The FBI has released a nearly half-hour video showing the operation that ended in the arrest of Ammon Bundy and several other leaders of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge occupation, as well as the shootout that killed Robert “LaVoy” Finicum. The FBI says that the only edits made to the video were to blur out aircraft information.

Was it a justified shooting by the police? The debate can begin in earnest now.

  • Maxx

    9:29-9:32 The moments which prove why the shot was warranted. What was he reaching for…his mittens?

    • Mark1971


    • sgreum

      Watermelon Iced Tea and Skittles?

    • interestedobserver2

      He was telling them “Hands up, don’t shoot!” You know, like your hero in Ferguson was…

      • DeplorableMessMan ✔ JesseMessy

        Maxx is no BLMer…On the other hand, nobody that I know of is saying the shot wasn’t warranted. And the bigger picture (missed by many folks here) is that the BLMers are riotously (SWIDT) celebrating over this. To BLM this is somehow titt4tatt for Michael Brown, and they be like “YESSS it’s about time the feds bring the full force of the law down on white rioters for a change (“white riot” referring to the standoff that ended last week as opposed to this video)”. The trouble iis course (and I had a battle-royale with onc such PWL (privileged white Lib) on a nonTwitchy Disqus thread) a barricaded occupation doesn’t besiege an entire city as does a riot. Moreover, I asked this PWL why he bothers equating the Oregon Patriots with BLM when we (he & I) both knew that he’d scream blue murder if the full force of the law DID come down as hard on BLM as it did in Oregon, so why (I asked) the double-standard[?]. Naturally, he couldn’t argue anymore, so out came the name-calling (#BecauseShutUp).

        • interestedobserver2

          Obviously, I don’t know Maxx, but his comment came across that way, so I responded that way. If I owe him an apology, and he tells me so, I’ll certainly provide one.

          Whether it was warranted or not, doesn’t really matter much at this point, except as an arguing point — the guy involved is dead now. Bottom line, I suspect that the dead guy made some sort of gesture that was at least interpreted as potentially hostile by someone pointing a gun at him. This is NEVER a good idea — as many of the “heroes” touted by BLM have had ample reason to discover. You can always argue about your rights later, but if you’re dead, it won’t matter if you win or lose that later argument… Heck, even in a traffic stop, I always make sure both my hands are in plain sight at all times, and I always tell the cop if I’m going to move; “I have to reach into the glove compartment to get my insurance papers, officer. Is that all right?” I want that cop to feel REALLY safe when he’s with me, ya know?

          It’s like some black comedian (Chris Rock? I don’t remember off the top) once said. If you don’t want to get shot by a cop, don’t do stupid s**t.

          • DeplorableMessMan ✔ JesseMessy

            Yep, LOL, I share that Chris Rock video on my Facebook-page from time to time.

    • jaded

      But if you look, he isn’t even looking in their direction, he dances around oddly and then is shot–whether for the second or first time, who knows. If someone wanted to shoot and kill the officers, he wouldn’t have come out of the vehicle with his hands up, he would have been ready to fire. I find the whole thing disturbing. I don’t necessarily side with this group, I don’t know enough about it but I just find this troubling.

      • John Galt

        I think you’re trying to apply rational actions to an irrational situation. He may well have been trying to position himself so that he could draw and fire with as much stealth as possible. Maybe he intended to surrender and all of a sudden changed his mind. Maybe he was trying to commit suicide by cop. Who knows exactly why a jacked-up guy behaved the way he did, every single action. Maybe he didn’t know what he was trying to do.

        Is it possible he got shot and he had no intention of drawing on the cops? Sure, but that’s why you do EXACTLY as the cops say, very slowly and with NO threatening or sudden moves. I can tell you, if a cop tells me to put my hands up or on my head, there they will stay.

        The other three managed to exit the truck and get taken in without being shot. Remember, this guy told others that he would die before being taken alive. He got his wish.

        • jaded

          I am troubled by the whole thing. I don’t think the video is positively clear though. I think suicide by cop is very likely, considering the witness account (saying he was telling them to shoot him).

        • jaded

          there were four others in the vehicle, the other Ryan (not Bundy) was shot in the shoulder (probably during one of the times the vehicle was fired on). I never saw him exit the vehicle in the video (I may have missed something in the very end).

        • jwoop66

          Yes, it was an irrational situation. The cops knew these guys had been saying they would fight, so the cops set them up for an ambush. They told them they would be able to go to some meeting in town. The cops set up road blocks on the way in. The road block at the shooting was on the far side of a curve in the road. Finicum couldn’t see till the last minute, obviously, that is why he went off the road. The brave cops were waiting in ambush. They were in the woods, ready. The cop he almost “ran over” ran in front of the truck??!! Stupid fuck.

          The bundy people were some misguided folks. They had a good cause, they just had a poorly planned protest. Unless of course you think the govt should just be able to harass and chase ranchers off their land like an old cowboy movie?

          The cops are degenerate scum. They did not need to provoke an encounter. Its not as if the bundy people were rioting in an urban area and burning cars and businesses. The cops could have waited these guys out, but instead assassinated them. Treasonous disgraceful POS’s.

          • John Galt

            Ah yes, the irrational leftist, perfect in his hindsight is heard from.

          • jwoop66


            you dumbass….. As in why do we have a federal police force(fbi) that consistantly violates the law to entrap and murder citizens? Hmmmm? didn’t those same brave men sell guns to mexican drug dealers?

            We share the right wing, but I don’t think we need sheep on this side.

          • John Galt

            We have a “federal police force” because we have federal laws, nitwit.

            “Constantly murders citizens”??? Exaggerate much?

          • jwoop66

            Waco? Oh, that was ATF…..big difference. Randy Weavers wife, son and dog? How much is too much? sheep.

          • Julia1972

            They had an ILLEGAL protest. They broke an entering and took over a building that did not belong to them. There were warrants for their arrests. THAT is why they were stopped.

      • founding_ideals

        0000: Video starts with White vehicle on empty road. Pursuing black car can be see several car lengths back. Cannot tell if lights/siren are on

        0048: White vehicle slows way down

        0053: White vehicle moves to center of road and is moving at a crawl. 2 Pursuit vehicles come into view with flashing lights on

        0107: White vehicle stops

        0133: Camera moves in toward first pursuit vehicle (SUV). White vehicle still in frame. Black vehicles have lights still flashing

        0139: Officers can be seen behind the open doors of the lead vehicle.

        0150: Second black vehicle is a van of some sort, at least 2 officers stacked on the RHS

        0155: Third officer comes from behind van toward RHS with k9 unit and joins officers

        0204: Resolution isn’t clear enough to distinguish but the passenger in the white vehicle either has hands or head out (ie window open)

        0217: Something is sticking out of the driver side window, most likely drivers left arm and hand. Nothing visible from RHS of white vehicle

        0240: Jump shot most likely caused by operator changed a view mode (ie magnification). Video returns with wide angle view of scene, operator looking for something

        0246: Focuses on other LEO vehicles and then pans up and down road. It cannot be determined at this time if these are forward or behind current active scene

        0301: Another Jump shot to high magnification. Zeros in on LEO vehicles roadway and works it’s way down road until if finds stopped civilian jeep (3:14)

        0336: Camera follows from jeep back to scene. It is clear from this angle that these are vehicles back behind scene.

        0342: White vehicle is clearly a quad cab pick up with a top over the rear bed. The drivers can be scene looking toward camera arms last seen outside of window appear to be back in vehicle

        0347: Brake lights illuminate on the white truck.

        0354: Officers on right hand side of Van can be seen forward of their vehicle, weapons drawn. K9 unit is still in this group

        0359: Officer can be CLEARLY SEEN leading someone to back of their vehicles with their hands ON THEIR HEAD. It appears that at least 1 person got taken into custody at this point while camera was away. (Dash Cams?)

        0407: One officer with weapon drawn and RTF flanks to the RHS of white truck before returning to the front of black van and moving his weapon into LRP

        0425: Resolution here is good enough to verify that LEO units have full tactical gear & helmets on.

        0445: Jump shot magnification moves out

        0548: Jump shot back to higher magnification on white truck

        0556: Jump shot magnification moves out

        0621: Jump shot back to higher magnification on white truck

        0635: Drivers head can be seen moving and turning toward open window LHS of vehicle. Speaking to officers?

        0648: Jump shot magnification moves out

        0702: At least one person laying face down on the road in hand cuffs to the rear of the black van. Possibly being searched

        0741: Jump shot back to higher magnification on LHS of white truck

        0804: Drivers head is moving, appears to be talking out of open window.

        0811: Flash (from behind truck?), source is not on camera

        0812: Brake lights go out on white truck

        0813: Driver puts hands on wheel and vehicle begins to move.

        0818: Jump shot magnification moves out tracks white truck

        0830: Jump shot magnification moves out tracks white truck. Most of the time traveling on double yellow lines and around curves

        0912: Brakes come on as exiting curve and stay on. This is probably first time drive could see road block.

        Tactical mistake, the road block should have been on a longer straighter part of the road to give a vehicle time to slow down. Setting up at the exit of a curve is more of an ambush tactic.

        0915: Vehicle veers left as officers can be clearly seen on the RHS of the road block. (IMHO driver trying to avoid loss of life here) Brakes lights still on and have not gone out.

        0916: Officer previously hidden from view appears from behind back of truck on LHS and runs TOWARD white vehicle. (He’s damn lucky he wasn’t hit) Brakes still on.

        0917: White Truck goes further off road. Brake lights still on. Lots of snow was thrown up indicative of both the speed and depth of snow.

        0918: Camera moves back to pursuing black vehicle as it approaches scene

        0921: Driver exist LHS of white truck with both hands up.

        0926: Driver walks with both hands up toward the road and to the left of the stopped white truck. Truck has brake lights of and is motionless.

        0929: Drivers left hand goes down and right hand goes across body then they go back up. (Is he trying to comply with instructions? Really bad cross draw?)

        0930: Driver faces officer that entered roadway both hands go up and away from body for 2nd time, another officer comes out directly behind driver (at his 6 o’clock position)

        0931: Drivers hands go both toward his body and away as he turns to try to face 2nd officer in snow up to his mid calf to knees (is he trying to maintain balance in deep snow as he turns?)

        0934: Driver falls and does not move. Officer reaction is clear that he has been shot. It is unclear which officer fired (Direction of body not an indicator here based on movement prior to shooting and snow up to his knees)

        0935: No movement of driver as police turn their attention to truck.

      • interestedobserver2

        I don’t know the whole story yet either — and unlike the BLM crowd, I’m willing to wait until all the facts are in before I pass judgement. But I do know this (speaking as a combat vet) — people do weird stuff under stress all the time, and sometimes its the stupidest possible thing they can do. Whether that applies more to the dead man here, or the cop(s) that shot him, is for an investigation to decide, but there’s no telling what was really going through the dead man’s mind in those seconds before he was killed.

        • jaded

          yep, I’m in total agreement.

    • jaded

      trying to respond again, since twitchy seems to like to throw words into moderation! GRR!
      But if you look, he isn’t even looking in their direction, he dances around oddly and then is sh0t–whether for the second or first time, who knows. If someone wanted to sh00t, he wouldn’t have come out of the vehicle with his hands up, he would have been ready to fire. I find the whole thing disturbing. I don’t necessarily side with this group, I don’t know enough about it but I just find this troubling.

      • founding_ideals

        “Dancing Around” == Walking in deep snow after plowing into snow bank. Obviously he’s being yelled at from 2 directions, he tries to face one and then the other.Obviously reached into a pocket, but we don’t have audio. Were folks demanding ID? Was he threatening?

        • MoxieLouise1

          I don’t know what happened and without audio it’s hard to tell. He did reach into his jacket but for all I know the Feds were yelling at him to lay his weapon on the ground, while others were yelling hands up. I don’t know, but he didn’t look like he was making all the moves necessary to fight back…he didn’t dive, spin, dodge, etc. Could have been a failure to communicate with fatal consequences.

          • Perso Nasplit

            Thats why, like in baseball, someone needs to call that they got it, and the others back up, but dont try and take control.

          • genes ✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ ᵈᵉᵖˡᵒʳᵃᵇˡᵉ

            Quite a few videos of SWAT raids gone bad, you hear 3 or 4 people yelling orders. Mostly contradicting each other.

        • John Galt

          He already came close to mowing down an agent, that makes him hostile. He was known to have said that he wouldn’t be taken alive. Unless audio or other video proves otherwise, I side with justified shooting.

          • Stephen L. Hall

            I suspect you are correct, but founding_ideals has a point about him obviously trying to respond to the emergence of the guy behind him. I would be very interested in hearing the testimony and audio.

          • Walknot

            video starts as the vehicle comes in contact with the agent from the fact that the vehicle ended up in the snowbank, it looks like he avoided the agent who stepped in front of the vehicle.

          • interestedobserver2

            I think I’ll wait before passing judgement. I just feel its time we let all the facts come out in at least one case before we all decide the case right here and now. So, let’s just wait and see what the audio and dash cams show (if any of those ever make it into the public eye).

          • jwoop66

            stupid agent ran in front of his truck.

          • John Galt

            It’s possible that he thought the truck was going to ram the other vehicles, and in the drag of the snow, he got out of the way of that potential collision, then could not change directions fast enough. Sorry, I just don’t believe that an agent knowingly leaped IN FRONT of a vehicle intentionally.

          • jwoop66

            Still his fault. Stupid agent ran in front of the truck.

    • Perso Nasplit

      mittens, kittens, or a gun, you’re right. The cops were warranted. If BLM taught us ANYTHING, its “dont let a cop even remotely think you intend them harm”

    • jwoop66

      Or maybe he was reaching for the brand new bullet wound he received from that brave officer.

  • genes ✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ ᵈᵉᵖˡᵒʳᵃᵇˡᵉ

    “The FBI says that the only edits made to the video were to blur out aircraft information.”
    FBI and BATF lied about Waco.

    • globalcrap

      Remember Ruby Ridge, and the mother holding the baby in her arms.

      • genes ✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ ᵈᵉᵖˡᵒʳᵃᵇˡᵉ

        Started when the Fed shot the kids dog for no good reason. According to one of the BATF agents, the Davidians fired first but he thought they mistook the shots fired by the team killing the dogs as being at the compound. IOW the FEDS started the shooting.

        In several hours of watching news coverage, I never once heard the .50 BMG the feds claimed was used. DID hear a steady boom from a bolt action Barret. No automatic weapons fire at Waco, 40 to 50 people firing AR15s as fast as they could pull the triggers.

  • JD

    So, are we supposed to start looting now? #HandsWereUpForAFewSecondsDontShoot

    • Krazy Kat

      “why dinnun they taser him? Or shoot him in the arm?”

  • Dwayne Mountain Dew Camacho

    He clearly came out surrendered…I wish he hadnt reached for whatever was in his pocket….He might have been even reaching to surrender it. I doubt he was thinking clearly, he probably realized he almost hit that guy…and his brain wasnt thinking straight.

    If you’re the police in that situation…you would have to take that shot. Sucks…seemed like a decent human being, that doesnt like what is happening in his country. We agree on that much.

    • justlittlolme

      What I was wondering, too. Many stories about cops giving conflicting orders or shooting people trying to surrender their weapons.

      • Dwayne Mountain Dew Camacho

        yeah more then likely…the guy in the front is yelling to drop the gun…the guy in the back doesnt know it or is yelling something different.

        Ive seen cops give conflicting orders like that….two cops nearly broke my arm because they both thought I was “resisting” but they were twisting in opposite directions.

    • Walknot

      it appears he was shot in the lower body and he reached for the area instinctively in reaction to being shot. It’s claimed LaVoy was left handed so he wouldn’t reach with his right. what is clear is the kill shot came from behind and the guy who did it walk backwards after the kill shot.

      • Dwayne Mountain Dew Camacho

        Its possible. I also noticed at 2:08- 2:10 you see hands outside the passenger side window and they quickly retract.

        The eye witness said that this happened, and that was actually the first time they were shot at. She said this long before the video was released.

        This is what promoted them to flee.

  • justlittlolme

    Did the feds tell him to drop his gun?

    • makiling_sa_cubao

      most likely. no audio. it’s their word against a farmer’s, who, by the way, is trained to handle firearms, and doesn’t appear to be dumb to try and pull a gun in that situation and in that kind of footing. I say he told the Feds he had a gun on him, they tell him to put it on the ground, he reaches for it, and they shot him.

      • bidentime

        I say you just made that up.

      • Michael the white suburbanite

        kind of dumb to run from the first stop

        • makiling_sa_cubao

          yeah it is. BUT they the FBI knew they will most likely run, in fact, they’re no cops if they didn’t. Which says they had a plan B, shoot to kill.

  • TugboatPhil

    Since the FBI admitted editing the video, the Harris County Texas DA has announced they will take the Agents involved in front of a Grand Jury.

  • unknown

    What was that about the white privilege of never being shot by cops?

    • makiling_sa_cubao

      still grainy, and an AUDIO would have helped. at on or about 9:20, the victim exits the vehicle, hands up, from then on, he approaches a FED in front of him and behind the van, then he reaches for his left side (Question: was it because a shot was fired and hit him in the left side ? remember. no audio,. Or was he reaching for a gun…on the left side). When he did, he turned to his left, appeared to say something to the occupants of the car (could he have said: I been shot ! remember, no AUDIO). He seemed to again raise his hands, then the guy creeping up behind him, shot him, and he fell.
      What, given their records of shooting up people, especially those who do not conform to this government, nor accept governance by this government, do FEDS now think the public will take their word for it ?
      Obama’s narcissism has rubbed on them, I think,

  • unknown

    I like how tweets of saying the shooting was justifiable would probably say the opposite if it the shooting victim was black.

  • Dwayne Mountain Dew Camacho

    What was that one agent doing so deep in the woods and out of sight?

    Is he there to catch runners or something?

    • johnnyc321

      Taking a leak.

      • Dwayne Mountain Dew Camacho

        I cant get over it though…he fires at him…and there are half a dozen of his fellow agents standing behind his target. A bad shot…and it hits one of them.

        • johnnyc321

          Yea now that you say that it does seem like he might not have been planning to be out there upon their arrival.

    • jaded

      according to the witness in that one video, there were snipers in trees and all over.

    • Michael the white suburbanite


  • ArmchairMike

    Hard to see on the video but to me it looked like he had his hands up and then went to his waist and if that was the case he was responsible for his death. I hate the man had to die but just like Mike Brown his actions killed him.

    • CrusadaBWinning

      You’re right. Had Michael brown’s shooting been filmed, the results would be the same. No one will riot over this poor man.

    • Walter Sobchak

      He sealed his fate when he made miltiple public statements about not being taken alive and then fled from the first traffic stop and nearly ran over a cop at the roadblock. People who do that kind of shit have a death wish, and that death wish is often fulfilled. I’ve been a staunch civil libertarian and a fierce critic of police violence for a long time, but it’s unlikely this could have ended any other way.

    • jaded

      unless he was shot near his waist first, that would be a response. I don’t know what to think.

    • rodlang

      Brown reached for the officers gun so a different scenario but this guy had previously stated he would not be taken alive. He got his wish.

    • Walknot

      we cant tell if he was being shot and that caused him to take his hands to his body.

  • Wendy Owen

    I still ask why FBI needs to go in with guns to clear out a protest. Who was in danger? They instigated the confrontation over what? Squatting at an empty bird sanctuary?

    • JosephBloughs ✓Viagrafied

      That’s why patience would have been the better option rather than forcing an armed showdown. They knew the protest was politically motivated, right or wrong. In the face of tyranny a good man gets to the point where he feels his back is against,the wall, then what? We just going to shoot them all? Until a specific and meaningful direction change actually occurs, I fear more people will feel pushed to this, not less. What’s next, guns blazing at Occupy or #BLM protests? The power pendulum swings both directions.

    • Ethanery

      The protest had armed people saying they’d rather be taken dead than alive, so it’s only natural for the FBI to want to be armed.

    • rodlang

      Don’t those squatters have a job? Get off the property which is supposed to be available to the public and not for squatting. Go home and get to work.

    • Marla Hughes

      It’s not an empty bird sanctuary. Paiutes were getting insistent because they have allowed the feds to manage part of their land for preservation and the militants were digging holes, tearing up protective fences and messing with artifacts stored at the refuge. The locals weren’t too happy at the future loss of income from the hunters and tourists, either, since the Bundys were telling people to come settle the land like it was the wild west. Ranchers and timber cutters. Yay.

  • CrusadaBWinning

    Excessive force no doubt. Why aren’t these federal agents enmass like that in Ferguson, Baltimore, and Chicago? So many agents in the middle of no where, USA and completely absent where they are really needed. Disgraceful and completely driven by BHO.

  • Dwayne Mountain Dew Camacho

    Also…Whats with the trucks? They dont look like they any law enforcement truck I have ever seen….

    Did they even identify themselves as law enforcement?

  • keyboard jockey

    This reminds me of when Bill Clinton was president. Preview of what we can expect from the next Clinton administration who wants to carry on in the Obama administrations foot steps.

  • LucienCordier

    I wonder why the FBI felt the need to fire into the vehicle, and why it appeared to be only a single shot.

  • AZWarrior

    Looks like the Feds got their wish and taught all of us a lesson about occupying the wrong people’s place while being the wrong color and political persuasion. These guys should have put on Che t-shirts, red green & black skull caps and occupied some government building. That would have gotten them beer in the Whitehouse instead of a bullet in the back.

  • tjp77

    Hands up don’t shoot!

    I guess we can expect the riots to start any minute now? Yeah, didn’t think so.

  • EndangeredNJRepub

    It’s bizarre. The media reported this incident as a “shootout.” Not a “shooting,” like they always do when a black person is involved. Yet, a shootout implies there was lead flying both ways. I didn’t see that here.

  • NannoH

    We can see this but we couldn’t see the dead body of Osama bin Laden.

  • doctorbob

    OK, what the heck did we just see? A white van driving down the road, and several cars with red lights apparently order him to stop. He did stop, but took off for some reason. The white van went off the road. After a wait, the driver of the white van stepped out and raised his hands. I did not see him reach for anything. What I DID see was that he was gunned down, and then left to lie face down in the snow while NO ONE came over to help him, to see if he was still alive, or make an effort to render first aid. He was just left to bleed out in the snow. Why did none of the cops bother to see if he could be saved? And where is the video from the dash cams to tell us what the cops in the squad cars told him that spooked him sufficiently to send him speeding down the highway to escape? Was he threatened? Was he told he would be killed regardless? What transpired? We really don’t know. As far as I can see, the guy was driving down the road, was stopped, and a few minutes later he was executed by a cop.

    • jaded

      I don’t know if he was shot in the abdomen and reached for the wound or what. It’s hard to tell without having a closer angle. I did see at the end of the clip shots being fired at the vehicle. I think this whole thing is a mess.

      • K. E.

        I also want to know more about why they felt the need to shoot up the truck. I saw NOTHING going on inside. Were they reaching for weapons? They never fired a shot…but yet they unloaded on the truck.

        It is definitely hard to tell if the dead man was reaching to his side b/c he was shot or not. I could definitely believe he got shot in the side, and his natural reaction was to put his hands over his wound…and then he tries to put his hands up again after that. Strange behavior.

        Why would a man reach across himself for a weapon in a pocket on the other side of his body? That doesn’t make sense to me, but that is what it looks like he did (if you believe the ‘reaching for a gun’ theory).

    • Arkuy The Great

      I see him repeatedly trying to reach inside his jacket. When several cops are repeatedly yelling “hands where I can see them” and he does so they are not going to take chances. This numbskull wrote his own fate here; no less so than Tamir Rice and Mike Brown.

      And the gene pool is just a bit cleaner today.

      • Marla Hughes

        I made the mistake of getting out of the passenger side of my boss’s van when she got stopped for speeding. The sheriff was quite insistent that I get back in the car and put my hands out the window. Yeah, I sure did. Slowly with my hands in the air.

  • doctorbob

    Where is White Lives Matter?

    • Sanchez

      One like that willing to die and reaching for a firearm doesn’t matter as much.

  • Jonas Blane ll

    Whitesis said they were willing to kill or be killed. Whitesis dared LEOs to come get them . Whitesis got their wish.

    • genes ✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ ᵈᵉᵖˡᵒʳᵃᵇˡᵉ

      Go back to your comrades at dKoss.

  • Jonas Blane ll

    LVPD cops Igor Soldo and Alyn Beck were killed by previous Bundy supporters/participants. LEOs made sure that it wouldn’t happen again.

    • genes ✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ ᵈᵉᵖˡᵒʳᵃᵇˡᵉ

      The same 2 people that were at numerous OWS protest sites. The same 2 that BUNDY ordered off his property.

      • Jonas Blane ll

        Bringing up Occupy Wall Street doesn’t change the fact that those two were Bundy ranch supporters/participants. They killed cops because of what they were surrounded by.

        • genes ✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ ᵈᵉᵖˡᵒʳᵃᵇˡᵉ

          They were Anarchists and were KICKED OUT by Bundy for being nutcases.

          • Jonas Blane ll

            They had to have been there in order to have been kicked out.

          • genes ✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ ᵈᵉᵖˡᵒʳᵃᵇˡᵉ

            Showed up,showed what they were and were kicked out. You must be Kapo.

  • rodlang

    These people have no right to seize control of the wildlife refuge building. And this guy was reaching for his pocket and had indicated he would not be taken alive. The idiot got what he wanted.

    • soxfan4evah

      Occupying an empty federal building is hardly worthy of a death sentence. Had they just left and not given them any media coverage they would have gone home with no casualties. But one must never question the beast that the federal government has become.

      • rodlang

        This old guy had stated he would not be taken alive. Maybe he was not all together mentally stable…I don’t know.
        The FBI did nothing for a month and it is time for these guys to go home and do their jobs or work on their ranches. That is a public facility and the public can’t use it with them occupying the facilities.

        • soxfan4evah

          Perhaps you would be more sympathetic had they smashed a couple of cop cars and shit in public. The way the BLM is grabbing up land they won’t have a ranch to go to. And given the absolute disregard given to the Hammonds Constitutional Rights why should they trust a word the Federal Government says in the first place. Any and all dissent must be squashed.

          • rodlang

            You don’t have a right to squat on public property for six weeks and longer. They had to close the facility which prevents others from walking through the refuge or just enjoy the scenery. This is similar to the Occupy Wall Street clowns that thought they could pitch tents in public parks and piss and defecate on the sidewalks.
            A few weeks of protesting is fine but then its time to go home, go back to work and let the public use the facility.

          • JMW

            Only Occupy Wall Street leftists have a right to squat on public property for six weeks or longer. EVERYONE knows that…
            Derp Derp

          • Marla Hughes

            Yeah, it’s not like someone could condemn both sets of lawbreakers, right?

  • Arkuy The Great

    I am sympathetic to the rights of landholders and of individuals to possess and carry weapons and highly suspicious of government motives in general. That said, this video clearly shows someone who tried to run away from LEOs trying to make an arrest. When cornered and ordered to keep hands up and clear he repeatedly tried to reach for his jacket. A cop in a high stress situation like that is right to suspect he may have been trying to pull his weapon in an attempt to “muscle” his way out of the situation; in addition to his earlier flight attempt he is part-and-parcel of a group explicitly expressing a desire to use their weapons “if needed”.

    My ruling, FWIW; this is a wholly justifiable police homicide. It was a “suicide by cop”. Don’t waste any more time over this one.

  • John Galt

    DLM…Dumb Ass Lives Matter. Well, not as much as the cop that he draws on.

    By the way, who was it that was painting his head with lasers around 13:30? Taking no chances, I guess.

  • bo1921

    Ruby Ridge and Waco led to an even more horrendous crime. This government versus citizen clash is rearing its ugly head up again.

  • Wayne Tatro

    you people all see what you want to see i did not see him except with his hands up he put them down and the cowards all shot the man in cold blood

  • Jerry Shelton

    See what you have about 9:29-9:32 But the cam is to far away to make it clear.
    So for me this does not show a justified shooting, at the same time is does not show an unjustified shooting. With everything else going on I am still leaning toward the justified side of things. Tensions were high, and it is not like he jumped out and laid on the ground. I just do not see clear justification from this video due to the distance of camera.

  • The DUKE

    WOW! So Obama sanctioned the Nights of Terror that resulted in the burning down and looting of cities under false pretenses but he sends out a death squad to noman’s land to get some women and men who hadn’t harmed anything.

  • Jeff H ✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ comic genius

    Surprised Rev Al didn’t show up, paint the guy’s face black, and start a new protest movement cash-flow operation.

    Hey, libs: you want more government, THIS is “more government”. Dead bodies in the snow. Gov telling you what you can do with your land, and killing you if you disagree.

    • USNbubblehead

      Probably suits the libprogs just fine.

  • USNbubblehead

    Well, it may be a ‘justified shoot’ from the perspective of the moment, but did the authorities need to bring this to this kind of confrontation? I bet if these ranchers had formed a union, they could’ve occupied the state’s capitol building for as long as they wanted. But no, they had to occupy a building that has no critical purpose. Los bastardos!!

    There was no need for a lethal showdown here.


    Everything that happened afterwards is extraneous to this. Will anyone have the ability to see that? I’m not holding my breath. Too bad the guy wasn’t black.

    • Jonas Blane ll

      If the guy was black the shooting would be applauded here.

  • Dwayne Mountain Dew Camacho

    At 2:08 – 2:10

    You see hands outside the passenger side window…They are quickly retracted.

    This is identical to the witness a few days ago, that said this happened and said that they were shot at BEFORE…they even started moving.

  • USNbubblehead

    Well, it may be a ‘justified shoot’ from the perspective of the
    moment, but did the authorities need to bring this to this kind of
    confrontation? I bet if these ranchers had formed a union, they could’ve
    occupied the state’s capitol building for as long as they wanted. But
    no, they had to occupy a building that has no critical purpose. Gee, how threatening!

    There was no need for a lethal showdown here.


    Everything that happened afterwards is extraneous to this. Will anyone have the
    ability to see that? I’m not holding my breath. Too bad the guy wasn’t

  • USNbubblehead

    Gee, twitchy, you seem to be very interested in scrutinizing my commentary on this, and I honestly wonder why.

  • deepdiver

    There is actually very limited info in this aerial video. There are a dozen assumptive permutations as to what was being said, who shot, when they shot, was he shot and that’s why he reached, etc. Ruby Ridge and Waco taught me not to trust the FBI/BATFE version but they don’t lie every time.

    Surely though they have some ground level video, dashcam/bodycam. Why didn’t they release that? Without it, all we can say is what we can see. Hands up, reach fell down, reportedly after being shot (once, twice, 6 times – eye witness and authorities versions differ on that) and died. Was he shot first and then he reached as I read somewhere? Was he going for the gun? Were there conflicting screaming commands from LE. Heck, I’ve seen videos of some LE take downs where even calmly sitting in my living room I can’t figure out what the heck the officers are expecting the bad guys to do. And those are supposedly good actions by LE.

    I am not at all ready to make any declarative statement about good/bad shoot until I see that ground level video, hopefully with audio, which has to exist in such a well planned ambush. There is just no reason to accept what the FBI/ATF reports at face value, especially in the Obama era. But that in no way is any type of exoneration of Finicum or the rest of the protesters.

  • Beaumarino

    He was pushed to the breaking point by a heavy handed federal government. He was interfering with Obama’s plan to fundamentally change America.

    • Domhnall J. Deplorable!!!

      He was a threat to hussein. He was assassinated and the video was released in an attempt to intimidate the people. This is stalinism on steroids.

  • Meatzilla ✓ᴵᴿᴿᴱᴰᴱᴱᴹᴬᴾᴸᴼᴿᴬᴮᴸᴱ

    Bushwhacked from behind — unawares and with hands up.
    I wonder how many hellfire missiles their combat drone was carrying, too.
    God help us all. God save America.

  • setnaffa

    If he didn’t have a gun in his hand, I hope the cop(s) who shot him feel bad enough to quit being cops and take up something that doesn’t involve shooting people.

  • Sam Coy

    Why weren’t non-lethal methods employed to take down Finicum? Nobody had mace/pepper spray, mace/pepperball paintguns, tazers, beanbag rounds, anything? No, they had a bloodlust, and executed a man.

  • constitutionminded

    Does it seem that these things happen during a democrat administration?