As Twitchy reported earlier today, many gun control advocates are attacking the National Rifle Association in the wake of yesterday’s shootings in Webster, NY.

Rupert Murdoch, chairman and CEO of News Corp., weighed in on the shooting as well, saying we “must wake up.”

But some tweeters wondered what exactly Murdoch wants:

Is Murdoch’s point that the shooter, who was in prison for 17 years (from 1981 to 1998), should not have been released? That seems like a good idea in retrospect, but probably was not as obvious at the time he was let go. In any case, the criminal justice system cannot imprison criminals after they have finished serving their sentences.

Or is Murdoch’s point that the Webster, NY, shootings underscore the need for stricter gun control —  a cause that he has embraced repeatedly in the past?

The shooter, William Spengler, was a convicted felon. As such he was not legally permitted to possess a gun. Would stricter gun control laws have prevented Spengler from obtaining a firearm? If so, how?

  • Bob Smooper

    Let’s face it: he obviously wants some new gun laws! And I fully support him!

    I used to think he was a vile, mean, phone-hacking, monster. But now I like him!

    • kch50428

      What color is the sky in your world? Some spiffy shade of azure?

      • dmacleo

        jealousy usually is an issue with progressives.

    • JustLikeAnimals

      I think you have Murdoch confused with Piers Morgan! =)

    • Michael Rice

      What new laws would that be? Maybe, keep felons from owning guns? Oh, wait a minute…..

    • TocksNedlog

      Of course you “support him” — you’re being just as vague as he is.

    • dmacleo

      sure, 21000 would have worked where 20000 didn’t.

    • Pappagiorgio


    • LordElrond09

      That’s the issue with you libs. You’d support Satan if he apologized. Conservatives are at least consistent.

    • Jack Deth

      Memo to Mark Cooper:

      Criminals by actions and definition DO NOT OBEY THE LAW!

      So, please tell us what adding another to the United States’ present 20,000 laws pertaining to firearms would accomplish?

      • Roger Canaff

        Lanza was not a “criminal” in the way we traditionally view them. Neither were Klebold and Harris at Columbine. Nor was Cho in Virginia, or the killer in Colorado earlier this year. Most mass-murderers are not ‘hardened criminals.’ Most have no criminal history- instead they are law abiders who just snap, or decide to kill, and then have powerful firearms at their disposal. Spengler, may he rot in hell, was an anomaly. Make it harder to get a hold of guns, not easier.

        • Jack Deth

          Nicely flourished tap dance to avoid answering my question, Roger. You may have a future in New York politics!

          So, let me get this straight.

          People who break the law to acquire firearms and commit murder on a large scale aren’t “criminals”?

          Yet, the convicted felon on parole. Who is forbidden to acquire a firearm and does. Then sets a fire. Lays in ambush and kills IS a “criminal”.

          That is some eloquent and irrelevant hog slop you’re slinging there, counselor.

        • GTFOBigGovt

          Psychopaths and drug addicts don’t obey the law either. Why are you focused on the mass murderers only? What about Obamaland?

          You will not restrict the constitutional rights of >300 million people because of a few thousand AND the foolishness negligence and corruption of lawyers, cops, politicians, shrinks and other people directly involved and accountable for/in the deterioration of society. Not gonna happen.

          And while we’re on the subject, we have cops, judges, mafia and in Harlem, African American crime bosses to blame for the introduction of heroin etc into this country almost 100 years ago. Oh, and France. haha. Did you know it was an African American Harlem crime boss who worked in concert with an African American North Carolina crime boss to import heroin directly from Asia instead of France in the 70’s, using our junkie military as the mules? And made it about 100% more pure than the Italian mafia therein destroying the African American communities? So add the military to the list of drug dealers. RAcism!!!

          So because YOU GUYS screwed up the country, WE are supposed to give up our GOD GIVEN rights of protection from criminals and tyrants why exactly?

    • Penmar

      Exactly what law do you propose would have kept a felon from illegally obtaining a gun, such as happened in this case?

    • lainer51

      why is no one surprised you would like a vile, mean, phone-hacking monster?….. shocker!

    • GTFOBigGovt

      Since you’re not American nobody cares.

  • Bob Cordon

    Murderers should be locked up for life. Period.

    • Red Fred

      At taxpayer cost of $14,000 per year in Tx, national standard, $24,000./year? I’m for giving them a chance to repent and make their peace with God, and sending them on to meet Him.

  • Bob Almighty

    Looking at the guy’s picture I would say only a Leftist would think of setting him loose.

  • tracker570

    How must we wake up?Most people are awake!!!How is it that a man kills his grandmother and he is released from prison?Why are there so many criminals?Because they know they can get away with it.Thanks to all the Bleeding hearts they have it good in prison.Know they will only serve a short time and be out.When will the Government, the courts start putting the blame on the CRIMINAL?Stop with the BS well they had a hard life as a child??BS Plenty of people had hard lifes and they don’t kill are rob are steal.So when will the criminals have to take the BLAME for their crimes??

  • whatsavvysays

    Wake up to what? A convicted felon lunatic decided to go nuclear. I ask again, wake up to what? Better background checks?

  • Red Belly

    Guns make it too easy to kill. Period. Sign this petition because we need to
    convince Senator Ayotte to vote for any upcoming legislation to ban assault
    weapons, which she currently opposes. Tell everyone you know to sign. It
    doesn’t matter where you live, her vote affects us all. Thank you.

    • walterc

      Actually I told her to stand tough in spite of the petition.

    • lainer51

      you are welcome… I will definitely sign the petition that will be coming soon to PROTECT the 2nd amendment!

  • RblDiver

    I’d think we could solve the problem with one bullet, quite frankly.

    • dmacleo


    • Roger Canaff

      To whom? The killer who shot himself? Like Lanza? Like Cho? Like Klebold? Like Harris? Like almost all mass murderers? Yeah, that would be great. If we had a crystal ball. But we dont- or at least I don’t. So focus- among other things- on the supply and access of guns to killers.

      • Mernaise

        Like the mall shooter who offed himself after he saw a CCW holder drawing in Clackamas, a policeman shooting the recent Webster murderer, Holmes surrendering the instant police arrived and Lanza offing himself when police arrived, resistance and response matters.

        The killers shoot themselves when confronted. Don’t rob ordinary law-abiders of their chance to be that resistance that can cut these tragedies short.

      • RblDiver

        I was thinking more in terms of a bullet for murderers. He had a previous murder conviction, and I think he wouldn’t have these two others had a death penalty been in play.

      • walterc

        We don’t need a crystal ball, we need to do away with Gun Free zones that are only gun free for the potential victims. How many victims would have been saved if they had been able to shoot back? Can’t say for sure, but each of the shooters killed themselves (or were shot) when confronted with a person pointing a gun at them.

      • GTFOBigGovt

        No crystal ball needed. Retract HIPPA laws, hold the parents, shrinks, LAWYERS, judges and cops accountable for covering up for these KNOWN PSYCHOS AND do away with plea bargains, early release, light sentences for the KNOWN CRIMINALS. Oh and tort reform, since I have a wish list. Imagine that. Interstate health care and tort reform and pffffft no Obamacare.

        Let’s start there.

  • Michael Rice

    I think what we need to wake up to i the liebral pudding we have been fed, and so many have willingly eaten, for teh past decades. It’s left us with a world that ones to “rehabilitate” those who beat their own Grandmother to death, but punish those who own guns and never hurt a fly.

    • Roger Canaff

      Adam Lanza never hurt a fly before he murdered 20 children. Cho at VA Tech had probably never hurt a fly before that massacre. Ditto most mass-murderers. Controlling supply has to be a part of the solution.

      • walterc

        Well at least controlling the supply allowed by law abiding citizens to defend themselves from the criminal element. Oh wait, we already do that, so we have victims instead of defenders. Unless of course you’re talking about the “elites” that have armed guards for themselves and children. How many armed guards does Rupert have I wonder?

      • lainer51

        I guess because John Wayne Gacy never “hurt a fly” before he strangled (no guns) over 30 people excuses him from being a dangerous person, we need to “control” the underwear he used to kill his victims though — wow, what a genius!

      • GTFOBigGovt

        You’re missing facts .ALL of them were in psychiatric care from childhood and known to be dangerous. CHO was a known stalker and when the court advised the mother to get treatment she chose her church FFS. EVERYONE was afraid of the lunatic. HIPPA and it’s crazy lawyers and shrinks covered up for these people.

        You don’t know about Lanza, the facts are yet to be revealed but we know his mother was about to petition for an involuntary commitment. And it’s OBVIOUS that the school and it’s lawyers AND THE COPS quickly tried to retract and cover up the initial announcement that his mother worked at the school. Why? Um, I bet you can guess LOL.

        If you were a prosecutor it’s astounding to me that you aren’t taking the position that if the mother weren’t murdered, SHE SHOULD be in jail right now. AND, IMO so should all the other parents who were so negligent towards society.

        As a successful pro se defendant, I know why I won against 2 Philly lawyers and a NJ personal injury ambulance chaser during a 365 day discovery period. FACTS count. Not how you make up narratives that you think will sneak past into the ears of the judge and jury. 😉

  • LordElrond09

    Yeesh. Another old tired guy like Soros telling the American People what our values and laws ‘should be’.

  • arrow2010

    Translation – we need to ban all guns.

    • Roger Canaff

      A toddler’s logical leap.

  • Jack Deth

    Mr. Murdoch is free to express an opinion. No matter how ludicrously ridiculous it may be. And I and countless, myriad others have the right to ignore or opine.

    So, I shall revert to the vernacular of my youth:

    “Blow it out your ass, you ass backwards Aussie git!”

  • Tel-Jonah Stern

    I’ve noticed “wake up” is a favorite expression among paranoid conspiracy freaks. Not that it means you are, Rupe.

  • EOD

    Yes, we must wake up. It is time to lock all Lunatics up forever.

    Our Children will never be safe as along as one person with a Mental Condition, any Mental Condition, is allowed to walk freely among the rest of Society.

  • Roger Canaff

    I prosecuted cases in New York state for years. Yes, actually, stricter gun laws might well have prevented Spengler from getting weapons. It might have meant that less of them would have been available for him to steal. Constricting the supply has to be a part of the solution.

    • Jack Deth

      Doesn’t New York state have some of the strictest gun control laws on the books. And by inference, wouldn’t most of those cases have involved stolen or illegally obtained guns?

      So, how would “constricting the supply” remedy anything?

      I’ve a simpler idea. Quit making deals and start enforcing and prosecuting the laws already on the books and putting the guilty behind bars.

    • GTFOBigGovt

      Stricter like how? Meanwhile, constricting the constitutional rights of citizens is not only OUT OF THE QUESTION, but will have no impact on your stylized version of what the country will be like afterwards. Not that it’s even possible to get rid of 300 million weapons anyway.

      How about constricting the lawyer game playing, PLEA BARGAINS like this clown got, (this also applies to tort reform while we’re on the subject) and liberal politicians and shrinks who decided to throw the crazy people out in OUR society without constraints.

      Columbine started out with bombs that didn’t work and the guns were the fall back position. This guy used fire, too.

  • $23629333

    Michelle seems a little soft herself. She seems to think that 17 years was quite a long time for this loon to be in prison, and – after all those years – had served his sentence and was entitled to be released. Apparently, he was released for “medical reasons” – not because his time was up.

    Perhaps killing someone with a hammer, and – particularly – one’s own grandmother, should earn you more than a conviction for manslaughter. In fact, someone who does that should be considered a potential threat to his fellow man generally, and should be institutionalized until his time really is up.

  • Susan Borden

    I’m sick of these elitist, leftist, pantywaist snobs blaming ordinary Americans for everything that is purely a result of our corrupt government! Why don’t we put Rupert Murdoch (half-owner of Fox), the Saudi Prince half-owner of Fox News, and PIers Morgan on a one-way flight to the Sudan.

  • $23629333

    Apparently, this loon’s grandmother lived – and was murdered – in the house next-door to the house he was living in with his mother and sister, and he made a point of informing the folks now living in his grandmother’s home about the murder he committed there. Presumably that house was burned too.

    If your neighbor tells you a story like that, what is the appropriate response? Simply shrug, and carry on as you would have had you not heard that story? Move out immediately, and sell the house to the first buyer interested? Respond as Atticus Finch might have – and did – to a rabid dog?

  • George Washington Mclintock

    Rupert’s done a lot of damage to the left in his time, but I wish he didn’t have his overseas prejudices against guns. Left laps it up, and runs with it every time he comes out against it, as if he validates their nonsense and isn’t parroting their same silly notions.

  • lainer51

    Who cares what this fossil thinks?

  • GTFOBigGovt

    I love these non Americans who not only have no concept of our Constitutional rights, but also no knowledge of or interest in the history of crime, drugs, TORT LAW, CRIMINAL LAW and Liberal political laws enacted here that only created MORE crime.

  • Laurel

    He is right. We must wake up and arm everyone because our idiotic government insists on letting criminals out of jail who beat their grandmother’s to death with a hammer.