There’s one thing about the official Socialist Party Twitter account; they always get hammered in the replies, but they just keep on sticking with socialism and explaining how it will be a utopia once it’s tried the right way. The thing to remember when reading their scenario is “scaling up” — this is just an example of two people willing to share, but imagine when everyone is socialist and shares everything they have.
Jack’s a carpenter. His neighbour Jean’s a baker. Jean has some doors with loose hinges. Jack says he’ll fix them. Jean says she’ll give him some cakes as a thank you. Scale up a willingness to help others, where all will receive what they need, and you have a socialist society. pic.twitter.com/xuLZDNFqAQ
— The Socialist Party (@OfficialSPGB) March 14, 2023
What if Jack doesn’t need cakes? She could just pay him cash and he could buy whatever he wanted.
That… that’s capitalism.
— Libertarian Party of Tennessee (@LPTN1776) March 14, 2023
Working for others, purely helpfully, without asking for something in return, is not capitalism.
— The Socialist Party (@OfficialSPGB) March 14, 2023
Yeah that’s just capitalism without a granular medium of exchange.
— Dan Paddock (@UndeadDan) March 14, 2023
A willingness to be helpful is not capitalism. A necessity to sell your labour in return for a wage to buy what you can afford is capitalism.
— The Socialist Party (@OfficialSPGB) March 14, 2023
Yeah. Cool. That’s just being a neighbor. Jack still had to buy the screws, tools, hinges, wood putty, etc. Jean still has to buy flower, sugar, eggs and other ingredients. Socialism isn’t being neighborly. Socialism is misery and privation.
— Thaddaeus Vinson (@TCarlVinson) March 15, 2023
"Jack still had to buy the screws, tools, hinges, wood putty, etc. Jean still has to buy flower, sugar, eggs and other ingredients."
You missed where it said "scale up" this. Then, all those things would be freely available thanks to the kindliness and helpfulness of others.
— The Socialist Party (@OfficialSPGB) March 15, 2023
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In a socialist system, those cakes don’t belong to Jean. They belong to society.
— tracer (@tracer_120) March 15, 2023
Yes, and there will be more than enough for all. And Jean, and the other bakers, will all have free access to whatever goods and services they need.
— The Socialist Party (@OfficialSPGB) March 15, 2023
The problem is the scaling up bit. To be fair, this is a problem at many points on the political spectrum.
— Oliver Burkeman (@oliverburkeman) March 15, 2023
"The problem is the scaling up bit."
Not so. If you have a clear majority willing to contribute (because they're socialists) in order to enjoy all the benefits that come from living and working in a class-free, state-free, money-free voluntaristic society, then it can succeed.
— The Socialist Party (@OfficialSPGB) March 15, 2023
So that’s why it’s never succeeded anywhere it’s been tried.
Sharing is great, and it should be encouraged.
Forcing me to share is what dictators do.
No thanks, Socialism
— Joel M. Petlin (@Joelmpetlin) March 15, 2023
Does everyone provide for me if I don't feel like working?
— Darren Hill (@DarrHill) March 15, 2023
Marxist socialism requires a majority (preferably a large one) to come about in the first place, so when it replaces capitalism, most people able to contribute will do so. Most of those who didn’t vote for it would respect the majority’s democratic choice, and go along with it.
— The Socialist Party (@OfficialSPGB) March 15, 2023
That's a free market. Socialism is when you kill people for not sharing.
— AJ Olding (@AndrewOlding) March 15, 2023
But there was no agreed exchange of goods. Jack asked for nothing to fix Jean's doors. He did it simply because he was being nice and helpful. Jean didn't have to give Jack anything, but did, because she was nice and helpful too. This is human nature, which capitalism obstructs.
— The Socialist Party (@OfficialSPGB) March 15, 2023
It was good of you to illustrate how this works in practice by voluntarily exchanging your idiocy for a ratio.
— Charles C. W. Cooke (@charlescwcooke) March 15, 2023
See, this is exactly the kind of tweet I’d expect to see when the kind of people who support ideas like socialism have had basically complete control over the public school systems for the last several decades. 🤣
— Jeremy Knauff (@jeremyknauff) March 15, 2023
I had this idea when I was maybe 5. Then I grew up and saw how the world really is and that this is not possible. Some people didn't grow up it seems like.
— Audrius Kliukas (@ZolotojKrokodil) March 15, 2023
You didn't grow up. You grew down as you became conditioned into being ruthless, selfish and nasty in pursuit of your god called Money.
— The Socialist Party (@OfficialSPGB) March 15, 2023
“You grew down.”
That's just called being a neighbor.
— Hmmmmmm (@AkaliBf) March 15, 2023
NOW you’re getting it! So why can't people not just behave neighborly to their neighbors, but behave neighborly to everyone else, with everyone else behaving neighborly to you? This is impossible under class-divided money-obsessed capitalism, which is why we want socialism.
— The Socialist Party (@OfficialSPGB) March 15, 2023
Honestly, it’s good of whoever runs the Socialist Party’s Twitter account to reply to everyone, although they’re not always very neighborly about it. They provide great examples of why this would never work.
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