Flashback: Obama pledged to reduce health insurance premiums by $2,500 per family per year

Rate Shock: In California, Obamacare to Increase Individual Insurance Premiums by 64-146% – Forbes http://t.co/Rce9uNE6QY

— Avik Roy (@Avik) May 30, 2013

1. The insurance plan I wrote about here http://t.co/aZIuVEqBC1 which rejects or upcharges 25% of applicants, is hardly the worst.

— Ezra Klein (@ezraklein) June 2, 2013

2. This plan, for instance, rejects 45% of everyone who applies and up charges another 9%. http://t.co/5ln2iOp6pY

— Ezra Klein (@ezraklein) June 2, 2013

3. 3. This one rejects 22% and up charges 6%. http://t.co/rCJENXO0AP

— Ezra Klein (@ezraklein) June 2, 2013

4. And many sick folks have long ago given up trying. These rates might understate the real amount of rejection.

— Ezra Klein (@ezraklein) June 2, 2013

5. You really can't look at the teaser rates for indiv market plans and say that's the "price."

— Ezra Klein (@ezraklein) June 2, 2013

6. The people worried about "rate shock" now haven't been as worried about the shock for these folks who get turned away.

— Ezra Klein (@ezraklein) June 2, 2013

7. Nor is there even a serious alternative policy for helping them that's being seriously pursued on the right.

— Ezra Klein (@ezraklein) June 2, 2013

8. The individual market is a nightmare. Folks using measures that implicitly endorse the status quo need to rethink.

— Ezra Klein (@ezraklein) June 2, 2013

@avik Remember, Obama's plan didn't have an individual mandate. That was Hillary's. And what passed is pretty much the Senate Finance Plan.

— Policy Prescriptions (@PolicyRx) June 2, 2013

Glad we're finally having a debate about whether rate shock is a good thing. But that's a different debate than whether or not it exists.

— Avik Roy (@Avik) June 1, 2013