Doesn’t seem like a point that anyone would need to make, this is the world we’re living in:

The geniuses on the Washington Post editorial board have weighed in on the economics of the Affordable Care Act, and here’s what they’ve concluded: It’s the free market at work, baby!

The ACA won’t leave everyone better off. There will be a few people who will end up having to pay more than they used to for access to networks of comparable size. There are also some places that don’t have enough competitors in the marketplace, which means some people won’t have every option.

Still, Republicans, many of whom claim to favor market approaches to expanding health-care coverage but oppose excluding patients with preexisting conditions, can’t credibly balk at the natural results of competition organized under those very principles. No one can expect low premiums and near-unlimited service, particularly in a system designed to spread costs around so that the sick and the old can finally obtain decent health coverage from private insurers. That’s not a mistake. It’s economics.

Oh … is that what it is?

Just the sort of astute analysis we’ve come to expect from WaPo.

You can if you’re a lapdog.

  • NRPax

    You poor little confused dears. The system we used to have, before the government helped us, was a closer example to the free market.

    • JBE

      I shudder at the thought of a fully open insurance market,

      • NRPax

        Are you saying that we need more government control like we are getting now?

        • nc ✓s & balances

          Well, isn’t it obvious that the government is more trustworthy and efficient than the marketplace?

          (Do I really need to sarc tag this?)

          • NRPax

            No no…I’ve seen enough of your posts that I added it on my own.

          • Jay Stevens

            No. In addition to seeing a lot of your posts, you have a 7 upvote/comment average – not as good as NRPax, but pretty good.

          • nc ✓s & balances

            You never know who will misinterpret you in these kind of forums.

      • http://twitter.com/thetugboatphil TugboatPhil ✓Mate

        I guess you never read or heard that insurance companies are regulated by the government at state and federal levels. It only started a few decades ago.

      • nickdqwk

        So did you and pajama boy enjoy your hot chocolate, were you wearing your tiger onesies?

      • alanstorm

        I’m sure you do. So should we make all public policy based your irrational fears?

      • tops116 ✓Quipper

        Barack Obama, is that you?

      • Right Wired ✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

        Success and freedom scares you?

        Huh.

      • JP-MI

        Why ?

      • Newtie and the Beauty

        Compared to the shenanigans going on now, the health insurance market prior to 2010 was “a fully open insurance market”…

      • Zach Smith

        Does Obmacare cover free market shudders? Clearly it’s a mental health issue, but it’s probably too late for effective treatment at this stage.

      • Jay Stevens

        Why? 0’Care, which is about as close to single payer as you can get, clearly is not working.

    • IMPEACH_BOBO

      YES how right you are too, the old healthcare system might have needed tweaking but It was 100 times better than President BOBO’s RAClST law he passed in the dead of night in some backroom of congress & with only FLEEBAGGING [email protected] votes !!! What Nancy PeLOSER really should have said in 2010 before this RAClST law passed was instead of We have to pass the bill to see whats in the bill away from the fog of controversy, when what Nancy really meant was, We will pass the bill by my party only & will later force single payer on everyone, YOU PUNY HUMANS !!!!!!

      Then on top of all this the BOBOcare law is RAClST too, who do you all think is going to pay for these 30 MILLION NEW FREELOADERS ( mostly minorities & ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT INVADERS ) whites of course will foot the bill for them !!!! We might as well, whites already pay for over 80% of all money received for all the social services that are out their already thru out taxes !!!! You can all bet a FREELOADER will never pay a premium or deductible for their new free healthcare, it is free for them & on the whites dime, F**K THAT RAClST BS !!!!!!

      No need to worry because the RAClST BOBOcare is going to implode onto itself before March anyway !! This will be when people find out what their premiums & deductibles will REALLY be & the only way to find out is to go thru the whole application process to get the REAL numbers !! There is a price chart at the begining of the BOBOcare site but the prices are way off by 300 to 500 dollars less then they really are & don’t give you your true cost !! This was the part of the site just 2 weeks before roll out that BOBO wanted the designers of the website to shut down before the roll out & this was what made the website crash to begin with !!!! BOBO wanted about 100 MILLION lines of code taken out of a over 500 MILLION line of code website & expected the website to go off without a hitch, NOT GOING TO HAPPEN !!!!

  • Right Wired ✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

    Someone’s gettin’ an extra slice of cake at the White House Correspondents’ Dinner!

  • QueenB ✓

    So, for the first time ever, the American government forces you to participate in a marketplace under threat of punishment, and this is the free market?

  • Steve__Jacobson

    The WaPo seems to have an editorial board made up of graduates of the Walter Duranty school of journalism.

  • https://twitter.com/Captain_Cy_kun Cy

    Well, they hate the free market so if we just nod and agree will they start voting against the “free market” socialist policies?

    • schveiguy

      They are using the Climate Change method of description: if it’s extreme weather, that’s evil man-made global warming at work. If it’s mild weather, that’s just the ocean trying it’s best to store up the heat to save the planet. And some of the measures we’ve forced upon you are FINALLY starting to work.

      Same thing with health care — If it’s unpopular, must be the free market at work. Those insurance cancellations? Free market. Those Doctors refusing to see you? Free Market. Poorly functioning website? Darn those free marketeers!

      • JBE

        Climate is changing. Most scientists agree on that.

        Obamacare makes insurance companies compete.

        • NRPax

          Climate is changing

          Agreed. The correct term is “weather.” It happens all the time.

          And insurance companies were already competing. What Obamacare did was put unnecessary regulations on companies and forced them to provide coverage that a consumer didn’t want. Even better: Rates have gone up as a direct result.

        • http://twitter.com/thetugboatphil TugboatPhil ✓Mate

          You’ve never read the definition of “compete”, have you?

          • Governor Squid

            Perhaps he means that they are competing to see who can get the best deals and waivers and regulatory exclusions from HHS and Congress. ‘Cuz you gotta believe that they’re competing like crazy on that front.

            Of course, it’s all done between lobbyists and lawmakers, and has nothing to do with providing care or customer service. But that’s what the Progressive Free Market is all about!

        • schveiguy

          Obamacare makes insurance companies compete – said no intelligent person ever.

          FIFY

        • WisconsinPatriot

          So, you are just going to drop in and drop these little pearls of liberal orthodoxy every few minutes until we all magically bend to your will? Either the drugs are strong, or the psychosis is worse than imagined.

          • Jay Stevens

            He may be on the same drugs that Charlie Sheen is.

        • alanstorm

          By your definition, children restricted to a 6’X6′ sandbox are free to roam and explore.

          Is it painful being that stupid? It should be.

        • $29561723

          just not in the last 16 years. As far as warming goes. And yes, the climate is changing. It changes 4 times a year now!

          RUN!

        • tops116 ✓Quipper

          Yeah, the climate is changing, as evidenced by it not getting warmer for the last 15 years. And hey, remember when Al Gore insisted about five years ago that the polar ice caps would be completely melted away by now? Good times, good times…

        • jukin

          You are missing a great career in comedy or community organizating. Pretty much the same thing.

        • Zach Smith

          Central planning requires a heavy hand. Most communists agree on that.
          Obamacare makes the grass so green.

        • rosetta_stoned

          Obamacare makes insurance companies compete.

          You’re too stupid to even understand your own words.

          • JBE

            Why else would insurance companies be jumping at the chance to enter their plans into the exchanges?

          • Jay Stevens

            I dislike name calling, but …

            Idiot. 0’Care is a great deal for the insurance companies, just not for us.

            The whole point of health insurance is to provide a useful service to the consumer at a reasonable price. 0’Care enables the insurance companies to provide less service at a higher price to us. After all, what is the value of government mandated maternity coverage to me, a 67 year old male with a wife with a tubal ligation?

          • soxfan4evah

            The government bailout they were promised when not enough healthy young people sign up to offset the sick, old and preexisting conditions. Guess that’s more of the free market at work in your world.

          • alanstorm

            You really are dumber than a stump, aren’t you?

            Companies have been pulling out of state exchanges, leaving LESS choice. (“Less” and “More” are opposites, BTW)

            For those that opt to stay, it’s because THEY HAVE NO OTHER CHOICE.

            What is it about choice (apart from who to screw and what to do about the result) that drives liberals so b@$^%t, f&%@$ing insane?

  • schveiguy

    Don’t you hate all those free market programs that force you to buy a product? Oh wait…

  • Republicanvet

    Hey WaPo…true free markets are what are applied in running your paper…which explains why it is so pathetic.

    People, when given a choice, choose to spend their money elsewhere.

  • JBE

    Get what doctors you can and deal with it.

    • Governor Squid

      If only you’d been Obama’s speechwriter when he was selling this crap sandwich back in the day. If they’d known what you were actually selling, do you think the low-info crowd would have gone along?

    • nc ✓s & balances

      The first time your side, after being voted out of the majority, hears someone from our side say “Deal with it” or “Elections have consequences,” the caterwauling will be deafening.

      • Jay Stevens

        So will the cries for bipartisanship.

    • WisconsinPatriot

      More “pearls of liberal orthodoxy” to chew. And then spit……

    • alanstorm

      I’m starting to believe that you post here to make Obama supporters and other socialists look bad.

    • $29561723

      Hurry up and die.

    • tops116 ✓Quipper

      But I thought I could keep my doctor if I liked him–period. I seem to recall a certain person repeatedly promising that for three years. I think he’s the current president… but then again, he never does do any actual work…

  • John LaRosa

    WaPo is to objectivity as that infamous YouTube video was to Benghazi. (Speaking of that, is President Jarrett still waterboarding #CrappyYouTubeGuy ?)

  • kch50428

    If Obamacare were enacted by a private company, those in charge of the company would be prosecuted for fraud… in a country where the Justice Department weren’t run by AG Holder….

  • Republicanvet

    Using the illogic of the nitwits at WaPo, blind people should be forced to subscribe to their “newspaper”.

  • sb36695

    Then why was my policy cancelled?

  • Chevypowered

    If WAPO whored themselves out any harder their building may get raided for prostitution.

  • RD

    Spoken from a guy who most likely has never held a job in the free market

  • MNWoman

    ‘There will be a few people who will end up having to pay more than they used to for access to networks of comparable size.’

    What is WaPo’s definition of a few?

    • nc ✓s & balances

      Whatever makes the narrative “sparkle.”

    • H50 ✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

      Millions upon millions. But who cares, its all about the collective. ///

    • Jay Stevens

      WaPo “few” = “most of us”.

  • Marcy Cook

    I love it when the free market makes me buy a new Mercedes even though I can’t afford it and I don’t drive.

    • nc ✓s & balances

      If only it WAS a Mercedes! It was advertised and sold as a Mercedes, when in fact it is something that resembles a car that was put together with a kit, but some of the pieces didn’t fit and others were missing. Nice paint job, though!

    • $29561723

      More like they take the sticker off a mercedes, slap it on a made-in-Mexico VW Jetta, and put a gun to your head and order you to “buy” it.

      • Jay Stevens

        More like a junked Trabant.

  • ceemack

    I think these guys learned about free market economics from Matty Glesias.

    • Zach Smith

      They learned it from Stalin.

  • Gatortrapper

    The elephant in the room never addressed is the fact that for profit corporations providing health insurance will always have a conflict of interest in providing coverage consistent with the terms of the contract; occupy a stronger position that makes “arms length” negotiations impossible; are better situated both financially and physically to undertake the exhausting and costly effort of challenging their adverse decisions.

    While imperfect, one solution is to restrict health insurance markets to mutual companies owned by the policy holders. It would not eliminate all abuses or inequities but would certainly remove share value appreciation and income demands of shareholders from consideration, and has the potential of improving the delivery of services. Coupled with other efforts to remove the government from regulation and policies geared toward returning the financial decisions to the patient and medical provider there is a chance to turn this debacle into something good.

    • therealguyfaux ✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

      Explain to everyone now that a mutual company owned solely by policyholders wouldn’t have large corporate shareholders– like mutual funds and/or participants in (or vendors to) the provider end of the health care industry, those who look to buy off the politicians to make the whole system work for THEM, and not for Joe and Josie Average. Otherwise, all you’re doing is just beating your gums.

      • Gatortrapper

        Mutual insurance companies are “owned” by their policy holders. Employer sponsored insurance for its employees for group coverage would need to have the policy issued and held by the employee who would have the voting rights associated with the policy.

        If you have a real point then try and make it concise and understandable. As it stands your comment is subject to multiple interpretations and lacks clarity of thought. Try again if you have an insight and I’ll see what I can do to respond.

        • alanstorm

          Nice try at deflection. BTW, it’s hard to take seriously your calls for clearer writing when the first paragraph of your comeback is phrased that badly and refers to something you were unclear about in your original post.

        • therealguyfaux ✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

          My point was rhetorical, in that I was trying to say that it is the shareholders like the for-profit sectors like Big Pharma, and tech-sector for testing apparatuses, which would certainly (a) want to see appreciation on their investments and (b) would like to drive up the price for their goods and services. And they would not scruple to try to influence Big Government to pass reg’s that keep such a system in place.

          A mutual health care insurance company, not being beholden to such shareholders, would not need to try to influence anyone to raise prices and/or pass onerous reg’s.

          That point needs to be made; otherwise, your point is a more theoretical academic one. That’s what I thought I was saying.

    • Zach Smith

      That could be said of virtually every company you do business with. It is mostly competition that keeps them in check. People will go elsewhere if a particular company screws over their customers.
      My insurance companies have always paid their claims as expected and as required by their contracts. There have been a few little glitches from time to time, but those have alway been worked out to my satisfaction. I certainly can’t say the same for my dealings with the government.

  • tops116 ✓Quipper

    “No one can expect low premiums and near-unlimited service”

    Odd, I seem to recall the Right saying that in the face of Obama’s lofty promises when shilling this legislative boondoggle. I also seem to recall the likes of the WP calling them racists for doing so. Oh, but now that reality has set in, we should just forget what Obama and Democrats repeatedly promised before October 1st and the launchpad implosion.

  • H50 ✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

    Nothing free market about forcing folks to by a product and then taxing the crud out of said product, restricting access to said product and then charging outrageous rates for said product.

    Thats not the free marked, thats a government fluck up.

  • YesterdayzNewz

    Come on in. I’ll give you a “free” haircut. Just don’t nag about it when you’re shorn. That’s how free stuff works.

  • BigRed

    I think we call this a whopper of “Amazonian” proportions.

  • LinTaylor ✓vitrified

    “Free market” implies there’s a choice involved. Where’s the alternative to Obamacare?

    • Jay Stevens

      Alternative:
      Go without and pay the IRS fine tax.

      0’Care is predicated on the proposition that you can make anyone do anything provided the alternative is worse.

  • teamfrazzled

    Actually surface temps haven’t increased in almost 17 years, dire predictions that were supposed to already be well underway and were supposed to be so undeniably obvious that even the worst denier would come to their senses -haven’t happened and won’t be in the foreseeable future. The scientists those running this scam love to quote as the “top experts” were caught destroying hard data -which is NEVER done except to prevent others from verifying conclusions drawn from it and INSTANTLY destroys the credibility of all their conclusions were then caught fabricating other “data” to better match the theory and then discussing the need to keep falsifying it in the future in emails to each other. Scientific fact is never EVER determined by how many agree-irrelevant entirely. But the majority of those scientists whose area of expertise is actually climate and weather -DISAGREE that it even exists, much less that man is responsible for it to exclusion of the hundreds of known variables and thousands of unknown variables! And the unknown variables are clearly even more important than the known ones because scientists still have no idea why the earth entered or left ANY ice age EVER so pretending they know it all now and it’s the existence of man who is now more powerful than NATURE itself is not only obscenely ludicrous -it’s a multiple-trillion dollar scam the left only loves because they view it as a major means of redistribution of wealth from those who created it to those who didn’t. Period. And they will ride this scam until even the most fervent Kool Aid drinker cannot deny the truth that the SCIENCE isn’t backing up the THEORY anywhere. When the science doesn’t back up the theory and reality on the ground -like the fact surface temps haven’t increased AT ALL in nearly 17 years, then it is the THEORY that is wrong, not the science! Those insisting we ignore the facts for the theory are nothing but the useful idiots of the left (their own pet name for them, not mine) or power hungry scam artists trying to pick your pocket clean no matter what. Al Gore, a long standing and well known pathological liar belongs in prison.

    But HEY, a majority of entomologists think global warming is a fact and it’s all man’s fault! What about THAT? It’s like insisting the opinion of a proctologist about how to remove your brain tumor is equal to that of a neurosurgeon. But then again, maybe it really is in some cases…

  • Stephen L. Hall #NonquamTrump

    “free market” does NOT mean a market for “free” government giveaways.

  • http://twitter.com/THE_DAILY_BLEAT VACUOUS CIPHER

    Give yourselves a Pants-On-Fire Drudge Siren Alert maximum Al Gore “Trillion” Pinocchios. #Idiots

  • mhojai

    They have such confidence that their base has been so totally brainwashed, they are free to say anything to the brain dead sycophants and expect it to be mindlessly accepted and regurgitated.
    Truly appalling!

  • blockthiscnn

    Wasn’t this op-ed originally on The Onion?

  • http://www.grouchyconservativepundits.org/ Rusty Bill

    “Free market”

    I do not think it means what WaPo thinks it means.

  • Samantha Pfaff

    Is my calendar wrong, and today is actually April Fools Day?