A pair of snap polls conducted after the vice presidential debate declared different winners, but viewers who stayed awake to catch MSNBC’s focus group of eight undecided voters in Virginia universally declared all of them losers.

Ironically, anti-bullying advocate Dan Savage was among the most savage in his disdain.

For what it’s worth, of the eight, five declared Biden the winner, one gave the debate to Ryan, and two called it a draw. Viewers had little patience for the group, though.