Inquiring minds definitely wanna know. Especially after this news:

That sounds suspiciously like … a delay:

“The law” is such a fluid thing, you know?

Sad, but true. At this point, we’d be shocked if there weren’t any new changes to the law. Arbitrary delays are now just par for the course.

A couple of questions from the Washington Examiner’s Phil Klein:

NRO’s Charles C.W. Cooke has the answer:

Bingo. And that’s just fine with the Obama White House. There’s definitely an endgame here:

Or maybe it’s as simple as this:

We honestly wouldn’t put it past this president. It’s all too clear that he takes us for fools.

But maybe in the end, we’ll get the last laugh:

https://twitter.com/Matthops82/status/441325453245448192

We can only hope.

  • adnnews1

    Dems just lost the next 2 elections. Unless the Dem nominee goes full throttle in 2016 of getting rid of obamacare

  • nc ✓s & balances

    At what point do the insurance companies go into full revolt? Can you imagine trying to run a business where the rules keep getting jerked around every five minutes.

    This is what happens when you make a Deal With The Devil.

    • Stephen L. Hall #NonquamTrump

      Never so long as Obamacare insures profits for the insurance companies . . . at public expense. Corporate welfare at its finest.

    • Lienathan

      It’s impossible for an insurance company to operate with any confidence in an arbitrary regulatory environment like this. I suspect some may simply continue cancelling the so-called ‘junk’ policies and premiums will most likely increase due to the uncertainty and the overhead in dealing with the changes.

    • http://lordfoggybottom.com/ BlahBlah

      But this is what I don’t get – the “junk” plans are cancelled. They are gone as in gone. How can the insurance companies bring them back now? So what is this delay for?

      • CHHR

        The delay is for those in the queue to be cancelled during the flipping election cycles… this is so POLITICAL it isn’t funny.
        In the meantime, the gov’t says eff you to all those that have had their lives upended. To the point of bringing out the big guns to threaten legal action for even speaking about the difficulties we face.

        • http://lordfoggybottom.com/ BlahBlah

          Oh OK. I think I get it – it’s for those who managed to renew before the deadline. But what with some 5 million that are already given the boot? That cannot be fixed unless it’s repealed, yes?

          • CHHR

            that’s a tricky question. Plans are cancelled at the state level. In order to get any policy right now, they needed to be “compliant” with ObamaCare… if the law is delayed, the old plans are gone, but gaining a “non-compliant” plan is now not possible since they were already stricken from the insurance company product list.
            If the law is ever repealed, they will have to deal with what would be “compliant” in whatever they replace the law with. Until then, we sit in limbo.
            The good news is I’ve found two insurance companies that refused to play the ObamaCare nightmare game… I posted the link to a site earlier… those plans remain legal and are much less expensive than ObamaCare. In fact, it seems some 3 million of us cancelled were able to acquire a plan that way… yes, in case you were wondering, that also means a net loss for the law to date. Cancelled 6+ million and only 3+ million may have entered the exchanges… we don’t know that either since HHS refuses to release those numbers. I personally know folks choosing to pay the penalty too.

          • http://lordfoggybottom.com/ BlahBlah

            Thanks, this is what I thought but wasn’t sure I got it right.

            I am choosing to pay the penalty. I refuse to enter that nightmare.

          • CHHR

            go here… compliant and much less expensive…

            http://csteventucker.wordpress.com/

          • http://lordfoggybottom.com/ BlahBlah

            Thanks!

    • Informed&Concerned

      The insurance companies are not following the knee-jerk reactions by POTUS. They are marching on . . . BCBS said my plan is “loooong gone” (to use an Ernie Harwell baseball term)

    • CatHerder ✓fire! ✓fire!

      When you sup with the Devil, use a long spoon.

  • Informed&Concerned

    There is a painfully FORGOTTEN POPULATION . . . individuals who have already had plans cancelled (and mine was a PPO through BCBS of Michigan)
    They will not reinstate it — more than 200% increase for comparable plan

    • carla5731

      This really should make every American angry. The government is ripping you off for their own benefit. The law should have been applied as written on everyone–no waivers, exemptions or delays–or not implemented at all.

      • CHHR

        sorry, but unless you’re one of the 6 or so million affected or half tuned in… this means nothing. Until this hits personal wallets, the screams won’t rise above mere background noise.
        HHS said in their regs that some 93 million plans would be affected… so far it’s been less than 1/10 of that… don’t you remember, we’re a “nominal” population… “just a few,” “relatively small part of the population”
        I’ve never felt more minimized as a human being in my life, than by this administration…
        According to the rhetoric, there’s just too much wrong for me to even be worthy of the air I breath.

      • Lienathan

        One would think that people like Informed would have standing in a class action with an Equal Protection gripe or something, but somehow I doubt it would fly.

        • Informed&Concerned

          I called Senator Mike Lee’s office – (Utah) spoke to Pete (asst) Since they were looking (on Greta’s show) for someone with “standing”.

          They said I didn’t have standing until harm happens – and further offered that “many others are in same boat”. I was not comforted in the least.

          • Lienathan

            Yeah, figured as much. In my opinion any American citizen should automatically have standing in a suit vs. the Government. Falls under that ‘redress of grievances’ thing. I’m sure somebody will point out why that’s a bad idea, but for now that’s my story and I’m sticking to it.

  • SJ’s Dad

    So, if I LIKED my plan I can get it BACK now?
    (Asking for a friend.)

    • Informed&Concerned

      NOPE — at least not in Michigan!

      BCBS already handled preexisting conditions – so never a problem here.

    • CHHR

      yea, no… the state insurance commissioners have already weighed in on that… if you already lost it, it’s gone PERIOD!

  • Stephen L. Hall #NonquamTrump

    How can one legally reinstate a cancelled plan?

  • Saito Sama

    Someone take the ouija board away from them.. Please!

    • OLLPOH ~ OurLifeLiberty

      LOL,
      Surely…
      1/ You mean the Saul Alinsky’s Rules for Radicals & Tactics for Community Organizing, don’t you?
      2/ You mean the Black Liberation Theology, James H. Cone Videos don’t you?
      3/ You mean the Prof. Derrick Bell Critical Race Theory books don’t you?

      OLLPOH ~ Our Life Liberty Pursuit Of Happiness
      (Mr. and Mrs.)

  • CO2 Producer

    Yet the uninsured will still be penalized. Or will that be delayed by royal decree at the 11th hour?

    • CHHR

      Well… let me tell you, from the trenches, how that one works.
      When our plan was cancelled, of course the ins company had a fully “compliant” plan they could slip us into at double the premium, more than triple the deductible, and a little more than double the co-pay and all with out our hospital and doctor in the network. I declined and sought my own coverage elsewhere outside the exchanges. Just last week, we received our certificate of credible coverage with a nice note… “due to the lapse in coverage, a “penalty” will be assessed unless (we) could provide proof of credible coverage elsewhere.”
      So far, yes, we’re still being penalized for a law destroying the plan we’ve had for the last 25 years with no interruption.

      • CO2 Producer

        Beautimous. #getpenalized

    • Informed&Concerned

      Apparently we will still be penalized.

      Truly, I live off savings (no earned income to tax) — so how can I endure taxation w/o representation. I can’t pay more than $1200 per month for same PPO I had before.

      • CHHR

        go to this site… great plans, good rates.

        http://csteventucker.wordpress.com/

      • CO2 Producer

        I can’t pay a fraction of that per month without it affecting my bottom line. It’s a good thing I’m relatively healthy right now.

  • CHHR

    I know I for one am glad he’s managed to delay a law I was subjected to and have already had my plan, hospital, and doctor cancelled… with no road to return. Sure makes my life stable and complete now, thanks POTUS.

  • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FmSIOoy6MlE&app=desktop Booker

    “It’s so good we’ve gotta postpone it.”

    • Chevypowered

      We have to absorb the awesomeness in small doses.

  • WhoDat

    Not a fan of the arbitrary nature, but at least those who did get cancelled can keep their plans, for now.

    • CHHR

      Bite me and get a clue!

      • OLLPOH ~ OurLifeLiberty

        LOL!!!!!!!

    • Chevypowered

      You sound disappointed?

    • ceemack

      I hate to use something as daunting as logic, but if you’ve already lost it you can’t “keep” it. “Getting it back” would be the only logical option.

      Except that most of those who were cancelled–like me–can’t actually GET their old plans back. Not until 2015, anyway.

      • tops116 ✓Quipper

        Ah, but as liberals would argue, “Your plan was a junk plan, so shut up.”

        • CHHR

          so much so, that, unless you’re of the “relatively small part of the population” that was already cancelled, you can KEEP YOUR DAMN JUNK PLAN..
          Man, I’m so friggin pissed!

    • carla5731

      No, many of the state AGs have already said that they have to follow the law as it was passed, so plans that were cancelled will not be reactivated.

    • tops116 ✓Quipper

      Y’know, if Democrats hadn’t rammed this boondoggle down America’s throat, those plans never would’ve been cancelled in the first place.

      • Hey, That’s Pretty Good

        If the Dems had put more thought into it than “let’s make a healthcare law with Messiah’s name on it and not even read it before passing it!”, maybe it wouldn’t be the mess it is.

        • CHHR

          you’re assuming they planned on it working to begin with… if that were true, they would have read it since it passed and allowed some of those many amendments the GOP presented over the years to be passed.

          • WhoDat

            If I remember correctly, there were some amendments from the GOP in the law. The Grassley Amendment, for one.

          • CHHR

            yes, those that were affecting the law immediately and democrats needed immediate correction… such as for the 1099 BS.

            Get it, they’re delaying those parts of the law that affect them in the polls… and not until they do. How’s that for integrity and commitment to their oaths?

    • Hey, That’s Pretty Good

      But they need to remember that your Messiah is still going to take their plans, and everyone with employer insurance’s insurance away. Obama can delay it all he wants, doesn’t make it any more popular, and doesn’t change the fact that millions more will lose insurance once the employer mandate kicks in.

      And why would you want those people to keep those plans? I thought you said they were “junk.”

      • WhoDat

        Many of those companies who will be required to offer insurance under the mandate never offered it before, so people won’t be losing their plans. They’re either be paying for new insurance or unemployed, depending on how the employer wants to deal with it.

        My insurance went up about $4 a week this year. It’s was going up about $3/week every year prior to ACA.

        • CHHR

          you really don’t get it do you?
          93 MILLION plans are estimated to be affected… that “many employer’s” statement is complete BS… if they don’t have plans in place, they’re employees are ALREADY subject to ObamaCare and they’re employer is delayed…
          HOWEVER employers who currently provide insurance coverage won’t be affected until 2016… so jack asses like yourself aren’t required to get up to speed… just vote another democrat to make sure the rest of us are screwed!
          Good heavens, can you even try to engage more than one brain cell at a time?

          • WhoDat

            If employers who already offer insurance are not being affected, then why am I getting $1.50 ACA fee taken out of my check every week?

          • CHHR

            they’re not being affected with plan design… you know, the plan compliance requirement for offering transgender services to straight folks or maternity care for men… little stuff like that. PLANS are not affected this year, or next year for that matter… not until after the elections. They need time to make sure you fools vote for democrats to protect this POS law.

            That “fee” you’re talking about is a health reinsurance fees… there are several.

            One is part of the “risk assessment system” and is supposed to stabilize premiums in the individual market and is funded by all plans. Although they called it “temporary” covering the years from 2014-2016…don’t expect that to last though, there’s never been a tax the government hasn’t married for life.

            The fees are collected based on a national uniform contribution rate (a flat fee per member for fully-insured and self-insured plans). In aggregate, ACA dictates the amount of the assessment as $25 billion over the three years ($12b in 2014; $8b in 2015; and $5b in 2016). The proposed annual fee per enrollee in a plan for 2014 is $63.00.

            ObamaCare also establishes a Patient-Centered Outcomes Research Institute (PCORI) that is charged with identifying the effectiveness of various forms of medical treatment. The Comparative Effectiveness Research Fee (PCORI Fee) is another temporary fee (2012-2019) imposed on insurers and self-insured. The monies collected from the fees are used to fund research on the effectiveness of medical treatments and prescription drugs. For fiscal year 2013 the law imposes a fee of $1 per covered life. In fiscal year 2014 the fee increases to $2 per covered life and for fiscal year 2015 through 2019 the fee will be indexed.
            Not in the law, but soon to come, the wonderful feds, because of all the special perks they’re offered all they’re buddies have come up with yet another fee… The Exchange User Fee… it will apply to insurers in order to “help fund the exchanges” and they’ve yet to determine the amount of the fee… guess they’re not done valuating the cost of all those political goodies they’ve given out… to everyone but us of course.

            Sigh… and there’s more… the device tax, the pharmaceutical subsidization… bla bla bla.. all while, of course, the employer shared responsibly requirement has been delayed in so many ways that go way beyond wondering why they can or get away with it…
            Aren’t you glad you voted for this crap? I’d like to thank you personally… here’s two fingers in a full on salute!

          • WhoDat

            Great info.

            I believe the only person I ever voted for that had anything to do with Obamacare is Mary Landrieu.

          • Jay Stevens

            So you voted for McCain and Romney instead of Obama?

          • WhoDat

            McCain and Johnson.

    • carmenta

      would it kill you to just admit this has been a complete cluster f*ck from beginning to end? Answer just one question if you would? HOW do people get to keep plans that have been cancelled? Those plans no longer exist, therefore there is nothing for people to keep? Surely, SURELY you can see the blistering idiocy of obamacare and the Dems on this?

      • CHHR

        but, but, receding waters and healing earth by the messiah…
        For those of us who get it, no explanation is necessary, for those who don’t, no explanation is possible.

        • carmenta

          sometimes I find myself wishing I could be like them – I wish I could choose to be delusional and believe in the skittlefart unicorn that is Liberalism…and yet, most days I thank God Almighty for hard work, willing hands and a spirit that is not yet broken!

      • DutyFirst

        And many states are not allowing insurance company’s to resurrect cancelled plans. The State’s are ..gasp shock horror .. implementing the law as written. The Founding Fathers warned against malleable laws as they understood that a society cannot function without stable laws. They also understood that government should be limited.

        “If Congress can employ money indefinitely to the general welfare, and are the sole and supreme judges of the general welfare, they may take the care of religion into their own hands; they may appoint teachers in every State, county and parish and pay them out of their public treasury; they may take into their own hands the education of children, establishing in like manner schools throughout the Union; they may assume the provision of the poor; they may undertake the regulation of all roads other than post-roads; in short, every thing, from the highest object of state legislation down to the most minute object of police, would be thrown under the power of Congress. … Were the power of Congress to be established in the latitude contended for, it would subvert the very foundations, and transmute the very nature of the limited Government established by the people of America.” –James Madison
        Does any of the above sound or look familiar today?

        • carmenta

          scarily familiar. I do believe that if this Congress is going to continually flout the law as written, there will be a growing population that will begin to apply that same principle to its own behavior. Frankly, why should I obey the law (any law) when Congress and the president are held to a different standard? I think some civil disobedience is over-due!

  • OLLPOH ~ OurLifeLiberty

    D. stands for…fill in the blanks…
    ________.
    ________.
    ________.
    ________.

    • Chevypowered

      Can’t fill it in without being banned.

      • CHHR

        yea, neither can I

      • OLLPOH ~ OurLifeLiberty

        Yes. And we didn’t install enough lines, either…!

        • CHHR

          don’t worry, I added plenty more in my head as I tried to figure out how to respond… but I couldn’t find enough “special characters” to make my point, so guess that’s moot 😉

          • OLLPOH ~ OurLifeLiberty

            ;’)…They are so precious aren’t they…./sarc

          • CHHR

            hmmmm let me think……. no, precious wasn’t one of the words I had in mind….

          • OLLPOH ~ OurLifeLiberty

            our same sentiments.

          • Jay Stevens

            ” but I couldn’t find enough “special characters” to make my point,”

            Sure you can. Use the Windows Character Map. There are lots of special characters spread across the various type faces.

  • sandylouwho

    So, Republicans were called terrorists, arsonists, hostage takers, and blamed for shutting down the government for asking for these delays because Obamacare is the “law of the land”, yet Obama is a hero for issuing executive orders to enact all the same delays the R’s requested?

    • CHHR

      you forgot, they laughed at us as they called it “settled law” too.

  • Joshua Embrey

    Sadly, this doesn’t mean shit. These demonic assholes could be punching babies and kicking children, but it still won’t move the meter in elections. Why? Entitled asshole young people who can’t take being told they’re not as perfect as their professors and parents said and Idiots who continue to stay home because the candidate isn’t conservative enough (fuck you, by the way). Per the logic of the latter, they’re ostensibly saying they prefer the chaotic hell we now have.

  • CR

    I have a serious question. How does this even work?
    We signed up for a noncompliant insurance plan in December of 2013 because we wanted to have coverage to avoid a penalty in 2014 (we don’t get subsidies and BO care would have cost us $576/month instead of $92/month for the two of us).
    So my plan that I am currently enrolled in was supposed to be good only until December 31, 2014 because it was “grandfathered” in.
    It hasn’t been cancelled. Will I get to keep it through 2016? Or does this Keep Your Plan rule apply only to plans that people signed up for before some arbitrary date?

    • CHHR

      Yes, as of today, you can keep your “non-compliant” plan through 2016…

      • CR

        Even though I signed up after October 2013 when Obamacare went into effect so it wouldn’t technically be a “grandfathered plan.”

        This is so confusing and stupid. Why have this two-tiered system. If they are changing the requirements for plans, why not just get rid of the mandate?!?!?

        And can people buying insurance now also purchase a non-compliant plan, thereby saving themselves hundreds of dollars per month?!?!

        • CHHR

          you’re voicing my frustration too.

          Grandfathered is moot, the law is delayed.

          Non-compliant is still legal… so save all the $$ you can.

          Try going to this site if you haven’t found a policy yet… I found great rates with a traditional insurance structure costing much the same as I had before. They’re also compliant with the law.

          http://csteventucker.wordpress.com/

          • CR

            We’re happy with our plan. We bought through Golden Rule and we pay $92/month for the two of us, $10,000 family deductible & no lifetime limits. We have the $10K set aside in case the worst should happen, but would only ever use it if there was some terrible accident (we don’t go to doctors, my DH is a chiropractor & we don’t do traditional medicine).

            We just do NOT want to get stuck w/ a penalty of 1 percent of our income. If our insurance is not going to count to avoid the penalty, we’re going to join a Christian health sharing ministry. There is NO NO earthly way I would ever pay $576 for overpriced insurance to cover the cost of insurance for his democrat degenerative voters.

          • CHHR

            Golden Rule is the company that underwrites my policy… my rates were just as good and I am pleased with the network and deductible. I also added accidental insurance, if there is an accident, the deductible will be covered relieving us from that burden too.

          • CR

            I’ll have to look into the accidental insurance for us.
            Glad we both get to keep the insurance we actually like! What a novel concept, allowing people to decide for themselves what product they want to be. It’s almost like we live in a free country.

  • Roto ✓Intentionally Left Blank

    Obamacare 29.0

  • DG

    I still don’t understand how Obama gets away with this. If it’s the new law, he can’t make unauthorized changes to it. Any changes must go through the house and senate.

    Why isn’t he being called on this? Why isn’t he being held accountable for this?

    I don’t get it.

    But then, I respect law. So, what do I know.

    • CHHR

      because they wrote a lot of “flexibility” 4 the HHS Secretary to make “discretionary decisions” into the law… using ambiguous language… until a citizen’s group can be developed with enough standing to sue the feds… there’s nothing they can do.
      The next chance for standing was going to be the penalty… but that won’t be actually assessed until the 2015 tax cycle… at this rate, look for that delay by the end of the year…after the elections of course.

  • http://www.GONINERS.com/ Kristine ✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

    This is just such a frakkin’ joke.

    Can I call up a Constitutional lawyer and sue the President?

    Edit: I actually just started calling around looking for a Constitutional lawyer. Need to start a class action suit regarding the abuse of Executive Orders to circumvent established law.

    Turns out, not easy to find one around here. Constitutional lawyer that is.

    Edit: Found one, he now works for the AG’s office. Sent e-mail anyway.

    Wouldn’t it be great if someone actually took this seriously?

  • GaryTheBrave

    This law authorized collection of taxes to pay for it for 10 years. At this rate that authorization expires before we “benefit” from the law.

    • CableNewsGuy

      That’s how they’ll keep the price tag “down”, collect for services not rendered indefinitely.

    • CHHR

      DING DING DING
      Remember that pesky little word… R E D I S T R I B U T I O N

  • tops116 ✓Quipper

    Remember when liberals were claiming that Obamacare would be an out-of-the-box success? Good times, good times.

    The irony is, they’re basically trying to piecemeal the bill now, but they refused to do that five years ago.

    • CHHR

      that would have required reading the damn thing if they really meant for this to be a “success.” The fact they haven’t in FIVE damn years, tells me all I needed to know.

  • Hotlanta Mike

    The republicans should modify this to fit these democrat delays of the health care law…

    http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2009/POLITICS/09/30/house.floor.controversy/art.grayson.housetv.jpg

    • CHHR

      You mean like this?

      • Hotlanta Mike

        Great job! Can I use it?

        • CHHR

          absolutely… I also have been tweeting it out.

  • Hotlanta Mike
    • CHHR

      This just out on Obama’s approval ratings:

      Approval of Obama among Democrats stands at 71 percent, near its 69 percent record low (September 2013). For independents, 28 percent approve, which is also near the 25 percent all-time low among this group (July 2013). And approval of Obama among Republicans hits a new low of five percent.

      Seems to me those that voted for Obama are having a very difficult time being wrong and are hanging on to their absolutes with all they got…

      • Hotlanta Mike

        Ah yes, the bitter clingers…

        • CHHR

          LOLOLOL… loving that one!

  • Hey, That’s Pretty Good

    Yet more “terrorism” from the White House. Hey, don’t look at me! It was the Democrats last year who talked as if any effort to change, delay, or defund Obamacare was an act of terror. By Obama’s own definition he is a terrorist.

  • socalcon

    You’d think SCOTUS would be able to strike the thing down due to ‘equal protection’. ie. Business/individuals are forced to enter into contracts by a certain deadline (and they do), then the administration delays said mandate. This action creates two classes and therefore unequal protection… idk, jus’ sayin’

    • CHHR

      standing requires actual harm… until the penalty is assessed, there really isn’t standing, but for the standing in limbo waiting for the Damocles sword to drop

      • plumberskid

        Since my old “inadequate” policy has already been cancelled, and I’m stuck with a “new and improved” Obama approved policy that costs twice as much, I’d say I’ve been financially harmed. Does that amount to “standing”?

  • Joshua Embrey

    This is completely off topic, but I would like the opinion of someone else. The girl in New Jersey is disturbing on so many levels. I predict it will get exponentially worse before next month’s final ruling. The feeling in my gut tells me this girl is banging her friend’s dad. Am I crazy?

  • stuckinIL4now

    As if any of the people who already lost their plans can get them back now … oh, and where are Harry Reidickulous and Elijah Cummings condemning this as a political move?

  • Hotlanta Mike
  • Hotlanta Mike
  • j p✓ʳᵉᶠʳᶦᵉᵈ

    I heard that after Sibelius takes a bullet for B.O. this person is a shoe-in to replace her:
    Olga I. Roche

    B.O.s understudy Gov. Patrick has full confidence in her abilities to fix whatever is wrong with the MA system and I’m sure that will be a great model to transmit to the national situation.

  • AZWarrior

    At some point, I think Obama’s actions reach the point of criminal interference with the election process by denying the electorate the benefit of experiencing the results of their previous votes. No shot I know but that is what he is doing.