In the good old days of the 24-hour news cycle, it used to take an hour for tragedies to become politicized. That is apparently not the case in the Twitter age. The gun control crowd didn’t waste a second before insulting the victims of the Oregon mall shooting. We don’t even know the identities of the dead, but already they’re being used as pawns in the morbid games of the anti-gun left.

We would much prefer to respectfully report the details surrounding this atrocity, but no, we’re talking about gun control already. So, to all of you out there pontificating, we beg you to stop this necrophilic theatre of the macabre and let people mourn in peace.

https://twitter.com/Lesliethinks/status/278656627085807616

https://twitter.com/SArchibald1/status/278662310376116224

https://twitter.com/JDeisen/status/278661011144339457

https://twitter.com/hmgflyer/status/278665253833801729

Let’s be clear here: if you hear about people dying and your first thought is anything political, you need help. It’s sick, twisted, heartless and morally repulsive. It’s never going to be OK to talk like this so soon after a shooting — because maybe, just maybe, raw grief should outweigh political point-scoring for a few hours.

  • EOD

    One of my all time favorite exchanges from Archie Bunker…

    Gloria: Daddy, did you know that sixty percent of the people murdered in this country in the last ten years were killed by guns?

    Archie Bunker: Would it make you feel any better, little girl, if they was pushed out of windows?

    • $21367552

      Yeah, and clearly mass “pushing people out of windows” are such a regular occurrence. BTW Archie Bunker was not meant to be a role model any more than 1984 was a how-to manual.

      • EOD

        More people die in Automobiles each year than die from Gunshots in the USA.

        Is Drving a Car still legal?
        How many Cars is each Citizen allowed to own?
        How fast is the Car allowed to go from the Factory?
        Can the Car be Legally Modified to go even faster?

        • 1captainhooker1

          Ever ride to work in your gun?

          • bullsballs

            no, but my gun always rides with me…

        • willi0000000

          EOD, nice straw man you got there. how many cars per year are used to intentionally kill someone? [please cite source]

          most deaths by automobile are ACCIDENTAL deaths.

          although i might agree with your argument for automobile control if you would agree that driving drunk and killing someone should be considered first-degree murder. as you know, automobiles can kill, the safe operation of an automobile (or a gun, for that matter) requires the operator to be sober, and the fact that, while you are sober you know these facts, makes it a premeditated action.

          • EOD

            You have no clue what you are Posting about

          • mike_in_kosovo

            There are roughly 270 MILLION firearms in the USA. In 2009, there were 9146 firearm murders. That works out to a whopping 0.0034% of all firearms used in a murder in 2009, if you make the gross assumption that a separate firearm was used in each murder.

      • EOD

        More people die in Automobiles each year than die from Gunshots in the USA.

        Is Drving a Car still legal?
        How many Cars is each Citizen allowed to own?
        How fast is the Car allowed to go from the Factory?
        Can the Car be Legally Modified to go even faster?

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Brian-Pimentel/1515900473 Brian Pimentel

        Germany is a gun-unfriendly country, they have more school shootings there, and it take a year to get a gun license. Tell me again how laws will stop the lawless from, you know, doing anything?

    • $21367552

      Yeah, and clearly mass “pushing people out of windows” are such a regular occurrence. BTW Archie Bunker was not meant to be a role model any more than 1984 was a how-to manual.

  • http://odinslounge.wordpress.com/ Moose

    I’ll bet $10 bucks the shooter is not a regular gun owner. Same story every time.

    • http://twitter.com/thetugboatphil TugboatPhil

      I still haven’t heard a name yet. Wondering if it’s Mooooslem.

      • Liquid Language

        Yeah, b/c Christians, Jews, Hindus, NEVER murder, anyone, right, tuggy?

        • http://twitter.com/thetugboatphil TugboatPhil

          Of course they do. But when it’s a white, christian, Republican or Conservative affiliated person we usually know their entire life story within an hour or two.

    • Thought Criminal #1

      A real civilian shooter with an AR-15 in a crowded mall would have taken out a lot more than 2 people. This guy was a nutjob that only hit two people because he was lucky to hit them.

      • http://odinslounge.wordpress.com/ Moose

        Exactly. Not that it doesn’t suck to be those two people but it’s more of bad luck than anything.

        What difference would a high cap magazine make if you still can’t hit anything.

        • 1captainhooker1

          It would increase the probability of eventually hitting something. Duh.

          • mike_in_kosovo

            No, it really doesn’t…but I don’t expect facts to sway the Brady bunch acolytes.

  • Gallatin

    With this recent gun violence that has happen in Oregon, is it OK now Fox News to talk bout gun control or still no?

    Sure we can talk about gun control, we can talk about how my right index finger controls the trigger of my gun.

    • b_truit

      Hooah

    • http://www.facebook.com/tom.bannigan.3 Tom Bannigan

      I love how people are claiming they saw this person walking in. He shouldered one person, and no one drew their conceal carry and shot him for some reason.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Brian-Pimentel/1515900473 Brian Pimentel

        The problem here is that when people do shoot bad guys with their lawfully owned firearms it never makes it to the major media outlets. And if it does it’s titled “gun violence” and not home invader shot.

        • Timothy Holt

          I live in the D/FW area of North Texas. We have actually have had quite a few news reports lately about people defending their home and shooting intruders. Maybe it’s just cause this is Texas and we actually understand that guns are not a bad thing but the person trying to break into you home, rob, and murder you in your sleep is.

          • Liquid Language

            As a Texan, do you also understand that whites are now outnumbered by Hispanics? Not related to topic, I just love pointing that out to Texans.

          • Timothy Holt

            As a jack-ass do you realize you’re a waste of space? Not related to topic, I just love pointing that out to Jack-asses.

          • Timothy Holt

            Also, WTF does someone being Hispanic have to do with anything… ever? You, sir, are a racist.

          • Liquid Language

            bwaaahahahahha, a racist?! I love how the internet makes people into tough guys. Shall I respond in kind? Naw, it’s just fun to poke at you at this pont. And, for someone who thinks so little of me, I sure got a rise out of you. By all means, show me how little you think about me by replying some more, genius.

          • Timothy Holt

            The only rise you got out of me is the one in my pants. My penis thrives on the attention from others. Please keep it up. Your wife is going to appreciate the added length tonight.

          • Liquid Language

            So, you’re gay then? Nice. Well, here’s hoping you can get married to your boyfriend soon, Sweet Cheeks.

          • Liquid Language

            There are several area in Cedar Springs you would be happy, by the way.

        • Brent

          How many instances can you point to in which an armed civilian shot and killed a shooter/terrorist? If you can give me even ONE I’d be surprised.

          • Timothy Holt

            Google Home invasion shooting in Texas and see what comes up.

          • Gallatin

            Step into my home uninvited and you’ll have your example—you won’t need to use google.

          • mike_in_kosovo

            Here’s a few off the top of my head. Try to contain your surprise, there’s plenty more than these.

            New Life Church shooting, 2007

            South Side Freewill Baptist Church, 2012 (shooter wasn’t killed but held for police)

            There was an incident in Texas earlier this year where a citizen made a 100+ yard shot with a handgun to save an office pinned down by a shooter.

            The Pearl, MI school shooting was stopped by an armed school official.

      • Gallatin

        I’m having difficulty understanding your point.

  • Emily B

    We should have stricter gun laws….because, you know, criminals ALWAYS obey laws.

    • $38218625

      #YouMightBeaProudObamaSocialist

      If you ‘think’ that laws control the lawless and a “Gun-Free” zone will stop a lunatic.

    • http://www.facebook.com/tom.bannigan.3 Tom Bannigan

      Can we get one of them to stand between us and a criminal if they get these gun control laws increased?

    • Guest

      Based on that logic you might as well throw out ALL laws, because, you know, criminals ALWAYS obey laws.

  • Gallatin

    Sure we can talk about gun violence but I’m not interested in the topic as it pertains to the U.S. I want to discuss the gun violence perpetrated on the Mexican people by obowmao and holder when they handed guns to Mexican drug gangs.

    • torpedoman2002

      Oh that is guns going to criminals the left is fine with that, its law abiding citizens
      that the left are concerned about.

  • Gallatin

    Hitler believed in gun control, we all know how that turned out for the people he didn’t want to have guns.

    • 1captainhooker1

      Hitler also believed in gassing Jews and homosexuals.

      • Cold War Grunt

        And clergy, and gypsies, and the physically and mentally handicapped. It was a eugenics program. Margaret Sanger was envious.

  • Gallatin

    Stalin believed in gun control how did that work out for the Russians?

    • AndiGibson

      A system of licensing and registration is the perfect device to deny gun ownership to the bourgeoisie. Vladimir Lenin

      Ideas are more powerful than guns. We would not let our enemies have guns, why should we let them have ideas. Joseph Stalin

      All political power comes from the barrel of a gun. The communist party must command all the guns, that way, no guns can ever be used to command the party. Mao Zedung

      One man with a gun can control 100 without one. Vladimir Lenin

      We want them registered Nancy Pelosi

  • GoSellCrazySomeplaceElse

    Another car fatality, oh, and a motorcycle death. #TimeToWalk

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Brian-Pimentel/1515900473 Brian Pimentel

      120,000 people a year killed by quack Dr’s no one cares. 7000 deaths due to falls, no one cares. 50 amputations a day in this country, no one cares. The right to self defense, oh no look out.

  • BeyondPolls
  • Joe W.

    With the union violence in Michigan today, stoked by our vacationing, POS POTUS, and the total collapse of our economy and social order, I’ll be damned if I am going to talk about any form of gun control. In fact, I’ll cruise to Wal-Mart tomorrow and buy another hundred rounds for my .357 Mag and another 60 rounds for my 30.06. Civil War is in our very near future, folks, and I’ll be ready to defend my home, my family, and my person.

    • $38218625

      #YouMightBeaProudObamaSocialist

      If you ‘think’ that taking away the people’s means of self-defense will protect them.

  • Defacto

    Report them ALL for spam, screw arguing, its war now.. get their accouts delected.

  • tripledotter

    Liberal Logic 101: Never let a Crisis go to Waste. #TragedyTrolls

    • Guest

      Yeah. Liberals should totally waste a crisis. Trying to improve society after a crisis is lame. They should wait until nobody cares. Trying to propose solutions when the issue is top-of-mind is just silly.

    • Liquid Language

      *coughs* Neoncons, 9/11

      • SpinMeNot

        Yeah, let me guess, you think 9/11 was somehow not a real crisis or that we needed to sit idly by and call it, say a “bump in the road.”

        Keep humping that coconut, your handlers will be by to give you a treat.

        • Liquid Language

          You guessed wrong, but nice try. Whatever one thinks of 9/11, there is little dispute over the fact that it was used by neocons to go to war with Iraq for no reason, to push through the Patriot Act, to create the Department of Homeland Security (the largest expansion of the federal govt sinc the creation of the DOD), etc.
          I bet you were one of those scared little chickens baying for revenge and blood in the wake of 9/11. Have fun living out your life in fear.

          • SpinMeNot

            I fear nothing, I’ve dealt with more situations that would have you crapping your pants than you can possibly imagine. I don’t wear my 201 file on my license plate or my sleeve. Don’t talk to me about fear or courage.

            I do not disagree with you in regards to the DHS, or the Patriot Act. As I’ve said before, on this site, these sort of freedoms, once given up, can only be regained by the force of arms. We the people allowed that to happen — you can’t just blame the Kleptocrats.

            With regard to the Iraq war, reasons existed, credible intel from multiple sources on WMDs, that due western nations petering around with negotiations, were taken out of country, or so well hidden, they haven’t been found. Iraq has had and used them in the past, you might want to study the Iran-Iraq war a bit. What I do disagree with is the nation building and the manner in which the war in Iraq and Afghanistan have been fought. Lessons we apparently failed to learn after Viet Nam.

            The issue is 9/11 was a crisis, a real one. I apologize for assuming you to be a liberal-progessive puke. You are still comparing apples to grapes. The shooting in Oregon was not a crisis on the level of 9/11 — you are making an invalid moral equivalency.

          • Liquid Language

            Um, read my post. I did not equate the shooting to 9/11, my point was that right AND left use crises (large and small) to push things through. And, no, there was no credible WMD evidence, that is just what people tell themselves to not look like idiots for supporting that pointless adventure. There have been many accounts from DOD intel analysts, CIA agents, and public officials since the invasion that more than demonstrate the Bush admin was looking for a reason and messaging intel to get their war. A war that was never declared or put on official budgets, by the way. The reason no WMD’s have been found is because they weren’t there (or at least not in significant enough amounts to have justified our invasion). But whatever, believe want you want.
            In regards to your service, thanks for doing it.
            Oh, and I AM a liberal-progressive, but like Jesus, I know how to turn the other cheek when it suits. Have a good one.

          • SpinMeNot

            At the time of the initiation of the war, it was found to be credible — and yes a commission found it to be not so credible evidence. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. This will likely never be settled. Remember that Bush and Blair had to respond to the accusations, they did, and their responses in some part got them re-elected/re-selected. I don’t trust politicians, period.

            I also acknowledge that people connected to the intelligence claimed to have fabricated aspects of it.

            I also acknowledge the war was fought off budget, another one of my issues with the Bush Admin. It should have never been fought at all, at least in the manner it was.

  • tripledotter

    Liberal Logic 101: Never let a Crisis go to Waste. #TragedyTrolls

  • $21367552

    Well considering these shootings are happening with ever-increasing frequency, when WOULD be a good time to actually debate what to do about it? (and yes that includes “political” debates about the pros and cons of gun control).

    And, was it also sick, twisted and morally repulsive when you the first thing that came to your twitchy little mind after the FRC shooting was to go after GLAAD and SPLC for having the audacity to call FRC a “hate” group because of their sometimes hate-filled rhetoric about gay people?

    • R0nin

      “ever-increasing frequency” Got any support for that? Or could it just be that you and your ilk want to believe it, so it must be true?

      As far as what to do about it, if you think making more laws is the answer, then why don’t the existing laws already prevent it?

    • R0nin

      “ever-increasing frequency” Got any support for that? Or could it just be that you and your ilk want to believe it, so it must be true?

      As far as what to do about it, if you think making more laws is the answer, then why don’t the existing laws already prevent it?

    • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHY_xOj2M_g PistolsForPandas

      Well considering these shootings are happening with ever-increasing frequency,

      Cite please?

      And, was it also sick, twisted and morally repulsive when you the first
      thing that came to your twitchy little mind after the FRC shooting was
      to go after GLAAD and SPLC for having the audacity to call FRC a “hate”
      group because of their sometimes hate-filled rhetoric about gay people?

      If turnabout is fair play, and you think Sarah Palin is to blame for the Tuscon Massacre because she used a crosshair graphic on her website, then I really don’t see why Twitchy shouldn’t go after GLAAD and the SPLC for using overheated rhetoric. What’s good for the goose, after all…

      • SpinMeNot

        Especially when the shooter at the FRC explicitly states disagreement with the policies of the FRC before he begins shooting.

        The Tuscon incident and this most recent incident are truly random acts of violence. The FRC incident, not so much.

    • Cold War Grunt

      Open carry … he’d have gotten one shot off. Its that simple.

      An armed society is a polite society.

  • $21367552

    Well considering these shootings are happening with ever-increasing frequency, when WOULD be a good time to actually debate what to do about it? (and yes that includes “political” debates about the pros and cons of gun control).

    And, was it also sick, twisted and morally repulsive when you the first thing that came to your twitchy little mind after the FRC shooting was to go after GLAAD and SPLC for having the audacity to call FRC a “hate” group because of their sometimes hate-filled rhetoric about gay people?

  • cody hayden

    If all of you weren’t pathetic and carried a gun also this might not have happened.

    • Liquid Language

      yeah, because no one would be caught in crossfire, moron. May you never be given a gun.

      • Timothy Holt

        Not too many people have tried to go crazy and shoot up a gun range. (I don’t know of any off hand at least) Knowing the fact that everyone else is carrying might in itself prevent people from going crazy like this guy.

  • cody hayden

    If all of you weren’t pathetic and carried a gun also this might not have happened.

  • Nonya

    Guns are not the issue. It’s the bad people behind the weapon that are the problem.

    Alcoholism: DUI, Child abuse, spousal abuse
    Texting while driving, being distracted in general by anything (looking at the radio and gets in a wreck),

    etc…

    People with a Concealed Carry Firearm Permits are law-abiding citizens.
    Background check from the FBI
    Fingerprint check
    criminal history check

    I’m ‘sick and tired’ – Bill Cosby, of the stupidity of the left. The left have removed God, removed the pledge of allegiance, saying Merry christmas, christmas trees.. etc..

    WHY ARE WE CATERING TO THE LEFT? WHY?

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Brian-Pimentel/1515900473 Brian Pimentel

      Well said.

    • Liquid Language

      I’m on the left and say “Merry Christmas” all the time, even though I don’t believe in your hippy desert god. I also have a christmas tree in my house. Also, “under God” was added to the pledge in 1954, not exactly traditional, and certainly not written or used by the framers. So, what were you saying again?

      • http://twitter.com/thetugboatphil TugboatPhil

        People now celebrate Festivus out of a tradition of sorts. Having “under God” since 54 counts as a tradition.

      • mike_in_kosovo

        The Pledge was written in 1892 and not adopted by Congress until 1942 – sorta hard for the Framers to use it 100 years before it was written, wouldn’t you say?

    • SpinMeNot

      Exactly right, *hat-tip*.

      There are two issues relevant here: The forfeiture of the government/schools ability to identify and deal with individuals that have a mental aberration and hospitalize/institutionalize them (c.f. The Gabby Giffords shooter, and likely this young man). And the fact the left wants to/ have the government to sanction all forms of immoral behavior.

      Since criminal behavior is by definition immoral, and since the left believes that the government should sanction other immoral behaviors, then it must be the inanimate object that caused this to happen, right?

  • Nonya

    Guns are not the issue. It’s the bad people behind the weapon that are the problem.

    Alcoholism: DUI, Child abuse, spousal abuse
    Texting while driving, being distracted in general by anything (looking at the radio and gets in a wreck),

    etc…

    People with a Concealed Carry Firearm Permits are law-abiding citizens.
    Background check from the FBI
    Fingerprint check
    criminal history check

    I’m ‘sick and tired’ – Bill Cosby, of the stupidity of the left. The left have removed God, removed the pledge of allegiance, saying Merry christmas, christmas trees.. etc..

    WHY ARE WE CATERING TO THE LEFT? WHY?

  • http://www.vatican.va/ Rulz

    “is it OK now Fox News to talk bout gun control or still no?”

    It seems to me they already do, it’s just they get both sides, which I’m sure you hate.

  • http://www.vatican.va/ Rulz

    “is it OK now Fox News to talk bout gun control or still no?”

    It seems to me they already do, it’s just they get both sides, which I’m sure you hate.

  • http://twitter.com/MoueLaMoue Moue La Moue (D)

    I’d like to, at this time, quote a comedian. Not to be funny, or even slightly amusing. But because I think he had it best. “What ever happened to crazy? What, you just can’t be crazy anymore? Did we eliminate crazy from the dictionary?” We’ve pretty much stripped ‘crazy’ from the dictionary. It’s all about how tough our gun-control laws are. I understand that Military Grade Weapons are NOT for everyone. I understand that Military Grade Ammo is NOT for everyone. I do NOT understand how someone ELSE can decide that I as a Citizen of the United States am not FIT to own a weapon in order to defend myself, my children and my possessions — simply because SOMEONE else decided to go nutters. Please, someone tell me how that works? Or is it like, racism? IF someone ELSE does it, it’s also automatically my fault as well? Get back to me. I’d really like to be schooled.

    • Cold War Grunt

      And military grade weapons are not available to “everybody”, my guess is this guy had a run of the mill AR which is either a fancy hunting rifle chambered to .223 Win or .308 Rem (AR-15 & AR-10 respectively).

      And to be precise here, civilians have access to ammunition that is generally denied to military forces (at least for signatories of the Geneva Convention). Military ammo is a full-metal jacket — passes through you relatively cleanly in comparison to a hollow point, or soft point round.

      Gun control laws take guns out of the hands of citizens that will obey the law. This produces subjects and/or victims. I refuse to be either.

      • http://twitter.com/MoueLaMoue Moue La Moue (D)

        Exactly. You have to have special licenses and you also have to have the full F.B.I. background check, plus past experience in Law-Enforcement OR Spec Ops to have those weapons. And that’s only AFTER you’ve also had your psych eval done. They don’t just hand out those licenses like candy to anyone.

        I like the AR-15, there have been some great advances in making them lighter weight which is ideal for a woman to carry. Shot guns also have effective stopping power, but can be heavier, and long barreled, with an equally long stock — which is not ideal for a woman of a shorter, more petite stature, like myself to use with relative ease.

        Lastly, what criminal that has ever been documented in the history of documenting criminals was ever arrested for OBEYING the law? That’s never happened. Guns don’t kill people.

        • mike_in_kosovo

          There’s no need to lie about the requirements for a full-auto capable weapon.

          You have to apply to the Feds and pay a 200 tax. No “past experience in Law Enforcement or Spec Ops” and no ‘psych eval’ required.

          • http://twitter.com/MoueLaMoue Moue La Moue (D)

            I was not attempting to lie, but I’ll go a little further, since I do not think I got across what I was trying to say. I did not mean to referto the weapon itself, but the grade of ammo that you can purchase. You can not just go and get Military Grade ammo at your local Wal-Mart. You just can’t. There are certain types of ammunition that are NOT available to the general public.

            Those individuals who are allowed to carry such ammunition, are nine out of ten in some sort of Law Enforcement or Spec Ops. (Secret Service, F.B.I. Agents, S.W.A.T., etc.).

            And those agencies do regularly check up on their employee’s with psych evals.

            Again, nothing to do with the weapon itself — but the ammo.

          • mike_in_kosovo

            You can not just go and get Military Grade ammo at your local Wal-Mart.
            You just can’t. There are certain types of ammunition that are NOT
            available to the general public.

            Current 5.56mm issue is M855. It can purchased at Cheaper Than Dirt and, I’m sure, many other places. It is *NOT* illegal.

            As stated above, virtually *ANY* 5.56 hunting ammunition would have a greater wounding effect due to not being FMJ.

            Anecdotes != data.

          • http://twitter.com/MoueLaMoue Moue La Moue (D)

            There is most certainly ammo that is illegal for civilians to purchase in the United States.

            Hand Gun Armor Piercing Ammo (APA), definition § 921 (a)(17)(B)&(C).

            1) Illegal for any person to manufacture or import APA unless it is for the United States, exportation or testing authorized by the U.S. Attorney General, § 922 (a)(7), 5 years.

            2) Illegal for manufacturer or importer to sell or deliver APA unless it is for the United States, exportation or testing authorized by the U.S. Attorney General, § 922 (a)(8), 5 years.

            – It should be noted that the United States reference for these is for Military purposes, and their other “defensive” agencies.

          • mike_in_kosovo

            There is most certainly ammo that is illegal for civilians to purchase in the United States.

            I never claimed there wasn’t. YOUR claim was that military ammunition was unavailable for purchase by civilians, which was proven incorrect.

            Instead of going further and further afield in desperate attempts to cover your ass, how about you just admit you were mistaken and carry on?

          • http://twitter.com/MoueLaMoue Moue La Moue (D)

            Very well then. I was most certainly mistaken sir, and I shall carry on. Thank you, Sir.

      • SpinMeNot

        As I was driving home, the spokesperson for the law-enforcement organizations handling this incident has released a statement the weapon used had been stolen …

        http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2012/12/12/orgeon-mall-shooting.html

        Is the first hit on Google for the report … Fortunately the weapon seems to have jammed on him; or it could have been much worse.

  • http://twitter.com/MoueLaMoue Moue La Moue (D)

    I’d like to, at this time, quote a comedian. Not to be funny, or even slightly amusing. But because I think he had it best. “What ever happened to crazy? What, you just can’t be crazy anymore? Did we eliminate crazy from the dictionary?” We’ve pretty much stripped ‘crazy’ from the dictionary. It’s all about how tough our gun-control laws are. I understand that Military Grade Weapons are NOT for everyone. I understand that Military Grade Ammo is NOT for everyone. I do NOT understand how someone ELSE can decide that I as a Citizen of the United States am not FIT to own a weapon in order to defend myself, my children and my possessions — simply because SOMEONE else decided to go nutters. Please, someone tell me how that works? Or is it like, racism? IF someone ELSE does it, it’s also automatically my fault as well? Get back to me. I’d really like to be schooled.

  • Let’em Crash
  • Thought Criminal #1

    Another psychopath shoots up a place where there were definitely no armed citizens. More corpses laid at the feet of the stupidity of the gun free zone.

  • Guest

    The same nutcases screaming gun control are screaming free abortions for everyone in the same breath. Hypocrites.

  • GaryTheBrave

    But, but, wasn’t there a No Firearms Allowed sign at the mall? If there wasn’t then let’s blame the mall for we all know that had the nut seen a No Firearms Allowed sign he would’ve not gone in. /sarc

  • AndiGibson
  • $35072932

    Chuck Woolery’s top reasons to own an assault rifle
    http://dailycaller.com/2012/12/11/chuck-wollerys-top-reasons-to-own-an-assault-rifle/

    1. The Constitution – you know that old outdated Constitution that is the law of the land.

    2. Second Amendment allows for assault weapons. The kind of guns we own are not limited.

    3. Assault weapons act as a deterrent to foreign invasion. “A rifle behind every blade of grass” ~Fleet Admiral and Commander-in-Chief of the Imperial Japanese Navy, Isoroku Yamamoto, discussing why Japan could not invade the United States during WWII.

    4. There is already a ban on assault rifles. Since 1934 they have been regulated – that would be real assault weapons, not things that look like assault weapons.

    5. Handguns kill people too. All guns are dangerous in the wrong hands.

    6. We need the jobs. The gun industry employs 184,000 people with good paying jobs.

  • $63227

    You are also politicizing this issue by criticizing these gun control advocates and publicly speaking defensively about 2nd Amendment rights so soon after the shooting. Discussing gun control in the wake of such a tragedy is hardly an insult to the victims; it is because people were hurt and killed that concerns about this issue surface. It is an entirely appropriate discussion to have. Base you arguments on fact and reason.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Brian-Pimentel/1515900473 Brian Pimentel

      I have to agree with the gun grabber on this one. If a plane crashes, talking about air travel is not unexpected. Spouse beats up another spouse, domestic violence becomes a topic around the water cooler.

  • 1captainhooker1

    Yes, what a horrible thing to do that whole wondering why we are such a violent society and being inspired to wonder if guns are a problem or not when they are used to kill innocent people. Imagine the gall it takes to ask the awful question of “Why do things like this happen?” and the even crazier question of “Is there a way to make people stop shooting each other?”

    I mean, what kind of idiot in his right mind thinks that way? Obviously someone politically driven. It’s not like they could really be wondering how to make ourselves safer in the face of violence and relatively free-reign gun ownership.

    • Lin Jarvis

      Shootings in Chicago Gun Free Zone up 49% in November because… gun laws really work toward ending violence.

  • vernabc_is_a_liberal_troll

    I wonder who is really behind all of the recent mass shootings.

    • 1captainhooker1

      errr….lunatics with guns?

      • vernabc_is_a_liberal_troll

        close… DEMOCRATS!!!

        • Liquid Language

          oh no, what? the Democrats are responsible for all the mass shootings? They must be using their vegan-torture MK Ultra sleeper agents that they recruited from their homosexual Muslim terrorist camps. DERP!!

  • danainoregon

    Gun Control? WTF, are you stupid? Gun control restricts the LAWFUL as we all know that the criminals have morality and obey the laws. How about we look at this lunatic’s emotional and moral state. Child Control (education, respect, love, nurturing) never seems to be brought up! #STFUGunControlFuktards

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Brian-Pimentel/1515900473 Brian Pimentel

    I feel for the victims and their families, but I’m a little annoyed. We’ve got inner city shootings daily in this country, and no one cares. Some white people get shot in a mall, and everyone is up in arms. Lets face it, that’s racist. If America really wants to get a handle on violence, not gun violence, just violence in general we need to end this stupid war on drugs, create jobs, and put some effort into improving our school systems.

  • Brent

    I agree with the post in the sense that victims and their families should have time to mourn, and those that died should be respected in the sense that gun control talk will, inevitably, simply start a culture war – removing respect/attention paid toward those dead.

    That being said, the people advocating for gun control, whether you agree with them or not, are speaking out because they want to see fewer gun related crimes/casualties in this country. I understand that you don’t agree that guns are the problem! You are entitled to that opinion… But to somehow twist their please for gun control into some kind of venomous political strategy is playing the same politics yourself.

    Everyone wants to see a safer country for themselves and their children, but many disagree with what would create a safer environment. That is why debate is important, and shouldn’t always be angry rants on both sides.

    • SpinMeNot

      Brent, you make your point well, but there are some flaws in your argument. If everyone wants to see a safer country, why do we not identify and either treat or institutionalize individuals with mental aberrations as we did prior to the early 1970’s? Yes, I acknowledge there were problems in the system, but those problems should have been fixed, rather than simply removing that option (done by liberal politicians, judges, and academics).

      The left twists the right’s pleas for allowing people to choose what health insurance they buy into venomous political strategies, or so called tax cuts — raising rates on the wealthy one or two percent will not in any way impact the deficit.

      The big difference in both of these situations is that the 2nd Amendment is in the constitution — government regulation of health insurance is not, but the 9th and 10th amendment are; that which is not explicitly delegated to the federal government or explicitly prohibited to the states, is the the purview of the states.

      Gun control, 2nd amendment — no federal powers. Gun control, 9th and 10th amendment — falls to the states. There doesn’t need to be a debate that national level — the debates need to occur at the state level. Portland (where the shooter lived) has very strict gun control laws. The weapon in question was stolen.

      editted: I had a senior moment and typed Oregon, when I should have said Portland. Oregon as a state is fairly reasonable with regard to gun control.

  • Danger Mouse

    yes because any discussion about how to prevent a tragedy is an INSULT to the victims. America is hopeless.

  • Lin Jarvis

    The gun control party threatens to shoot Gov. Snyder (Mich.)

  • Guest

    It’s not a political reaction. It’s pragmatism. The people making those posts are thinking about ways to solve the problem. No matter if you agree or disagree with their proposed solution, you can’t possibly call it politics as usual.

  • ArimasuKa

    First time poster here…
    May I ask why it’s “sadistic” to “politicize” a tragedy like this? The reason gun control advocates point to things like this is because they’re the REASON they’re calling for gun control… it’s too easy for an unhinged person to buy a gun and shoot up a shopping mall. And the loved ones of the people who were killed would probably agree.
    My opinion is that attacking gun control advocates for “politicizing” a tragedy is a way of trying to delay a serious discussion of gun control until we all forget about it.

    • Guest

      Can you fill me in on how easy it is to buy a gun? I had to spend a 100+ bucks to take a gun safety class, then another 100 bucks just to submit and application. Then after a back ground check and a few weeks you get your license if the cops are cooperative. Then when you get your license a few weeksmonths later you can actually go buy a gun. When you are at the store and have selected your gun, you need to first fill out the Federal paper work that everyone in the US needs to fill out. Then the store calls the FBI and has a Federal background check run. If you pass that, I then get my finger print scanned for the state back ground check. After all that and a few hundredthousand dollars later I’m able to take my gun home. So please tell me again how easy it is to buy a gun in this country? Tell me what law you would implement that would stop criminals, and yet not hinder my rights anymore.

    • Michael

      Tell me more about how deeply people who plan to commit murder care about the law… If someone wants a gun, they’ll be able to get one, no matter what half-baked law you try to institute. The only people deterred by gun control laws are people that respect the law, i.e. people that don’t shoot up shopping malls.

  • Earl Aker

    Talking about gun control isn’t political, but you are trying your hardest to make it sound like it. So bravo?

  • Trolltron

    How come no-one ever talks about banning the manufacturing of guns in America. That would solve the issue all together….and hunters learn to bow hunt like real hunters.

    • People Corporation

      Because guns aren’t just for hunting. They are also good for getting rid of tyrants, as the founders knew all too well.Guns sales didn’t skyrocket the past 4 years because the deer population got bigger..

      • willi0000000

        Jim Snape, no, they skyrocketed because there are a lot of paranoid people out there. you probably wouldn’t know a tyrant if they bit you on the backside.

        if you want an example of a tyrant, how about five unelected, supposedly apolitical people nullifying a lawful election and appointing the President of the United States twelve years ago.

        • People Corporation

          Hey Obamabot – “If you would know who controls you see who you may not criticize.”

          BTW – your rage over what happened 12 years ago is probably on topic – somewhere.

        • mike_in_kosovo

          You mean the one that all the recounts proved was legit?

    • SpinMeNot

      Because I can’t shoot trap with a bow.

      You need to work on your reasoning … stopping the manufacture of guns in this country would do nothing, they are in the hands of the populace, law abiding and otherwise already. Stopping the sale of ammunition as well would do nothing. I, and many others, manufacture our own out of components. So lets stop manufacturing those as well. Eventually, we’ll have to stop the manufacture of all brass, steel, woods and plastics for sale to the general public.

      Oh, and then actually have to close our borders completely to keep them from being brought in from out-of-country.

      Why don’t we talk about the real problem, which is our immoral culture that glorifies random violence in movies, music and writing while at the same time fails to teach basic morality either at home or in school.

      I hope you were being facetious with your post, but by your “call sign” (somebody told me it is more proper to call it a screen name) you are just another coconut humping liberal-progressive puke or an attention starved adolescent sitting in your parent’s basement reveling in your public school lack-of-education.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Brian-Pimentel/1515900473 Brian Pimentel

    So my question to the people on the fence regarding gun rights is, what law would you implement to keep guns out of the hands of criminals, without infringing on the rights of the 80 million + and growing gun owners in this country. I live in Mass where you need to do the following to get a license.

    *Take a safety class, 100 bucks
    *Have a back ground check
    * Pay a 100 bucks to apply for the license

    Then once I get a license, if I get a license, since even if you pass all the checks you can be denied and there is no “due process” in Mass when it comes to a gun license. I have to fill out the federal form that everyone in the US needs to fill out to buy a gun, then I need to go through the instant background check by the FBI, the one that everyone in the US has to go through. Once I’m done with that, I have to have my finger print scanned as part of the state background check system. Only then do I get to buy a gun.

  • People Corporation

    How about a national dialogue on wearing earrings on your face? It seems to be the common theme in delinquents and mall shooters. And lets have a national dialogue on why leftists only notice gun violence in places where guns aren’t banned. I never hear them talking about the daily massacres in cities that they run where guns by law abiding citizens are already banned.

    • SpinMeNot

      Hoodies … don’t forget hoodies.

      Oh crap, there I go, be a racist again. Sorry, back to my corner …

  • Rodney Brungardt

    More liberal rhetoric about gun control. It’s just the fact they don’t realize that outlawing guns will NOT make them go away. You make owning a gun a crime, them only criminals will have guns.

  • bullsballs

    I have no problems with gun control, the latest would be everyone eligible to own a firearm MUST own a firearm, or you can pay a $500 tax for the luxury of NOT owning a firearm.
    That way, you are supporting the police for their having to take care of you after you are the victim of a crime.

  • BeeKaaay

    Leftwingwackos are bloodthirsty and love violence. That’s why they hate it when you defend yourself.

  • Joe A

    You guys aren’t thinking straight – there are a lot of crazy people out there. When crazy people get guns they cause damage and that damage is done in seconds. Maybe you could stop him after some of it, maybe you would die tryin. But if he only had a knife, it’s a completely different story – and you wouldn’t need a gun to protect yourself.

    How about that shooting at the movie theatre? Would you be watching the entry way all movie waiting for that guy to come through and unload? Would you go all Rambo takin fire with your kids right next to you? Don’t kid yourself.

    • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHY_xOj2M_g PistolsForPandas

      You guys aren’t thinking straight – there are a lot of crazy people out
      there. When crazy people get guns they cause damage and that damage is
      done in seconds.

      Simple solution: just enforce the gun laws that are already on the books which keep criminals and crazies from buying guns, while allowing sane and law-abiding people to continue to buy and use them. No need to infringe upon a constitutional right, which the SCOAMF has made a habit of these past four years.

      But if he only had a knife, it’s a completely different story – and you wouldn’t need a gun to protect yourself.

      Have you seen the crime rates in the UK lately, particularly those committed with knives? You’re more than twice as likely to be a victim of knife crime in the UK than to be a victim of knife crime in the US.

      http://sob.apotheon.org/?p=1323

      How about that shooting at the movie theatre? Would you be watching the
      entry way all movie waiting for that guy to come through and unload?
      Would you go all Rambo takin fire with your kids right next to you?
      Don’t kid yourself.

      Meh. Aurora was an extreme case, and not something that happens often (after all, why else would it make national headlines?). Other self-defense cases, such as defense of the home during a home invasion or defense of one’s person during a mugging or attempted rape, are far more common, up to about 2.5 million cases a year.

      http://www.guncite.com/gun_control_gcdguse.html

  • willi0000000

    has it occurred to anyone here that the people concerned about gun violence ARE thinking about the victims and their families? or that they latch onto gun control because they have never been shown any alternative that might curb gun violence? that they are only trying to reduce future pain and suffering to potential victims and their families? that maybe they don’t necessarily want to take YOUR guns away but just want to find a way to keep them out of the hands of raving lunatics?

    didn’t think so.

  • agb1953 .

    This guy stole the gun (broke laws), killed people (broke laws), but if we just had the right magic words of one more “gun law” written down somewhere this could have been stopped? Okay. Makes sense to me.

  • KT

    “If roads were collapsing all across the United States, killing dozens of drivers, we would surely see that as a moment to talk about what we could do to keep roads from collapsing. If terrorists were detonating bombs in port after port, you can be sure Congress would be working to upgrade the nation’s security measures. If a plague was ripping through communities, public-health officials would be working feverishly to contain it.

    Only with gun violence do we respond to repeated tragedies by saying that mourning is acceptable but discussing how to prevent more tragedies is not. “Too soon,” howl supporters of loose gun laws. But as others have observed, talking about how to stop mass shootings in the aftermath of a string of mass shootings isn’t “too soon.” It’s much too late.”