, SUBJECT TO THE TEMPTATIONS OF SATAN AND THE SINS OF PRIDE AND ARROGANCE, WISHING TO DO MY OWN WILL AND NOT HIS, THEREBY INJECTING DISOBEDIENCE AND SIN INTO THE HUMAN CONDITION. I most humbly repeat for you all that it is by HIS GRACE ALONE, not my own acts, or the acts/OPINIONS of others, that I am saved. May you hear this in peace. John, Chapter 3, Verse 16.

          • badbadlibs

            I didn’t say a thing about your state of salvation. You seem to have gone quite wordy about defending it, though, so there must be a reason, perhaps you should examine what that’s all about.
            I was referring to the meaning of judge not,
            God says in 2Peter 1:20:
            All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
            We don’t get to have our own “opinions”. God admonishes us to study to show ourselves approved and in order to rightly divide the Word.
            Jesus said to judge righteously, Paul said we better be able to judge matters as we will be judging Angels!
            Mr. Robertson in quoting the Word of God and having his belief system grounded in God’s OPINION, does not make him judgmental, but in God’s eyes, wise.

          • Calcat36

            Word to the wise let the community agitator go.

          • badbadlibs

            Which one are you referring to, there seems to be more then one.

          • Calcat36

            The one currently agitating you.

          • badbadlibs

            “guest”? “therealguyfaux”?
            I’m new here….forgive me, I’m stumped.

          • Calcat36

            Welcome aboard. Like your posts. trgf is very aloof, yet he is almost always dead on target. I get ripped for an “anonymous” profile by leftists who always side with a guest!

            Guest, John Singer(the canary in the coal mine), the tub of lard juliette, and Bill whatever it is… Are just the beginning. Good luck and GOD speed, friend.

          • Calcat36

            BOOM! +10.

          • badbadlibs

            Thanks and I won’t be needing any explanation! 😉

          • Calcat36

            BOOM! +10! So, all of the down votes are from those too stupid to hear the Word?

      • John Singer

        Paul Stanley’s real name is Stanley Eisen. He is Jewish. Last I checked 2 Thessalonians was NEW Testament. If I am not mistaken, the Jewish community is not well versed in the New Testament. So, the “misquote,” of this verse should be forgiven in this instance.

        • Calcat36

          Try again, stupid. The conversation was not with Paul Stanley, idiot. Had NOTHING TO DO WITH PAUL STANLEY or his religious affiliation.

          Good moonbat, making sh*t up to try to win an argument that you are having against yourself.

          • John Singer

            I won the argument, get over it. lol

          • Calcat36

            Ummm you won nothing except the title of moron. Try reall hard to reread the posts, and once again, PAUL STANLEY was not the person discussed.

            But hey, if you FEEL better, go piss up a rope, like you are doing here.

          • Guest

            Methinks perhaps you be “the troll…” Not Mr. Singer.

          • Guest

            btw, I was referring to Catcat36 as the troll-like presence, not you Mr. Singer… Wanted to be clear

          • John Singer

            Is it me or does anyone else find it wrong someone spewing obscenities and quoting the Bible in the same statement like Calcat36? BTW, Have a very Merry Christmas, everyone. :)

          • Calcat36

            It is you. Freedom of religion and speech.

          • John Singer

            It is okay, your failure to concede and your flagrant use of obscenities shows that you not only lack intellect but also lack decency as well. Hey, to each their own, I guess?

          • Calcat36

            Ok then. Says you. You may have the last word.

          • John Singer

            Waiting for you to get the last word in, come on… Do not disappoint us…

          • Calcat36

            Words convey ideas; they are vehicles of communication. It is, therefore, the idea associated with an expression that can create an evil word pattern. Here are passages that address the matter in principle.

            The Scriptures speak of “filthy” talking (Eph. 5:4). According to Greek authorities (see Baur, Danker, Arndt, Gingrich, Greek-English Lexicon, Chicago: University of Chicago, 2000, p. 29), the term “filthy” (aischrotes) entails “behavior that flouts social and moral standards, shamefulness, obscenity” while “shameful speech” (aischrologia – Col. 3:8) denotes “speech of a kind that is generally considered in poor taste, obscene speech, dirty talk.”

            “Lascivious” speech (cf. 2 Pet. 2:18) is that designed to conjure up
            illicit sexual images and ideas. “Corrupt” (morally unwholesome,
            harmful) communication (Eph. 4:29) is likewise condemned. “Foolish
            (literally moronic) talking” is speech that reveals a stupid mind, while
            “jesting” suggests off-color humor (cf. Eph. 5:4).

          • David Christie

            Can’t agree more. As a Christian, I am appalled at his lack of speaking the Truth in Love. While I am not allowed to judge where he will spend eternity, my judgement of his actions is that he needs to be rebuked in a major way. I pray Jesus is merciful with him.

          • Calcat36

            Point me to where your truth in love BS is in scripture? When Jesus raged on in the Temple because it was turned into a place of sin for coin?

          • David Christie

            Speaking the Truth in Love is a central theme throughout Scripture. And you are attacking people with swear words? Where in Scripture do you find that acceptable? I haven’t seen that anywhere. Swearing and name calling point to an unclean heart from what I have read in Scripture.

            We are speaking on a public forum discussing issues that happen to involve Biblical definitions of sin. What church are we in and who are you? Jesus is Lord, you are not. He had every right to do what he did. People are not going to change their hearts by getting beaten over the head by people who think they know it all. Speak the TRUTH and it will either soften their heart or not. That is their choice. You bullying them will cause them to harden their heart because you are not showing the love of Christ that is necessary for change to happen. Continue on your path if you wish, on Judgement Day, you will find out if you were right or not. Again, I pray Jesus is merciful with you.

      • Dawn Johnson Pence

        How about “You shall know them by their fruits.” We are called to be fruit inspectors and judge actions, BUT we are to judge them according to God’s Word so as to point out the sin so they can repent and return to righteousness, NOT as condemnation. HUGE difference there, realguyfaux.

  • Wag_a_muffin

    Re: Great POV until it is you who is judged offensive and penalized.
    Excellent point, Mr. Stanley

  • Calcat36

    Thanks Paul for standing on the right side of this issue. We need more people like you to stop the tyranny of the minority!

  • D-dubs

    “Great POV until it is you who is judged offensive and penalized.”

    That’s the thing with Leftists, they love everything in theory until they are impacted by it directly. i.e. Healthcare law, high taxes, guns, spying….the list goes on.

    • Tikaro

      A lot of us are leftists turned conservatives by exactly that means. Experience is the best teacher.

      • Calcat36

        You are a leftist?

  • Turd Burglestein

    Cage match between Nikki Sixx and Paul Stanley. Kiss kicks Motley Crue’s ass any day of the week,

    • Calcat36

      Sixx deletes self from cage match.

      • I_KICK_HIPPIES

        LOL

    • Bill Gryan

      LOL, I was so proud of my own avatar until I saw yours. I also appreciate the onomatopoeia present in your last name.

  • NRPax

    Thank you, Paul. Nice to see more celebrities acting like adults about this.

  • Ghenghis Greg

    Love that “maintain a culture” statement, what the left is really all about, control and maintaining us. You can always spot a tyrant, they don’t like criticism or opposing views.

  • http://baldilocks-talking.blogspot.com/ Juliette Akinyi Ochieng

    Mark is on the solid ground, constitutionally, and it’s wrong to criticize him for pointing to A&E’s rights.

    Paul is right about “until it is you who is judged offensive and penalized,” but Robertson hasn’t been “judged or penalized” by a court of law.

    We may not like how A&E chooses to exercise its rights, but the corporation still has them. And we can choose to exercise our rights (to boycott them) in response. Sorry, but, as much as I like Paul Stanley, he has his concepts mixed up.

    • Clete Torres

      Paul has been adjudged guilty and penalized by the media-driven court of public opinion. Equally bad.

      • Calcat36

        Or we can exercize our rights to support Phil and believe what he said was a truth that sends the 2% of American homosexuals into a complete tizzy. It is funny that these tools like Juliette believe that GLADD speaks for all homosexuals. Many do not share their pressurized attack on a Christian for bearing the faith. Somehow that gets overlooked.

        • Clete Torres

          Well done you.

        • Republicanvet

          If you worked with 2 people, one a devout Christian and another who is gay, and you told the Christian you did not want to attend a Christmas service with them because you are non religious, then you told the gay person you did not want to attend their pride parade because you disagree with that life style, which personal belief do you think would get you bounced out the door first?

          • Calcat36

            gay? You mean homosexual, right? And do I really need to answer that question? The oppressive rainbow of freedom would try to take a giant dump in my mouth and pee in my eyes, out of tolerance and diversity!

        • Michelle ✓classified

          Great comment and very true. GLADD is turning out to be the Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson for gay people – overreaction, created butt hurt, no common sense or critical thinking.

          I’d like to show an example of a gay person who doesn’t share the attacks on Christians. Had a discussion yesterday on my FB about Christmas being being turned into anything other than the celebration of Christ’s birthday. And here are some comments left by a close friend of mine who is gay, is a Liberal and not a Christian:

          “I will defend anyone’s religious freedom. It’s really important stuff.”

          “Trying to tell someone they don’t have the right beliefs: HELL NO. What could be more arrogant than telling others that you know what they should or should not believe?”

          • Calcat36

            Thank you Michelle. Good to see your comment here. Most proudly, your support. I fought for the rights of all Americans regardless of affiliations. What I see here, is opposite everything that I fought for.

            If a homosexual, liberal, non-Christian can stand up for me and my beliefs, it makes having worn the Marine Uniform well worth it. Please, tell your friends that I bid them a Merry Christmas, a Happy New Year, and most of all, Semper Fidelis.

          • Michelle ✓classified

            He’s a damn good guy, as are most of my gay friends – they live as Americans first and foremost and speak up for ALL our rights, not just theirs. With the exception of Westboro Baptist Cult, my gay friends defend religious freedom and its expression. They even know that I don’t like extreme Liberals for the most part (the batsh*t crazy ones), and they all know I voted for Bush, McCain and Romney…and they don’t judge me on that, they respect my freedom of choice and love me wholeheartedly regardless of our differences.

            Would love to see the rest of society show more of that.

            And thank you for your service to our country – so many of us are deeply grateful.

          • Calcat36

            So you do not bash them for voting for….
            Did you know that I have officially been hired by your LLC? It is in a post her somewhere. Michelle and Co. Since you and I see eye to eye! ;-0)

          • Michelle ✓classified

            lol no, I don’t bash my friends, but we do have spirited debates, all of them friendly. They even tolerate my occasion “Told ya so” when yet another lie from Barry is exposed. Quite a number of them are less than impressed with The One now.

            I have an LLC? Is that a joke from a post? I missed it.

          • Calcat36

            Yes madame. I have been knighted in Michelle and Co. LLC. It appears as though even ardent liberals are saying thanks, but no thanks to the ME-ssiah! The young guns he counted on to pay for the blue haired, are not impressed with the professor of internet technology! They give it two seconds per connection and than NEVER go back!

    • Ghenghis Greg

      So we can only have freedom if we quit our jobs? That corporations get to determine what is acceptable or not? GLAAD pressured A& E and they wanted to punish Phil for his views and wanted him removed. It’s the left that is bullying corporations and businesses to fire people they find offensive. They are the puppet masters. Losing your job and getting fired is just as bad as going to jail.

      • http://baldilocks-talking.blogspot.com/ Juliette Akinyi Ochieng

        You have freedom with or without quitting your job; you don’t have freedom from consequences of entering into a contract with another person or corporation. That’s what employment is, a contract.

        A corporation is not legally compelled to give you a job and you are not legally compelled to work for any company. When a corporation employs an individual, the two entities *voluntarily* enter into a contract together.

        Having lost a number of jobs and having spent a day in jail, I can dispute the notion that the former is just as bad as the latter. And I’m sure that Phil Robertson, have lost his job at A&E, is not feeling the least bit incarcerated.

        • Republicanvet

          Would you say GLAAD could be interfering in a contract between A&E and Phil?

          Or A&E and sponsors of the show?

          • http://baldilocks-talking.blogspot.com/ Juliette Akinyi Ochieng

            Not unless there was some payola involved, which is likely.

          • Republicanvet

            Are you seriously going to naively suggest A&E did not ignore any contract they may have had as soon as they were contacted by GLAAD?

            What other reason could there be since A&E knew of Phil’s beliefs having previously asked him to curtail them and had a representative present when he did the GQ interview a few months ago.

            The ONLY thing that changed is that GLAAD finally heard of the article.

            They also have zero problem continuing to make money by airing the show. If they truly believed something was wrong or illegal, they would have killed the entire show.

          • http://baldilocks-talking.blogspot.com/ Juliette Akinyi Ochieng

            I suggested no such thing. You asked me a question about GLAAD. I answered it. You didn’t ask me whether I thought A&E ignored its contract with the Robertsons. Me thinks, you’re looking for reasons to disagree with me.

            As for A&E’s motives (which you didn’t ask me about either), I do think they were looking for a reason to get rid of the Robertsons. Motive: hatred of Christianity.

          • Ghenghis Greg

            have to give JAO points here. Misunderstood her at first, took awhile to boil down the issue but. She nails it with the last statement.

          • http://baldilocks-talking.blogspot.com/ Juliette Akinyi Ochieng

            Thank you!

        • Calcat36

          Except that A&E and Phil entered into a mutually binding CONTRACT. We do not yet know those details. Where were you on Bashir and that turd Baldwin? They were rebuked for their liberally rabid speech, but no one called for them to be fired.

          • http://baldilocks-talking.blogspot.com/ Juliette Akinyi Ochieng

            Excuse me. I don’t have to explain where I was or wasn’t on anybody. I’ve been doing this a long time.

          • Calcat36

            Excuse ME, but you are running your keyboard now, bearing false witness, since you are not privy to all of the contractual details. You poke Phil in the eye because he is wealthy and can afford to weather the homosexual sh*t storm? To the point that that fact makes you angry?

            How mighty righteous of yourself to compare yourself and your life to his.

            What you type, under freedom of speech, will have consequences HERE. You may want to remind yourself of that!

          • http://baldilocks-talking.blogspot.com/ Juliette Akinyi Ochieng

            Bearing false witness? You don’t even know what *that* means.

            “How mighty righteous of yourself to compare yourself and your life to his.”

            How does my comparing my life to another human being make me “mighty and righteous?”

            I like Mr. Robertson very much, but the only human who can offer righteousness is Jesus the Christ.

            And how have I poked Phil Robertson in the eye? I’m not the one who said losing a job is as bad as going jail?

            You’re the liar, sir. You impute the voices in your head to me. You might want to consider where those voices originate.

          • Calcat36

            Do you know the terms of the contract?

            You comparing your life to Phil’s is sheer stupidity. “Having lost a number of jobs and having spent a day in jail, I can
            dispute the notion that the former is just as bad as the latter. And I’m sure that Phil Robertson, have lost his job at A&E, is not feeling the least bit incarcerated.”

            So you were in jail. Who cares? What bearing does that nugget have on the thread? That is how you poke.

          • http://baldilocks-talking.blogspot.com/ Juliette Akinyi Ochieng

            You’re the one who brought up jail. Don’t you even remember your own words?

        • badbadlibs

          Except you’re leaving out the part that A&E knew exactly how Phil Robertson believed concerning this particular issue.
          They were present during the GQ interview that took place 3 MONTHS ago.
          I’m hoping the Robertson’s attorney is spending his Christmas holiday, in part, getting a case ready.
          The Robertson’s will be owning more then just the successful Duck Commander business.

        • Ghenghis Greg

          You miss the concept by a mile. If we utter a word of contempt to the liberal left, they will find out what companies we work for and pressure them to have us fired. That is oppression. Quit looking at freedom through a straw.

          • http://baldilocks-talking.blogspot.com/ Juliette Akinyi Ochieng

            So create your own job and don’t operate from fear. Mr. Robertson did that.

            It’s you who keeps moving the goal posts, sir. I was originally talking about the particulars in the DD/A&E situation and you keep adding “what ifs.” Bottom line: A&E has the constitutional right to do what it did, and we, the people, have a constitutional right to boycott them and their sponsors,

          • David Mackey

            Create your own job and people won’t tell You how to think? Like the cake maker and photographer who were forced to go against their religious beliefs by servicing gay weddings?

          • Calcat36

            BOOM! +10!

          • http://baldilocks-talking.blogspot.com/ Juliette Akinyi Ochieng

            So keep operating in fear. Your choice.

          • Calcat36

            Said the one who was once incarcerated, right? You went to jail for a criminal offense. So far free speech is no crime, and you will fail to make it so. So, you are correct, Phil should not FEEL incarcerated, for he did nothing wrong, unlike YOU.

          • http://baldilocks-talking.blogspot.com/ Juliette Akinyi Ochieng

            Didn’t say that I was incarcerated. Said I spent a day in jail. My crime: carrying a loaded firearm in public (hey, it’s California). It was a first offense, so I did community service.

            Feelings have nothing to do with this…except your fear.

          • Calcat36

            You keep typing fear. If you are not allowed open carry, and you chose to do so, you are an idiot. Being in jail, and equating that to Phil is stupidity on its face.

            Fear? Best you back off of that, unless you are a retired Marine as well. I am concerned that what I fought for is being usurped by a left wing nut radical agenda who follows Nikita Kruschev more than our Constitution.

            We will take America without firing a shot…….We will BURY YOU! We can’t expect the American People to jump from Capitalism to Communism, but we can assist their elected leaders in giving them small doses of Socialism, until they awaken one day to find that they have Communism. We do not have to invade the United States, we will destroy you from within.

            (From an address to Western Ambassadors at the Polish embassy in Moscow on November 18, 1956.)

          • http://baldilocks-talking.blogspot.com/ Juliette Akinyi Ochieng

            “You keep typing fear. If you are not allowed open carry, and you chose
            to do so, you are an idiot.”

            I exercised my constitutional rights without fear and suffered the consequences. If you don’t get that, then it is you that has the intellectual disability.

            “Being in jail, and equating that to Phil is
            stupidity on its face.”

            Since you are the one who did that in the beginning of this “conversation,” I commend you for acknowledging your disabilities. /s

            Nice circular firing squad you’ve started.

          • Calcat36

            Nice attempt at deflection. It is all you have now. YOU typed that YOU were in JAIL, not me. How would I know that, asshat?

            “You have freedom with or without quitting your job; you don’t have freedom from consequences of entering into a contract with another person or corporation. That’s what employment is, a contract.

            A corporation is not legally compelled to give you a job and you are not legally compelled to work for any company. When a corporation employs an individual, the two entities *voluntarily* enter into a contract together.

            Having lost a number of jobs and having spent a day in jail, I can dispute the notion that the former is just as bad as the latter. And I’m sure that Phil Robertson, have lost his job at A&E, is not feeling the least bit incarcerated.”

          • http://baldilocks-talking.blogspot.com/ Juliette Akinyi Ochieng

            “Asshat”

            Way to argue your points! /s

          • Calcat36

            If the name fits, asshat. You should FEEL free to pull yours out now.

          • http://baldilocks-talking.blogspot.com/ Juliette Akinyi Ochieng

            Keep Sowing that Discord!

          • Bill Gryan

            That’s all this guy has. No substance. I bet he describes himself as “Christian” too.

          • Ghenghis Greg

            Calcat man take it easy on her. She isn’t a liberal because she hasn’t resorted to calling people 5th grade names.

          • Calcat36

            It uses 5th grade education to make an incoherent point.

          • http://baldilocks-talking.blogspot.com/ Juliette Akinyi Ochieng

            Good point. So are you going to shut up in fear over financial threats? (Rhetorical question). I’m not.

          • Ghenghis Greg

            I own a company that sells military collectibles and hard to find antiques. I made that jump a long time ago. So now I don’t have to sit through HR brain washing presentations on gay rights.

          • http://baldilocks-talking.blogspot.com/ Juliette Akinyi Ochieng

            Excellent and same here: novelist.

          • Ghenghis Greg

            I think we all wrote a novel or two since this story broke.

    • Republicanvet

      Then how does that square with Phil’s rights to freely exercise his religion and discriminating against that expression by an employer?

      You know, anti-discrimination laws that apply to more than what sexual orientation someone might be today?

      The Constitution has been so bastardized over the years because so many special interests want to read into it what they want, while ignoring the plain language it contains.

      • Calcat36

        BOOM! +10.

        • http://baldilocks-talking.blogspot.com/ Juliette Akinyi Ochieng

          Could you tell me what the boom is about?

          • Calcat36

            If I have to explain it to you, it is better off that you stay ignorant.

          • http://baldilocks-talking.blogspot.com/ Juliette Akinyi Ochieng

            The smokescreen–calling me ignorant–isn’t working. Don’t be ashamed of admitting that you are unable to explain why you like the other individual’s comment, which I have responded to also, by the way. I did by explaining my thinking to the person, not by imputing bad faith.

          • Ghenghis Greg

            So if an employer sees a sticker on your car that they don’t like or you write a letter to an editor, or you support a political cause. The corporations have a right to fire you; just because you work there? Last time I checked it was illegal to ask political questions at an interview. I support freedom and all comments, however; you obviously want to misinterpret the laws and the Constitution, and persecute by corporate proxy.

          • http://baldilocks-talking.blogspot.com/ Juliette Akinyi Ochieng

            Not if those things aren’t a part of the employment contract.

          • Ghenghis Greg

            I am not demanding that anyone get fired, even those libtards on MSNBC, they can stay and spout all the nonsense they want. It’s about common folk that lose their jobs not rich entertainers. May be if the left would cease fire on our people we would cease fire on their people. Wow an open and free society where views are expressed without punishment, what a concept!

          • Ghenghis Greg

            We are arguing two different points. It wasn’t a simple as he violated a contract, boom he got fired. It was the nefarious leveraging of GLAAD and other leftist operatives that has upset the Conservatives. Of course a number of sponsors and even Cracker Barrel has retreated form towing the PC line. Which is good news and I hope translates into political will.

          • http://baldilocks-talking.blogspot.com/ Juliette Akinyi Ochieng

            On this we agree.

          • http://baldilocks-talking.blogspot.com/ Juliette Akinyi Ochieng

            How am I persecuting anyone? By disagreeing? By arguing my points? What the heck are you talking about?

            And someone here call *me* a Leftist?

          • Ghenghis Greg

            I never called you a leftist, I just don’t support the idea that employers can fire people over religious views on homosexuals. I see you are retired Air Force, so thank you for serving the country.

          • http://baldilocks-talking.blogspot.com/ Juliette Akinyi Ochieng

            Did I say you did?

          • Ghenghis Greg

            Really no, but I didn’t think that either. Still I have to disagree with you, corporations may have some rights to fire people but, certainly not as hit men for the gay mafia.

          • http://baldilocks-talking.blogspot.com/ Juliette Akinyi Ochieng

            Fair enough.

          • Guest

            News Flash!!! This just in… Some, who will remain nameless, claim to have been terminated on trumped up charges. Does this ever happen? Does EEOC get involved in such cases??? Film at 10:00… 😉

      • http://baldilocks-talking.blogspot.com/ Juliette Akinyi Ochieng

        It may have been “bastardized” but the objective words and concept remain, easily read and easily explained in the Federalist Papers.

        The relevant passage to this situation is, of course, the First Amendment, which restrains GOVERNMENT, from hindering speech, religion, press, etc.

        A private employer, like A&E, is by definition not the government.

        • badbadlibs

          You’re now forgetting the law that says based on “RELIGOUS” beliefs one can not be discriminated.
          Face it, your leftist ideology sucks.

          • http://baldilocks-talking.blogspot.com/ Juliette Akinyi Ochieng

            Face it, you’re just another person who, unable to expand and explain what you believe, would rather label a person. I’ve talking about conservative ideology for a long time, sweetheart.

            Now put away your preconceived notions and let’s discuss this like adults.

          • Calcat36

            We are not talking. Pay attention to details. We happen to be typing, right?

          • badbadlibs

            No pun intended, but if it quacks and walks like a duck….howdy, duck.

          • Calcat36

            Speaking of quackers, where is Joe?

          • http://baldilocks-talking.blogspot.com/ Juliette Akinyi Ochieng

            Look here, boys. I have been blogging–using my real name–about being a conservative since 2003 at a blog called ‘baldilocks.’ It has a tiny bit of repute. You do know how to use a search engine, don’t you?

            And I find it hilarious that a pair of characters who are too cowardly to use their real names want to cast aspersions on anyone’s ideological purity.

            God hates cowards.

          • badbadlibs

            And yet you are still unable to refute the facts.
            Even with your bravery and assurance of who God hates.
            Nice job, Juliette Akinyi Ocheing.
            But, not really.

          • http://baldilocks-talking.blogspot.com/ Juliette Akinyi Ochieng

            I’ve repeatedly refuted your assertions. You just don’t like the *fact* that rights apply to those you don’t like. Who’s the Leftist again?

          • badbadlibs

            You haven’t refuted anything!
            You have not once addressed the religious discrimination element, nor the fact that A&E has always known Mr, Robertson’s affiliations and beliefs and A&E was present during the GQ Q&A done THREE MONTHS AGO!
            Stay in your fantasy world, just don’t hurt anyone.

          • http://baldilocks-talking.blogspot.com/ Juliette Akinyi Ochieng

            That wasn’t what originally addressed. None of those things–those truths–has anything to do with whether A&E has the *right* to fire Mr. Robertson or not. You and the other person keep moving the goalposts as to the original point so that you can pretend to be right and assert the *pride* of that.

          • badbadlibs

            Like I said, stay in your fantasy world, but do try and not hurt anyone.
            Ignorance can be a dangerous thing.

          • http://baldilocks-talking.blogspot.com/ Juliette Akinyi Ochieng

            What fantasy are you talking about?

            Sowing discord in order to pretend to be right is even more dangerous.

          • badbadlibs

            You’re the one sowing discord, but then you’re so full of pride it would be hard for you to see that while it’s well known God hates people who post like you do.
            Good grief, woman, go celebrate the day, give a puppy a hug, visit the sick, do something constructive.

          • http://baldilocks-talking.blogspot.com/ Juliette Akinyi Ochieng

            I *am* doing something constructive: pointing out that not everyone who calls themselves a conservative has really thought conservative concepts through and applied them. Don’t worry. As I mentioned before, this isn’t my first rodeo.

            Posting standards are in the the Bible? (Okay, just kidding. I know what you mean.) Aside from the fact that you’re here too, I appreciate that you want me to have a good Christmas Eve and I hope that for you as well.

            I want to ask a question and I’m hoping you will answer it in good faith. What is the overarching problem you have with what I’m saying?

          • badbadlibs

            You’re defending A&E’s right to fire Phil Robertson, when the facts are not even entirely known.
            Have you seen the contract? And don’t you find it just a little suspicious that A&E has always known about the Robertson’s views on homosexuality and they are evangelical Christians. They fired him on grounds that don’t exist.
            And if America does not get back to it’s roots we’re all doomed. So, what happens to Phil Robertson just makes him one of the first to pay a price for exercising his first amendment rights. If A&E and worse yet, GLADD succeeds in their smear campaign then just get in line, unless you will obey their PC rules.
            Have a Merry Christmas, indeed.

          • http://baldilocks-talking.blogspot.com/ Juliette Akinyi Ochieng

            We–you, me and all others not privy to the contract–are all going by what we know. I do suspect that A&E looked for reasons to get rid of a show that portrayed a white, Southern, Christian, in-tact family in a positive light. They intended to make a mockery of the family, but the opposite happened. The company’s rights in the matter, however, remain factual. These are separate issues. We can acknowledge the company’s rights and still root for its failure and the ultimate triumph of the Robertsons and their (our) values.

            I agree with your third paragraph, but I think GLAAD has overplayed its hand. Our task as citizens who subscribe to Judeo-Christian values is to support Phil Robertson and *also* those who are less likely to land on their feet when something like this is perpetrated. We can’t do that if we don’t acknowledge the rights of our adversaries.

            Merry Christmas, and God bless.

          • badbadlibs

            I suppose that’s what the courts are for. I don’t see that A&E has grounds to fire Mr. Robertson.
            The left is still very busy at trying to smear this man and his family and they will be relentless.
            If your premise is correct, and A&E cooked up a way to get rid of him, it will be found out and then they can kiss good-bye their network.
            Hope you had a merry Christmas. Take care.

          • http://baldilocks-talking.blogspot.com/ Juliette Akinyi Ochieng

            You too!

          • Calcat36

            Then God hates the Founding Fathers, right IDIOT? Or do you lack sufficient history lessons? When writing the Federalist Papers, they [Founding Fathers] used pseudonyms. My screen name is a pseudonym known only to those that know who I am. Unlike YOU, I am not seeking any fame attached to my name. As the founding fathers, I seek truth while undercover from you and all of your leftist liberal socialists that seek to tar and feather.

            Good point, ignorant one.

        • Republicanvet

          A&E is thankfully not the government, but special groups like GLAAD have pushed the government to pass certain laws to give them protection at the expense of protection of others.

          • http://baldilocks-talking.blogspot.com/ Juliette Akinyi Ochieng

            Acknowledged.

          • Republicanvet

            In case I neglect to do it later, thanks for the debate.

          • http://baldilocks-talking.blogspot.com/ Juliette Akinyi Ochieng

            And to you! Merry Christmas.

    • Bill Gryan

      I begrudgingly agree with you. I’ve read that these reality stars usually sign a “morals” clause in their contract that allows the network to terminate them for expressing just about any belief. A&E is entitled to its free speech, as is Mr. Robertson.

      We conservatives cannot forget that it is we who unapologetically support free speech, regardless of whether we agree with the message. It’s the leftists who like to ban anything they disagree with as “hate speech”. Let’s not stoop to their level. We’re the good guys, not Orwellian fascist creeps like them.

      • http://baldilocks-talking.blogspot.com/ Juliette Akinyi Ochieng

        Thank you. I was beginning to lose hope.

      • Calcat36

        What do you know about this case? NOTHING. Free speech is one thing, and youare entitled to your own opinion, not your own facts.

        • Bill Gryan

          “What do you know about this case?” is not a valid rebuttal.

          Robinson is entitled to his own opinion, and no one’s taken it away from him. The owner of the soapbox he was standing on just took the soapbox away, which he was entitled to do. Robertson can find another soapbox.

          If anything, the whole media buzz around this thing has allowed Robertson’s opinion to be heard by even more people than it ordinarily would, so there is nothing to complain about.

          • Calcat36

            Types YOU! And your stupid assumptions of what you read about OTHER reality stars! So gas bag, what do you know about this particular CONTRACT?

            Your response is pitiful and invalid.

          • Bill Gryan

            “blah blah blah stupid blah blah what do you know blah blah pitiful”

            Thanks for the thoughtful response.

          • Calcat36

            Excellent liberal idiot reply! In other words, you know exactly NOTHING about the contract, right?

          • Bill Gryan

            I’m not liberal. I’ve voted straight republican my whole life, starting with Reagan in ’84.

            I don’t know what the contract contained. But let’s be honest here: whether or not the contract contains the clause, you’re still going to feel that Robertson was wronged by A&E. So why the hell are we talking about whether I know what’s in the contract?

            Contribute something meaningful to this discussion. Not name-calling, or ad hominem crap. Conservatives are better than that. Man up. Tell me why Robertson was wronged. Tell me in plain, clear English.

          • Calcat36

            Says you. Now you admit that you typed out of your arse. I do not FEEL as liberals like you do. I happen to read and form opinions, while you wait for the next talking point from your dear leader.

            GLAAD wronged Robertson for attempting to silence his opinion and free speech. Man up Are you a homosexual? You are the one that needs to get some facts straight before you run your fingers on the keyboard.

            I have been typing in clear English. You have been typing jibberish.

          • Bill Gryan

            LOL, it’s spelled “gibberish”.

            Again, if you’re not capable of having a reasoned discussion about this, then just bow out.

            GLAAD contacted a network to pressure them to fire someone. This happens every day, with pressure coming from all sides. The owners of the network are entitled to make hiring and firing decisions as they see fit, based on the feedback they get from viewers and special interest groups. Period.

          • http://proteinwisdom.com darleenclick

            Bill, how do you feel about the movie studios in the 1950’s maintaining a blacklist of communist actors & writers? As non-government institutions, they had every *right* to do so. However, “right” =/= moral, ethical or advisable.

            And do remember that the blacklist was separate from the HUAC hearings.

            Currently, there is a sort-of informal Hollywood blacklist against conservatives in all manner of jobs within The Industry. Agree or disagree?

          • Bill Gryan

            I agree there is an unwritten blacklist of conservatives among the Hollywood hypocrites who ostensibly “celebrate diversity.” But also I know that a Christian movie studio would not hire Bill Maher. And let’s face it, no movie studio would hire an actor who quoted from Mein Kampf. I think all of the above are within their rights.

          • http://proteinwisdom.com darleenclick

            That doesn’t answer my question. I’m not talking about “rights” but about what makes for a good and civil society that honors the spirit of the First Amendment along with the rights.

            If we cannot agree to disagree and then let live but instead pursue a scorched-earth policy against people – ruin their lives and livelihoods – for mere disagreement, then the 1A is de facto worthless.

            And I certainly hope you’re not equating conservatives with Mein Kampf!!

          • Bill Gryan

            I’m not equating conservatives with Hitler. I have voted republican in every election, starting with Reagan.

            I think that allowing a private broadcaster to hire and fire people that espouse their own principles is part and parcel of the First Amendment. I don’t understand how it’s relevant whether I think it’s good and civil. Everyone has different ideas about what is good and civil and we’re discussing what laws should be implemented to enforce principles that we all agree on.

            Now you can answer some questions:

            Do you deny the right of a Christian network to fire a commentator who publicly comes out of the closet? Was public television, who receives taxpayer dollars, justified in firing Jeff Smith (The Frugal Gourmet), even though he never admitted any wrongdoing?

          • Guest

            More pure and straightforward AD HOMINEM BULL HOCKEY. YOUR reply would be the one that is pitiful and invalid, CatCat36. Do you have mirrors in your house?

          • Republicanvet

            Again, the problem is the double standard. A&E had no problem with that soapbox…up until GLAAD became aware of the interview and contacted them.

          • Bill Gryan

            How is it even relevant whether GLAAD contacted them? A&E is contacted by thousands of parties every day. They’re still entitled to hire and fire as they see fit. GLAAD can pressure A&E, you and I can pressure A&E. If you don’t like A&E, don’t watch anymore.

            Do you want to give up that right for yourself? I mean, don’t you want the ability to fire your garage mechanic if you find out that he’s expressed a view that Christians are misguided sinners? Personally, I’d like to keep that right, and find a new mechanic.

          • Republicanvet

            It becomes relevant when a militant organization forces another organization to take action against a third party because the militant group disagrees with the third party….something A&E did not previously disagree with…and still does not disagree with as evidenced by their continuing to air the show.

            I agree anyone can pressure A&E, but my contacting them will not have the same affect as what A&E perceives will be brought to bear by GLAAD.

          • Bill Gryan

            So, in short, it would be wrong for you to fire your mechanic based on his anti-Christian words. I respectfully disagree.

            You sound like a proponent of The Fairness Doctrine. If, like GLAAD, Rush Limbaugh has too much influence, we need to provide an equal platform for less influential people, right? Is that really what you want? It’s not how I imagine free speech working.

          • Republicanvet

            I cannot fathom how you would think that based on the comments I have made here.

          • Bill Gryan

            No more cowardice. Time to answer the question (third request):

            Is it wrong for you to fire your mechanic?

            Would it be wrong for a Christian network to fire a broadcaster who came out of the closet?

          • H50 ✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Simple, it is not wrong to fire your mechanic if your mechanic produces a crappy work product.
            It is wrong to fire your mechanic if during the job you discover that your mechanic is Mormon and because you don’t like what you think Mormons stand for, you fire him because he Mormon.

          • Bill Gryan

            But what about the other question: Can a Christian network fire a broadcaster who comes out as gay?

          • H50 ✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            That one is much harder. Not to cop out, but I would say it depends. Your talking about the face off between religious beliefs vs. lifestyle choices. Not so cut and dry.
            Did the network know about the broadcaster being gay beforehand? Do they have a policy against it? Did the broadcaster misrepresent themselves? Which Christian group (Many are gay inclusive)
            Lots of variables there. Without a full fact pattern, I cant make a reasonable assessment.

          • Calcat36

            Hana, it would depend, as it does here, on the CONTRACT to which this jerk has no knowledge of the clauses in it.

          • Bill Gryan

            bawk bawk? Any answer yet?

          • H50 ✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            That would certainly be a consideration in the fact pattern Cal

          • Calcat36

            It insults veterans by calling us cowards while balking at the request for his service details. Heads up Hana.

          • H50 ✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Yea Ive noticed that the thread has gotten trashed up with a lot of crap.

          • Calcat36

            See right up there? A veteran would NEVER call another a COWARD.

          • Bill Gryan

            ^^ I see a coward right up there.

          • Calcat36

            Semper Fidelis.

          • Bill Gryan

            Semper Cowardis in your case.

          • Bill Gryan

            You answer the question about the Christian broadcaster, Coward, and I’ll tell you about my service record.

          • Bill Gryan

            Let’s not evade. They obviously have a policy against it because they’re Christian. They didn’t know beforehand or they wouldn’t have hired him.

            But under what conditions are you saying it would be okay for them to fire him?

          • Calcat36

            There is your personal attack, Hana

          • Bill Gryan

            Any answer for me yet, coward?

          • Calcat36

            Community agitator.

          • H50 ✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Didn’t take long at all. You have a Merry Christmas Cal.

          • Calcat36

            You too dear, minus the zero hold ups! I do feel for you! Marthas Vinyard is MUCH SMALLER…

          • H50 ✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Sorry but you just blew your argument with your bigotry of; “They obviously have a policy against it because they’re Christian” I know many churches and faith based organizations that are inclusive and could not give a rodents behind about someones orientation.
            The fact that your argument is based on your belief that all Christians automatically discriminate against gays, makes anything that comes after suspect.
            Thats not evasion, thats the facts jack.

          • Bill Gryan

            Then let’s say it’s a fundamentalist Christian network. You know, the kind of fundamentalists who believe homosexuality is wrong. You agree that there are some like that, right?

            Do they have the right to fire the broadcaster who comes out of the closet?

          • n4cerinc

            Nope.

          • liberalssuck

            It depends, did he do anything wrong other then coming out of the closet. I know as a Mormon we do not tell folks they can not be Mormon, we try to encourage them to change but ultimately God is the one to judge then not us. So if they did just because he was gay I would probably have some heart burn over it. My opinion only!!
            That seriously is the difference between us and non conservatives. Read liberals. We truly believe in free choice. as god gave that to us.

          • Republicanvet

            So now I’m a coward?

          • Bill Gryan

            4th request: Answer the question about the Christian network.

          • Republicanvet

            I don’t give a [email protected] how many times you state your request…particularly since you changed your original question which I first believed was rhetorical.

            I don’t believe any of my comments to you were harsh, yet I’m a coward?

            …a couple letters for you…F & U.

          • Calcat36

            Semper Fi, Sir.

          • Bill Gryan

            dont you mean “bawk you”? As in “bawk bawk, I got cornered and I recognized my own self-contradiction, so I’m afraid to answer the question”?

            Yeah, I heard you loud and clear.

          • Calcat36

            COWARD VETERAN!

          • Calcat36

            Yes.

          • Calcat36

            Yeah you veteran COWARD! Answer the MAN!

          • n4cerinc

            You stated below: “don’t you want the ability to fire your garage mechanic if you find out that he’s expressed a view that Christians are misguided sinners?”

            So, if your employer (owner of the soap box you are standing on) heard you say something about your beliefs that they do not agree with and chose to take that soapbox away (fire you), you would walk away, no protest, since it’s their right?

          • Bill Gryan

            I probably would walk away without protest. I wouldn’t make a good victim to begin with, and I lean libertarian. I don’t see employment as some kind of sacred right.

            I admit it’s a grey area. But if I appeared on television for my employer and was, in a sense, conveying views on his behalf, it seems justified for him to fire me. I have a feeling that Robertson even signed a contract giving A&E that right.

            Just so I understand, you would not feel justified firing your mechanic?

          • n4cerinc

            I would not fire my mechanic for having views different than mine, no. Not unless those views interferes with his performance. Now I do appreciate what you are saying about having the right to do so. But as you stated, it is a gray area.

            I am not saying A&E doesn’t have the right, but just like Cracker Barrel, as businesses they can make whatever decision they feel is best for their brand, and consumers are just as free to not have to support those decisions.

    • n4cerinc

      So you’re saying Corporations are incapable of being wrong?

      • Calcat36

        And that corporations are PEOPLE? Uh oh….

        • n4cerinc

          LOL, this conversation may evolve to that point.

          • Calcat36

            It is inevitable with the liberal progs on this site.

    • H50 ✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

      Some folks seem to believe that censorship begins and ends with the government. I disagree, while government is often the source of unwarranted censorship, it is certainly not the only source of censorship.

      It is absolutely and issue of free speech, not necessarily because of the 1st amendment and how it curtails government from impeding free speech, but mostly about how an employer can chill free speech by punishing individuals (by reducing or taking their lively hood) when pushing a political agenda.

      If anything, A&E clearly violated EEOC laws pertaining to religious persecution by their actions and for that I hope the DD family sues the crud out of A&E, they will win.

      By trying to re-frame the argument as being invalid because the government isn’t directly involved in this debacle, you are ignoring the connection between corporate competitive bidding for government largess, the injection of politics into the workplace and the potentially disastrous results for the employee who suddenly finds him/herself on the wrong side of current PC politics.

      A&E knew what they were getting into when they hired the DD family. The biggest failure of A&E was the inability to understand why DD had such a big following and that the backlash against the network was because people are sick to death of the PC crowd. It was the straw that broke the camels back on any number of fronts and the anger is sustained. Folks are angry no matter how much they are poo-pooed because it wasn’t technically censorship by the government. Its censorship period and it effected someones income/reputation. Anyone of us can be next, for what ever PC cause of the moment, and that pisses us off.

      • Calcat36

        Amen Hana!

      • http://baldilocks-talking.blogspot.com/ Juliette Akinyi Ochieng

        I appreciate the explanation.

        And, I have written on those things which you mention–the fear of being called racist or sexist or “homophobic” and how it can affect one’s finances. (I have a friend who was driven into bankruptcy by being labelled a “homophobe.” He worked for the federal government.)

        However, pointing out the existence of A&E’s rights isn’t re-framing any argument you’re putting forth. Those rights exist and shall not be infringed upon.

        The items which you list are things which must be reformed in *government* through voting…or through other means. By reforming *government* all of the PC items which come in to play with respect to employment, EEOC and government largess to corporations, etc. would cease to be factors. And, without those things, corporations like A&E would revert to pleasing their shareholders by making money the old fashioned way: by pleasing the individual consumer.They would do this because their main funding source would change.

        As you’ve pointed out, the consumer for A&E is no longer the viewer; it’s the government and the funds it’s dangling at A&E and others. That where the fight needs to begin (IMO), not with corporate rights. Change the “consumer” back to the indivual and corporate behavior changes. Yes, it’s tall order.

        Note: I’m “us.”

        Again, thanks for the good faith reply. Merry Christmas.

        • n4cerinc

          “The items which you list are things which must be reformed in *government* through voting…or through other means. By reforming *government* all of the PC items which come in to play with respect to employment, EEOC and government largess to corporations, etc. would cease to be factors. ”

          Not sure what “other means” is, but reforming those thing via voting is very unlikely, especially when both major political parties benefit from those things.

          • http://baldilocks-talking.blogspot.com/ Juliette Akinyi Ochieng

            “…reforming those thing via voting is very unlikely”

            Hence the *other means.*

          • n4cerinc

            For example?

          • http://baldilocks-talking.blogspot.com/ Juliette Akinyi Ochieng

            Nope. Not going there here.

        • H50 ✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

          Obviously we disagree, and that’s fine, but my point was that you are looking at the issue thru a series of disjointed narrow prisms, Im looking at the issue thru a larger scope.

          In the end, yes in the free market system, it is always the consumer who is the final arbitrator. That works and Im fine with that.

          What many folks fail to understand however, is that Conservatives thought they could sit on the sidelines and the “culture wars” would work them selves out.

          Now that we have progressive organized boycotts, corporate extortion if you will, and corporations are bowing to government/special interest groups, these demands are threatening individuals lively hoods, we realize that sitting on the sidelines is not an option. A bridge of awakening has been crossed if you will, and now the battle lines have been drawn. This will be a long and drawn out battle to be sure, because we let it go entirely too far.

          Im not a DD fan, nor am I a particularly religious person, but I can see where this totalitarian PC influence is going. I intend to fight it.

          You’re welcome and a Merry Christmas to you and yours as well.

          • Calcat36

            BOOM! +10.

          • http://baldilocks-talking.blogspot.com/ Juliette Akinyi Ochieng

            Cut off the head of the snake which you have described and it will die. Not narrow at all! :)

          • H50 ✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Not necessarily, the body of the snake can wiggle for a good long time after you cut off its head.
            I read somewhere, once society has adopted an ideal it takes about three generations to change that ideal.
            Never as simple as playing a game of musical chairs.

          • http://baldilocks-talking.blogspot.com/ Juliette Akinyi Ochieng

            Good points. As I said, it will be a tall order.

          • H50 ✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Seems we agree more than we disagree. Thanks for the convo.

    • Mike Rogers

      I would perhaps be inclined to agree with you but at the same time this A&E thing is happening, devout Christian bakers and photographers are being legally forced to participate (making cakes or photographing) in same sex weddings.

  • Doc Farmer ✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

    Paul Stanley is dodging the REAL question here…

    When the hell are they going to make “KISS Saves Santa”? I’ve been waiting since 1999…

  • Orpheus75

    GO PAUL!!

  • http://youhavetobethistalltogoonthisride.blogspot.com/ keyboard jockey

    Märk Löre @TheDaysofLoreFollow

    @PaulStanleyLive I get what you’re saying, Paul, but a business also has the right to maintain a culture that doesn’t condone speech that…

    @TheDaysofLore When exactly did butt sex become synonymous with American culture?

    American culture intentionally condones speech that offends moron. It’s why we have the 1st Amendment to protect unpopular speech. Poltically Correct Speech was coined by Uncle Joe as in Joseph Stalin. Which brings us all back to what Camille Paglia had to say about the Left’s behavior.

    ‘OPENLY GAY’ CAMILLE PAGLIA: ANTI-DUCK DYNASTY CRUSADE ‘UTTERLY FASCIST AND UTTERLY STALINIST’ PC CULTURE. Paul Stanley is in good company.

  • Steve__Jacobson

    @TheDaysofLore doesn’t seem to understand A & E knew the Robertson’s beliefs before they ever signed a contract much less filmed a foot of the show.

    • http://youhavetobethistalltogoonthisride.blogspot.com/ keyboard jockey

      A & E was intentionally trying to draw viewers from Phil Robertson’s demographic,and now the Left are whining because A & E was successful.

      Because the socialist leftist agenda trumps the free market in their world view.

  • http://baldilocks-talking.blogspot.com/ Juliette Akinyi Ochieng

    I see that Leftists are not the only ones prone to operating from emotion.

  • robert anthony

    “..is offensive to races and lifestyles of other employees.” There be part of the problem, they give lip-service to free speech but…

    a) it comes with a potential penalty.
    b) the left, seem to assume they are the ‘final word’ on what is offensive and therefore punishable. I don’t remember anointing them king in that regard. The ‘right’, or some who frown upon homosexuality, for example, are considered ‘offensive’..but…by who?…just the left, apparently. So they take it upon themselves to deem ‘free speech’ punishable despite a majority not finding the speech offensive. The left’s whole entire outlook is ‘subjective’…they are truly bigoted.
    c) only the left finds ‘offensive’ so painful, torturous, and intolerable. If mere words hurt them this much, the revolution oughta be a breeze.

  • NCRelite

    GLAAD made some calls and got Phil Robertson suspended. So this isn’t just A&E making the call all on their own. In fact GLAAD screens a lot of television shows before they even go live so they can censor what they want. Religious organizations don’t have that luxury

  • LegalizeShemp

    Simple Paul, the gay Mafia who are quite active and prominent in the entertainment industry, simply will not allow people to express moral or religious objections to homosexuality, that’s the new discrimination being practiced by the Left. It’s a career killer to do it.

    • Calcat36

      Gaystapo. FIFY.

      • liberalssuck

        Lmao, good one!!

  • LegalizeShemp

    These are the same liberals who said a high school teacher shouldn’t be fired for being a porn star, and also said a female lawyer shouldn’t be fired for working as a stripper at night. Those people were defended by the Left, but conservatives will not be tolerated in the workplace anymore.

  • Ntr

    This is how it always starts, with the criminalization of free speech, in every nation that leftists have polluted.

  • jaun456

    Go Paul.

  • Everett Payne

    The bottom line is; People should not be codemned, in any way for their beliefs. You don’t have to like their views. You do need to give them the same tolerance they should give you…

  • https://www.skinfullywicked.com/ Wicked Skin

    GLAAD has done more harm to their constituency than Robertson. Most Americans are at the point of not really caring about what type of sex people choose to have but aren’t really fans of being bullied or bullies. GLAAD, in this case is the bully.

  • H50 ✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

    Yep, he made some valid points the one I most agreed with was; “Don’t want to be penalized for your views you can’t penalize someone for theirs. That’s more offensive than their words.”
    Thats really the “tolerance’ bottom line right there.

    • John Thomas “Jack” Ward III

      Aloha, and Merry CHRISTmas Dittoes, Hana! Jawamax 8<{D}

  • jmansene

    If A & E choose to run DD their arguement becomes dubious If he has a moral clause that the network feels heh as violated, than stop the programming. Take a stand

  • Fan

    IOW, “free speech for me but not for thee.” Typical progs.

  • Spasmolytic

    I’m told liberals might protest Paul Stanley because of Love ‘Gun’.

    http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/ef/Love_gun_cover.jpg

    • John Thomas “Jack” Ward III

      SEEEEXXXXIIIISSSTTT! /Sarc XD LOL Jawamax 8<{D}

      • Calcat36

        Depends where the gun is HOLSTERED! In a woman, BAD. In a man, GOOD!

  • Fight for Freedom

    I grew up being a HUGE KISS fan from 1976 until about 2000…. Then I thought they were just being a parody of a coverband.

    I’m a huge fan of Paul and Gene.. they’ve been on both sides of being derided for being who they are and they “get it”.

  • Basset_Hound

    Never was too much of a KISS fan, but I’ve got a LOT of respect for Paul.

  • Expat61

    Well, A&E can keep Phil Robertson off Duck Dynasty if they want, but I don’t have to watch A&E. I wonder what channel Duck Dynasty will be moving to.

  • https://twitter.com/UnicornOfMayhem Hi This Is My Username

    I know far too much about Kiss, but Paul has this right.

  • beebop1952

    Mark, honey, offense is something TAKEN by the one who finds him/herself offended. It is about as childish as having your wittle feelings hurt. Words only have the meaning the reader/listener attributes to them …. grow up before you set the table to be on the receiving end of being silenced. Oh. And MERRY CHRISTMAS!

  • NY Gray-Jay

    Cracker Barrel quickly figured out who their customers are. DUCK DYNASTY is the new rebellion against the tyranny of political correctness: Christians are supposedly expected to cower in their basements and not voice their opinions in public. Well, we’re not taking it anymore.

    • Calcat36

      Quacker Barrel. FIFY!

  • Joel A. Edge

    “Great POV until it is you who is judged offensive and penalized.”
    Great response.

  • John Thomas “Jack” Ward III

    Paul, you’ve hit the nail right on the head! And @TheDaysOfLore, Unless its Libel/Slander or Causes an unnecessary panic, Phil can SAY WHATEVER HE WANTS! #FirstAmendmentForDummies The Constitution says NOTHING about what’s offensive and what’s not! Understaaaannndddd? Merry CHRISTmas to all, and to all a Good Night! Jawamax 8<{D}

  • Red Fred

    Paul Stanley, the voice of reason.

  • Andy Breitbart

    The A&E silencing is part of a pattern of discrimination against the Christian voice in America. Where in all of media is a true representation of the Christian life better depicted than on Duck Dynasty. Let Glee or Thirty Rock insert a so-called Christian and it will be nothing but marginalizing and hate of the character. The discrimination against Christianity is allowed in media. The A&E tried to contain the true picture of Christianity, couldn’t, and so they punish. Go Phil!

  • Charles P

    Too bad GLAAD does NOT HAVE THE GUTS TO DO ANYTHING OF VALUE!
    They ATTACK THE DECENT PEOPLE, and MESS THEIR PANTS AT THE REAL HOODLUMS OF THE WORLD!
    The SAME HOLDS TRUE FOR HOLLYWOOD COMPANIES!!!!!!!

  • Jerry G

    This is part of Paul’s passive/aggressive thing with Gene. A&E broadcast Gene’s reality show.

  • Jason Schlievert

    I grew up with Kiss, Aerosmith, Boston and so many more and to see kick ass guys standing up like this well, it ROCKS!!!

  • John Doe

    “Great POV until it is you who is judged offensive and penalized.”

    Haha, Check. Mate. The main problem here is these weren’t “natural” consequences. This was MAD GLADD, a “gay” gestapo gang, immediately calling your boss (A&E) and trying to get your ass penalized/punished/fired, etc.

    “I do not agree with what you have to say, but I’ll defend to the death your right to say it!! — No no no, wait a second, wait a sec, f–k that! F–k that! Instead, I’m gonna immediately lobby your employer to get your ass fired/blacklisted/blackballed/crushed/punished in some way, etc.!””

  • Dennis Matson

    WTG Paul! I’m surprised GLADD isn’t upset with the TV Show “Two And A Half Men” which can use language 10 times more abrupt than Phil”s words

  • Kevin Dougherty

    Absolutely correct-a-mundo Paul!! You nailed it !!

  • Todd Vining

    need a real president that would sure hell help“