When you’ve lost Hollerin’ Howard Dean, it may be time to rethink some things.

In 2009, Sarah Palin coined the term “death panels” as a more accurate name for Obamacare’s Independent Payment Advisory Board, or IPAB. Palin was widely ridiculed for her claim, but today, Howard Dean, of all people, is suggesting that she was on to something. After initially dismissing Palin’s credibility and assailing her for her remarks, the fist-pumping firebrand is coming out forcefully today against the IPAB:

Dean makes it clear that, to him, the Affordable Care Act holds a great deal of promise. But he has no doubt that the IPAB is a disaster in the making:

One major problem is the so-called Independent Payment Advisory Board. The IPAB is essentially a health-care rationing body. By setting doctor reimbursement rates for Medicare and determining which procedures and drugs will be covered and at what price, the IPAB will be able to stop certain treatments its members do not favor by simply setting rates to levels where no doctor or hospital will perform them.

The IPAB will cause frustration to providers and patients alike, and it will fail to control costs. When, and if, the atmosphere on Capitol Hill improves and leadership becomes interested again in addressing real problems instead of posturing, getting rid of the IPAB is something Democrats and Republicans ought to agree on.


Will Dean’s views generate the same uproar from the Left that Palin’s did?

So do we. In the meantime, here’s a solution that will assuage all our concerns:


  • https://twitter.com/Captain_Cy_kun Cy

    Man, if only liberals read the bill before voting on it they would have known all this years ago…

    • Stone Bryson

      They had to pass it to know what was it, natch. Modern DC, working for you.

      Or themselves.

    • Lord Foggybottom

      They knew what they were getting and didn’t care at the time because they wanted the votes. It’s all about power and control for these people, not about what’s right for the country, let alone the individual.

    • Brother bob

      Liberals literacy only limited to comic books. Why do u think all those iconic characters turned gay?

      • ObamaFail

        Marvel comics maybe. They’re definitely run by liberals. IN a recent Captain America book they depicted the Tea Party as violent racists.

      • epobirs

        In the DC game tie-in series, ‘Injustice – Gods Among Us,’ Catwoman, a violent career criminal, lectures the US President about the need for gun control. I kid you not.

    • OLLPOH ~ America

      Sad to say this, Cy…They weren’t suppose to read it.
      All of this is for a Grand Federal Database on ‘Everyone’…
      All Health Records,
      All your Income and Financials will be inputted at the IRS,
      All your Credit Card Swiping and ATM Card Swiping per Senator Enzi-Rep (IL) will be tracked by the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau,
      A Gun Control Database more likely than not will be done by The U.N. Small Arms Treaty Ratification by the Senate,
      BioMetrics (eye xrays),
      GPS in all cars,
      GPS in all phones,
      Black Boxes in Cars in 2014…
      And the other really sad kicker for OGovt is…
      Clapper says he tells the least truthful statement possible.
      ***No one thinks just a little bit about what they think are stars in the sky…
      Just “how many” “Surveillance Satellites” that are in the sky and how long have they been in the sky, and they don’t tell We The People that they are shooting another Rocket with a Satellite on it, and for what.
      Most folks tend to think its just for the weather and the military. And just inside of 2 weeks ago the Navy launched another one…”Secret”.

      • OLLPOH ~ America

        *Think about it (you probably already have) – pull the information from all of those individual databases together and what do you have but a complete image of each and every one of us!!!!
        * Each piece of information that our wondrous OGov gathers on us can be pulled into a database for later retrieval. They can track you by your phone (GPS enabled or cell tower signal strengths), car location (hello OnStar (one example) – can you locate my stolen vehicle?), your financial purchases (oh, so you’re into intimate apparel?), your heart is weak (medicines R Us)…
        *This isn’t the country that We were raised in, how about you? We declare it Soviet Union II.

    • http://whatandever.blogspot.com/ Osumashi Kinyobe

      As Sarah Palin had.

      Now, she is smoking a cigar she lit with a one hundred dollar bill and soaking in a bubble bath of her complete rightness.

  • Patriot

    Howard Dean, a calming voice in a sea of uncertainty. (Please vote down all you want!)

    • Eric D. Mertz

      Normally, I would find this amusing as sarcasm. It truly scares me that he is a source of rationality in the debate. When “The Whako” (To use his nickname from World War Z) is one of the voices of reason, it indicates we are living in rather unreasonable times. Strauss and Howe are being proved right with every day it seems.

    • http://twitter.com/thetugboatphil TugboatPhil

      As crazy as the world is getting, it somehow makes sense that Howard Dean is making a rational point….several years too late to do any good.

      • Mekadave

        I’m in shock. Did I wake up in Bizarro World?

        • Danny Meeker

          I know right? Next thing you know, Don Lemon will start agreeing with Bill O’Reilly. Oh, wait….

    • bungopony

      Not really-it’s easy to say,”I made a “mistake””once you’ve gotten the results you wanted all along.

  • V the K

    I know liberals are stupid, but it never made sense to me that they were absolutely appalled that private insurance companies would make decisions about a patient’s treatment but totally okay that Government bureaucrats would make those same decisions.

    Seriously, WTF?

    • dcbsky

      A thousand Likes to you, my friend!

    • Clete Torres


      Everyone (you know who I mean) is always up in arms that those evil insurance companies would limit coverage, and deny payment for ‘experimental’ and pointless treatment for those seriously ill or terminal patients that might benefit from that treatment, and they were the loudest voices screaming for ‘universal healthcare’ and ‘single payer’ systems, and the loudest voices deriding those intelligent enough to see what 0bamacare would come to be. Now, instead of denial of treatment for terminal patients, the unelected bureaucrats that will ultimately be the decision makers will be denying treatment for anyone that they deem to be unworthy of treatment, like the elderly, people with multiple conditions, and 11 year-olds who need an immediate lung transplant…

      Wonder how loud they’ll cheer for 0-care when it’s their siblings, children or parents that are cut off because the number-crunchers say “no.”

      • Chris M

        They won’t have to worry about that. They will have amassed enough wealth to pay for whatever treatment they want. Or get a waiver from a political crony.

      • Cain

        “Now, instead of denial of treatment for terminal patients, the unelected bureaucrats that will ultimately be the decision makers will be denying treatment for anyone that they deem to be unworthy of treatment…”

        You can add Tea Party members/supporters to that list, anyone with even a hint of conservative sensibilities, white males (evil by definition in lefty-land), NRA members, any resident of Texas, etc. ad nauseum… It is no coincidence that the IRS will be administering Obamacare. Their criminal activity directed against conservative groups requesting tax-exempt status looks like it was only the dry run. The real fun starts when they get to play God with the lives of their political adversaries.

        • Clete Torres

          That’s why I have never registered with any political party, and make no donations to any party that need be recorded or reported.
          Hell, I have perfect cover – I married a liberal. On purpose.

          • aztectrumpet

            don’t worry, they will soon target everyone on sites like this and somehow get our info.

        • bungopony

          Perhaps that’s their whole purpose-smugly certain that theirs will be the whip hand forever.

      • screamingmad

        They have waivers……..well until they piss someone off.

      • Jersey tarheel

        They’ll ensure that the answers won’t be NO for their loved ones and friends. There is so much corruption in the government bureaucracy that I put nothing past the incumbents.

      • bungopony

        How much of a reach is it to wonder when people will start being denied treatment because they’re “racist”or”homophobic”or “Islamophobic”?The next admin,emboldened by this one’s casual abuse of power,and seeing no consequences result from those abuses,will only get worse,especially if they,too are Dems.
        How many of you,as you read my question,actually nodded,knowing the terrible answer?

    • TocksNedlog

      You know how this goes. The liberal ‘wisdom’ is that without the evil, corrupting PROFIT MOTIVE (booga booga!) affecting decisions, coverage will magically become more equitable and compassionate.

      I’ve heard that the government will be offering free unicorn pony rides to Obamacare enrolled kids.

      • V the K

        Yeah, because Government involvement has worked so well in ensuring quality education for all.

    • Appleboos

      You know liberals are stupid? Your entire party is a smokescreen to induce income transfer to the rich. They distract you with nonsense scandals, convince you Obama is going to take your guns and laugh as you regurgitate their words while they take all of your money. The rank and file right are so easy to manipulate it’s comical to watch. The current system of healthcare in America is an abomination and one in which the rich steal from the sick on a daily, minute by minute basis. Obama attempts to reform the system before it destroys itself and the Insurance companies feed you your fears and your eat out of the palm of your hand. You people are such a joke and I’m getting to the point where instead of trying to silence you I will just devise my own ways to make money off the fears I feed you. It’s just so easy to do.

  • WhoMeToo
  • Stu Gotts

    That’s the most coherent thing to ever find it’s way out of Howie’s empty skull.

    • Clete Torres

      Most likely the only coherent thing.

  • Aitch748

    In about a year’s time, maybe less, the same people who brought you this Obamacare fustercluck will be telling us that it’s time to trust these people to set up a single-payer system and not screw that up royally too.

  • nomoremister

    Oh, right … because we don’t have health care rationing now. #cashruleseverythingaroundme

    • Kaya Hund

      If you think healthcare is expensive now, just wait until it is free.

      • tops116

        Anyone remember when Nancy Pelosi said that passing Obamacare would cause premiums to go down? Well, she sure doesn’t, but here’s a refresher course (one I’m sure we’ll see in a lot of ads next year):


    • Clete Torres

      When was the last time you went to the doctor and he refused to treat you?

    • ObamaFail

      I’ve never seen a doctor turn a patient away. And my Dad’s doctor is shutting down his practice because of Obamacare. You libs just refuse to admit that your boy Obama’s plan isn’t going to do any good for Americans.

    • NRPax

      Funny thing though: For right now, we have private companies offering insurance. One turns you down, you can go to their competitor. When the government takes over, that choice is gone.

      Gee, I thought you liberals were all about personal choice and pro-freedom. I guess that was conditional. What a shock.

  • https://youtu.be/h82D5ZvcALM CrustyB

    That’s the frustrating thing about Sarah Palin. She’s always right. No wonder people don’t want her in politics.

    • Bryn Watkins

      What is truly scary is how right Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh are. Given how crazy some of their theories sound, only to have Obama and his team keep proving them right makes you want to stop listening – sometimes you just don’t want to know how bad its going to get.

  • FaithColeridge33

    Please. Sarah Palin has been right about everything she’s said. She just doesn’t say it in the vernacular of the Ivy League staff lounge.

  • Medicinewoman2

    There was a time, people would be flogged for the level of deception this congress has committed!

    • World B. Free

      Trust me, if I could only get me hands on some of them, I would love to give them a good old fashioned whuppin’.

      • NRPax

        Cane them like a naughty Singaporean!

        • King Leer

          Spitzer knows someone who can hook them up with that.

          • NRPax

            Oh look! Amazon still carries brain bleach and it’s Prime Eligible!

    • Bastiat_Fan

      they make me want to bring back tarring and feathering….except they might live through it.

  • ThomasCollins1

    It’s been three years and they still haven’t read it. This is not Dickens or Tolstoy, this is 2700 pages of legalese gibberish. The doctors are reading it.

    • Clete Torres

      And they’re running from it as fast and far as they can.

  • bbroome62

    Remember that Dean’s own party threw him under the bus for his yee haw display.

  • gregl311

    The Dean scream is one of the best soundbites ever. Want to get a room laughing, have that for a ringtone.

  • Suzyqpie

    Pres 0bama will not dispatch IPAB. Those are plum jobs for donors and bundlers.

  • Dave O’Neill

    He (or She) that controls what it will cost to save your life CONTROLS your life!

  • Joe

    It’s the first time draft-dogger Howie Dean has ever been right in his life.

    • nc

      Broken clock syndrome.

  • blueniner

    Whats the matter Howie, you cant say the name SARAH PALIN in your tweet?

  • http://www.freedomreconnection.com CO2 Producer

    By “a rationing body,” surely Dean means “a compassionate entity with the purpose of ensuring that everyone receives prompt, simple, affordable/free health care of the highest quality.” How could he mean anything else?

    • MyrmidoNOT

      a) Run by elitist snobs?


      b) (On the lighter note…)
      Dunno what you are smoking, but “whatever” it is…you should share. 😉

  • Cam

    Whether or not someone imposes their will upon another is an issue far different from whether or not we can choose wisely among our options.

    • Felina Flash

      Most people are at best, semi literate. They will have no idea what you just said. Remember that fat black chick at the Zimmerman trial … She said it best “you talkin’ ole skool , we be da new skool”.

      In other words “you more literate folks speak a language we don’t understand because my generation has little or no education and we like it that way”. Ignorance and food stamps is the new bliss.

      • Cam

        Takes time and repetition to get the message across. Also takes reinforcement, by experience.

        With any luck, the perusers of this forum have the intellect to understand that the absence of centralized government coercion (liberty) is a concept far different than the simple ability to choose between a couple of choices.

  • Kelly Bustard

    It is astounding to me what is passed off as “journalism” these days. Pretty pathetic. Clark Porteous is spinning in his grave…..

  • jazj

    Howard Dean hasn’t been locked up yet?

  • allenbarr

    Something to think about. The IRS is over Obamacare. So what happens when a procedure is done accidentally that Obama care does not cover and health care pays for it. 2 months later the IRS send you a bill after they paid for it. Or how about they take it out of your account without asking. You see this is the importance of the all seeing all knowing ID chip. When you do get a bill or when you can no longer afford your government health care all the privileged people will be drained dry of money and their assets. WAKE UP. IT IS NOT NEVER WILL BE ABOUT HEALTH CARE.

  • Stan

    Only took Dean 5 years to figure out what Palin figured out in 15 minutes?
    Seems about right.

    • nc

      And he’s a doctor, too.

  • Guest

    So then, it is possible for some liberals to recover from their Palin Derangement Syndrome.

    • bluewaternavy

      It’s likely just a temporary recovery-expect a relapse about……now!

  • Exodus2011

    So, Howard Dean has cleaned his political glasses and can see the wreckage of the DEM party lying ahead amongst the wreckage of Obamacare?

    Slow hand clap ….. clap …. clap ….. clap …

    #DefundObamacare !

    Tea Party America! Go after any GOPer up for re-election who refuses to sign on to DEFUNDING this MONSTROSITY

    #BeClingers ————> #AmericaRISING

    #WAR ———————> #CrushROVE (enabler of Obamacare)

    • M_Baker

      If you read the sources they’ve listed where they claim Dean said those things, you’ll find exactly the opposite. In other words, Twitchy staff was misquoting and misrepresenting what Dean actually said.

      • Exodus2011

        hey – here’s GOPe TOOL OPPORTUNITY again!

        I’ve been considering the lessons WI can teach us:

        It would be worthwhile Tea Party America studying carefully what Conservatives in so-called ‘blue’ WI have achieved in the last 3 years:

        WI (2010, 2011 (recalls) and 2012) has shown us that some blue/purple States could well become ‘red’ *if* the right TRUSTED Conservative Reformer Candidates are found to stand for office

        people are reluctant to volunteer for Liars or corrupt Permanent Political Classers even if they have an (R) by their name

        The Tea Party was very active in Wisconsin in 2012 (as well as 2010, 2011) ….notice they returned all their Conservative Reformers to the State Govt so that their Proven Reformer Gov Scott Walker could continue advancing WI in the right direction

        also notice that those same Tea Partiers did not elect R/R, or Tommy Thompson to the US Senate

        (they also dumped the proggy hero US Senator Feingold in 2010! and also that long-standing corruptocrat chair of the ways and means committee in the US HOR, defeating BIG LABOR there!)

        WI Tea Partiers and Tea Partiers in general will not work and volunteer for Candidates THEY DON’T TRUST

        I believe that WI has shown us what is possible nationwide … in WI there are clearly dormant Conservative voters who have been disconnected, unengaged from politics, due to disgust with BOTH private political parties …. UNTIL … they found Scott Walker

        they not only elected him and Kleefisch, (AND defeated Big Labor backed Recall attempts) but they also gave them a controlling Conservative State House and Senate, PLUS they made sure that Prosser made it through to the Judiciary (in 2011 V. the Big Labor-backed Kloppy woman, and with some last minute vital help from Sarah Palin) because they KNEW Walker’s reforms would be challenged in Court

        We need to reproduce WI in as many States as possible (blue, purple, red, whatever)

        #BeClingers ————-> #AmericaRISING

        #WAR ——————-> #CrushROVE (enabler of the Obamacare MONSTROSITY)


        give a Primary fight to any GOPer up for re-election who refuses to sign on, to DEFUNDING this hated monstrosity)

        (thanks Ma …. TOOL … )

      • n4cerinc

        humm, Dean wrote the oped.

      • http://www.black-and-right.com/ IceColdTroll

        LOL, epic fail, my little droog.


        “The Affordable Care Act’s Rate-Setting Won’t Work
        Experience tells me the Independent Payment Advisory Board will fail.”

        By HOWARD DEAN

        “One major problem is the so-called Independent Payment Advisory Board. The IPAB is essentially a health-care rationing body. By setting doctor reimbursement rates for Medicare and determining which procedures and drugs will be covered and at what price, the IPAB will be able to stop certain treatments its members do not favor by simply setting rates to levels where no doctor or hospital will perform them.”

        “The IPAB will cause frustration to providers and patients alike, and it will fail to control costs.”

        Quote, unquote.

        • TexSizzle

          What’s with the empty string at the end of your response?

        • Corey Dennison

          Damn…that “Smack” could be heard from miles away!


  • OLLPOH ~ America

    Howard Dean have you been hanging out with Max Baucas? hmmm.
    Gee Howard you just didn’t think it would weed its weedy way in to your Special Whittle Exempt Whittle Garden now did you Howard…
    Freedom is Not Prying Into Peoples Lives Just Because You’re The Government and Your Name is Barry and Company…hmmm.

    OGovt Free Lunch Sandwiches In Your Medical Field is Kinda’ Spoiled? eh?

  • DrSamHerman

    Goodbye medical profession, hello cookbook medicine.

  • Christian Burgwald

    Just think, If you are not part of the liberal machine. You will check into a hospital and you will never check out. One way to get rid of the opposition.

  • socalcon

    So, has Jay Carney giggled away this lefty comment yet?

  • DrMorbius

    Is Dean so dense that he truly doesn’t understand that rationing is an integral part of a socialized health care system? Rationing is already effectively being practised in Great Britain and other places, and it is only going to get worse as the developed world’s populations continue to age.

    The potential dystopia we face is not the Malthusian nightmare of ‘Soylent Green’; it is the seemingly pleasant, evergreen nanny state of ‘Logan’s Run’,,,

  • bill_a_bob

    So the hospital triage scene in Idiocracy is Obamacare then??!!

  • http://navalwarfare.blogspot.com/ Libertyship46

    If Obamacare is not repealed, then this nonsense will keep on going since there will not be anything to stop it. So when elderly people start dying because they’re not getting the treatment they need because it is seen by the government to be “too expensive,” who do we complain to? Who will be held responsible for this? Do the liberals just say, “Ooops, we made a mistake?” Tell that to the dead. Liberals and socialists like Obama never consider the unintended consequences of their actions, leaving the rest of us to suffer the consequences. And that future is almost here. This fall, if this monstrosity is not de-funded, it will continue on, crushing the rest of us. I hope conservatives stand tall and stop this thing, now, in Congress.

    • ObamaFail

      It wouldn’t be an “unintended consequence.” It’s 100% intended.

  • AZGunslinger

    For supposedly being a dumb broad who doesn’t have 2 clues to rub together, Sarah Palin was certainly clairvoyant on this matter. Too bad the MSM does not have the integrity to apologize to her.

  • Jeremy

    Palin was right and Howard “moonbat” Dean was wrong what a shock.

  • Spasmolytic

    No matter what Howard Dean does for the rest of his life, he’ll always be remembered as the jackass who humiliated himself because of a scream.

    If you don’t remember the scream, here’s a video of it —


  • tops116

    “Will Dean’s views generate the same uproar from the Left that Palin’s did?”

    I’m sure Democrats will denounce Dean for saying Obamacare is anything less than perfect.

    • gary4205

      I saw one commenter over at Slate call Dean a terrorist! The amount of stupid from democrats is breathtaking!

  • Tuffenough1952

    o-bammy and the progressives have wanted and are about to get everything in obammycare they so desired.
    Only those willing and able to work for the ‘ masters ‘ will receive medical care –
    The disabled / the elderly / the unborn / ESP those that oppose this regime are not wanted by this regime / not needed by this regime and if he and his progressive cohorts are not stopped will be eliminated by this regime.

  • Truth

    “Let’s pass this bill so we can find out what’s in it away from the fog of the controversy.”

  • jodipg82

    Whether or not it was signed into law CAN be irrelevant as long as the masses come together and refuse to be treated like sheep. If your doctor asks you something that does not pertain to your health, such as if you have firearms in the house, patients need to simply refuse to answer. America forgets that there are only 535 people that make up Congress, 1 President and 1 VP and a couple other idiots thrown in the mix versus billions of people. WE are the majority and WE are the bosses, somewhere over the years that has been lost and forgotten.

  • Cherub Rock

    I guess it’s hard to quit stupid. Sarah Palin can’t open her mouth without spewing untruths, just like her Tea Party cohort Michelle Bachmann, and we all know what is happening to that “hairdo.” Try getting away from Fox, try not reading your chain emails that have no facts at all, and try doing a little research people and stop showing just how ignorant you all are….


    • Ronald Green

      And we have another ‘Palin Hater’…. Have fun with it. At least her name isn’t Pelosie.

      • Cherub Rock

        Do you have anything to say that’s relevant and educated? Or are you just OK with acting like a child?

        • Corey Dennison

          Same question right back at ya. You jumped on this thread spewing bile, ignorance and hatred.

          And that’s about all you added.

          • Cherub Rock

            “The people don’t elect US Presidents, God does” – Sarah Palin
            I come in here “spewing hatred” because this women is clearly out of her league and the good people at Fox News continue to parade this women around like she is good for this country, which she is not. If you like Sarah Palin, fine. But start to take notice of the things that she says, the things to come from her mouth that aren’t true, that her fans believe because you can’t take 2 minutes to do any independent research into a women that clearly is uneducated.

        • Ronald Green

          How could anyone have a rational discussion with someone that hates another, about that person? It’s like trying to discuss rationally, with Hitler about the Jews. You’ve got nothing but your hate of Palin and a lot of already refuted liberal talking points about her. So why should I want to give you a platform to throw out all those talking points yet again? Like I said have fun with your hate. And if you’ve got nothing but more liberal insults, don’t bother. No one is ‘stupid’ here except the child that came in here calling everyone else “stupid”.

  • Ken Morgan

    when you get rid of obama ,all of his gabage will go with him and i here its very hot dowm there

  • Ken Morgan

    if obama was not paying these people they would not be following him around like a puppy doing all his dirty work.