By night he’s a DJ at Perfection Gentleman’s Club in Queens, New York and other venues. By day, he’s another dad struggling to help his daughter with her Common Core math homework.

The New York State Common Core math curriculum asks students to “Use math drawings to represent subtraction with up to two decompositions and relate drawings to a written method.” A clearly frustrated DJ Paul vented on Instagram:

NYS COMMON CORE MATHEMATICS CURRICULUM… WHY ARE THEY MAKING EASY MATH PROBLEMS MORE CONFUSING FOR KIDS THAN IT ALREADY IS! THEY NEED TO CHANGE IT BACK TO THE WAY WE USE TO DO IT BACK IN THE DAYS! THIS IS RETARDED! #nyselementaryschools #nys #newyorkstate #nysboardofeducation #boardofeducation #boardofed

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  • http://twitter.com/standsomemore StandSomeMore

    I wonder what kind of math Vladimir Putin uses. #justsayin

    • pinupartist

      It’s safe to say that Putin’s more skilled at addition–adding to his power, adding land to his country, adding Stompy’s scalp to his belt–& multiplying his advantage in Ukraine, whereas Stompy’s only “math” skill is division, along lines of race, gender, income, etc etc to subtract from America’s greatness :)

      • http://twitter.com/standsomemore StandSomeMore

        I’m reminded that GB put Neville Chamberlain in charge. His claim to fame was empowering Hitler’s rise to power. Then, realizing their mistake, put Winston Churchill in charge just long enough to bail them out. Once victory was secure, they manifested their gratitude by voting him out of office again.

        • therealguyfaux ✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

          Just remember, as Chancellor of the Exchequer (Treasury Sec’y equivalent), Neville Chamberlain pulled Britain out of the Depression, faster than FDR did the US with the New Deal. He shoulda stuck with what he knew.

          • http://twitter.com/standsomemore StandSomeMore

            You’re right! Everyone has their special gifts. As Exchequer, Churchill brought back the gold standard and nearly collapsed the economy.

          • Stephen L. Hall #NonquamTrump

            The gold standard is better for long term prosperity, though it does create certain short term adjustments.

          • John Thomas “Jack” Ward III

            In other words, Neville was a better “Bean Counter” than a Leader…In Contrast, Churchill was a great leader, but not so hot with Economics…That’s what I learned about his descent from power… Jawamax 8<{D}

          • Fairfax51

            So who do you want running the country…a leader or a bean counter? I say a leader can hire a bean counter. Bush wasn’t great by himself, but he knew what he needed and got the best at it, except for the bean counter. ;o)

          • John Thomas “Jack” Ward III

            Voted down… Voted for Dubya twice and for H.W. twice. And I was talking about Chamberlain, NOT the Bushes! As for who should lead this Country, CERTAINLY NOT KING FINK 0BAMA!! Jawamax 8<{D}

          • John Thomas “Jack” Ward III

            EDIT: CHURCHILL, OF COURSE! Capitalism would correct economic struggles in massive doses… #History101 Jawamax 8<{D}

          • Fairfax51

            I know…Chamberlain vs Churchill. I was referring to maybe if Britain had listened to Churchill’s warnings about Hitler post-WWI when asking “Why does Hilter need 3000 private planes with no passenger seats” instead of calling him a “war monger” and sending him packing, WWII would never have happened or at least been different. Britain picked the bean counter over the leader….oh well.
            Bush was brought in to show how a leader can be weak in an area (like counting beans) and hire assistants (cabinet members) to cover for that weakness. You cannot have a bean counter as leader and hire a leader to work under him…..that is what US has now…except Obama is not even bean counter…he is community organizer.

            By the way….what is Jawamax 8<{D} mean?

          • Fairfax51

            ‘Peter Principle’…but I thought Peter was some guy.

          • therealguyfaux ✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Maybe the apostle/epistle writer/”rock upon which” etc Peter.
            Laurence Peter was actually originally intending to lampoon the whole educational system, which was his profession. It was realized, much as with John Nash, that his theses had a more universal applicability. Teachers who can actually teach are the ones who are thought to be intelligent enough to administrate, and the wind-up is, they end up being not very good administrators of not very good teachers.

          • Fairfax51

            I know. I gotta start using (sarc) and ;o) more. I read the book The Peter Principle: Why things always go wrong, back in about 1970. Great book by the way.

          • therealguyfaux ✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            My most grievous fault– I was reading it as “Peter was SOME guy!”, as in making a play on the name, to say that perhaps the Church may have a Peter Principle different from Dr Peter’s one. Too clever by half for my own good I was being, padawan.

          • Fairfax51

            Never apologize for being “too clever” by any amount. Better to be over someone’s head than under.
            Now explain that “by half” using Common Core & I will really be impressed….. ;o)

          • therealguyfaux ✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            I WOULD explain it, but the Common Core explanation would itself be attempting to be too clever by half.

          • Fairfax51

            Very good! ;o)

          • TexSizzle

            Dr. Laurence J. Peter, Canadian professor. He pretended to be at his level of incompetence to avoid being promoted to it.

          • Fairfax51

            Yes, he wrote the book “The Peter Principle” with one Peter Hull. I read it in the late sixties, early seventies.

            Like I said earlier, I gotta start remembering to use the sarc symbols.

        • Kay Headley

          I was wondering “why is he blaming George Bush for Chamberlain and Hitler’s rise to power…Then I realized you meant Great Britain.” LOL

          • http://twitter.com/standsomemore StandSomeMore

            Yeah, thought about using UK, but thought someone would mistake it for Ukraine — guess I should have spelled it out 😉

      • Fairfax51

        Agreed, but add subtraction of military over & over again.

      • nc ✓s & balances

        +1000!!!!!

      • marssnw

        You have to admit thou that Obama is good at division. Just look at our country

    • Xenomorphine

      Force + obfuscation = success.

  • LegalizeShemp

    These are “progressives”, which means any current or past way of doing things, no matter how effective, is bad and must be replaced by an untried, unproven new way that’s automatically “better” because it’s new. Of course, it’s not new or better, it’s simply a method disproved as ineffective long ago, but small minds don’t realize it.

    • http://twitter.com/standsomemore StandSomeMore

      I’m starting to think it’s their equalizing of outcomes strategy at work. They can’t make all kids have the exact same grades, so they’re knocking down the high scores so they can grade the poor performers on the curve. *equality*

      • Fairfax51

        It’s how Dims do everything…bass ackwards. Teach algebra first, then simple math of adding & subtracting.

    • Bathing Suit Area

      This isn’t new.

  • Ryan Johnson

    I am thoroughly confused

    • Fairfax51

      Good. That means you are smart. Any one trying to justify insanity may not be dumb or smart, but are misguided. Welcome to Common Sense vs Common Core.

      • Ryan Johnson

        and @disqus_Dl3n3K0o5w:disqus I don’t understand what they’re asking at all! The grid on the right side, something about decompositions, I was in the 3rd grade around 14 years ago and none of this makes any sense to me.

        • Fairfax51

          Don’t lose any sleep over it. If Common Core is still in existence in a few years 1) I will be surprised & 2) no one who learned math by CC will be able to count without taking off their shoes & socks.
          There are more important things for you to worry about.
          Have a good evening.

          • Ryan Johnson

            you too!

          • Eric

            As my old coach used to say, “That guy can only count to 23 without shoes and underwear.”

          • Fairfax51

            Your coach may be right, but the guy is still TWO SHORT for a baseball team. ;o)

        • Bathing Suit Area

          It’s pretty simple, they’re breaking down multi digit numbers into their component powers of ten.

          So 134 is one hundred, three tens and four ones.
          52 is five tens and two ones.

          • Ryan Johnson

            See your explanation makes sense (!) but the way this assignment asks it I’m just like

            http://static.giantbomb.com/uploads/original/0/6228/2231879-my_mind_is_full_of_fuck.png

          • Bathing Suit Area

            Which is why it’s useless to evaluate the quality of the lessons by just looking at a worksheet without any context or knowledge of the instructions the kids get.

          • Fairfax51

            I am a retired accountant. Think I can figure it out…the question is ….why this way? What is the point?
            Yes, you can use Common Core for “simple” math, but what about more “advanced” math….life trig.
            Since you are so smart…explain to me “PI” by way of Common Core….please.

          • Bathing Suit Area

            To answer your first question, the point of writing it out this way is that it illuminates how the process of borrowing and carrying works in multiple digit operations. The process can seem a bit abstract to a lot of kids, so this helps relate it back to more concrete examples. It’s not a new approach, I remember seeing diagrams like this as a child a couple of decades ago.

            I have no idea what the rest of your comment even means.

          • Fairfax51

            How can you not understand. Simple math is simple. Common Core complicates it. Using 10’s is the process of learning to count first and a basis for math 2nd. Why does 2+2+ 4…it does…but why? My point is at this point in school, the why is not important. Let them learn math the simple way first and the abstract process of it second. Like learn the alphabet and then spelling….simple.

          • Eric

            Right, but why break down numbers into individual dots? The whole point of printed numerals is to relate a conceptual quantity without having to count all the objects being represented.

            They’re illustrating the old borrowing ten principle. But the kids are supposed to first translate the numbers into dots, perform the operation, then convert from dots back to numerals. That’s rather slow and inefficient. It’s fine for introducing arithmetic in maybe kindergarten or first grade, but 8-9 year-olds?

            This tells me they think kids can’t perform 15 – 9 or 16 – 7 in their heads. That’s rather sad.

          • Bathing Suit Area

            They’re not presenting this as a method to use for problem solving in any ongoing way, it’s an exercise to reinforce the concepts behind borrowing and carrying in multiple digit operations.

          • Eric

            So why is this method preferable to simply crossing out a number and inserting a 1 in the next column to the right? I already said this is fine for illustrating the point when first introducing math. But I was reading this as 3rd grade homework. By then I’d expect the kids to just borrow ten and re-write the digits on the sheet, not still use stupid dots.

      • Bathing Suit Area

        Are you guys really bragging about being so smart that you can’t follow children’s math questions?

        • Fairfax51

          No we are bragging about knowing that this is the hardest possible way to get to the answer. That it is dumb to teach algebra before basic math.
          Then again, we also understand we are not 7 years old. It will be much harder for them, and that is quite a point.
          Frustration leads to drop-outs.
          Are you saying you are smart because you can find the answer to a 7 year olds Common Core math problem? Then please show me how to find “Pi” using Common Core math. It is a math problem…should be easy for a grown up and it is the path we are leading this 7 year old on.
          Please….I await your answer.

          • Bathing Suit Area

            “Then please show me how to find “Pi” using Common Core math.”

            What the hell does this even mean?

          • Fairfax51

            It can be done, but I am talking about how it may be easy to use Common Core on simple math, but trying to find PI which is the definition (per se) of infinity, would take years with common core due to the number of boxes/squares needed.
            PI = years with common core vs 5 mins (max) with simple math. So why use common core unless you intend to never exceed simple.

    • nc ✓s & balances

      Damien, you are so lucky, you barely made it out in time!

      • Fairfax51

        Amen

  • Informed&Concerned

    We all learned to TAKE one from the left and add ten to the right . . . .

    Found this video on Youtube. This teacher is exceptionally creative using Bruno Mars song to teach old way. LOVE IT (too bad my son is in HS now)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mOD0F6zi-N8

  • Steve__Jacobson

    It does seem to make the problem more confusing.

    • journogal

      It’s needless work, imo. What is wrong with learning/teaching it the “old-fashion” way? There is nothing worse than having your 7 y/o frustrated because they are unsure what to do, and then here I am, frustrated as well, because I am not familiar with this. I am well-educated (math, isn’t my strong point, but still I know enough enough to assist my girls until they hit calculus.) And then, I am not sure how much of a handle the teachers have of it as well. It’s a fustercluck.

  • Hoosierdaddy

    This is so true. My kids can’t do simple math because they have to draw things out and then count hundreds tens ones… I have to re teach them the “old fashioned” way

  • therealguyfaux ✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

    Draw a number of circles for the larger number (the “minuend”, the number to be diminished) and then strike off a number of circles corresponding to the number to be taken away (the smaller number, the “subtrahend”), and count what’s left (the “difference”). Easy to figure out, if you understand the concept of the columns as being the powers of ten (although you wouldn’t call it that to kids in 3rd grade necessarily).

    But YTF refer to this abacus-like operation by a name like “decomposition”? That’s pretty spooky, right there. Pretty much, I’d like to see the whole fancy-schmancy way they’re making kids do it decomposing, but that’s me.

    • Bathing Suit Area

      You seem to have understood the method, but you’re wigged out by the name? That’s it?

    • Colin

      “minuend,” “subtrahend,” “difference” and “diminished” aren’t any better than “decomposition.”

      • http://www.black-and-right.com/ Ice Cold Troll

        Except that they are actual mathematical terms.

        • therealguyfaux ✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

          I was actually attempting to show that there ARE technical terms that are not otherwise employed in other fields– such as in forensic pathology, with “decomposition”– that are used in mathematics. They may be handy words, if you’re into theoretical discussion, but hardly strictly necessary to get the point across in a lesson to kids about subtraction. “The number to be minus’d” , “the number you minus it by”, and “what’s left afterwards,” while grammatically suspect, will certainly convey the thought to the kids. By middle school, you can give’m the fifty-dollar words.

          But I don’t want kids thinking, when they read a story in the paper or online about cops finding the decomposing body of the child reported missing a few weeks ago, about subtraction by drawing circles.

          • Bathing Suit Area

            And I suppose telling them how to “multiply” instead of “times” is all about corrupting them by making them think about breeding and sexual reproduction.

          • therealguyfaux ✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Actually, it might get them to start thinking about how Jesus fed the gathered multitude by multiplying the loaves and fishes. No place for religion in schools, right, cobber?

  • Scorpion

    Arithmetic comprehension inequality requires that you have to make the problems harder for the smarter students too.

  • John Thomas “Jack” Ward III

    I’ve helped my younger nephew Robbie do this kind of math (GARBAGE!), and it almost drove me CRAZY! This was from Capeview Elementary School in Cape Canaveral, the same Elementary School I graduated from almost 40 years ago, where I learned the Old-Fashioned way, and THAT WORKED FOR ME! This COMMON CORE CRAP MUST BE STOPPED! Jawamax 8<{D}

  • Steve__Jacobson

    How were we able to put men on the moon using the old math?

    • GaryTheBrave

      They used slide rules. (If you know what those are you are old.)

      • Stephen L. Hall #NonquamTrump

        Next thing you’re going to bring up their pocket protectors.

      • WHMay

        Doin’ the cursor, old school.

  • Maxx

    Remember, with liberals, success isn’t measured by results (Obamacare), rather by effort.

    So, it’s ok when you answer 4+4 equals 9 because as a young child in your nurturing years, you gave it your best and in the end students…

    …”YOU’RE ALL WINNERS!”

  • longun45

    That is fingers and toes math. Not suitable for algebra or any other math pursuit. But then they don’t want to teach kids math, only deviant sex education.

  • Stephen L. Hall #NonquamTrump

    A child so young that needs such an illustration to understand the concept of “borrowing” is too young to understand the instructions using words like “decomposition” and they will be discouraged because they can’t understand the instructions; while the illustration is a waste of time which will necessarily
    aggravate and discourage the smarter students (which I’m assuming is the
    goal, to discourage everyone).

    • Bathing Suit Area

      From the image posted, it looks like the child was quite capable of understanding the instructions.

      • Stephen L. Hall #NonquamTrump

        Then it looks like that child was one who would be wasting time on a pointless drawing.

  • nc ✓s & balances

    True story: I was visited my friend who had her two young grandchildren over! and we were fixing dinner. She asked the 6yr old to count out green beans from the bag, 10 at a time, and put them in four little piles. The little girl took a handful and, placing one bean down at a time as instructed, counted them out like this, “Ten, twenty, thirty, forty, fifty…” and so on to one hundred. My friend and stared at each other. We told her for the next pile, count by ones, but she was like on auto-pilot, and did it again. Finally the third time she did it by ones. So weird.

  • Evie1949

    Courses such as Math and Science are the last of the “goal” oriented courses. You were expected to get to the answer rather than “knowing how to get to an answer” regardless of correctness. They’ve been able to make English, History and Social Studies more squishy, feelly, type courses but math and science remained more conservative than liberal in nature…if full indoctrination of the youth were to be completed, they had to eliminate all “right answers/wrong answers” situations and that means making math and science squishy. Hence, this constant changing methods to accomplish the same job but accepting wrong answers as long as the “right” process was used.

    • Bathing Suit Area

      Where are people getting this “wrong answers are considered right” line from? The claim keeps being made in the comments but I’ve never seen a source for it.

  • bungopony

    WTF???

  • Amy Dunne

    There’s no material difference between today’s liberals and their socialist, marxist, and communist ancestors.

  • anjullyn

    I thought decomposition was a rotting corpse.

    • Stephen L. Hall #NonquamTrump

      That’s the Core of the matter.

  • DutyFirst

    In my day, we started by learning what numbers, number systems including Roman numerals were, where they came from etc. Then, gasp shock horror we learned by rote our addition, subtraction, multiplication and division tables, up 20 for addition and subtraction, and 12 times for multiplication and division. We were all required to get up and recite the tables at our desks and at times at the front of the classroom. I don’t recall any of my peers suffering psychological harm from the experience of having to perform. Nor did any of us have to count on our fingers or use blocks ala the ‘New Math that I saw happen with my children through the 90’s. Once we had the ‘conserved’ knowledge i.e. we didn’t need physical objects or a pad and pencil to reprove over and over again the mathematical truth that 7 + 6 will always equal 13 or that 11 x 11 will always equal 121, we went on to learn ‘borrowing’ and ‘carrying’. This was all reinforced when we learned about money. I shudder to think how incredibly complicated my life would have been at school in pre-decimal currency days in Australia if the Common Core approach was used. Just think how badly they could screw up working how to make change for a transaction something costing 7 Pounds 13 shillings and 7 pence when a 10 pound note is used. Moving on to algebra etc was not traumatic with the wealth of ‘conserved’ knowledge we all possessed. I only use a calculator for convenience with very large number list, never because I fear I will not be able to get the correct answer.

    • therealguyfaux ✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

      Two quid 6s. 5d. change. What’s so hard about that? Base Twenty and Base Twelve in the New Math taught me that, and I didn’t even grow up in a pre-decimal Commonwealth country! :-)
      (Seriously, though, I DO get what you are saying.)

  • MILEXIT!™

    Good thing they have scanners in the stores now. I would hate to have to wait around for change.

    • Stephen L. Hall #NonquamTrump

      Just wait until those scanners are programmed by Common Core graduates.

      • MILEXIT!™

        Give them $10 for a soda and walk out with $50 in change…..

  • MILEXIT!™

    As an engineer with a graduate degree…this is pure crap!!!! A clear violation of Occam’s Razor statement

  • MILEXIT!™

    Just one more observation, I think the folks who devised this method work at the Department of Labor compiling unemployment statistics.

    • Hey, That’s Pretty Good

      If one million people loses their jobs, and then they drop out of the workforce, using Democrat problem solving, we can determine that we have LESS unemployed people. And RACIST if you dare point out how stupid that sounds. – liberal logic

    • SisterMary

      Well then, won’t it be “unexpected” when the real numbers of competent math students graduate?

  • cscape

    They’re ATTEMPTING to teach the theory behind the math …… note my emphasis on the word “attempting”!

  • louisiana_mom

    Make math as hard as possible, when no one can get it then there are no smart kids while others struggle…. in this new “equality” world, everyone struggles to understand.

  • WHMay

    I guess we can break out the sundials to time the answers.

  • Jim Rasmussen

    “WHY ARE THEY MAKING EASY MATH PROBLEMS MORE CONFUSING FOR KIDS THAN IT ALREADY IS!” So which is it? Are these problems “easy” or “confusing”? All this is doing is showing why borrowing, you know, THE WAY WE USE [sic] TO DO IT works. But by all means, dad, continue to demonstrate your lack of spelling, grammar and math skills – and keep typing with that Caps Lock on because that isn’t annoying or anything.

    • Hey, That’s Pretty Good

      Why do kids need to draw a picture when the math itself is good enough? And way to attack the parent instead of the Democrat nonsense they are using to dumb kids down to breed the next generation of braindead, knuckle-dragging, welfare-leeching, Democrat voters.

    • rickg62

      Let’s not address the question of who writes the instructions for seven year old kids. It’s been admitted that they never taught a day in their lives. Let’s just attack whoever has question about method.

  • Jimmy Gilson

    This is really dumb. The person responsible for this circus needs a mental exam. Home schooling is getting a boost with crap like this coming out.

  • kssturgis62

    Hey you have Deblasio and Cuomo. New York you haven’t seen nothing yet.

  • DC is Evil

    Could not agree more. Common Core must be the phrase that makes Libs jizz in their pants. Dumbest crap ever.

  • Bathing Suit Area

    What are you people whining about now?

    This is just a graphical way of illustrating how you “borrow” one from the next column over in subtraction. It’s a useful visualisation of the process that’s been in use since forever.

    • Colin

      It’s different, so it’s confusing, so it’s harder.

      • Bathing Suit Area

        Oh yeah, shouldn’t underestimate to power of “change is scary!” in a country that still can’t handle the metric system.

        • Colin

          People are confusing an algorithm that they learned for mathematics. When the algorithm changes, then all of a sudden, the math is different.

          Subtraction is easy because they know an algorithm that does it. When the algorithm changes, then they have to learn a different algorithm, which is confusing for people who think that the algorithm is the subtraction. The kids in school, though, haven’t already learned an algorithm, so any algorithm (within reason) is as hard as any other algorithm.

          • Bathing Suit Area

            Bingo. And by teaching a variety of algorithms, they can help form up the understanding of the concepts in kids who don’t necessarily get it from the first approach shown.

            But you know, if it’s not the way you first learned it as a kid, it’s scary!

        • http://www.black-and-right.com/ Ice Cold Troll

          Name me one country which voluntarily adopted the metric system just because the population realized what a great, simple method it was: as opposed to which countries had it imposed on them by a government bureaucracy.

          • therealguyfaux ✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Countries that could only handle dealing in powers of ten, I would suppose…

    • robert anthony

      Actually, it’s a ‘war on women’.

  • Bill Phillips
  • stuckinIL4now

    This thing looks more like a rejected play from an NFL playbook than a math problem. Or–is it Putin’s military strategies for invading the Ukraine?

  • robert anthony

    Recently saw an episode of Brain Games on Nat Geo….researchers noted how the human brain has a natural affinity for numbers…even to the point you could watch two columns of numbers go by in your peripheral vision and your brain still notes which column has the overall largest numbers. It’s how we calculate fast while shopping, adding tax and discerning what we can purchase from the amount of money we have available. Apparently, this is just another natural gift that progressives seek to send backwards.

  • coneil5150

    the secret to common core is put any answer you want and cry if they tell you it’s wrong !
    STRAIGHT A’s
    GAURENTEED !

    • Bathing Suit Area

      Seriously, where is this “wrong answers are considered right” meme coming from?

      • coneil5150

        That is the new math OBAMA & Common Core came up with to make the OBAMACARE math make sense. It doesn’t matter if the numbers work as long as you tried to make it work. Common CORE also ends teaching CURSIVE writing. So future generations will have to ask the GOVT what the original constitution said.

  • GrizzlyRepublic

    So everyone complains that the American education system isn’t rigorous enough…then get bent out of shape when a more rigorous program is presented…am I missing something?