Bernie Sanders recently said he wanted Wal-Mart to stop being greedy and “get off of welfare,” and his anti-Wal-Mart efforts continued last night:

Well, $20 trillion in national debt is also kind of “absurd.” Maybe next time Bernie will tell the bottom 130 million how much of that their kids and grandkids are on the hook for.

What should be done about it?

#FeelTheBern!

  • RblDiver

    “Whaaaa, they have more money than meeee! Moooooooooom!!!!!”

    • Ben Van Deventer

      You lack a basic understanding of the devastating effects that income inequality has on a society, especially of this magnitude. In order for capitalism to actually work, money has to be in the hands of the lower half, who will spend it quickly and stir local economies. The economy grinds to a halt when all of the money simply goes into the hands of billionaires that sit on it, rather than spend it at a local level.

      • Perso Nasplit

        When you tax people for making money, and then again for spending it, people will hold onto it. A flat national sales tax would solve that. Or a flat % on all forms of income.

        • Ben Van Deventer

          Your assertion has been demonstrated to be false throughout the entire economic history of our nation.

          • Maalox84

            How? When have we had a Flat Tax? Prove you are right, don’t just tell everyone they are wrong. Socialism and Communism has not worked at all. And if you point to Germany then just add in the fact that the Capitalist here in the Good ol’ USA provide their safety which costs us $$$, not them.

          • Perso Nasplit
          • AMD_Afficionado

            FairTax is liberalism. It is an affront to everything about America so, please, don’t push for it.

            The FairTax is a national sales tax only with hellish, economy-destroying, government-expanding liberalism grafted on.

          • Perso Nasplit

            Progressive tax structures is far worse that a flat tax. Besides taxing the people who make more for the fact that they are putting forth more effort(usually), it opens up the politicians to playing favorites to people who have money and buying votes of people who dont understand basic economics. A flat tax system forces the lowest paid person to pay the same % as the highest person, no matter the income. A national sales tax does the same thing on the purchasing end. You can either not tax necessities like food/clothing/shelter or you can refund every person what it would cost to live.

            On top of that, you get rid of every loophole and deductions, simplify the tax code to less than an 8×11 sheet of paper, and get rid of the IRS or at least shrink it to a few thousand rather than hundreds of thousands.

          • AMD_Afficionado

            A national sales tax is one thing. The FairTax is something far, far different.

            It takes a solid idea and perverts it into a liberal monstrosity. Which, looking back at history, is how most all liberal movements take hold.

            FairTax is inherently unfair, requires a new massive federal bureaucracy with about as much power as the IRS, destroys the economy, puts every American on de facto government rationing for essential goods (moochelle obama probably dreams of this) and puts every American onto government welfare (which FairTax calls by a euphemism, the “prebate”).

          • Ben Van Deventer

            The exact Flat Tax being proposed is a lower effective tax rate on the rich. When taxes on the rich are highest (and higher % than the taxation on the poor), the economy simply does better. Look it up. When you have very small entities accumulating vast amounts of wealth that drive up income inequality, society as a whole suffers in almost every measurable way. No business has ever gone out of business because they had too many customers who were able to buy their product.

          • Girl who talks with her claws

            Why not tax those who provide jobs & generate commerce on a lower level & tax the living hell out of the people who really do sit & count the money they made just for being cute: Hollywood. You know, the ones who did very little to earn their millions/billions, yet are worshiped by the Leftists as being so awesome. For some reason, you don’t expect the idle rich like Bouncie & Jayz to part with any of their money, which helps exactly no one but themselves, while hating on people who worked their asses off to get where they are and who provide jobs for millions of us po’ folk.

          • Ben Van Deventer

            Everyone always seems to argue this from an ethical stand point. “Oh, they worked so hard though, they *deserve* to have a 3 billion dollar fortune.” “Oh screw them though, they didn’t earn that money the same what these people earned their money.” That’s not the point… The point is that the economy does not turn when wealth is extremely dis-proportional. It’s consumers that drive the economy, and they need more spending power.

          • Girl who talks with her claws

            The real POINT is that it’s not your money to take.
            Worry about yourself and quit being motivated by greed and laziness.
            I’m dirt poor, but if you inherit $100,000, I don’t expect you to give me any of it.
            Greed and envy will eat you alive-as proven by the soulless eyes of the average prog. Worry about yourself. Be happy with what you have or work hard to get more.

          • Ben Van Deventer

            I’m already a home owner at 27. I’ve worked very hard for what I have, but I also understand that economic systems can be broken when inequality reaches a certain level. That’s the real issue. Capitalism will ultimately fail if all of the wealth ends up in the hands of the few and people are left powerless, (no matter how defensible you deem the process by which that inequality has occurred “well poor people shop at walmart! It’s their fault!”, etc.). This is already happening. It’s already been demonstrated in the past as well.

          • Petrucio14

            You own a home with all of the homelessness all around you! Soulless bastard! The government should take your home and excess earnings and distribute them to the less fortunate. Greedy money-grubber!

          • http://wandererswaysite.wordpress.com Wanderer

            The really pathetic thing is you actually believe this nonsense. You clearly have no concept of how capitalism works.

            Kindly stop talking. I’d say I’m done with you but I was done before I started.

          • Ben Van Deventer

            So what do you say to the FACT that the economy is CHANGING and the middle class in SHRINKING?

          • Perso Nasplit
          • de66ie

            You’ve achieved home ownership. There are scores that have not. Isn’t that income inequality on a smaller scale? You should now give 80% of your paycheck to one who does not own a home. Or give your job to someone less fortunate so they can earn money to own a home. That seems like a ‘fair’ way to alleviate income inequality in your town, neighborhood, etc, right?

          • Ben Van Deventer

            80% of my paycheck? I’m not a billionaire.

            And why should I do those things if everyone else won’t pitch in? (Hint: that’s why we’re proposing policies where EVERYONE is required to pitch in. There’s a HUGE difference there.)

          • moodydon

            When Obama and the Dems raised personal income tax rates, many/every pro athlete renegotiated their contracts, to spread out the income over more years and reduce their tax liabilities..

            Taking that a step further, assume you make $15 per hour and work 40 hours… that’s $600 per week,,, at 80% you take home $120 after taxes..

            Question: What is your incentive to work, when taxes take $12 of the 15?

            Take a step further… you work hard to make a $1 million per year, but after federal taxes you keep $200,000… minus SS, minus Medicare, minus state taxes, minus any personal city taxes, minus health/dental, minus rent/mortgage, minus car payment, and anything else you owe money on…

            Do you have anything left over for food, beer, gas, utilities, entertainment, family, Christmas presents, 401k/IRA’s?

            So what is my incentive to work, IF I have next to nothing after taxes?

          • de66ie

            “that’s why ‘we’re’ proposing policies where EVERYONE is required to pitch in.” So by ‘everyone’ you are including the elderly, working poor, etc. Certainly any ‘requirement’ no matter how small will hurt them more than anyone in any other category.

          • de66ie

            Oh! Do as I say, not as I do…very telling. Who gave you the authority to decide that billionaires are the targeted group? So millionaires are off the hook?

            Do you understand socialism? I dare say, you do not. Not as a hardworking, 27 year old, structural engineer, homeowner.

            You probably save and invest your money. When the come knocking on your door to strip you of your worldly goods, your head will be spinning because you will be confused (but I was one of the people who supported
            Sanders-unabashed socialist.) But, you will be part of the income inequality camp. Equally poor & destitute looking for any goodies the government will pass along to you.

            fee.org/freeman/why-socialism-failed/

          • Ben Van Deventer

            Real world example: I want all of us in the house to chip in $500 to buy a hot tub or new TV or whatever it is, but I’m not going to go in and put down a deposit on one unless everyone else is committed, because otherwise the very specific goal *doesn’t happen* and my input is in vain. It’s no different than wanting everyone to agree and commit to building a new bridge or transit system; we’re perfectly okay with our tax money going to *those causes* that better society, we just want to be involved in that decision and make sure everyone who is able is contributing to it. I don’t see why I would be expected to *front money* for that without first having the backing of the collective via a vote and commitment.

          • Ben Van Deventer

            And Sanders has fought for the powerless his entire life. He organized for MLK for crying out loud. He wants to expand SS benefits. He’s not some lunatic who wants to strip the poor of possessions. You guys all sound like morons when you say this stuff.

          • de66ie

            He marched with Dr. King. He lead a gypsy-style life between NY and VT until he settled in VT to write for obscure ‘newspapers,’ settling in on writing about the sexual fantasies of men dominating women to perform fellatio. More disturbing are his writings of sexually theories/fantasies he believed woman to have… being dominated and raped by 3 men at once. There’s your guy’s history.

          • de66ie

            Where will the $ come from for expanded SS? You misread my post.
            I said nothing about stripping the poor of possessions. I said that YOU probably save and invest your money. When they come knocking on your
            door to strip you of your worldly goods, [you may have to sell your worldly goods to pay taxes.] You will be part of the income inequality camp. Equally poor and disheartened.

          • moodydon

            “Or give your job to someone less fortunate so they can earn money to own a home.”
            – – – – – – – –
            Yes.. by all means let’s give Ben’s job and Ben’s home to some illegal from south of the border or one of those Muslim refugees…
            IF you are going to lecture us about income equality or the lack thereof, then you need to be one of the 1st in line to give up what you worked so hard for..

          • JV

            Actually

            You understand NOTHING about the “economy”

            Firstly, the gov produces NOTHING and cannot exist without TAKING from those who earn it

          • maggieinWY

            We haven’t had real capitalism in decades. Socialist corruption has turned our successful capitalist system into $hit over the past several decades.

          • http://wandererswaysite.wordpress.com Wanderer

            He talks like there is a finite amount of wealth and then claims to understand how bad this fairy tale monster is for capitalism. What he doesn’t know isn’t nearly as bad as what he does know that ain’t so.

          • Silence Dogood

            Then lower the tax rate of PEOPLE, get gov’t OUT of capitalism and the markets and let it move. When gov’t is pumping 65Billion dollars into the economy for the last two years as QE, what do you think happens to our spending power? Hint: It drops as the dollar’s value goes down.

          • tverle

            It so often seems that people forget that so many people are poor because of the decisions they make. And, when given money, they continue to make those same bad decisions. I have a friend that was in a bad financial position. A church ‘adopted’ her family for Christmas. Along with gifts for the kids and a Christmas dinner, they gave her a $300 Walmart gift card. She took the card, and instead of keeping it to make sure she could eat after the one meal they provided, bought a dvd player, a video game player, and of course her cigarettes. So it didn’t take any time for her to be out of food and needing help for her hungry family again. She has a lifetime of making bad decisions and equalizing income won’t make her better at it. She’ll just have more of someone else’s money to make her poor choices with.

          • bgbear_rnh

            and because some people make bad choices, the rest of us are suppose to give up many of our freedoms to make choices for ourselves.

          • bgbear_rnh

            They create wealth and jobs that benefits all.

          • Ben Van Deventer

            You want to work at walmart?

          • bgbear_rnh

            Why not?

          • Ben Van Deventer

            have fun

          • Deplorable AMERICAN™✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            OH I get it… See, Mr. Ben here never had to work an honest, hard day’s work to get the things he needed.. Ever.

            What was your first job, filing cases at Daddy’s law firm?

          • Ben Van Deventer

            I framed houses. Grew up on a 21 acre farm. My parents are not wealthy, and yet they are involved with *running* a local food pantry. I was simply good with math and able to apply my experience of construction to an understanding of civil engineering. I’m thankful for those experiences that gave me an opportunity.

            My “have fun” comment is directed at the fact that Walmart does not pay a living wage, so it’s hardly acceptable to defend walmart as creating so many jobs. They’re not quality jobs, they’re exploitive.

          • bgbear_rnh

            Walmart hires no drivers, no accountants, no HVAC engineers, no security experts, no lawyers, no electricians, etc, etc?

          • Knight64

            Walmart’s entry level wage for part time workers is not supposed to be a living wage. And you aren’t supposed to support yourself or anyone else on that wage.
            So in addition to confiscating the Walton’s money, you also want to direct the wages offered to everyone everywhere from your little Central Planning facility? Ask former residents of the USSR how that works.

          • bgbear_rnh

            That sounds rather elitist.

          • Deplorable AMERICAN™✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            I would, considering the job I have now is the only one I can get, because I have no car to get to another job, and it barely pays for my needs as it is. Oh but hey, maybe the 2 years I have towards my associate’s degree in CAD could help but.. oh yeah, no, it won’t.

          • Fingolfin

            You want to be the person who tells us that having no job is better than working at Wal-Mart? Fuck you.

          • Ed C

            You just explained why socialism never works…never will.

          • Deplorable AMERICAN™✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Go cry to the Rothschilds and the Rockefellers, you know, those generational wealthy people that had a hand in shaping the way America works now.

          • Fingolfin

            Okay now you are full of shit. Consumers DO NOT drive the economy. Consumers wouldn’t have anything any to buy without producers. Am I saying that consumers are not the foundation of a good economy? No, but investment spending, innovation and capital have a greater impact than consumption. Besides even if this were not true, your plan to tax people would still hurt consumption.

          • JV

            Then go out and EARN it with your mind and efforts

          • moodydon

            “It’s consumers that drive the economy, and they need more spending power.”
            _ _ _ _ _
            This is true…
            So by taxing the people, you take away their spending power and their ability to drive the economy… the more money low and middle income people have the more they spend, which creates more demand for goods and services…

            Thanks for making our point… Raising taxes and taking money from the rich does not help the low income and middle income people keep more of their hard earn paycheck.

          • JV

            Because cash, earned or inherited is called

            PRIVATE PROPERTY

            Property rights is a fundamental tenant of the USA

            NOONE has the right to forcibly confiscate private property no matter how good it makes you “feel”

          • Girl who talks with her eyes

            true dat

          • Silence Dogood

            Socialism fails. It has in every country it has been tried in.
            Flat tax argument: I make 10K, if my tax rate is 10%, I pay 1K. If the company makes 1M, their tax rate is 100K. So they’re STILL paying a higher tax rate than I am. See how this works? It’s called MATH.

          • Ben Van Deventer

            From my actual post “higher % than the taxation on the poor”

            That’s called READING.

          • Silence Dogood

            It’s not going to do anything. And that’s where you fail. The feds have received record levels of tax revenue the last three quarters. Did it help? Not one bit. The more they get, the more they spend. It’s that simple. Sorry you don’t get it.

          • aztectrumpet

            rate is the percentage. It’s the same percentage.

          • Silence Dogood

            Rate and percentage are ONLY mututally exclusive when dealing with LOANS. Not income. Sorry, go back to economics 101

          • Fingolfin

            You haven’t yet shown how taxing rich people equals more wealth in the hands of consumers. Also having too many customers is called a shortage and of course it hurts businesses.

          • Deplorable AMERICAN™✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Last I checked, taxes get paid to the government, not to poor people. I thnk Ben thinks there’s some direct payment system where taxes paid get sent to the poorest of Americans.

          • bgbear_rnh

            So it can be properly laundered before passing onto the serfs. Do not want to spread germs from all that filthy lucre.

          • Maalox84

            You do understand that when you try and take the money from the rich they move their money elsewhere. Look at all the business that has left (or is leaving) the country. Just because some professor in ‘fake world college’ points to when Eisenhower did this doesn’t mean it will work ALL the time.
            Also a Flat tax means there are NO DEDUCTIONS, you pay the tax percentage. And whenever a Democrat proposes only taxing the rich somehow my take home pay goes down and I am no where near that magic $250,000 level that somehow declares you as a rich person.

          • bgbear_rnh

            Also, in Eisenhower’s time there were so many tax dodges that no one really paid those higher tax rates. Much of the 50s boom was because the US still had the production ability while Europe was still re-building from the war.

          • Loud Noises

            So if said company created an amazing car for $15k and many Americans bought it, thus creating “income inequality,” that would be a bad thing?

          • JV

            Income inequality?

            Yea, the Soviet Union tried income equality and so did China

            Guess what they’re doing now?

            Fat drunk and jealous is no way to go through life

          • Ben Van Deventer

            I’m thin, sober and compassionate, so….

          • JV

            actually you’re extremely ignorant

            advocating the wholesale theft of other people’s property via the coercion of the government is NOT compassion

            its called accessory to theft
            its called envy
            its called coveting

          • http://www.DailyKosSux.com Ben Dover

            So has socialism.

          • Ben Van Deventer

            Not the kind being proposed.

          • RJ

            ya, this is a whole new kind of totalitarian dictatorship….you’re gonna love it.
            There is nothing like having the results of your hard work be forcefully striped from you and allowing you to live in a publicly funded hovel to make a socialist all warm and fuzzy.

            Socialism has killed 153,000,000 of it’s OWN people in the last century…but that is all history now.

          • Ben Van Deventer

            So you’re saying that no level of income inequality is dangerous for the world economy? Even if just 3 people have 90% of the wealth, it’s not a problem?

          • bgbear_rnh

            It is not necessarily a problem if that were true.

          • Dwayne Mountain Dew Camacho

            Correct…it doesnt matter how much money your neighbor has…its meaningless.

          • Deplorable AMERICAN™✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Shorter BenVan: “So the world working as it has been in all of recorded history sucks.”

          • Penny✓ItsSoFluffy! #GoBolts!

            He’s truly a special kind of stupid, bless his little heart. Talk about your true believer…

          • RJ

            Ben is there a cap to the amount of money in your world?
            Is there some way to hoard money to the exclusion of others?

          • bgbear_rnh

            Of course, did you not read his “Monopoly” example below.

          • Fingolfin

            Firstly that is impossible. Secondly on a personal level it wouldn’t matter to me. Lastly, of course economically that would be terrible because those individuals would have almost absolute power. Yet again I want to question why you have a problem with large amounts of money being in the hands of individuals, but not when it is the government.

          • bgbear_rnh

            Jay Leno owns thousand of cars and I only 3 but, he can still only drive one at a time like me.

          • Knight64

            Wealth accumulation is not a zero sum game. Wake up.

          • JV

            in a word

            NO!!!!

          • http://wandererswaysite.wordpress.com Wanderer

            I can not believe he actually went to the “yeah but we’ll get it right this time” argument. I didn’t think even trolls were that shameless. I was wrong.

          • ButteryWench

            Yet Socialism has worked everywhere it was tried??

          • Ben Van Deventer

            It works in the right applications, at the right level, etc. Sanders is not proposing the government take over production, just that capitalism be reigned in enough to stop the runaway inequality that puts the system at risk and holds back our society.

          • bgbear_rnh

            I do not want people like Bernie deciding what “enough” is.

          • RJ

            Except that he has proposed those things repeatedly in his past. Just do a search for a yahoo article “sanders radical past” that was published Jan 17. It lists all those things that ben keeps saying don’t exist

          • Deplorable Jesse-Messy Hammer

            …So says the BernFeeling troll who doesn’t know the difference between “capitalism” and racketeering.

          • Deplorable Jerry Camp

            So, things were better when the US had a national flat sales tax?
            .
            By the way, when was that, specifically?

        • Girl who talks with her claws

          Hey, we got us a BernieBot!
          I’ll bet it has a Bernie sticker on the back of its car as an explanation for why it turns right out of the left turn lane with no signal on.

          • Perso Nasplit

            ok. Sure. Bernie wants a fairtax? News to me.

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DsqjW3_5Lhw

          • Penny✓ItsSoFluffy! #GoBolts!

            If his avatar is correct, that boy is still wet behind the ears and clueless. He’s also a special snowflake who’s here to set all of us old farts straight about why capitalism sucks, this country sucks, and whatever else his “teachers” indoctrinated him with. He’s probably riddled with white guilt, too. Basically, we’re dealing with a real life pajama boy.

            Make sure you send him running home to Mommy clutching his blankie because the mean old lady argued with him using reality.

          • Ben Van Deventer

            27 year old structural engineer and home owner.

          • Deplorable AMERICAN™✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            And next year you may be penniless, homeless and an amputee. What’s your point?

          • Ben Van Deventer

            Maybe see the post I was replying to?

          • Deplorable AMERICAN™✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            I did, no worries.

          • JV

            and not a very bright one – hopefully the structures you design are no where near me

          • Perso Nasplit

            They were posting a reply to me….so…..

          • Penny✓ItsSoFluffy! #GoBolts!

            Oh, I know, Perso. I’m just not going to directly respond to/engage with a troll, especially not a special snowflake. 🙂

            Look at his response to me. He says he’s a homeowner. Sure…. He also says he’s an engineer. He may be educated (which I sincerely doubt), but he’s definitely not very bright.

          • Perso Nasplit

            People who say “oh yea, Im an -insert job here relavent to the discussion- ” I have a hard time believing that they have that career. Sure, some do, but I dont trust them. Im in the electronics/radar/comm field. No college degree, but that doesnt mean anything.

          • Penny✓ItsSoFluffy! #GoBolts!

            These days, there’s not a lot of college degrees that do. I have one in health information management but it doesn’t matter to these comment boards. The special snowflakes like to tout their college educmactions but it doesn’t help them sound very smart when they can’t grasp the basics of life in general.

          • Perso Nasplit

            My sister is a teacher, and going for her masters in education. One of her classes asked about educations, with implied connotations of college educated, and my sister brought me up as an example of someone trained by non-college ways, almost trade educated, who has a very good knowledge. Im no genius by any means, but I know more about my field than many college educated people. Honestly, Id be very happy if we brought back apprenticeships.

          • Penny✓ItsSoFluffy! #GoBolts!

            Me, too. 🙂

          • RJ

            They also all “pay more in taxes then you make in a year”. They all have a grandmother who lives,without transportation, 200 miles from the nearest place to get an id but can somehow manage to get there to vote. And they all know a poor catholic girl who got pregnant, was unable to get an abortion because of all you horrible pro-lifers and was ostracized by her family, only to end up as a street walker.

            They must keep all the standard lies in a jar next to their computer.

          • Kimberly

            I don’t get so many catholic school girls as I get the ten year raped by her uncle and pregnant. And I am evil because I don’t just accept 1.2 million abortions yearly in America because of the 1 in a million chance that a ten year old may get pregnant. Forget the fact that every law proposed always makes exceptions for rape and that fact that 1/3 of 1% of abortions are performed because of rape. We are to just shut up and let the killing commence because of “women’s healthcare” BS.

          • JV

            correct

            computer science

            no degree

            work with bell labs

          • Girl who talks with her claws

            I have to go to work shortly, so you guys give it a good spanking for me.

          • Penny✓ItsSoFluffy! #GoBolts!

            Have fun, and happy Monday! Hope your workday starts off better than mine did. Ugh.

          • de66ie

            As you note, he needs to check his white privilege and stop talking…. give his job [or earnings] to someone who ‘needs’ it.

          • Perso Nasplit

            So, you havent responded to me, but Id really like to hear how supporting the flat/Fair tax would be considers a “berniebot”. Never been called one of those for supporting those plans.

          • Girl who talks with her eyes

            I’m with you on the flat tax thing, and I would never call you such a foul name!

          • Perso Nasplit

            Thanks for clarifying. I was wondering how that would be something his supporters would like.

          • Girl who talks with her eyes

            No offense intended at all.

          • Perso Nasplit

            I shouldnt have even thought that was what you meant, so I apologize for that. It appears my cynicism got the better of me again. At least I didnt fly off the handle and insult you though. Glad for that.

          • Perso Nasplit

            Still waiting to find out why you think I am a “BernieBot”. Not everyone is on here all the time, so Ill assume you just havent had time to respond. Eagerly awaiting.

          • Tigerspike

            I think she was referring to the guy you were talking to as the BernieBot, and was including you in the “we” part of the comment. Maybe?

          • Perso Nasplit

            perhaps, but why respond to my comment and not his?

          • Tigerspike

            I don’t know. Maybe she didn’t want to engage the troll directly?

          • Girl who talks with her eyes

            Sorry, I meant it like “Hey Perso, we got us a live one!”

          • Perso Nasplit

            I musta misread that. I was thoroughly confused for a while(probably a fairly normal state

        • AMD_Afficionado

          Or we just return to direct taxation and excise taxes. Far better than having to pay the government for the privilege of making money or the privilege of making a purchase 🙁

      • John Galt

        I know this comes as a bit of a shock, but the rich don’t stuff their money in mattresses. They invest it, put it to work. And pick an investment, you’ll see that it involves money being spent, wages being paid, goods being purchased.

        Sit on it? Show me one wealthy person who “sits” (presumably in some sort of non-investment?) it, and I’ll show you a thousand more that invest in order to earn MORE money. How do you think they get/remain wealthy?

        • The Marathon Man

          It doesn’t work, John. Mr. Van Deventer and the other libturds of this country KNOW that all that cash sits in a mountainside vault somewhere, with the express purpose of keeping it all out of the hands of the “great unwashed”. None of them WANT to understand how capitalism works.

          • journogal

            Is this the vault protected by the Koch brothers or the Illuminati? I tend to get my liberal/progressive conspiracy theories mixed up.

          • Ichneumon Jones

            Leftists “learned” everything they “know” about wealth by reading Scrooge McDuck comics, especially the parts about the vault full of cash piled 100 feet deep.

      • bgbear_rnh

        How do they “sit on it”? The wealth is only unused if it is buried in the ground or hidden in a mattress.

        • mrs_oerebts

          In a vault, like Scrooge McDuck, obviously.

          • bgbear_rnh

            Same thought I had, swimming around in a pool filled with of gold coins.

          • Deplorable AMERICAN™✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Pretty Woman scene, rolling around on the bed in it?

      • Deplorable AMERICAN™✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

        Stupid people seem to forget about the overbearing regulations that this administration has introduced into this capitalistic society on all business, large and small alike.

        Oh looky here. So do you.

        The magnitude of “income equality” as you put it, was much, much worse, in the early years of this country. Did you fail history and literature in school?

        • Penny✓ItsSoFluffy! #GoBolts!

          He’s failed at common sense so….

        • journogal

          A few years ago, Bernie Marcus of Home Depot was telling Neil Cavuto it would be impossible to open up an Home Depot and expand given all of the regulations now.

      • Fingolfin

        They don’t sit on it you fool. If they did they wouldn’t remain profitable. Why is it wrong for a billionaire to save money but not a poor man?

      • RblDiver

        My company handed out bonuses last week. When all was said and done, the government got 35% of my money. That’s 35% which I can’t use on stuff for my new house I’m buying. That’s 35% that’ll go through bureaucracy, get wasted, piddled, and then spent on underpasses for turtles. Thanks but no thanks.

        • Ben Van Deventer

          Actually, most of it went toward defense spending and *corporate* welfare. And protecting the environment is a worthwhile investment.

      • JV

        Money isn’t in the economy bc of wealthy people?

        I truly hope this is sarcasm

        Otherwise you just demonstrated to the entire world that you’re an imbecile

        • Ben Van Deventer

          So many name-calling replies!

          • JV

            calling you an imbecile isn’t exactly calling you names

            in your case its obviously much more than a name

      • moodydon

        Billionaires and even millionaires do not sit on their money…that money is ‘working’ to make more money.. invested in the stock market, invested in other business’, real estate, whatever…
        That money is not sitting in a savings account or stuff in a mattress…

  • Doc Farmer✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ ᵈᵉᵖˡᵒʳᵃᵇˡᵉ

    Straining at gnats, now. This class envy stuff doesn’t really match the majesty that IS the Federal Debt…

  • Dwayne Mountain Dew Camacho

    Bernies philosophy:

    “People cant be trusted to run a company…thats why you should elect people to government to run those companies”

    • Doc Farmer✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ ᵈᵉᵖˡᵒʳᵃᵇˡᵉ

      My GOD! It all makes SENSE now…

      Wow, liberals are dumb…

    • journogal

      There are devout progressive socialist who believe this. I don’t know and can’t understand why some believe the government will do a better job and be fair.

      • grais

        Well, it’s a happy thought. The fact that it’s a silly myth doesn’t enter into it for them.

        • Mark81150 school of the Duke

          yep.. they want Bernie to bring them all the equality and fairness of the good old Soviet Union….
          .
          where everyone was equal-
          .
          ly miserable….
          .
          The fact that the dried up old Bolshevik son of a bitch “honeymooned” in the Soviet Union at the height of the cold war,.. tells you EXACTLY what his goals are.. Train the peasants to HATE anyone wealthier than they are.. tell them it is money “stolen” from them..
          .
          The absurdity and ignorance of that is never explained to them… that the Soviets did indeed have a billionaire leech class, called “government officials”.. who lived like royalty as the common folks fought over scraps..
          .
          all Bernie is selling them is the same kind of dictatorial regime that terrorized the world for 70 years… where dissidents were locked away in prisons or insane asylums… but but but… they were all equal.. Bernie says so..
          .
          He counts desperately on the younger generation not knowing a thing about recent history.. the schools sure as Hell skip telling it.. TV ignores it.. and let’s lies, revisionism go unchallenged.. to a generation that never heard of a gulag..
          .
          The ultra rich liberal elites think they will stay at the top.. the left wing politicians will simply supplant them as the ruling elites.. and actors will be paid the same as plumbers.. sports figures, drafted into the Army and forced to work for the state.. Kids today, don’t know that was how the Soviets ruled..
          .
          and along comes the old sum bitch to slap some fresh paint on the greatest lie ever told…. that communist socialism works… They ought to ask former eastern block countries what they think of that…
          .
          we have a few citizens who comment here that grew up there.. a vast wealth of experience to learn from..
          .
          sadly too many of the spoiled brats think they can vote in a system where they do nothing.. yet live like Trump.. completely forgetting that hard work is required to create new wealth.. it’s never been created by government.. only stolen.

          • IBXNJ

            But if you were a Party member, you were MORE equal than others

          • The Marathon Man

            Unfortunately, few of the Berners were born when the USSR went crashing down, and the others keep the libturd notion that the Soviet Union just didn’t do it right…..

        • John Galt

          It defies logic that anyone believes the system that perpetuates every horrendously poorly-run gub’mint agency such as the Post Office, Veterans Administration, Dept of (fill in the blank with almost any agency) will somehow produce an efficient, smart management team to do a better job than Wal-Mart, Exxon-Mobil, IBM, Apple, etc., etc., etc.

          And yet, they do indeed think in such terms.

      • NRPax

        Because in their eyes, the servants of the federal government are anointed by God himself and are completely infallible and incorruptible. It’s one of the few times that people like that believe in God.

        • JV

          you just hit the nail on the head

          THIS is the very reason the progressives wish to remove God from the public square – so they can replace Him with the state

    • CrazyDaze✓veridicous

      And we all know that the government will run these businesses into the ground. I mean, run these businesses into the ground. Damn, what I mean is run these businesses into the ground. Well, I guess that is what I mean.

      • Mark81150 school of the Duke

        A government controlled, owned entity…
        .
        with all the public serving attitude of the DMV.. and the humanity of VA administrators….
        .
        and sue them if they fuck your life up?
        .
        are you kidding?…. that’s so cute it’s almost innocent as a day care inmate.. They’ll replace The Man..
        .
        with Big Brother… and call it a win.. that my friends is liberal “logic”…

    • lCOYAR

      He loves poor people so much, that he wants everyone to be poor!

      Except himself, of course.

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      • Ben Van Deventer

        No one is saying this….

        • Comrade Wootpool

          It would be implied by saying one would raise taxes..

          • Ben Van Deventer

            90% on *your* taxes? Are *you* a billionaire?! (It’s also NOT 90%)

          • RJ

            Only in the mind of a useful idiot can 90% become “NOT 90%”
            It was sanders own words. Stop trying to pretend that the guy is something other than a resentment pandering socialist who would destroy the US economy.

          • Ethanery

            Taxes are almost never absorbed by the producer, but are instead passed onto the consumer. So yes, the poor and middle classes would indirectly be taxed if the taxes for the upper class and businesses rose.

          • Ben Van Deventer

            Not when companies are taking record profits. There will simply be other companies that will tolerate lower profit margins to gain business. That’s competition.

          • Ethanery

            Often the increased tax rate pushes small businesses (such as franchises) over into the red. The large companies may be able take the hit, but the small businesses go under, and then the prices go back up.

          • Ben Van Deventer

            The small businesses don’t earn enough to be effected…

          • Ruffnek

            Everyone will be effected, his pipe dreams will cost far more than he would get from tax increases only on the “rich”.

          • Ben Van Deventer

            You’re missing the fact that when more people have high paying jobs, there’s more tax revenue.

          • Ruffnek

            Except raising taxes to “punish” the rich doesn’t create jobs, and Sanders ideology consists of expanding govmnt control, not decreasing it, the same govmnt that has a 19trillion dollar debt which increases each year despite the tax revenue being at all time highs as well. His free-college, single-payer ideas would require the taxes being raised on every group, and even that wouldn’t be enough to fully fund them. This man is by far the worst candidate on that stage, and its no surprise he’s being backed by SJW crybullies. Although his tweets do provide entertainment, its amusing watching a crusty old socialist ponder why a person can get a lower interest rate on a home loan than a student loan, dear lord.

          • Laticia

            And you miss the point that tax revenue is not the be all and end all. I don’t work so that I can pay taxes. It’s nice to know that you do. Now please, go pay my “share.”

          • Ben Van Deventer

            You’re speaking from the narrow perspective of a single tax paying individual. I’m speaking from the perspective of how do we improve the country.

          • Loud Noises

            You will NEVER improve the country by taxing the people more. Never.

          • Laticia

            You do realize the country is made up of “gasp” individual taxpayers. Again if you think tax revenue is the be all and end all…by all means contribute every penny you earn to tax revenues. I’ve got more important things to do with the money I earn. And a bug part if it is staying off welfare.

          • Laticia

            Because me staying off welfare and taking care of my family is a much bigger help to this country than any amount if tax revenues.

          • JV

            simple answer to improving the country

            SHRINK the size and scope of government

          • Ben Van Deventer

            Because deregulation of the banks and manufacturing has never lead to catastrophe, fiscal or environmental, right?

          • Loud Noises

            How about less tax revenue? Cut all the BS out of DC. Get the money back in the hands of earners and they will spend it. When they spend it, more jobs will come. It’s really simple. The more they take the less there is to spend.

          • Girl who talks with her eyes

            Mind-blowing Fundamental lack of understanding of economics, government and business.

          • soxfan4evah

            Good God, we have record tax revenue every year, and yet we continue to go further into the red every year, but let’s give the government even more money because surely they won’t squander it away. How about we let those people who make the money keep it and spend or invest it how they see fit?

          • mrs_oerebts

            They mean well, and that’s all that counts.

          • Loud Noises

            Exactly– the point is the govt sucks at managing money. Giving them more is never a good idea. We need to take it back — not give more.

          • Ethanery

            What is your cutoff point, then? And what about the businesses barely breaking even (not every large business is raking in Walmart profits)?

          • Laticia

            Says who? If I’m not earning enough…then I won’t be in business very long. People don’t own businesses to be nice. They own businesses to make money.

          • Ben Van Deventer

            They won’t earn enough to *qualify for the higher tax rates* being debated here, so they’re not in jeopardy.

          • RJ

            see Laticia, to a vote-pandering socialist liar, the need isn’t to fix anything, it is about picking out a scapegoat and fanning the flames of resentment.
            So of course YOUR taxes won’t go up…only those “evil” other people

          • Ben Van Deventer

            that’s an entirely nonsensical reply.

          • Ruffnek

            Actually it made perfect sense, Bernie is scapegoating the successful to pander to those who want the government to care for them, decades of the welfare state have created overgrown children who don’t understand the meaning of self-reliance. For instance if you don’t like a company because the higher ranks make far more than the base workers the answer is not government interference, the answer is to get the government the hell out of the way and allow young startups to grow and provide competition, but instead we have a government full of regulations and taxes and now we have a socialist who wants to increase both, claiming it will only effect those at higher brackets despite all evidence to the contrary, a perfect example is the tobacco tax, when that was increased the big earners of the tobacco company’s didn’t lose any of their wealth, they simply increased the cost of a pack of cigarettes, a pack that was $2 or $3 a decade ago is now $9. And we don’t even have to get into the massive amount of money wasted on Obamacare and the increased costs that the working class is now forced to pay. I’m reminded of a quote from Milton Friedman “a (socialist) government is a way by which every individual believes he can live at the expense of everybody else.”

          • Laticia

            But it’s the truth. What you posted was nonsensical as well. You have a nonsensical solution — it leads to nonsensical results.

          • Laticia

            So higher taxes are a bad thing…you used the terminology jeopardy. I want to make more money, and I don’t want to be forced to give it to Uncle Sam to fund things that I don’t agree with. Before you come up with the Roads thing…for the most part local taxes can cover the roads, schools, and other infrastructure…locally. Uncle Sam should have a minimal part of that…IOW, if the locals want a better road system in their town, then they should be willing to pay the taxes. If the people in Alaska want a bridge going to nowhere, then they should be willing to hike their taxes to pay for it. I live in Maryland and have not use for bridges to no where. Most of the things that you guys use against people that believe in limited government are things that can be handled at a local level. The fact that the state and federal governments have to get involved with regulations/funding is just insane and a waste of my time and money.

          • JV

            says the moobat from moonistan

          • Ben Van Deventer

            No, you don’t get to say this. She was offering an example that did not apply / was not relevant to the exact topic being discussed. I explained that reality and that’s it. She said “but what about my small business!” “We’re not talking about small businesses, we’re talking about companies that earn hundreds of millions, etc”

          • JV

            hence the core philosophy of libertarians

            by serving self interests, you serve others

          • Dwayne Mountain Dew Camacho

            As some one who runs a small business….you tardy brain…I can tell you first hand TWO of my largest customers… (both of which are large business) had to stop doing business with me…and fire the employers in the department that I directly worked with….because of Obamacare….so again…your inability to see large scale consequences caused by your pee brain little dullard understanding of economics…is showing.

          • Ben Van Deventer

            Sounds like they were running a poor business then.

          • Dwayne Mountain Dew Camacho

            Some business are only marginally profitable…dipwad…and still employ 100’s off people…these jobs..retards like you voted out of existence. You caused unnecessary suffering and pain for these people through your ignorance…and you are unashamed by it. A few decades from now…some other guy like me while be teaching a tard like you how to actually help people…and when he points out the massive failures of Bernienomics…the other guy will say…”Wrong type of socialism, brotato”

          • Ben Van Deventer

            When has increased taxation in the US ever crashed the economy?

          • Dwayne Mountain Dew Camacho

            http://www.usnews.com/news/the-report/articles/2015/07/16/unemployment-is-low-but-more-workers-are-leaving-the-workforce

            “Taxation” is often a slow disaster and goes hand and hand with over-regulation……it lead to a prolonged depression…which directly lead to a world war….it also is the reason why Russia never recovered from the collapse of the Soviet Union…(Hint: Al gore…went to Russia and implemented your dullard ideas).

            Then there is also the prolonged rescission we are in now…caused by Obama, and your myopic ideas.

            Also the Community reinvestment act (that changed during the Clinton Years)…which caused the housing bubble under the Bush administration…caused an economic collapse.

            Soooooooo….you know….just about every time.
            Also dipwad…when the taxation rate was 90% in this country…NOBODY paid it. Hollywood literally stopped making movies when they bumped up against that mark….which means the camera guy, lighting guy, stage hand, make up artists…etc etc….couldnt work anymore. Soooo…your ideas failed there too.

            So you fail….again. Let me ask you….how long do you think it will take a small brained little tard like yourself…to realize you’re the idiot that politicians pray on like Jonathon Gruber said.?

          • JV

            see 1977-1980 – the Carter years

            duh?

          • mrs_oerebts

            Apparently, all businesses must be instantly profitable, or you are running a poor business. None of this gradually building a business for progressives. Make enough to pay whatever we want to take from you or be called a failure. And these same people complain about huge companies. Well, your beloved regulations and taxes keep putting mom and pop out of business.

          • JV

            HAHAHAHAHAHA

            now you know why I said you’re an imbecile

            you just did it again!!!!

          • Ben Van Deventer

            Small businesses don’t earn enough to fall into the HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS earning brackets being discussed.

          • tverle

            Often those record profits are paid out in dividends and tend to boost their stock prices. Both of those are good for people that have 401ks or pensions that are invested. When you want to cut that short, what do you do for all of those middle class people that will be depending on those retirement dollars?

          • JV

            oh yes

            “profit”

            that dirty evil word

            LMAO

          • Ben Van Deventer

            Again, you fail to understand the context of why “profit” is mentioned. The proposition they made was that companies will “fail”. This simply isn’t true, not when there are HUGE profits; we could tax them heavily and they would still be well above water.

          • Comrade Wootpool

            Because an injustice doesn’t occur to me personally I can’t be against it?

          • Ben Van Deventer

            It’s not injustice if the system cannot sustain that level of inequality. We’re not going to watch capitalism destroy the world economy as this game of Monopoly nears its end, we’re going to start rewriting the rules so the game can continue.

          • Comrade Wootpool

            Some eggs most be broken huh?

            Nice philosophy

          • Fingolfin

            “That level of inequality”. Why don’t you go to Bangledesh and learn how good you have it.

          • Ben Van Deventer
          • bgbear_rnh

            He is saying that “income inequality” is not synonymous with “poverty”.

          • Fingolfin

            That has nothing to do with my post. You are a privileged brat who wants more than you are willing to work for. Also you should make note that the most unequal societies are those run by dictators.

          • Ben Van Deventer

            I don’t want more for myself, I’m already doing alright, I want a better society for all. I want there to be less poverty, less crime, more education, more civil rights, etc, even if it means that I have to make sacrifices of my own. Just because you lack the social empathy for such ideals and cannot possibly understand those desires doesn’t change why I hold them.

          • bgbear_rnh

            I suspect that Fingolfin and others here care about many of the same things you care about but they do not care for Bernie’s solutions.

          • Fingolfin

            What? I want those too, but unlike you I don’t believe in the fairytale that stealing money from the rich and giving it to the poor will solve these issues. You seem to think money can solve everything.

          • JV

            speaking of which

            the troglodytes liken themselves modern robin hoods

            trouble is they twist the story – Robin Hood actually stole from the TAX man to give it back to the people

          • Fingolfin

            How many homeless did you help yesterday? How many charities did you give too? How many incomes did you provide? You don’t want to make sacrifices for the needy, you want the government to force OTHERS to make sacrifices.

          • Ben Van Deventer

            Some of my projects at work are low income housing projects. I just volunteered with Habitat for Humanity. I donate when asked. I even tip heavily, etc. And yes, if the *majority* of people vote to make more social programs that help people, then we should. I’m happy to chip in and do my fair share of chores when I know everyone else in the house is on the hook to do the same, vs me just wanting a clean house and doing it all myself, see how that works?

          • Laticia

            Hy do you wait to be asked to donate? I give when I’m not asked but when I see a need. That’s the difference between you and me.

          • Ben Van Deventer

            “Would you like to donate a dollar to XYZ?” “sure.”

          • Laticia

            My point is that when I see a need I give either my time or money…it’s my choice.

          • Ben Van Deventer

            I really don’t understand any of your points. Everyone in here seems to be against all forms of government social programs, all taxation, all forms of government regulation (either financial or environmental), etc. If want that, go join an indigenous tribe.

          • Laticia

            You have no idea what we are for or against because you think that we don’t want any government. I don’t have an issue with government…but I believe that it doesn’t have the all encompassing purpose that you do. I believe government it’s there to be an impartial observer so that my rights and your rights don’t get trampled on. Your ights end where mine begin. It is not there to make sure that the poor eat, or have shelter…that is the job of charitable organizations and churches
            Most of them that don’t rely on government dollars for funding can doore good with one dollar than the government can with 1000. I don’t think the government should be involved in the market…because the market is more than money…it is information. When the government gets involved information is stymied so I can’t make an informed decision about what I’m going to do with my money. Governments duty is to make sure we all get along…but getting along doesn’t mean that we agree. I’m allowed to thing you are a dumb person for your thoughts. ..I’m not allowed to do physical harm to you because of it. Changing people’s opinions is not the job of government.

          • Laticia

            In other words you don’t actually sell put organizations that can use your time and money
            ..you wait for them to come to you.

          • Ben Van Deventer

            Go read the context of your question and then reread my response.

          • Fingolfin

            No because it flies in the face of human history. Never have any large group of people sacrificed their own self interest for “society”.

          • RJ

            If you want all those things (and who doesn’t?) then why would you back the very thing that has caused more poverty, abject slavery, misery and death than the system we have now?
            That makes as much sense as a soup sandwich.
            Our society has created the greatest wealth, opportunity and prosperity for everyone involved in the history of the world.

            Socialism has killed over 153,000,000 of its own people in the last century and enslaved and impoverished millions more.
            Every single place socialism has reared its ugly head, it has eventually caused either economic chaos or totalitarian dictatorship -EVERY SINGLE TIME.

          • tverle

            Then why don’t you live in a much smaller and less expensive apartment instead of a house? How much money did you spend on that house that you could have been out using on income equality? If you can even afford the the house, why didn’t you go to you employer and ask him to lower your wages and give the difference to someone in the company that makes less than you? Why haven’t you made those sacrifices?

          • Ben Van Deventer

            Because by buying the house I’m paying less than rent?

            The rest of your post fails to see the difference between an individual wanting to take individual action, and wanting a collective to agree that we all will take action. I don’t want to do all the chores in my house just because I want to see them done, I want ALL of the people in my house to agree that we will ALL chip in and share the task of keeping a clean house. Do you not understand that difference here?

          • tverle

            Probably not less than rent if you lived in a one room apartment. You’re being unfair to the people that can’t afford a house.

            Yes, I do understand that difference. But, if it’s really important to you that your house is clean and nobody is willing to help, shouldn’t you take the initiative and get it going? So you’re saying that if everyone won’t agree with you then that lets you off the hook for doing your part.

          • Ben Van Deventer

            It is less than the studio apartment I lived in for a year, and about the same as the 4 bedroom apartment that I split the year after that. Being unfair to the people who can’t afford a house? WHAT?

            You’re the minority in the house who doesn’t care to pick up a broom. The rest of us, the majority, are in agreement that we all want a clean house, and we feel that you should help too.

          • tverle

            Maybe I am the minority, but so far, the rest of you are just sitting around whining about how much you want the house clean. If the ‘majority’ of you got off your butts and did what you ‘know’ is the right way to do it, then my minority little self wouldn’t matter. You could do it without my help if you were actually willing to put in the work. The whine that you have to wait for everyone to be of the same mindset with you is a convenient excuse for not taking action, because you’ll NEVER have everyone willing to pitch it at the same levels. That’s human nature at the most basic of levels. There are givers and takers, hard workers and loafers. Until you can accept that you’re just living in a fantasy. Furthermore, what if I think the way you want to go about cleaning the house is ridiculous and won’t get the house clean? Why do I HAVE to do it your way until it fails and then also be responsible for putting it all back together?

          • Ben Van Deventer

            We’re quite literally taking a vote. If it passes, well then that’s democracy. You have to watch out when a majority gets their hands on the democratic process.

          • tverle

            And if you lose you’ll all shut up?

          • Ben Van Deventer

            We will continue to participate in the democratic process. The momentum is already there. Millennials are going to change their government year after year in the direction of their ideals.

          • JV

            you mean communism

          • Ben Van Deventer

            No, we’re just going to spend tax money on things we actually value, instead of war and corporate welfare. How is this so hard to understand?

          • tverle

            I see. So, if voter turn out proves that you are not the majority and that everyone doesn’t want to do it your way, you’ll just continue insisting that we do. But, if on the other hand, the votes swing in your favor, the other side should give up their ideals and go all in on doing it your way. Hooray for double standards!!

          • Ben Van Deventer

            Continue insisting that you do? No, we’ll keeping voicing that *we* do.

          • Fingolfin

            The Constitution is meant to prevent such a tyranny of the majority. This is why we don’t have a democracy.

          • Girl who talks with her eyes

            Figures that you would equate minorities with manual labor.

          • Fingolfin

            And when everyone thinks the same as you nothing gets done because we all shift the responsibility to someone else.

          • Loud Noises

            Yet you want more government, which is anathema to all the things you mentioned.

          • Ben Van Deventer

            I want *different* government. Don’t talk to me about “big” government when the GOP wants to control women’s bodies and give handout to big business.

          • Loud Noises

            Ah the old “control women’s bodies” argument. Utter nonsense.

          • Ben Van Deventer

            How?

          • Girl who talks with her eyes

            They sure as he’ll don’t control MY body.
            How do they control any woman’s body?

          • Fingolfin

            The argument about abortion is fundamentally about the personhood of the unborn, no more and no less. Any attempt to inject “controlling women” into it is just self serving mudslinging. And if you are one of those radicals who thinks that unsubsidizing birth control is “controlling women”, then you need to buy a dictionary.

          • Girl who talks with her eyes

            Please explain how the GOP controls women’s bodies.
            You are just a typical male chauvinist pig who thinks contraception is women’s work, and you have the right to plant all the unwanted babies you can, and expect the government to pay to have your own accidental children killed.
            Newsflash: Women do not need you or the government to keep them from being breeding stock. We can take pills, force YOU idiots to use condoms or have the self-respect to tell you to screw off.
            It’s pretty insulting that you think the government not buying abortions would cause us poor, helpless women to turn into nonstop baby machines.

          • Ben Van Deventer

            Women have the right to use BC and have abortions. Both are LEGAL.

          • Girl who talks with her eyes

            Duh. Of course they are.
            How does pulling government money out of Planned Parenthood affect the pursuit of either? Feminists want the government out of their bedrooms & bodies, but keep dragging it (and us) back in by demanding to use our money for it.
            If PP folded up tomorrow, there would be no actual change. We can still buy birth control and real hospitals do abortions.
            Of course, if you use the birth control properly you won’t need abortions. If you understand reproductive science and have an ounce of humanity, you shouldn’t need a law to tell you that it’s wrong and inhumane to kill your own child before it’s born.

          • Ben Van Deventer

            Oh I forgot, you guys are all so pro-life, except when it comes to the veterans, the homeless, the starving and the refugees.

          • Laticia

            Actually, Conservatives do more for the people you just mentioned than liberals do. Because we see a need and try to fill it. We don’t wait for the government to come up with the solution…we realize that we are the solution.

          • Ben Van Deventer

            Totally wrong. The need is not met by ordinary people, so the government has to step in. Progressive policies actually help solve the root causes poverty, instead of just treating the symptoms, e.g. donating a can of food, when a family ultimately has no financial mobility.

          • JV

            “I want there to be less poverty”

            There in lies your ignorance that earned you the label “imbecile”

            poverty has been with human kind since the beginning and will remain always

            to tout some type of utopian solution is beyond ignorant – the only thing socialism can equalize is EVERYONE to the bottom and poor, with exception to the ruling class of course

          • Ben Van Deventer

            Except for the countries that have extensive social programs that curb poverty, have laws that do not target minorities for disproportionate incarceration as a business model, etc.

          • journogal

            How about comparing some of those countries entire population to California or Texas. You might also want to check out their immigration policies as well. They don’t accept everyone.

            Individuality scares you and you want to be coddle. There are no guarantees in life. If you believe things are unfair, no one is stopping you from leaving.

          • RJ

            which is the same ridiculous lies that socialists have been screaming since the 1800s
            It was a lie then and it is a lie now.
            funny how socialists rehash the same worn out arguments every couple of generations or so…just long enough that the new batch of useful idiots are too young to remember the last socialist disaster

          • Dwayne Mountain Dew Camacho

            Bahahhahqhhahqhha….capitalism has been the greatest freeing force of human minds in all of existence. There is a reason …dipwad…that the US grew out of nothing to be the strongest economic/most technologically advanced society ever…in such a short amount of time. The SAME with israel, and Japan….which experienced the same levels of growth post war.

            Tards like you want is to go back to economic royality….where only the political class (i.e Kings and queens, and their chosen followers) succeed…the government picks the one who eats….and the people who can create and grow the world economy are left with their hand out….to the guy with all the money…that he took using guns.

            So again…there has ALWAYS been idiots like you…that fall for this snake oil….and they ALWAYS cause suffering. You are the problem….

          • Ben Van Deventer

            How did all the tax breaks for billionaires and corporations work out in the late 2000s?

          • Dwayne Mountain Dew Camacho

            Excellent….and don’t forget that everyone got a tax break. It was the Community reinvestment act caused by socialistic tendencies…that caused the housing bubble. Read a book.

          • Ben Van Deventer

            No, the economy did not do excellent. Median household incomes dropped. (It was more than just the housing bubble.) Tickle-down simply doesn’t work. The economy does best when you raise the bottom.

          • Dwayne Mountain Dew Camacho

            Wrong…The median income has been falling under Obama.

            Trickle down is what YOU want….You want the government to collect it, and then trickle it down to who ever it sees fit. Not based on value…but based on whim.

            Here is FREE market growth….actually is:

            Facebook – started in a dorm room. Now employs tons of people.
            Apple – started in a garage. Now employs. tons of people.
            Google – 2 guys in a garage. Largest company on the planet.
            Microsoft – again …in a garage.

            That is not “trickle down” dullard. THAT IS BOTTOM UP. Creating something of value from NOTHING. From just ONE simple idea.

            Your idiotic socialism IS “trickle down”.

            Congrats on learning more today…then you have in the rest of your life combined.

          • Ben Van Deventer

            Wow, way to twist my words and interpret them completely out of context.

            Trickle-down is the theory that when the wealthy have more and more wealth, it distributes downward to the lower classes in the form of jobs. Not true. The distribution continues to go in the opposite direction instead.

          • JV

            see, thats the whole point

            the government IS NOT here to regulate “EQUALITY” or “INEQUALITY”

            all men are created equal

            under your system, some are more equal than others….

            hmmmmm, where did I read that? Oh yeah, animal farm by G Orwell – you should read it sometime

          • Ben Van Deventer

            Dude, what are you on about? The government is here to regulate and allow the will of the people to be enforced.

    • Ben Van Deventer

      Nice strawman argument you have there. No one is suggesting this, merely a return to the higher taxation of booming economic times where the top tax brackets were much higher.

      • Girl who talks with her claws

        True. He is suggesting that they just give their own property to people who didn’t earn it & have no right to it. To which I say, “You first”.

      • CVN65

        You pay more, first. In fact, pay 43% of your income for a few years and then tell me how you want to pay yet more and want rates to be higher. Let yourself have a net of less than half of your gross. Put your money where your mouth is instead of my money where your mouth is.

        • Ben Van Deventer

          I hate this ridiculous argument… Why would I, alone, pay more? How is that a valid leap from the proposition? The proposition is only valid when *everyone* is legally required to pay more, so that we can rebuild our infrastructure, expand 21st century education, etc.

          • Girl who talks with her claws

            Legally required=taking away freedom.
            See also, “buy health insurance or pay a fine to the government”

          • Ben Van Deventer

            Fine, feel free to no longer use public roads, or law enforcement, or workers protection laws, etc. Pesky big government, always trying to improve public life.

          • Ethanery

            Except much of the tax money is mismanaged. For example, we have very high taxes up here in MA, yet the road conditions are horrible because the state government has chosen the least efficient way of fixing the roads (road work takes up months for a small stretch of pavement, and needs to be fixed every year or two). Also, don’t act like those are the only things tax money goes towards necessary services, there’s plenty of waste. The problem is not that we don’t have enough funds, it’s that the government is bloated and wasteful.

          • Ben Van Deventer

            This is certainly true, but we also haven’t adjusted the gas tax in decades, so after inflation and increased fuel efficiency, it’s relative tax generation vs the road abuse is inadequate.

          • Ethanery

            Cities in MA keep adjusting the gas tax (in fact, the city I’m in has passed a law that automatically increases the tax every year or two, no matter what the actual rate of inflation is. No voter input is allowed anymore when deciding on the gas tax unless the law is repealed).

            And, another example: the city I live in renovated a school. They were about a year late and 2 or 3 million dollars over budget, and ended up making the school a bit smaller. Before renovations, the school was up to code, the only problem was that it was a bit small. So, after 3 years and 6 or 7 million dollars, they ended up making the school smaller, and they’re planning on doing the same to another perfectly functional school (despite there being an abandoned school that could be renovated for far less. Instead, the city dumps the kids into the unused school building and rebuilds schools that are in use and functional). The government consistently chooses to be wasteful with tax money, hence why I’m not comfortable forking over more money.

          • RJ

            That is the biggest lie from you sanders followers.
            You are mixing up govt programs with socialism. They are not the same thing.

            Let me help you out, since you are obviously too enamoured with bernie to actually research what he stands for:

            so·cial·ism

            ˈsōSHəˌlizəm/Submit

            noun

            a political and economic theory of social organization that advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.

            synonyms: leftism, welfarism; More

            policy or practice based on the political and economic theory of socialism.

            synonyms: leftism, welfarism; More

            (in Marxist theory) a transitional social state between the overthrow of capitalism and the realization of communism.

            sanders has repeatedly advocated for the nationalization of energy companies, oil production companies and television companies without any compensation for the rightful owners (again his words) That is theft- not redistribution.

            The govt, with sanders as the controller and beneficiary, would control energy production and distribution along with the media. Then add in that he wants to remove our ability to defend ourselves by taking our guns and you have the perfect recipe for a dictator.

            No wonder socialists call their followers useful idiots

          • Ben Van Deventer

            You don’t seem to understand the definition of “democratic socialism”

          • RJ

            I understand fine. What I am not trying to do is lie to people about it.
            Two parts: democrat and socialist
            one is a political ideology. The other is economic.

            The democrat part just means that instead of using force (coup or revolution) like most of the socialists in the world, sanders is using the ballot box and conning the useful idiots to vote in their own demise.

            That doesn’t change what he espouses.

            Congrats, that is the second biggest lie of you sanders sycophants try to foist off on an unsuspecting electorate

          • Ben Van Deventer

            And not understanding what Sanders is proposing, and instead spreading misinformation is the GOP’s biggest lie.

          • RJ

            I posted what he has been proposing. Not the lies he tells on a presidential election podium.
            You forget that sanders has been on the public stage for decades and he has told us all what he wants to do when the specter of national public scrutiny was in his face. In his rare moments of honesty when not pandering for votes by flaming the smoldering resentment of people unable to care for themselves.

          • FormerFlyboy

            It’s called France, and they are finding out how much ‘democratic socialism’ sucks now, too.

          • Fingolfin

            You don’t seem to understand that the Constitution trumps “democracy”.

          • bgbear_rnh

            Most of the people here do understand and that is why they are happy to live in a Constitutional Republic.

          • Girl who talks with her claws

            They do a good job of improving their own lives. Ours, not so much. But then it’s up to us to improve our own lives.
            Get off your ass, quit bitching about how much money other people have and concentrate on bettering yourself.
            Oh, and have a look at how much money the people who are preaching wealth redistribution have stuffed in their mattresses.
            Hillary: $45 million
            Obama: $12.2 million
            Obama, M. $11.8 million
            Soros: $28.5 BILLION
            Pelosi: $100 million
            Zuckerberg: $48 BILLION
            Trudeau: $1.5 million
            E. Warren: $8 million
            De Blasio: $1.5 million

            It would be the same as Soviet Russia. The ruling class drives their Rolls Royces past the peasants waiting in line for bread. Please read about Soviet Russia. It is the utopia the rich ruling class in the US wants to take us back to.
            It really happened and it can really happen again. Don’t be sucked into it.

          • Ben Van Deventer

            You still refuse to hear my point. This is not about envy, it’s about worry. Economists all over the globe are warning that the world economy will ultimately collapse if weath continues to pile up in fewer and fewer hands. That’s not how a healthy economy works. Play a game of monopoly and see how many hours the game lasts once the money begins to only moving into the hands of one player.

          • Girl who talks with her claws

            Those economists are right up with those scientists who swear we are all going to die from whatever climate catastrophe they are selling this week. Luckily for them, you are all quite gullible and natural born followers.
            Got any citations for those claims?

          • Ben Van Deventer

            Oh, a climate change denier. I should have known.

          • Girl who talks with her claws

            Oh, a Chicken Little doomsday preacher. I should have known.
            Do you also think that fetuses are dead tissue until the doctor sprinkles fairy dust on them to turn them into babies?

            You keep preaching the end of the world and do all the worrying for us. Meanwhile, we’ll keep going to work so you can be free to do the bidding of your overlords at the DNC.

          • Dwayne Mountain Dew Camacho

            ohh…look an anti-science…anti-economics …anit-history…liberal…How new!

          • Ben Van Deventer

            Anti-science? That’s rich… Science is my passion. Don’t even get me started on cosmology and evolution. And anti-history? Please, go read about the U.S.’ economic history.

          • Fingolfin

            Economic history? You mean how our famous economic expansion was mostly unregulated until the 1930s?

          • RJ

            Ben is too busy trying to convince us all that a 150 year old failed European economic theory is the way to utopia

          • Dwayne Mountain Dew Camacho

            Of course your anti-science…that’s why you believe in the debunked theory of the church of global warming. “Science is your passion”…generally means you watch craptastic you tube videos by Bill Nye….and unless you missed the entire 20th century….Socialism has failed every single time. Whether it was the United Soviet socialist republic….or the national socialist of Germany….it also lead to world wars…and devastating poverty. You seem like a dullard…so I won’t bother to tell you to read Thomas Sowell or Milton Friedman, or Google physicists like Freeman Dyson…or Richard Lindzen. Because you will probably just go through life being an ignorant little brain washed sjw

          • Ben Van Deventer

            Wrong type of socialism, brotato.

          • Dwayne Mountain Dew Camacho

            Yeah…that’s what they said too. You’re an idiot…of epic proportions..you are literally the reason people say…”if you don’t know history you will repeat it”

          • Fingolfin

            Tell you what get back to me in 50 years and we’ll see if we are all dead by then.

          • Ben Van Deventer

            What does that have to do with anything?

          • Girl who talks with her claws

            PS: I don’t play monopoly. I’ve got better things to do. Doesn’t surprise me that a greedy wealth redistributionist would get a jolly out of playing something called monopoly.

          • Ben Van Deventer

            You’ve never played Monopoly? It’s a board game that’s been around since 1903, specifically made to illustrate the dangers of wealth inequality, you know, a few decades before the Great Depression?

          • Fingolfin

            Comparing the US economy to monopoly is so ridiculous and asinine it makes you look like a child.

          • Ben Van Deventer

            And yet we’re witnessing the same phenomenons in the world economy as in a simple board game; people at the bottom are having less and less spending power as their wages stagnate and their expenses rise. There’s a breaking point.

          • Fingolfin

            My God, trying to simplify billions of transactions a day into a little board game is the root problem with you people.

          • bgbear_rnh

            I would think “Hungy, Hungry, Hippos” would better illustrate how he imagines multibillionaires.

          • Fingolfin

            Spending power is tied directly to prices. So you want increase costs? That makes no sense.

          • bgbear_rnh

            If resources and cash were extremely finite as in a Monopoly board you may have a point.

          • Ben Van Deventer

            What do you think will happen if wages don’t climb and the middle class continues to shrink to the point where these big huge companies have fewer and fewer people who can afford their products?

          • RJ

            they go out of business. You keep pretending that those “evil” companies hoard all the money, but that is an absolute lie.
            Big companies are made up of stock holders. Those stock holders get the profits made by the company in the form of dividends.
            There is no company out there with a vault of hidden money just waiting for all the “little people” to go broke.
            Your whole premise is nothing but a vote-pandering resentment fanning lie

          • bgbear_rnh

            I don’t know. What would happen if flying saucer invaded Earth and started blasting national monuments?

          • Ben Van Deventer

            Odd way to dodge a question.

          • bgbear_rnh

            Not when the question is an extreme hypothetical.

            RJ’s , response covers most of what I would say.

          • Girl who talks with her eyes

            So it’s a propaganda tool of those who took the opportunity to get as many people dependent on the government as possible. I’m not surprised at all.

          • Girl who talks with her eyes

            I didn’t say I’ve never played monopoly.

          • RJ

            sanders said,”It is absurd that one family (the Waltons of @Walmart) has more wealth than the bottom 130 million Americans.”

            and you are trying to convince us that it is not about envy?
            Really?

          • Ben Van Deventer

            You’re making that leap yourself. For those of us who have been approaching the issue of wealth and income inequality, from a national and global stability concern, we know better.

          • RJ

            you need to go back and read all your posts here. It is impossible to stand on shifting sand.
            Your statements and suppositions have been repeatedly been proven either wrong or outright lies.

          • Ben Van Deventer

            My post have all been about economic stability, not emotion. You can imply the contrary all you like, I know it to be false, as evidenced by all of my posts.

          • Dwayne Mountain Dew Camacho

            You know how to cause massive amounts of poverty…and suffering.

            Hint: “All economic fallacies begin with the notion that wealth is like a pie”

          • Fingolfin

            If it isn’t about envy why should anyone care about how much the family makes?

          • Ben Van Deventer

            Because the distribution of income in an economic system has an intimate connection to the health of that economic system; vast inequality is not a sustainable model.

          • RJ

            That is only true if the economy exists in a monetary bubble. where the availability of money is finite and controlled. Neither of which is true in our case.
            Our economy does not exist in your imaginary snowglobe.

          • Fingolfin

            Interesting. Yet for MOST of human history, income inequality was far more than it is today. Now tell me, how many societies dissolved as a result of economc collapse and how did the standard of living improve so dramatically in the US?

          • RJ

            Some things never change.

          • Dwayne Mountain Dew Camacho

            you….might….actually….be the most ignorant person ….alive.

          • bgbear_rnh

            I think he sees rich people and their wealth as something like Scrooge McDuck with a big vault of gold coins that they can swim around in.

          • Girl who talks with her eyes

            So much competition for that title.

          • Fingolfin

            So how many hands does the government count as? A government monopoly is NOT the answer to a business monopoly. And you keep talking about inequality, yet I bet you have a computer, a fridge and a TV.

          • rosetta_stoned

            Fine, feel free to no longer use public roads, or law enforcement, or workers protection laws, etc

            OK. As long as I don’t have to pay taxes under the force of imprisonment if I don’t, that’s a deal.

          • Ben Van Deventer

            The very internet over which you are typing is government subsidized.

          • RJ

            once again…that has NOTHING to do with socialism.
            Stop trying to tie socialism with every govt program…that is an abject lie.
            Socialism is about govt control over the means of production, not the building of infrastructure or common defense.

            Are you lying to others in an attempt to sway opinion or are you that uninformed about the man you are backing?

          • Ben Van Deventer

            You’re the one lying. Bernie is not campaigning on the idea of taking over private production.

          • RJ

            His words, not mine. They are there for the whole world to read. Energy companies, oil production and television, nationalized without compensation.
            He has said those things repeatedly. sanders isn’t campaigning on the the truth because he knows that he would be booed off of any national stage.

            again…lying or uninformed?

          • journogal

            Both

          • Girl who talks with her eyes

            And makes tons of money for the evil capitalists.
            You lose no matter what you do

          • Fingolfin

            Nice fallacy. Public roads and law enforcement benefit everyone, so everyone gets a return for their taxes in these instances. Not to mention the Constitution actually enumerates the governemnts power to enforce the law and build infrastructure.

          • Girl who talks with her claws

            …line the pockets of the Democrat overlords.
            If you believe any of our money would go toward making anything in this country better, you haven’t been paying attention to the greedy bastards in the Dem party, who raise money like crazy, yet run all the slums and inner city schools into the ground.

          • Ben Van Deventer

            Because Bernie’s voting record shows anything along those lines, right? *eyeroll*

          • Girl who talks with her claws

            Because the government that’s run us trillions into debt is also running the crappy schools that turn out kids that can’t read, while our leaders send their little princesses to schools that cost more than most of us make in a year.
            *eyeroll*

          • tverle

            And by *everyone* do you also mean the nearly 50% that pay nothing, or just the evil rich?

          • CVN65

            Oh but you’re not alone, kid. There are plenty of us already paying over 40% of our incomes in taxes. I am at that 43% level but you think I should be paying yet more. Thus my invitation to you. You want taxes to be higher so you be the R first. Or are you a typical child leftist that wants taxes raised on everybody but themselves? You first. Pay at my effective rate or stop calling for tax increases.

          • Ben Van Deventer

            Again, you can’t play that “you first” BS card. It doesn’t work like that. We’re all saying “hey, we should ALL pay in more, and spend wisely, so we can get huge advances in infrastructure and education, etc. Can we all agree to chip in and do that? It won’t happen unless we all agree to pay more in taxes.”

          • CVN65

            Why Ben? I already pay more in just income taxes than most people make. You are the one extolling the virtues of everyone giving a little more. You should set the example. I don’t want to pay one dime more and really prefer to pay less. You call on all of us to make a sacrifice that you state is great and necessary but are unwilling to make yourself. I disagree with your ideas and am already giving far more than you. I see no need to ever pay more. What is your tax rate and what did you pay in Fed income taxes last year. Put your money where your mouth is or accept that you are a hypocrite that wants to take money from others but not from yourself. Edit: I “chipped in” over 200k in taxes last year. I have zero moral obligation to anyone.

          • Ben Van Deventer

            Enough with the “you first” “set the example” stuff. This is democracy. We’re changing the way the government operates based on the will of the majority.

          • genes ✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ ᵈᵉᵖˡᵒʳᵃᵇˡᵉ

            This is a REPUBLIC with a CONSTITUTION, we will keep the government out of the MOBS hands.

          • Fingolfin

            Move to a country with a “democracy” then.

          • CVN65

            Oh Ben. Completely unwilling to live the changes you want forced upon others. How incredibly hypocritical of you. And really you would not be going first you’d be joining me at my level of “chipping in”. A level that you refuse to match yet feel isn’t high enough for me. By the way we do not live in a democracy we live in a republic. The majority does not get to tyrannize a minority group. Especially to line their pockets.

          • Ben Van Deventer

            We’re talking about how we spend TAX REVENUE, not personal income. Oh, what’s the difference? Purchasing power; the bullshit “you first” excuse doesn’t really apply when we’re talking about building schools, bridges and roads.

          • CVN65

            Sounds as though you’ve got a burr under your saddle, Ben. That tax revenue starts out as personal income. Some of it is my personal income at least before over 40% is forcibly taken. The disposal of my income shouldn’t be up for a vote among those that didn’t lift one finger to earn it. Of course you can’t see the problem in letting the non taxed majority vote to take ever more from the productive. You pay what I pay or close your pie hole.

          • Ben Van Deventer

            You’re intentionally ignoring my point; the “you first!” gripe does not apply to taxes. Taxes are a collective concept. When people advocate for higher taxes, telling them “you first!” is so utterly stupid; that’s not what makes taxation viable or effective. That’s like someone saying “we should all show up early to save enough seats for the show tonight”.. “You first!” Totally nonsensical for ONE person to show up early to try to save seats for 10 people.

          • Ben Van Deventer

            “You first” is seriously the dumbest response I’ve seen in this thread. If taxes were optional, you would all be sitting around saying “you first!” to pay for your schools, bridges, roads, water, etc.

        • Penny✓ItsSoFluffy! #GoBolts!

          Oh, bless his little heart, we have a newbie Bernie troll! This should be fun to watch. 🙂 Have fun with him and watch him spin his pro-socialism BS. I see he won’t answer WHY he should pay more (let alone anything to begin with). He probably feels entitled to keep all that he’s got. Taxation is for YOU AND ME. but not for our special snowflake. Isn’t he precious? LOL!!!

          • FormerFlyboy

            He’ll go at it until he becomes the one getting (forced) to share (give) all his money to people much less motivated and caring than he.

          • Penny✓ItsSoFluffy! #GoBolts!

            Then it’ll be “But… but…. I worked for this! They didn’t earn it!! Why do I have to pay??” and the lesson will be completely lost on the mental midget.

      • rosetta_stoned

        No one is suggesting this, merely a return to the higher taxation of
        booming economic times where the top tax brackets were much higher.

        Yeah. Because the 1970s were awesome, dude.

        Fool.

      • Dwayne Mountain Dew Camacho

        So…never.

      • Dwayne Mountain Dew Camacho

        By the way:

        telling people how much they have to pay, how much and what kind of health care they need…and how much money they are allowed to be…and how much they must reinvest…IS RUNNING THEIR COMPANY.

    • The Marathon Man

      Yep…people in government who rake in those SWEET lifetime benefits for the sake of our tax dollars! Let’s par-tay!!!!!

  • Jeff Henderson ✓Bona Fide

    Bernie – convince the 130 million not to shop there and make sure they only shop at stores that are owned by people that make less money than they do.

    • Ben Van Deventer

      Having millions of people who are only able to afford to shop at walmart is part of the problem.

      • Girl who talks with her claws

        Having Walmart to shop at is very handy for those of us who can’t afford to shop at higher end stores. The free market works.
        You don’t understand economics, and neither do the current crop of Leftists & socialists. We have no hope of getting you to understand that redistributing money that doesn’t belong to you won’t make things any better, so we’d best just do what we have to in order to keep you from gaining power & running the country into the ground.

      • Jeff Henderson ✓Bona Fide

        It’s not that. You can’t find those mini-cinnamon rolls anywhere else.

      • Fingolfin

        How is that a problem? I figure that there will always be ay least two million people in that situation due to the nature of humanity.

  • Doc Farmer✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ ᵈᵉᵖˡᵒʳᵃᵇˡᵉ

    Just a hunch, but I bet his parents came up with the whole “time out” and “no spanking” and “positive reinforcement” concepts for child-rearing. Because despite his wizened looks, he’s still about three years old…

  • grais

    America – the land of opportunity to…whine for someone else’s stuff?
    I don’t know what Bernie’s ancestors came here for, but “That’s Not What We’re About!”

  • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lS8RjCRolSM Sanchez Crazy as a Loon

    Vote for Sanders and vote for your own future to be be bleak.

  • constitutionminded

    Gee, he only makes $174.000 a year, of course he is jealous.

    • http://twitter.com/thetugboatphil TugboatPhil

      If we’re limiting salaries, how about people in Congress work for free?

      • constitutionminded

        Better yet, pay for the privilege to be there.

      • Orwellian_Dilemma

        Bear in mind, he’s not even complaining about salaries–he’s complaining that their shares in the company built by their family are worth too much.

      • Arlo

        Now you’re onto something. For starters, Hillary should give all HER ill-gotten gains ($250k per speech???) to the parasites that support her.

    • Doc Farmer✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ ᵈᵉᵖˡᵒʳᵃᵇˡᵉ

      Plus perks, plus graft (sorry, that’s perks, right?), plus speaking fees, plus the Tuesday 5% Senior Discount at Piggly Wiggly…

  • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lS8RjCRolSM Sanchez Crazy as a Loon

    I thanks the Waltons for their hard work and low prices.

    Every family who is pay check to pay check has a few more dollars in their pockets after shopping WalMart then they do after shopping any other stores.

    • Karla1953

      And yet people whine when they are told that a WalMart is coming and then whine when they are told they are closing………………….one could not make this chit up…………..Oy

  • CrazyDaze✓veridicous

    So we give the $1200 to the 130 million and they will spend it where?

    • G3

      Neiman’s

    • Doc Farmer✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ ᵈᵉᵖˡᵒʳᵃᵇˡᵉ

      Dollar General, Family Dollar, Sav-a-Lot…

    • TCDave

      Lottery tix.

    • Jeff Henderson ✓Bona Fide

      Wal-Mart – new flat screen and $3 DVDs.

  • G3

    But, Bill Gates is rich, Tom Steyer, George Clooney, Warren Buffet, Yes…the Kochs, and Soros, hell, even the Clintons are rich…so why the outrage against the Waltons, Bern? If you’re going to be a “democratic socialist” at least be democratic about it, you old coot.

    • NannoH

      Out of the 10 wealthiest people in the US, 7 of them are liberal Democrats and probably all donate to Bernie; The present-day Walton heirs are liberal Democrats, Sanders is one huge fraud!!

  • NannoH

    Why doesn’t he call out the liberal environmental hypocrite Tom Steyer for his “absurdity”? Steyer is worth billions, all made on hedge-funds which were fronts for coal-stripping, fracking, drilling and other so-called “raping of the environment.” He’s donating millions to the the fraudulent Sanders.

    • Arlo

      But, fraud is okay when you’re a leftist (If you like your plan, you and keep your plan, and all that).

  • MarciaTheMurkyMuse🌠 Variegated

    Don’t interrupt Bernie while he’s still busy doling out the $4 million EACH that we’re going to get from the record Power Ball.

    • bobbyt1964

      Heh…Liberal math…

  • Lyle Petersen

    Do you have a savings account? Retirement fund? IRA? 401k? Not for long. Bernie will be redistributing everything you don’t “need”. Hey, you don’t NEED retirement funds, you have Social Security! You don’t NEED to pass wealth you’ve earned to your children, they’ll have FREE education (state indoctrination), FREE (third-world) healthcare, food stamps, and welfare!

    All hail the Socialist States of Amerika, comrades!

    • vetgal1970

      My defined benefits plan was redefined to accommodate Obamacare. Wiped out my family’s health insurance and made my retirement account worthless.

  • lCOYAR

    I am going to start a website. I will claim to be a billionaire born in the wrong class, and have a “donate funds” option, to let people donate as much money as they want to me.

    When idiotic and sympathetic Leftists start treating me as a “hero”, like Bruce Jenner, that 56 year old man who thinks he is a little girl, and that stupid “cat girl”, they will all donate to me and I’mma be rich.

    Of course, I will be using that money for a highly noble cause. The cause is, to insult that senile old man and mocking him as to how I exploited “socialism” when he couldn’t even do that.

  • Wes Dorman

    As opposed to George Soros, who has created a fraction of the jobs of Wal Mart (if net of any). Why no criticism of him or Buffet?

    • IBXNJ

      Especially when Soros collaborated with the Nazis during the Holocaust!

      • Arlo

        The Koch brothers are lily white compared to Soros.

  • Jake Wilde

    I understand people’s shock at seeing Bernie maybe actually beating Clinton, but they must disregard that many of our kids are socialists by the design of a corrupt school system that was meant to do exactly what it has resulted in.

  • https://twitter.com/_donaldson Right Wired ✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

    If anyone had any illusions about Bernie being a raging bat$hit crazy socialist…
    well, they’re gone now.

  • Jeff Henderson ✓Bona Fide

    “It should be against the law for people to sell things for more than they paid for them.” — Sanderism

  • Ty in TX ✓ᵇᵒⁿᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

    And we’re supposed to believe that Bernie is crying every time he looks at his bank account right?

    • journogal

      Crying from laughter.

      • Jake Wilde

        Yeah, he knows socialism gives corrupt men more power.

    • NRPax

      Socialism is for the people, not the Socialist-Andrew Wilkow.

    • Arkuy The Great

      Members of the Inner Party are properly remunerated for their selfless toil on behalf of the proletariat. “Not much of this gets to the Outer Party.”

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LqkPNLb-90c

  • journogal

    What about Buffet’s wealth? Zuckerberg? Elites in Hollywood? Why Waltons? I wish some progressives who troll this site would explain the pure hatred toward Wal-Mart, or really the pure hatred toward wealthy non-progressives.

    Let’s get a few things straight:
    1. Do people even know the story of Sam Walton? In normal times, it would be considered the American Dream.
    2. Why does anyone think they have a “right” to other people’s wealth? Too lazy to create your own? I wish people would explain how the Walton’s took their money from them.
    3. No one is forced to work at Wal Mart. Don’t like it, don’t apply. Work there and don’t like, then save up, take night classes (yes, that may mean a smaller cell phone and plan, and budgeting, but many have done it and survived) to learn more marketable skills.
    4. Wal Mart tends to promote within.
    5. Wal Mart is tends to be very involved in the community with both in-kind and monetary donations.
    6. Very few jobs (if any) offer an 6-digit entry level salary.
    7. Government can’t level the playing field. Government can’t redistribute drive. Either you have it or you don’t.
    8. Life is unfair. There is always going to be someone with more “-er” than you. Get over it and do your best.
    9. Why should any one start any type of business in this climate? What is the point anymore?

    • unknown

      “pure hatred towards wealthy non-progressives”

      There’s your answer. Since these wealthy people are not with the progressives, therefore they are are against them.

    • R.C.

      And..No idea what the min wage is here in Ohio, but I have 2 friends making close to 15 and hour working for the evil Waltons! It aint a bad wage for no education beyond HS.

    • Arkuy The Great

      I brought it up yesterday that quite a few private, successful business seem to be throwing in the towel near me. A prominent, local, family-owned chain of C-stores just sold to a national conglomerate. I am pretty sure the added compliance red-tape of the Hope-n-Change administration was a major factor influencing their decision to cash-out.

      https://www.bostonglobe.com/business/2015/05/18/tedeschi-food-chain-sold-eleven/oUZoZusupv3cNcB010kU8N/story.html

    • Quality

      I think the obvious difference between Buffett/Zuckerberg and the Waltons would be that the latter inherited their wealth.

      • Girl who talks with her claws

        You sure they didn’t EARN it?
        What business is it of yours who has how much money & how they got it?
        How did Obama get his $14 million net worth?
        Why don’t you care about him being a greedy bastard?

        • Quality

          They inherited it.

          • Girl who talks with her claws

            So what?
            What if you inherit money?
            Do I get a slice?
            Why do you get to decide who gets to keep their money?

          • Quality

            So, stop pretending as if all criticism of the ultra-rich in America is based on hatred of hard work and entrepreneurship.

          • Girl who talks with her claws

            But it sure seems to be. You only go after the heads of industry, who work and sacrifice for it.
            The idiots who stumbled into it (Kanye, Bouncie, Jayz, Cloony, all the rappers who wave cash, guns & diamond encrusted grilles), you’re fine with them.
            Envy and greed will eat you alive. Be happy with what you have or do something to better yourself. Just remember that those whose bidding you are doing by preaching this gospel are themselves, ultra-rich.

          • Quality

            It doesn’t seem to be at all except in your little persecution fantasy world.

          • Girl who talks with her claws

            Back atcha.
            Shouldn’t you be putting on sackcloth & ashes and carrying signs that say, “THE END IS NEAR”?
            Work hard to keep your DNC overlords in diamonds, mink & caviar. I know they’ll reward you richly.
            *snort

          • Quality

            I’m not a Democrat. None of my posts in this thread have been political in nature.

            “These people earned their wealth, while these others inherited their wealth.”
            “OMG DEMOCRATS STEAL EVERYONE MONEY HATIN THE RICH SO MUCH ENVY CELEBRITY WORSHIPPERS AND RAPPERS WITH BLING BLING KENNEDY FAMILY SCUMBAGS WEALTH REDISTRIBUTION IM AN ECONOMICS EXPERT!!!!”

            But I’m the crazy one.

      • journogal

        So Sam Walton didn’t start anything and his heirs didn’t take over the reigns to make it grow?

        Do you even understand how businesses work? Do you know anything about Waltons, or just rely on your betters to tell you how to think. You know what they’ve done with the money. Check out Bentonville. But you won’t, because you rather think they way you do.

        Just come out and say, it is okay for progressives to have money and no one else.

        • Quality

          Sam Walton did a great deal of work to create the Walmart behemoth. Most of his kids did not.

          • Girl who talks with her claws

            Why do YOU get to decide who gets to keep what they earn?
            The empty-headed stars you on the Left worship, did very little to earn their money, and have next to NO overhead other than their partying & fashion needs, yet you’re not demonizing them. You’re going after people who employ us little people, enabling us to live.
            How kind of you.
            If you want to go after greed and idle riches, go after Hollywood.

          • Quality

            I never said anything about deciding who gets to keep what they earn. You’re going off on rabid rants related to ideas that aren’t even in my posts. You should have gotten your rabies vaccine.

          • Girl who talks with her claws

            You have no idea what you’re talking about, and do not understand what I’m saying. Could be because I have extensive education in economics (pre-Obama) and actually grasp how a free market is supposed to work.
            You have brought a limp noodle to a proverbial gun fight.
            Go home.

          • Quality

            I have no idea what I’m talking about with regards to what? All I’ve made is simple statements about some people who have or have not inherited their wealth.

            You’re either confusing this conversation with another one, or simply continuing your unhinged rant.

          • Kenton Clarkson

            So what?
            What have the Kennedy brats done for the world lately?
            When is the last time 1 of them served in the military?
            Or went to a public school?
            Or had an after school job?
            Direct some of your envy towards them too

          • Quality

            So that distinguishes them from people who worked to earn their wealth. That was my only point, and yet multiple people have lost their minds and started ranting about unrelated nonsense, including you with the Kennedy family now.

          • Kenton Clarkson

            LOL
            Sorry, but no.
            Your point was that the Wal-mart heirs are unworthy of the money they have because they did not earn it. When the FACT that many MANY heroes of the L are in the same position of having wealth and power based on who their daddy/grandpa was, you are silent. Chelsea Klinton lives in a $10 million town house. How did she earn the $? Criticize her Q-boi and at least you will be consistent. Instead you employ the tiresome double standard that is the hallmark of the modern L: It’s OK when WE do it.

          • Quality

            Chelsea Clinton wasn’t mentioned in the post that I replied to. Zuckerberg and Buffett were, so those were the people I discussed.

            I never made any left/right, liberal/conservative comments. That’s been all you guys. But hey, if you have to assign political positions to people in order to knock down strawmen, have at it.

            By the way, kudos on outing yourself as an anti-gay bigot, meathead.

          • Kenton Clarkson

            LOL
            “Boi” is anti-gay now? Ty for the tip
            Have fun in your pink “safe space” BOI

          • Quality

            The term you used was “q-boi”, not just “boi”. Did you forget what you wrote in your own post or is this just a really pathetic attempt to whitewash it?

          • Kenton Clarkson

            LMAO
            Q for “Quality”
            Forget your screen name bitch?

          • Quality

            lol, sure, you just ACCIDENTALLY used an anti-gay because my username starts with a Q.

          • Kenton Clarkson

            So what?
            lol
            I don’t give a sheet about you or your gayboi feewings
            Go suck bruce jenners pee-pee

          • Quality

            So, you’re a bigot. And a meathead.

            My feelings are unaffected.

          • journogal

            Thanks for showing everyone how ignorant you are. Like I predicted, you have no idea what the family has done for Bentonville and how they’ve grown WalMart.

          • Quality

            Care to educate me on what each Walton child (plus spouses like Christy Walton) did to grow Walmart and earn their billions in personal wealth?

          • journogal

            How about this – show some initiative and research it yourself. Talk about being lazy. I’m not here to educated. Telling that you lack any intellectual curiosity to find any information on your own.

          • Quality

            You’re making claims and then refusing to back them up. That’s laziness on your part, not mine.

          • 50papa70

            The last name of Walton is good enough for me it sure as hell ain’t your money my money or the bloated f’n govt’s money.

  • Jeff Henderson ✓Bona Fide

    Reminds me of an activity book we bought for our children. One page had some pictures and the instructions were to cut the pictures out from this side of the page and paste them in the boxes on the back of the page.

  • FreedomFighter

    I thought the question about who should own Walmart very interesting. Indeed, who should own Walmart Bernie? Since your party can’t distinguish the difference between socialism and the Democrat party, maybe your party can identify communism.

    • IBXNJ

      Since Wal Mart is a publicly traded company, millions of people other than the Waltons already do! This also includes many of Wal Mart’s associates.

  • Barry A. Brewer

    Need I point out that Lin Olin is a moron?

  • unknown

    Two things: 1) How much has Bernie made off taxpayers since being a “career” Senator? 2) Why doesn’t he go after Twitter for how much wealth they made?

  • dumbolcountryboy

    And his base won’t contribute squat to reducing the debt

  • Karla1953
    • vetgal1970

      LOL May I put this in my file?

      • Karla1953

        Oh please do they are all there to be appropriated and passed on.

        • vetgal1970

          Thank You so much

  • http://www.nleomf.org/officers/heroes-behind-the-badge/heroes-behind-badge-sacrifice-survival.html Meatzilla ✓ᴵᴿᴿᴱᴰᴱᴱᴹᴬᴾᴸᴼᴿᴬᴮᴸᴱ

     
    Float like uh buttahfly – Sting like uh bee! That’s me, baby!

    https://45.media.tumblr.com/b0f0d0564c8355af17dc13d475cb3231/tumblr_o1op831Ow41qc52lxo1_500.gif

  • Mary Mommy Happy 2017!
  • Acuda4me ✓Please!

    I think it’s absurd that a pol who advocates “public campaign financing” also puts his relatives on his campaign payroll.

  • Name

    And what happens, Mr “communism will work THIS time” Sanders if we DO redistribute the Waltons and everybody else’s wealth? Do you think ANYONE will have any sort of ambition or desire to exceed and innovate? Communism has been proven time and again to stifle exceptionality, innovation and drive and to encourage mediocrity and slothfulness. What happens when they come for YOUR money???

  • NRPax

    Get back to me when Bernie or any of his ignorant masses have an actual, honest to God number about how much money I’m “allowed” to have before I am “greedy” and be able to back it up.

    Until then, fuck off.

  • Girl who talks with her claws
  • Flax Seed
    • Suzyqpie

      The woman asking the questions of Milton Friedman heard nothing that Milton Friedman said. Her thinking was not swayed one iota. She became angry and would have accused Milton Friedman of being a tool of the Koch Bro (or their ’70s counterpart) and being a cold hearted
      “Con” who wants hungry children to starve. She would have launched into a diatribe about fairness, the underserved, disenfranchised, marginalized, the poor and oppressed.

      • Arkuy The Great

        Koch Bro (or their ’70s counterpart)

        She did mention “Big Oil” almost like a Pavlovian response. I am guessing this was 1975-1980 or thereabouts so the oil shocks were definitely on everyone’s minds. That was the environment that produced such genius policies as the windfall profits tax, the export ban and CAFE requirements; the latter having been a proximate cause of the “SUV crisis” of the ’90s.

        • Suzyqpie

          thehill dot com where the Pavlovians gather every single day. I can read a hill article and immediately predict 90% of the comments. If anyone is studing the perils of groupthink, aka, hive mentality, thehill comment section is your laboratory.

    • Arkuy The Great

      This lady was an obvious fan of Huey Long; “They can’t eat it, they can’t wear the clothes, they can’t live in the houses!”

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hphgHi6FD8k

      Some bad idea just will never go away!

  • Magnifico

    It’s absurd that my taxes pay for Bernie’s salary

    • vetgal1970

      Yet Bernie doesn’t see that at all

  • Arkuy The Great

    When was the last time anyone saw a Ben Franklin store? Sam Walton got his start as a franchisee way-back-when. Why does Sam and his family get rich while the company that gave him his start languish in obscurity? Fairness!

    • Mark is sooooo deplorable

      The fairness of allowing the better, smarter, harder worker, to have more success. The only true fairness.

  • algonquinmatt

    Bernie Sanders reminds me of one of the gov’t characters from Atlas Shrugged.

    • Hashtag pundit

      “We’ll call it the ‘Anti Dog Eat Dog Rule'”.

  • Mark is sooooo deplorable

    The arrogant greed of Liberals is astounding.

    • Suzyqpie

      Milton Friedman defines greed….
      https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RWsx1X8PV_A

      • Mark is sooooo deplorable

        Yes, the true greed is believing you have the right to steal from others. Those people get arrested in civil societies.

  • JosephBloughs ✓Viagrafied

    Bernie doesn’t deserve to win, but he definitely deserves his party’s nomination.

  • Flax Seed

    Feel the Bern

  • Stephen

    Like my dad always tells me, you can’t miss something you never had. I don’t shop at Walmart and I could give ZERO shits about the Walton’s money.

  • topperj

    You didn’t build that, 2.0.

  • Russ

    I have never in my life seen somebody so obsessed with money that he has to talk about it all the time, to the exclusion of almost everything else.

  • © Sponge

    Bernie got a useless degree from the University of Chicago and couldn’t get a job. He had no skills or intelligence that anyone could use. He’s pissed off at the world because he couldn’t get a job, so he went into politics. He preaches socialism because HE couldn’t make something of himself on his own, so he latched onto the government teat and thinks NO ONE can succeed without it.

    He. Must. Lose.

  • Suzyqpie

    “It may be that a redistribution of income and wealth from the rich owners of breakthrough technologies to the rest of us becomes the only way of making the future economy work,” quote Robert Reich. Reich has shuffled between government and academia his whole life. He has written 6/8 best sellers. Notice there is no mention of the wealth possessed by, uh, Robert Reich, that presumably remains with Robert Reich, while he advices the plunder of the wealth of others. The pluperfect Progressive.

    • UsedtobeaDemocrat

      According to CelebrityNetWorth.com, Reich is worth about 4 million.

  • @ChunkyTWshngtn

    And the idiots will eat this up.

    • Russ

      The ones who think they deserve what other people worked hard to obtain, anyway. That’s not to say that all people struggling to pay the household bills think someone else should foot them for them, but enough do to vote for the candidate who promises more “free stuff” than the other candidates.

  • Gunnhild4
    • @ChunkyTWshngtn

      Caption:

      President Sanders, are there any more rich people left to buy toilet paper for us?

  • Mark is sooooo deplorable

    Venezuela:

    Lots of Oil.
    Little toilet paper.

    Only socialism can do that.

  • tops116 ✓Quipper

    “…so I tied an onion to my belt, which was the style at the time. We didn’t have whine onions because of the war. Now, to take the ferry cost a nickle, and in those days, nickles had pictures of bumblebees on ’em. ‘Give me five bees for a quarter,’ you’d say. Now where was I? Oh, yes, I needed a new heel for my shoe, so I tied an onion to my belt, which was the style at the time.”
    –Bernie Sanders

    • Kenton Clarkson

      My favorite Abe line:
      Joe Friday: “Are you trying to delay us? Or just a crazy old man?”
      Abe: “A little from column A and a little from column B”

  • Chris Debaillon

    He should check out well the Chavez family is doing in Venezuela.

  • vetgal1970

    It’s weird how the Dems never point out the absurdity of the salaries and perks our ‘representatives’ and unelected department heads enjoy. And not a peep about the union leadership either…..

  • Arlo

    Bernie Sanders – diligently spreading the sins of envy and covetousness throughout America! BTW, the ‘free stuff’ is available because Bernie has the government steal it from people who earned it. So, the gravy train will come to an end.

  • Flax Seed

    Sneak Peak of what Life with Bernie would be like:

    https://youtu.be/QxFely1nOlU

  • yourmaster

    bernie will lose to hillary and then hillary will be crushed by Trump. mwahahahaha

    • Hashtag pundit

      Half right.

  • David

    If Sanders gave a nickel to the treasury for every absurd comment he makes, the national debt would be retired in less than a week.

    • RJ

      it would have to be YOUR nickle

  • HSD2015

    Went to the Grand Opening of the first Wal-Mart in Rogers many years ago. Was just a kid and it was the most exciting thing to happen in town. Sam Walton had a great idea, just like any innovative entrepreneur. I don’t hate the wealthy, I don’t want their money, and I don’t begrudge one cent they have. I would like to be rich too. Will I do something criminal to make that happen? NO. I don’t suppose I’ll ever have enough money to not worry about paying bills and making ends meet. But vilifying someone who does have money isn’t right. Wal-Mart gives back to the community time and again. Just recently they donated bottled water to the people in Flint. That doesn’t seem very greedy to me.

  • wrestlefan01

    ponder this a guy who spouts this has a real legit shot at winning the dem nom..this nation has gone mad..gone are the days of regan and mod democrats…the left has went far to extreme these days.and the right has went more moderate for some reason

    • freeinaz

      The biggest threat to this country is the progressive agenda.

      • wrestlefan01

        yup

  • http://www.unshackledaction.com/ Topcat69 the Deplorable

    Well, those filthy rich Waltons got their money from an enterprise that gave three of my kids their first jobs (two of which are still at Walmart, working their way up the ranks).
    My wife and I had to go to King Soopers to pick up a prescription yesterday. Lovely store with lots of stuff and always crowded. But we prefer to save by going to Walmart (and Sams) instead. Since we are feeding 6 people, we figure we are saving around $1,000 a year. All because of the ‘greed’ of a man who got a good idea and worked his butt off to turn it into a huge success. More power (and money) to others who can do the same.

  • rambler

    Lookie, Bernie……. poor people don’t pay enough in taxes to run a bloated gov. You should be thankful for anyone who isn’t on the gov dole like you because they can produce something which can be taxed.

  • docflash9

    How many jobs does Walmart create for the companies that sell stuff to them that they buy from companies that build the stuff that they buy from companies that sell the stuff to build the stuff that companies that mine,drill for,or create in a lab that sell to the companies that build the stuff? Now we can add Walmart employees to the number.

  • sizemorew

    That tweet is really telling in this is what is coming across from my perspective:

    “I don’t care that they created a successful company which provides jobs for thousands if not millions of workers. Because they have more money than me, I want their company shut down. Who cares if all those workers would be laid off?”

    • Hashtag pundit

      To the guillotine with these bourgeoisie, amirite?!?

  • Deplorable AMERICAN™✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

  • Tracy Walls

    Well Mr. Sanders – if you are so worried about the poor people – why don’t you give all your money to the lower half instead of worrying about Walmart’s money! And Ben – you are totally wrong – you can’t give all the money to the lower half – they just spend and don’t invest or save!! We have to have someone willing to create a company and create jobs! I would like to know where all your utopian money is coming from – the trees??

    • Ben Van Deventer

      SPENDING creates jobs…

      • Fingolfin

        Define spending. Investment spending creates jobs not consumption.

        • Ben Van Deventer

          Businesses tend to have customers who buy their products….

        • tbmbuzz

          Not by the government. Government taxes and redistributes, it does NOT invest. The one and only efficient method of allocating resources is the free market.

      • Stephen L. Hall

        Keynesian foolishness. Spending creates debts.

      • Dan13

        Private sector spending creates jobs. Public sector spending is taking money from the private sector through taxation, subtracting the cost of taking money from the private sector, further subtracting the attendent corruption that goes hand in hand with taking money from the private sector, and then returning what is left to the private sector.
        It is as inefficient as can be.

    • bgbear_rnh

      Money does come from trees, ask Boise Cascade. Seriously, BVD also seems to miss that wealth needs to be created (as done when you engage in forestry), and it is created by hard working talented people who do get big rewards but, we all benefit.

  • Ben Van Deventer
    • journogal

      Again, compare the size of Norway to California or Texas. Same with Sweden. Since you think this country is unfair and you can’t make a fortunate on your own unless the government takes it from others, then move. It’s that simple. If you want to be part of a collective, then do so.

      • Ben Van Deventer

        I don’t want to make a fortune. Stop assuming that. I want the middle class to grow, plain and simple.

        • journogal

          Middle class doesn’t grow with socialism. Middle class is destroyed by it. The elites grow with socialism.
          Stop assuming that one size fits all, because it doesn’t when you are dealing with a diverse country in population and size like ours.

          Government doesn’t level the playing field, they bring everyone down.

          I know plenty of people who’ve come from nothing and made something of themselves. It’s possible, but it takes work, drive and dedication. It doesn’t come from a centralized government.

  • https://disqus.com/home/channel/ncaafchattertalkaboutcollegefootball/ David ✓’ed out

    So, does this mean that Bernie is totally opposed to billionaires then? You know, like his buddy George Soros? I guess it’s not a fair comparison though, since Soros only has more money than the bottom 129 million Americans, not 130.

  • Gary

    Not a better example of plain old socialism speaking out loud. I bet Bernie gets off stage lots of nights and has no clue what he has just let fly out of his mouth …

  • Jeff Henderson ✓Bona Fide

    I have a perfect solution – let’s limit the number of people that can shop at Walmart each day – that way they won’t make so much money!

  • Jerry Shelton

    Not sure which I despise more Bernie or WALMART.

  • ledzepp8

    I’m so tired of this argument… Like money and wealth is some finite thing. Wealth is created… You want as much wealth as the Waltons, then create it. Liberal logic is that wealth is a pizza and the top 1% took 7 slices

  • miscast

    The first question that comes to mind when someone makes a comment like Bernie did. If that money was your’s, and you worked to make it would you gleefully give 95% of it away? Well Bernie wouldn’t either. Nor would most of those limo liberals in Hollyweird..

  • genes ✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ ᵈᵉᵖˡᵒʳᵃᵇˡᵉ

    “@luisbaram @BernieSanders @Walmart no one wants their money, we want them gone. belly up, out of business.”
    I’m sorry they cut out your 1,000% profit on poorly made products.

  • JV

    democrats are the same as they were in 1916

    Bolshevik wanna bes

  • ThomasCollins1

    All welfare is corporate welfare bernie. That money you take from me and send to your blessed poor to buy their votes with my money ends up in the cash registers of wal mart. The biggest lie of the left is that the welfare state was designed and intended to help the poor.

    One could not but help notice that he skipped over all those rich liberals to get to the Waltons, namely Gates, Buffet, Bezos, Zuckerberg, Rockefeller, Soros, and on and on.