Uh oh. Looks like SAG-AFTRA is this season’s Big Bad for Charisma Carpenter, the actress best known for her role as Cordelia on “Buffy” and “Angel.”

Carpenter isn’t just pissed. She’s using words like “extortion.”

Damsel in distress? Conservative actor Adam Baldwin to the rescue!

https://twitter.com/AdamBaldwin/status/430854144950161408

By the way, kindly make sure you don’t assume this makes Charisma is the “worst” thing imaginable:

  • Yeah I Said It

    Independent = “I’m a fence sitter who won’t choose one side or the other. That way, I can sit here and b*tch while pointing fingers and playing the victim.”

    • Botzilla

      Independent=I’ve been F#$%ed over by both parties so often that I don’t trust either of them.

      • Marty

        Independent thinker, I don’t need to allow any party to think for me.

        • JeffWRidge

          Well said.

      • John Stevens

        Marty, I like your response, but I have to give it to Botzilla for hitting the nail directly on the head.

        • Marty

          I agree he nailed it.

      • Jerry B

        Apparently, you got F#$%ed over worse by your teacher (probably a Democrat) who couldn’t help you with the proper use of an apostrophe.

        • docbenton

          Apparently, you got f#$%ed over by lack of manners.

        • Rusty Jewell

          I must be over-looking something on the apostrophe thing. Where did he go wrong?

          Oh look, I used a hyphen

        • http://jericho777.wordpress.com/ Jeffrey Hardin

          Perhaps you might be that teacher? Or, one like her!

        • Aldorann

          What are you even talking about? My teachers must have done the same to me because I don’t see where the mistake is.

      • JeffWRidge

        Right you are.

      • Larry Freeman

        Well said. :)

      • Centurian2010

        Yeah not in her case. Challenging the unions never lost you a job in Hollywood, but going against the liberal agenda will every time. Fence sitter for sure.

    • Librarian

      Ooohhhh! I’m gonna change my name to “Wish I Said It!!” LOL

    • redstilettos

      Or she’s libertarian or conservative, but can’t come out of the ‘closet’ or else risk losing work.

      • rogleecam

        “… but can’t come out of the ‘closet’ or else risk losing work.”
        THUS, her issuance of her epilogue disclaimer. Fear of reprisal is the effective tool of the left.

    • Jimni27

      It’s nice to fit Independents into little boxes, isn’t it? As one who leans right, I wouldn’t call myself a fence sitter or a victim, but someone who can see both sides of a situation and will vote according to MY beliefs, not along party lines.

      • Brad Bettin

        Are there “mind-numbed robots” out there who vote the party line? Yes.

        Are you – are “independents” – the only people who see “both sides” and vote “according to their beliefs”?

        Don’t flatter yourself.

        And that’s the “problem” with “independents” – – – with far too many of them, it’s asserted as if it’s a badge of moral superiority … “I don’t vote party … I think for myself” blah blah blah.

        • Marty

          If you vote either side why would affiliate yourself with party lines?

          • soldierpj

            I’m a conservative which MOSTLY falls in line with GOP beliefs. I’m a registered republican and mostly vote GOP nationally but have voted independent and even democratic state and locally. Just because I’m registered doesn’t mean you can look past me when campaigning.

          • Marty

            Never said anyone could look past anyone. Just ask why affiliate with either party? if you will vote for either party?. You do realize a lot of polls are conducted by party affiliation?

            Polls can sway voters, nobody wants to vote for the loser of anything. So party polls sway votes. If it gets looked at as we are all independant. They wont know where they need to spend big money and campaign. For votes (buy Votes) And that is a big problem for them.

          • Ray Mccollum

            I’m sure you have heard the line, “Lies, Damn Lies,& Statistics?

          • Josie Mrs. C

            I USED TO do that…not any more. I will NEVER vote for another Democrat. They have been taken over by Social Progressives a.k.a. Socialists. We live, or maybe lived, in the greatest country in the world and it is being turned to mediocrity or worse by so-called Democrats. When we lose the middle class we lose America. The way we are going IT WILL HAPPEN.

          • Robin Coots

            Well, if I remember my American Government right, sometimes the voting reg. process requires we pick a party. And then you only get voting options for that party. So I can see the value in claiming independent. Thankfully, I live in a state where you show up with VALID ID and get to vote.

          • grais

            The only reason I’ve ever heard that makes any sense is that you can vote in primaries if you pick-a-party. And I think that rule only applies to some states, not all.

          • Goodyeargirl

            I vote for the party I agree with most……… of course, I actually KNOW party platforms as well………. except for the Independent candidate. Last one I knew was Ross Perot and that lost the race for ANY conservative/independent leader. So, now one has to decide to throw away a vote for a candidate who can’t win a majority of states or to “vote according to their beliefs”. It’s a catch 22, not a no-brainer.

          • Marty

            And yet with all that Mitt still lost….. So due to that fact you think I wasted my vote…. Maybe it wasn’t the independent’s maybe just maybe,,, Mitt lost because he didn’t have enough of his own voter’s.

            If all the republican’s believed and voted for Mitt that means he was reaching for other votes if he lost…. And didn’t get them from independent’s or democrat’s…..

            See it’s not just independent’s as the republicans want you to think… So the republican’s act like Obama and lead you to believe the independent’s are the bad guy’s….

            Well here is what I say to that, I Voted for Reagan. I voted For Bush #1 I voted For Ross Perot, I voted again for Ross Perot. I Voted for Bush 2, I voted again for Bush 2. I voted for Ron Paul, And in this last one I voted for Rand Paul….;;

            And sorry those are my votes not your’s. Those are the people who represented me. If you or the republicans don’t like it….. Maybe just Maybe I won’t waster my vote on a loser this year….

            Maybe Just Maybe “Hillary” (SARC) Because if not a Tea Party member we know the republicans don’t stand a chance. Who Do they got Chrispy Cream come on really? So yeah what do ya say lets vote for a winner.

          • mike_in_kosovo

            I voted for Ron Paul, and in this last vote I voted for Rand Paul

            So, in 2008 and 2012 you gave 2 free votes to the Obama crowd? Great thinking.

            If you or the republicans don’t like it….. Maybe just Maybe I won’t waster my vote on a loser this year….

            You mean like in 2008 / 2012, where you voted for people that weren’t on the national ticket?

          • Marty

            Again call it what you want I voted for what I believe in if everyone did that instead of picking the less of two evils; This country would not be in the mess it is in.

            And again I am assuming you voted for Mitt? And guess what he lost…. Do you consider that to be a wasted vote?

            Or did you really vote for Obama? See we can do this all day it wont change anything… And who will the republicans run this year Chrispy Cream? Sorry again the republican’s will not get my vote for this Imbecile.

            You want my vote,, give me someone,, something worth voting for… But if all you got is Romney and Chrispy Cream I will look elsewhere… and send my disapproval to the republican party.

            When they get back to standing for the people and not putting on a show I will vote for them again not until.

          • mike_in_kosovo

            if everyone did that instead of picking the lesser of two evils; this country would not be in the mess it is in

            Again, see “voting for people not on the national ticket”.

            Do you consider this to be a wasted vote?

            Nope…you see, by voting for Romney (instead of a write in), the Obama folks needed two vote to overcome mine for a net gain.

            Sorry that basic math is beyond you.

            Crispy Cream, etc

            Are you sure YOU aren’t really an Obama voter, given your alignment with them about how Christie should be the next pick for the Republicans?

            When they get back to standing for the people and not putting on a show I will vote for them again not until.

            Keep cutting off your nose to spite your face, Chief – I recommend writing in “Mickey Mouse” or “Goofy” next time, at least there will be a humor factor to it, then.

          • Marty

            I ask who do they got. If I mention Rand Paul, Ron Paul, Allen West, Anyone from the TEA PARTY according to the republican RINO establishment they don’t stand a chance..

            So Yeah who else they got that can win? As you would say a vote for any other than the nominee’s is wasted…… I tend to think if we stand up for candidates with conservative views the republican party might recognize that they have even become to liberal,””

            But go ahead pat them on the head tell them the good job they are doing and vote on brother. I will do what I think is right for me and mine….. You do what you think is right for you and your’s…. You blame Independent’s…… I Blame republican RINO’S they are the problem….

          • mike_in_kosovo

            I ask who do they got. If I mention Rand Paul, Ron Paul, Allen West, Anyone from the TEA PARTY according to the republican RINO establishment they don’t stand a chance..

            I guess we’ll see as the election gets closer, won’t we…or is that not good enough for you?

            You blame independents

            Nice attempt at a strawman – what I *said* was that by voting for someone not on the national ticket, you gave the Obama crowd free votes, which is true – they didn’t have to expend a vote to counter yours.

          • Marty

            I voted for what I believe in not what you believe in that does not make me wrong.

            That does not give my vote to Obama, Please explain how a vote Paul was a vote for Obama?

            It was a vote for Paul,,,,,,, You are twisting math vote count

            Paul 1 Obama 0 Romney 0 how do you do math I only get 1 vote and it went to Paul

          • mike_in_kosovo

            I voted for what I believe in not what you believe in that does not make me wrong.

            And ANOTHER strawman, since I never said you were wrong.

            That does not give my vote to Obama, Please explain how a vote Paul was a vote for Obama?
            It was a vote for Paul,,,,,,, You are twisting math vote count

            Paul 1 Obama 0 Romney 0 how do you do math I only get 1 vote and it went to Paul

            I never said your vote went to Obama. Yet ANOTHER strawman. Trying reading what I actually *WROTE*.

            Now, to illustrate the issue…can you do second grade math? I’m asking because second grade reading comprehension seems to be beyond you.

            Vote tally: Romney 0, Obama 0

            I cast a vote for Romney.

            Vote tally: Romney 1, Obama 0

            It takes *TWO* Obama votes to overcome my Romney vote and provide a gain to Obama.

            Now, let’s reset the counters and you cast your vote for Paul.

            Vote tally: Romney 0, Obama 0.

            Once it gets to the national election, a vote for someone that isn’t on the ticket DOESN’T AFFECT THE ELECTION – it’s like betting that a horse running in the 5th race will win the 3rd race.

            It only takes one vote to provide an Obama advantage.

          • Marty

            You call me the problem I call RINOs the problem. Keep on patting McCain on the head…. He is doing such a wonderful job……

            You voted for him in 2008 what has he done for the cause? The 27 Senate Republicans who voted for the CR: Allowing Obamacare to be funded.

            Alexander (R-TN)

            Ayotte (R-NH)

            Barrasso (R-WY)

            Blunt (R-MO)

            Boozman (R-AR)

            Burr (R-NC)

            Chambliss (R-GA)

            Chiesa (R-NJ)

            Coats (R-IN)

            Cochran (R-MS)

            Collins (R-ME)

            Corker (R-TN)

            Fischer (R-NE)

            Flake (R-AZ)

            Graham (R-SC)

            Hatch (R-UT)

            Hoeven (R-ND)

            Isakson (R-GA)

            Johanns (R-NE)

            Kirk (R-IL)

            McCain (R-AZ)

            McConnell (R.-KY)

            Moran (R-KA)

            Murkowski (R-AK)

            Portman (R-OH)

            Thune (R-SD)

            Wicker (R-MS)

            The 87 House Republicans who voted for the CR

            Bachus

            Barletta

            Benishek

            Bilirakis

            Boehner

            Boustany

            Brooks (IN)

            Buchanan

            Calvert

            Camp

            Cantor

            Capito

            Coble

            Coffman

            Cole

            Cook

            Cotton

            Cramer

            Crawford

            Crenshaw

            Daines

            Davis, Rodney

            Dent

            Diaz-Balart

            Fitzpatrick

            Fortenberry

            Frelinghuysen

            Gardner

            Gerlach

            Gibson

            Griffin (AR)

            Grimm

            Guthrie

            Hanna

            Harper

            Hastings (WA)

            Heck (NV)

            Herrera Beutler

            Issa

            Jenkins

            Joyce

            Kelly (PA)

            King (NY)

            Kinzinger (IL)

            Kline

            Lance

            Latham

            LoBiondo

            McCarthy (CA)

            McHenry

            McKeon

            McKinley

            McMorris Rodgers

            Meehan

            Miller, Gary

            Murphy (PA)

            Nunes

            Paulsen

            Pittenger

            Reichert

            Ribble

            Rigell

            Rogers (KY)

            Rogers (MI)

            Ros-Lehtinen

            Roskam

            Runyan

            Schock

            Shimkus

            Shuster

            Simpson

            Smith (NE)

            Smith (NJ)

            Stivers

            Terry

            Thompson (PA)

            Tiberi

            Tipton

            Upton

            Valadao

            Webster (FL)

            Whitfield

            Wittman

            Wolf

            Womack

            Young (AK)

            Young (IN)- See more at: http://cnsnews.com/news/articl

            He has defended the gun control speech of Obama….. Yeah I really want to vote for this idiot….

            He is for Amnesty.

            Need I go on. What difference between him and Obama they vote the same?

            Lets see now I do not see Paul’s name on that list do you?

            Didn’t McCain”” laugh at Rand Paul for for Rand’s fillibuster, of drone strikes against Americans.

            Didn’t McCain Slam Ted Cruz for trying to defund Obamacare.

            Yet you think I am the enemy? REALLY REALLY You voted for this guy not me.

          • mike_in_kosovo

            Lets see now I do not see Paul’s name on that list do you?

            I don’t see Mickey Mouse on the list either…and just like Paul, he wasn’t a candidate in 08 or 12.

          • Marty

            So your point is I should have voted for McCain, And Drone Strikes, And Obamacare, And Gun control, And Amnesty,

            Sorry””’ I will not vote the lesser of two evils, you have voted for evil….. I will always vote for what is best for me and mine. Not what someone else ”thinks”’ I should vote for…. You voted for this crap not me own it…… I will not be a part of this ploy to rob and steal from the people because I am to lazy to research the candidates… Just to be in some political party you can have it. I did my homework and I voted for what I thought to be best. You obviously did not or you would have never voted for McCain… Yet you want to try and blame someone else for your bad vote look at his record…. And then come tell me you would have voted for him.

            Realize they are the same. http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/8e5074454fcc.jpg

          • mike_in_kosovo

            I will always vote for what is best for me and mine

            Yes, by all means…feel smug in the fact that you gave Obama free votes.

            You obviously did not or you would have never voted for McCain…

            Says the guy that cast an off-ticket vote.

            Yet you want to try and blame someone else for your bad vote

            Such defensiveness…much blame-shifting. Wow.

            abovetopsecret

            Ah, yes, Conspiracy/Lunacy central…just what we should consider as a source.

          • Marty

            And you feel smug about voting for a guy who is voting for everything you are complaining about…. IRONIC isn’t it

            You vote for someone who votes against what you believe in… Yet complain about my vote which in fact according to their voting records… Appears to go more along the lines of what you believe in. But I am the problem,,,, Okay whatever I am the problem,,,, think about it though….. As I am through here you obviously will continue to vote party lines instead of what is right….

            And I will continue to vote for what I believe in, Not some political hack with an agenda…. Party lines mean nothing right and wrong are all that matters……

          • mike_in_kosovo

            Yet complain about my vote

            Wrong yet *AGAIN*….you’re not a smoker, are you? I fear for your safety with all the strawmen you’re making.

          • Marty

            Oh it’s all perfectly clear now all the talk about how I wasted my vote wasn’t a complaint about how I vote……. WHAT?????

            And you want to talk about strawmen……… Talk about a weak argument.

            You,

            “So, in 2008 and 2012 you gave 2 free votes to the Obama crowd? Great thinking.””

            not a complaint? HMMMMM sound an awful lot like one to me.

            You Again,,,

            You mean like in 2008 / 2012, where you voted for people that weren’t on the national ticket?

            HMMMM again sounds like a complaint to me.

          • mike_in_kosovo

            Holy sh*t….for once he got something right!!! Well, what do you know…it *CAN* learn!!

          • Marty

            Now personal attacks you sure you are not a democrat. Talk about smug.

          • mike_in_kosovo

            Says the guy that said “That makes you a Democrat”…”are you sure you didn’t vote Democrat”…pull the other one, Skippy, it’s got bells on.

          • Marty

            I ask a simple question… Sorry i didn’t think a simple question would offend a republican.

          • mike_in_kosovo

            *Another* lame attempt to label? You really *don’t* have a a leg to stand on, intellectually, in this discussion, do you?

          • Marty

            You bore me you keep saying that but have not answered…. You avoid wiggle and worm…. You twist wording and math. And yet you still have not answered this question.

            What have the Republicans accomplished in the last 5 yr’s?

            Other than destroy their own party..

          • mike_in_kosovo

            You bore me

            Yeah, you bore us with the after the fact finger pointing.

            Drop the armchair quarterback and go back to the actual election dates – that is, if you want to have an HONEST discussion rather than pointing fingers after the fact.

            Tell us, what did you gain (other than smug points) by voting for someone who wasn’t on the ticket and had NO chance to beat Obama? How did that ‘do right’ for you and yours?

            What have the Republicans accomplished in the last 5 years? Other than destroy their own party…

            In the last 5 years?
            Picked up 4 seats in the Senate.
            Picked up 56 seats in the House.
            Picked up 9 Governorships

            In state houses:
            Gained control of 10 lower houses. (21D/29R)
            Gained control of 9 upper houses. (15D/29R)
            Gained full control of both houses in 14 states. (17D/27R).
            Gained control of both houses *and* governorship of 15 states. (13D/24R)

            You have an interesting definition of “destroying their own party”…

          • Marty

            What have they accomplished? winning a few seats is not an accomplishment for the people,, keep twisting and avoiding you seem to be quit good at it.

            Again what have they accomplished? Did they get a bill the republicans wrote passed. Did they stop a bad bill? have they done anything good for the people? quit squirming and answer if you can.

          • mike_in_kosovo

            I’ve explained the situation to you several different times now, I can’t understand it for you. Sucks to be you. Feel free to keep voting for your Dreamy McDreamerson “perfect” candidate who can’t get on the national ticket and who has *NO* chance to win – I’m sure it’ll be a comfort when your kids ask “What did *YOU* do to keep this from happening, Daddy?”

          • Marty

            My daughter is 30 yrs old and standing here want to ask her? She knows how I have voted. She also understands the concept of not just going along to get along, Which is something you could learn.

            You don’t want a conversation you want snide remarks to prove your superior.

            Have a nice life I will not respond any further,,, are you sure you are not a democrat? As again you failed to answer one simple question, As I said you wiggle squirm twist words,,,

          • mike_in_kosovo

            She also understands the concept of not just going along to get along, Which is something you could learn.

            Ah, yes…because only YOU (and those who think like) know the *TRUE* way.

            You sound like George Wallace ca 1965.

            You don’t want a conversation you want snide remarks to prove your superior.

            I refer you to your next sentence – to wit; “are you sure you are not a democrat?”

            Self-awareness fail, much?

            I will not respond any further

            Thank God for that…don’t let the door hit you in the ass on your way out. The happy side effect is that the IQ level on the site will jump up by at least 10 points.

          • Marty

            he was if you wrote him in think about it.

          • mike_in_kosovo

            Nope. Seriously, if you’re as clueless about the whole procedure as you’re making yourself look with your posts, just keep writing it in…we’re safer that way.

          • Jeffrey Ward

            AND ENJOY THE SECOND TERM OF ODUMA ! If you lose your job & health care , Then all you can do is LOOK IN THE MIRROR !! IT WAS YOU & YOUR ILK !!

          • Marty

            Enjoy your Obamacare your republican party allowed that to happen not me. None of the representatives that share my views voted for the CR that funded Obamacare not one.

            Your RINO establishment allowed that to happen. Your RINO establishment also caved on the debt ceiling raise I guess they seem to think you can borrow your way out of debt….

            Personally,, I haven’t tried it. But it just sounds logical the more you borrow the more you owe. So now that we are 17 trillion in debt,,, How happy are you to know you,,, and all your kids owe the fed approximately $55,000 each. Remember though republicans are god.

            TEA PARTY tried to shut it down but the spineless RINO’s wouldn’t stand with them. They gave Obama what he wanted….

            Remember you vote for republicans. I vote for people who represent me. and this does not represent me.

            http://www.brillig.com/debt_clock/

            Why are you voting for these people do you not care. There are real conservatives, that I am sure share your views. So why vote for the other democratic Party RINO?

        • Clayton Grant

          And not being independent enough gave the GOP a bunch of RINOs

          • Clete Torres

            McCain, for example. Maverick as a nickname, not as an attitude.

            Hence the popularity of the TEA Party.

          • Clayton Grant

            Right you are, Clete. Did you know that he is the one that gave himself that Maverick label?

          • Clete Torres

            I had heard that but wasn’t sure if it had been corroborated.

        • grais

          Some of us small “i” independents just don’t care for groupthink; or junkmail pleas for money.

          • goldsage

            I get phone calls and email all the time from these clowns and I won’t give them a red cent. They are so rude when you tell them “No.” They are poking the lion and expecting us to purr. I give them a familiar roar, “when you start doing the “will of the people” perhaps you will find some support. They usually hang up on me.

        • Jimni27

          I just love when people like you don’t realize you need people like ME and GASP! RINOs to win an election. I didn’t say I was better than you, I said I think for myself and don’t vote on party lines because I was indirectly called a fence sitter. If you must know, I call myself Independent mostly because of the stance against marriage equality. At the same time I respect the ideals of Christians. Do you respect both gays AND Christians?

          • William Robert Guerra

            yes…i can respect gays without jumping on the marriage equality bandwagon because that’s not what they’re really looking for…pay attention…

          • Jimni27

            Oh? You speak for the gays?

          • William Robert Guerra

            no, i’m just not blind…or stupid…

          • Adela Wagner

            I respect everyone’s freedom to choose what is right for themselves. As an Adult, I cannot see me being able to tell another adult what they can or cannot do in their own life or home as long as it does not infringe on another persons rights.
            I grew up and left parental control behind.

            I am for the rule of law and State and Local Gov being our focus not growing the Federal Gov.
            We are set up to be 50 state experiments, and the Feds should adhere to the Constitution on ALL matters. It is up to The People to make sure they do.

            Fed UP? American Spring May 16th 2014

      • kevin

        The problem with that is once you vote for one or the other THEY vote party lines

      • Michael David Davis

        BOTH sides of a situation? You’re displaying some extremely rigid parameters if you think that there are only two sides to every situation. Oh how I wish it were that simple. I believe independents by and large are people who like to be different for the sake of being different, not because they have any superior set of principles.

        • E Quilibrate

          That’s the most objective evaluation I’ve heard. Certainly no superior set of principles.

      • Archer305

        Independents are “independent of a political party.” This means that they are not Republican, nor they are Democrat. Conservative is more of a set of ideas/beliefs. I am not a Republican simply because I have lots of disdain for them too. I am Conservative (in most areas…) and have a few liberal (notice the small l) tendencies and just tend to side with the Republicans over the Democrats just about any day of the week on Conservative principle, not because the Rs tell me to. Not all Rs are Conservative…. But the overwhelming proportion of Conservatives tend to be Rs (or Libertarians).

        • Jimni27

          I probably am more aligned with how you think, although I’d be lying if I said I truly understood the differences between Conservatives/Republicans/ Tea Party and Liberals/ Progressives.
          All I know is I think the Tea Party has gotten a very bad rap, and find myself defending them A LOT, lol. And I hate, hate, hate when people say the word RINO. To me, any candidate that is fiscally conservative is better than the liberal alternative. And since I don’t see marriage equality getting resolved in the immediate future, I’d rather concentrate on things like economy for now.

      • right_on

        Independent thinkers are one thing, moderates another. Independent’s don’t feel either party fulfills their needs, Moderates are ALWAYS moderate on social issues only. Put another way, they don’t want to be taxed for being successful, but they DO want other taxpayers to fund social programs, which they, not unsurprisingly, whole heartedly support.

        That’s why I will never support any so-called “moderate conservative.” I don’t want my representative to compromise on conservative values, but that’s exactly what “moderate conservatives” do.

    • therealguyfaux ✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

      Or, as is likely, someone who, seeing that there are way too many bozos on both sides of the aisle, is put off from trying to figure out which side has the fewer bozos and then holding their nose.

    • Brad Bettin

      Not quite … “independent” means “I don’t want the baggage of either party.”

      When you get right down to it, though, “independents” are usually reliable votes for one party or the other.

    • Dan Thorpe

      with the state of the GOP and the DNC, nothing wrong with being an independent. It just means you are not tied to one particular party. Now moderate you can make that arguement.

    • irishgirl91

      Independent is also a conservative that still wants to work in Hollywood.

    • Jim

      If she was truly an Independent, she wouldn’t consider being a conservative the “worst.”

      • Jimni27

        Yes she would- if she’s an independent who just happens to lean left. It’s really not a hard concept, most of us have something we feel strongly about that is stopping us from fully considering ourselves one party or the other.

    • Clayton Grant

      Hardly. We Independents simply select who we hope is the best candidate, regardless of party affiliation.

      • Adela Wagner

        Too bad the “party” comes along in the Candidates ball of wax.

    • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FmSIOoy6MlE&app=desktop Booker

      What’s wrong with being an independent? Aren’t both parties slaves to their corporate wings? Don’t be deceived.

      • Isahiah62

        In my state it means you cannot vote in the primaries so- better to register with one or the other or you get NO VOTE

        • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FmSIOoy6MlE&app=desktop Booker

          I do vote…consistently at least. Primaries– well, I’ll let the base take care of that.

          • Isahiah62

            the primary is the most important vote you have- your one chance to nominate the best candidate

    • David Johnson

      I’d rather be an Independent than just vote for anyone with an (R). There are more Rino’s in the House now then probably any time I can remember. So just stay a sheep if you want I’ll think for myself!

      • Joe Bobby Van Vactor

        If you vote for the left, meaning you support the current admin, you definitely do not think for yourself. Saying you won’t vote for anyone with an R, says all we need to know about you.

      • Red Wing Fan Jan

        So then who do you vote for? The person with the D after their name?

        • Shubi

          Yup.

          • Red Wing Fan Jan

            I don’t believe I was talking to you and yet you interrupt my conversation? Typical sheeple democrat.

          • Shubi

            Actually, I was agreeing with you. That “yup” was just a silly way of saying “yes, they vote for the Democrat.” If you read any of my previous posts in this thread (or any other thread) you’ll realize that I am no fan of the Democratic Party.

          • Red Wing Fan Jan

            Sorry I misunderstood your ‘Yup’, I’m not on these threads very often so I don’t get to know people! Glad to hear you are not a sheeple democrat.

    • Dozer

      She means… I’m a liberal because I don’t know any better but I can’t stand what liberals believe in…

    • nickdqwk

      Just maybe the fence in Hollywood (weird) is turning into a bridge, so as to hold all those new fence sitters.

    • John (it true me am)

      Or you believe that the two party system is seriously flawed (and not intended to exist to begin with) and that it is better to be “independent” and vote for the more conservative candidate regardless of party. Of course 99% of the time that is the Republican, but that is beside the point.

      • Finrod Felagund

        The two-party system exists because of our first-past-the-post voting system, and that’s not going to change until the voting system is changed. Personally, I prefer approval voting (the one alternate voting system that passes the ‘can you explain it to your grandmother in 12 words or less’ test), but until the voting system changes, we’re stuck with the two-party system. All you can do is join the party that better represents your views and do your best to move it in your direction.

        • John (it true me am)

          That isn’t true in the slightest, and is basically simple complacency… The modern party system was created by people like Andrew Jackson, notorious federalists specifically to create the atmosphere we have today in spite of direct opposition to the system by a number of founding fathers.

          As for simply going with the flow and having to choose between the two parties at this point… Even the founding of the Republican Party itself goes against that notion. To look at more recent history, the Reform party during the 90’s(before they imploded). As it goes well beyond winning elections, think how much impact Perot and Nader both had.

    • ShannonOrcutt

      Independent = the opposite of the “low info” voter and “I’m a party-talking-point-spewing” zealot. We do not bitch, point fingers, or play the victim. Why? We don’t have time for that shit. We’re working two jobs, taking care of our parents and putting our kids through college.

    • ceemack

      Independent may equal “Neither party is worth a tinker’s dam.”

    • Travis

      Independent = “I can think for myself rather be a sheep to a political party who’s only goal is to exploit your passionate views for dollars.”

    • R.C.

      Independent=uncola

    • Terry Teal

      Independent = I’m awake enough to realized both doors lead to slavery. And I prefer liberty! Yeah I said it. Are you too asleep to hear it?

    • Liberty_Hound

      I’m Independent because the two current major parties should have the word Progressive in their name. Both take you to the same place just one quicker than the other. Start a Constitution and Freedom Party and maybe I’ll join. When or if the ‘Tea Party’ candidates wins the battle over control of the Republican Party, Congress and the Senate maybe I will rejoin the Republican Party. If the Tea Party becomes a truly separate political Party embracing a common sense Libertarian platform, with fiscal responsibility, adherence to the Constitution and the rule of law and restoring some honesty and honor back to public server, I will join them. Until then I will remain registered as unaffiliated and support Tea Party candidates.

      • Finrod Felagund

        The Tea Party will never take over the GOP like the leftists took over the Democratic Party unless people like you join in the fight.

        • Adela Wagner

          We really need more Freedom Fighters joining local governments. IE: City councils,school boards,county offices etc. Along with State governments. Build up local and state govs. Along w/DC. Too many libs have gotten into these positions, that’s how we end up w/ Common Rotten Core etc.

      • drw

        It’s much easier to affect change from within.

    • D. Kiiskila

      Independent = “I’m not buying into either equally destructive party with the only difference being “when it’s ok to kill a human being”, either in a war or in the womb.” Both parties are for big government which = LOSS OF YOUR FREEDOMS

    • http://www.GONINERS.com/ Kristine ✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

      Sorry, not everyone lives in a black or white world and recognizes grey areas. Also, not everyone is compelled to be in lockstep with the group-think hive mind of a single party.

    • Maxx

      Sad that you think this way. As I wrote last week, labels are for soup cans. Many Tea Party members, if you think about it, chose a side in 2010 that did not include Republicans OR Democrats (one side or the other). In a way, THEY were practicing their independence from the traditional two-party system. I’m in the conservative camp on 80-90% of the issues but when it comes to others, I’m liberal. I see absolutely no logic in preventing a 20-year same sex companion of a hospital patient the exact same visiting rights as a “member of the family,” who perhaps, hasn’t seen his/her family member in a decade. In addition, why would this same sex couple of 20 years not be afforded the same health insurance rights as a married couple of one year?

      To me, independent doesn’t mean turning one’s nose to both parties, it just means a little bit more work from politicians to earn their vote whereas Democrats, for example, will vote left no matter how pathetic their candidate is. As Obama proved in 2012, he didn’t have to lift a finger to retain the Democratic vote whereas he lost the independent vote to Romney. Unfortunately for Mitt, Republicans were much more stubborn and many simply didn’t vote at all, creating another four-year term for the man they despised. To me, that was throwing the baby out with the bath water. Better to hold your nose and vote for the guy you’re not in love with rather than to not vote at all and have the guy you HATE, win another four years.

      • Mr_Wrestling_XIII

        I’m curious. What other issues you’re liberal at?

        • Maxx

          I support stem cell research, euthanasia for the terminally ill, a method of citizenship for children born of illegals, no change to social security for those over 50 and I’m not at all down with people banning books/videos they don’t like, which strangely enough, seems to be slowly changing into a conservative position.

      • mike_in_kosovo

        Unfortunately for Mitt, Republicans were much more stubborn and many simply didn’t vote at all, creating another four-year term for the man they despised. To me, that was throwing the baby out with the bath water. Better to hold your nose and vote for the guy you’re not in love with rather than to not vote at all and have the guy you HATE, win another four years.

        ^^^ THIS ^^^

        Fight like *hell* for ‘your guy’ during the primary season, but withholding your vote or writing in a vote in the actual election gives the other side a ‘freebie’, since they don’t have to overcome a vote for the actual candidate.

    • Mr_Wrestling_XIII

      I half agree with you. If you meant moderates and 3rd party nuts. It depends on what kind of Independent. Not everyone is the same. There’s many conservative Independents. Romney got the Independent vote.

    • Chris Cahill

      Independent means I can think for myself. I don’t follow party lines or doctrine.
      Democrats= points finger at Republicans for all the woes
      Republicans= points finger at Democrats for all the woes.

  • Fairfax51

    Gosh, just found out unions are corrupt, coercive, double-dipping and don’t give a furry rats behind about you….but vote for them anyway…and you think you aren’t a “lump” already? Note: we prefer to call them sheeple, not lumps

  • Steve__Jacobson

    With Obamacare she would be free to pursue what interests her and doesn’t have to be tied to a job just to get health insurance.

    • http://twitter.com/thetugboatphil TugboatPhil

      And get a free phone in the process!

      • forgetyoutooo

        And an autographed picture of Michelle Obama and the Pajama Boy!

    • StateofFranklin

      except for the whole being able to afford it…

      where’s the hashtag on this thing?

      #stupidcomment

    • Rip_Ford

      You could always buy your own health insurance so it wouldn’t be tied to your job. It was just more expensive but Obamacare has fixed that by making employer provided insurance more expensive as well.

    • FaithColeridge33

      Maybe she hasn’t read that part of the bill yet. LOL

  • therealguyfaux ✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

    Give her time. She’s already at the point of beginning to abandon the Leftie Hive Mind of Hollyweird. Let her hear it from all her “buddies” about what a terrible person she’s become. If at that point she can’t be somehow cowed into returning to the fold, we may have another “Abe” on our hands in the fullness of time.

  • SupplyGuy

    Independent – whatever. All the people I’ve met that claim to be independent vote reliably democrat, but are too ashamed to own it.

    • therealguyfaux ✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

      “All the people I’ve met that claim to be independent vote reliably democrat…”

      Till the day that they don’t, anymore. Sadly, that day never dawns for some.

    • gptnative

      Not true

      • Johnny Blade

        whats ‘not true’? you happen to know all the self proclaimed independents he’s met? btw its the same with me… ALL the self proclaimed independents I have personally spoken to over the last 4 years support Obama… sorry, no ‘independent’ evaluation of his administration could support that train wreck… unless independents aren’t really as unbiased and smart as they claim to be. Oo

    • Marty

      Sorry dudu you lose, Independent and voted Ross Perot 92 and 96 the only guy that saw NAFTA for what it was. A great big job sucking machine right out of the country.

      Who else said that? come on you know. He also said in 20 yrs there would be no manufacturing left. Republicans and Democrats Lawyers are fu%*$$g up this country and you two party’s pissing and moaning at each other wont resolve a F^^%#$G thing.

      So stick with your party help destroy the greatest nation ever. Of get out of your box and look around a little. Also voted Rand Paul last election as a write in. Like I said independent thinker I don’t need a group to do my thinking

      • Shubi

        Ah, Marty thinks he’s smart, but he doesn’t understand that Supplyguy has him pegged. When Marty voted for Perot in ’92 and ’96 he knew damned good and well that he might as well be giving his vote to Bill Clinton. Same difference. The same goes for his silly write-in vote for Rand Paul; he might as well have voted for Obama (which he most likely did in ’08). Marty needs to deal with reality, and the reality is that voting for anyone but the Republican nominee is actually a vote for the Democrat. I suspect Marty knows this; therefore Supplyguy is absolutely correct. Sorry, Marty Dudu, you lose.

        • Marty

          Voting for lesser of the to evil is still a vote for evil. Doesn’t matter how you look at it. See you are part of the problem with the group mentality RINO MENTALITY. You think I wasted my vote with a vote for Ross Perot. But I think we all lost with your vote For Bush In 1992. Maybe had you voted for Perot In 1992 we would all have won.

          • Shubi

            In my view, only one side is evil. The Republican Party is merely stupid and gutless. And while I do not appreciate their gutless stupidity, at this moment in time there is no other realistic option for restraining the boundless, anti-American evil of the Democratic Party. So, while I do not particularly care for the Republicans, I think it is the duty of every decent American to use their vote to defeat the Democrats; and any vote that is not FOR a Republican is FOR a Democrat.

          • Marty

            And that makes you a democrat,,,, a mob mentality that is what DEMOCRATS do. I voted for Perot. That is not nor was it ever a vote for the democratic party. I don’t care how you look at it.

            I really don’t like either party right now and lean TEA PARTY…. But then again you would think It is a wasted vote… And I don’t have the time nor the patience for you, So I will not reply to someone who does not respect my point of view, as it is a big waste of time.

            A rational discussion is one thing but please don’t insult my intelligence. As a independent you need to swing my vote I do not need to swing your’s keep that in mind.

            Tell me one thing good the Republicans have done without the lead of a TEA PARTY member. And then ask why should I vote for a RINO?

          • Finrod Felagund

            If you don’t want the Republican Party nominating RINOs, then get involved in the primary process and vote for the non-RINOs. There are elections other times than in November, y’know.

          • Marty

            How do you know whether or not I participate in the primaries? A lot of states do allow primary participation. And more and more allow it every year. Quit assuming independents do not vote in the primaries.

            http://uspolitics.about.com/od/CampaignsElections/a/Open-Primary-Definition.htm

          • Finrod Felagund

            There’s a lot more to the political process than just voting.

          • drw

            So, what are you saying? You were born in 2006 or doesn’t history matter before then? You claim to not need someone else to do your thinking for you, prove it. What possible good does throwing away your vote do, other than make you feel superior? You’re not sending a message to anyone that matters. The R’s don’t consider lost votes beyond the “big picture” and that includes a much higher percentage of liberal leaners than idealists. I wish folks like you would realize that the best way to get the R’s to listen is to prove that their path is valid. Until we have the power we cannot reshape it to reflect our true beliefs. The lesser of two evils is still less evil and the next election that evil can be primaried out for even less evil.

          • Marty

            See again you claim I am throwing away my vote . I have not, I have voted every election since I became of age to vote in 1982 for what I believe in…. Not what you or someone else thinks I should believe in….

            If I am voting for what I believe is right how is that a wasted vote? Just because the person I voted doesn’t win an election doesn’t mean I wasted my vote does it?

            If that’s the case anyone that voted for anyone who lost wasted their vote. Kinda like the Mitt Romney thing last election. I guess by your logic anyone who voted for Mitt wasted there vote.

          • drw

            So, what did you accomplish besides assuring a dem victory, unless that was your goal. You haven’t proven anything to anyone that matters. You certainly have a right to cast your vote as you see fit. Choosing the path you claim to have though nullifies your right to complain of the outcome.
            EDIT; I misspoke, your right to complain remains, the complaints themselves are nullified because you have chosen not to be a part of a possible solution.

          • Marty

            I accomplished Exactly what I set out to do. I voted who I thought was best representing me. What did you accomplish your candidate lost as well. Do you consider your vote wasted or did you vote for what you believe?

          • drw

            What I believe is that the democrat party is basically flawed and to allow them power on a national scale should be avoided at all cost. What I believe is if there is any hope of returning our Republic to the glory it once was we will need every available adult to act as an adult and do what is required to see that those elected represent our will. What I believe is that there has never been a person less qualified as custodian or more apt to do harm to this country than our current narcissist in chief. I saw this in 2008 and was astounded that enough were still blind in 2012.
            Ross Perot had no more chance in 92 than Ron Paul has had since. The only method currently available to keep the dems from power on a national scale means voting for Republicans. If you’re not happy with them after their first term, get rid of them and vote in another. Voting for someone who best represents you may be good for your conscience but, if they’ve no chance to win that’s the only thing it’s good for.
            You can choose to do what’s best for the country or you can choose to do what makes you feel good. You cannot always do both. Personally, I’m enough of a patriot to put my country first.

          • Marty

            I can do both what is best for my conscience and what is best for my country and so can you.

            http://www.truthandaction.org/operation-american-spring-ret-colonel-creates-march-washington-may-16-2014/

            But I refuse to be one of these,

            http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/8e5074454fcc.jpg

            And I will not compromise. On my beliefs that’s is what got us in this mess. A little compromise here and there what can it hurt, look at our nation and ask that.

            Compromise got us here nothing else people compromised on principles and look where we are. I will not vote for anything or anyone I do not believe in.

          • drw

            Then sadly, you will remain a part of the problem.

          • Marty

            Well I agree,,, to disagree on this issue… As I see anyone voting RINO just to have a republican in office is no different than voting for Obama himself…. And you see anyone not voting republican establishment as a vote for Obama…. SO I agree to disagree.

          • drw

            Just ask yourself one question, how many Republicans, Rino’s included, voted FOR the ACA? I consider that a difference.

          • Marty

            Maybe they did not vote for the ACA directly… But there were 27 RINO’s that voted for CR allowing it to get funded. Got anything they actually accomplished…. Because the sure didn’t stop the ACA that would have meant they did something. Just not voting for the ACA isn’t an accomplishment ….. The ACA is still LAW what did they Accomplish? It is not a trick question….

            And think about this,,,, who do they got that can win in 2016?

          • Marty

            See this is why the Republicans lost all respect they wont stand up to anything…. They cave under pressure,, Everyone in there right mind knew the republicans were doing the right thing by not funding the CR…..

            But then the Democrats blamed them for shutting down the government.,,,, And they accepted that blame….. They did not stand together against the democrats….. And actually make them (democrat’s) take the blame they caved why?,,,,,

            Had they banded together we wouldn’t have Obamacare,,, as the democrats would have caved under the pressure they created…Instead the republicans caved and we have Obamacare.

            Look if you are in a poker game and realize that your opponent will fold under pressure,,, you keep your opponent under pressure. At least that is what I would do And that is what the democrats are doing to the republicans. Keeping the pressure on because they know they will fold…

            The Democrats had to fund Obamacare it is there signature legislation.

            The Republican’s Should have had an Investigation done on Obamas real place of birth in 2008 did they NO.

            Republican’s should have not allowed the unemployment extensions to go on for over 2 years they did not stop that either,

            The Republican’s should Have not allowed the debt ceiling raise. You cannot borrow your way out of debt….That whole debt ceiling raise was a sham and they are doing that again next month…Wanna bet it gets raised again? Again republicans will fold.

            Explain why the Republican’s would allow the Democrat’s raise the debt ceiling and give billions and billions of dollar’s in aid to foreign Countries.. After all Republicans control the house “”meaning”” they hold the purse they control the funding….

            They The Republican’s stand for nothing anymore.. If they did I would vote for them, but they no longer represent me….I would stand and fight these Corrupt assholes they wont…..That is why I will not vote for them until they get an identity. As they (republican’s) have none. That is why I feel all they do is put on a show… They actually accomplish nothing.

          • drw

            You really don’t seem to understand how this is supposed to work. Every legislator (except executive) is elected to represent the people of their district. That is supposed to be their primary function. Because you disagree with their vote on any particular issue does not mean they are not doing their job(s) i.e. they’re not representing those who placed them in power. Congress is supposed to represent the people, the people’s wants and desires are subject to change by state or district or even whim. Since we haven’t the power to dictate what everyone is supposed to believe we have no choice but to live with it. We can help persuade or enlighten if we have the will but, the ultimate outcome is beyond our individual control. As it was intended.
            The ACA is law because the dems stacked the deck, as they are prone to do, because they believe they know what’s best for the minions and their minions don’t seem to mind following blindly. At the very least, Republicans know that they have limits.
            As to who “they got” that can win in 2016, WE have several viable choices and plenty of time. We need to get through 2014 first.

          • Marty

            And you Really don’t seem to understand I am doing what I think is best for me and mine,,,, you worry about you and yours.

            IT IS MY VOTE NOT YOURS!!!!!!! Quit wasting your vote and get some true TEA PARTY conservatives in there…if I want to vote for a Republican I will but right now at this time there are none worth voting for.

            And there is definitely not a democrat worth voting for. So I vote mainly TEA PARTY if you have a problem with that tough.. IT IS MY VOTE NOT YOURS!!!!!!!! You will not convince me to vote against my beliefs and morals just to have another Republican in OFFICE. that I don’t agree with.

            It is really quite easy. Get someone who shares my values and points of view and I will vote for them. If I don’t have a similar interest why would I vote for them?

            Just because someone else thinks it’s the right thing for me to do…Forget that I would rather not vote at all, Rather than give it to someone I do not agree with.

          • drw

            ITS YOUR VOTE NOT MINE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I get it, I never suggested otherwise, you can stop yelling.
            I understand that you believe you are doing what’s best for you and yours, honestly, I do. Trying to convince you of your mistake IS what’s best for me and mine, try to understand THAT. Your decision doesn’t only affect you and yours. If that were true we wouldn’t be having this conversation. You and those with similar attitudes are what’s gotten us into this mess. Zealots of both stripes who fail to recognize reality and are unwilling to consider compromise, even temporarily, will be the end of our nation. Please, continue clinging to your principals, just give us a prayer now and then and hope the adults can get this thing turned around before it’s too late.
            But hey, I do appreciate your considering at least some conservatives/Republicans and I hope eventually you’ll be blessed with your ideal POTUS candidate that actually has a snowballs chance but, I’m not holding my breath.

          • Marty

            If you think somebody that votes with the democratic Party on almost every issue is worth voting for to me you are the one wasting the vote… You are blinded by facts here,,, the Republicans put on a show and cave in the end why?,,,,

            I believe they are one in the same.. The same masters pull there strings.. So they can deceive us they have been doing this for years,,,, Now that’s why we are in this mess. They are all bought off, and until that changes both Democrat And Republican Votes are wasted votes. That is what I believe…

            And here is another point if Republicans are not putting on a show for you…. Why would they want the TEA PARTY gone? The Tea Party is all republicans. they are Republicans look it up no joke… Rand Paul Senator Republican from Kentucky… Ted Cruz Senator Republican from Texas So you have a group of Republicans that want another group of republicans gone….. it doesn’t make any sense.

            The RINO republicans do not represent anything anymore. You cannot even give me one example of what they have done in 5 years. Except vote against obmacare and then vote to fund it. But you think I should vote for them to get an R in office. I think everyone need to Vote for TEA PARTY members as they are the true republicans.

          • drw

            Why do you think TEA party candidates identify as republicans? Although I’m sure there are more, two reasons come immediately to mind. One is because they are aware of the limitations for success when running as a third party, the other is that they are committed to returning the GOP to it’s former stature and know the best way to affect that change is from within. They understand the reality of politics. I agree that the current state of the GOP leaves a lot to be desired but, when you start talking of masters and puppet strings your argument loses credibility. Yeah, some are corrupt but not nearly as many as on the other side and certainly not to the same extent. The only way to change that is to let them know that we are watching and will no longer allow it. Whenever and wherever possible we replace the dead weight with someone more committed to working for US. This shows our loyalty and our refusal to let things slide and will eventually return the power to where it belongs. I’m open to suggestion if you have a better idea but, I will not give away the only power I have in order to make a statement that will most likely fall on deaf ears or increase the likelihood of another dem POTUS by even the slightest amount.
            Our ultimate goals are the same. I applaud your commitment and wish you all the luck in the world but, I believe if you continue on your current path that you’ll achieve nothing but disappointment.

          • Marty

            And that has been exactly my point why vote for an establishment RINO? There is no reason to, There are Other True conservatives. Who actually deserve my vote… But, I will not vote for a guy like McCain,Lindsey Graham, Jeff Flake, Dick Durbin, or even John Bohener, Luckily for me, Here there really is only one senator that needs replaced, and she is Democrat, and is running against a TEA PARTY republican. So it is really a no brainer.

            That is all I have been saying here, is establish RINO’s are just as guilty as the democrats in office Look at all my post they all mention RINO almost every one. And if anyone is offended by the fact I will not vote for a RINO just to have a republican in office tough….

            I will not vote for the Democrat senator we need replaced and she actually has A better voting record than McCain. Think about that. A republican RINO (republican in name only) Is no better than a democrat. That’s why I spend time looking at voting records and don’t spend a lot of time on there jiber jaber talk. Speech’s don’t vote, senators do, that has been my whole point……

          • Marty

            And that has been exactly my point why vote for an establishment RINO? There is no reason to, There are Other True conservatives. Who actually deserve my vote… But, I will not vote for a guy like McCain,Lindsey Graham, Jeff Flake, Dick Durbin, or even John Bohener, Luckily for me, Here there really is only one senator that needs replaced, and she is Democrat, and is running against a TEA PARTY republican. So it is really a no brainer.

            That is all I have been saying here, is establish RINO’s are just as guilty as the democrats in office Look at all my post they all mention RINO almost every one. And if anyone is offended by the fact I will not vote for a RINO just to have a republican in office tough….

            I will not vote for the Democrat senator we need replaced and she actually has A better voting record than McCain. Think about that. A republican RINO (republican in name only) Is no better than a democrat. That’s why I spend time looking at voting records and don’t spend a lot of time on there jiber jaber talk. Speech’s don’t vote, senators do, that has been my whole point……

          • drw

            There is no question that we agree on basic political philosophy and that not all R’s are aligned with what we expect of them. I think we can further agree that we have a bit more flexibility ideal-wise when it comes to congress critters. We’ll never have a 100% participation in either house and considered opposing views are a healthy part of any large group of people responsible for the fate of others.
            We only get one POTUS though and in that case even the “lesser of two evils” must be accepted in order to prevent the greater evil to prevail. At this point in time there is no viable way to upset the two party system to allow any other than the nominated R or D to become President. It is not possible and a non-vote or a vote cast for any other than the lesser of the R or D “evil” is an effective vote for the greater evil. There is no other hope of defeating it or affecting the change we want. You just have to decide what’s most important to you.
            Thanks for the debate, it’s been interesting. I always enjoy conversing with anyone with an independent view whether our views merge in the end or not.

          • Marty

            We agree on a lot here, Except,, I will not vote for what I do not believe in. If there is A Mitt Romney on the ballot, I would always write in a Rand Paul…. I do not understand how Romneycare is Any different than Obamacare.. It is still socialized medicine. It is still forcing you,, to purchase something from a private company. I just don’t see a distinct enough difference to have voted for Romney. Hence the puppet comparison earlier

            Would we have seen the Drone Strikes with Romney? Maybe not but we will never know,.. We will never know if the IRS, NSA ,or Benghazi, would have happened either. Point is look at what these candidates vote for, not what they tell you. It is obvious you can’t trust or just go by Democrat or Republican anymore. That is why,, I am Independent. Not because I can’t make up my mind like other’s commenting here.

            I also think if we allow the McCain’s and Romney’s to win presidential elections the republican party will remain what it has been lost… The last real conservative that held office was Ronald Reagan, He came into a mess after the peanut farmer Carter and was able to make Bill Clinton look like god.

            People didn’t understand trickle down,, it takes time,, it trickle’s it wont happen right away. So when Bush 1 got in office all of Reagan’s policy’s had time to grab hold.. And Bush 1 just continued what Reagan had done. Then Bill and NAFTA is what really Screwed everything up. It was also Bill Clinton who deregulated the banks. Look it up.

            I just cannot vote for a candidate, that I believe will do more damage then good. And that is where I stand!!!

            I cannot vote for a candidate I believe will harm the U.S.
            I just can’t. Sorry. I will not vote just to get an R in office, I will always vote true conservatism. As every conservative should,, no more compromise.. The stand has to be now not later… and it can’t be now voting for RINO’s or R’s that believe in socialist programs.. That is not a stand it is acceptance

          • Marty

            We agree on a lot here, Except,, I will not vote for what I do not believe in. If there is A Mitt Romney on the ballot, I would always write in a Rand Paul…. I do not understand how Romneycare is Any different than Obamacare.. It is still socialized medicine. It is still forcing you,, to purchase something from a private company. I just don’t see a distinct enough difference to have voted for Romney. Hence the puppet comparison earlier

            Would we have seen the Drone Strikes with Romney? Maybe not but we will never know,.. We will never know if the IRS, NSA ,or Benghazi, would have happened either. Point is look at what these candidates vote for, not what they tell you. It is obvious you can’t trust or just go by Democrat or Republican anymore. That is why,, I am Independent. Not because I can’t make up my mind like other’s commenting here.

            I also think if we allow the McCain’s and Romney’s to win presidential elections the republican party will remain what it has been lost… The last real conservative that held office was Ronald Reagan, He came into a mess after the peanut farmer Carter and was able to make Bill Clinton look like god.

            People didn’t understand trickle down,, it takes time,, it trickle’s it wont happen right away. So when Bush 1 got in office all of Reagan’s policy’s had time to grab hold.. And Bush 1 just continued what Reagan had done. Then Bill and NAFTA is what really Screwed everything up. It was also Bill Clinton who deregulated the banks. Look it up.

            I just cannot vote for a candidate, that I believe will do more damage then good. And that is where I stand!!!

            I cannot vote for a candidate I believe will harm the U.S.
            I just can’t. Sorry. I will not vote just to get an R in office, I will always vote true conservatism. As every conservative should,, no more compromise.. The stand has to be now not later… and it can’t be now voting for RINO’s or R’s that believe in socialist programs.. That is not a stand it is acceptance

          • drw

            As I have stated I completely understand your reasoning for your position. I vehemently disagree because I cannot understand how allowing a dem to triumph over a Republican for POTUS will ever result in a positive outcome for this nation. There has been no contest for that position within memory where the lib has seemed a better choice or any alternate has had any chance for success. It’s that simple to me. The only viable choice is of the two and if you fail to cast for the R your vote helps the D and all of the best intentions, morals, beliefs or commitments in the world will not change that fact.

          • Marty

            TEA PARTY they actually fight back. Rand Paul Fillibusters drone strikes against American’s on American soil and abroad. “””AND WINS”””” that is more than the whole RINO establishment got done in the last 5 yrs….

            Mike Lee, Senator Sessions, and Rand Paul,,, Were the only ones trying to help Defund the ACA but the RINO’s ” WELL” I guess they did there best when they decided to throw Cruz Under the bus…. And 27 of them voted for the CR to fund The ACA …..But yeah your right they definitely made a difference.

          • Marty

            You call me the problem I call RINOs the problem. Keep on patting McCain on the head…. He is doing such a wonderful job……

            You voted for him in 2008 what has he done for the cause? The 27 Senate Republicans who voted for the CR: Allowing Obamacare to be funded.

            Alexander (R-TN)

            Ayotte (R-NH)

            Barrasso (R-WY)

            Blunt (R-MO)

            Boozman (R-AR)

            Burr (R-NC)

            Chambliss (R-GA)

            Chiesa (R-NJ)

            Coats (R-IN)

            Cochran (R-MS)

            Collins (R-ME)

            Corker (R-TN)

            Fischer (R-NE)

            Flake (R-AZ)

            Graham (R-SC)

            Hatch (R-UT)

            Hoeven (R-ND)

            Isakson (R-GA)

            Johanns (R-NE)

            Kirk (R-IL)

            McCain (R-AZ)

            McConnell (R.-KY)

            Moran (R-KA)

            Murkowski (R-AK)

            Portman (R-OH)

            Thune (R-SD)

            Wicker (R-MS)

            The 87 House Republicans who voted for the CR

            Bachus

            Barletta

            Benishek

            Bilirakis

            Boehner

            Boustany

            Brooks (IN)

            Buchanan

            Calvert

            Camp

            Cantor

            Capito

            Coble

            Coffman

            Cole

            Cook

            Cotton

            Cramer

            Crawford

            Crenshaw

            Daines

            Davis, Rodney

            Dent

            Diaz-Balart

            Fitzpatrick

            Fortenberry

            Frelinghuysen

            Gardner

            Gerlach

            Gibson

            Griffin (AR)

            Grimm

            Guthrie

            Hanna

            Harper

            Hastings (WA)

            Heck (NV)

            Herrera Beutler

            Issa

            Jenkins

            Joyce

            Kelly (PA)

            King (NY)

            Kinzinger (IL)

            Kline

            Lance

            Latham

            LoBiondo

            McCarthy (CA)

            McHenry

            McKeon

            McKinley

            McMorris Rodgers

            Meehan

            Miller, Gary

            Murphy (PA)

            Nunes

            Paulsen

            Pittenger

            Reichert

            Ribble

            Rigell

            Rogers (KY)

            Rogers (MI)

            Ros-Lehtinen

            Roskam

            Runyan

            Schock

            Shimkus

            Shuster

            Simpson

            Smith (NE)

            Smith (NJ)

            Stivers

            Terry

            Thompson (PA)

            Tiberi

            Tipton

            Upton

            Valadao

            Webster (FL)

            Whitfield

            Wittman

            Wolf

            Womack

            Young (AK)

            Young (IN)- See more at: http://cnsnews.com/news/article/terence-p-jeffrey/87-house-and-27-senate-republicans-vote-cr-funding-obamacare#sthash.blfaRfBg.dpu

            He has defended the gun control speech of Obama….. Yeah I really want to vote for this idiot….

            He is for Amnesty.

            Need I go on. What difference between him and Obama they vote the same?

            Lets see now I do not see Paul’s name on that list do you?

            Didn’t McCain”” laugh at Rand Paul for for Rand’s fillibuster, of drone strikes against Americans.

            Didn’t McCain Slam Ted Cruz for trying to defund Obamacare.

            Yet you think I am the enemy? REALLY REALLY You voted for this guy not me.

          • mike_in_kosovo
          • drw

            Yeah, J mcpain wasn’t even in my top 3 but he did get my vote because the only alternative with even a remote chance of victory was unthinkable (as has been proven beyond doubt). And yet……. The problem right now is the fact that either the R or the D will win the day. Alternate candidates fracture the conservative vote (let’s face it, conservatives, even mild ones are the only voters who have enough intelligence to make a distinction beyond the letter) giving an effective edge to the D candidate. This ain’t rocket science. Until their base starts showing some loyalty the R’s will continue their attempt to “win-over” less conservative voters by watering down their platform. Right or wrong, they see no other choice. One size does not fit all in conservative politics and until you understand that reality your vote will likely never be for the winning candidate and our Republic will continue it’s downward spiral.

          • Shubi

            You obviously think very highly of yourself; and yet you have shown little that warrants such high self-esteem. So I really couldn’t care less if your “intelligence” has been insulted. Keep that in mind.

          • drw

            Agree with reservations. Stupid is too strong and gutless is just wrong. There is a lot more room for aggression when answering to the accusations of the left than the R’s allow but you don’t pick on the weak. It’s always been considered unfair and that sense of fair play has been and continues to be our Achilles heel. The D’s know this and exploit it at every turn.

    • 4liberty

      Bull$hit on that!! independents usually look for a more conservative candidate but refuse to vote for a donkey in an elephant suit. Look at 2012 when the independents stayed home instead of voting for Romney. People are tired of holding their nose to vote and from now on, I will not vote for someone who doesn’t represent my views. What does it matter if you vote for a D or an R if they both do the same thing?

      • drw

        Yeah, thanks for that. I mean, 4 years of Romney would certainly have been worse for the country than what we have now. /.s

  • DanielSFL

    She won’t claim Conservative status. She still wants to work. This tweet will hurt her with the far left Hollyweird types.

    • Bathing Suit Area

      What’s with conservative paranoia about being shut out of show business? I haven’t been following closely, but isn’t Adam Baldwin still working pretty regularly?

      • Rip_Ford

        Looking at his IMdb page he’s mostly done voice acting with the occasional guest appearance since “Chuck” ended though he does have a new series coming out.

        • Bathing Suit Area

          Sounds like he’s doing ok for an actor then. I assume this means he must have hidden his conservative leanings.

          • Johnny Blade

            More than one actor has come out saying that being conservative in Hollyweird makes you persona non grata… its not paranoia… and its not really that surprising… if I was in a largely conservative group I wouldn’t support having liberals around.

      • alanstorm

        You just don’t get the difference between “tends to” and “must be”, do you?

      • FaithColeridge33

        Which monkey are you? I’m guessing the see no evil. Am I right?

      • DanielSFL

        It’s not paranoia if it’s true. Most conservative actors have to hide themselves from leftist Hollywood, because there is a real effort to shut out conservatives from working. Ben Affleck just said recently (paraphrasing) that he has a hard time watching actors act that are Conservative because he can’t separate them from their character, or something to that effect.

        There are a few Cons in HW that do fairly well, but too many have a far left mentality that dominates rational thought as to who the audience would like to see act.

      • Green Eggs And Ted

        Haven’t you noticed that you left-wing whackos tend to get psychotic anytime anyone disagrees with you? Hollywood is a liberal toilet, so a few against all of those violent liberal extremists. Only a nut would openly admit to loving America in Hollywood.

      • Corey Dennison

        What’s with foreigners sticking their noses into our business?

  • Garrett Gripling

    She can be whatever she wants. <3

  • AmericanMom

    Adam Baldwin – We loved you on Chuck, and with your great brand of common sense we now love you even more.

  • 24fan

    I love you Adam.

  • FranklinWasRight

    I’m an independent, the Republican Party has been screwing things up my entire adult life. I was raised liberal Democrat. My point is that plenty of Independents vote Republican when conservative ideas are actually articulated, so let’s not alienate them. If we are welcoming to them, they’ll come over as soon as their liberal friends and family start telling them how crazy and stupid they are for not following the party line.

    • Steven Howard

      And you don’t think the democrat party has been screwing things up your entire life cars well? In the words of Charles Barkley, poor people been voting democrat for 50 years, and they still poor.

    • Johnny Blade

      If you are independent because the GOP isn’t conservative enough then you aren’t voting for any democrats… and if you are voting for fringe 3rd party candidates in general elections it means you don’t know much about politics… sure its ‘your right’ to vote for whomever you choose, but when we wind up with the likes of Obama because you chose to ‘sit this one out’ well sir, I cannot respect that.

  • redpens

    She is beginning to wander off the lib reservation

  • Robert Mission

    No! No! No…Geez please don’t call me a conservative, here in Hollywood-land of blind Liberalism. Um Um I’m a Independent,,,,yea that’s the ticket!

  • gptnative

    An independent is a person that can think on their own without
    the being led by the party brass.

  • Gary Hart

    All you need to know about unions is portrayed perfectly in the film, “On the Waterfront”. This picture should be required viewing before individuals join these corrupt organizations.

  • JR48

    What do you think a modern union really is, honey…You’re naive.

  • therealguyfaux ✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

    Philosophically, it is well and fine to call oneself an “Independent,” but the practical effect in States that do NOT have “open primaries” (not “crossover primaries,” a different species of mischief) is that you cannot influence the choice of who a candidate for the two main parties will be. But again, that’s only if there’s going to be more than one candidate on offer– not always a sure bet.

    (“Open primaries” = registered Party voters, and independent voters who have declared a preference as to which one, but not BOTH, of the Party primaries they intend to vote in.)

  • Marleydude

    Independent.. This usually means, 1. You’re a liberal and afraid to admit it. or 2. Your a conservative and afraid to admit it.

  • http://www.facebook.com/claude.parish Claude AndPam Parish

    At least Adam Baldwin has chosen a side.

  • Mary Camfield

    “Conservative” a dirty word?

  • Michael McInnis

    Here is part of the problem.

    I consider myself very conservative on fiscal issues. We spend too much money, our government is too big, and we need to address that.

    I am also much more moderate on social issues like Gay Marriage, equality, and aspects of our economy.

    The Republican party actually does a poor job on almost every issue that is important to me. Bush’s Republican administration were big spenders. They had a chance to actually right the spending in this country and instead of moving towards a smaller government spent like Democrats.

    Republican conservatism is more and more being regulated to social issues, which is too bad.

    • FaithColeridge33

      So you’re a leftist liberal. You just don’t want to pay for it.

      • Michael McInnis

        chuckle…I’ve been accused of a lot of different things. I can’t say as I’ve ever been accused of being a Liberal. Constitutionalist, or Libertarian might be a better description, but if it helps you sleep at night trying to insult people who perhaps agree with you on large segments of politics, then you need some help.

      • 4liberty

        BA-ZING

    • 4liberty

      A lot of Bush’s Republican administration was controlled by a Democrat congress. In the interest of the country, seeing as how they were elected, Bush moved to the left and as a result, signed bills that were passed by congress even though they were not necessarily conservative. Unlike 0bama who would instantly veto anything that goes against HIS agenda. Not that Harry Reid would ever bring it up in the senate. Hence we are where we are!!

    • Finrod Felagund

      If you can’t see that while the GOP has fallen down on the job when it comes to spending issues, the Democrats are still many times worse, then you’re not much of a fiscal conservative.

      • Michael McInnis

        So it is wrong to point out the problems I see with the Republican party? I tend to look at each candidate as separate people and try to decide which side does actually support those policies that I believe in?

        The Bush Republicans started the NSA, the DHHS, the TSA, No child left behind, and a host of other government expansions. None of that was fiscally conservative, and there are some chunks of it that definitely intrude on things that I believe are personally important. The Democrats continuously prove to be worse, but why would I or anyone else automatically blindly follow a political party that is the lesser of two evils?

        • drw

          The lesser of two evils is still less evil.

          • Michael McInnis

            I really can’t argue with that, but I’d sure like to be proud of my vote instead of needing a shower after I cast it.

          • drw

            Look at it as a process, The R’s have been blasted for so long regarding their lack of “feelings” for the “oppressed” that they’re beginning to believe it. It’s never been about feelings and deep down they know it. it’s about liberty and responsibility and the only way to return to that message is to convince them of its validity. As long as we hold them responsible and prove our commitment by replacing them as quickly as we can find one more committed to liberty, the sooner they’ll get back to the program.

        • Finrod Felagund

          Well, for starters the NSA was founded in 1952 under Harry Truman, and DHHS was originally founded as the Federal Security Agency in 1939 under FDR. But that aside, the Republican Party is never going to get more fiscally conservative without people like you getting involved and fighting the party establishment. Otherwise the RINOs will run things because there’s no one or not enough people to challenge them.

          • Michael McInnis

            Apologies, I should have been more clear. I was referring to the NSA spying on US citizens, enacted after 9/11. The DHHS was intended to be the DHS (Department of Homeland Security). My apologies.

    • AuAgFinder

      I’m there with you on most of your comment. I don’t agree with positions that cause government to intrude in our lives. Protect us from external threats and leave us alone on the rest of it. The finances would be taken care of if the scope of government was drastically reduced. Too much money is spent to “promote the general welfare”, which can mean practically anything.

  • Ya Dont Say?

    Give it time, she might figure out how she’s been pulling the D-onkey cart for more of the SAME stuff she is railing against.

  • DonkeyHoatie

    The real story here isn’t that a union member got pissed at her union(s). The bigger story is that the unions can’t figure out what to do with the “Affordable” Care Act any better than the rest of us can and they were the ones pushing for it.

  • blank

    > I am pissed at my union. #Venting This is not a commentary on my political views as a whole. I’m not this or that. Don’t lump me in.

    In other words, Mz Carpenter isn’t learning from her experience.

    • Spoiler Alert

      Just playing it safe. She doesn’t want Obama sicking the IRS on her like he did Jon Voight

  • Phillip Burdine

    I am a Independent Tea Party Patriot and will remain an Independent until Republicans in Congress adhere to our Constitution.

  • jetch

    Her union assumed the worst when she became a member. I’m pretty sure that Hollywood union is not independent, but is using her dues to benefit democrats and left wing nutjobs. she’s a moron.

  • joeschmo8675309

    Where is Ross Perot when you need him?

    • Mike

      Hopefully not costing the right another election.

      The LEFTIST morons don’t even realize if Ross Perot didn’t win the election for CLINTON then we would never have had the housing bubble collapse.

      • joeschmo8675309

        You have to admit that Lewinski “phony scandal” was entertaining. Even more so is how Clinton’s wife is so power hungry that she stayed with him so she could get elected. Where else would see such pathetic liberal behavior?

  • Msgtdubb

    In my active working years I was screwed over by the UAW-CIO, to the point that when looking for employment, the first thing I would ask, is if they were union. If the answer was yes, I would leave. On the same note, I resigned from the GOP and re-registered as an Independent. I had enough of the two-faced rinos.

  • Larry G.

    For Charisma Carpenter, beauty and silicone is an apparently effective defense from liberal scathing condemnations ???

    • Message

      Silicone? Didn’t you see the playboy… no silicone there.

      • Corey Dennison

        Damn straight!

  • Jimholton

    Albeit it is nice to have such nice eye candy not be afraid to call the unions onto the carpet.

  • tacticomp

    ‘Independent’ , (or sometimes “Moderate”) are buzzwords that the Leftist Loons use as a cover, or a distraction to mislead–even Juan Williams went to the extend of branding himself as a “Libertarian”(LMAO) for crying out loud!
    With that said, let’s wait to see if Charisma’s ‘revelation’ is just a mere whine on fair policies on her (union membership), or a reflection of her actual core beliefs.

  • alvinjh

    Union: An organization that takes money from you, then tells you how to vote and think in newsletters and sanctions you if you publicly disagree.

  • John Payne

    Christina just became Mayor Rizzo’s definition of a conservative; A liberal who was mugged the day before.

  • Salvatore Lagonia

    Baldwin’s reply is hilarious.

  • Mackie

    Unions in the entertainment business are ridiculous. John L. Lewis would roll over in his grave if the unions in the entertainment business were considered representative of what he believed in. They have got a separate union for every entertainment skill and they make you pay through the nose to join without any guarantees of employment.

    The people who get to be union reps. are always trying to sucker law enforcement officers into enforcing there union rules on field jobs if they see non-union employees.on a location. I dealt with this for years, and I got so frustrated with these people who do not understand that police only enforce penal codes and vehicle codes.

  • Texan357

    #union just became a dirty word

    Just?

    • mickeyco

      What can you expect from an actress named Charisma?

      • Corey Dennison

        Eh…give her time. It sounds like she may be catching on, even if slowly.

  • American-By-Choice

    I prefer “Socialized-Labor”. But to each their own, I suppose.

  • descolada9

    Health benefits, pensions? I used to have those…

  • DANEgerus

    A Conservative is a Liberal who used to have real healthcare coverage

  • DeadlockVictim

    When I saw her name, my first though was “I didn’t know SAG covered porn actresses.”

  • AlCashier

    ‘independent’ means she is afraid to say which way she votes because if she says she is (at all in any way even leaning) Conservative, she will be blacklisted by the Communist-run Hollyweird Commiewood.

    • Baba Ghanoush

      Great minds think alike

    • Mike

      There is no question she fears losing work. Those people are horribly bigoted as they claim they aren’t.

      It is disgusting. To the point where we KNOW Obama sicked the IRS on conservatives! We KNOW he did it because if he didn’t do it someone would have been fired. But how can you fire someone for doing what YOU Told them to do?

      Take CHRISTIE for example… HE FIRED SOMEONE!! They didn’t run out saying CHRISTIE TOLD ME TO!!!

      But Obama cant fire someone because they WILL say Obama told me to do it and why should I love my job because I did what I was told to do!

  • Chuck Griffiths

    Yeah, she’s still on board with bad ideas that affect others–just not the ones that affect her. What, suddenly she’s supposed to be able to make logical linear connections?? She repeats words others write for a living. She doesn’t split atoms.

  • Baba Ghanoush

    Independents are people who are too afraid to associate with the republican party.

    • Michelle ✓classified

      I’m not afraid to associate myself with any party, if I completely stood behind all their beliefs. I’m an Independent who agrees mostly with the right, but not entirely including not on some issues that are important to me. Should I call myself a Republican anyway? I think doing so would be disrespectful to Republicans. I don’t not totally or always agree with them, so I won’t disrespect by calling myself one just because people think I’m “afraid” to. I call myself an Independent because I don’t stand behind one single party 100%. Why is that so hard for folks to understand?

  • AlCashier

    wish we knew who that man was on Conservative talk radio a few weeks ago, gave a great def of ‘independents’: they are afraid to publicly say who they align with but they DO totally align with one party.. also, they just feel ‘special’ -their- votes are ‘needed’ and pandered to.

    • Michelle ✓classified

      As in Independent myself, I completely disagree with “that man’s” opinion. I’m not afraid to publicly say with which party I align myself with: Mostly the Right, but a few issues on the Left. And know, I don’t “totally align with one party” because if I did, I wouldn’t be an…Independent, I’d be a member of that party. But it’s always amusing when folks try to define us and never get it right.

  • right_on

    Not, “Obamacare will fix it,” but “The Obamacare fix is in.”

  • upload

    How about we all just vote for freedom?

  • desselle0010

    You have four different unions because that means you have four big fat cat union bosses who have office space and a staff and travel and have expense accounts and pension plans all paid for BY YOUR HARD WORK!!! Just like the government does with Social Security, Medicare and now Obama care. It is all just more layers of useless management.

  • notenoughtime

    Most of us who pay for the union benefits are not able to enjoy the same healthcare and pensions. My advice to Charisma is enough with the belly aching; if you are not happy, take a job in the real world.

  • plaingolf

    Awww. Now that even celebrities are feeling the pain Obamacare is a real outrage! Freeloaders are next up. This makes for great theater!

  • stingerbee

    When an issue hits them directly and they start asking logical questions instead of going along with the trends of their ilk, this is how some ‘youngsters’ emerge to question the logic of the politics that surrounds them. I doubt she even know that her logic leans ‘right.’ So she’s Independent. And that is a GOOD sign that she won’t be bamboozled by the MSM or her work peers.

  • Barry A. Brewer

    Independent = person tired of spam snail mail and email party-centric garbage bombarding them all the time – at least in my personal case.

  • http://twitter.com/starwarsfan107 Hayekguy

    Sometimes being independent is a pain in the ass. When I say that, I mean registered unaffiliated in a state Oklahoma where we’re bared from voting in the party primaries. Though this is probably off the point. Perhaps leftist declaring themselves independent suggests they’re on the path to born again free marketism.

  • in_awe

    “looks like a new conservative is born” /// DON’T Assume the worst.”

    Guess she won’t be accepting the speaking slot at the next Republican convention…but Reince Preibis may just keep trying – you know, to make the tent more inclusive and all. If she’s not available, Reince could always turn to Ed Asner.

  • Eddie frOly

    Oh wow so being conservative is the worst thing imaginable to her? She has a weak imagination because I can imagine all kinds of things that are much worse. Like a Pelosi presidency!

  • mcwsunshine

    This lady has just woken up and realized that unions are massive extortionists. Amazing what goes on in Hollywood that allows people to live lives with their heads permanently stuck in the sand (or somewhere else)…at least one woke up.

  • Zach Smith

    Oops! Hoist with her own petard.

  • Yo mon

    Someone has no balls. Oh wait that is hollyweirdos for ya!

  • CrispusA

    I asked a friend who claims to be an independent, he is a lefty, if he would vote for a conservative. He said, ‘of course’. I asked him to name one and was met with silence (he couldn’t even name a libertarian he would support). Ask a true conservative to name a leftist (liberal does not fit them anymore) for whom he/she would vote and you would receive the same silence. “Independent” is the convenient moniker adopted to avoid debate or voicing your opinions. I am registered ‘independent’ in MA because I can then vote in any primary, it’s that simple. Independents can see both sides of an issue: what a load of claptrap. Everyone can see both sides of any issue, it comes down to which side they will support.

    • Michelle ✓classified

      So, you’re going to paint all Independents with the same brush just because your friend couldn’t name a Conservative he would support? When I lived in MA, I was registered as an Independent because…I truly am one. I don’t agree 100% with any party, so why would I align myself with one? That would be dishonest. “Independent” isn’t a “convenient moniker” for me, I do not avoid debate and everyone around here certainly knows I have no problem voicing my opinion (and neither do I in my personal life).

      • CrispusA

        Independent is a trite way to allow a person to seem above the fray. It is a way of avoiding saying you are conservative or leftist. You would still vote for the Democrat if you are a leftist and a Republican if you are conservative. Yes, I paint independents as people who won’t admit their leanings. I am a libertarian with heavy conservative overtones. I do not identify with the Republicans but would vote for them over the Democrats.

        I do not ask that you align with a party. But you do align with a poilitical philosphy. The term ‘independent’ has become corrupted like so many of our other political terms. Hide behind any word you need to hide behind, you would still vote for the person who would most closely represent your independent status: Democrat for the left, Republican for the right.

        Ask yourself this: if you are on the left, is there a conservative for whom you would vote? If you are on the right, is there a leftist for whom you would vote? If the answer is no (and if you are honest, it is ‘no’), you are not an independent.

        • Michelle ✓classified

          Wow, you are just intent on living with your assumptions with a very closed mind. You seemingly have a need to put people in neat little boxes that make sense to you even if they don’t reflect reality. I am an Independent who leans to the right (Republican). Everyone who knows me either on here or in person knows this about me. Yes, I would vote for a Democrat (and actually have more than once in my life) as long as they weren’t Liberal with destructive ideas (Ya know, like a current President – would NEVER vote for him). And yep, I’ve voted Republican (more than once in my life) as long as they aren’t extreme and do understand the true nature of the role of government as clearly defined in our Constitution.

          Clearly you just want to believe what you want to believe about something you don’t agree with or even understand.

          Have a great day!

          • CrispusA

            You take offense very easily and you take this very personally. I see no real difference between the parties. Lieberman was the last Dem (he had to run as an independent because the lefties booted him from the Democrat party) that I could imagine not being destructive. Republicans are Democrat lite…not so destructive. This was a generalization…there are no absolutes but you seem to want to label me as an absolutist. For every rule, there are exceptions. Vote for the lesser of two evils or vote neither of the evils.

          • Michelle ✓classified

            I’ve taken no offense, I’ve tried to explain to you that how you choose to define Independents isn’t a description that fits us all. Anyhoo – I’ve explained myself a few times and you still aren’t capable of simply admitting you don’t have the perfect definition of an Independent. I have no interest in reading anymore of your replies on the subject – you want to believe what you want to believe which is nothing more than what you want to believe. Toodles.

          • CrispusA

            Sorry, hun, you did take offense and then you proceeded to try to put me in a box…something you didn’t like when you thought I was doing it to you. Evidently, you do not understand my point. And you seem to feel the need to defend yourself. I understood your explanation concerning your “independent” stature the first time and you may be an exception to a rule, living in leftist MA, that generally holds true. Gosh, I am sorry I won’t get any more answers from you. Enjoy your righteousness. “…you want to believe what you want to believe which is nothing more than what you want to believe..” Pure sophistry. Gosh, I am so glad you put me straight.

    • John Thomas “Jack” Ward III

      I’m an Independent Tea Party Conservative (former GOP Republican), and I can tell you which Democrats I support/vote for…NONE! I can also (proudly) say I voted for Reagan, Both Bushes (41 and 43), Jeb Bush (Governor of Florida), Lamar Alexander, and Pat Buchannan….To that blond bimbo from Breitbart, I DARE you to call me a LIBERAL/LEFTIST NOW!…Jawamax 8<{D}

  • Steve Evans

    “I am pissed at my union. #Venting This is not a commentary on my political views as a whole. I’m not this or that. Don’t lump me in.”

    I believe it was Pericles who said, “Just because you don’t want to be lumped in does not mean you will avoid lumpage.”

  • TheOriginalDonald

    If I ever met the heads of SAG and AFTRA they’re gonna wish they NEVER abused Ms. Carpenter-Jason Statham

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RX93O5p9pI0

  • Nicholas D. Wolfwood

    We understand, you fear being #BLACKBALLED. Hummm….Is that racist?

  • lainer51

    Duh – idiot, mindless voting has consequences!!!

  • Renny

    “Conservatives are right, but call me Independent cause, Hollywood.”

  • Rusty Jewell

    I think it was first cool to be openly gay before it was cool to claim to be independent. It will be a short lived fad though as they will get twice the amount of party donation requests.

  • Dan Tee

    Charisma is my woman!

  • Maryland_Malcontent

    Adam Baldwin? The actor from Firefly and Chuck?

  • Olde Rose

    My expectation is that CC is under the mistaken belief that her dues/union money fund her health and pension benefits. In point of fact, her employer pays for such things, under provisions of the CBA. Most bargaining unit members operate under that same misapprehension. The employer, not the union, pays the freight.

  • bjohnson55

    Better figure out what you stand for Ms Charisma or you will find yourself falling for anything.

  • John Thomas “Jack” Ward III

    @AllCharisma Welcome to the party, pal! #JohnMcClaine #BruceWillis #DieHard Jawamax 8<{D}

  • The Beech Bums

    Each of us should recognize that, in the fight for liberty, knowledge is our most potent weapon. Arm yourself: http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0094KY878

  • Ray Mccollum

    Most independents are those afraid to admit they were wrong!