When a politician gets in trouble for dancing on the grave of a military hero, one generally expects furious backpedaling to mitigate the damage. However, it appears that former Rep. Ron Paul is feeling liberated from such concerns now that he is out of Congress. The new and improved Paul is more callous than ever, with an extra helping of sanctimony and a healthy dollop of anti-military sentiment. Not content to merely blame the victim for his own murder, Paul responded to the uproar he caused by adding fuel to the fire. In a posting on Facebook which he personally signed, Paul blamed “unconstitutional and unnecessary wars” for Kyle’s murder and even went so far as to associate his political policies with Jesus Christ.

Paul FB Chris Kyle

Thankfully, he avoided giving wrongheaded psychiatric advice to veterans with PTSD.

There is a relevant nugget of policy worth noting in Paul’s post. As a presidential candidate, Paul always claimed to support robust national defense and a non-interventionist foreign policy. By contrast, this post indicates support for the practice of non-violence:

The old Ron Paul’s oddball ideas about foreign policy and national security were bad enough. If the new Paul is preaching  pacifism, it would elevate him to a new frontier of nuttiness.

It’s not the first time that Paul has mentioned non-violence, but it might be the first time he has suggested it as a central tenet of his political worldview.

  • Christian Heiens

    Today has been a disaster. Thanks for putting liberty back a bit Ron Paul. Now the GOP will be even more skeptical of libertarians in their party :(

    • http://extremesplash.wordpress.com/ Ben Bollman

      We are at about the same level as we have always been. The Tea Party is where it is at, not with lunatics like Ron Paul and Gary Johnson. Even Rand Paul knows this.

      • Christian Heiens

        But libertarian leaning conservatives like myself are always ignored and looked down upon in the GOP. Just because we’re social liberals does not mean we like the Democrats or want to rush to the polls for Hillary in 2016. The GOP should do a better job at embracing this faction, considering the vast majority of young Americans who are Republicans are also libertarian-oriented people. In essence, we are the future of the party and it’s disappointing when we get shunned away.

        • http://extremesplash.wordpress.com/ Ben Bollman

          But “embracing this faction” i.e. the socially liberal means trying to pander and abandon issues we consider very important and essential to the moral core of this country. We are not conservatives to get votes for our side, we are conservatives because that is what we believe. Trying to play both sides has cost us more elections than anything when we put up establishment nominees like Dole, McCain, and Romney, it has never worked for us. It only causes distrust between both parties because conservatives can’t count on them to be conservative and liberals can’t count on them to be liberal. Sticking to your guns and having a backbone about what you believe is what fires up the base and the only way for us to win elections.

          • Calcat36

            Well said, and I couldn’t agree more. It is time to purge the party of RINOs and those that feel the need to reach across the aisle. Scott Brown was such a moderate, and look what happened to him! He abandoned the TEA Party, voted with the dems, and then lost TEA Party support! When was the last time any leftist moderated to our side? NEVER. The go for the throat.

            They will now defend Menendez. If a republican or a conservative did such a thing, he would not be covered like Menendez.

          • http://extremesplash.wordpress.com/ Ben Bollman

            RINOs/moderates are basically conservatives that are afraid of how the media and the left will portray them. They have no spines so they fall for the compromise nonsense and we end up with more big government and big spending. But it is not entirely their fault either because the voting public is brainwashed into believing the same things so they keep voting for them. The RNC is learning the wrong things from the election and are listening to the morons on the other side so look for them to continue leaning to the left.

            And to be fair, a moderate Republican is about the best you could hope for to get elected in batshit crazy land of Massachusetts. Brown did some good things but I was never under the impression he was anything more than a moderate at best.

          • Christian Heiens

            I vote GOP because I compromise my own values on the role of government (ie: war on drugs, government defining marriage one way or another ect ect) To simply cast the people like me aside won’t help you win elections, it will help you lose dedicated supporters.

            Otherwise, if there’s no place for libertarians in the GOP, I may as well go and join the Libertarian Party. I don’t though because I want to make a real difference and the only venue for that is the GOP (because God knows the Democrats certainly don’t stand up for small government on social or fiscal issues).

          • http://extremesplash.wordpress.com/ Ben Bollman

            So you are saying we should change what we believe to accommodate you? That won’t happen. You voted for us because what we believe is a lot closer to what you believe than what liberals believe. If you want to go to the Democrats even though they are for huge government then so be it but just remember that Obama and the Dems are just as much for strong foreign policy(and even more dangerously so) as Republicans even though, as evidenced by Obama, they say they aren’t.

          • Christian Heiens

            No no no not at all. I WANT to be a Republican. I’m not a member of the Libertarian Party because 1) some of them are crazy 2) they never win elections and most importantly, 3) they don’t do anything substantial in advancing the causes that I personally feel are important.

          • Christian Heiens

            I’m not saying don’t vote your values or try to compromise your principles, I’m trying to say that libertarians and conservatives should not be enemies like a few of the people on here have been saying of in some cases (Calcat36) even advocating. I’m saying we’re natural allies in trying to reduce the size of government and protect our rights. We shouldn’t let petty differences in social issues keep us from working together towards a common goal. The GOP should embrace anyone who wants smaller government in general even if as a whole our party has some conflicting opinions on certain issues. You’re never going to have a group that is 100% on the same page on everything :)

          • http://extremesplash.wordpress.com/ Ben Bollman

            Last time I checked Ron Paul and Gary Johnson kept running long after Romney was nominated and neither bowed out with grace. You guys were the ones who refused to join US, not the other way around.

          • Christian Heiens

            Did I ever say I supported Gary Johnson? And Paul ran until the convention and then stopped. The only thing he did was not endorse Romney.

          • http://extremesplash.wordpress.com/ Ben Bollman

            You didn’t support Gary Johnson but a lot of libertarians did and Ron Paul stomped around like a preschooler over the Romney nomination so I feel no sympathy for the Paulbots.

          • Christian Heiens

            Good thing I’m not looking for your sympathy, just your cooperation.

          • http://extremesplash.wordpress.com/ Ben Bollman

            You first 😉

          • Christian Heiens

            Lol have you seen some of the replies to my original post? There are people here who are genuinely angry at me and are telling me to leave and join the Democrats. How is that cooperation? Many GOP members need to not actively try to push away people in the party who have differing opinions on a few things. Like I said earlier, not everyone is going to agree on everything. Look at how diverse the Democrats are. You have Democrats who are against Gay Marriage and Abortion but you don’t see those members being pushed out of the party because their thinking isn’t in line with the majority of the party. So no, you first 😉

          • http://extremesplash.wordpress.com/ Ben Bollman

            But you see, conservatism isn’t a party. I’m not a Republican even though I vote that way mostly, I believe in conservative ideals even when the GOP doesn’t follow them. The establishment Republican Party of late has become a lot more progressive so it kind of strikes me as odd that you say they are not accommodating to other views when they have practically become Democrats to accommodate other people(which hasn’t worked btw). I think libertarians listen to too much of the liberal rhetoric and think the GOP are trying to shut everyone out. And also I have seen Democrats heckled and told to get out of the party for believing in conservative principles, you can even find some on this site like Jon Lovitz and Stacey Dash(who btw was also called racist things by liberals like “house n-gger”). I honestly haven’t seen one Republican heckled for wanting abortion or gay marriage(we disagree but nothing severe as kicking them out), but when you start disrespecting the troops like Ron Paul did that is another matter. That isn’t right no matter what party you are in.

          • Christian Heiens

            We agree here. The GOP and Conservatism do not necessarily mix all the time. And that’s not true, just look at what a few of the replies to my original post were. I don’t think that at all, I know it and have seen it first hand on here, Twitter, and at physical GOP meetings in my own hometown.

            And I never once endorsed Paul’s comments. I disavow them in fact.

          • http://extremesplash.wordpress.com/ Ben Bollman

            Again I’m not talking about you personally, I am talking about libertarians who support Paul and Johnson in general. The replies you got were from conservatives and from the libertarians I have talked to most are just as hardcore and unwavering about their beliefs as any conservatives(especially about foreign policy). What I saw before the election was conservatives being accepting of libertarians but quite a few libertarians either stubbornly holding onto Paul or voting for Johnson which caused a few important counties to go to Obama. They voted for Johnson just to send a message, I don’t see how that helped anyone and I don’t see how you can think we aren’t accepting of libertarians when we were and in fact were stabbed in the back by them.

          • Christian Heiens

            I guess what I’m trying to say can be summed up by Jefferson’s first inaugural address: “But every difference of opinion is not a difference of principle”. Libertarians and Conservatives are united in desiring smaller government and protecting the Constitution. That should be a rallying point for us, not simply where our interests and similarities end.

            (And BTW, for what it’s worth I am pro-life and personally against gay marriage but I don’t like giving any government the power to define marriage)

          • http://extremesplash.wordpress.com/ Ben Bollman

            Government has always defined marriage, it is a privilege granted by the individual state not a right as the left would have you believe. States can revoke a marriage license for any number of reasons just like a driver’s license, saying gay marriage is a right is only used as a political tactic by the left(along with other so-called “rights” like health insurance).

          • http://extremesplash.wordpress.com/ Ben Bollman

            And I am not against working with libertarians but I just feel like we tried to and got burned by them in the last election by those who voted for Johnson.

        • Calcat36

          Get out of OUR party and start your own or infect the democrats with your crazy moonbat crap. The TEA Party will get rid of you dope smoking pot heads soon enough. You do not need to be “libertarian” if you are a conservative. Wake up kid, your stupid libertarian title is tied to marijuana legalization and NOTHING more. Conservatives do not need your support or your views. We practice CONSERVATISM.

          • Christian Heiens

            smh…I’m not a pot head. Way to jump to conclusions….

          • Christian Heiens

            I also hope you know one of the greatest free market economists of the 20th century, Ludwig von Mises, self identified as a “moonbat” libertarian. Or are you saying that all he wanted to do was smoke pot and get high all the time?

        • TEXANONLY

          Conservative and Conservative only! You libertarians make yourself look bad.

          • Calcat36

            go get ’em jay! He’s a hobbitz wannabe!


    Mr. Paul you sir are a trashy old man. Now go hibernate and stfu.

    • Bruno

      Just like your trash bag John McCain is?


        Not my trash bag, I hate McCain just as much.

        • Brad Bashem [email protected]

          Hahahahaha! Point and match jay!

          • TEXANONLY

            Have a great week Brad

        • Calcat36

          McCain is a hobbitz… Mitt-stake is a hobbitz…. You are all hobbitziz… heh heh…

          Nice try Bruno, you barked up the wrong hobbitz!

          • TEXANONLY

            Get em CalCat!! Hobbitziz, lolol

          • Calcat36

            Just lending a post support. McCain called me a hobbitz! But I didn’t like him LONG before that! I try to type in McCainese, but I can’t find the drool key…

          • TEXANONLY



        Oh idiot liberal

  • BlueGood

    “We know former Rep. Ron Paul has some wacky ideas”

    Operative word being “Former”…he’s a has been…but Chris Kyle will live on for ever in our hearts!

    Even my cat was giving Paul “the Tail”…..(he has no middle finger)…..

  • TN05

    And everyone except Ron Paulites knew he was a coward and a fraud. His newpaper comments, which he supported two decades ago but now claims were not his writing, and condemnation of Reagan in 88 before appealing to Reagan voters in 2012 show he is nothing more than a career politician and a slime salesman.

    • Hilton Neves

      Slime and coward are people who supports those pointless wars.
      Reagan endorsed Ron Paul, that’s something that makes you Neo-cons eat your hearts out. Paul was the only one ever endorsed by the Gipper. And Paul criticized Reagan, concerning some economic decisions, immsmc. This never meant he comdemn anyone, it’s no use you trying to twist the facts.

      • Larenzo1

        You are the fact twister not everyone that disagrees with your Lord Paul is a Neo-con but the guy is nuts

        • Brad Bashem [email protected]

          Nicely put Larenzo

        • TMZ2

          All the Ron Paul supporters, the Alex Jones crowd and libertarians call us is Neo-cons. In reality there are various stripes and types of conservatives. I consider myself a true traditional conservative because I am a mix of fiscal and most of the social platform of conservatives, but I am also independent because I am not for the Republican or Democrat parties. I almost voted for Virgil Goode despite not agreeing with all his foreign policy. But I ended up voting for Mitt Romney because he was the only candidate with a chance. Goode didn’t even make my states ballot. I wanted Michelle Bachmann, Newt Gingrich or Rick Santorum of the candidates who ran last year.

          Ron has a more left leaning, anti-conservative, view of foreign policy. But most libertarians do. They are isolationists and they want to cut defense and get upset at how the U.S.has to go to war to defeat terrorists and the tactics they use like waterboarding and the patriot act. They never understood the War on Terror.

          Well to radio host Glenn Beck I am not libertarian more and more everyday like you claim to be. I am more of an Independent more and more everyday. First, I was a centrist, not a moderate, when I could vote at 18. Secondly, I chose the Republican party. But I quickly realized I was more conservative. But since the GOP has left me by and started turning Democrat; I am more and more a independent,free thinking individual who does not follow the GOP at every whim. I voted third party and not for George W. Bush. But I voted for McCain and Romney. As there was nobody else for president.

          Here are the types of conservatives:
          Social/Cultural Conservatism
          Fiscal Conservatism
          Traditional Conservatism
          Limited government conservatism
          Religious Conservatism
          Christian conservatism
          Paleo Conservatism
          Paternalistic(One-Nation) Conservatism
          Authoritarian Conservatism
          Crunchy Conservatism
          Compassionate Conservatism
          National Conservatism
          Common Sense Conservatism
          Tea Party Conservatism
          Green Conservatism
          Libertarian Conservatism
          Libertine Conservatism
          Liberal Conservatism
          Conservative liberalism
          Progressive Conservatism

          Those were all the types or variants I found on the web.

          • http://extremesplash.wordpress.com/ Ben Bollman

            I am tired of all of these damn subgroups, you will find most of them believe the same damn things. I don’t need any subgroup to define who I am, conservative is a good enough overall label for me. Vote on the issues and the candidate, not the party. But that said I’m not going to vote for some third party candidate either because I am just wasting my vote, that is just common sense.

            I was so tired of supposed Republicans and especially libertarians during the election saying they were going to vote Obama just because Romney was no better. I was like “Are you mad??? Do you not realize what he is going to do to the country??” Now look where we are at, I bet if the election was being held today those people wouldn’t be so cavalier now that reality has hit their face.

          • Calcat36

            Well said Ben. I am a conservative and despise elitist establishment republicans and libertarians that are like a wart on the establishment’s arse.

            I voted for Netanyahu. Mitt-stake was declared to be the only on who could beat BO. Where are those political geniuses now?

          • Calcat36

            Yet they run with the republican NEOCON party… Confused mental midgets.

  • Brian Roastbeef

    Amazing verse, John 18:10… it’s one of the scenes from the Bible that I think we all remember from Sunday school. Don’t read past it: “Then Simon Peter, who had a sword, drew it and struck the high priest’s servant, cutting off his right ear. The servant’s name was Malchus.”

    Christ preached “turn the other cheek” to his disciples who were being sent out to win hearts with love and the message of salvation, but clearly He also understood the common sense need to protect oneself. Why else was Peter carrying a sword? Not just that but to slice an ear without slicing open the head next to it takes precision and skill. Peter was armed, and knew how to use that weapon.

    • Worship Dancer

      Luke 22:36 JESUS OWN WORDS. “Then He said to them, “But now, he who has a money bag, let him take
      [it], and likewise a knapsack; and he who has no sword, let him sell his
      garment and buy one.”

      • guerito777

        remember too, Jesus healed the man’s ear and left with them in peace….

        • http://www.facebook.com/nicholas.reddy.5 Nicholas Reddy

          Is that not what America does? We blow the ever living dog shit out of a city or country then spend a ridiculous amount of resources “healing” the country.

      • FrankDrebinLives

        People forget too that Jesus didn’t ignore or try to negotitate with the money changers in the Temple, he trashed their stuff and threw them out. When you are confronted with evil, you can’t negotiate with it, you destroy it before it destroys you.

    • Avey Owyns

      I think you are wrong about Peter being skilled with a sword, LOL. Peter was a fisherman! Peter’s intent was to KILL the men who came for Christ and slicing off the ear was a lucky miss.

      • kobrien674

        Why? I’m an electronics engineer and yet I’m skilled with a pistol.

        • Avey Owyns

          …because you work eight hours a day, not twelve or thirteen like most men would have 2000 years ago. Because you have the leisure time most men 2000 years ago would not have had.

          My point stands, the idea that Paul was a skilled swordsman is no more than conjecture and the scripture is better understood as Paul trying to kill the soldiers and missing.

      • 1SkepticalChick

        Earning a living in one thing does not forgo the ability to be highly skilled in another. Military personnel across the world do not always fight every hour of every day, they also maintain their surroundings. Reserve, and NG Units have a life and careers outside of their service dutiesbut are still skilled warriors. Some of them are fishermen for a living, but throw down their nets when called upon. I can go to work everyday, come home, and enjoy my life, and still be able to step up to defend you should the need arise. And I’ve never even been in the military.

        • Avey Owyns

          Please go away.

          Unless you can show me some sort of professional commentary asserting that Peter was a skilled swordsman, then your little essay is pointless.

          Just because people can become proficient in more than one skill TODAY does not mean they could have 2000 years ago!

          • 1SkepticalChick

            That would be John 18:10.

      • http://www.facebook.com/nancy.robertson.3150 Nancy Robertson


    • Dr. Greg Pierce

      it’s easy to picture Peter swinging his sword horizontally from left to right. Malchus ducks and Peter sword slices his ear instead of his head. The big fisherman was going for the neck.

      • Daniel Buckner

        And no listed damage to the skull? The mastoid process is right there as one turns the head away and down.
        There was talk the Messiah would come and militarily free Israel. That was their misread. So, much as today, militarily preparing was not a bad idea. More than that, bandits and enemies could be encountered along roads. Wise men carried the means for self preservation…and trained with them.
        Still more, any fisherman that has spent his life cleaning fish will be pretty good with a blade. That may offend your senses, good Dr., but it’s as easy to gut an attacker and a slippery fish.

      • http://www.facebook.com/richard.zoellner.3 Richard Zoellner

        Probably NOT!!!!!

      • Calcat36

        Make it easy on yourself good doctor and rent a movie called The Passion of the Christ. It holds the knowledge you seek padawan.

  • http://twitter.com/who_me_too RadicalRebelWhoMeToo


    • kobrien674

      Calm down RadicalRebel.

      • http://twitter.com/who_me_too RadicalRebelWhoMeToo


    • Bruno

      Good luck trying to win in 2016.

      • http://twitter.com/who_me_too RadicalRebelWhoMeToo

        Yeah… Ron Paul. Good luck trying to win EVER.

  • Dan Thorpe

    Its hard to believe a good person like Rand Paul came from an aweful person like Ron Paul.

  • Alexander_Mundy

    No American soldier since WWII has fought to defend this nation. Bombing the living, freaking, crap out of every nation on the planet is not defending the country. These half-assed skirmishes against Iraq, Afghanistan, Viet Nam, Korea, Panama, Grenada, Kosovo, Somolia, Bay of Pigs, Libya, Syria, Nicaragua, and every other misguided adventures of the military-industrial complex has done little or nothing to advance the cause of liberty at home or abroad. There is nothing heroic about slaughtering innocent people abroad, most of them meerly defending THEIR country from American invaders, more often than not for nebulous reasons. Conservatives claim they are for limited government, that should mean limited military also. During WWII, when the US soldiers marched into the death camps, they said to the prisoners, “you’re safe now, we’re Americans”. No one says that anymore. Let’s go back to being THAT America.

    • TocksNedlog

      ^^^ Paulestinian uprising ^^^

    • Ernie Hesterly

      Gosh, Alex, you should really preach this lunacy to those who lost family and friends in the 9/11/01 attacks. Of course, you might want to do that while exercising your Second Amendment rights, you’re going to need it. Let’s hope that the radical Muslim terrorists don’t target YOUR town next time….

      • audieho

        Ah, did you forget. The looney toons think 9/11 was “an inside job.” They also think you are only defending the homeland if you are fighting on its soil. Lord forbid we be proactive and keep another Germany or Japan from obtaining enough power to attack the homeland. I suppose Bosnians felt unsafe when the Americans and our allies came, huh as opposed to the 4 years of an intense civil war? I could go on, but what’s the point? Can’t penetrate the tin foil.

      • Alexander_Mundy

        Gosh, Ernie, it’s your sanity that should be examined. When the Murr Bldg. in Oklahoma City was demolished in a terrorist attack, the response was measured. Find the culprits and bring them to justice. After 9/11, it was shock and awe first, ask questions later. Over 100,000 dead, multiples of that displaced, and Iraq wasn’t even responsible for 9/11. There was an 8 yo Iraqi girl with the flesh burned off her bones – shock and awe indeed. All of this and more for the tidy sum of (little finger to corner of mouth) $1 trillion dollars. I have no quarrel with tracking down those responsible for 9/11 and putting their heads on a stick, or even using enhanced interrogation to expedite the process, but shooting first, and at random, is contrary to our mostly forgotten founding principles.

        • billy86

          Iraq was SOOO innocent – Check with the little Kurdish children. Oh, wait! They’re DEAD from the largest chemical weapons attack directed against a civilian population in history: mustard gas and the nerve agents sarin, tabun and VX. I’m sure these weapons were perfectly secure in a stable, peaceful, non-invading country like Iraq…

        • http://www.facebook.com/michael.skembo Michael Craig Skembo

          28 days is plenty of time to field a response, and let’s not forget that the death toll was 10x greater on 9/11 and that it was a coordinated multi-pronged attack. Unlike OKC.

      • Bruno

        Alex has a point.

        • billy86

          …on his head.

      • Erica Mathis

        Err.. no country or standing army attacked us on 911, dork. Iraq certainly didn’t attack us, Afghanistan certainly didn’t attack us.

    • Rena

      Alex, because we have not fought on our soil does not mean
      the wars we have fought since WWII weren’t for defending this country. Should
      we wait till they are here in force to fight, risking more civilians to die?
      Should we have just sat back and let them continue to attack us? Perhaps next
      time you can go over there and try to talk to the leaders of the Al Qaeda not
      to attack us, or better yet, you can stand on top of the buildings and protect
      them, wave off any incoming attacks and see if they will listen to your pleas.

      They forced our hand and we had to go there and hit at their terrorist
      infrastructure. That is what is needed to defend this country so that we are
      not losing any more innocent lives such as they executed on 9/11. Perhaps you
      don’t realize they began the slaughter of innocent lives by attacking, not
      military installations but public buildings where thousands of innocent
      civilians work that day. They slaughtered hundreds more innocent lives when
      they took those planes and slammed them into those buildings. And please don’t forget, (but it seems you willfully put blinders on) the hundreds of other
      attacks around the world years before sending troops to Afghanistan and Iraq,
      the bombings of nightclubs and hotels, planes and US Embassy’s, buses and
      marketplaces. For some reason I don’t feel you care what they have done to us
      or to our allies. In your narrow mind we are just murders while they are so

      By just sitting back and not really doing anything all those years we allowed
      ourselves to be seen as passive or thinking as you, “if we don’t get
      involved they won’t attack us mentality”… the “hide our heads in
      the sand and they won’t see us” attitude. And guess what happened Alex?
      They attacked us… not just once but twice on our soil! The first time in 1993
      at the World Trade Center that slaughtered seven INNOCENT lives, one of which was an unborn child. We arrested the offenders of these murders but it didn’t stop the organizations that conspired such attacks. This bombing was just the forerunner for an even more massive attack. Perhaps if we had hit Al Qaeda in this first attack ON THEIR SOIL as we are now, the attacks on 9/11 may not have happened. But that’s what happens when you just sit back and slap hands instead of stopping their war machine on the other side.

      • BLM4L

        Ron Paul votes to go to war with the Afgans. Iraq did not pose a terrorist threat to us.

        • billy86

          Really? Ask Kuwait, our ally.

        • http://www.facebook.com/michael.skembo Michael Craig Skembo

          I think you missed the terrorist training grounds in Iraq complete with the fuselage of an airliner. Maybe you missed 13yrs of Saddam ignoring the treaty he signed when he was beaten back out of Kuwait after he attacked. However if that isn’t enough, how about the weapons manufacturing facilities that were found “recently” abandoned?

          Sorry if that’s too much for you to comprehend but the facts are that it was time to deal with Iraq. Only morons can’t recognize it.

      • Brad Bashem [email protected]

        Perfectly posted Rena, thanks!

    • Richard Sturms

      Well,did you sleep without fear of being attacked? Did you go to work or whatever you do unmolested,and not being dragged off into darkness? Did you go through your day,in relative peace? You did because people like me uphold and defend the Constitution so people like you can spout your hate of all defenders of liberty! You are nothing more than a CHBAC ish troop hater who wouldn’t dare to say that to a soldier’s face!

    • Erica Mathis

      Your truths are lost on these ignorant minions. Just praise war and threaten those “evil terrorists” who want to “due us amuricons harm!” and you’ll be loved around here.

  • http://twitter.com/The__Pigman ThePigman

    Ron Paul speaks the truth, and the truth is rarely welcome amongst the stupid and deluded.

    • TocksNedlog

      You’re half right.

      • http://twitter.com/The__Pigman ThePigman

        Nope. As is my wont, i am totally right while simultaneously being totally left.

        • TocksNedlog

          You were correct — ironically — when you said “the truth is rarely welcome amongst the stupid and deluded.” This applies to anyone that follows a political leader as if he or she is the Alpha & Omega; whether it be Obama, or . . .

    • Larenzo1

      So that means you have botted the old goat.

    • Richard Sturms

      Hating those who defend liberty,and wanting to keep war off our soil when we are attacked is NOT truth! The stupid one is you and the troop haters who foolw the biggest fool on the planet!

  • Hilton Neves

    Wanna talk nuttiness? Look at your trillionaire debt. Brought to you by the military-industrial complex and the FED.
    Dr. Paul served in Vietnam, unlike most of you chicken-hawks. He learned how pointless those wars are.
    Oh, but I’m nutty. Go on killing innocent people overseas. That’ll make you a hero, right?

    • TocksNedlog

      Ain’t it funny how true believers ^^^ sometimes have trouble believing/accepting the truth?

      • http://www.facebook.com/nancy.robertson.3150 Nancy Robertson

        Yes you are right, AIN’T IT FUNNY. I feel sorry for you and fustrated!!! that in your eyes we are always the blind ones. Why is it so hard for you to believe that someone like Chris did what was expected of him and did what he believes – why is that so hard to except????? your truth is mean and unkind. The truth is never any of those things I’m sure you are a good person but you are wrong!!!

        • TocksNedlog

          I DO believe that Chris did what he believed in and what was expected of him.
          You seem to be having a bit of trouble figuring out this Twitchy thing.

    • Larenzo1

      Hey asscrack I served in Vietnam and spent three months in two different hospitals recovering from the last tour. try something else to defend the nutburger you worship.

      • Erica Mathis

        Awwwwww, want a pity party? Want a pat on the back? Want to be called a “hero”? Go screw yourself, you follower. The reason you served is because you’re a good little follower who does what he’s told… now come over hear and shine my shoes with your tongue, bitch.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002109532283 Jillane Kent

      Military industrial debt? Don’t statistics show that more debt will be incurred by Social Security, Medicaid, Medicare, and debt service? To your next point, why do you assume that every person responding has not served in the military? I believe quite a few regular visitors to this site have served in a far more dangerous capacity than that of a physician.

      • AdoEdem

        I will say this for leftists. They usually don’t trot out “military-industrial complex” right off the bat. Some small part of them is at least sane enough to realize how conspiracy theories come across to the mentally-stable.

        The Ronulans are too far gone to even check themselves. I’m only surprised he left out the World Zionist Conspiracy/Illuminati.

    • Richard Sturms


    • http://www.facebook.com/nancy.robertson.3150 Nancy Robertson

      How would you like for them to be killing over here?? I believe that debt was brought to us on behalf of government and stimulas. Or do you not listen to the news? Nobody wants to be a hero here we just want people like you to stop saying all these dump things. I know you see yourself as a real knowledgable person you may be I don’t know – surely you know the dept was not because of the military alone!!! surely not???!!!!! Lets’ be fair !!!!??? As for men in the military I have talked to some not all – these men do not share your views or Pauls. What exactly did Paul do in Vietnam?? I don’t know did he go out with a gun or sit behind a desk while other men did the fighting.? If you are willing to put yourself out there to defend him what did he do in Vietnam?? When he went out on manuvers did he use his weapon I for one would like to know, at the very least before I start calling another soldier such bad names for saying he got what he deserves. I might not like what you say but these men defended your right to say them as every soldiers since the revolution.

    • Erica Mathis

      Careful, the more sense you make, the nuttier you are.

  • TocksNedlog

    “Make the government go back onto the Gold Standard, not war!”
    Hmm, needs work.

  • http://twitter.com/LNSmithee L.N. Smithee

    This is what people don’t realize about Ron Paul and other hardcore antiwar libertarians: They think that non-intervention policies somehow magically protect nations from attack. They’re wrong.

    For years, capital-L types like Harry Browne and Lew Rockwell have cited Switzerland as an example. On the morning of September 12, 2001, Browne asserted that the attacks that murdered 3,000 the day before shouldn’t have been a surprise because of US foreign policy. Wrote Browne: “Even sitting in the middle of Europe, Switzerland isn’t beset by terrorist attacks, because the Swiss mind their own business.” WRONG! The full extent of Swiss government’s secret deals with the Nazis were revealed in 1996, but the myth remains. If Switzerland ever decides it no longer wants to be the banker/money launderer to the world’s monarchs, tycoons, and tyrants, no hostile neighbor nation nor pissed-off Islamist will have a reason to resist slaughtering some poor soul whose only means of self-defense is a Swiss Army knife.

    Browne, in that day after 9/11 essay, also wrote that Americans need to “find a way…to prevent our leaders from ever again provoking this kind of anger against America.” From what I’ve read, I believe that had the like-minded Ron Paul been President in 1941, the Pearl Harbor attacks might not have happened that fateful December, because he wouldn’t want to provoke the Japanese by imposing an oil embargo. President Paul similarly would refuse to aid the British as the Nazis set its sights on destroying England. But eventually, Paul would have had to deal with Hirohito’s grand plan. If Japan didn’t have to deal with American resistance, it would have been free to fulfill its ambition of splitting world domination with the aforementioned Nazis.

    Think I’m full of it? Google “Greater East-Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere.” As seemingly impossible as the Empire of Japan’s goals were, keep in mind that its soldiers fought with religious fervor for its emperor, who was accepted as a Shinto demigod. It took two atomic bombs before Hirohito was convinced to acknowledge he was a mere mortal, thus breaking the grip of the imperial cult. In the end, the U.S. guided a secular Japan to resurgence to the point of usurping America’s technological leadership.

    Antiwar libertarians want to pretend that an America that shrinks back to its borders and hunkers down will be rewarded with the goodwill of nations relieved that the planet’s global cop is finally minding its own business. That makes as much sense as believing criminals reward a striking police force with obedience to the law.

    • Larenzo1

      Good post we can never in a modern world ignore those that wish to harm us. Islationism will no longer work. The great oceans no longer a deterrent to those that would do us harm.

      • http://www.facebook.com/acia.fakio Acia Fakio

        Don’t you think that if they secured our borders or checked the guys who flew the planes into the towers then we wouldn’t have to be killing innocent people by collarderal damage just because they live in the wrong country? It sure seems easier to me.

        • Erica Mathis

          Common sense won’t get you far out here. These people hate them some Ron Paul,, and that’s that!

          • Larenzo1

            I do not hate Ron Paul i do dislike his ignorance about the world and the dangers we face and thinking we can just bury our heads in the sand and it will go away. Also his comment in regard to the murdered Navy man was nuts absolutely nuts and un called for.

        • Larenzo1

          I agree with securing the borders, I do not understand the comment about checking the guys that flew the planes into the towers they commandeered the planes through violence and had forged documents. The last thing Americans want is cllateral damage or to harm innocent civillians. I had that pounded into my head over and over. But the cowardly Jehadist hide behind there women and children. Even Osama pushed his wife out in front of him. Your comment is rather convaluted

      • Erica Mathis

        I have a bridge for sale if you’re interested, I’ll give you a great price. I know you’re EXACTLY the type that could use it.

        • Larenzo1

          You evidently already bought the bridhe so keep it so that proves what type you are.

        • http://extremesplash.wordpress.com/ Ben Bollman

          You are the one who follows Ron Paul blindly yet HE is the one that will buy any bridge he is sold?

    • eagle77

      You should do a little research on the military of Switzerland. Only about 5% are full time, professional soldiers. There’s compulsory military service for all males 19-34 or older. Once trained, all soldiers keep their personal equipment AND all assigned weapons at home, including Swiss Army knife, until end of service.

    • Kenny Hitt

      I do have to take slight issue with this, as every Swiss male head of household is required to keep and maintain a fully-automatic assault rifle and participate in compulsory military training. There’s a reason these guys are hired to protect the Pope.

      • http://www.facebook.com/nancy.robertson.3150 Nancy Robertson

        That is your reason why the Swiss got the job to protect the Pope REALLY!!!!! here is a little tid-bit most all americans have a gun in their homes trust me we known how to use them. No disrespect to the Pope we don’t want the job we are to busy protecting ourselves from other countries that wish to do us harm, not to mention our own government. We seem to be a target by other countries because of our way of life our freedom and our religion it puzzles me why some people want to always put us in our place!!! OK you win the Swiss have a huge job in protecting the Pope with their elite military force. PS not only do all male Americans of household have a gun and know who to use it so do the women.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

        • Kenny’s Lawyer

          Nancy, I think Kenny is in agreement with you, his point being that it’s not the presence of guns that cause gun crime.

          • AgntOrngVctm

            This is about Ron Paul’s protectionist/isolationist Secular Humanist world view and the many dupes revere every word he says. It’s just another way to screw Israel. He’s no different today than he was during the republican primaries; idiotic, smug and self-righteous.

          • Kenny Hitt

            My point was that Switzerland is neutral, not isolationist. If they were attacked, they have a standing military force – a well-trained one, I might add – that would be prepared to defend the country. Paul wants neutrality AND isolationism. He wants the dismantling of the military and wants the US left undefended and unable to retaliate if we are attacked. L.N.’s example of the Swiss is not accurate, especially denigrating them with the “only means of self-defense is a Swiss Army knife” remark. Male citizens in Switzerland are actually better-armed than we are here in the States.

          • AgntOrngVctm

            And I am agreeing with both of you, but the article is about Ron Raul and I didn’t want anybody to lose sight of that. It’s important, since Mittens McRomney lost the vote by about as many as supported the stupidity of libertarianism in all its incarnations.

          • Pablo

            Switzerland is also rigged to blow, and its mountainous terrain is tough to march on. It would be damned near impossible to invade them.


          • $24647834

            But, no Swiss pansy luvs him some guns as much as Pablo loves guns

          • Doubleace

            Have you ever been to Switzerland? They couldn’t defend themselves against a group of Boy Scouts much less a well trained army, The reason the Swiss weren’t attacked is simply because Hitler and the Nazi’s needed someone todo their money laundering. It was a good place for all the riches of Europe to be hidden The Swiss have been getting a free ride for way too ling. They aren’t the angelic nation everyone thinks. Mind you there are a lot of good people in Switzerland, but I would not categorize their banking or their government as some of them.

          • http://www.facebook.com/acia.fakio Acia Fakio

            Didn’t Ron say he wanted to defend our country but not go to all the other countries and fight?

          • Erica Mathis

            Yes, he’s said this, oh,, about a million in one times! But you must understand, the anti-Paul people aren’t having any of that! They aren’t what you would call the most politically informed. They read a Yahoo or MSNBC headline and take it as gospel.

          • Erica Mathis

            Stop parroting uneducated ignorant anti Paul talking points

            1. Give us some examples to support your claim that Paul wants isolationism.
            2. Give us some examples to support your claim that Paul wants to dismantle the military.
            3. Give us some examples to support your claim that Paul wants to leave American defenseless.

          • Erica Mathis

            “protectionist/isolationist Secular Humanist world”

            Fancy words for someone who has no idea what they mean. If you did, you certainly wouldn’t put Paul in the same sentence.

      • Bob Richmond

        Believe me, the Swiss Guards protecting the Pope these days are strictly ceremonial. I was at the Vatican in Oct 2012 and I don’t remember ever seeing a more timid looking cadre of young, what appeared to be smooth faced school boys dressed in ludicrous non functional theatrical outfits, masquerading as warriors. Any average troupe of Girl Guides would be able to clean their clocks in no time flat.

        • Kenny Hitt

          And for every one in a “ludicrous non functional theatrical outfit”, there were a dozen you didn’t see in a business suit with an IFB. The Swiss Guard are more than ceremonial, although they do have a ceremonial corps, just as the guards at Buckingham Palace do. They serve as the Vatican Secret Service. Your statement is patently ridiculous…that would be like accusing the guards at the Tomb of the Unknowns of not being real soldiers.

          • Doubleace

            Yes you are correct it’s the ones you don’t see that are the trouble. Odd that a religion that preaches peace has these kinds of guards, with guns, ready to kill people all around them isn’t it.

          • ForTheRepublic

            So, because they share Christian beliefs, the people of the Vatican shouldn’t defend themselves if attacked? What a rediculous statement.

    • Kevin Krom

      Switzerland was also long protected by geography — mounting a traditional ground assault over the alps would be very difficult indeed. With today’s military technology, that would be a much less secure defense, but over the previous few centuries of European history, a rather formidable barrier.

    • http://twitter.com/mighty_tuna NDM

      I am sooooo following you on twitter, my man!

    • Noni77

      Actually, each Swiss adult is issued a rifle and required to learn how to use it in defense of their homeland so no, they’d have more than a Swiss army knife. But good post otherwise.

      • http://www.facebook.com/nancy.robertson.3150 Nancy Robertson

        Yes exactly that is all we want to do but our government is going to issue us Swiss army knifes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! go figure!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

        • Linda Eckerman

          FYI – when the 2nd Amendment was written (in 1791) they carried muskets. Very cumbersome to load, and loaded singly. Nothing that repeated or was easier to load was invented for years. If the founding fathers could see what people are calling their “2nd Amendment” rights today, they’d be screaming from their grave to say what they intended. They did not intend to have people buy semi-automatic weapons for mass slaughter, although you seem to be perfectly fine with it. If people had background checks and semi-automatic weapons were not allowed to be carried by anyone but law enforcement and soldiers, you would not need to be armed.

          • NachoCheese (D)

            “…semi-automatic weapons were not allowed to be carried by anyone but law
            enforcement and soldiers, you would not need to be armed.”

            Except for the realization that criminals would not follow that law, coupled with the cognition that police are armed to protect themselves not to protect you. The police have no requirement to protect the victims of crime, merely to attempt to deter crime, process evidence after a crime has taken place and attempt to catch the perpetrator.

            District of Columbia Court of Appeals ruling:

            “The court stated that official police personnel and the government
            employing them owe no duty to victims of criminal acts and thus are not
            liable for a failure to provide adequate police protection unless a
            special relationship exists.”

            Wise words to live by:
            “He who beats his sword into a plowshare eventually plows the shares of those who did not.”

          • Brad Bashem [email protected]

            Spot on Brother! Again, well said….

          • Calcat36

            Yeah, all cops are good cops too.They always show up when the criminal is about to shoot you to death… Wait… NO they don’t. Good redress with the Court statement. I would also add, cops carry guns to protect THEMSELVES, NOT YOU.

            The toolbags in the link fired every round they had and took out 9 civilians without hitting the bad guy, who was already dead! So much for guns in the hands of “professionals”huh?


          • Rachelle Pelham

            You are so far from wrong it is sad, have you read the document? The second amendment was put in place not so you could protect your home or family from a guy breaking into your house, it was so that you could protect yourself from an over bearing government. The people had weapons that were the same as the military at that time and it was what they could afford. The amendment was put in place so that no government could come in and take what were seen as your God given rights. If any government tried to take those rights, you would be able to defend not only the constitution but your fellow man.
            If you feel your government can be trusted to look after all your rights then you need to take a history lesson. Eugenics was started in the United States and influenced Hitler to kill all the Jews. Abortion was started to kill off African Americans and what was considered to be the bad genetics of the time. To this day you can still sterilize a woman at age 15 if a doctor finds it prudent due to her mental acuity in Oregon. Look what we did to the American Indians. Our current government wants to tax you for being alive and you believe that its not necessary to own a weapon that would allow you to fight for your rights? Do you remember Ruby Ridge.
            Our right to own arms is so that we can form a militia, that means a group of people who are capable of making war. If you want a revolver to go up against a government great for you. You would lose.

            Learn a lesson from history. Example: The great Samurai Warriors went up against an army with cannons and the rifles (some may have been the very ones you speak of). What happened, they died. Why? Because they did not own guns. China and Russia have constitutions offering the same rights that we have. You ask what is the difference, it is that we are able to carry a gun.

          • Brad Bashem [email protected]

            Spot on Rachelle! Well said!

          • Calcat36

            Well said, however, you need to research what the Native Americans did to colonists/Americans as well. If we didn’t advance in technology, they would have wiped us out. They were also constantly at war with each other…

          • Brad Bashem [email protected]

            Really Linda????? You are dead serious on that post????? Glad you can channel the dead Founding Fathers to interpret “their” vision….give me a break! So ALL those laws in Chicago for gun bans, in place for years and years, and check the murder rates that were extreme last year and now another 42 in Windy City read:Blow-hard Dems posturing…and those deaths came from law-abiding citizens who followed the laws on the books presently??? OMG, they are criminals BECAUSE THEY DON’T FOLLOW THE LAWS!!!!! Nothing is going to stop those bad actors from doing the bad things happening presently here in Chicago or elsewhere because semi-automatics are taken from lawful citizenry or background checks are implemented on same! The lunacy of the Left is you have wishful dreams that NEVER meet up with reality! And those dead citizens here in the Windy City prove that….sadly almost daily!

          • Sharpshooter

            Thank you for that very valid information. I have never seen any one post what the founding fathers actually wanted, obviously you have inside information!

          • http://www.facebook.com/richard.zoellner.3 Richard Zoellner

            Linda, criminals don’t care about the law. Second amandment doesn’t mean anything to them, they want to kill and they will, until the law starts to do something about criminal background checks. I am for background checks, probably the only way to cut down on criminal activity. Criminals get their guns from the black market and the government doesn’t take it seriously enough to get rid of the the black market and gangs. If I wanted a gun I would welcome a background check as I am not a criminal and don’t have a criminal background.

          • Calcat36

            BS Linda. You are a public school indoctrinated useful IDIOT. Try reading the Declaration of Independence. That is the document that provides explanation for the Second Amendment. Here is my reply to stupid fools such as you:

            Why I NEED an assault rifle:

            “…that whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive to these Ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to ABOLISH it, and institute new Government, laying its Foundation on such Principles, and organizing its Powers in such Form, as to THEM shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.”

            That is found in the Declaration of Independence for you public school gradumicates. I don’t hunt deer, therefore I will possess and load every 30 round magazine I have should the government want to oppress me or attempt take them away. I will refuse to register them with any “authority” of any kind. As the Constitution requires no such thing. So the Sandy Hook parents can kiss my flash supressor. Coumo can limit HIS SECURITY to 2 rounds for all I care. My right to survive government tyranny will not be infringed. Note to you Linda, the police do not carry muskets now, do they?

            As Thomas Jefferson once wrote: “When governments fear the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government,
            there is tyranny.”

          • gekkobear

            FYI when the First Amendment was written they only had handwritten notes with QUILL pens and a very few HAND PRESSES for the press.

            Very slow tiresome and hard to get an idea out.

            If the Founding Fathers could see the internet, modern presses and automobile delivery,.. would they claim this should NOT be protected speech?

            Why not?

        • Sharpshooter

          Correction, scissors per “Big sis”

          • Calcat36

            Or… run, drop, roll, zig-zag, hide, scramble, jump up and down, run, walk, walk briskly, get coffee, smile, drop, roll, crouch in fetal position, distract shooter with boobs… And if all that fails, just give up and die. BUT WHATEVER YOU DO, DO NOT *** REPEAT *** DO NOT EVER CARRY A GUN! That would be unfair!

          • Sharpshooter

            I’m afraid that if I relied on my “boobs” to distract any one, I would be SOL! LOL

          • Calcat36

            Ok 2 options then. Send a pic, or tell me where you work… (Still laughing! That was funny!)

      • RLWiley

        no, it wasn’t a good post. and the “swiss army knife” line, fit in perfectly with the naivete’ of the entirety.

    • kobrien674

      Good info, but off topic.

    • Bruno

      Well you know what? your intervention policies has ruined countries including the Balkans.

      • Kenny’s Lawyer

        Ruined the Balkans? Mwahahaha! Balkan states and peoples are the poster children for dysfunctional societies. Read some history.

        • Bruno

          Hey Jack i am from the Balkans why dont go visit and see it yourself?

          • Calcat36

            Go back to the Balkans and straighten us out there then, tough Balkanian! When the phone don’t ring, I’ll know you have the situation well in hand, super hero!

      • Brad Bashem [email protected]

        Yes “ruined” the Balkans…..wow…..revisionist a bit are we????? Where was Shangri-La in the Balkans?? Ever?? Pick a country or a century…..then reply back…..wow!

    • Andy Maul

      .Ron Paul voted to go after the terrorists in Afghanistan. He rightfully
      didn’t support the conflict in Iraq and continued intervention in
      Afghanistan, Libya, Egypt, etc. This is the violence propagated by
      neoconservative politicians which Ron Paul and many other veterans

      • AgntOrngVctm

        Neoconservative = Jewish. “Violence propagated by Jews”. And Andy … the WMDs that were in Iraq for which we went to war, are now in Syria, about to be used by Islamists, and threatening … oh never mind, it’s only Israel. Go back to sleep.

        • Erica Mathis

          Good post.

          • Larenzo1

            You are obviously the bull bitch and one thing I have never been is a follower we had what was called the draft. Now I am sure you want to get busy on that carpet or do some loose knee bends over a fire hydrant. By the way have you got your STD card punched at the free clinic this week? Now I will simply ignore you and the rest of the anti -Semites.

      • Calcat36

        You are full of it liberal. Soetoro continued EVERYTHING that Bush implemented and MORE. He is a liberal socialist to the max who BOMBED LIBYA illegally. And he is keeping Gitmo OPEN for business! Sucker.

        But go ahead Paulistinian, believe your BS spewed by a surrender monkey.

      • Larenzo1

        Andy you have your people mixed up Libya and Egypt and Syria is being gone after by Obuma. You must be a Paul devotee lolol

    • Bryan Clyne

      The Swiss and Nazis did have an agreement, but the Nazis were considering betraying them, just as they did with the USSR. They ultimately decided it would cost too many resources and troops, because the blitzkrieg wouldn’t have worked against the fortified bunkers in the alps.

    • Guest

      As opposed to going to hundreds of countries around the world of fucking their shit up for decades..okay.

    • RLWiley

      I can’t believe I actually read that entire post. as it is without a doubt the most naive mindless pile of brainwashed stupid crap imaginable. You, L.N. SMITHEE, aren’t smart enough to be posting on this subject.
      Try something you know.

    • Erica Mathis

      “They think that non-intervention policies somehow magically protect nations from attack. They’re wrong.”

      No, you’re wrong. Paul doesn’t think the U.S. has any constitutional power to be going around the world “protecting” other nations. And he’s right, of course.

    • Blake Waymire

      I do have to correct you somewhat on Hirohito. Internal memos indicate he was willing to end the war before the first bomb hit, but by then the military had effectively taken control of the country and did not allow Hirohito to say anything. The heads of the military basically ignored Hirohito’s early objections to war and went on with what they wanted to do. It was only after the second bomb that Hirohito grew a spine and surrendered personally over the objections of the military.

    • http://twitter.com/Nevergiveup21cc cleareyesfullheart

      the 9/11 attacks were not caused by american interventionism but rather were carried out by our own govt. (here comes the “crazy!” and “conspiracy theorist!” Charge) to keep us fighting never ending wars..as a libertarian/paleoconservative i believe there are things worth fighting for but i don’t think it’s right to go around starting fights or doing the uns bidding and we as mere humans have no right to go around being the worlds “police”

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1280676990 David Hazi

    Except that 9/11 was perpetrated by a few lone wolfs, not entire nations. Khalid Sheikh Mohammed was the uncle of Ramzi Yousef, who also attacked Iranian Muslim shrines and many other people and places. Iraq never should have happened and Afghanistan should of never turned into an occupation. Special Operations Forces nabbed just about every single legit bad guy prior to 2007 and most weren’t found in Middle Eastern countries. I know, I served on a JSOTF that took down several HVTs.

    • Kenny Hitt

      Al Qaeda was being financially supported and was being sheltered by the Taliban-controlled government of Afghanistan, and Saddam Hussein gave funding to Zawahiri’s branch of Islamic Jihad, which he then merged with Bin Laden’s organization to form Al Qaeda. Do a little research. Both Iraq and Afghanistan were state sponsors of the organization. End the cash flow, starve the beast.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000084671427 Tj Freezn

        Kenny Hill, you just dug yourself into a further hole.
        Both you and David Hazi are correct.
        It’s not either/or.
        Al Queda and the Taliban, as well as Iraq and Afghanistan, were financially supported and trained by the USA’s CIA
        …even Hillary Clinton grudgingly admitted that.
        (in essence, certain parts of the American industrial complex used foreign rebels to attack the USA, for various selfish reasons disguised with supposedly justifiable excuses)

  • Cliff Wilson

    I suppose Dr. Paul is refering to the shooter’s alleged condition (PTSD)? I wonder would this Marine not have “aquired” PTSD had he participated in what Dr. Paul would consider a constitutional conflict? And I would also like to know where Christ taught that Christians should be complete pacifists.

  • PistolPeterson

    I wonder if Ron Paul knows what’s going to happen when Jesus comes back.

    • bonnieblue2A

      Read your bible as it is all in there.

  • http://www.facebook.com/michele.j.mueller Michele J Mueller

    Could this be the beginning stage of senility?

    • http://www.theconservativevoices.com/ dmacleo

      beginning ???

      • http://www.facebook.com/michael.skembo Michael Craig Skembo

        Yeah, that road has been traveled for a LONG time.

    • http://extremesplash.wordpress.com/ Ben Bollman

      Not so much senility as what he has always believed

  • jeff everhart

    Ron Paul is derailing his son’s chances to become President.

    • Bob Khan

      I don’t think so, Rand has really been showing lately that he is not a “chip off the old block”.

      Still keeping my support for Rand, but I hope Ron comes to his senses. Both remarks were very disappointing and disrespectful.

  • Avey Owyns

    “A policy of non-violence…”

    I think this instance would be a good one for Christians to proclaim the God of the Old Testament, who we believe to be Christ, as a God who happily destroyed his enemies and the enemies of Israel.

    • Calcat36

      Amen. That’s two of us!

  • Reggie Massey

    couldn’t believe that he said this. His supporters are saying that they took him out of context, but yet it is said plain and simple. Dr Paul, I have lost respect fr you sir.

  • Bill Will

    he has joined the ranks of Feinstein and Pelosi and to think he wanted to be POTUS

  • Ernie Hesterly

    Let’s not let your bigotry and idiocy be seen in such a public place, shall we? And normally when someone posts something as far-fetched as yours, they post a link to back up their wild assertions. Since your post lacks such a link, one can only think you haven’t had your meds yet today.

    • Doubleace

      Ernie, Kenny hasn’t learned that it is better to be quiet and thought a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.

  • Kenny Hitt

    I hope something happens to you that makes your family cry.

    • kobrien674

      That wasn’t nice either.

    • http://www.facebook.com/nancy.robertson.3150 Nancy Robertson

      Now Mr. Hitt that was not nice, why would you want his family to cry? Mr. Hesterly attacked you not your family..

  • D. Deane

    So pacifism is “nutty”? (and wars of aggression are not?) What kind of logic did Markham Robinson use to accuse Ron Paul of opposing “self-defense”? Paul was obviously referring to unprovoked wars of agression, such as this country’s invasion of Iraq, which resulted in hundreds of thousands of deaths and new terrorism and hate for this country which didn’t exist before. (And this war was not nutty??) Sadly, according to polls, about 60% of this ‘war-mongering” country supported that invasion.

    • TocksNedlog

      Ya know, I too hate the fact that nobody over there hated us until we went over there and MADE them hate us! Especially the way that we kept fighting to save them from killing each other [90+% of all Iraqi deaths in Iraq War caused by fellow Iraqis or Iranian collaborators].

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=591166912 Tracie Sherman

    I love Ron Paul! He is really misunderstood. You people can’t see the truth, you only see the lies you’ve been fed. Ron Paul was completely taken out of context. He is pointing out the tragedy of how PTSD is largely ignored. Besides, if you’re a believer in the scriptures, you can’t argue w/ what he said and be right.

    • bonnieblue2A

      I tend to agree. I don’t agree with the seemingly insensitive way fmr. Rep. Ron Paul made his first statement and his timing was incredibly distasteful. However, I’ve not seen any malicious intent in Dr. Ron Paul’s statements, ever. He acknowleged the tragedy and offered his prayers to the family. This should have been his first and only statement on the topic until a more appropriate time and venue.

      For those who would care to help the Kyle and Littlefield families or other veterans with PTSD donations can be made at the following links:

      http://redcirclefoundation.org/ include the notation “CK” to direct your donation at Red Circle Foundation for the memory of Chris Kyle.

      Chris Kyle’s foundation to help veterans suffering with PTSD is Fitco Cares:

    • Richard Sturms

      I see him as a peacenik troop hater,and I CAN and do argue with what he said,because he like you are against the Constitution and those who defend it!

    • TocksNedlog

      Ah yes, “taken out of context”; the ‘Get Out of Jail Free’ Card of political debate.

    • http://extremesplash.wordpress.com/ Ben Bollman

      How can you be “taken out of context” with your own words on your own tweet? You Paulbots are really defying all logic to defend this man. Jesus also wasn’t completely non-violent and believed in protecting oneself and standing for what is right so you might want to rethink that Scriptures comment.

  • Nemo Stone

    Ron Paul still refuses to recognize that It is the violent nut-jobs that are the problem. The perpetrators in all of the current incidents that have the left up in arms to clear the streets of violent firearms are nut jobs with anger issues not people with firearms that are the answer to the problem. Those with guns are non-violent, only visiting violence upon those who wish to do harm.

    Ron Paul has gotten Matthew 26:52 “Then saith Jesus unto him, Put up again thy sword into its place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword.” backwards.

    Chris Kyle answered with the sword, he did not pick it up first. Ron Paul’s backwardness blames either Kyle’s violence or his ineptitude (taking a nut job to a range and expecting to heal the nut job) first rather than seeing that Kyle was the answer, trying to help the nut job, and not the problem.

  • http://www.facebook.com/PaulDWalters Paul D Walters

    No way in hell Rand Paul comes close to the nomination in 2016. This is why the Republicans can’t get their act together–just too many outspoken nut jobs!!!!

  • http://twitter.com/commonsenseobse commonsenseobserver

    “Blame America First”.

    • Isahiah62

      exactly he should go on the same ticket with Hillary Clinton who shares this view- why has this old fool even run in any R race? he has so much more in common with D party

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000084671427 Tj Freezn

    //Hmm, this post [article] implies a few things:
    1) the second gulf war was a good thing.
    2) Kyle would have died even if the war hadn’t happened.
    3) Ron Paul is insulting Kyle.

    All of these statements are objectively false. Iraq was a terrible idea. If we never went to war, Kyle’s attacker would have had PTSD and shot Kyle. Paul is obviously making the point that if you truly love your men and women in uniform, why do you send them to get blown up in wars that don’t even matter?

    I agree with Paul. This faux outrage over everything Paul says is a bit absurd. And this time he IS right. I am tired of making excuses for seeing friends missing half or more of their limbs, or suffering from mental or social problems. Iraq was absolutely unnecessary and the best we have in this country are paying for the sins of corrupt politicians and the deluded people that follow them.// – Justin Hoover

    • bonnieblue2A

      One has to keep in perspective the vitriolic hatred Michelle Malkin has consistently expressed for Rep. Ron Paul. She is a media soldier for the neo-Con Right and is working with Carl Rove to destroy the Consitutional liberty movement.

  • myattj

    Shootingsparks you are such a bigot you have to be one of those who beleive the jews control the world. Do your home work genius they have invented things we use everyday vitamins kordite gun.powder american medical association andI could go on you are very narrow minded jerk.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1208422359 Bonita Ledzius

    Just shows how little Ron Paul knows of the Bible. Jesus even said there would be a time when even his followers would need to pick up the sword. He said it just before he was arrested in the Garden. Many times God instructed Moses, Joshua and other Hebrew leaders to make weapons to go to war against the enemies of God and the Hebrews. So I don’t know what Bible Ron Paul is reading…but it isn’t the Christian one.
    Chris Kyle served this country honorably, and then went on to try and help those who suffered as they served this country, all so Ron Paul and even moronic liberals could say stupid things like this. It is time people stood up for men like Chris Kyle and called Ron Paul and others on their hypocrisy!

  • http://www.facebook.com/adowellsalyer Anthony Salyer

    Non-violence does NOT preclude self-defense. That is such a fallacy. I am no supporter of Mr. Paul, but I really get tired of people twisting words to mean something that was not said. Always looking for the “hidden” meaning. One can support a position of “Don’t be the one to start a fight.” and still hold the position of,” But if someone else starts one, be the one to end it.” There are extremes to every position in a debate, that does not mean that everyone who stand for a certain position prescribes to all its extremes. In the book of Romans Paul wrote “If it is possible, as far as it depends on you, live at peace with everyone.” 12:18 NIV1984 This does not rule out defense. It says don’t start it if you have a choice. That is the Christian way!

  • CGriff

    One thing you MUST give to Ron Paul. Unlike every other god dam— politician he does not change his tune to fancy others. That is proven by all the posts here. Ron Paul is the same guy he was years ago. I may not agree with him 100% of the time. But I agree with him 80% of the time.

    I bet dollars to donuts if Paul had linked the continuation of said unconstitutional wars to the idiot in chief Obama, most of the people here would be agreeing with him based solely on their partisan disposition.

    • Governor Squid

      Not if he was dancing on a good man’s grave while he did it.

    • TocksNedlog

      One thing I will give Ron Paul, he IS remarkably consistent — ALWAYS wrong on foreign policy.

    • Calcat36

      I agree with lunatics ZERO POINT ZERO percent of the time. I stopped voting for the lesser of two evils as well. Mitt-stake may have been better, but then again… he did inspire obamacare and the fraud claimed to be a conservative. And you are WRONG, the wars are NOT UNCONSTITUTIONAL. That is your very own delusion spread by paulbot kool aid drinking. He disparaged a military veteran war hero. Deal with it.

  • DANEgerus

    Ron Paul suddenly realized sticking his ass in the air exposed Rand… sorry… not buying it. Ron Paul is a mentally ill anti-semite who spouts contrarianism to grasp at the spotlight. He has earned every horrible thing said about him and more.

  • Underwater

    I like the way he prefaces his comment with “As a veteran”. There are veterans then there are VETERANS. My dad used to joke that the cooks in WWII were usually the ones who spoke the most about their WWII experience.

  • disqus_utDuXj1ylS

    Ron Paul is a fool ,anti Semite ,and all around moron. Thank God he is not electable. He is a disgrace to every service member that has ever served our country!!!!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Connie-Navarette/100000158870577 Connie Navarette

    Ron Paul sounds like he’s senile :(

  • kobrien674

    Michele, he’s entitled to his opinion and I don’t think he was trying to be callous. He’s a very staunch Libertarian, and they don’t like America’s “dalliances” around the world and see it as the cause of many problems here and abroad. They see them as, and deeply believe they’re illegitimate, and view the deaths of our service heroes as a needless tragedy for that reason. Don’t blow this up into something personal. Have more respect for RAND Paul than to attack his dad. Let’s be a little more tolerant of people we disagree with. When we’re not we get a LOT of what we see in political posting comments with people going berserk, foaming at the mouth, at each others throats and getting all worked up. We’re losing the ability to discuss respectfully with each other, adding to anger and polarization. It’s time we started being civil to each other. THE most important thing is that we’re ALL AMERICANS, and we should be able to dialog and disagree respectfully. I don’t think Ron Paul meant any disrespect. He’s just very plain spoken and doesn’t parse his words.

  • disqus_FlD2VMR2RJ

    If Ron Paul believes so strongly in isolationism, then he needs to keep his opinions isolated to himself.

  • bob

    paul is right imo.
    and if a jesus of our day walked into washington speaking peace, he would be arrested.
    war for oil is what iraq is. the petro-dollar and all that.
    the ndaa made usa soil a warzone.

    the military is about economic projection not defense.

    google jordan page “listen” – i will not submit to the athority on man

  • James Tetrick

    How have they succeeded then? If your going to demonize a man for saying the same things you were taught as a child were the right ways to go about life. Then why don’t we see solid proof of your guys’ way working>? Because it isn’t working but you don’t have enough guts not to tow the line.

    • TocksNedlog

      How have WHO succeeded?
      And I don’t know what you were taught, but I was taught to always stick up for and defend my friends.

  • David Molinarolo

    This nutty view from Ron, and from his sycophant followers (oh, I’ve dealt with some of them, including an old friend of mine), is the primary reason why Ron Paul should never be allowed any where near the White House. The man is WORSE than John Kerry. His time in the military has obviously clouded his mind on what exactly are the responsibilities of the federal government when it comes to the common national defense.

  • GaylePutt

    Many people are deluding themselves if they think that love, peace, harmony, good will, etc etc etc. will change the world on a global scale. Human nature being what it is, we will NEVER have the paradise they envision. Sad, tragic, but it is what it is – a violent, unsafe world.

    • swiggy30

      If you show people you mean them no harm, 9 times out of 10, they’ll never hurt you. THATS human nature

      • ForTheRepublic

        Here’s the thing, kiddo: In the 1950s, Afghanistan was as close to the Soviet government as you could get without being a Soviet Socialist Republic. They did everything to prevent US interests from spreading in the Middle East. They made it VERY clear to the USSR that they had no intention of hurting them. 10 years later, the United States is sending CIA to train the Mujahadeen (or however you spell it) so that they could fight…wait for it…the SOVIET INVADERS.

        Long story short, your point is moot.

  • http://jeffkinley.com Jeff Kinley

    Hey Ron Paul, you mean the same Jesus who is returning to wage brutal, bloody war on His enemies? That one? Revelation 21

  • kobrien674

    My posts disappear completely here, although a few replies made it. Sucks when you write a thoughtful, respectful post that takes a while. Did it twice too!

    • WilliamAmos

      Kevin I banned the person you were commenting about. No need for you to continue bring up his posts.

  • ☠BossHoggUSMC☠#TCOT

    This is Paul (A moron) sticking up for his buddy Ventura (another moron) since Chris Kyle beat Ventura’s old ass up for being a douche. They’re still butt hurt and Ventura doesn’t have the guts to say anything himself.

    • UnderMindControl

      our idol Kyle lied in his book, he would not dare punch Ventura, who would rip his head off… Sorry to speak ill of the dead, he was a sniper. Ventura is a fighter. You are a phony conservartive, who should just vote Democrat, which is what you did by supporting Romney

  • gen_nathanbforrest

    Ronpaul is a Kook , no more , no less !

    • TocksNedlog

      Oh no, he is definitely MORE of a kook than ever before.

  • Tom Moulthrop

    This is why support for Ron Paul only goes so far and then it comes to a sudden stop!!

  • Mert Erel

    All he said was “He who lives by the sword dies by the sword”. I think you all are over reacting.

    BTW, I’m for MANDATORY military. If there was mandatory military, that would mean the congress and president’s children are the ones going to war, I don’t think we’d have all these bases around the world and start many wars.

    A lot of you preach here but haven’t done one thing for your country. 9 out of 10 of you don’t even take the time to go volunteer in your community for a half hour.

    • Calcat36

      Mandatory military? Armchair general! That was done in Vietnam and got lots of good soldiers killed at the hands of conscientious objectors. And I “volunteered” for 20+ years. How about you? What, in your eyes, do I now owe my community, since you are king?

      If you ever served, you would know how WRONG and OFFENSIVE that is. Did the Sandy Hook victims live by the sword professor? Then why did they die by one? Can’t wait for your excuse, I mean, answer…

  • Bruno

    And i thought Republicans were fighting for freedom, Good luck trying to win in 2016.

    I have a great suggestion for you war nut jobs since your so good talking about war how war is super fun why dont grab your gun and go into in Syria and join the Jihadists? then come back here and tell me if killing innocent people regardless of there ethnic origins was any fun.

    So the GOP wants to see Marco Rubio for 2016? good luck trying to win.

    • Calcat36

      Aren’t the Syrians killing themselves? We would only help them kill themselves faster and more efficiently! Especially the women, and the children, because they don’t run so fast. Go to Mecca with a crucifix Bruno. Let me know how that works out for you. Or hike near the Iranian border. When the phone don’t ring, you know it will be the US trying to free you. The French loved our WWII soldiers and our protection/liberation. As did Britain. And China. And Australia. And Canada. And Denmark…. They were all different ethnic groups that we kinda helped out a bit. Turkey so far, hasn’t told us to remove our Patriot Missile Batteries protecting them from the Syrians that want to KILL THEM. Weird. But you and your buddy Ronnie would let the Turkish be exterminated, right?

      We will take the senate in 2014 before taking 2016. Thank you very much!

  • higgy01

    Any follower of this nut case that still is a follower is just as bad as he is. Paul is finally showing his true lunacy.

  • celsma

    That was probably my top reason for not supporting his presidential bid, and now we find it is more extreme than it sounded during the debate. Par for the course I guess, bait and switch. Obama is the master of it.

    • UnderMindControl

      Yep. Wise Choice Romney was so successful. KEep it up, keep voting and supporting liberals with “R” next to their name

  • harleydavidson

    If you hate Ron Paul for everything he does or stands for, and twist his intent out of context, you are no different than Rush Limbaugh who does the same thing with obama, even when he extended a bunch of Bush’s policies. You are no different than Lawrence ODonnell who hated everything Bush did or everything conservatives do. You are living a life full of hate.

    • UnderMindControl

      These people are not conservatives, they are zombies, who cost us the election by backing a fake conservative Romney, because Hannity and Rush told them Ron Paul was bad

  • Cathy Singletary

    Please Ron Paul be quiet!!!!!!!

  • GibbyD

    Ron Paul needs to , : “repent toward God and place his faith and trust toward The LORD Jesus Christ . ( Acts 20:21)KJB. The LORD Jesus wants us armed and ready to defend and provide . ( Luke 22:38; I Timothy 5:8)KJB.

  • BLM4L

    Hypocrites, all of you.

    1. Remember when the pro-gun position on Newtown was to just keep guns out of the hands of the mentally ill? But now its awesome to take a dude with PTSD to the gun range?

    2. Iraq was definitely not a defensive war. No one bombed Pearl Harbor. Iraq had nothing to do with Al-Qaeda. Quit pretending that every U.S. military action = stopping Hitler and every protest against unnecessary war = Munich 1938. RP’s “Oddball ideas” would have saved thousands of American lives and tens of thousands of Iraqi lives if we had listened in 2003.

    3. Conservatives love Jesus (except when he tells you to put away your swords) and think the Government is incompetent (unless its waging war abroad, then everything it does is the best possible).

    • NachoCheese (D)

      ” But now its awesome to take a dude with PTSD to the gun range?”

      It’s known to those that bother to educate themselves as “prolonged exposure therapy”.

      From the Veterans Administration:
      “PE has been shown to be one of the most effective treatments for PTSD.
      For this reason, the VA’s Office of Mental Health Services has rolled
      out a national PE training program.”


      Chris Kyle did not simply “take him to the gun range” but was actively trying to help him with the PTSD he was suffering, as he did with many other veterans.

      • BLM4L

        1. Exposure therapy does not necessarily mean gun exposure. I don’t see any reference to guns in the link. It might be exposure to situations that remind you of a traumatic event, like being in a crowded area, or meeting strange people. Those are the kind of examples the VA seems to be talking about.

        2. Assuming that gun exposure might be therapeutic for the sufferer of PTSD, it seems awfully dangerous for third parties exposed. This isn’t like putting someone with a fear of elevators in a two story elevator, or someone with a fear of flying on a short hop flight. It’s like giving an arsonist a box of matches (to be crude).

        3. Assuming it was safe and did work, was Chris Kyle competent to perform this kind of therapy.

        • NachoCheese (D)

          To points 1 & 2, are you a therapist? If not, then read the scholarly work of those who are actively trying to help those with PTSD.

          To point 3, he created a foundation to organize assistance for veterans suffering from PTSD. Giving the level of media coverage surrounding this, I was unable to find much background on the group via google, but in that absence, will give Mr. Kyle and by extension the organization he co-founded, the benefit of the doubt and presume that they were working with the best professional therapists available.

          I seriously doubt a man of Mr. Kyle’s reputation and character would simply take veterans suffering from PTSD to the range without competent professional therapists having input on the usefulness of that approach.

          His foundation:

    • John (it true me am)

      1) Two seperate issues entirely. Treatment of PTSD and mental health disorders is a tricky, sometimes even counterintuitive, process. So yeah. Way to just be flat on the wrong side of what everyone with even the tiniest bit of experience in the area says regarding PTSD treatment.

      2) *Sigh* Ok, not going to get sidetracked into the Iraq back and forth. Bottom line: the world is a better place without Saddam. For us and the Iraqis. Despite the cherry picked statements about how bad it all is now from former Saddam loyalists.

      3) Love that typical lack of theological understanding that people like you always display. There is a clear distinction that exists between being peaceful and being a pacifist. By definition if someonce is passive, they take no action even when action is called for. And last I checked Jesus was pretty big on defending others who perhaps cannot defend themselves and standing up to evil. Laying down your swords means you don’t walk next door and run your neighbor through and steal his house. It doesn’t mean don’t fight back if you or someone else is under attack.

      As for the government line, again we have an example of the fundamental flaw in the basic failure to understand nuance among your ilk. Being conservative means being against the government doing what it SHOULD NOT be doing. National defense is one of the areas that is strictly in the theater of what the goverment is SUPPOSED to do. This is just another variation on that old gem about how the tea party wants anarchy and no government at all. Believe it or not there is this wonderful little thing called “inbetween” you seem to have not heard of.


  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000473541010 Kate Taylor

    Oh you of little understanding… the man is just saying that if we all lived by a peaceful philosophy, there would BE no war… no fighting… no NEED for guns. I wish Jesus DID run the world, but no; it’s run by arrogant violence-prone idiots.

    • NCRelite

      the only problem is there are truly bad people in the world. true if we ALL lived by a peaceful philosophy there would be no war –but tell that to the other guys. the idea that war starts and ends with the united states is wrong, we just happen to be the biggest kid on the playground, and that is a good thing

  • Andy Maul

    Ron Paul voted to go after the terrorists in Afghanistan. He rightfully didn’t support the conflict in Iraq and continued intervention in Afghanistan, Libya, Egypt, etc. This is the violence propagated by neoconservative politicians which Ron Paul and many other veterans criticize.

  • Roger Taylor

    As a military veteran who (thankfully) never had to fire a shot in anger, and as a rational American with strong conservative and libertarian beliefs, I want to say one thing:

    Ron Paul you are a fool, a disgrace, and an embarrassment.

    Charity is the pure love of Christ. For you to invoke the name of Christ in order to judge and condemn a man who died during an act of charity is to reveal that your knowledge of the Savior is as shallow as your knowledge of Chris Kyle.

    “He who lives by the sword shall die by the sword.”

    You lived by running your mouth. Your credibility just died the same way.

    • http://www.facebook.com/michael.skembo Michael Craig Skembo

      Well said! Thank you.

    • UnderMindControl

      Your a fool, you brainwashed sheep. How’d thsat lib Romney do against Obama? WE WILL NEVER VOTE FOR THE TRASH YOU CALL CONSERVATIVES EVER AGAIN. Ditto heads are a dying part ofthe GOP. WE are turning into real conservatives. Ron Paul sparked the movement. Get used to it, lib

      • Calcat36

        Ron Paul sparked the depends movement, and blunts. You sound brainwashed with Paulistinian kool aid. Mitt-stake was no conservative, and doctor Paul isn’t even a republican yet he infects the party like the cancer he is. What do you know of dittoheads, since you do not even spell it correctly? You are a conservative? By berating a veteran like that? And calling him a lib when he appears to be anything but a liberal? Should Rand become president, and decide to go to “legal” war overseas, Jared, will you put down the weed and pick up the sword? Yeah, I didn’t think so.

        You wrote: “Your a fool, you brainwashed sheep. How’d thsat lib Romney do against
        AGAIN. Ditto heads are a dying part ofthe GOP. WE are turning into real
        conservatives. Ron Paul sparked the movement. Get used to it, lib”

        Try hitting spell check professor. You’re the fool, by the way. Or 12 years old. 20+ years in the Marine Corps, kid. Berate me with your best shot! Be respectful and type correctly. And if you are reading Roger Taylor, Semper Fidelis, and thank you sir, for your honorable sacrifice and selfless service. That is something a paulbot will never know.

  • Bryan Clyne

    Well technically, since the murderer was an Iraq war veteran suffering from ptsd, Ron Paul is correct. Iraq was never a threat to us and we attacked anyways, with limited and faulty intelligence. If we hadn’t started an unnecessary war with Iraq, this wouldn’t have happened. Perhaps it was insensitive but he wasn’t wrong.

  • http://1.usa.gov/1cIb6jn GNH

    Release the Kraken!

  • http://twitter.com/WeavingSpiders Dan Perrine

    Holy shit, we were attacked by Iraq?!?! When did that happen??

    Whoever wrote this article obviously doesn’t realize that the 9/11 attacks were caused by our overseas clandestine and ongoing military operations throughout the 80s and 90s. Bill Clinton bombed Iraq EVERY YEAR he was President, you probably don’t know that. Our foreign policy during the Clinton years also caused hundreds of thousands of deaths OF INNOCENT CIVILIANS in Iraq who suffered from horrible sanctions due to the actions of a puppet dictator who was installed by the CIA and propped up by our foreign policy in the 80s…. If those same civilians would have risen up while we were trying to prop up Saddam we would have KILLED THOSE CIVILIANS. But all of a sudden when WE don’t like what Saddam is doing, we expect them to do the same? What a ridiculous notion. Now, the 9/11 attacks have little to do with the US vs. the Iraqi regime and more to do with our overall military and intelligence presence in the Middle East.

    Ron Paul likes to talk about blowback. Most people think that blowback is the term coined by the CIA which is the unintended consequences from our overseas military operations. That is INCORRECT. Blowback was coined by the CIA and is the unintended consequences from CLANDESTINE OPERATIONS (aka ‘secret’ operations that are not reported in the media and the American people never learn about). So when war hawks try and act all innocent like we aren’t doing anything to provoke attacks like 9/11, they are being intellectually dishonest because they DON’T KNOW the atrocities that our foreign policy causes in other places so they have no true metric to judge those who attack us. Of course, you’re going to want to turn this around and say I’m defending the terrorists now, it’s how your brain has been programmed. That is incorrect. There is no excuse for killing innocent people. But if our government is responsible for killing hundreds of thousands of innocent people in another country IT IS OUR DUTY to STOP that from happening because a consequence is that eventually we are going to get attacked for it. If another country was responsible for killing hundreds of thousands of people in our country, I think there would be a lot of people ready to go over and attack them.

  • Seth Murray

    As usual, Ron Paul is factually correct, but politically incorrect, so media heads are exploding everywhere and doing whatever they can to discredit him and portray him as a loon. That is easier than facing the facts.

    @BraveLad, defending ourselves? Iraq did not do 9/11. Saddam Hussein did not do 9/11. Osama Bin Laden did not do 9/11. The people of Afghanistan did not do 9/11. The United States has killed hundreds of thousands (and disrupted or destroyed the lives of millions) engaging in “self defense” against people who did nothing to harm it.

    Ron Paul has routinely spoken out against war and violence. Non-aggression is a fundamental tenet of libertarianism/voluntaryism. This does not mean that one never defends himself, but that we don’t initiate violence against killing innocent people and invading countries while pretending that we are engaging in self defense.

  • Hearns-Jackson-Hagler-Jones

    I like Ron Paul cause he is honest.,just like I wish more Republicans and Democrats would be

    • Calcat36

      Honest? Maybe. Wrong? DEFINITELY!

  • http://youtu.be/efJUFlD1S8Q DaleVM14W

    What goes on in the rest of the world isn’t our concern. A sniper is a person who takes another persons life for money. Should Lon Horiuchi be excused for murdering an unarmed woman with a baby in her arms at Ruby Ridge? No!

    • Calcat36

      Have you ever worn a uniform? Were you a sniper? And yes Horiuchi should be in jail, as should Janet Reno for mercilessly attacking the Waco Compound.

  • yourpaled

    You can opine about Ron Paul all you want, it’s only a disagreement. History is based on what ifs? What if the US never got involved in WWII? Would the world be led by Hitler? What if the US never supported Sadam Hussein in the first place? If they were suppoting Hussein, why did they turn against him? We all saw what peaceful intentions mean when Chamberlain returned with that signed letter from Hitler guaranteeing non-aggression. In the end we must ask what if? It is unfortunate to see all the name calling by both leftists and conservatives. The world would be so much better if people could sit down and logically discuss the different options and differences between themselves. But, the world is not ideal, which opposite parties are trying to make it so.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/F4HJH2AYAJHNJM3KF7VY64AQ2U Daniel

    Ron Paul is the crazy Uncle no one wants to associate with.

    • UnderMindControl

      Romney was amazing choice, you retard. Do us real conservatives a favor and support Obama, stop pretending to be a conservative

  • Charles

    BUT… WHO doesn’t know Ron Paul is a pathetic old washed up Libertarian failure. Out of I think 3700 proposed bills, only one ever came up for vote. It was defeated. What did he do for all his years in Congress.?! Drew a check.

    • UnderMindControl

      YEP!!! Romney kicked ass!!! You dumb ditto head

  • UnderMindControl

    Yep…. You neo-cons know how to pickwinners ROTFL.. Romney was amazing. Keep ruining our shot of ever having a conservative in office again. MAlkin is not a conservative, but an establishment stooge. 12 million real republicans stayed home in November, keep it up

    • NCRelite

      and Rupaul did a bang up job –how many votes did he get? And what ever happened with those racist newsletters he made money from, did he ever elaborate on that?

      • Calcat36

        Don’t feed the troll…

  • UnderMindControl

    WE will NEVER vote for a fake conservative again….. IF your next candidate is not like Paul….. You will lose and lose and lose. We reject the establishment liberal Republicans, NEVER will we bvote in another Bush or Romney

  • UnderMindControl

    Gotta love Hannity like Republicans who NEVER LEARNED a thing from the election. WE ARE NOT GOING TO EVER VOTE FOR A NEO-CON AGAIN. EVER AGAIN. Dems will win for decades because of you brainwashed neo-cons. You f*ckers are dumber than Obama voters. KEEp attacking Rand and Ron Paul… And say hello to president Biden LOL. I like 12 million other CONSERVATIVES stayted home in November. and we will contibue to do so, until the neo-cons are removed from the party FOREVER

  • UnderMindControl

    Who got this idea that Paul is against defending America? You idiots still defend Iraqi intervention? Paul is against Globalist nation building….. Why in that case are you not backing Obama’s war in Africa, Libya and Pakistan? You fools will never get it, will you…. How many more defeats? How many more times will the Liberals embarass us. You fake cons deserve it, we will NEVER EVER EVER vote for a Romney-like Republican who is a fake UN serving Globalist stooge. Tell it to Rush, Beck and the rest of the fake conservatives

  • Ookook Eekeek

    if a legendary stunt car driver was run over by another crazed stunt car driver on a movie set, it would be tragic, but not so surprising

  • An American Veteran

    I am a Disabled Veteran and while I do not agree with Ron Paul on his first tweet, this one I do. How many of you here have had to watch your buddy die or have his/her limbs blown off? How man of you here have heard the cries of pain, cries for their mothers when they are wounded, how many here have had to care for those who were once able to feed themselves, clothe themselves, wash themselves but now have to rely on someone else to do the basic functions in life? I am a retired Veteran, unless you have experienced these sort of things, lived this life, then by what experience do you base your comment on? Chris Kyle is my brother just like Ron Paul a Veteran, Ron Paul is far from anti-military, he doesn’t want us dying for another Country’s benefit. Being a Disabled Retired Veteran, I look back at my Service, I love my country and would do it again but I question the policies of all these politicians when they send us to die.

  • $36103485

    He fought a war so that the Shia’a and Iran can control Iraq.

    • Calcat36

      And uninformed.

  • $36103485

    Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and The Iranian Supreme Council would like to thank Chris Kyle and his fellow servicemen for their help in defeating the hated Sunni’s in Mesopotamia. Iraq shall henceforth be ruled from Basra and not Baghdad.

    • Calcat36

      You are sick.

      • $36103485

        I may be sick and uninformed but the Shia’a rule Iraq and they are puppets of Iran. Nice way of avoiding the FACTS.

        • Calcat36

          We abandoned Iraq for barry soetoro’s political gain. And wake up. Your party is trying to establish sharia HERE! In the courts! I avoid nothing. I was there, were you? As far as Shia controlling Iraq, those factions will all turn on each other. They are all puppets. As is Pakistan.

          • $36103485

            Hell no I wasn’t there and I’m sorry you wasted your time there. No fan of saddam but he was way better for our interests than the Shiite Al-Malaki. Waste of lives and treasure. Wasted.

  • http://www.facebook.com/kandy.florentine Kandy Florentine

    I am seriously starting to wonder if Ron Paul is getting old and losing it a bit…..

  • $5326605

    Screw Ron Paul! And any son a piece of dung like Ron Paul raised is dead to me as well!

  • $23629333

    How far should we go with this “policy of non-violence”? Perhaps back to the very start of humanity? Should that policy have been extended to include all other species? If so, what might humanity look like today – assuming the four-legged carnivores agreed to this policy of non-violence, and humanity survived? Would we – the remaining humans – be living in caves and spending our waking hours seeking to fill our bellies?

  • Cruz2016!!!

    Have all you crazy Paul bots figured out the man is …..nuts….yet? What more does it take to prove this?

    • AdoEdem

      The problem is that they’re just as loopy as he is. That’s why we’ve got quite a few “Internet therapists” who have no clue about PTSD treatment.

      I imagine it’s like trotting out someone who’s been shot at as an “expert” for gun control. They know mall about mental illness because they suffer from it.

  • Grumpa Grumpus

    At one time, Ron Paul had a good point — even though he obviously didn’t know it.
    Isolationism isn’t practical… it just will not work.
    On the other hand, the “limited war” concept taught today, where you balance the other guy’s efforts ‘plus a little’ is a recipe for failure.
    When you are attacked, it might be reasonable as an initial response — say at the bombing of a ship you sink 5 of theirs or equivalent if they don’t have ships.
    But the successful reduction of the WTC was the second attack on it and the “umpteenth” attack on the US & its citizens.

    At that point, the kindest and most humane action would be to overwhelm the aggressor and then do minimal “nation building” after they unconditionally surrender.

    Not to stay there with a nebulous mission objective risking blood and treasure to attain poorly defined goals.

  • Erica Mathis

    “Thankfully, he avoided giving wrongheaded psychiatric advice to veterans with PTSD.”

    Yeah it’s wrongheaded to surmise a guy suffering from PSTD.. due to WAR,.. who was TWICE in a mental hospital (according to news sources) just over the last six months… and who SHOT AND KILLED someone at a shooting range.. maybe shouldn’t have been around guns! Yeah, Ron Paul is wrongheaded about that! lol. God, people are ignorance beyond belief.

  • AdoEdem

    Has anyone ever seen Herr Doktor and Dennis Kucinich in the same room together? If it’s Wacky Conspiracy Theory Tuesday, I’m throwing it out there that I suspect they’re actually the same person.

  • Mark P

    I completely agree with Ron Paul and if you had any wisdom at all you would understand and heed his remarks and not bash him like you do. I normally respect you but not this time. You are much smarter than that.

  • liberalssuck

    Actually I can understand his views, I do not agree but I do understand them. If we want we can slam this or respect the views of this man. he was a hell of a lot better then some I read. he does respect what the man did but not the casue.

  • Guest

    Pacifism is a luxury paid for with the blood of warriors,
    Ron Paul should be ashamed, if he could.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1133240288 Melana Pejakovich

    I am a bit shocked at the response to Ron Paul’s comment, and think that you are deliberately misinterpreting them.

    A vet friend of Kris Kyle, who is reported to have had PTSD, killed him and his other friend. It is a time to offer condolences to the family (which he did) and to take pause at how many of these poor guys we are turning into the walking wounded with our un-Consitutional and non-defensive wars (which he also did). That does not make Ron Paul or me, “a pacifist”. It means that we give a damn about the damage done to our young men — as in we REALLY DO “support our troops”!

    I’m married to a Vietnam vet, who forty plus years later still goes through his moments when he’s mentally left me even though he is still in the room — and I do know where he is. If I could save even one young man or woman from going through this pain, I will!

    Damn you neocons, who love to admire the military from a distance to satisfy your male egos, but who personally did everything you could to get out of military service and who would never send your sons or daughters! You are blind to the damage — and it’s a blindness by choice and convenience. And you are the real ghouls who worship death.

  • Don Kosky

    Christ didnt have a policy of non violence. He is part of the triune nature of God. God said “vengeance is mine”. God commanded his people to kill many other people and tribes at certain times.

  • Gunny2862

    Well, thanks Ron. I’ve been on the fence about you.
    You have removed any barriers to me for jumping down off the fence and landing on a side. I cannot support you or the libertarian party as long as they embrace you.

    Rand, on the other hand is still a possibility.

    But a Ron Paul Libertarian candidate would have to be up against Hillary or someone as equally repugnant and an equally repugnant Republican to have a chance at my vote.