Wow:

From the Houston Chronicle:

A Harris County grand jury probe into Planned Parenthood of the Gulf Coast ended Monday with the indictments of two anti-abortion activists.

David Daleiden and Sandra Merritt were both indicted for tampering with a governmental record. An additional indictment for prohibition of the purchase and sale of human organs was issued for Daleiden, according to a release from the Harris County District Attorneys Office.

“We were called upon to investigate allegations of criminal conduct by Planned Parenthood Gulf Coast,” said Harris County District Attorney Devon Anderson. “As I stated at the outset of this investigation, we must go where the evidence leads us. All the evidence uncovered in the course of this investigation was presented to the grand jury. I respect their decision on this difficult case.”

  • oodee

    Um… what the hell?

    • Ham ☑ – Only ✝Christ Matters

      Would I be out of line if I assumed that Planned Death-hood doesn’t just use tax dollars to kill babies, but to payoff grand juries as well?

      Because a payoff is the only thing that makes sense here.

      • Penny✓ItsSoFluffy! #GoBolts!

        Nope, not out of line at all. But this IS Houston we’re talking about here. They’re not right in the head.

        • Duane Savage

          Typical Texas Democrat dirty politics. Houston and Austin are both liberal cesspools. My guess is the Atty General is already looking into this.

          • Mark

            The prosecutor is a republican appointed by Rick Perry. What if the evidence is the reason?

          • D. R. Tiller

            That kind of truth-telling won’t fly here, pal.

          • Duane Savage

            You think Perry is a conservative? You aren’t from Texas..

        • SICKOFTHELAPDOGMEDIA

          No self respecting Texan claims Houston

          • Penny✓ItsSoFluffy! #GoBolts!

            Thanks be to God there’s still some sense in TX. 🙂

          • Kain’tPutt

            Every time I flush my toilet in Dallas I get a smile on my face knowing that its going to Houston. Right where it belongs. LOL

          • Webster

            “No true Scotsman …”?

      • Dan Summers

        Not surprised that the logic does not make sense to you. It was perfectly logical why this happened.
        Planned Parenthood did not break any laws!! These activists DID break the law.
        Your comment proves your bias towards the whole idea of Planned Parenthood.

        • Mary Mommy Happy 2017!

          Yeah. Because let’s punish the people that try to expose a pro-abortion organization. That callously admit while laughing to doing illegal activities of keeping aborted babies intact.

          So as to get more money for the medical waste. Because hey buying a Lamborghini isn’t cheap.

          • mikeyz99

            You read the article? “Harris County officials partnered with the Texas Rangers and the Houston Police Department to conduct the months-long investigation into the clinic.”

            Nothing illegal found except the lying film makers. Got it yet? The film makers lied to you.

          • Mary Mommy Happy 2017!

            If planned parenthood done nothing wrong. Why did planned parenthood announced in the wake of CMP’s videos that it would no longer accept any form of reimbursement. The claim that it was not previously earning a profit would seem to be deserving of close scrutiny.

          • sherrybb

            Come on, why do you think they changed their procedures? there were FEW offices that did this, and the ones that did got accused of horrific things that were NOT TRUE. It makes perfect sense except in the minds of those who are now denouncing the Republican DA, the Texas Rangers and the Houston Police, all in cahoots allegedly?

          • blockthiscnn

            Well the DA does have a planned parenthood board member and fundraiser on his staff.

            http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/25/politics/planned-parenthood-activists-indicted/

          • sherrybb

            Interesting that you would leave out that the article confirmed that the DA on her staff was NOT involved in investigating this at all? Are you aware that a DA has many different staff members? God, you people find more excuses than my kids did when they were caught making stuff up!

          • blockthiscnn

            The staffer isn’t involved in this investigation? Well, hell’s bells, then there’s NO possible way the investigation could be tainted, just because they say so.

          • sherrybb

            Sure, all 300 lawyers and 300 paralegals and other support staff were assigned to this case. The 600 employees dropped all the murders, rapes, and other cases they were working on just so they could all convince the Texas Rangers and the Houston PD to ignore facts and instead of indicting PP, switch to indicting the brilliant film makers.

            Man, when you guys think up conspiracies every single time things don’t turn out the way you want, you look like loons.

          • blockthiscnn

            Then if the case against CMP is so strong, you should have no problem letting an independent prosecutor handle it.

          • blockthiscnn

            And what does the number of lawyers assigned to this case matter anyway? All it takes is one office boyfriend (or girlfriend, I’m not judging) of said staff member working this case to taint it. Nope, if I was CMP’s lawyer I’d be all over this like white on rice on a paper plate in a snowstorm in Northeastern Minnesota. I’m beginning to wonder if the DA isn’t actually throwing the case.

          • Mark

            In August, when Reeder’s background was disclosed by the DA, Anderson insisted she would be separated from the case.

            “She will not be involved in any manner in this investigation,” Anderson said at the time, according to the Houston Chronicle.

          • blockthiscnn

            Hey, that’s great. That a prosecutors office wouldnt indict an organization whom one of his staff members sits on their board. Nope, no conflict of interest there. Why, if it went before a grand jury, then it must be an open and shut case, and you shouldn’t have an issue with an independent prosecutor handling the case instead.

          • sherrybb

            Criminals must really like your style. 600 employees and they can’t handle anything because 1 who does not sit on the case might be biased. It’s hilarious.

          • teenygozer

            To answer your question, Mary Mommy, it is because they’re Democrats, and most politicians who are Democrats are spineless even when they are totally in the right and not doing anything wrong or the slightest bit illegal. They tend to quail at the idea of the merest appearance of wrong-doing or being accused of something they didn’t do. For pity’s sake, a Democratic administration closed down ACORN when that other stupid fake video came out with the two dimwits making believe they were a hooker and a pimp, when ACORN hadn’t done a single thing wrong. The rules of that office were to nod a lot when weirdos came in, then report any odd occurrences to the FBI, which they did after fake-pimp & fake-hooker left the office–they reported the incidents to the FBI. When the tapes came out and it looked like the ACORN workers were agreeing with the idiot dressed as a sitcom pimp talking about hiding money in a tin can in the backyard, the Democrats in the administration folded and shut down ACORN rather than fight for a really good neighborhood program that was actually helping poor people. Democratic politicians almost never fight for what they believe in, even when they know for a fact they are in the right… instead they find any excuse to fold.

            I have a certain amount of admiration for you people: even though you are trying to make the rest of us live under your sharia-like religious laws when we’re not members of your religion, at least you are willing to fight for what you believe in, and that is praise-worthy. It’s very Quixotic of you.

          • Ham ☑ – Only ✝Christ Matters

            “sharia-like religious laws”.

            You do realize that if Christianity were even remotely “sharia-like”, you wouldn’t be alive to post such a ridiculous comment. But continue to make asinine comments, and we Christians will continue to pray for this country, your salvation, and all of our freedom, all while doing our best to fight against sharia.

          • http://wandererswaysite.wordpress.com Wanderer

            Wow, the troll you replied to is an extra special type of stupid isn’t it? ACORN did nothing wrong? Dems fold all the time? What planet does this piece of filth live on?

          • Robert Feldman

            Tell me, of the Ten Commandments…which ones are we American Citizens supposed to ‘follow’?

          • objectivefactsmatter

            “They tend to quail at the idea of the merest appearance of wrong-doing or being accused of something they didn’t do. For pity’s sake, a Democratic administration closed down ACORN when that other stupid fake video came out with the two dimwits making believe they were a hooker and a pimp, when ACORN hadn’t done a single thing wrong. ”

            http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2015/06/irs_destroyed_evidence_in_lois_lerner_case_.html

            http://www.worldmag.com/2015/06/investigators_find_evidence_irs_destroyed_email_evidence_in_targeting_scandal

            http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2016/01/federal-bureaucracies-incompetent-corrupt-or-both.php

          • Carolyn#OYSD

            What you have there is a full fledged delusion. Don’t approach…they could be dangerous.

          • Grumpy

            “Honest is not going to get you a house.”

            get a “house with a backyard. You get a tin can … and bury (your money) down in there”

            Reality: what a concept!

          • objectivefactsmatter

            “I have a certain amount of admiration for you people: even though you are trying to make the rest of us live under your sharia-like religious laws when we’re not members of your religion, at least you are willing to fight for what you believe in, and that is praise-worthy. It’s very Quixotic of you.”

            Moron,

            When does life begin, at what age? Not “legally” but literally. What is your “scientific” answer?

          • Robert Feldman

            Viability…why do over 40% of implanted, fertilized eggs, end in spontaneous abortion? Your god is evil.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            Robert Feldman 5 hours ago

            “Viability…why do over 40% of implanted, fertilized eggs, end in spontaneous abortion? Your god is evil.”

            Another idiot that is completely incapable of following an actual conversation: Robert Feldman

          • Robert Feldman

            “It’s logical to say that human life begins at conception.”

            The ONLY way your statement is ‘logical’ is if your human life can sustain itself…can it at conception?

            What do we call life that cannot sustain itself? A fetus prior to 21 weeks (conservatives like to say “welfare recipient”).

          • objectivefactsmatter

            STFU. You’re only embarrassing yourself.

          • Robert Feldman

            Did I touch a nerve, Mr. Logical?

          • objectivefactsmatter

            Moron,

            I read your comment stream.

          • Paula Flechtner Martin

            At first I thought you were being sarcastic, but no, you’re insane.

          • Freddy Merks

            ACORN was dismantled to disperse $800 million dollars in taxpayer cash stolen by the Obama administration to train his blue shirts and civilian army as well armed as the military to incite riots and pay for voter fraud. How do you think the pitch forks were withheld while he was jacking up anyone with money who did not back his election? How do you explain Christie kissing ass after Jersey mob fellows found dead over Canadian border? How do you think his iron boot on their throats was intended to be used? How do you think Black Panthers threatening people with bats at a Philly polling place walked? Don’t be a dick.

          • Frederick Leatherman

            The matter has been scrutinized closely multiple times. 11 states and the feds have investigated and determined that PP did not violate any laws.

            The criminals used fake identities with their own photographs on otherwise valid California driver’s licenses to get into a Planned Parenthood conference. That is a felony punishable by at least 2 up to a max of 20 years.

            After they were admitted, Daleiden attempted to buy fetal tissue. PP rejected his offer.

            His offer was a crime because It’s unlawful to attempt to purchase or sell human organ tissue.

            Open. And. Shut. End. Of. Story.

            Deal with it.

          • http://wandererswaysite.wordpress.com Wanderer

            Not a lawyer are you?

            I’d explain the many ways you’re wrong but it’s been a waste of my time even talking to you this much, you piece of ignorant filth.

            I’d say I’m done with you but I was done before I started.

          • http://wandererswaysite.wordpress.com Wanderer

            Wow, they got a whole brigade of trolls out for this one. Pity for them it doesn’t matter how many screen names they use, they’re still lying, they’re still wrong, and they’re still blithely backing up people who kill babies.

            Nice to see we make them so mad.

            EDIT: Oh look, I have one poking at me now. He seems to be under the mistaken impression that I consider filth that props up baby murder to be worth talking to.

          • Robert Feldman

            “babies”…please define.

          • Grumpy

            When is someone going to examine their financial records?

            Whether or not they profited could be easily and positively determined by a simple audit.

          • Sarah ✈

            No they did not. But keep your head in the sand.

          • sherrybb

            that is hilarious. The ones who are having their head in the sand don’t seem to even know who they are. Hint, for all of you who think these charges are some kind of a conspiracy….it’s you.

          • Duane Savage

            All evidence doesn’t have to presented to the grand jury. I don’t think I’ve ever heard of a Texas grand jury convened to look into one crime indict someone else on a completely different crime. This is politically driven..period. All will come out in the trial, unfortunately the grand jury or the D.A. will never have to answer for their action..they’re immune.

          • blockthiscnn

            If I was CMPs lawyer I would introduce a ham sandwich into evidence.

          • fuzzi

            Ha! You beat me to it by 18 minutes…

          • fuzzi

            There’s an expression that “a Grand Jury can indict a ham sandwich”. Consider the location (liberal Houston), and the other information about collusion within the DA’s office, and then the indictment makes sense. I don’t agree with it, I think the videos are too clear, the statements by PP execs are too damning, and justice will be done, eventually.

          • Mark

            The prosecutor is a republican and was appointed by Rick Perry. You just can’t handle the truth.

          • Duane Savage

            The DA is.. one asst DA is on the Board of Directors of Planned Parenthood. The truth is that a Grand Jury is convened to determine if an accused person is likely to have committed a crime. They aren’t convened to take all available evidence and decide who in the universe are guilty of crimes. The DA brings evidence on the crime in question (in this case PP) and the Grand Jury decides if they are likely to have committed a crime. The accusation has to originate in the DA’s office, not with the Grand Jury during the deliberation.

            So, when was the Grand Jury convened to indict the reporters? They weren’t the accused.

          • Catherine Lamb

            Actually, a Grand Jury is convened not to decide if an individual is likely to be convicted of a crime, it is convened to decide if there is enough credible evidence to bring charges and to prosecute said individual. The Grand Jury has no bearing on the guilt or innocence of anyone, only if there is enough evidence to bring charges.

          • sherrybb

            Seriously? you have never heard of such a thing? my god, it happens all the time. You think the grand jury is supposed to ignore other crimes?

          • Duane Savage

            Perhaps, you should familiarize yourself with the Grand Jury process in Texas.

          • http://whatandever.blogspot.com/ Osumashi Kinyobe

            You’re darling!

            Who let you out?

          • blockthiscnn

            So yeah, a grand jury indictment is a presumption of guilt now?

            https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_juries_in_the_United_States#Rubber_stamp_for_the_prosecution

          • Todd20036

            They took a video, heavily edited it so one could draw the pre-conceived conclusion, then got caught.

            Oh why do I even bother on this site?

          • Mary Mommy Happy 2017!

            The full videos are online. Why don’t you see them for yourself. Instead of having planned parenthood think for you.

          • Todd20036

            I did, and you know what, the grand jury saw them too.

            And guess what….

          • Mary Mommy Happy 2017!

            You are such a deceitful liar with saying you seen them. You just want to troll this site and don’t care about facts.

          • Todd20036

            Oh I’ve seen the video. It discusses selling aborted tissue for medical research.

          • Meowbius

            To pay for Ferrari

          • Todd20036

            Um… no.

          • Meowbius

            So you did not see the videos. What’s your excuse for lying?

          • Todd20036

            I saw it. No one is buying a Ferrari with money from fetal tissue.

          • Meowbius

            So you haven’t heard it – she says it clearly. Well, my bad, she actually mentioned a Lamborghini. Try to watch it with the sound on.

          • Quality

            It’s called a “joke”. A Planned Parenthood affiliate receiving a small monetary reimbursement for storage and transportation of fetal tissue doesn’t generate any profit.

          • Kyle Bradelle

            You’re right. Because she said “I want a Lamborghini”.

          • fishydude

            I think she said Lambo. 😀

          • Meowbius

            Yeah, I figured it our. Thanks for pointing out that I am not an educated consumer when it comes to the cars that ordinary job won’t pay for ;P

          • Meowbius

            Yeah, I figured it out. Thanks for pointing out that I am not an educated consumer when it comes to the cars that ordinary job won’t pay for
            ;P
            OTOH, one of the trolls said he’s a millionaire… can you make that much just trolling on Townhall? asking for a friend

          • Meowbius

            I tried to answer but my reply got lost…
            Thank you for pointing it out. I guess my ordinary job makes me somewhat not fully interested in the luxury car market, so there 😛
            However, Todd claimed to be a millionaire, got me thinking, did he make his first million pooping on the conservative blogs? must be easy money.

          • Duane Savage

            Videos..plural

          • fuzzi

            Keep repeating “aborted tissue”, but the PP execs said “baby”. You know, they know, we all know these are babies being executed for profit, but keep trying to convince yourself otherwise. The blood of innocents is on our hands, as a nation.

          • Robert Feldman

            Define ‘baby’.

            Then tell us all how many abortions annually are performed after 13 weeks.

            FACTS

          • fuzzi

            Go Google the stats, you’re capable, I think?

            I’m curious about this alleged metamorphosis of an infant between 13 and 14 weeks, how it changes from a blob of tissue to a baby at that time. Isn’t that something.

          • Robert Feldman

            No, not really red herring…it’s called ‘viability’ and it is linked to the 20th week actually. I only brought up ’13 weeks’ as it is the 1ST TRIMESTER, language more commonly used when referring to abortion.

            The answer is 90%.

            After 20 weeks, abortions happen about 1.2% of the time.

          • Mark

            Reimbursement for shipping and handling is not the same as selling. How much do you think it would cost to ship refrigerated body parts that also have to be labeled as HazMat? Not cheap.

          • sherrybb

            Wow, so Todd and the grand jury saw the same info…and you are accusing Todd of lying? Grand jury lying too? Republican DA and Houston PD and Texas Rangers all lying too? Everybody but you nuts eh?

          • Duane Savage

            You don’t know what the grand jury saw, the proceedings are secret.

          • blockthiscnn

            Fallicies galore.

            Grand juries aren’t bastions of impartiality that you paint them to be. Rules of grand juries are heavily loaded in favor of the prosecution.
            https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_juries_in_the_United_States#Rubber_stamp_for_the_prosecution

          • sherrybb

            Many people who are indicted by grand juries are found innocent, absolutely. I wonder how much credit you give to Dems that you hate who have not even been indicted?

          • blockthiscnn

            Again with irrelevancies. Got anything else?

          • blockthiscnn

            No one is “found innocent” in our legal system, genuis.

          • sherrybb

            Well, that’s a great way to not answer the question posed…i learned something from you there. You are absolutely correct- people are merely ” acquitted”. MY bad for using the wrong legal phrase.

            But for the record, if you are going to use ” genius” as a slur, you might consider spelling it properly.

          • grais

            uuh…it was an indictment, not a guilty verdict. You know there’s still a way to go…right?
            smh

          • sherrybb

            now that is hilarious. I must see 100 times a day at least, some RWinger claiming that HRC is going to prison….have yet to hear a RWinger say what you did…and she has not even been indicted.

            SMH too

          • grais

            100 + times a day? Where on earth do you spend your time ???
            Why don’t YOU say what I say…100+ times/day?
            RWers correct LWers and LWers correct RWers, yes? Get busy.

          • sherrybb

            oh my, now there is a requirement for how many comments i read? For the record, it just takes 1 article about HRC and Benghazi and there are often thousands of comments. But thanks for being concerned about what I read.

            I’ll pass on your suggestions.

          • grais

            Someone said there’s a requirement???
            That’s an outrage ! Point him/her out for a shaming !

          • bxarmybrat

            Yet, HRC when she was a Watergate staffer wrote an opinion paper stating that Pres. Nixon should not be allowed access to an attorney if he faced Impeachment, I guess she changed her mind when Billy got impeached.

          • Robert Feldman
          • bxarmybrat

            Not really, she wrote the paper backing her boss’s opinion as stated in the article.

          • Dibaby1979

            They are politically driven to demonize the reporters so PP can get back to the business of making money via murder and the selling of body parts, and get back all their funding. That’s what!

          • blockthiscnn

            You are confusing a grand jury with a jury trial. Rules are much more in favor of the prosecution, hence the quip of a grand jury indicting a ham sandwich.

            https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_juries_in_the_United_States#Rubber_stamp_for_the_prosecution

          • Carolyn#OYSD

            Because, if they had any degree of objectivity (they don’t) their minds might be changed, thus threatening their delusions. Must protect the precious…at all costs.

          • tjp77

            And so what if they did? None of that is a crime.

          • Todd20036

            Yeah, it kind of is.

          • tjp77

            Investigative journalism isn’t a crime.

          • LordStark

            Yeah so heavily edited that the unedited video is available for the public…genius smh

          • fuzzi

            The videos were cleared as authentic:

            But this week, ADF released the results of a new forensic report that debunks this talking point. Coalfire, one of the country’s most trusted digital forensic analysis companies, released a report
            indicating the undercover videos recorded by the Center for Medical
            Progress are “authentic and show no evidence of manipulation.”

            Forensic analysts were granted access to all of the raw investigated
            footage recorded by the Center for Medical Progress and checked it
            against the full length videos posted on the CMP YouTube account. They
            found the only events not depicted in the publicly available videos fell
            into five common categories: commuting, waiting, adjusting recording
            equipment, meals, and restroom breaks. All of the edited content was
            “non-pertinent” to the actual investigation.

          • Kenneth James Abbott

            The full video has already been released. None of the “heavy editing” in any way changed the things that Planned Parenthood said.

            And why you even bother here, I don’t know. Nobody’s foolish enough to buy into your lines, so seriously, why DO you bother?

          • blockthiscnn
          • fuzzi

            He is here because school was cancelled today…

          • Kimberly
          • Paula Flechtner Martin

            Did you even WATCH the full videos? I did. All that was edited was stuff like what was on the menu, who a person was, job descriptions, stuff that really didn’t matter. Oh, why try to explain, because you did NOT watch the full versions.

          • blockthiscnn
          • fuzzi

            They edited out the bathroom breaks: the full videos are also available for viewing. Try again.

          • fishydude

            Actually, the full videos have been released and the conclusions drawn is the same. PP committed multiple felonies.
            When the FBI sends an informant into a suspected terror cell and they then set up a sale of bomb components to the would be terrorists, they don’t indict the informant. But that is what the DA led the GJ to do in this case.

          • Quality

            CMP isn’t law enforcement. They don’t get to commit fraud and attempt to break laws and then say “No no no, we’re just investigating!”

            PP committed no crimes, as evidenced by the fact that nearly a dozen state investigations led by pro-life politicians didn’t result in a single indictment.

          • haydon young

            Yeah, because when a patient pays for it, they call it a PROCEDURE.
            Only when a patient gets financial assistance do they call it an abortion.

            You guys should shut down all hospitals if you follow your logic.

          • Mary Mommy Happy 2017!

            Planned parenthood fight laws to be regulated to hospital standards of care?

            So your logic is flaw.

        • Dwayne Mountain Dew Camacho
        • Finrod Felagund

          You lie like you breathe, idiot leftist troll.

        • Calvin

          How can there be an illegal attempt to buy if there isn’t an illegal attempt to sell?

          • aliceblue

            Are you serious?? I want drugs and THINK that you have them even though you are just sitting on a park bench.. I walk up to you and say “hey man, I need some crack like now, you got any? I have money.” I just attempted to buy something illegal even though you didn’t attempt to sell drugs or even have any drugs.

          • Humanary Stew

            By that logic the cops that run stings to arrest drug dealers should be charged with a crime.

            You don’t think very often do you?

          • Finrod Felagund

            Considering that “aliceblue” posts on hard-left site Raw Story, I’d guess that she’s not allowed to think.

          • Aaron Lynch

            AND… They also forged documents, violated contracts and lied to PP.

          • Catherine Lamb

            Say I come up to the person on the bench and the scenario plays out like you said. The person on the park bench says GTFO crackhead I don’t mess with that. No crime was committed on either side. I could walk down the street screaming, ‘I want to buy heroin, who has heroin?’ I’m not committing a crime, I am exercising my first amendment rights (so long as I’m not committing a disturbance or actually buying heroin).

            Now, say the person on the bench is an undercover cop. I approach the cop on the bench looking to buy crack. The cop says yeah, let’s go see my friend down the way, he has a stash. I accompany the cop to his ‘friend’ and it happens to be a police sting. I get arrested. That is an attempt to buy something illegal. The regular guy on the bench doesn’t try to convince me he can sell me crack so it’s not a serious attempt at a transaction. I’m not doing anything illegal. In the second scenario I’ve made a concrete plan with another person in a serious attempt to buy drugs. That’s a crime.

            If you misrepresent yourself to me with falsified documents and approach me (as the “investigative journalists” approached PP) thinking you are buying something illegal (which you aren’t) and then you accuse me publicly of doing something illegal and I haven’t, then your own crimes come to light during an investigation into your accusation, well… If there are consequences to be faced, as the Grand Jury decided there may be in this case, they have to face them.

          • Robert Feldman

            “He said that after the meeting with Planned Parenthood officials in Houston in April, Mr. Daleiden sent an email to them in June offering to buy fetal tissue for $1,600 per sample. Planned Parenthood never responded to the offer, Mr. Schaffer said.”

        • tjp77

          Yes, investigative journalism is a crime. Everyone knows that. Totally.

        • Squirrel! SMOD Conductor

          I am not biased toward the whole idea of PP. I am biased against the reality of PP. Just gross.

        • SouthTexas

          Then indict every cop that’s been involved in an undercover drug deal.

          • LordStark

            And all the actors in To Catch A Predator

          • Quality

            CMP is not law enforcement.

          • SouthTexas

            The reference was to the undercover activity being indictable, not whether they were LE or not.

          • Quality

            Yeah, the point is that there are actions that LE can perform legally, that private citizens cannot.

          • SouthTexas

            So the laws passed to protect whistle blowers were for what reason?
            Private citizens can bring proof of wrong doing/illegal activity to the forefront and they are protected. If LE were the only ones that could do this, there would be no reason for additional laws.

          • Quality

            Whistleblowers need protection because they could face repercussions for their actions, like getting fired by their employer.

            CMP isn’t a whistleblower. They weren’t going to face any punishment by Planned Parenthood if they had revealed something. They didn’t find any wrong-doing or illegal activity, and they broke the law while attempting to do so.

          • SouthTexas

            I disagree, selling body parts is illegal but you seem to have no problem with it.

          • Quality

            They didn’t sell any body parts. They donate tissue and can receive compensation for the costs incurred for storage and transportation. That’s completely legal, but somehow gets left out of the conversation by CMP and their supporters *every time*.

          • SouthTexas

            If everything is so above board, then put the videos on the evening news.
            That won’t happen will it?

            PP is selling aborted babies, whole and in pieces, and you’re selling lies to support it.

            Troll.

          • Quality

            The videos were on the evening news. It was a huge story for a while.

            PP didn’t sell any parts, and that’s why nearly a dozen investigations led by pro-life politicians haven’t resulted in even one indictment against PP. You got tricked by CMP. Don’t feel too bad – a lot of pro-life people did.

          • SouthTexas

            No they weren’t, again you try and sell lies.

            And then the prosecutor is on the board of PP. What? No bias or conflict of interest there.

          • Quality

            Yes, they were. They were everywhere for a while. It was a huge story.

            The DA isn’t on the board of PP. One of the many ADAs (who had zero involvement in this case) is. Looks like you got fooled by pro-life “news” sources AGAIN.

          • SouthTexas

            No, you are the one fooled. But then again, you have no problem with killing the unborn, so maybe not. Just another paid shill.

          • Quality

            How did I get fooled?

            You thought the DA was on the board of PP. She’s not. One of the ADAs in Harris County (one of 300) who had nothing to do with this case is.

          • TBP100

            The “prosecutor” isn’t on the board of PP. One staff lawyer out of, I think, 300, is on the board of PP. She disclosed her affiliation at the beginning of the process and didn’t have anything to do with the case.

            If you have hundreds of lawyers on staff, sometimes one of them is going to have some kind of association with a party involved in a legal action: they might be friends, or related, or sit on a board, as in this case. As long as they disclose this, and are recused from the case in question, it’s not a problem. In fact, this sort of thing happens all the time, and there’s nothing sinister about it.

          • SouthTexas

            I see it as a problem, up to and including the charges against the whistle blowers. You may think it’s fine, I don’t.

        • Ronald Arnce

          whose laws did pp not break Thou shalt not kill is a law

        • bxarmybrat

          It’s a good thing Mike Wallace is dead otherwise you would be pushing for his and the entire “60 minutes” crew’s prosecution.

        • Dibaby1979

          Planned Parenthood did break the law, selling body parts for profit is illegal and it was shown in this video that they do this. So you’re going to say the reporters should be indicted for trying to buy the body parts, but PP shouldn’t be indicted for selling them? These reporters never made a single purchase but PP has made millions on these sales. This is dirty politics in a democratic run city. Bunch of criminals at the helm.

          • Quality

            The videos show PP talking about compensation for their costs incurred in the process of tissue donation. *This is completely legal*.

          • Catherine Lamb

            PP was not selling body parts in any way, especially not in the way you’re trying to paint it. Those “body parts” or “aborted babies” or “fetal tissue” whatever you want to call it was being donated for scientific research, just as if one chose to donate their body to science after death. The donation can not occur without the consent of the mother, so it’s not like PP can just do whatever they want with the product of an abortion (depending on the age of the fetus could result in different types of tissue donated). Incidental costs like shipping and handling are reasonable to recover for PP. PP was cleared of any wrongdoing.

        • Ralph Trout

          liberals have used false id for a long time. 60 mins and mike wallace and dan rather….to investigate fraud and such…but then those were liberals and libs are above the law when they’re going after others…and how Orwellian…indicted for trying to buy organ parts the other party says they don’t sell….but as I said earlier…,PP here is scared out of their wits….on the STAND UNDER OATH…..I can’t wait for that trial….

      • sherrybb

        Yeah, Republican DA just itching to cover for PP eh?

        • Ham ☑ – Only ✝Christ Matters

          Yes, because RINOs don’t exist, eh?

          • sherrybb

            and the Texas Rangers and the Houston PD? Damn, you guys are just such victims all the time, eh?

          • Ham ☑ – Only ✝Christ Matters

            Yeah, so I actually do research instead of just posting vapid drivel like some others, and found that in fact the Republican DA you mentioned, her name is Devon Anderson btw, has been embroiled in past scandals, in fact, using grand juries. But don’t take my word for it, check it:

            http://bigjollypolitics.com/will-devon-anderson-vote-patricia-trisha-pollard/

            Repuke or not, this thing stinks even worse now. Also, unlike Demonrats, I don’t just accept some one as good because they register with the same political party. That’s political sycophancy, the only thing Demonrats know.

          • sherrybb

            You submitted an OPINION piece about another politician and think you proved….what? nothing, not a single thing. The DA was mentioned in 1 sentence in that opinion piece, 1 sentence. What about the Houston PD and the Texas Rangers? this was not investigated by the DA you know?

          • blockthiscnn

            Yeah, it’s not like LE would investigate something at the request of the DA.

          • sherrybb

            ah you poor little victims. I bet you must be so upset at the constant investigations of all things Clinton. oh wait, i bet you are not.

          • blockthiscnn

            The latest Clinton shenanigans are irrelevant to this particular indictment.

          • sherrybb

            I actually agree with you but the hypocrisy is rather obvious.

          • blockthiscnn

            I doubt you agree with me. That’s Clinton shenanigans, as in Hillary is a lying POS. When I handled classified materials, if I did half the things she’s done I’d still be in Leavenworth right now. But I shouldn’t speak of my betters that way.

            Still irrelevant to this indictment.

        • blockthiscnn
          • sherrybb

            Funny how a staff member who is NOT involved in any aspect of the investigation concerns you so much. Almost like you are looking for excuses.

      • Ralph Martin

        Not out of line, just crazy

      • oldman66

        The state of Georgia examined Planned Parenthood, and found them not guilty. But I guess Georgia is a hotbed of liberalism.

      • Mark

        I guess you saw more information than the grand jury did?

    • Perso Nasplit

      The video makers are charged with buying organs….even though they only tried to get information about buying them….and planned butcherhood is innocent after ACTUALLY selling organs in mass quantities.

      The ONLY good thing about this will be the discovery phase of the trial.

  • cirby

    “Even a modestly competent district attorney can get a grand jury to indict a ham sandwich.”
    – Sol Wachtler

    • DeplorableMessMan ✔ JesseMessy

      …Yep & depressingly, Houston ain’t much different from Baltimore nowadays.
      …Among Matt Schwartz’s tweets: “Daleiden also indicted on charge of “Purchase and Sale of Human Organs,” presumably for trying to get Planned Parenthood to sell tissue.”
      …To which I say: Then WhereTF are the charges to PP for conspiring to sell those same body parts???

      • Todd20036

        They sell the aborted fetuses for research and get reimbursed for the cost of providing/storing them.

        No more, and no less.

        Those tissues are important in medical experiments. Many drugs you use exist because of research based on such tissues.

        • sherrybb

          Todd…..these folks will not believe anything except their predetermined view. Now they are attacking the Texas Rangers, the Houston PD and the Republican DA..all for covering up for PP? If it wasn’t so dang pathetic, it’d be funny.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            sherrybb Todd20036 • 2 hours ago:

            “Todd…..these folks will not believe anything except their predetermined view. Now they are attacking the Texas Rangers, the Houston PD and the Republican DA..all for covering up for PP? If it wasn’t so dang pathetic, it’d be funny.”

            Translation: These bigoted racists won’t let us impose our Communist Common Sense on them. So they’re stubborn and myopic. Unlike the Brights and Special Snowflake children that conform to the Cult of (fake, using only OPM) Altruism.

          • DeplorableMessMan ✔ JesseMessy

            The “Republican” DA? How do you know the DA is a Repub…”because #Texas”? The DA of that county is Donna Gordon Kaspar, whose website says nothing about her party-affiliation AND whose Wikipedia-page…Oh wait, she doesn’t have a Wikipedia-page.

          • sherrybb

            google is your friend. there are numerous sources confirming this. try it.

          • DeplorableMessMan ✔ JesseMessy

            …I just said, STUPID, that google can’t find Donna Gordon Kaspar’s party-affiliation. Damn right google is your friend, so YOU go google-up a link to show us whether she’s a Repub.

          • sherrybb

            Tell you what? you should probably avoid calling someone else stupid when you don’t even have the right DA. I would tell you who it is, but why? A simple google of Harris County DA will bring up your right name and a couple of googles & you can discover that yes, the DA involved in THIS decision is indeed a Republican.

          • DeplorableMessMan ✔ JesseMessy

            Okay, I stand corrected that Devon Anderson is the Repub-DA of the county which has Houston as its county-seat…But you tell us, now, was the grand-jury convened by the county DA or by the city? Such things work differently state-by-state, y’know, so have you got a link to what Devon Anderson has (if anything substantive) to do with this indictment?

          • sherrybb

            Because you were classy enough ( i mean that sincerely) to admit you were wrong, am gonna give you some links…1 when the story first came out and the DA spoke about it, and 1 after the Grand jury decided. The DA simply decides if a grand jury should be convened…she gave over the investigation to the Texas Rangers and the Houston PD, gathered all the info and presented it to the grand jury. They decided.

            I have a minor vision problem and sometimes i will add an extra letter or miss a , to my links and they don’t work. sorry….but honestly, you can just do a simple google….Devon Anderson convened a grand jury to investigate PP and you’ll get lots….at least i did.

            newnownext.com?grand-jury-investigating-planned-parenthood-indicts-video-maker

            http://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/houston-texas-/houston/article/Harris-DA-to-investigate

            that latter one was in the Houston Chronicle on August 5th if my link is off.

          • DeplorableMessMan ✔ JesseMessy

            ..I can’t open the 2nd link (and I don’t see where the 1st one links to the proper story)…But if you’re right, then it proves that Devon Anderson doesn’t belong in the life-affirming Repub party… sorta like Trump.

          • sherrybb

            or it proves that she did not allow her personal beliefs to cloud the investigation. She had to look at the law, not whether or not abortions are legal or not, or appropriate or not. Am guessing she sides with Pro Lifers, but the evidence did not support what the Pro Lifers claimed. All of that of course is pure speculation and opinion.

            I see we agree about trump. 🙂

          • DeplorableMessMan ✔ JesseMessy

            Let’s “agree to disagree” & call it a day, okay Sherry?

          • sherrybb

            deal! Have a good one.

          • DeplorableMessMan ✔ JesseMessy

            You too, Sherry.

        • objectivefactsmatter

          What happened to regulated capitalism when there is a clear public interest at stake?

          “Many drugs you use exist because of research based on such tissues.”

          List please.

          • Jitterbits

            Is your Google broken?
            Most vaccines, including Polio, hepatitis A, German measles, chicken pox and rabies were developed with fetal tissue.
            “German measles, also known as rubella, “caused 5,000 spontaneous abortions a year prior to the vaccine,” said Dr. Paul Offit, an infectious-disease specialist at Children’s Hospital of Philadelphia. “We wouldn’t have saved all those lives had it not been for those cells.””
            http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/medical-researchers-say-fetal-tissue-remains-essential/

          • objectivefactsmatter

            From infants?

            “We wouldn’t have saved all those lives had it not been for those cells.””

            Bullshit.

            Here’s something closer to truth:

            “If researchers are unable to work with fetal tissue, there is a huge list of diseases for which researchers would move much more slowly, rather than quickly, to find their cause and how they can be cured,” Stanford University spokeswoman Lisa Lapin said in an email.

            Oh, more slowly. I see. So more tissue means more testing. Right. So just say that.

            Yeah, but they have other sources for tissue and they don’t need to harvest it from infants.

            When you’re honest we can have honest debates about policies and morality and so forth. But it seems you are incapable.

          • Francisco Scaramanga

            Lisa Lapin’s quote represents a person careful enough to avoid making absolute statements. It’s silly to say with complete certainty that fetal tissue is the only way to cure certain diseases, but it’s legitimate to say use of such tissue is clearly the fastest current way to discover cures. So, you have a problem with fetal tissue research? Why? Women aren’t being lured to PP to have their fetuses harvested; abortions will happen regardless of whether or not fetal tissue research takes place. Finally, the tissue is being harvested from aborted (meaning DEAD) fetuses that would’ve been thrown in the trash anyway. So what’s your SPECIFIC problem with fetal tissue research? If you’re simply adamantly against abortion, just say that. Your current sanctimony warrants little more than an eyeroll. The tissues of aborted fetuses are helping society (via providing new medical treatments) instead of decomposing in a landfill. Sounds good to me!

          • objectivefactsmatter

            “…but it’s legitimate to say use of such tissue is clearly the fastest current way to discover cures. ”

            No it’s not. In some cases it might be. Don’t exaggerate.

            “So, you have a problem with fetal tissue research?”

            I have a problem with people that are cavalier about life and lives that they consider to be merely material property.

            “Women aren’t being lured to PP to have their fetuses harvested; abortions will happen regardless of whether or not fetal tissue research takes place.”

            They are being lured. By your cult.

            “Finally, the tissue is being harvested from aborted (meaning DEAD) fetuses that would’ve been thrown in the trash anyway. ”

            The problem is that it creates yet another motive for your cult to continue telling women how smart and compassionate it is to “donate tissue” as just another reason to go ahead and kill their babies while remaining in denial about what’s in reality is happening. It should be regulated much better than it is. The whole affair is ridiculous and part of how you justify baby killing operations with your circular logic.

            “So what’s your SPECIFIC problem with fetal tissue research?”

            Conflict of interests.

            “If you’re simply adamantly against abortion, just say that. Your current sanctimony warrants little more than an eyeroll.”

            Because you’re a moron that rolls out straw men before even getting answers to your questions.

            “The tissues of aborted fetuses are helping society (via providing new medical treatments) instead of decomposing in a landfill. Sounds good to me!”

            That’s mendacious accounting. We have to assume that everything else you say is true. It is generally isn’t.

          • Francisco Scaramanga

            “No it’s not. In some cases it might be. Don’t exaggerate.”

            The scientists in the article agree with me. Where are the scientists who agree with you? My point stands.

            “They are being lured. By your cult.”

            Lol…show some proof.

            “The problem is that it creates yet another motive for your cult…”

            I was pro-choice before I ever knew about tissue research. I’d still be pro-choice if such research was banned tomorrow. A woman’s ownership of her uterus is the only motive I need :).

            “That’s mendacious accounting. We have to assume that everything else you say is true.”

            No strawmen here; my post was based on reading many of yours other pro-birthers’ posts. Btw, you already conceded it was true that fetal tissue research has led to treatments for various diseases. So I’ll assume the above quote is early onset dementia. No worries 🙂

          • objectivefactsmatter

            >”They are being lured. By your cult.”

            “Lol…show some proof.”

            The media is full of people talking about the ecstasy of “liberation” from pregnancy.

            “No strawmen here; my post was based on reading many of yours other pro-birthers’ posts.’

            Right. You just conceded.

            “Btw, you already conceded it was true that fetal tissue research has led to treatments for various diseases. So I’ll assume the above quote is early onset dementia. No worries :)”

            I’m sure we could find some use for your tissue if you just let us know when we can pick up the cadaver. ASAP.

            Thanks. You won’t mind rushing that delivery, you know, for the greater good of mankind and all.

          • Francisco Scaramanga

            “The media is full of people talking about the ecstasy of “liberation” from pregnancy.”

            Show some proof of a group-level effort on the part of pro-choicers to lure women into getting abortions. If the media is full of evidence, it should be easy. Good luck 🙂

          • objectivefactsmatter

            It’s a ritual of your cult.

          • Francisco Scaramanga

            So post the proof then 🙂

          • objectivefactsmatter

            “The scientists in the article agree with me. Where are the scientists who agree with you? My point stands.”

            Moron,

            If you want to invoke “scientists” just quote some publication instead of trying to coopt “science.”

          • Francisco Scaramanga

            “If you want to invoke “scientists” just quote some publication…”

            Okay :):

            “Limiting the use of fetal tissue for research will slow progress for new treatments and potential cures.”

            – Dr. Ann Bonham, Chief Scientific Officer of the Association of American Medical Colleges

            https://www.aamc.org/newsroom/reporter/november2015/448886/fetal-tissue.html

            ******

            That was easy. Now where are the scientists who agree with you? 🙂

          • objectivefactsmatter

            I already said that. More tissue means more testing and more options

            I said don’t embellish. It *might* slow progress. Might. Progress is not predictably linear like the cosmological constants.

          • Francisco Scaramanga

            I’m still waiting on those scientists who agree with you. Where are your quotes? I provided mine 🙂

          • Jitterbits

            Fetuses are not infants. The scientific community sees things differently than you and I’m going to defer to them in this case, rather than “random angry internet guy”. While you are correct that different means available for testing have been developed, that doesn’t remove the value of these cells, nor does it negate the good that has come from medical advances already made nearly a century ago. Your dismissal of my ability to conduct a rational debate is especially ironic, considering your rebuttal was the equivalent of putting your fingers in your ears and humming.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            “The scientific community sees things differently…”

            Another mentally retarded Social Justice Warrior–>> “Jitterbits”

            There are no scientific disputes regarding fetuses and children. There are legal and moral disputes with amoral / immoral individuals like you.

          • http://wandererswaysite.wordpress.com Wanderer

            Good on you for engaging these freaks. Don’t know where so many came from but I haven’t seen so much sewage since I accidentally clicked on a HuffPost link.

            But as you can see, their argument quickly circles around to lies and arrogance and calling you stupid. Which is just one reason why they aren’t worth talking to.

          • Francisco Scaramanga

            Treatments for: Hepatitis A, German Measles (i.e., Rubella), Chicken Pox, Rabies, Ebola, and the list goes on.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            Francisco Scaramanga 21 minutes ago:

            “Treatments for: Hepatitis A, German Measles (i.e., Rubella), Chicken Pox, Rabies, Ebola, and the list goes on.”

            We already covered this. You don’t need fetal tissue. You want fetal tissue.

        • Nan

          Balderdash. Adult stem cell tissues, yes. Fetal tissues, no.

          ETA, even if it were true, the end doesn’t justify the means when you’re killing and monetizing people.

          • aliceblue

            Fetal, yes. Here is a very abbreviated overview. See the link for actual laws.
            “Many states restrict research on aborted fetuses or embryos, but research is often permitted with consent of the patient. Almost half of the states also restrict the sale of fetuses or embryos. Louisiana specifically prohibits research on in vitro fertilized (IVF) embryos. Illinois and Michigan also prohibit research on live embryos.”
            http://www.ncsl.org/research/health/embryonic-and-fetal-research-laws.aspx

          • Francisco Scaramanga

            In other words, you’ve conceded PP does nothing illegal and your outrage is simply due to your aversion to abortion. Newsflash: a ban on fetal tissue research won’t end abortion, despite your unrealistic hopes.

          • http://www.almarquardt.com/ almarquardt

            Reminds me of an epidode of Babylon 5 called “Deathwalker” where a woman scientist developed a drug that gave eternal life.

            The cost: One person had to die to develop one dose of the drug.

            Seems to me there was a lot of truth to that episode, because we’re doing it not — but without the guarantee that one baby’s death will save or extend one person’s life.

        • DeplorableMessMan ✔ JesseMessy

          Thanks for proving my point: They SELL aborted fetuses, you just said…NOT that they donate aborted baby-tissue but that they SELL it. To which I repeat: Why isn’t PP itself being charged with “Purchase and SALE of Human Organs”?

      • ThatBaldGuy

        They didn’t. He offered to purchase them. That in itself is a crime. PP never responded to his offer, so committed no crime.

        • DeplorableMessMan ✔ JesseMessy

          Mm-hmm, PP never responded (other than with that quip about “wow I could buy a Lamborghini with the money from this sale”). And by the way, see my reply just upthread to Todd20036 (who said that PP regularly sells fetal-tissue to medical researchers, “SELL” being the operative word for why PP should be under investigation anyway.

    • Six Cents

      OOps… didn’t mean to step on you post…

  • lCOYAR

    Planned Parenthood needs to be DESTROYED permanently, and ALL abortionists tried for murder.

    • Dan Summers

      Well maybe is if the Pro Forced Birth Crowd pay the increase in taxes that will come with all those forced births. And the many problems that those children and families will now have. You are willing to try people for murder when you are the one forcing them to carry a fetus and give birth to it and then care for it until it is an adult….but you forcing YOUR personal beliefs and walking away from them is okay?
      If you are against abortion, don’t get one!
      Funny how Abortions are on the ride in the American South, the most religiously conservative part of the country. Maybe if there was real Sexual Education in Schools(Just teaching abstinence does not count), more focus on education, and the truth told about contraceptives there would not be so many abortions.
      Planned Parenthood does a lot of other things than just Abortions. only about 3% of their resources are for Abortion. You would be eliminating the only source some communities have for reporductive and womens health services. That won’t help lower abortions at all.

      • http://www.almarquardt.com/ almarquardt

        Irrelevant.

        I want you to answer me one question:

        At what point does that fetus gain its humanity and protection by law granted to everyone else in this country?

        • Todd20036

          Um, that is totally relevant. That’s the whole freaking point. The pro-fetus crowd wants nothing to do with the baby once it’s born. They won’t pay for it to be raised, sheltered, fed, educated, etc.

          In fact, you want to cut welfare, SNAP, Obamacare, etc.

          The big deal is that all you care about is the fetus. That’s why you come off as anti-woman. You care nothing for the woman, or even for the baby.

          All you care about is the fetus. Once it’s born, tough luck

          • Meowbius

            You won’t understand responsibility if it bit you in our EBT card

          • Todd20036

            I’m a millionaire.

            You suggesting that you won’t have anything to do with the baby you force to be born because, well, just because.

            That sums it up, right?

          • Meowbius

            Did you find a second to read a post you are replying to? looks like you are answering to the voices in your head.

          • Todd20036

            I read the post, and you never answered the question. You think it’s ok to totally ignore (as in not pay for) any expenses the baby incurred because you force it to be born?

            The mother wanted to end the pregnancy because she couldn’t afford the child.

            You forced it to be born.

            So you should reimburse the mother.

            But you seem to have some excuse to ignore the mother and baby entirely. So what is that excuse?

          • Meowbius

            1. I did not force anyone, stop trolling. Civilized countries should NOT encourage late-term abortions to sell organs.
            2. There is always an adoption option, in case you did not know.
            3. Normal people have kids when they are ready to provide. This is called responsibility.

          • Todd20036

            1) Condoms break. Fathers run. S*** happens.
            2) Right, because there is no such thing as a backlog of children in orphanages or foster care. And again, YOU won’t take responsibility. YOU need to take care of the child you force to be born.
            3) You want to close PP. You want to end all abortion rights.

            You WANT to force mothers to have children, regardless of their finances (or even physical capabilities) but are completely unwilling to take any responsibility for the babies you force to be born.

          • http://www.almarquardt.com/ almarquardt

            Okay. Have you asked any of those children in orphanages and foster care and asked them if they would have preferred to be aborted?

          • aliceblue

            I don’t know about kids but I’ve know of adults who went through some horrible abuse as children, many in foster care, who have said that they wished that their mother had aborted them.

          • blockthiscnn

            I wouldn’t accept his false premise.

          • http://www.almarquardt.com/ almarquardt

            It’s hard not to, but mostly it makes me sad and frustrated that they refuse to acknowledge what abortion does, and not only to the fetus, but to the woman — physically and emotionally.

          • makingcomments

            95% of women say that they do not regret their abortions.

            Women can make their own decisions. You are treating them like little children who need to be protected because they might “regret” their decision. You know what? People make decisions all day and night, but they aren’t questioned like children about those decisions.

            Your internalized misogyny is showing.

          • http://www.almarquardt.com/ almarquardt

            Where did you get that number? And please provide a source other than Planned Parenthood.

          • makingcomments

            http://time.com/3956781/women-abortion-regret-reproductive-health/

            “Ninety-five percent of women who have had abortions do not regret the decision to terminate their pregnancies, according to a study published last week in the multidisciplinary academic journal PLOS ONE.”

            Here is the cited study:

            http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0128832#sec013

          • makingcomments

            I replied to this already but it didn’t come across for some reason.

            http://time.com/3956781/women-abortion-regret-reproductive-health/

            “Ninety-five percent of women who have had abortions do not regret the decision to terminate their pregnancies, according to a study published last week in the multidisciplinary academic journal PLOS ONE.”

            Here is the link to the journal:
            http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0128832#sec013

          • http://www.almarquardt.com/ almarquardt

            It came through the first time. Sometimes you have to reload the page in order for links to show up.

          • makingcomments

            So what do you have to say?

          • http://www.almarquardt.com/ almarquardt

            I haven’t read it, yet. It’s a bit lengthy, so I’m waiting until I have more time to disseminate it.

          • grais

            “And again, YOU won’t take responsibility. YOU need to take care of the child you force to be born.”

            You’re out of your mind. Really.

          • blockthiscnn

            Foster care, the misunderstood go-to argument of pro deathists nationwide.

            There are not massive numbers of kids in foster care waiting to be adopted. The system is set up to attempt to bring families back together. Most kids in foster care don’t get adopted, they are either reunited with family or age out of the system.

            Source: My state adoption and fostering license class.

          • makingcomments

            I just did a search in Texas, and there are over 800 children waiting to be adopted. That is a pretty big number to me.

          • mudskipper5

            “1. I did not force anyone, stop trolling. Civilized countries should NOT encourage late-term abortions to sell organs.”

            “Civilized” countries have ready access to contraceptives, effective sex education in all schools, and inexpensive health care to help prevent unwanted pregnancies. The US is still playing catch-up there. PP is important to help those that fall through the cracks.

            “2. There is always an adoption option, in case you did not know.”

            And you will be covering the very expensive costs of pre-natal care and delivery? Actually, as a tax-payer, you will, if the mother can’t pay the cost, which is highly likely.

            “3. Normal people have kids when they are ready to provide.”

            Normal people live in the real world and have sex. Life happens and abortion is a legal medical process to help if sex results in an unwanted pregnancy. You are well within your rights to not like abortion, but you can only speak for yourself. You cannot force that upon anyone else. Mind your own business.

          • Kimberly

            The adopting parents pay all the of the medical costs. They often pay for living expenses throughout the pregnancy. For every baby put up for adoption there are 46 families wanting to adopt. There will never be a shortage of families willing to adopt an unwanted baby. There is never any justification for killing the baby. And if abortion is the answer to preventing children from living in poverty should we go into the ghettos and just start picking kids off? You know. To save them from their misery.

          • mudskipper5

            Only if adoptive parents are found during the pregnancy. Contrary to what you have claimed, this is not always the case but you are welcome to post evidence to prove me wrong.

            That said, there are physical health costs, changes and threats to a woman’s body, that can’t be balanced by writing a check. It wouldn’t matter if pregnancy and childbirth cost nothing. You still have no say in whether or not a woman can have an abortion. You can only speak for yourself. Mind your own business.

          • Kimberly

            Statistically there are 46 potential adopting parents for every 1 baby available for adoption. Many people are waiting lists for years before a baby becomes available. You want to talk about the effect of pregnancy on a woman’s body? A perfectly natural process that the body was designed to do? Take a gander at what the unnatural act of abortion does to a woman. http://www.deveber.org/drupal/summary-womens-health-after-abortion

          • mudskipper5

            1. You still aren’t providing evidence for your numbers. Not only that, people are often looking for healthy normal (and often white) babies, not those of color or with health issues. That is the real reason for the wait.

            2. That piece of nonsense you linked (a pro-birth site) makes unjustified claims that fall under the ‘correlation does not imply causation’. It is also called an “interventionist fallacy” and indicates an illogical argument. Check “Cautionary Note” on page 885. https://www.apa.org/pubs/journals/features/amp-64-9-863.pdf

            3. Natural abortions happen naturally all the time. We just call them “miscarriages”. Induced abortions are the same process… much better than the way abortions used to be done before they were legalized. You want to know what a hanger can do to a woman’s insides?

            4. Your unsupported argument about “abortion damage” aside, you haven’t actually demonstrated that pregnancy (for all of it being a “natural process”) is not harmful to a woman’s body. It is. Aside from the risk of death, you also have pregnancy complications, pre-clampsia, eclampsia and gestational diabetes, not to mention post-partum depression. If long-term health is taken into consideration, pregnancy is also associated negatively with physical health, and that negative relationship increases as parity number increases. This is a well-established statistical relationship recognized in medical and social fields, which is why family planning and contraceptives are encouraged. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2565801/

            Just stop it. You are welcome to your own opinions, even those based off of false information. But stop trying to make others live based upon your own misconceptions. You don’t have that right.

          • Kimberly

            I see that you are so entrenched in your love of abortion that you hit all of the buzz words and rhetoric. I will not waste my time responding with someone with such a thirst for the death of babies. People like you are depraved lunatics.

          • mudskipper5

            LOL! Great projection! And when a person resorts to ad hominem attacks and appeals to emotion (both fallacious tactics), I know that you have nothing more to offer in support of your position. Thanks for playing.

          • makingcomments

            Nobody who is pro choice is pro abortion. Most of us are pro birth control. But we also believe that abortion should be an option as well.

            Are you pro birth control? Or are you one of those people who just believes that people shouldn’t have sex ever?

          • Kimberly

            Pro-abortion and pro-choice are exactly the same thing. Pro-abort Is just an honest description. Choice is a word used to disquise what you support.

          • makingcomments

            Of course you didn’t answer my question.

          • Kimberly

            And ito compare a miscarriage to an abortion is reprehensible. I dare you to tell a grieving mother that her loss is no different than a mother that chose to kill her baby. You are twisted.

          • makingcomments

            Yes, because they don’t want children, they want BABIES. Because children who have been failed by the system have emotional needs, and they just want a fresh new baby.

            I have met with women who wanted an abortion but couldn’t get it and then said, “Well, I can’t give the baby up for adoption because I don’t want strangers raising my kids so I will just have the kid.” Do you think she is a good mother? Do you think that kid has a chance at a good life? You can’t expect everyone to live according to YOUR morals. That’s unrealistic and quite arrogant.

          • Kimberly

            Good thing that the people fighting for the abolishment of slavery didn’t mind their own business. Sorry but the murder of a fellow human being is everybody’s business.

          • makingcomments

            The kinds of people who fought to abolish slavery were not conservatives, they were liberals. So don’t try to act like you are in the same camp as they are.

          • Kimberly

            Wow you need to read history book. The abolishionists were republicans.

          • makingcomments

            No, YOU need to read a history book. The Republican Party and the Democratic Party have switched over time. Same concepts, though. The Republican Party is NOTHING today like the one during the Civil War.

            Are you trying to tell me that people who were trying to fight slavery were conservatives, then?

          • Kimberly

            Haha yeah I have heard that “myth” about the parties switching. Dems are ashamed of their past and rightly so so they came up with that joke about the parties switching sides. Good try though. Obviously the abolishionists were conservative. Our party is all for personal freedom. It is your side the wants government running our lives. Just like you keep blacks today on the democrat plantation. God forbid a black person steps off and thinks for themsleves. They will be metaphorically lynched and called Uncle Tom etc.

          • makingcomments

            Hey genius –

            If your claim were true, then all the Democrats would live in the south and all the Republicans would live in the Northeast and West Coast. Ooh, except they don’t…..

          • Kimberly

            Ok, tell yourself what ever you need to.

          • makingcomments

            So, let me establish that your point is that, since the Republican party hasn’t changed in the last few hundred years, that all the Republicans who were living in the NE and West Coast moved to the South, and all the Southern democrats moved to the NE and the West Coast?

            That is what you are saying. I am saying that rather than everybody moving to opposite parts of the country, the parties evolved into different forms of what they were before. And I am not alone.

            So, YOU go ahead and tell yourself whatever you need to.

          • Quality

            Abolitionists were progressives. Those who supported slavery were conservative – in favor of preserving the status quo.

          • Nan

            Pregnancy is the typical result of sex. Those who don’t want children shouldn’t have sex. It doesn’t matter if abortion is legal, it’s still immoral killing.

          • makingcomments

            Seriously? So sex to you is just a means for procreation? I feel sad for you because you don’t know all the joys of sex and intimacy.

          • grais

            “So you should reimburse the mother.”

            You’re out of your mind.

          • Kimberly

            Should firefighters be financially responsible for the people they save? Should they have to buy a new house because they went in a rescued the people in the fire? Makes as much sense as saying someone should be financially responsible for the lives of the babies they save.

          • http://www.almarquardt.com/ almarquardt

            Prove that all people care about is the baby is born and nothing else. Your words have no basis in reality. It’s all strawman arguments.

            Plus you haven’t answered my question. Why does a baby in a woman’s womb have less value than a human being who’s been born?

          • Todd20036

            No one on this site is willing to pay for the raising of the children you force to be born. No one is even willing to acknowledge the responsibility.

            No one will pay higher taxes, etc.

          • http://www.almarquardt.com/ almarquardt

            You don’t know that! There are thousands of people looking to adopt. There are thousands of churches and other charities (that many of us donate to) who help women in need.

            And you STILL have not answered my question.

            How is an “unwanted” baby any less human or worthy of protection than a “wanted” one?

          • Todd20036

            No, you made the mother have the child. YOU, not someone else, but YOU should pay for the upkeep of that child.

            You are like an absent father. One night of pleasure, then run.

            You made this child by trying to close PP, YOU pay for it.

            It’s really not a difficult concept.

            I thought you goobs were all about being responsible

          • http://www.almarquardt.com/ almarquardt

            All your bloviating does not answer my question.

            Until you do, I’m done with you.

          • sherrybb

            We have answered…you just don’t like the answers. Are you demanding that a fetus be charged for health insurance? that they get a birth certificate? that they qualify for welfare, for tax benefits? Are you seriously not aware that some of these abortions are for wanted children? In some cases, you want the fetus to have MORE rights than the birth mother.

          • http://www.almarquardt.com/ almarquardt

            Not more rights. Equal rights.

          • sherrybb

            Of course it’s more. The woman is being forced to bear a child that may kill her, or that she does not want.

            And like it or not, equality starts at birth, not before.

          • grais

            “It’s really not a difficult concept.”

            It’s sheer lunacy.

          • Deplorable AMERICAN™✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Just report all this asshole’s replies. Or flag them. Get his stupid retorts off the page.

          • grais

            “No one on this site is willing to pay for the raising of the children you force to be born.”

            I’m deadly serious. You’re out of your friggin’ mind.

          • Deplorable AMERICAN™✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            ARE WE FORCING THEM TO HAVE SEX TOO, YOU STUPID MORON?

          • mudskipper5

            “ARE WE FORCING THEM TO HAVE SEX TOO, YOU STUPID MORON?”

            And that, right there, is the real issue. Those against abortion are trying to control reproductive and sexual behavior. Punishment for not following their (usually religious) behavioral rules is forcing you to carry the resulting fetus and give birth. That is why people who are anti-abortion usually don’t support social programs for the poor, including impoverished children. They only care while it is in the womb, causing further pain and hardship to the woman who sinned and had sex when she shouldn’t have.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            “And that, right there, is the real issue. Those against abortion are trying to control reproductive and sexual behavior. ”

            You misspelled personal accountability.

          • Nan

            It’s a baby and you’re wrong; pro-life people support life from birth to natural death by supporting mothers and children through donations to non-profits that provide counseling, medical treatment, housing, supplies, etc. so she can finish school or work and support her child.

          • mudskipper5

            In the womb, it’s a fetus. You can call it a baby to appeal to emotion, but that is a fallacious argument.

            And I am sure there are pro-birthers out there who care about what happens after birth but you are wrong to suggest this is a general fact. The majority of pro-birthers are Republicans/conservatives who do not support the social programs necessary to support the children of poor single women or poor families in general. Those programs support all in need, not just a certain few.

          • Kimberly

            Biology forces them to be born. We just want to stop the mothers from murdering them.

          • mudskipper5

            “Why does a baby in a woman’s womb have less value than a human being who’s been born?”

            Because it is potential life, not living, breathing actual life. It is part of the life of the mother, not a life on its own. As long as it is dependent upon that mother’s body to survive and can’t live outside the mother’s womb, it belongs to that woman’s body and she can do what she wants with it.

            When it can be born and live outside of that mother’s body, it is a person of equal value and carries the same rights as she does.

          • http://www.almarquardt.com/ almarquardt

            The baby is also a part of the life of the mother outside the womb. It cannot survive without her. Does that mean we can kill any child until it can survive on its own such as feeding itself? What age is that, exactly?

            Also “potential life” is not a scientifically proven term. It’s an opinion.

          • mudskipper5

            “The baby is also a part of the life of the mother outside the womb. It cannot survive without her.”

            That’s absurd. Once born, a baby can be cared for by anyone, which is what makes adoption possible in the first place.

            Careful about trying to argue fro a scientific position. Medical science doesn’t support an anti-abortion stance. It supports the autonomy of the mother and her body and her right to end a pregnancy. And ‘potential life’ is very much a scientific AND philosophical term.

          • http://www.almarquardt.com/ almarquardt

            “Potential life” is not a scientific term. It’s an opinion.

            A baby outside of the womb is still part of the mother as it carries half of the mother’s DNA. The mother also has to feed and take care of the child outside of the womb. If she doesn’t, the baby dies. By your thinking, a baby cannot be deemed a human being until it can feed and take care of itself without the help of the mother. What age is that, exactly?

            And what about all the premature babies who have survived and thrived. Should the parents have merely let them die, because they’re not real human beings, but only potential human beings?

          • makingcomments

            Have you heard about formula?

            Also, premature babies have been BORN. You can’t die unless you have first been BORN.

          • http://www.almarquardt.com/ almarquardt

            Tell that to all the women who’ve had miscarriages that their babies weren’t alive and technically didn’t die.

          • makingcomments

            I work with many women who have suffered miscarriages. It is not the same thing. Apples and oranges.

          • http://www.almarquardt.com/ almarquardt

            How so? A baby in the womb of a woman who wants it is no different biologically from a baby in the womb of a woman who doesn’t.

          • makingcomments

            A fetus is not a baby. I am not going to try to convince you otherwise, because you are anti science.

          • http://www.almarquardt.com/ almarquardt

            Anti-science? Now that’s funny. Thanks for the laugh.

          • Kimberly

            It’s not living? Are women carrying dead fetuses around. Do they magically become alive while passing through the birth canal?

          • sherrybb

            You can’t prove a belief. But if you are so dang adamant about it, why are you not screeching out that fetuses should be counted for tax purposes, that they should get birth certificates, welfare, be charged for health insurance etc. There is a difference between being born and not being born. It did not used to be all that complicated and until politics got involved most folks understood there is a difference between a fetus and a born child. Nobody is saying the fetus does not have value, but they are not born yet and they do not have the same rights, privileges or responsibilities of a person who has actually been born.

          • http://www.almarquardt.com/ almarquardt

            Those are all government programs. Are you saying only the government — and only the government — has the ultimate right to decide whose life is worth living, and what the definition of life should be?

            So basically what you’re saying is that a person born without a birth certificate is not a human being.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            Of course. Every leftist idiot goes by Communist Common Sense. It’s up to you to prove that personal accountability is a real thing.

          • sherrybb

            Are you being deliberately obtuse? Where did i ever say that a person who is BORN is not a human being if they don’t have a birth certificate? I didn’t say that.

            You seem to think that you get to decide when life begins don’t you? I think i’ll just go with the Scriptures and it is at first breath. Again….BORN. It does not mean a fetus has no value, but no, a fetus and a person born are not the same thing.

            This was not a big issue a couple of decades ago for most of us. Most people accepted that life began at birth, even right wingers. It got hijacked for politics sake.

            But you don’t get it both ways. You can not claim that a fetus has all the rights as one who is born has, but leave out everything else. If a fetus is a person, you must provide health insurance, you can claim them as a deduction, and you can get welfare and a host of other things…if it’s a person. Otherwise, you are saying only born persons get those things…and how fair would that be?

            Everyone does not believe the way you do. I have never had an abortion, and not sure i ever could other than under 2 circumstances ( rape and health ) but i still don’t think it is my business to decide for you. Think of it the other way, that there was a law requiring you to have an abortion if your child to be had massive health issues? Would that be fair for me to make your choice for you? Of course not.

            Like most of us who are against the govt deciding the most personal of all decisions, we believe that kids should be taught about both abstinence and birth control, that people should act responsibly. You seem unaware that some folks have abortions under horrific circumstances and are devastated that this is where they get to.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            You’re an idiot that conflates morality, law and the public’s alleged duty to pay for “stuff.”

            If you, if we, parse each issue we can come up with reasonable answers. But you’re an idiot that doesn’t actually understand anything but memes and her own feelings.

          • sherrybb

            Is there something in the DNA of some of you rabid anti choicers that you can not make a point without reverting back to 10 yr old name calling?

            You don’t get it both ways. You want the woman to have no choice whatsoever, you support forced birth but heh, no need to be responsible for that baby once it’s born..because you say so.

            So in reality, even you don’t think they are the same…you just want to force your beliefs onto someone else.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            sherrybb a minute ago:

            “Is there something in the DNA of some of you rabid anti choicers that you can not make a point without reverting back to 10 yr old name calling?”

            That’s a childish conclusion. Clearly you’re projecting.

            “You don’t get it both ways. You want the woman to have no choice whatsoever, you support forced birth but heh, no need to be responsible for that baby once it’s born..because you say so.”

            This is also idiotic. I’m simply informing you. Can you not respond like an adult?

            Your remarks are stupid. You’re relying on false dichotomies derived from Marxist “common sense.” See Antonio Gramsci.

            OK?

            Notice also that you’re not actually quoting anyone. You’re just forcing false conclusions with your beautiful Marxist Common Sense.

          • sherrybb

            OH so sorry…didn’t realize that i am required to quote someone. Who is it that you require me to quote?

            But yes, i see that you name calling is not childish, but me objecting is.

            It’s an interesting world some of you live in. BTW, you are informing me of nothing but your opinion, and i am entitled to put your advice where it belongs.

            but thanks for playing.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            sherrybb objectivefactsmatter • 5 minutes ago:

            “OH so sorry…didn’t realize that i am required to quote someone. Who is it that you require me to quote?”

            You wrote this:
            “You don’t get it both ways. You want the woman to have no choice whatsoever, you support forced birth but heh, no need to be responsible for that baby once it’s born..because you say so.”

            How do you get to speak for others without even quoting anyone? You must lie to yourself before you even start trawling.

            “But yes, i see that you name calling is not childish, but me objecting is.”

            False. I didn’t say your objections were childish. I said that your expectations are. Your logic is childish. Whether or not I point out that you’re an idiot or I stick to Political Correctness values and allow moronic communists to propagate their values in “protected spaces” (the world). You still employ childish logic. And I’m “the bad guy” for holding up the mirror.

            That’s how PC and cultural Marxism work. You’re a victim.

            “BTW, you are informing me of nothing but your opinion, and i am entitled to put your advice where it belongs.”

            Yes. In my opinion is is childish and delusional to frame everything from an idiotic Marxist worldview and to use those “values” to create false dichotomies and mendaciously paraphrase people that oppose your silliness. That’s my opinion.

          • Francisco Scaramanga

            “Prove that all people care about is the baby is born and nothing else.”

            Would you like someone to share the conservative platform on social spending? Because that’s where you’ll find the proof. There’s literally no plan for how to accommodate the spike in needy children and women in the event that their platform on abortion (i.e., a complete ban) succeeds. That you can’t discern this without someone spoon-feeding you the information speaks volumes.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/5144/1268/1600/007scarcu.jpg

            Why don’t you donate your third nipple to research?

          • objectivefactsmatter

            “Would you like someone to share the conservative platform on social spending? Because that’s where you’ll find the proof. ”

            Moron,

            We already spend too much on schools and entitlement programs. You’re promoting Communist Common Sense. It actually has nothing to do with the questions of due process for human lives and where it becomes an enforceable right.

            And there’s a whole spectrum between conception and typical birth, so don’t bring out more straw men.

            ” There’s literally no plan for how to accommodate the spike in needy children and women in the event that their platform on abortion (i.e., a complete ban) succeeds. ”

            How do you know? For one thing, parents need to be responsible for their children and make sure they’re children are not having children while under their own roof if THEY are not prepared for it. Humans need to take responsibility for their own behaviors and actions and not turn to “the government” every time they fail to plan for a rainy day.

          • Francisco Scaramanga

            “We already spend too much on schools and entitlement programs.”

            Thank you for making my point for me :). You want more needy children in the world and you’d gladly cut off their access to social programs that’d aid their survival. Nice “pro-life” stance.

            “For one thing, parents need to be responsible for their children and make sure they’re children are not having children while under their own roof if THEY are not prepared for it.”

            And your solution is forcing unprepared (physically, financially, and psychologically) women/girls to carry pregnancies to term…essentially preventing them from being responsible for their own uteri while simultaneously demanding that they be responsible for the burden you forced upon them. Amusing.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            “Thank you for making my point for me :). You want more needy children in the world and you’d gladly cut off their access to social programs that’d aid their survival. Nice “pro-life” stance.”

            Moron,

            The programs are overfunded and wasteful. That doesn’t mean any particular truly needy people must go without just because abortion laws change.

            You leftists are so ridiculous.

          • Francisco Scaramanga

            “The programs are overfunded and wasteful.”

            Evidence? Your above sentence indicates subjectivefactsmatter might be a better name for you 🙂

            “That doesn’t mean any particular truly needy people must go without just because abortion laws change.”

            What’s the conservative plan to pay for the increase in the needy that will occur if financially/physically/psychologically unprepared women are forced to give birth?

          • objectivefactsmatter

            “Evidence? Your above sentence indicates subjectivefactsmatter might be a better name for you :)”

            The government itself admits the fraud costs losses of about 9%. I’d say it’s a lot higher, especially when there are no work requirements.

            http://federalsafetynet.com/welfare-fraud.html

          • Francisco Scaramanga

            Analogy fail. Fraud costs exist all over the public and private sector. Car/health/etc. insurance all have fraud costs. As do credit cards. And the list goes on. Doesn’t mean those programs are “overfunded and wasteful”. Nor does it mean we should get rid of those things or cut access to those things. If you owned your own business like I do, you’d realize your company occasionally losing some money to a certain amount fraud is the (unfortunate) price of doing business.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            Moron,

            I never said “get rid of all programs.”

            People consistently want better management. Pointing out that it’s common to have fraud in public sector programs is not helping you make your case.

            And private sector losses are irrelevant to this question because nobody is forced to participate.

            ” If you owned your own business like I do, you’d realize your company occasionally losing some money to a certain amount fraud is the (unfortunate) price of doing business.”

            If your employees are consistently incompetent you hold them accountable. Or you’re a loser. I don’t know. I don’t care about your problems and what you allege.

            It’s easy to shrug your shoulders when it’s public funds and “the rich” can just be tapped to make up shortfalls.

            More Communist Common Sense.

          • Francisco Scaramanga

            “I never said ‘get rid of all programs.'”

            In response to my query about increasing the funding of social programs in a manner commensurate with the increased demand that’d occur if poor women were forced to give birth, you said the programs were “overfunded and wasteful” instead of explaining how you’d guarantee access to the future needy even as many of the present needy are still lacking access.

            The I said ‘What’s the conservative plan to pay for the increase in the needy that will occur if financially/physically/psychologically unprepared women are forced to give birth?’

            No response from you. Just more subterfuge. So you want to keep the programs, but have no intention of increasing them so they’re large enough to accommodate future need, correct?

            “It’s easy to shrug your shoulders when it’s public funds and “the rich” can just be tapped to make up shortfalls.”

            I don’t mind dealing with an increase in my taxes 🙂

          • objectivefactsmatter

            “Car/health/etc. insurance all have fraud costs. As do credit cards. And the list goes on. Doesn’t mean those programs are “overfunded and wasteful”.”

            You think that any decent sized company doesn’t have loss prevention policies?

            Well, the public has a right to demand better management. Don’t be ridiculous. And anyway, you brought it up as a lame straw man. Give it up.

          • Francisco Scaramanga

            “You think that any decent sized company doesn’t have loss prevention policies?”

            Nope, I bet they all have such policies. And the Feds have the Inspector General. Which is why the presence of fraud in a program doesn’t automatically mean the program is overfunded and wasteful.

            “Well, the public has a right to demand better management.”

            Agreed. Better oversight of social programs even as taxes are increased to allocate more funding to such programs. We’re on the same page here :).

          • objectivefactsmatter
          • objectivefactsmatter

            “What’s the conservative plan to pay for the increase in the needy that will occur if financially/physically/psychologically unprepared women are forced to give birth?”

            There may not be an increase. There will be people acting more responsibly. You’re highly fatalistic. I’m not.

          • Francisco Scaramanga

            “There may not be an increase. There will be people acting more responsibly.”

            Desperately poor (i.e., lacking healthcare, food insecure, etc.) and/or psychologically damaged girls/women will suddenly become Wonder Woman if only government forces them to give birth?

            So your plan is “wishful thinking”? Hahahahahahaha!

            Well, at least you’re honest. I’ll give you that. Thanks for the laugh.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            “And your solution is forcing unprepared (physically, financially, and psychologically) women/girls to carry pregnancies to term…essentially preventing them from being responsible for their own uteri while simultaneously demanding that they be responsible for the burden you forced upon them. Amusing.”

            You’re an idiotic liar.

          • Mary Mommy Happy 2017!

            I go out of my way to help needed mothers get food and clothes at my church. I donated to charities that help needed mothers with kids to find homes and give the food, clothes and school supplies for education.

            What the hell have done for humanity? Except for dehumanizing the unborn and wishing them dead?

            I have a son that was unplanned and was not financially ready to have. But guess what I took responsibility and didn’t punish my son for being conceive at a inconvenient time.

            My husband and I made it work with extra hard effort.

          • Deplorable AMERICAN™✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Mary, don’t feed the fucken troll, okay? Just don’t…

            Not this colossally ignorant fuck, @Todd20036, anyhow.

          • Mary Mommy Happy 2017!

            It seems Todd brought freinds from whatever leftwing sites he goes visit to troll twitchy with liberal talking points.

          • sherrybb

            That’s why there can not be a serious conversation about this. If we believe that a woman has the right to make her own decisions, that you who know nothing about them should have zero say in it, you go to…you dehumanize the unborn and wish them dead? Really? Most of us pro choice folks have never had an abortion. We simply think that it is not YOUR business nor the business of govt to make those choices.

            YOU made your choice. But you want to make the choice for every other person too.

          • Nan

            Pro-choice when it’s at home is pro-feticide. It doesn’t matter if you’ve had an abortion, the fact that you think it’s okay speaks for itself.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            Todd20036 almarquardt • 2 hours ago:

            “Um, that is totally relevant. That’s the whole freaking point. The pro-fetus crowd wants nothing to do with the baby once it’s born. They won’t pay for it to be raised, sheltered, fed, educated, etc.”

            Idiot,

            Because we’re not communists we don’t care about children? This makes no sense.

            Well, it makes sense to some people.

            #CommunistCommonSense

          • Nan

            Really? How does that explain those who offer to adopt children rather than see the mother abort them?

            Misuse of taxpayer funds is a strawman; welfare was set up to encourage women to have children outside the marital bond, which, in turn, increases their government dependence and ensures their children are raised in poverty, which creates democrat voters.

            Encouraging people to look to government to meet their needs is a disservice, whether by providing welfare, SNAP or Obamacare.

            Additionally, it’s nothing but theft from those who work to support these people.

        • sherrybb

          So you think the fetus should have health insurance paid for by the parents? They should have a birth certificate? can get welfare? i mean how fair is it that they don’t?

          • objectivefactsmatter

            almarquardt Dan Summers • 3 hours ago

            Irrelevant.

            I want you to answer me one question:

            At what point does that fetus gain its humanity and protection by law granted to everyone else in this country?

            4 • Reply•Share ›

            Avatar

            sherrybb almarquardt • 16 minutes ago

            So you think the fetus should have health insurance paid for by the parents? They should have a birth certificate? can get welfare? i mean how fair is it that they don’t?

            ————————

            Ridiculous deflection, smartass.

            Answer the question.

            And if you want to start SNAP supplements and Medicare support for prenatal care, go right ahead.

            Now answer the question. Troll.

          • sherrybb

            Is this what works for you folks? Anybody who does not agree with you…attack personally and name call? my kids grew out of that before they were 8 ?

            A fetus does NOT have the same rights as a person who is born. That’s the reality. Until birth, that’s it. Nobody that I know who is for the woman making her own medicaid decisions thinks that one should have an abortion just willy nilly for no reason. But the truth is…it’s not my business, nor yours, nor that of a bunch of govt officials either.

            And no, the questions are not ridiculous. If you want the fetus to be considered the same way that one who is born, then EVERYTHING else that applies to a born person applies to a fetus….or is that more of the picking and choosing that some on the right like to do?

          • objectivefactsmatter

            “A fetus does NOT have the same rights as a person who is born.”

            False dilemma. Children don’t have the same rights at 3 that they have at 18 and 21. So now what?

            And I don’t think you understand the concept of rights. The question is who has a right to kill unborn children. Those are the rights we’re questioning.

            “And no, the questions are not ridiculous. If you want the fetus to be considered the same way that one who is born, then EVERYTHING else that applies to a born person applies to a fetus….or is that more of the picking and choosing that some on the right like to do?”

            Again, this is a false dilemma for several reasons. Yes, rights are “bundled” and there would be some cascading rights that flow from protecting fetuses. No, that doesn’t mean we need to pretend that the fetus is born because we can no longer distinguish between born and unborn for legal purposes.

            You’re just silly.

          • sherrybb

            I think it’s time for me to quit responding to folks who clearly can not distinguish between a person who has been born and one who is born. A fetus is not a child. One who aborts one legally has committed no crimes, so until the law changes, the only people talking about who has a right to kill ” unborn children” are anti choice advocates. The rest of us comply with the law, and those who don’t should rightfully be prosecuted.

            It’s ok with me that you don’t see a difference between the born and the unborn. I do. The majority of Americans do, and most of all, the law does.

            Speaking of silly…mirror.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            sherrybb 4 minutes ago

            “I think it’s time for me to quit responding to folks who clearly can not distinguish between a person who has been born and one who is born.”

            You’re a moronic liar. Have a nice day.

          • http://www.almarquardt.com/ almarquardt

            Um. They do. It’s called maternity care.

            And a birth certificate is not proof of life so much as an acknowledgement for census and tax purposes.

        • Francisco Scaramanga

          “Irrelevant.”

          Yeah, because forcing women who are in bad shape financially, physically, and/or psychologically to give birth while reducing access to food stamps, healthcare, and other social spending (in other words, the conservative political platform) is such a wonderful pattern of policy positions. Good one.

          “At what point does that fetus gain its humanity and protection by law granted to everyone else in this country?”

          After it exits the woman…thereby marking the official point where its survival no longer depends on commandeering the internal organs and resources of the woman it once inhabited. Until then, it exists only as long as the woman consents to its existence. Which is just fine.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            “Yeah, because forcing women who are in bad shape financially, physically, and/or psychologically to give birth while reducing access to food stamps, healthcare, and other social spending (in other words, the conservative political platform) is such a wonderful pattern of policy positions. Good one.”

            Evidently snarc is what passes for morality for your ilk.

        • makingcomments

          I think that it is at the moment when it can survive outside of the womb – aka, viability.

          Abortions are illegal after viability.

      • Dwayne Mountain Dew Camacho

        Oh…look a beta male gets excited about killing babies…. how new and different.

        • Todd20036

          A zygote is not a baby.

          A baby costs money. If you don’t pay for the baby once it’s born, you don’t get a say in the zygote.

          Try again

          • http://www.almarquardt.com/ almarquardt

            After a female egg is fertilized, the resulting one-celled organism becomes known as a zygote. Once this has occured, the zygote begins a two-week period of rapid cell division and will eventually become an embryo.

            Abortions occur after a much longer gestational period than 2 weeks.

            You try again.

          • grais

            Zygote? lol
            I haven’t heard that one used since the 60s.
            lol
            Were you just unfrozen or something?

          • Deplorable AMERICAN™✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Ever hear of “Pre-natal” care, you ignorant fucktard?

          • Dwayne Mountain Dew Camacho

            There are people lined up to adopt newborns…assistant beta male.

      • Ross

        your liberal logic is lacking much intelligent thought. Hey, a civilized society objects to murder so it not only chooses not to commit murder, but to also punish those who do choose to commit murder.

      • Deplorable AMERICAN™✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

        So.. how do all those “forced births” originate, Mr. Professor of Biology Emeritus at IdontKnowShit University?

      • objectivefactsmatter

        Dan Summers lCOYAR 3 hours ago

        “Well maybe is if the Pro Forced Birth Crowd pay the increase in taxes that will come with all those forced births. And the many problems that those children and families will now have.”

        Holy f’ing carp. You really are a communist. Nothing about personal responsibility. Because all of these things are matters of fate and the only way “we” can intervene is for the smart and altruistic (Marxist) pols to tax us and kill them when it’s cheapest according to some greater good arguments so that we can balance the budgets. Erm, so that we can keep increasing cash entitlements for the dupes so that they keep voting for Marxist pols until the glorious revolution comes.

        #AmoralLefists

      • Sarah ✈

        “forced birth” lmao. Birth isn’t forced, it is the naturally occurring end to the cycle of pregnancy.

        And if you don’t like slaves, don’t have one. That makes slavery okay, right?

      • Nan

        Think of all the taxpayers being aborted. Abstinence works. So does monogamy. Birth control does nothing but separate the marital act from procreation, which leads to increasing objectification of women who are repeatedly used by men who want them only for sex.

  • JosephBloughs ✓Viagrafied

    Any bets on how eager the national media will be to report on this, as opposed to the actual videos?

  • SaitoSama

    This is the change we were promised and you expected what after he was reelected
    They all are letting it hang out now

  • unknown

    Figures, it’s Houston

    • http://twitter.com/thetugboatphil TugboatPhil

      Anything that happens in Harris or Travis County legal systems can rarely result in justice.

    • The Dragon

      They elected a militant, liberal lesbian for mayor. Says it all doesn’t it?

      • Dan Summers

        And what does the gender or sexual orientation have the mayor have to do with anything?

        • Deplorable AMERICAN™✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

          “If the foundations be destroyed…”

          But I don’t expect you to know the rest.

  • Wonder Pony

    It is quite possible that this was done so that Discovery could be done.

    • grais

      It’s gonna be interesting.

  • Karla1953

    Ah now they will want to report on the whole thing wait and see………………………. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/9a22ccfec1d092d740086b1566d944e05be84ba2004356a2328071c4213b47f1.jpg

    • Todd20036

      Try putting a zygote in a lion suit, and see if that helps.

  • nboptimist

    If they somehow get a conviction, the left will have created two martyrs. And the more that they “explain” how they are really criminals, the more that they will piss people off. Plus, if you’re explaining, you’re losing.

    I will relish the backfire, and they almost had the story buried.

    • Dan Summers

      it already backfired on the activists.
      The wanted to try to prove something that does not exist…

      • Dwayne Mountain Dew Camacho

        Unless you actually look at the evidence.

        Which the DA didnt want to do…and the prosecutor sits on the FING BOARD AT PP.

        Damn…you are easily manipulated.

        • sherrybb

          Speaking of being easily manipulated. This was INVESTIGATED. The DA is a Republican. Are you accusing everyone…the DA, the Houston PD and the Texas Rangers of violating the law?

          Republicans demanded this investigation. It got investigated. Now they are mad at the results.

          • Dwayne Mountain Dew Camacho

            Hey dullard. The prosecutor SITS on the PP board….

          • sherrybb

            Really, there has already been a prosecutor assigned? Who is it?

            Care to provide a link that shows the Republican AG in this Texas town sits on the PP board? a valid link.

      • Finrod Felagund

        Your mind is made up and you are adamantly refusing to be convinced by the facts.

      • Deplorable AMERICAN™✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

        They investigated more than just your precious infanticide outlet in Houston.

  • Penny✓ItsSoFluffy! #GoBolts!

    obama’s America, people.

  • genes ✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ ᵈᵉᵖˡᵒʳᵃᵇˡᵉ

    I’m a gonna guess that the DA is Pro-abortion.

    • Notorious P.I.G.

      sucker’s bet, look at his wording; Anti-Abortion rather than Prolife.

  • Ian McLaughlin

    Awesome.

  • Michael the white suburbanite

    Isn’t this the State that “Abortion Barbie” got trounced? Will opening this back up for public discussion be good for PP.

    • Canned Heat

      Houston is solidly Dem. That is why it happened in a Dem county

      • tverle

        Yes. They elect (and reelect) gems like Sheila Jackson Lee.

        • Penny✓ItsSoFluffy! #GoBolts!

          Can’t forget about her. These are her idiot constituents.

  • genes ✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ ᵈᵉᵖˡᵒʳᵃᵇˡᵉ

    I’ll go further and bet the DA has received “contributions” from PP and their supporters.

    • The_Kat ✓vilified

      That was my immediate reaction.

    • Dan Summers

      And those trying to destroy PP get contributions from organizations that want to oppress womens rights and their supporters…so what?
      Those that support individual rights and want safe access for abortions have just as much right to support and vote for who they want too. They just have things like the law on their side.

      • http://www.almarquardt.com/ almarquardt

        Slavery used to be legal, too. What’s your point?

        • Francisco Scaramanga

          Slaves escaped and were able to exist/thrive/live outside of the plantation environment. Since fetuses and slaves are supposedly equivalent, let’s take your analogy to it’s logical conclusion by continuing to allow women to emancipate fetuses from their oppressive uteri. PP is willing to provide that service to any woman who asks. Looks like things are already consistent with your analogy 🙂

          • objectivefactsmatter

            Francisco Scaramanga almarquardt • 33 minutes ago:

            “Slaves escaped and were able to exist/thrive/live outside of the plantation environment.”

            No. False. Slavery was outlawed by those in power in the UK and the USA and others followed.

            “Since fetuses and slaves are supposedly equivalent, let’s take your analogy to it’s logical conclusion by continuing to allow women to emancipate fetuses from their oppressive uteri. PP is willing to provide that service to any woman who asks.”

            You’re not even funny. Would you think it funny if someone came along and started “emancipating” you with their hands around your neck?

            Yeah. I didn’t think so. Scumbag.

            “Looks like things are already consistent with your analogy :)”

            Aren’t you charming.

      • Dwayne Mountain Dew Camacho

        No such thing as a “right to kill someone” dullard.

        • Francisco Scaramanga

          No such thing as a “right to commandeer someone else’s uterus (or any internal organ) for your survival (without the owner’s consent)” dullard.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            Francisco Scaramanga Dwayne Mountain Dew Camacho • 36 minutes ago:

            “No such thing as a “right to commandeer someone else’s uterus (or any internal organ) for your survival (without the owner’s consent)” dullard.”

            Ridiculous straw man. Yet again.

            Owner. What an idiot you are.

          • Francisco Scaramanga

            If you believe you have no ownership rights over your organs, that’s your business 🙂

          • objectivefactsmatter

            This is a false dilemma. I have “ownership” or sovereignty over my children but I must still acknowledge their rights. I have sovereignty over my body as well.

          • Francisco Scaramanga

            You have “custody” of your children, not “ownership”. You’re allowed to make decisions on their behalf, but since someone else could just as easily care for them (given that they’re not literally attached to your organs in order to survive), you’re more limited in how you can handle them.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            You’re a joke.

          • http://wandererswaysite.wordpress.com Wanderer

            If you were to evict a delinquent tenant from your rental property by means of a chainsaw no one would question you’re a murdering psycho.

            Do it to a baby and Frankie here will stand up and applaud.

      • genes ✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ ᵈᵉᵖˡᵒʳᵃᵇˡᵉ

        They bought it.

      • Deplorable AMERICAN™✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

        Sounds like another ignorant man ignorant of the “rights of women”. “Women” apparently doesn’t cover those women as yet unborn.

        • Francisco Scaramanga

          “Women” covers the owner of the uterus, since that’s the relevant private property right in this context AND the right you anti-abortionists love to ignore.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            Francisco Scaramanga AMERICAN Kafir™✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ • 35 minutes ago

            “”Women” covers the owner of the uterus, since that’s the relevant private property right in this context AND the right you anti-abortionists love to ignore.”

            Citation needed.

            The relevant law under common law is duty to rescue.

          • Francisco Scaramanga

            Duty to rescue doesn’t apply to forcibly compelling women to relinquish dominion over their own internal organs, but cute try :). If a woman, puts her toddler in the care of babysitter who turns out to be abusive, then duty to rescue applies.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            Francisco Scaramanga 5 minutes ago:

            “Duty to rescue doesn’t apply to forcibly compelling women to relinquish dominion over their own internal organs, but cute try :).”

            It’s not clear when exactly it does or doesn’t.

          • Francisco Scaramanga

            No, it’s pretty clear it doesn’t apply to abortion or general relinquishing of one’s internal organs. Unless you have some compelling case law you’d like to share 🙂

          • objectivefactsmatter

            History has not yet ended.

      • objectivefactsmatter

        Dan Summers genes ✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ 3 hours ago:

        “And those trying to destroy PP get contributions from organizations that want to oppress womens rights and their supporters…so what?”

        Rights? Really? You use that word and apparently have no clue what it means.

        • Francisco Scaramanga

          1. Do you believe in private property rights? Yes or No.

          2. Who owns the uterus?

          • objectivefactsmatter

            Francisco Scaramanga 7 minutes ago

            “1. Do you believe in private property rights? Yes or No.”

            Humans are not property.

            “2. Who owns the uterus?”

            The host and dependent both have claims. But not property claims.

            Are you retarded? Yes or no?

          • Francisco Scaramanga

            “Humans are not property.”

            But human organs (like uteri) are. Ever heard of kidney donations? Why do they require consent of the kidney’s owner if organ property rights don’t exist? 🙂

            “The host and dependent both have claims.”

            LOL…I needed that to start my morning. Nice attempt to dodge the question. Since you’re unfamiliar with kidney donations, your silly answer to question #2 is forgiven. As is your attempt to project your developmental disability onto others 🙂

          • objectivefactsmatter

            “But organs (like uteri) are. Ever heard of kidney donations? :)”

            Moron,

            As I explained to you, characterizing something as property, when it’s alive, doesn’t mean you can skip over human rights questions. Organs are not sentient. The battle of rights is between the mother and the fetuses.

            “LOL…I needed that to start my morning. Nice attempt to dodge the question. Since you’re unfamiliar with kidney donations, your silly answer to question #2 is forgiven. As is your attempt to project your developmental disability onto others :)”

            You should be laughing at yourself.

          • Francisco Scaramanga

            “Organs are not sentient.”

            And the brain and spinal cord don’t form in the embryo until the 5th week of pregnancy. No brain = no sentience. So your logic suggests you’re at least okay with abortions early in the first trimester. There’s hope for you yet :).

          • objectivefactsmatter

            Um, yeah. I’m willing to compromise to a reasonable extent.

      • Nan

        For now.

  • FreedomFighter

    This is communism folks.

    • Dan Summers

      Communism really? You use that word and apparently have no clue what it means.

      • Deplorable AMERICAN™✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

        Instead of an empty comment, feel free to give us your definition of “communism”, since you think you’re so smart…

      • objectivefactsmatter

        Dan Summers FreedomFighter 3 hours ago

        “Communism really? You use that word and apparently have no clue what it means.”

        Communism is when everything is “democratized” (which means politicized). Everything.

        What do you think it means?

  • thedeplorableblonde

    Discovery is gonna be a bitch.

    • dr44

      Yeah – in all likelihood, the videographers’ defense team will now have a chance to depose the PP leadership. Under oath, of course. Love to be a fly on the wall when *that* happens.

    • Acuda4me ✓Please!

      Discovery rules mean nothing in this post-Lois Lerner post-Hillary Clinton era of self-discovery selection.

    • Mr.Goodvibe

      Lets hope so, the DA is a republican if that is worth anything nowadays

      http://www.andersonda.com/2015/09/30/tx-gop-womens-spotlight/

    • tverle

      I’m hoping the jury will have to watch the entire unedited video(s).

      • thedeplorableblonde

        If the judge doesn’t allow the video in, then you know it’s all a farce.

  • Canned Heat

    Specific intent crime. There clearly was no intent to buy. Utter BS

  • Mr.Goodvibe

    Houston may be in TX but it is run by libs mostly.

  • https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzZoahQVVFe26Xbq-d4Ut7g Lord Fhalkyn

    My prediction: the MSM is going to trumpet this as a win, and we’ll hear and see nothing about the videos.

    • GonetoCarolina

      It’s just a “local story” isn’t it?
      I mean they used that excuse regarding Gosnell…

      • https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzZoahQVVFe26Xbq-d4Ut7g Lord Fhalkyn

        It’s always local, except when it can help further “Teh Narrative.” Then it’s big news.

    • unknown

      Yep, Lester Holt found time to cover it tonight

  • Sketti

    Ok, 1st Amendment be damned, I guess it’s time to go after 60 minutes, 20/20, and any other undercover type of investigative journalist. Lets start with locking up Jurado Rivera!

  • Lance H

    I say, let’s have us a good old fashioned jury trial, where all the facts and evidence and blood and gore can be presented to a jury and cameras and reporters. Something tells me that isn’t going to happen, indictment or not.

  • kennyraisin

    Well, always heard a grand jury can indict a ham sammich

  • R_Stephan

    my city’s DA has apparently lost his freakin mind…this is nuckin futs.

  • Six Cents

    This just in: Grand Jury in Texas indicts ham sandwich.

    • MarciaTheMurkyMuse🌠 Variegated

      Moslem Grand Jury?

  • R_Stephan

    Then the truth comes out. Planned Parenthood Board Member Works in Office of D.A. Investigating Sale of Aborted Babies: http://www.lifenews.com/2015/08/10/planned-parenthood-board-member-works-in-office-of-d-a-investing-sale-of-aborted-babies/

    • Meowbius

      How many signatures are required on the petition? Nothing seems to enough to beat libprogs

  • MarciaTheMurkyMuse🌠 Variegated

    Somewhat OT: Has anyone seen Mrs. Pinky lately? We’d expect her to post on this thread, but ???

    • The_Kat ✓vilified

      There are a lot of Twitchy regulars who seem to have left the site.

      • http://www.almarquardt.com/ almarquardt

        I noticed that, too. Any idea why?

        • journogal

          The selective banning of commenters and those that are allowed to post understand various names got to a few.

          • WilliamAmos

            Not selective banning. I want people to freely come to this site and not feel they are under attack. Those banned felt the need to target others they disagreed with. Intimidation or threats are not allowed.

          • journogal

            I am going by what was said. ETA: I know what you are saying as well.

          • Darth Venomous✓unmedicated

            …says he who dumped an innocent comment about chicken & dumplings not three days ago…

        • The_Kat ✓vilified

          I think some were banned for going off on our resident troll who hijacked every thread with some idiocy and was allowed to run amok. PaulyWalnuts was one. Although the troll seems to have gone MIA after the last ban. I think others are just pissed about it. I know sooner58 was banned and I’m sure she had some admirers who were upset and probably left the site too. It’s a shame because there were once so many humorous people here but like in the “real world” liberals ruin everything and conservatives in charge allow them to do it.

  • interestedobserver2

    Houston. ‘Nuff said. This is the same city that tried to force pastors to turn over their sermons for “criminal investigation.”

  • akatom3565

    Notice the location first. Second the in a grand jury and the preponderance of evidence and possible laws broken are a simple set. I would hazard to guess that a democrat DA is in charge and they will do what ever it takes to get them into court. Proving they actually broke the law in front of a musty and judge is a whole different matter. If they really go through it then that evidence can go both ways and hurt PP and their democratic ghouls.

  • disqus_eric

    Abortion Barbie must be so happy

  • http://crayfisher.wordpress.com/ Myiq2xu™

    That’s the craziest thing since Doheny was acquitted of offering the bribe that Fall was convicted of accepting.

  • Oysteria (I won)

    Wait. You can’t buy and/or sell without a second party involved. From what i could see PP was the only other party involved.

  • gekkobear

    Texas is a “one party consent” State for recording.

    I bet even I can prove on a court of law that One party consented to being recorded.

    What the unholy hell are they thinking? This is laughably stupid.

  • The Dragon

    What a truly sick, sad, twisted nation we live in now. Indictment for exposing not only the murder but butchering of unborn children for profit. I can’t even put into words all of my feelings about this. Evil of this caliber, goes beyond what groupings of letters could possibly ever describe.

    • tverle

      And instead of indicting the party actually selling baby parts, they indict the people exposing the atrocity.

    • TXConservativeMama

      …right there with you.

  • Right4 Rebel

    The Houston grand jury has really gone over to the dark side.

  • Depraved Trumpsters

    It is about darn time someone too these lying filmmakers to task. They lied and sliced film to make it look like Planned Parenthood did something wrong. Now someone should do something about the liars that made the silly 13 hours.

    • ArmchairMike

      Put on your tin-foil hat the mothership is calling.

    • tverle

      Hahahahahahahahahahaha!

    • unknown
    • Dan Summers

      Damn a voice of reason.

      Funny how no one else is calling out those videographers on their lies. The last video’s of PP selling Body parts was already proven to be False.
      But then people are willing to believe whatever some one on TV or thier preacher tells them.

      • Finrod Felagund

        Idiot leftist troll with a private posting history, because they’re a coward.

      • journogal

        …thier preacher tells them. Cute, and I bet you claim to be so tolerant and accepting, don’t you? I mean, when you aren’t making remarks like this.

      • Mary Mommy Happy 2017!

        Have you watch the full videos for yourself and not depend on planned parenthood to think for you liberal troll?

      • Deplorable AMERICAN™✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

        Aw, how cute. Some jerkwad thinks Christians aren’t a part of modern technological society.

      • Sarah ✈

        There were no lies. The videos were only edited for time. Keep pushing *your* lies, though.

      • wasp69

        If I were you, I’d completely avoid the discovery phases of the trials to prevent any damage to the narrative you’ve swallowed.

  • Dwayne Mountain Dew Camacho

    Cruz 2016…to end Planned Murder, Inc.

  • TTTCOTTH

    Discovery can and will be made public. Lying during discovery can be considered perjury. This is going to be a brutal public display. Look for PPP to surpress.

  • cajun_2

    This is just the beginning folks. The guy who made the “video” that caused the deaths at Benghazi went to jail. The one who caused the deaths is running for POTUS. Al Sharpton owes millions in taxes and has lunch at the white house. But a baker has lost all assets and money cause she refused to bake a cake. PP sells dead babies pieces parts and the “law” indicts the ones who exposed the evil.

    The sky is moving sideways….h/t Porcupine Tree

  • Deplorable AMERICAN™✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

    • http://www.almarquardt.com/ almarquardt

      Exactly. If there’s no there, there, why did they go there?

  • /sarcnado ☠

    “Give us Barabbas!”
    –Houston Grand Jury

    • Hashtag pundit

      So true.

  • LucienCordier

    I just wanna party like it’s 1793.

  • American

    Hillary: “And, we’re going to get those responsible for making that video”

  • David

    Takes a couple of weeks to come up with a bogus indictment of journalists who provided information about a corrupt and vile organization like PP. However, it takes years to find ways to try to absolve Hillary, Bill, obama, Holder, Lerner, and the gang of democrat criminals of high crimes and treason.

  • TXConservativeMama

    As a native Houstonian (in the ‘burbs, thank God), this disgusts me. I can only hope that if they’re convicted, it’ll be overturned at the more Conservative state level.
    .
    God help this country.

  • globalcrap

    How about indicting those phony O Bogus doctors ,who murder innocent babies at Planned Mother -Hood, and the women who let them murder their innocent babies..

  • spaceycakes

    somewhere a vulture was heard to utter, ‘wow, those people are low

  • JMigyanka

    Killing the messenger. Not good.

  • rachel

    GOOD! They were sketchy as all get out, felons as well I guess!

    • TXConservativeMama

      Enjoy hell.

      • Michelle ✓classified

        Innit that God’s job to decide?

        • Deplorable AMERICAN™✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

          To be fair, TX is only telling them to enjoy it, not telling them to burn in hell.

          • Michelle ✓classified

            But innit God’s job to decide who goes there? Who is she to decide who goes there? Chickie needs to simmer down.

          • Nan

            It’s those who turn from God who go there.

          • Michelle ✓classified

            And another who thinks they speak for God.

          • wasp69

            Or you can see His words in His book.

          • Michelle ✓classified

            Not everyone is a Christian or follows the bible.

          • wasp69

            No, they are not. However, His words and criteria are there for all to see; there is no mystery.

          • Michelle ✓classified

            You miss the point, but that’s OK.

  • Mary Mommy Happy 2017!

    Not surprising as Planned Parenthood use taxpayers money to get this despicable DA Devon Anderson elected.

    She been known to side with planned parenthood in lawsuits. I very much hope the charges against David Daleiden and Sandra Merritt get repealed.

    As a Houstonian. I’m very angry and frustrated sad with this situation.

    • TXConservativeMama

      Same here, fellow Houstonian!

    • Suck It Up Buttercups

      As a Houstonian you have far more to lose or gain and to add to the outcome! Get in and fight. Good luck.

      • TXConservativeMama

        We just move out into the suburbs w/other sane people and truly thank God that we have a more Conservative government at the state level.

      • Mary Mommy Happy 2017!

        Thank you. It is a hard fight. But will continue to vote pro-life Republicans into office in Texas and Houston.

  • Suck It Up Buttercups

    If anyone believes Daleiden et al were not ready for this you need to check the issue.

    This is late actually. Discovery is a witch.

    • TXConservativeMama

      I agree w/you there. I think they’ve been long prepared.

  • Mary123s

    Wouldn’t PP get in trouble for not noting biohazard waste on their mail?

  • TXConservativeMama

    As someone stated in the Houston Chronicle comment section, this is akin to 2 Germans going undercover to expose Nazi’s barbaric treatment of Jews and THAT being what’s prosecuted, not the evil deeds themselves.

    • Suck It Up Buttercups

      That is just sick!

      Because it is true.

  • twfuller

    Of course “establishment Republicans” must be happier than ever over this faux indictment.

    • TXConservativeMama

      What Republicans? This is Houston, filled with idiot leftists.

  • Jake Wilde

    They will sing and dance on the left because government corruption wins out.

  • Suck It Up Buttercups

    “a grand jury would ‘indict a ham sandwich,’ if that’s what you wanted.”

  • http://drudge.com snyper77

    These leftist puke baby killer supporters are the “disgusting” ones.

  • TXConservativeMama

    Honest question — is it wrong to actually yearn for a civil war?

    • globalcrap

      Just a matter of time. Stay alert around your surrounding’s, Keep your power dry.

  • TXConservativeMama

    It’s a felony to destroy the egg of an eagle (and no, they’re no longer on the endangered list). The punishment for destroying can include imprisonment. And yet, THIS is not considered a life being destroyed: http://tinyurl.com/py9b25c
    .
    I truly weep for my country.

    • Sue

      our country is “dead in the head”.

    • Notsure

      But, but, but, was it a lion?!?

  • http://www.almarquardt.com/ almarquardt

    What “government record” are they even talking about?

    • TXConservativeMama

      I think it has something to do with “badges”.

    • Joffan

      Could be congressional hearings or similar. Video or transcripts that they were required to swear as a true record.

    • Mary Mommy Happy 2017!

      Good question.

    • Karla1953

      From the different articles I read trying to find out it seems it has to do with ID’s and badges and other items used to gain access etc. Also the setting up of a bogus company…………………..that is what I kind of gleaned from all that I read as much was quite vague

    • Ruy Diaz

      I’ve read it was a driver’s license.

  • Dwayne Mountain Dew Camacho
  • Hashtag pundit

    So let me get this straight: they’re saying that PP didn’t sell the tissue (which is illegal) but they’re prosecuting the filmmakers for BUYING it from them?!?

  • Hashtag pundit

    I’m flabbergasted. Travesty is not even sufficiently forceful to describe this heinous miscarriage of justice. WTF indeed.

  • nurseheidi

    This Country is so far down the rabbit hole only God can save it now. We deserve every judgement He gives. Anyone who still believes this Country is fair and just is naive at best. I am beyond disgusted.

  • Meowbius

    What about the whistleblower protection?
    How is a sting operation actors are indicted in what they were set up a sting for?
    I did not major in criminal justice, but this seems completely off. At least, conflict of interest (see the post of PP investigating PP) should’ve invalidate the indictment. The whole thing is like Kafka x 100

  • Deplorable Rican ☨ʳᵉᵈᵉᵉᵐᵉᵈ

    The Gaystapo in fullFX…..telling the truth is dangerous these days

  • TXConservativeMama

    Hi Tweeters —

    @DADevonAnderson

  • TXConservativeMama

    Up is down
    Right is wrong
    Good is evil
    ..
    That’s the current condition of the U.S.A.

  • Kent Jenkins

    Liberal Town , perverts Justis it’s what they do

  • Maggie

    And so when will NBC be indicted for “To Catch A Predator”?

  • constitutionminded

    So they indicted, now let the defense bring on discovery and bring this out in the open. I think PP will rue the day they pushed this.

  • Calvin

    How can there be an illegal attempt to purchase if there is no illegal attempt to sell? This makes no sense whatsoever.

    • TXConservativeMama

      It’s Sheila Jackson-Lee’s district.

  • Truth Detector

    So it is true…………..you can indict a ham sandwich.

  • http://www.nleomf.org/officers/heroes-behind-the-badge/heroes-behind-badge-sacrifice-survival.html Meatzilla ✓ᴵᴿᴿᴱᴰᴱᴱᴹᴬᴾᴸᴼᴿᴬᴮᴸᴱ

    Yeah. Right. Like this is just such the shocking news under this current Government of ours. Like no one can believe that in this ObamaNation of ours — rife with Government agencies full of politically motivated bullet-proof biased bullies never held officially accountable by anyone for their ceaseless malfeasance and their endless crimes — nothing like this could ever possibly happen to Americans in America.

    Outside of Olympus — We Are ALL Political Prisoners.

    http://accoun.org/wp-content/uploads/19970713_DrJack_SundayTimes.jpg

  • Septic Stew

    Tampering with a gov’t record. What was the record?

  • Meowbius

    Just wanted to remind that Kermit Gosnell was first investigated by the DEA when it became known that his office was selling narcotic prescriptions left and right. DEA agents went into his office to conduct a sting purchase of illegal prescriptions and discovered something even more evil. I never heard that he was an innocent victim of heavily edited investigation. Am I wrong?

  • NotReveen

    If Republicans are excited about it, it’s probably a lie. From 9/11 to Iraq to birtherism to Benghazi to Planned Parenthood, morons never learn.

    • Meowbius

      Hello, @Seawhip:disqus

    • Humanary Stew

      Careful, your projection is showing.

      • NotReveen

        I just tell the truth. For instance, Republicans have told thousands of lies about the Benghazi victims, yet no Republicans have ever apologized for any of those lies. Do you know why? Because there’s no such thing as a patriotic Republican. It never even occurred to you that it was wrong to lie about dead Americans because you literally have no sense of patriotism.

        • Finrod Felagund

          You wouldn’t know the truth if it slapped you in the face, leftist.

        • Meowbius

          Why are you posting under multiple names, Albert Gump Kaye?

    • Finrod Felagund

      Lying leftist lies about lying, film at 11.

      By the way, did you know the whole kerfuffle about Obama’s birth certificate came from Hillary Clinton’s camp? Probably not, since your mind is devoid of facts.

      • NotReveen

        Actually, Hillary Clinton’s campaign had absolutely nothing to do with the birth certificate stories. It did, however, begin with a Hillary Clinton supporter, which is a totally different thing. Try to remember how stupid you are. No matter how many times Republican fool you, you will always believe them the next time — as you just proved. You are literally a moron.

        • Girl who talks with her claws

          Truth in living color.
          Now go play with yourself. At least that way you can’t make any more children you don’t want whose lives will be taken at our expense through abortion.

          • NotReveen

            When faced with the truth, you post pictures of dead babies? You’re as sick and dishonest as Carly Fiorina.

          • Girl who talks with her claws

            The truth is that abortion turns live babies into dead babies.
            If you all weren’t so stupid, you would be able to figure out which end of you the condom goes on so you wouldn’t need to kill 1.06 million “unwanted” babies a year.

          • NotReveen

            Try to remember that you believe everything Republicans tell you, no matter how many times they lie. You’re incapable of thinking for yourself.

        • wasp69

          It did, however, begin with a Hillary Clinton supporter, which is a totally different thing.

          Okay, let’s see how smart you are: Which one?

  • Meowbius

    Looks like paid trolls pop in and out. Flag and ignore. How do you argue with someone with the name 404? FLAG the cowards!

  • RJLigier

    Must have been a jury of batshitcrazy 2-3%ers in Houston to aid and abet in the sadistic 2-3%er Mengele type behavior at Planned Parenthood………I’m beginning to wonder whether civil war can be averted between the majority normal heterosexual population that adhere to the COTUS and the batshitcrazy 2-3%ers politcally identifying as national socialists/communists/progressives/libertarians/pagans……….

  • Evie1949

    Affirmative defense is the truth. Just play the whole tape – with the bathroom breaks – and that will end the trial.

  • Moosejaw50

    What was the tampered government record? A tax statement? A non-birth certificate? What was it?

    • TXConservativeMama

      I believe it was the “badges” they wore.

      • Moosejaw50

        Interesting. Stinking badges do it every time.

  • Lizzyp

    How much are we betting that a Gofundme page set up to help pay for CMP’s legal fees would get shut down?

  • Jerry Shelton

    when you can not dispute the message, shoot the messenger

  • TXConservativeMama

    Surprise everyone! The DA, Devon Anderson, sits on the Planned Parenthood board.

    Tell her what you think via Twitter!: @DADevonAnderson

    • Deplorable AMERICAN™✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

      Conflict of interest much?

      • Meowbius

        No, built-in collusion

        • Deplorable AMERICAN™✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

          Wouldn’t a judge, if sitting on the same “board”, have to recuse themselves ?

          • Meowbius

            No, if it’s for a greater good. They are our betters, remember?

  • Frank

    How white liberal of them. intellectual nazis. Up to their necks in decadence and depravity. Of course; go after the messengers, it has worked countless times for Hillary.

  • tessaprn

    Houston, look at their elected officials and population. Very liberal.

  • Jerry Shelton

    When you can not destroy the message; destroy the messenger

  • Vindicated

    Since there is no defense case offered in a GJ proceeding, the phrase is a prosecutor can get a grand jury to indict a ham sandwich. That ain’t what happens during discovery. Or a trial.

    Remember that when you see the libs dancing like it’s a pride parade during Mardi Gras, which they are doing right now in all their tumescent exuberance.

    Reality is, this is going to become the biggest firestorm since Dresden, and a lot of careers are going to be over. In a way, I almost feel bad for the Prosecutor, since she had no real choice here. She did what she was ordered to do, and now she’s going to pay a huge price. She’s in Wendy’s World now.

    • aguest

      Do you mean the DA didn’t have a choice? If so, Harris County District Attorney Devon Anderson is on the Board of Planned Parenthood so her job is probably safe.

  • Kenneth James Abbott

    So it’s not illegal for Planned Parenthood to sell the body parts, but it IS illegal for the undercover reporters to pretend to buy them? These guys aren’t even pretending to have any concern for justice anymore.

  • dottie.jhon

    Really? so investigative journalism is a potential crime, we will see how far they go here before a plea deal. the headlines sure look good for the death dealers.

    • dabhidh

      Investigative journalism that exposes uncomfortable truths about pet leftist causes is a potential crime.

      Also: PP has a lot of money and political influence with which to buy justice.

  • CrusadaBWinning

    LAWYERS ARE SCUM.

  • Janice LEE

    They went after Tom DeLay, Rick Perry, and now the truth seekers. How pathetic.

    • wasp69

      It only goes to prove that the quickest way to anger a leftist is to tell them the truth.

  • Captain_Sensible50

    Just a guess here, but it appears the Grand Jury bought the argument that the videotapes were “selectively edited” in order to make PP look bad (although I’d say they need no help in that particular area), so that perhaps explains the first charge.

    As for the second charge, that of “trafficking in fetal tissue”, it sure seems to me that PP was very eager to sell the organs, so how they were not found at least equally guilty is beyond me.

    • sherrybb

      Just a guess, but i suspect the grand jury had access to info that we don’t. The Texas Rangers and the Houston PD investigated, and it was a Republican DA. The anti choice folks demanded an investigation and now don’t seem to like the outcome of that investigation.

      • objectivefactsmatter

        Just a guess, but they probably know that this is the best way to force evidence production and eventually target PP.

      • Dinobot

        Discovery is a bitch that PP would soon regret.

      • Girl who talks with her claws

        Go impregnate yourself.

        • sherrybb

          oh my, middle school out earlier for the young boys?

          • Girl who talks with her claws

            If it is, you’d better hurry up and give yourself to them freely so you can participate in the abortion sacrament to get your feminist cred.

          • sherrybb

            So sorry that your brain stopped working so young. Probably too later any help.

            Have already reached my limit of responding to such immature little boys, so will move on, Perhaps you can troll a bunch of middle school girls with your brilliance.

          • Girl who talks with her claws

            Good. Go back to wonkette & dazzle them with your brilliance.

    • Dan13

      It all circles back to why PP workers stuck to the script given them by the filmmakers.

  • Wang Chang

    Hahahahaha i hope they get prison.

  • goose

    The liberals sure crawled out from under their rocks on this one.

  • Tom Malthus

    It is only a matter of time before PP suffers the same fate as ACORN.

  • Marvin Nelson

    Houston is a liberal cesspool, so what should we expect? They support and will defend PP against any and all threats. They make me sick.

  • MedStudentForLife

    Still no charges for the videos being “fake” as libs have been screaming. No matter what we all know Planned Parenthood kills 300,000 humans a year. Nothing will ever make that ok. We are witnessing the worst human rights atrocity and its called abortion.

  • http://whatandever.blogspot.com/ Osumashi Kinyobe

    Lesson for today: don’t expose Cecile Richards’ baby-eating. It’s a trifle embarrassing.

  • Girl who talks with her claws
  • MIKE HUNT

    INDITE BEGNAZI…….!!!!!!! #TCOT #INVESTIGATE #TRUMP2016

  • Mark

    Curious on how the law reads, that Daleiden and Merrit get indicted for fetal tissue sale but not PP. Hopefully PP will regret this after discovery.

  • Andrew Curlutu

    This happened in TX, of all places? Geez, I heard Houston had gone full deadhead liberal, but this is beyond the pale. What, did Abortion Barbie sneak up on the jurors in the dead of night and bite them on the neck?

  • Barack Hussein Sharpton

    So it’s legal to sell infant body parts (even though PP claims they never did), but illegal to purchase them (even though PP didn’t sell them).

  • dewitt vargas

    Pure schadenfreude
    Not a single gov’t investigation has shown Planned Parenthood did anything wrong. And, even after countless investigations PROVING THIS, the right STILL doesn’t accept that fact.
    Yet the list of conservative lawbreakers continue to grow….
    OKeefe, D’Souza, Breitbart, etc., etc…

  • Dan13

    So, who gets the Lambroghini?

  • Ralph Martin

    I can’t imagine a more amusing outcome. Comments here do not disappoint.

  • iVillageIdiot

    I can’t wait to see how the prosecution avoids the fact that PP was SELLING human organs as they try to claim the videographer is guilty of having tried to buy them from PP. It’s Houston, though, so logical contradictions may pose no impediment.

    • oldman66

      Georgia, Massachusetts, South Dakota, Missouri have all investigated Planned Parenthood. None of them found any evidence that PP was ‘selling’ human organs. How many investigations does it take to convince you?

  • blockthiscnn

    Ham sammich indictment. The grand jury can function as a rubber stamp for the prosecution, or at least that was the argument made when President Clinton was indicted.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/special/clinton/stories/jury040998.htm

    Additionally, the Harris County DA has a staff member who is also on the board of Planned Parenthood. They claim she’s not involved in the investigation, but that doesn’t prevent bias in the investigation.

    http://thefederalist.com/2016/01/25/houston-grand-indicts-david-daleiden-for-organ-trafficking-issues-no-charges-against-planned-parenthood/

    In short, this is the classic ham sandwich indictment. Houston is the same city which tried to subpoena Houston area pastor sermons.

    http://abc13.com/news/pastors-sue-mayor-over-sermons-subpoenaed/900044/

  • D. R. Tiller

    Daleiden must be a HUGE liar if he can’t even get his gimmick over in Texas

  • oldman66

    A lot of the commenters here don’t understand how a grand jury works.

    • wasp69

      Oh, I would disagree about that. Apparently, you’re not familiar with the “ham sandwich” standard.

    • Girl who talks with her claws

      The supporters of PP don’t understand how human reproduction works.

  • Pam Kitchen

    Well at least they got it right. Hopefully it will show those that lie and try to do things illegally that sometimes the justice system does work. Planned Parenthood is a good organization that helps women. Try doing some intelligent research people and you would know this.

    • wineskin

      I had no idea abortion is the cool hip thing to do now – I’m always
      behind a trend. Are there group rates if my friends and I get knocked
      up at the same time and want to have an abortion party, like going to a
      spa…and for a keepsake they send you home with the aborted baby. Good
      times.

    • wasp69

      Planned Parenthood is a good organization that helps women.

      The victims of Dr Kermit Gosnell were not available for comment.

  • fishydude

    I’m guessing the indictment will be thrown out on appeal since it is pure BS. The DA very likely presented a case in a way as to get the result he now has.
    The medias is protected by the first amendment when they do under cover investigations.
    Why wasn’t 60 minutes prosecuted for soliciting sex on line? Because it was investigative reporting.

    • oldman66

      Real investigative reporters are not allowed to break the law to do their job. Real journalists have to obey the law. And, by the way, the DA is a Republican.

      • wasp69

        Real investigative reporters are not allowed to break the law to do their job. Real journalists have to obey the law.

        You mean like David Gregory and possessing an illegal, 30 round magazine, in the city limits of Washington, DC? Did you mean that kind of “real investigative reporter” and “real journalist” obeying the law?

        • oldman66

          You mean the one that gun nuts had a wet dream over, hoping he would be prosecuted? Which he wasn’t?

          • wasp69

            You mean the one that gun nuts had a wet dream over, hoping he would be prosecuted? Which he wasn’t?

            I mean the “real journalist” that broke the law to “do his job”.

            It’s nice to see you admit your standards are on a sliding scale when it comes to your politics. Not that I expect any type of intellectual honesty, or consistency, from someone who clearly has none.

          • oldman66

            Your standards are OK with someone who invents a phony group, falsifies their identity, invents and edits videos to incriminate an organization which has helped women for decades, and gets indicted for doing it. And then you compare them with a journalist who openly (not secretly) holds a magazine (with no weapon) on national television. Is that your concept of ‘intellectual honesty? Wow. I’ll pass.

          • wasp69

            Wow. I’ll pass.

            I don’t blame you, this isn’t a discussion that would end well for you if it were to continue on it’s current track.

            I’m not some talking point spewing hick, oldman, despite whatever mental image you have of me.

            Your standards are OK with someone who invents a phony group, falsifies their identity…

            I wonder if your outrage was as righteous when “To Catch a Predator” was still airing?

            invents and edits videos to incriminate

            To validate the assertion which has been spoonfed to you, I would have to:

            A. Discount the actual words of the Planned Parenthood officials who were selling body parts (especially the cackling witch that wanted the Lamborghini).

            B. Not watched the posted, and unedited footage in its entirety.

            C. Accept wholeheartedly Planned Parenthood’s “investigation” and “analysis” of the videos which went through some pretty demented twists to reach their preconceived conclusion.

            D. Take the word of an organization looking to keep its place at the taxpayer feeding trough.

            Sorry, oldman, I can read and think for myself.

            an organization which has helped women for decades

            Anything Planned Parenthood does beyond birth control and killing the unborn are limited to referral services; don’t try to fool anyone other than yourself, oldman.

            And then you compare them with a journalist who openly (not secretly) holds a magazine (with no weapon) on national television.

            Congratulations, oldman! You have just admitted that your “real journalist” was in possession of an illegal magazine, without permission, and in violation of DC law!

            A crime that carries up to a $1000 fine and one year in jail. A crime, I might add, that an Army Veteran (James Brinkley) was arrested and jailed for while your “real journalist” was let off without so much as a wrist slap.

            Again, you manage to make excuses in favor of your politics and have the nerve to excoriate me for your failings to apply even the scantest of critical thinking?

            “Wow”, indeed…

          • oldman66

            The District Attorney in Washington decided, in view of the circumstances, not to charge David Gregory. The District Attorney in Houston gave the grand jury the ‘evidence’ and they found it pointed in the direction of the phonies, not Planned Parenthood. Georgia, South Dakota, Missouri, and Massachusetts have found the videos to be BS. I am curious; how many more states need to reach the same conclusion before you recognize someone’s ability – besides your own – to render judgement?

            By the way, I was a Young Republican supporting Barry Goldwater in college, voted for Reagan and George H. W. Bush. Since then, I can’t help but notice how the GOP has fallen down – drunk on fanatical religious fervor.

  • CarolinaGirl3

    All I needed to hear were the words “Harris County.”

    • oldman66

      How ’bout the words Georgia, South Dakota, Missouri, and Massachusetts?

      • CarolinaGirl3

        What about them?

        • oldman66

          They are four of the states which have already investigated the Planned Parenthood videos. They all found PP not guilty of breaking the law.

          • Seriously?

            Law and morality are not the same thing. Now, go back to chanting: “no justice, no peace,” while doing a fist pump.

          • wasp69

            Have you figured out the differences yet, oldman?

      • wasp69

        How ’bout the words Georgia, South Dakota, Missouri, and Massachusetts?

        “How ’bout” you tell the rest of the class the differences between those states and Texas?

        • oldman66

          No difference. They all found Planned Parenthood not guilty.

          • wasp69

            Oh, c’mon, oldman, you can do better than that. Surely you can think past that bumper sticker canard and tell us the difference between the states you named and Texas…

  • wineskin

    All this does is ensure a Republican victory come election time.

  • Wilber

    The system is backwards, just watch the videos and these video showing doctors telling what they are actually doing with babies they abort.

  • thinkuno1

    ILLEGAL immigrants get to stay collect benefits with no repercussions and may not pay any taxes but, big BUT & possibly illegal, concerned citizens for the sanctity of LIFE and misuse of tax dollars, expose societal demise of KILLING heart beats, prolonging in vitro life to get BETTER QUALITY of HUMAN body parts, legal or not, should be exposed for the sickness that it is. FACT: PP sells fetal tissue & makes a profit from it! That is fact.

  • Johnny_Layabout

    If you don’t know, only the grand jury and the prosecutor are in the room.Grand juries go where DAs lead them. “Tampering with a government document” essentially means using a fake ID. How many illegals with their phonied-up Social Security cards, etc., not to mention under-21 kids trying to buy beer, do you imagine have been indicted in sanctuary city Houston for second-degree felonies?

  • Steve Muckler

    Isn’t Harris County the home of Sheila Jackson-Lee? Texas is notorious for indicting people for political reasons, see Rick Perry or Tom DeLay whose only real infraction was being Republican. While this development is sad, at trial the laws of discovery apply and who knows what will come out.

  • Seriously?

    This is not too different than the “investigation” concerning the hacking of the East Anglia Climate Research Unit. The “investigation” never looked at the contents of the emails. Instead, the “investigation” was solely focused on how the emails were obtained. Now, Leftists claim that there was no fraud, because the fraud was exposed illegally.

    • JosephP

      Completely untrue. They did indeed look at the content of the emails, and determined that there was nothing in the emails that was inconsistent with the conclusion that global warming is happening as a result of human activity.

      Sorry this conclusion is inconsistent with those that think the phrase “hide the decline” is all that is necessary to prove that the AGW theory is just the result of a massive conspiracy.

      • Seriously?

        You probably don’t even know what “hide the decline” refers to. You also probably believe that the use of the modifier “operational” before “links” means that there were no links between Iraq and terrorist organizations. Please go away, Whatever you paid for your education was too much.

  • Howler63

    This is a good thing folks. it will force Planned Parenthood to disclose every tiny little detail about the fetal tissue program. Who does it, what it costs, what it makes…etc.
    It will shine a VERY bright light on the practice so we can all see what it is and what it isn’t.

    I predict PP will not like the scrutiny.

    • Girl who talks with her claws

      I predict that the unprecedented net of government corruption will keep them safely killing and selling human babies for the foreseeable future unless more people take this seriously enough to do some damage.

  • susandiane0351

    If Planned Parenthood was the focus of the grand jury probe but evidence was instead found against those who made the videos, wouldn’t a new grand jury have to be convenef? Were Daleiden and Merritt put on notice that charges could be also be brought against them? Or was this an ambush?

  • chicagoxile

    Houston, which elected a lesbo-nazi mayor, who demanded to review contents of church sermons that might offend LGBT…Yeah, that Houston…

  • haydon young

    hey all you do-do goody-goody, save the fetus people — Did you know that most abortions are carried out by the patient’s GP and (here’s the kicker), when the patient pays for it, it is called a PROCEDURE. So you never hear about it. However, when a patient goes to a clinic because they cannot pay it is called an abortion. Hmmmm… Something to think about, huh:

    • wineskin

      Kill all the babies!!

    • Girl who talks with her claws

      And yet those who “cannot pay” get charged by PP, while PP pretends to be a charitable organization.
      PP gets $528 million a year from us.
      They give about $20 million straight back to the dem party.
      They kill 327,653 human babies per year according to their own annual report.
      Yes, fetuses are gestating human babies that are alive when they come in the door, and can feel pain by or before 12 weeks.
      Only PP acts like what they do is a charitable service and is proud of how many babies they kill per year.

  • joe human

    The videos were fraudulent, slanderous propaganda. These domestic terrorists deserved to be indicted. They deserve to do jail time. They wasted tax payer money on a frivolous, religiously motivated agenda. At this point, if you are still using language like “organ trafficking” or “baby parts”, you are actively proving yourself intellectually deficient; undeserving of anyone’s attention let alone respect.
    ~
    If you are so resolute on preventing abortions, pass out condoms. Push to have sex education in schools. Work WITH organizations like Planned Parenthood by contributing to the discussion of safe reproductive practices.
    Or, continue down this no-win path of butting heads with the inevitability of progress.
    The choice Is yours.
    Have a Nice Day!

    • wineskin

      All right, all right…so we’ll kill all the babies already…sheesh.

      • joe human

        Thank you, i forgot that one. AMENDMENT:: If you are still using language like “organ trafficking” or “baby
        parts” OR “kill all the babies”, you are actively proving yourself intellectually deficient;
        undeserving of anyone’s attention let alone respect.
        ~
        Look, i get it. You’re not getting your way. Almost everyone gets upset when they don’t get their way. But, your “way” is antiquated, uneducated and exclusionary. As much as you may think you have the right to defend the contents of another actual persons body, you do not.
        But, once again, continue butting heads with the inevitability of progress if you so desire.
        Or.. take all that so-called “Pro-Life” energy and work to abolish the Death Penalty. If Life is your number one concern, work to convert our lifestyles to minimizing the consumption of processed meats. And if it’s the lives of the “younglings” that most concerns you, fight to diminish the influence of organizations like the NRA which have had a lethal stranglehold over the legislative process for decades.
        There are actual people who are dying who could be helped if the energy directed at shutting down health care organizations were more logically focused.

        • wineskin

          Got it. Thanks for shedding the light there. Am I allowed to at least empathize for the plight of the discarded unborn or is that considered too backwards. I just want to be current, modern and hip and all that.

          • joe human

            well, i don’t think you should be concerned with being current, modern or hip. i also don’t think your use of sarcasm will inspire many to empathize or identify with your side of this conversation. Your life.. your choice.
            As for “the plight of the discarded unborn”.. i refer you to my previous statement on language of this nature.
            Still, i’d think you’d be more concerned with the discarded BORN. Those millions of children floundering away at orphanages and other dystopian facilities around this country and the rest of the world.
            I’m not saying your emotions are wrong. i’m simply suggesting that you would serve yourself better by directing that emotion in more productive arenas.

          • wineskin

            Can I not be concerned for both? Is that PC enough? And I’m way past sarcasm.

          • joe human

            once again, why are you concerned about being PC? i’m not PC. I just don’t instinctively want to say racist, sexist, bigoted things. Are you telling me it’s actually hard for you just to be decent? I’m not understanding your frustration at this point.
            You can do and say and think and feel what ever you want. Know one is trying to tell you what to do and feel.
            If anything, the pro-choice advocates are working to keep the anti-choice advocates from telling people what to do.
            ~
            But i’ve no wish to obfuscate the issue. this is a thread about the indictment of a terrorist organization who’s propagandist videos have lead to taxpayer congressional hearings and quite possibly the murder of three parents (one of whom a military veteran) by an anti-choice advocate at a Colorado healthcare clinic.
            I understand that the lies those videos told were shocking and terrifying. But, they WERE lies. Lies that may have cost actual people their lives.

          • wineskin

            I’m the most decent person around; I just don’t want to get arrested for thinking differently than the pro-choice crowd which is what it’s coming to…so whatever you say, which brings me back to – ‘Bring on the Abortions and plenty of them.’

          • joe human

            excuse me. i didn’t know i was talking to the most decent person around. is that an award by committee or did you run unopposed?
            also, i didn’t realize you were using PC as a short hand for pro-choice and not it’s traditionally understood association with Politically Correct. But that’s just me thinking words mean what they mean.
            what’s this, ‘Bring on the Abortions and plenty of them.’ nonsense? i suppose you’re done attempting to have a moderately civilized conversation. so, it is at this point i’m going to have to.. wait for it.. abort from this conversation.

          • Girl who talks with her claws

            According to Guttmacher, we already kill 1.06 million gestating human babies per year. PP does 327,653 a year per their own annual report.
            If you’re using language like “fetus” because you think it makes a gestating human baby into a lifeless, non-human clump, you are being dishonest and vile, trying to keep a barbaric custom alive in a society where birth control, adoptions and bringing a baby home are all convenient options.
            http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/fb_induced_abortion.html

    • LJ Lab

      Good to hear a voice of reason on here when it comes to social issues. Every time i weigh in the usual suspects that spend their whole day on here chime in with the usual attacks. Get called everything from a liberal to a fascist bc you refuse to die on these radical hills with them.

      • joe human

        well, i’m a black man in America, so i’m no stranger to being called names. 😉 And truthfully, no one’s called me any names.. so far.
        ~
        i rarely come into the “Lion’s Den”, but i find it curious that when the videos were shown to be fraudulently edited propaganda that led to taxpayer funded congressional hearings, these anti-choice advocates are somehow shocked that there would be an indictment. They broke the law, plain and simple. This really has nothing to do with their anti-choice agenda. It’s about a domestic terrorist organization inspiring violence like the shooting at the Colorado Planned Parenthood being held accountable for their slanderous, duplicitous rhetoric.
        All we can do is present facts and understand that cognitive dissonance is a real thing. No one likes to be wrong. Especially if they’ve been wrong for a long, long time.

        • LJ Lab

          Well said my friend.

        • Girl who talks with her claws

          Odd, given that black babies are targeted by PP.
          Black people are 13% of the population, but 30% of abortions.
          All in keeping with Margaret Sanger’s vision for the removal of “weeds” from the gene pool.

          http://blackpeopleagainstabortion.org/

  • Anti-Levy

    the Fully Informed Jury Association (FIJA) should be notified..

  • princess luna

    This is not good for the NYT, WaPo, LAT or other media centers that want to use the same tactics to ferret out corruption. Oh yes, BTW, a board member of Planned Parenthood serves in the Houston DA’s office, so . . . . . yeah . . . . . .

  • TSSSW

    One of the prosecutors or their spouse in the DA office in Houston is a member of the board of Planned Parenthood and this prosecutor just informed the DA in Houston of this fact yesterday! I’m sure the Texas Attorney General will figure out what’s happening in this damn hell hole!

  • TSSSW

    What The Hell!!

  • Christopher Michael Moore

    Using the power of government to make a political attack. If I recall correctly, the Democratic Party has been trying to get political power in Texas, and has it in Houston.

    Keep in mind folks. All of those times we hear of political prisoners inside a country, they go through the motions of a trial to make it look good. The democratic party has gone the way of other more known communist organizations in this way. It will only get worse.

  • John L

    Since Planned Parenthood never was selling fetal tissue for profit and these two scumbags who lied by radically editing their video are getting what they deserve, this is PERFECT.

  • JosephP

    The DA that brought the case to the Grand Jury is an elected Republican.

    Can’t people here face the possibility, despite their personal politics, that these two engaged in an illegal fraud in order to unjustly smear Planned Parenthood?

  • Deitwiler

    Can someone provide me with a link to the video forensics performed either by PP or others which show where the videos were edited? I understand that the full, unedited videos are available at the David Daleiden and Sandra Merritt organization’s website (The Center for Medical Progress). Thanks.

    • Quality

      The editing isn’t really relevant. The complete, unedited videos show no crimes committed by PP.

      CMP was extremely dishonest in its presentation of said videos, however. I could show you a video of a man eating a steam and claim it was evidence of cannibalism.You don’t need an edited or faked video in order to mislead.

      • Girl who talks with her claws

        If there’s one thing I’ve taken away from the Democrat domination of the country, it’s that the ends justify the means. Next is “deny, deny, deny”.
        Therefore, you’re a liar, the videos are totally authentic, and either way, if it saves the life of one baby, it’s justified.

        • Quality

          What did I lie about? Don’t blame me because CMP managed to trick you.

  • Mark

    Proverbs 19:5 – A false witness shall not be unpunished, and [he that] speaketh lies shall not escape.

  • Mark
  • ThatBaldGuy

    I’ve watched both the edited and unedited videos. The videos were edited in a deceptive manner to make it appear that the conversations were something other than what they were. That makes the edited videos a lie.
    Did ALL of you miss the day in Sunday School where the Ninth Commandment was reviewed? Pure hypocrisy.

  • N!$MO-Z-Open/Flames

    liberalism is an ideology that only brings death,poverty, and division among the people.
    The establishment republicans are to blame as well.
    We need to clean house and we can start by holding our elected officials accountable.
    Cruz/2016

  • Wendy Allen
  • http://wandererswaysite.wordpress.com Wanderer

    AWESOME! I’m not kidding!

    Seriously, if you thought civil discovery would be fun, just wait until you get the discovery a criminal defendant is due!

    As has been said many times, a grand jury can and will indict a ham sandwich. The charge of illegally procuring tissue could stick to the people Planned Infanticide normally does business with, but in order to convict you have to show intent. Pretty obvious CMP did not actually want to buy baby parts.

    Seriously, the harpies shrieking with glee have no idea what they have done here.

  • Webster

    So, he was indicted for buying body parts. That raises an obvious question:

    Who sold them?

  • foxmountain

    Okay — assuming you buy in to the proposition that legally there could be an indictment for prohibition of the purchase and sale of human organs (which apparently was issued for Daleiden) WHY ISN’T THERE AN INDICTMENT ISSUED TO THE OPERATIVES OF PLANNED PARENTHOOD FOR THE SAME PROHIBITION??

    • Quality

      CMP was indicted for *attempting* to buy human organs. PP never attempted to sell any.

  • Ralph Trout

    PP celebrated here for about 5 minutes…then some of the “Einsteins” realized that some of them will be called to the stand to testify UNDER OATH….they are shaking in their boots…