Oh, bless his heart. He’s gonna break it all down for us:

Excuse us while we bang our heads against the wall.

Nah. He can’t.

Intellectual honesty is so overrated. Hackery is much easier.

We thing so, too. But Chris just can’t seem to understand why we’re not swallowing his bogus line:

Certainly not with Hayes.

But he just can’t seem to understand what made that stupid thing he said so darn stupid:

Mkay, Chris. That’s enough.

  • jmotivator

    Chreestopher must thing before he twits or else he has sun splaining to do.

    • 2ifbyT

      If only his mother had practiced birth control…

  • SpaceRacer423

    So by Chris’s logic, I can sum up the economy debate in a nutshell.
    One political party sees unemployment as a good thing,
    the other not so much.

    • Republicanvet

      One political party thinks 4 Americans killed in Benghazi is no big deal…the other? Not so much.

      One party thinks using the IRS as a weapon against its enemies is the American way…the other? Not really.

      What a dolt!

  • JD

    I fully expect that someday we will find out “it was something in the water at MSNBC” that turned them all into morons

    • Al’s Not So Sad Grampa

      I would argue that they were that stupid before they were employed by MSNBC.

      • http://twitter.com/thetugboatphil TugboatPhil ✓Mate

        They were all employed at MSNBC because they were that stupid.

  • Al’s Not So Sad Grampa

    Here’s the real issue in a nutshell: Is Chris Hayes or Rachel Maddow the man?

    • Republicanvet

      Yes

    • Stephen L. Hall #NonquamTrump

      No

    • Republicanvet

      Maybe?

    • oftenshakingmyhead

      One of them (can you guess which one?) is the man, the other, not so much

    • logicrules

      One of them wants to be, the other (theoretically) actually has the “equipment”.

  • Anyone00

    The more and more I look at things the more it seems there is a large contingent of vocal lefties who are mentally incapable of comprehending any notion that contradicts “All within the state, nothing outside the state, nothing against the state.”

  • Isaac Clark

    The issue here is truly about whether people should have to pay for other people’s birth control. If the argument is that women cannot get birth control unless it’s tax payer funded, then that argument is absurd. Did women not have access to birth control before Obama care? If that’s not the argument them I’m not sure what the heck Chris Hayes is nagging about, because it seems to me he’s got way more than enough straw to make a straw man with his original tweet.

  • Nightvalzin

    Hard to have a “discussion” as they constantly say when whenever you say something, they have their fingers in their ears and saying “La,la,la”.

  • desicon

    Let us be clear what birth control here is. It is not the innocuous thing that one can pick up a sack for a dollar.

    It is the killing of live human in the womb for the sake of convenience. In the whole wide world no sane person celebrate a women getting pregnant because some tissue is growing in her body. It is the soul, legacy, promise of future that they all celebrate. This experience transcends rich, poor, religion, culture and all.

    Some how stupid feminists think they are smarter, that none of that matters just the right to kill the baby should be conferred to them because the baby is inside their body and they have no responsibility how it got there.

    • $19701396

      “Let us be clear what birth control is. It is not the innocuous thing that once can pick up a sack for a dollar.
      It is the killing of live human in the womb for the sake of convenience.”

      That’s not how birth control works.

      • desicon

        So are you saying Obamacare does not mandate paying for abortion? No tax payer money goes for abortion?

        • QueenB

          No, but again desicon, we’re talking about birth control, not abortion or even drugs that induce abortion.

        • $19701396

          You said “Let us be clear what birth control is. It is not the innocuous thing that once can pick up a sack for a dollar.
          It is the killing of live human in the womb for the sake of convenience.”

          That is NOT what birth control is. Birth control prevents pregnancy.

          • TexSizzle

            That’s what it meant originally, but with so many using abortion as a form of birth control, it is more accurate now to say that birth control prevents birth. So abortion is for far too many a form of birth control.

      • Catchance

        Yes, birth control prevents conception. The real issue in the mandate, however, is the abortifacients, such as Plan B, which is touted as birth control. When the woman takes the Plan B pill, either the ‘morning after’ or 3 days later, she doesn’t know if she has a little zygote or not. But if her egg has been fertilized and is on its way to be implanted in her endometrium, Plan B would prevent this implantation, and the embryo would die.

        Many people do not consider it a pregnancy until the embryo is implanted and the woman begins secreting HcG, but to those who consider life to have begun when the egg is fertilized, the prevention of its implantation is abortion. They have the right not to want to pay for someone using something they feel is murder.

        There is also a new pill, EllaOne, which is like a combination of the morning after pill and the RU486 abortion pill. It, too, is touted as ‘birth control’, but it’s toxic to an egg and kills it outright.

        I understand that you really don’t care, but I thought it would be nice for you to learn something.

    • Elizabeth

      I think the issue on this thread is birth control not abortion. Unless you are speaking of women who use abortion as their chosen method of birth control, then I apologize.

      • desicon

        If what is wrong can be thought at multiple levels, this is how it goes.

        (1) Expecting others to pay for ones life style choices is fundamentally wrong.
        (2) Expecting others to pay against their religious beliefs is the next level
        (3) Expecting others to pay against their religious beliefs something that is grotesque as abortion is the worst.

        As for as feminists are concerned they look at abortion as another form of birth control. If every thing fails then it can be aborted. Obama goes one step further and is fine to kill the baby outside the womb in case of botched abortion.

        The term birth control is used to mask the cruelty in the 50 Million “birth control” procedures that has been performed since Roe vs Wade.

  • Fire and Adjust!

    I don’t oppose beer
    I don’t oppose tenderloins
    I don’t oppose nice cars
    I don’t oppose luxury yachts
    I don’t oppose fancy houses
    I don’t oppose contraceptives
    I don’t oppose a great many things………

    and I certainly don’t oppose people buying those things for themselves……….

    I DO oppose liberal douche bags who insist that, if I oppose the government paying for a certain product, then I thereby oppose that particular product itself………….. That is only true when it comes to NPR, Abortions, Sesame Street, and Obama’s vacations………………..

    • Red Fred

      Boom, the internet belongs to you.

  • David

    Isn’t a large part of democrats, Catholic, at least in the North East?

    • http://twitter.com/thetugboatphil TugboatPhil ✓Mate

      In theory. But they were willing to vote for a woman killer, repeatedly, because he was a Democrat.

    • lainer51

      I think so, since Barry won the Catholic vote by 55% and then 50%, which is a mystery to me, considering his late-term abortion stance.

      • Anyone00

        There’s been studies (sorry, I don’t have time to look for them right now) that show there is a pretty huge gap between nominal Catholics and devout Catholics on social issues.

    • TroyGates

      The majority of the Hispanic population is Catholic. Which just boggles my mind, cause they live conservative lives but vote for liberals that are trying to take that away from them.

    • Stephen L. Hall #NonquamTrump

      The religion of socialism trumps any other religious affiliation.

  • journogal

    I don’t opposed birth control at all; don’t know why such a broad brush is painted that if you think a certain way, you must opposed it. I opposed to taxpayer money being used to provide it for others. Do what I had to do – pay for it. I know, such an old idea (yet I turn 40 end of next week) to take responsibility for your one actions when you can whine to the government that it is unfair. Budget, and pay for what is important in your life. Don’t expect others to carry you through. Life is unfair, it is tough – government can’t change that.

    So tired of the constant screeching whine of “you must be against this or that…” No, I am not. I am against government mandating it. Is this what goes on in a free country?

  • Red Fred

    My God, where do they find these people? Hayes just can’t depart from the narrative. It’s like this Chris, there are more pressing needs on the table. Like CA treatment for instance. Put the numbers to the birth control mandate. If you want to have sex, pay for your own contraceptives.

  • therealguyfaux ✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

    Hazy thinks he’s pulling a fast one.

    Of course there are people who are not sure about birth control. And they are saying that, as “sins” go, it’s probably a very minor one as opposed to elective pregnancy termination, and, because there is no already-extant “life” at stake, they’re willing to concede that, OK, you have a right to contraception– only, don’t ask me to pay for it, as it offends my religious belief to do so. You are trespassing on my right of free exercise of religion, and asking me to pay for what amounts to an “establishment of irreligion.” Certainly a fairly plausible Constitutional argument here.

    But Hazy wants to say, in effect, oh, Catholics (of which he is a lapsed version– Irish-Catholic to boot, the worst kind of lapsed!) want to be Dogs In The Manger, and not the Nativity Manger either– they can’t play the game, so they won’t let YOU have the ball. And all the believing types, as we know, are all gun-totin’ Bible-quotin’ Teabagger RWNJ’s. So they must be blocked at every opportunity at any cost, and Hazy’s just the buckaroo what kin do it!

    Am I missing something here?

  • Elizabeth

    How about not wrapping the argument in the religious aspect and just say that many of us object to using taxpayer money to pay for someone else’s birth control? How about this novel idea? Pay for it yourself!

    • Kabong30

      I thought that’s what we were doing?

      • Elizabeth

        Hayes is using the argument that Conservatives are against funding BC because of religious reasons and in many cases that is true. However there are many of us who are not religious and still object to taxpayer funded birth control on general principle.

  • QueenB

    Here’s the issue in a nutshell: One political faction in American thinks women so stupid, weak and helpless they can’t figure out how to pay for their own birth control. The other has more faith in women.

    FIFY there Chris.

  • Right Wired ✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

    Please tell me that while I’m schlepping away that this job, and this guy is not actually getting paid to say these catastrophically stupid things

    Please.

    • NRPax

      Have a seat Right Wired; we need to talk about a few things that are going to be painful for you to hear.

  • Stephen L. Hall #NonquamTrump

    Politics by second grade logic!

    • mike_in_kosovo

      By strawman argument, belike.

  • Pat Loudoun

    It’s absolutely maddening to try and figure out whether the jackasses on MSNBC actually believe what they say.

    They are that stupid.

    • $84598387

      I want him to bring on ONE conservative who says they do not think people should be taking birth control as a manner of law. Morals perhaps but not law.

      He could never find one.

      • Pat Loudoun

        Even on the morals angle. I know no cons who care if Buffy is on the pill or if Bieber wraps it up.

        Msnbc knows all of this. They’re just fundamentally dishonest. Pisses me off…

        • $84598387

          fundamentally dishonest

          Thanks, that is the description I couldn’t think of.

  • schveiguy

    I had thyroid cancer, and had my thyroid removed. For the rest of my life, I have to take a pill to make up for the hormones that my thyroid would normally produce. For the rest of my life.

    It costs $30 for my copay, every month. If I don’t take it, my metabolism will slow down, and I will be in rough shape. Why is it more important for Sandra Fluke to have unprotected sex than it is for me to function as a normal human being?

    Nobody has any problems with a person’s insurance paying for birth control on principal. We have a problem with it being free. It’s nothing but a bribe, and I have no idea why leftist women don’t see that.

    • Stephen L. Hall #NonquamTrump

      What makes you think that leftist women don’t see that?

      • schveiguy

        Honestly? I think a lot of them think it’s their right, not a bribe.

        • Stephen L. Hall #NonquamTrump

          I think a lot of them know it is a bribe . . . and they’re okay with that.

          • R.C.

            I have a liberal friend that believes it is part of “healthcare” in which we are all now entitled in this “advanced” society we now live in.

    • $84598387

      Look into the cost of drugs we pay for for homosexual HIV patients. THOUSANDS of dollars a month.

    • St Reformed

      Sorry. Unless you’re a Democrat voter with your hand out, you don’t count.

  • aztectrumpet

    I’m signing in to my twitter right now(which i never use) to reply this: One political coalition in America thinks that birth control can be a good thing, but that it is the individual’s responsibility to pay for it. The other likes to lie about the first groups positions.

  • Hotlanta Mike
    • St Reformed

      See the gnome in red on Obama”s right? That’s Sen. Barbara Mikulski (D; MD)
      I’m a refugee from the People’s Republic of Maryland, and
      this reminds me of an old (but true) tale of Mikulski: Maryland is a deep blue one-party state; therefore the only election of consequence is the Democrat primary. One year, a young Democrat named Deb Freeman decided to oppose Ole Babs. The slogan she used on many posters in Baltimore City? “Vote Straight Democrat–Vote Freeman!” Draw your own conclusions.

  • Michael Rice

    Here it is in my nutshell…One party thinks other people should pay for it. The other party thinks everyone should pay for their own.

    • $84598387

      THAT is the issue to everyone I have spoken to about this. Left and right.

  • $84598387

    I DESPISE the progressives misuse of the language and the facts. I despise as well the conservative lack of push back.
    I am not against birth control at all. I object to paying for someone elses when I am also paying for my own. Noting more nothing less. If we cannot get that news out and have it fully understood, we as conservatives are a bunch of losers destined to live in fascist progressive ruled lands.

    Does anyone here think as Rachael in drag says you do? Does anyone really object to women or men paying for their own birth control?

  • $84598387

    And YES Chris Hayes, we ARE “invested in defeating the birth control mandate” as you and yours are invested in keeping users of birth control from paying for it directly as they are the patients.

    You betchya Chris. You want it have it, just pay for what you use.

  • Jimni27

    I don’t know about anyone else’s insurance, but now that my insurance “fully” covers birth control, it turns out that after you pay the $100 deductible on it, the price turns out to be exactly the same if I were to buy it out of pocket at Walmart. Yay for free stuff!

    • $84598387

      I can’t wait till I get my Manogram.

  • $84598387

    Chris Hays, Here is a challenge for you. You made the claim ” one political coalition in America things birth control is a good thing. The other isn’t so sure”

    Please, on the air tonight, offer 20 minutes of your show to any conservative who says they do not “thing (sic) birth control is a good thing” as a matter of restrictive law preventing women from legally and easily acquiring any of the birth control drugs approved by the government.

    Since you made the public claim, it is only fair and balanced to allow one of the people you called out, to give their side.

    We will see.

  • $84598387

    Seems that even before the mandate, most women were doing just fine with access and use of birth control. So what the mandate is, is a solution in search of a fabricated problem.

    More than 99% of women aged 15–44 who have ever had sexual intercourse have used at least one contraceptive method

    Some 62% of all women of reproductive age are currently using a contraceptive method.[2]

    • Eleven percent of women at risk of unintended pregnancy are not currently using any contraceptive method.[2]

    • The proportion of women at risk who are not using a method is
    highest among 15–19-year-olds (18%) and lowest among women aged 40–44
    (9%).[2]

    • Eighty-three percent of black women who are at risk of unintended
    pregnancy currently use a contraceptive method, compared with 91% of
    their Hispanic and white peers, and 90% of Asian women.[2]

    •Ninety-two percent of at-risk women with incomes of 300% or more of
    the federal poverty level are currently using contraceptives, compared
    with 89% among those living at 0–149% of the poverty line.[2]

    http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/fb_contr_use.html

    • Elizabeth

      You could have stopped your post at the end of your first paragraph where you nailed it completely! This is a fabricated problem! An issue that hadn’t been an issue since the 1960’s until Herr Obama took office. Totally and completely manufactured to add more division to the country.

  • Bklynnygirl

    The Democrats took away a woman’s right to “choose” not the Republicans.
    The Democrats now “choose” what health insurance and doctor is right for you and your family.

  • St Reformed

    Chris Hayes & Rachel Madcow may actually be the same person.

    • incorrectchange

      …but which one asexually spawned pajama boy?

  • incorrectchange

    Poor Christopher. Would you be opposed to paying for my guns and my NRA membership? Gun ownership is a right, therefore, you should have to pay for it for me. See how libs differ from conservatives. We don’t come crying for free stuff when we have a right that requires some investment.

  • mbs235

    Certain religious people on the left and right oppose birth control altogether (mostly devout Catholics, which hardly constitute the “right”), and other religious groups oppose abortifacients but not other forms of birth control. Not a left or right issue, it’s a religious issue. The right opposes being forced to pay for others’ birth control. Someone explain that to Hayes.

    • drw

      Sorry, can’t be done. The bubble is impregnable to cogent reasoning and the koolaide blocks the logic receptors. Science has been working for years on a method to defeat these issues in the hope that the country be spared further exposure to the lunacy but alas there has been no progress.

  • Spasmolytic

    Why does Chris Hayes use a picture of Rachel Maddow on his Twitter account?

  • Candice

    I think I found a subject for the “men who look like old lesbians” website

  • Raymond Gaddis

    Chrissie means if u put the facts aside then u would agree with my unfacttul facts

  • Sonus

    Well, in Ms. Hayes’ defense, I remember when Reagan tried to ban condoms, and Bush 41 tried to ban The Pill, and Bush 43 tried to ban IUDs. And then Romney ran on a platform of banning ALL forms of birth control.
    And then the alarm clock went off and I woke up.