Touré said something ignorant? This we’ve gotta see:

As opposed to extending unemployment benefits, which has proven to do wonders for our economy.

Maybe Touré’s onto something. Maybe we’ve been going about this all wrong!


Seriously, though, has Touré ever even read a pamphlet on basic economics?

Here’s your first lesson, Touré:

Bookmark it.



Twitchy coverage of Touré

  • Mr. Michael

    Those same people working 2 jobs have multiple children out of wedlock or are in debt running a lifestyle they cannot afford. Toure is a psychopath. Personal responsbility is dead in America.

    • conservativechick

      That’s not necessarily true in Obama’s America. I know college grads, (especially the WHITE ones) working TWO of those BO created part time jobs.

    • Mark81150 Never/Trump/Hillary

      There is some.. some of that, but most of us in the lower end working class are married and our kids don’t have multiple parentage. The numbers are the median income is what.. 40,000 a year?.. I have worked two jobs.. then one with a lot of overtime.. and my wife works as well..

      This is not a complaint… we did fine,.. and even after I became disabled, my wife still works and we make the same amount pretty much.

      The real problem is the definition of poverty Toure’ uses…

      Poverty to us in the lower working class is not being able to pay the rent, buy groceries, or afford a car.. THAT is poverty. we live within our means, save up to buy things we want, and our kids are not lacking for much.

      In effect we do alright, not wealthy by any stretch, but not desperate either.

      What Toure’ describes isn’t poverty..

      It’s called working for your families needs, and sometimes it’s hard, till you make full time, or find a better job.. but really, if you are making the rent, utilities, have clothes and food, and the cell phones everybody seems to need.. you ain’t crushing poor.

      Tour’e equates working hard….. with being in poverty.

      Tells you a lot about how little hard work he does to make a blanket retarded statement like that.

      We aren’t all affluent college bound like him,.. but the best memories we have in our marriage, are when we both worked, and we had our new born daughter, yeah we worked damned hard, but we had each other, and we were happy, it gets better as you stick to one job and work your way up.. He’s describing those mired in bitter envy and resentment.. Not all of the working class sits around whining that somebody else has more.. but I’ve seen the hours put in by people who make a lot more,.. they don’t escape hard work either..

      A lot of this is just outrage that people if they want more, have to work more…. and they’re bitter about it. More of Tour’e socialism pipe dream.. it will all be better IF…

      no, it won’t,

    • OG_Locc

      Reality is but a mere background whisper for Liberals. Why complicate one’s bele

      The “poor” don’t have two jobs. The BLS record and reports on this exact statistic quite thoroughly.

      How many people actually work two jobs? It’s 4.9% of the work force – and that includes ALL people with two jobs, not just the “poor”.

      Roughly two thirds of the multiple job holders in this country are people with an Associates degree or higher.

      Of the reasons given for people who work two jobs, only 25.6% are doing it “to make ends meet” or pay down debt. So that means less than 1.5% of the workforce is working two jobs to make ends meet.

      The “poor” aren’t working two jobs. It’s that simple.

      • Calcat36

        How many people have had to suffer reduced hours due to 404errorcare?

        How many people have lost their jobs since 404errorcare?

        How many people are fighting the unemployment reduction of money for nothing?

        How many welfare folks are working at all?

        Has Tourets ever been to Detroit?

  • Pope Sparkles (F)

    Toure is the worst kind of stupid. No one becomes rich with handouts. Working/earning is the only way to the top.

    • tjp77

      No one even becomes lower middle class with handouts. Handouts only help keep the poor in poverty by building a culture of dependence and not showing them any other way.

    • JeffyTheQuick

      Working and earning a living does two things:
      1. Keeps you busy for 8-16 hours (no one gets rich working 40 hours/week) a day.
      2. Teaches you the value of money.

      Handouts do neither.

    • Calcat36

      He gets paid to be stupid.

      Out of touch with those he claims to champion for…

  • twinx

    What a horse’s patoot.

    • Ty in TX ✓ᵇᵒⁿᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

      Let me look that up……hunh? It says see: Toure.

      • WisconsinPatriot

        There’s a picture!

  • Steve__Jacobson

    Education, without it person is destined to remain ignorant and in low paying jobs or without a job.

  • NRPax

    Dear Toure,

    Government dependence is not a noble calling.

  • Mr_Popular

    Many sick people now have Obamacare, So Obamacare is an ineffective health program.

  • Canadian in USA ✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

    So…he uses his high paying job to denounce jobs…I’m confused!

    • Mark81150 Never/Trump/Hillary

      socialists are confused like that… but imagine how quick he’d change that tune, if 80% of his income were taken to give to the “poor”….

      These dimwits always think it’ll be those OTHER rich people who have to pay… Democrats like Toure’ simply just cheat on their taxes.. and no democrat voter all fired up about the “evil” rich seem to care, like raging hypocrisy was hard wired into their brains.

  • NeoKong

    Toure needs to remember that not all college drop outs like himself are given their affirmative action job network show where they get paid millions to incite anger, resentment and hate.

    • Maxx

      The fact that MSNBC still employs a man who actually thought scuba divers were in New York City subways says more about the network than it does even that intellectual infant.

  • Garrett Gripling

    All they need is a show on MSNBC.

  • RblDiver

    Hey Toure, go quit your job and tell us how being out of work keeps you out of poverty!

    • trixiewoobeans

      EXACTLY! Pull his cushy “job” (Stooge Apologist) out from under him and we’ll see how his theory works out for him.

  • BoscoBolt

    Yeah, obviously, FREELOADING is the most effective anti-poverty program – which is why obama has spent his entire “presidency” destroying jobs and creating worthless FREELOADERS.

  • John Howard

    No, giving out billions of dollars for decades through a system rife with fraud is an ineffective anti poverty program

    • Onyx

      Absolutely rife, I tell you! Unlike, say, Wall Street.

      • thedumbblonde


      • Michael Rice

        The government runs Wall Street, do they?

      • Noah

        wow, strawman much?!

        do you enjoy answering questions that only you asked?

      • WisconsinPatriot

        Said no-one, ever…….

      • Patriot

        Umm, thanks for sharing, Onyx. You and Toure must be listening to the same voices.

      • 4liberty

        STFU delusional LIAR!!

        • Onyx

          Did you really come back nine hours later to add this insightful comment to yet another thread? It doesn’t even make sense. If I’m lying and I know it, I’m not delusional, am I?

          • tops116 ✓Quipper

            So, you condede that 4liberty was right?

      • Corey Dennison

        Holy crap—what a deflection. John Howard pointed out a problem with the “War on Poverty” and your answer is “Wall Street has a bunch of crooks!”?

  • gold7406

    toure’ wants utopia, instead he speaks from udopia.
    all the dem’s programs have made so many people totally and perpetually dependent. a job may not his answer, but it sure beats any question on reducing poverty everywhere else in the universe.
    next we’ll hear that his solution to reducing poverty is forcing nike to reduce the price of sneakers to $9.95.

  • MartiniShark

    Most notably what Toure does is slam jobs, b ut he offers no alternative as to what he thinks is an effective anti-poverty program. We’ve had welfare for generations and that hasn’t solved his problem. A career meanwhile does have far more opportunity to move up in class.

    Of course, once you do become more affluent Toure and his kind will demean the “black flight” made by those successful.

  • Terry_Jim

    Toure’ : An ineffective anti-ignorance program.

  • Perry

    This dude, err tranny, err whatever, is living proof Affirmative Action is an abysmal FAILURE.

  • $84598387

    Bring the working poor in poverty on your many shows. Show us how many are working 40 hours a week for at least 45 weeks a year. Lets hear straight from them!

  • Clayton Grant

    Dear Tourê,
    The Conservative (not Republican) anti-poverty program hasn’t changed since Lincoln. Work hard, get an education and you too can be successful. It’s called Capitalism and has raised more of the world’s population out of poverty than all other social programs combined! After all, you do pretty well under capitalism spouting ignorant tweets just to get people to watch you blather on MSNBC or teach the “History of Hip Hop” don’t you? You’ve reached your personal ceiling though.
    Conservatives everywhere

    • Eric D. Mertz #NeverTrump

      Increasing Human Capital FTW

    • Onyx

      It’s especially nice because it lets you identify immediately why anyone living in poverty doesn’t deserve any sympathy or help. They’re either not working hard, or they chose not to get an education. So simple and self-contained!

      • Corey Dennison

        Quit your whining.

      • alanstorm

        You got one partly right! Astonishing.

        There are several reasons; you describe 2. Another is the perverse effect of piss-poor governance, such as we’ve experienced for the last 5 years.

      • Clayton Grant

        Sure, that’s exactly what I said, isn’t it.

        • Calcat36

          “It’s especially nice because it lets you identify immediately why anyone living in poverty doesn’t deserve any sympathy or help.”

          Anyone living in poverty can blame themselves and my sympathy will not help them. There is no right for the government to take what I work hard for to avoid poverty, to simply redistribute it to a lazy American/illegal.

          I wonder just how much taxes the troll pays above and beyond in the tax bracket required to help those it whines about. ZERO?

  • Frank Drebin

    $15k annual net puts you in the top 7.91% richest people in the world by income.

  • therealguyfaux ✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

    “So “jobs” is an ineffective anti poverty program.”

    Gun control is an ineffective anti-crime program, but we’re not seeing you just dismissing it out of hand, Subway Scuba Man…

    • Red Fred

      You win.

  • ozconservative

    Rupert Murdochs father Keith was a war correspondent embedded with Australian troops during WW1. Much of what he reported was instrumental in shaping Australian opinion in how the four Australian divisions were to be used on the Western Front. When he came home he became editor of the Melbourne Herald and the rest is history.

    So I would say having a job has been a very effective anti-poverty program for Murdoch family.

  • TocksNedlog

    Hmmm, I wonder what the #1 reason is for a person working two jobs to still be in poverty . . .

    • H50 ✓RAT

      Here it is a glut of career jobs, they are all part time entry level, dead end service industry jobs. No industry (we produce nothing anymore), high cost of living and high taxes.

      • Guest

        “We produce nothing anymore”??
        You know this how?
        It’s obviously not by driving down the “Industrial Parkway” in every town in America.
        Begone, lying liberal.

        • H50 ✓RAT

          Im talking about the state of Hawaii dickwad. Thats where I live and why I prefaced my post with “Here it is…”

          • Guest

            Well, in my defense, without a comma, your sentence was open to interpretation.
            Sorry I interpreted incorrectly.
            In the future, try to use punctuation. It really does help your readers.
            Dickwad? Was that really necessary?

          • H50 ✓RAT

            Yea, the way you came on it was necessary.

            I appreciate the backhanded apology tho. You might want to just skip my posts from now on. My grammar sucks and I dont want to force you to go off half cocked again.

          • QueenB

            Yes. Dickwad was completely necessary because you are totally being one. Be careful, Hana has a toaster and ain’t afraid to use it.

          • H50 ✓RAT

            LOL, I must be on some elitist conservative hit list or something Me. Im having flash backs from last week.
            Its all good tho, have toaster will travel.

          • mike_in_kosovo

            How necessary was “lying liberal”?

          • Guest

            Because the “we don’t produce anything” is a lie that liberals like to promote.
            In small town America, we produce and we produce a lot and we are proud of it.
            Liberals like to say Americans don’t work, can’t work, and working doesn’t produce anything, so why do it?
            I’m sick of the liberal lies.
            And if you say something that sounds like a liberal lie, I’m going to call you a lying liberal.
            But hey, “dickwad” is so much more polite, I’m sure.

          • mike_in_kosovo

            And if you say something that sounds like a liberal lie, I’m going to call you a lying liberal

            And if you say something that makes you sound like a dickwad, you’re going to get called a dickwad. Quit whining about getting back what you give out.

            Edit to add: And a downvote, too? Put on your big boy pants and suck it up, cupcake.

            But hey, “dickwad” is so much more polite, I’m sure

            Checking the person’s comment history before shooting your mouth off directly into your foot is even better….maybe you should try it sometime.

          • Guest

            “Checking the person’s comment history before shooting your mouth off directly into your foot is even better….maybe you should try it sometime.”

            Practice what you preach. Since I’m a woman, I don’t wear “big boy pants.”

            I don’t consider anyone’s past (previous comments) when I post. If you come off like a lying liberal, I will treat you as such.

            Hawaii boy has such quivering sycophant fans. I bet Obama hisself is jelly.

          • mike_in_kosovo

            Practice what you preach. Since I’m a woman, I don’t wear “big boy pants”.

            Actually, I did scan through the first 20 or so entries – I must have missed your references to your gender contained within – care to point them out?

            Nice (failed) attempt at a misdirect, though.

            I don’t consider anyone’s past (previous comments) when I post. If you come off like a lying liberal, I will treat you as such.

            And if you come off like a dickwad, you’ll be treated as such. Funny how you can dish it out and then whine about getting it in return…hypocrite much?

            Hawaii boy has such quivering sycophant fans. I bet Obama hisself is jelly.

            “Hawaii boy” is actually a “Hawaii girl” – unlike yourself, she’s recently made reference to her husband in her posts.

            Strike 3….yer out.

          • trixiewoobeans

            Just apologize like an adult and move on. Most of us have had to do it. A gracious, grown-up apology does wonders.

        • $9844146

          Best bet, check comment history. Twitchy is a fun place with LOTS of good, funny people, especially HanaFiveO. Enjoy.

          • Guest

            Here’s the deal: I’m not going to research someone’s history before I respond. If he sounds like a douche (like Hanna), then I’m going to respond like he’s a douche (like Hanna).

    • Zane Henry

      Maybe it’s the leased Escalade at $500 a month, the 35 pairs of Jordans at $250 a pair and all that weed.

      There are places in this country where a raft of govt. benes can net you close to 40k a year. Of course a job/jobs wouldn’t meet that lifestyle to which they’ve grown accustomed.

  • Isaac Clark

    So I don’t have to work anymore? It won’t help me get out of poverty? Ok Toure, thanks for the heads up. I’ve been doing it wrong all along.

  • kateorjane

    So Toure’s anti-poverty plan is “take more money from those who are working at decent jobs and give it to the poor so they will feel better about their situation.” So let’s drag everyone down to the bottom?

  • Lotte Lenya

    From Rush Limbaugh this morning:

    “The rate of African-American men not in the labor force, the percentage of African-American men not in the labor force, 65.6%. Let’s use the reverse. Thirty-five percent of African men are in the labor force. Now, that does not mean they all have jobs. The 65% is people out of work who have stopped looking. Thirty-five percent of African-American men in the labor force, not all of them are working, but in order to be considered in the labor force, you have to be trying to find a job, you have to be applying for jobs. ”

    So are they better off not working?

    • therealguyfaux ✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

      Yeah. Don’t go to school and learn anything (assuming there would BE anything to be learned there, but I digress), ‘coz den you be ackin’ white. Make sure you go to prison for a penny-ante drug offense at the very least, even if you can’t kick no ass in the street– you still be havin’ SOME cred fo’ bein’ in the joint. Make sure you have too many kids for any garnishee of your paycheck at work to be effective in paying child support to any one of them, if you finally ARE able to catch some on-the-books job for just a crotch-hair more than the minimum wage.

      If nothing else, you will be held up as some sort of hero in your community for being unemployable.

  • louisiana_mom

    Annnnnnd 50 years of handing out government checks has done wonders to poverty…. we have more poor now than when LBJ signed welfare into law!!!

  • H50 ✓RAT

    Id post on the stupidity of Turde’, but really what can I say that hasnt already been said. Hes an idiot saying idiotic things.

  • CBDS

    Why does Turde’ work at all himself? He has it all figured it out with his no work anti poverty program.

    • therealguyfaux ✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

      He works so he can pay more taxes than he really by law has to, in order that he show solidarity with the poor by sharing the wealth, said Guy Faux, with his tongue so firmly planted in his cheek it almost interfered with his ability to speak at all…

  • Red Fred

    Let me explain it: If you plan your life with either college or trade school, typically you are armed with skills that will qualify you for a higher paying job. Fifty years ago when there was no welfare, families cared for their own relatives, and kicked their lazy butts out if they refused to work to bring money into the living arrangement. Which is precisely what would happen today if the govt. would stop paying people for nothing.

  • keyboard jockey

    So when can we expect him to quit his current job? #FireToureEndPoverty.

  • Adela Wagner

    Everybody call in “Anti-Poverty” to work tomorrow. Tell your boss “job be holdin’ me down, man” and we’ll meet back here Thursday for Throwback.

  • frozeninbemidji

    Toure fits right in with the rest of the useful idiots(aka cannon fodder)that believe upward mobility is bad for your health, and the latest study implying that having children makes for unhappy marriages and same sex couples are much happier.

  • Amedicinewoman

    This idiot should lick his bosses shoes clean daily, just for keeping him employed!

  • Lee Strickland

    Well he(ll) let’s just all quit since it’s so much better. And the stupid just get more stupid

  • Marvin Nelson

    Toure is not ignorant. He is is dumb as a box of rocks. Ignorant people can learn; stupid ones cannot.

  • sarainitaly

    Toure and many others tend to ignore *personal responsibilty* and the choices one makes throughout their lifetime. The choices we make from an early age can and do play a major role in outcomes later in life. Decisions to work hard in school, study, work hard to earn scholarships, whether to drink, do drugs, break the law,. Go to college, get married young, have children out of wedlock, get divorced, have affairs…. buy overpriced homes, over extend ourselves with credit card debt. All kinds of choices can lead to working poor or having to work two jobs or more. There are always examples of extenuating circumstances, like someone getting very ill, or in an accident….yet even those situations can be affected one way or another by earlier choices. Crappy schools and crappy parents are also results of choices. It seems to me that liberals do everything they can to excuse crappy choices, and even encourage them… it will only get worse until people realize they have the power to control their lives by making better choices. mho.

    • Onyx

      If parents make bad choices and raise their children poorly, helping those *children* neither excuses nor encourages those bad choices. Children born into poverty do not have the same opportunities as children that aren’t. That doesn’t come down to any lack of “personal responsibility” on their part, does it?

      • Corey Dennison

        Since when did the United States adopt a permanent caste system? You do know that people move upward all the time, right? If one is born poor in this country, there is nothing keeping them that way.

      • journogal

        Really? Many who have pulled themselves out of poverty disagree with you. But then again, you don’t care about facts, you want government to provide everything at the cost of the taxpayers.

      • sarainitaly

        Personal responsibility on the parents part, yes. As for the children, personal responsibility plays a role as well. Some kids come from poverty, but choose to work hard, study hard, stay away from drugs, and set goals to get out of their situation. Some kids born wealthy choose to be major f*ckups, don’t study, get hooked on drugs, don’t go to college, etc. Parents play key roles, whether poor or rich, in the outcome of their kids, especially in the early years. You can be poor as dirt, but have parents who want their kids to do well, make them study, stay out of trouble, etc.

  • DC is Evil

    Who is this Toure numbnuts? Is it short for Tourette’s? I am not sure this guy could even think his way out of a phone booth.

  • FlatFoot

    Meanwhile, in AMERICA

  • ashknothole

    Idiocracy. The only thing that movie got wrong was the date.

  • Hi This Is My Username

    Why do we even bother with morons like this?

  • Bathing Suit Area

    Every time there’s a thread about the minimum wage, you guys keep yelling about how these jobs aren’t supposed to pay enough to live on.

    Now you act like it’s the height of idiocy to suggest that they’re not getting the working poor out of poverty.

    • mike_in_kosovo

      How do you know the jobs being referred to are minimum wage?

      • Bathing Suit Area

        “Many in poverty are working poor w two jobs.”

        I somehow doubt he’s referring to CEOs here.

        • mike_in_kosovo

          Interesting world you live in, where you’re either minimum wage or a CEO.

          • Bathing Suit Area


            Sorry, I forgot that I need to spell everything out for you.

          • mike_in_kosovo
          • Bathing Suit Area

            Did you just Google up a list of fallacies and pick one at random, or is that supposed to relate to anything?

          • Corey Dennison

            Said the (foreign) moron who made his idiotic statement above about people being either minimum wage earners of CEOs.

          • Bathing Suit Area

            Quit trying to put words in my mouth, eh?

          • mike_in_kosovo

            It directly relates to your false assumption that those people are only working min wage jobs.

            That wooshing noise you hear so often? Those are the points of the conversations flying past your head.

          • Bathing Suit Area

            If someone is working two jobs and still in poverty, they’re either at or very close to the minimum wage. Is that really such a crazy assumption?

          • mike_in_kosovo

            Or they live in a high cost area or blowing it as fast as it comes in…assume much?

          • Bathing Suit Area

            Sorry, I forgot that poor people are only poor because they’re idiots who throw their money away.

          • mike_in_kosovo
          • therealguyfaux ✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Of course, in order to determine whether the working poor are barely able, if at all, to pay their bills by working a minimum wage job is also a function of the cost of living where they live, some of their personal habits, how frugal they can be, whether they may have family commitments, etc, etc– some people in some areas, who do not smoke or drink, who do not buy brand-name merchandise, who are not sending some number of bucks home to Guatemala, etc etc, may be doing slightly better at the minimum than some others who are making a few dollars more/hr somewhere else, but behaving differently, and not saving every dollar.

            Tell me, BSA– how is it that you manage to get through life without a brain?

          • tops116 ✓Quipper

            “Sorry, I forgot that I need to spell everything out for you.”

            Well, when you don’t actually bother to explain your point in the first place and then make ridiculous claims like “only minimum wage job or CEO–that’s it,” yeah, you’re kind of expected to explain things.

            Though I understand your resistance to explaining your “point.” If you were capable of rational thought in the first place, you would’ve found a way to respond to Eric’s lengthy post instead of ignoring it in the hopes that it would go away and not destroy whatever semblance of a point that you claimed you had.

          • Eric D. Mertz #NeverTrump

            Thank you for that. I remember debating this subject in High School Debate and Student Congress. I won every time by trotting out those facts…

          • bicentennialguy

            It only wishes it could be a CEO.

    • Spinmamma

      BS. who ever said low paying jobs alone will get people out of poverty? Many immigrants worked low paying jobs so their kids could get an education and skills, which are the real way out of poverty. I, for one, worked many minimum wage, and lower, jobs while I got my own education.

      • Eric D. Mertz #NeverTrump

        Along with 62% of those on minimum wage at any one point and time…

    • Eric D. Mertz #NeverTrump

      First, we are talking roughly 4.7% of all hourly wage employees and 2.8% of all employees across the board. Down from 13.4% and 7.9% respectively in 1979. And this number was going down before the 2008 economic collapse.

      Second, this is not some monolithic block.
      25% of those on minimum wage are under the age of 19
      50% of those on minimum wage are under the age of 25
      75% of those on minimum wage are in low-skill service industry occupations, typically beginning positions before being promoted to a better position in the company
      79% of those on minimum wage are part time employees
      62% of those on minimum wage are students (including grad students) who are working part time after school
      22% of those on minimum wage are at or below the poverty line (this includes students in high cost of living areas who are no longer part of their parent’s household but still receive financial support in some manner)
      68% of those on minimum wage live in households earning 150% the poverty line
      5% of those on minimum wage are married
      18% of those on minimum wage earn between 1/2 and all the household income (again, includes students not in parent’s household but still receiving financial assistance)
      42.9% of those on minimum wage live in the suburbs
      29.9% of those on minimum wage live in rural areas
      8.1% of those on minimum wage are seniors supplementing their retirement income

      And, while I don’t have the numbers in front of me ~75% of those on the minimum wage get a raise and a promotion after six months in occupation, and ~90% get a promotion before the start of their second year of occupation. The turnover rate among minimum wage employees is very high because it is a training wage for those still earning the human capital they need to move on to a better job.

      There is a proven inverse relationship between an increase in the minimum wage and a decrease in the number of people between the ages of 16 and 25 with an income according to data from the BLS. Sadly, this affects young minorities the most, as they are more likely to come from backgrounds which are not conducive to developing human capital…

      The biggest beneficiaries from a minimum wage hike is not the 10% of people currently on the Minimum Wage who will still be on it ~365 days from now, its the unions who will see an automatic wage increase due to contracts which are multiples of the minimum wage.

      • Corey Dennison

        Ouch–those facts are gonna leave a permanent mark on BSA’s over-sized, sloping forehead.

      • bicentennialguy

        You’re hurting its feeble mind with facts.

        • Eric D. Mertz #NeverTrump

          I’m more than willing to debate the need for a minimum wage hike. I’m even willing to play devil’s advocate and argue in favor of it if no one else is willing to do so – High School debate trained me well, I am something of a sophist – so we can make sure we are doing the rational, economically sound thing to help the most people. I just want it to be based on facts and logic, not strawmen.

          One should NEVER tilt at men of straw when having a debate, it may well be a windmill in disguise.

          Huh…does that make me Don Quixote’s windmill?

    • John Thomas “Jack” Ward III

      The MINIMUM WAGE is ENTRY-LEVEL Pay for those starting in employment, or those who start over on a new Job. From there, they can stay with their current employer, as long as they can, and get raises/promotions, get a job and start over at a rival business (And get minimum wage again, until they’re promoted), or get recruited by another company that pays better once you’ve learned some skills. Understaaaaaannndddd? Jawamax 8<{D}

  • geronl

    Nancy Pelosi thinks unemployment boosts the economy, so I guess we should all be unemployed and see how that works out.

  • dwsmokin

    I always wanted to work in television-but apparently my IQ is too high. This guy is freakin’ nuts!

  • LegalizeShemp

    Liberals have been mistakenly taught that welfare “lifts people out of poverty” a total lie, it locks people into poverty, forever.

    • louisiana_mom

      In 50 years, welfare has not lifted one single person out of poverty… in that same 50 years, working has lifted millions out of poverty… I know, many of my family members have worked themselves out of poverty!

      • Onyx

        That’s nice, but to say that welfare has never lifted someone out of poverty is absolutely insane.

        • bicentennialguy

          By definition, welfare cannot lift anyone out of poverty. It’s not enough of an income to put anyone above the poverty line. The only way it can is to abuse multiple welfare programs. Welfare is a helping hand when times get tough, not a source of building wealth.

        • Eric D. Mertz #NeverTrump

          Poverty was on the decrease before the “War on Poverty” began. It hasn’t changed from the level it was at when the War on Poverty began.
          Nicely done LBJ…

  • desicon

    Ignorance and utter shamelessness in exhibiting it are the two pre-requisites for hiring at MSNBC.

  • Recon5

    Why is he still talking?

  • bunny06

    99.9 % of blacks and the word work do not go together.

    • Bathing Suit Area

      Wow. You guys aren’t even trying to be subtle about racism anymore.

      (Yeah, I know, I used the R word which makes me the boogeyman/super-hitler.)

      • therealguyfaux ✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

        Were we supposed to clutch pearls and swoon after being called racists? We don’t do that sort of thing any more– we’ve built up an immunity to the word by constant exposure.

        • Onyx

          That’s kind of what BSA was saying. You no longer mind being accurately described as racist. So, congratulations, you’ve leveled up: you’re now *openly* racist.

          • Corey Dennison

            Yeah…because one person made a questionable statement above, we all get smeared for it and called racists. So, congratulations, your a race-card flopping idiot.

          • Bathing Suit Area

            Who said anything about you?

            Bunny said something straight up racist.
            I pointed it out.
            You (and a bunch of others) swarmed in here to complain about my comment.

            Why are you so opposed to people pointing out racism if not to defend it?

          • Corey Dennison

            I draw your attention to your original retort: “Wow. You guys aren’t even trying to be subtle about racism anymore.

            I’m opposed to idiots like you smearing everyone on this board because one person said something.

            You don’t get to play innocent when your own words are still hanging around up-thread.

            You’ve really got to start trying harder.

          • PatriotRG

            Speaking for myself racism is simply not the worse thing a person can be. To you and your skewed moral compass it is the epitomy of evil. Its not.

          • therealguyfaux ✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            No, we just don’t care anymore– because this word, “racist”– you keep using it indiscriminately, so to speak; I do not think this word means what you think it means. You are stupid– I don’t know if you mean to show it, but you do. We can hide being “racist,” but you can’t hide being stupid. (And sadly, YOU can’t fix “stupid,” either.)

          • PatriotRG

            Well the problem is factually 99.9% is wrong you have a point there but the real problem is you would still have called bunney06 a racist even if for example he gave a perfectly accurate statistic of black unemployment Its not the 99% that bothers you (which is wrong) its the fact any one dares mention any stats to do with black people. For example 47% of the murders in the USA are commited by black people. Who only make up 15% of the population. I would guess you would call me a racist for quoting this very factual stat. Or that black on white crime is 7 x more than white on black. Or that blacks killl each other in huge numbers. All of these actual facts are correct but to you I’m a racist for mentioning them yes ? You see the left have made facts and statistics racist – thought control.

          • Onyx

            Statistics are fine. Someone isn’t a racist for mentioning statistics about black people. But you can often find statistics that seem to support your existing point of view. For instance, you say that “black on white crime is 7x more than white on black”. While that may be a fact, you’ve chosen that particular comparison to support the claim that blacks are more criminal. It’s equally true that a white person is 6x more likely to be murdered by another white person than by a black person. That doesn’t support your argument, so you leave it out.

          • PatriotRG

            You are missing my point. Off course its likely white people are killed by white people and black people by black people. That is obvious and the stats show that. The point is black people on the whole as a proportion of the population are more violent. Its a simple fact. The point is white on black crime is very rare and black on white crime is much more prevalent. Also blacks are 15% of population and are responsible for 45% of the murders. Do you have any idea what that means ? Blacks kill more people as a proportion of population than hispanics + asians + whites.

          • Onyx

            No, I get your point. Using those statistics to argue that black people are *inherently* more violent is the problem; they don’t show that at all. The reason that black-on-white crime is more frequent than white-on-black crime, for instance, is that the average black person encounters more white people than vice versa; it’s as simple as that. You’re mixing up correlation with causation… being black isn’t what *causes* the increased rate of violence. It is, however, correlated with some of the actual root causes: poverty, unemployment, high population density, etc.

          • PatriotRG

            I didn’t say inherently – I said they are in actual fact killing more because the stats show that. I’m not saying why black people kill more I will leave the apologist routine to you. I don’t know why they kill more and to be honest neither do you. You would much rather make excuses. Although I notice we are now agreed on that obvious fact and are discussing the excuse as to why they kill more. I certainly do not think melanin in ones skin makes one kill more that is foolish. Your excuse of saying its high unemployment and poverty though is with all due respect nonsense. There are many more poor white people on food stamps and unemployed for example than blacks. In absolute terms. So by your logic whites would be killing a lot more. They are not. These stats are numbers liberals do not want to confront. The biggest driver I think is simply the disintegration of family 70% of black children out of wed lock. You libs have a lot to do with that. I also wonder if you would be so quick to make excises if the stats showed whites as the bigger killers. Maybe you can explain why Asians who arguably suffer more racism have the highest graduation and college rates and the lowest incarceration rates ? Because Asians have a family structure. The Black community is molly coddled and they have a lower bar of expectation set by the paternalistic liberal establishment. In fact as long as that block vote keeps voting dem why change anything.

      • louisiana_mom

        Oh, you really need to get some new material… here, I’ll help you. These are all the names we have been called in the last 6 years, that did not get us to shut up. Maybe coming up with something new, just might work… this time… LOL!

        enemy, paranoid, greedy, Bible-thumping, gun-toting, fear-mongering, racist, sexist, bigot, birther, redneck, homophobic, xenophobic, global-warming denialists, anti-science, Neanderthal, barbarian, terrorist, hobbits, member of the Flat Earth Society, Nazi, bully, Yosemite Sam hillbilly, beer-toting, pot belly, church going, small-minded, whack-job, Evangelical, gun nuts, wing nut, knuckle-dragger, clueless, Teabaggers, narrow-minded, evil, redneck freaks, judgmental, backwards, sick, anti-intellectualist, slut-shaming, slimebuckets, forced-birther, neocons, Zionist, neo-Confederate, wild nasty hard-right fringe, extremist, wacko birds, bitter clingers, misogynist, you suck, Obamaphobic, chirper, white nativist, crazies, creepy azz cracka, unpatriotic, white grievance, dumb, cracker, white devils, rabid, squealing political pigs, anarchist, fanatics, extortionists, lemmings, gangsters, murderers, banana republicans, fakers, ideological crusader, Cruzites, anti-government idealoges, fraud, Taliban, arsonist, suicide bombers, suicidal lemmings, spoiled children, hostage takers, overlords, Jihadist, blowhard, religious fanatic, freedom fiend, kidnappers, Jesus freaks, dangerous, troglodyte, from the Planet of the Apes, resurrection of the Confederacy, lemmings with suicide vests, anarchy gang, idiots, wife abusers, frightened white people, right-wing loonies, tea-hadist, tea-tards, segregationist, freaking retarded, morally disgusting, Confederate flag-waving, breeders, Robert E. Lee lovers, Southern white radicals, losers, violent rapist, blathering idiots, climate change deniers, way crazy, racist killers, and rabid animals

        • Bathing Suit Area

          Well if you’re going to go around commenting on articles that aren’t even about race, just to declare to the world your opinion that black people don’t work, I should certainly hope you’re used to being called racist by now.

          • louisiana_mom

            I have made three posts on this thread… can you show me where I said anything about race?

            1) Annnnnnd 50 years of handing out government checks has done wonders to poverty…. we have more poor now than when LBJ signed welfare into

            2) In 50 years, welfare has not lifted one single person out of poverty… in that same 50 years, working has lifted millions out of poverty… I know, many of my family members have worked themselves out of poverty!

            And the third one is above (reply to you)… now show me exactly where I mentioned “race”? Poverty comes in all colors… You are the one who is assuming since we are talking about “poor” we mean “black”… which makes YOU the racist, not me.

          • Bathing Suit Area

            I was pointing out that Bunny’s comment was racist. You objected to that for some reason.

            I pointed out that IF you’re going to make comments like Bunny’s one that I had been relying to, you best get used to people calling out racism.

            If you’re not making comments like that, then the statement hardly applies to you.

          • louisiana_mom

            Fine… just know, your Race Card is all used up… it has become as annoying as a car alarm going off in the WalMart parking lot… no one pays any attention to it any longer. No one cares! And you Progressives built that. When everything is “racist” then nothing is…

          • Bathing Suit Area

            This is the meme that conservatives can’t stop trying to push, no matter how little sense it makes.

          • louisiana_mom

            What are you talking about? You have used the Race Card to death… it’s over, no one is paying attention to your calls of racism any longer… LMAO!

          • $9844146

            The race card is the refuge for the feeble minded= BSA.

          • Corey Dennison

            I was pointing out that Bunny’s comment was racist.

            And in so doing, you smeared EVERYONE here for it, as if WE ALL said it.

            So, what do paint chips taste like?

      • tops116 ✓Quipper

        “Yeah, I know, I used the R word which makes me the boogeyman/super-hitler.”

        No, it just means that you’re projecting your racism again. It also means you’re invoking your #LiberalWhiteManPrivilege… again.

      • bicentennialguy

        Do you actually know what the term “racist” means?

        • Bathing Suit Area

          Did you actually read the comment I was replying to?

  • bill_a_bob

    On the gubmint plantation, all the poor need do is pay with their vote.

  • TDS

    Maybe he should quit his job and see how long he stays above the poverty line…

  • Frustrated Teacher

    What is shocking is that anyone is shocked at this Prog’s ignorance. He only spews stupidity when he opens his mouth…

  • JustLikeAnimals

    That’s not Toure talking. That the wriggling motions of Barack Obama’s arm stuck firmly up his a$$ making his lips move.

  • Da_Bunny

    Six kids, a Mercedes, smartphone, big house… it’s hard on those poor people.

    • Bathing Suit Area

      Being made of straw isn’t easy for them.

      • tops116 ✓Quipper

        #LiberalWhiteManPrivilege: Criticizing others for doing what they themselves do regularly (in this case, the use of strawmen).

      • Guest


      • bicentennialguy

        Uh huh. Yeah, right. I saw a woman one time at a convenience store go in and pay for a small can of tomato paste with a food stamp card. She then went out and got into a brand new Mercedes with 30-day tags and drive off. So don’t say it doesn’t happen, because it does. BTW, she paid for her booze and cigs with a wad of cash she pulled out of her wallet, but couldn’t be bothered to pay for a small can of tomato paste.

        • Sonya A. Willis

          Similar note, a friend and I were picking up takeout when a woman approached with a sob story needing money. We both thought a scam but decided to play along. My friend handed her $5 dollars and as she reached for it, she dropped a wad of cash.

          Most of the poor begging for money are scamming and hustling at least they are in Chicago.

        • Bathing Suit Area

          Tomato paste? You’re supposed to say lobsters when making up stories like this!

          And why exactly did she tell you it was a food stamp card?

  • AZGunslinger

    What do you expect from a guy who obtained everything he has in life via affirmative action?

  • Will

    To Progressives a person with a Manicure, Cell Phone, Dwelling, Car and 2 Jobs is living in Poverty.

  • des111168

    Can we just come out and state the obvious? That this guy is a stunningly stupid man?

  • Jack

    having several different baby mommas/daddys is definitely not a strategy…

  • BorderGuard

    Send low-IQ slime like Toure to the finest schools to study phony crap and you get the same low-IQ garbage out at the end.

  • tops116 ✓Quipper

    Touré speaks and everyone else just shake their heads. I’d imagine that’s the case even at the MSNBC offices.

  • FaithColeridge33

    Rain is an ineffective drought fighting tool.

  • AdamsParachute

    this is what a $250k education will buy you

    • Arkuy The Great

      He is earning far above and beyond what most of us posting here will ever achieve. So there is something to be said for being an empty-headed doosh. Just sayin’…

  • jabberwocky

    He is such a douche

  • Joel A. Edge

    So I’m gonna assume he’ll quit his job?

  • model1911

    He is one stupid Monday.

  • irishgirl91

    Working Poor. When I was a child, my high school educated father worked one, sometimes two jobs to pay the mortgage (!) on a small home that my stay at home mom maintained while tending 3 children. We called ourselves blue collar. People with more education, who worked in offices were white collar. Working poor seems so hopeless. Work all you want and still be poor is what it screams, class envy is what it breeds and Toure is now and forever an idiot.

    • Bathing Suit Area

      “Working poor seems so hopeless. Work all you want and still be poor is what it screams.”

      Yeah, it sucks. Why you think Toure is stupid for pointing that out makes no sense.

  • Yeah I Said It

    What the hell did people in this country do before welfare and handouts existed?!?!?

    And how the hell are you in poverty if you are working 2 jobs??? Id like to know what he considers poverty. 30 thousand a year?

    • Bathing Suit Area

      “And how the hell are you in poverty if you are working 2 jobs?”

      Because those jobs pay shit.


    I guess LBJ was right.

  • 24601

    “No matter how disastrously some policy has turned out, anyone who criticizes it can expect to hear: “But what would you replace it with?” When you put out a fire, what do you replace it with”

    • Guest

      Neat analogy.

  • CountClayton Kaufmann

    Then why doesn’t Toure quit HIS job & never work?

  • Jake Bradford

    An ever growing percentage of population dependent on govt.- not contributing, receiving welfare or assistance. All the while pushing policies that cause employers to not hire new ppl, shed jobs or move them into part time This is leftist economics. It can’t be sustained forever….which is why even they know the collapse is coming.

  • John Smith

    Trust me…now that Obamacare is here…MANY more will be working two part time jobs.

    • MarcusFenix

      Pretty much.

      Toure forgot to mention that the increase in number of part time work is outpacing full time work. I’m sure it just slipped his mind.

  • Sean French

    Tori is a frighteningly mediocre at best yellow “journalist”. As far as being shockingly ignorant. Tori is far beyond that. That train has left the station years ago. This cretin is profoundly ignorant.

  • John Thomas “Jack” Ward III

    Really? REALLY!?! REALLY?!? And this coming from someone who has a job, that pays better than all the jobs I’ve worked, put together! Hey Toure’, QUIT CHECKING YOUR BRAIN CELL AT THE DOOR!! Jawamax 8<{D}

    • bicentennialguy

      It’s a shame there are decent people out there who want to work, who need to work yet this boil on the butt of humanity somehow has a job. Now THAT is unfair.

    • Arkuy The Great

      John, you don’t get it. If Stokely Carmichael Jr. were to actually rub his two brain cells together and come up with an original thought it would be a professional disaster for him.

      • John Thomas “Jack” Ward III

        I get it..This DOOSH who has a College Edumacation (?) and a high-paying Career is MOCKING people like us, because most of us (even with a College Edumacation) will NEVER be as prosperous as he is. And why? See that list of names Liberals call us (below), they don’t think we’re smart enough to make that kind of money! But I think many of us are able to do what Toure’ does, without a College Edumacation, and maybe even BETTER! But the difference is, we would rather work than collect a Federal Handout,for multiple generations. That’s what I’m trying to say:Regardless of what Toure’ says, Work WILL give anyone a better hand-up than ANY Government hand-outs! Jawamax 8<{D}

      • Mark81150 Never/Trump/Hillary

        He’d be no longer pMSNBC material would he?

        The sheer arrogance of the pompous rich looking down on the “liitle people” and deciding what is “best” for us, when all most of us ever wanted was a good job, and to be left the eef alone.

        I guarantee, I’m better at every possible subject Toure could claim to do well….. but I don’t spend a second worrying about how to get his money for free..

        If our positions were reversed, that is ALL he’d think about.

  • liber_TEE_4ev_R

    Tour-ay “logic”: “Sex” is an ineffective pregnancy program

  • gold7406

    by using his logic, if nike lowered the price of sneakers to $9.95 everyone would have more to eat, people would enter the economic mainstream and babies wouldn’t be hungry.

  • OldHaus

    Is Toure saying there is a need for a higher minimum wage? If yes, he’s going about explaining this in an odd way.

  • Perry

    The dude grew up affluent, went to Milton Academy, a private school in Boston that costs 38K a year to attend, then went to Emory University where he couldn’t hack it and dropped out. While at Emory he told his fellow students he was French, not Black. He then changed his major to African American studies and became a Black militant.You can see why he’s an expert on all things.

    • Scott

      On all things RACIAL that is!! He is the worst kind of bigot as he feels the need to point fingers at everyone else and not look within to see where the bigotry is coming from!!

    • Adam Wood

      I had no clue who this fruitbasket was before. I’ve seen his name maybe once or twice, so when this came up I decided to google him up. Wow!

      “While a student at Emory University, Touré founded the school’s black student newspaper, The Fire This Time,[7] which has been criticized for being militantly anti-white.[8][9] The Daily Caller took issue with the fact that the publication only solicited donations from blacks, and that its articles praised noted anti-Semites, black supremacists, and conspiracy theorists such as H. Rap Brown and Frances Cress Welsing, whom Touré invited to Emory’s campus. The Caller also criticized Touré’s use of a hoaxed hate crime at Emory as a rationale for a list of demands against the university, even after the crime’s ostensible target, Sabrina Collins, admitted that her accusations were a hoax of her creation. Touré defended The Fire This Time as “an important black voice on campus” and “a form of community building.”[8][9]”

      My, what a lovely individual.

  • Vlad99

    He’s right working for a pittance doesn’t solve poverty. Why would Wal-Mart and Mcdonalds employees need food stamp? Conservatives would have us believe that giving corporations right to exploit people is the road to prosperity.

    • MarcusFenix


      The problem is, he’s looking at it from the wrong angle.

      Rather than address the idea that everyone should be making 40k a year for working the counter at the local fast food place (which would cheapen 40k a year till it was just like 9/hour anyway, so there’s that….), Toure fails to examine the elephant in the room.

      The reason things cost what they do.

      While I grant I’m not an economist, the fiat currency model we live under is unsustainable. The solution isn’t to print more money, or to just give people higher wages for no good reason. Addressing the underlying factors of why our currency is worth less than it was in the past, the reason for the cost of things going on, inflation, and so on….those are where the focus should be. What he is looking for is putting a bandaid on a person’s right hand, when they have had their left hand cut off and need a tourniquet. He wants to address the results, not the problem.

      • Eric D. Mertz #NeverTrump

        The problems of fiat currency are very real. But they are not alone in distorting the job market. During an economic boom, there are more jobs than seekers and one will be better paid because one sells one’s own time to the highest bidder. In contrast, economic recessions means one is competing to sell one’s time and thus will be paid less. Ironically, higher human capital can actually get one excluded from low-wage positions as the employer will not want potential discontent if one is too well educated.

      • Bathing Suit Area

        Currency is just the medium of exchange. Its value doesn’t really alter the ratio of labor to purchasing power, which is what’s leaving the working poor in trouble. If a week’s wages barely covers a week’s rent you’re screwed, whether it’s measured in paper dollars or gold dubloons.

        • MarcusFenix

          You’re only partially right.

          Fiat currency is a representation/medium of exchange.

          Our current Idiot in Chief, however, has this idea that somehow, the supply is endless…as long as we have checks, we’ve got cash right?

          Consider your answer to me, in light of the idea that you need to likewise consider what happens when a country starts printing money based on nothing but thin air.

          Gold, as it is, maintains is value traditionally. A pound of gold weights the same as a pound of 100’s, but it’s actual worth, verses the worthlessness of the 100’s, is much different.

          Take the last 50 years, compare why things cost what they did against what we have now, and the answer becomes much clearer.

          • Bathing Suit Area

            Gold is just another currency, it has no magical properties that make it hold value better than other types.

            Inflation explains why things cost more in dollars now than they did fifty years ago, but not why wages haven’t kept pace, which is the more pressing issue.

            (Yes, Zimbabwe-style hyperinflation is bad, but the slow pace of inflation in the US and elsewhere isn’t really a big deal.)

          • MarcusFenix

            In case you’ve somehow not gotten the memo, that paper money in your pocket is *based* on things such as gold. It doesn’t need magic…it’s what fiat currency is based on to begin with. Fort Knox, and all that. Paper money is based on the goods, services, and raw resources (like gold, etc) that a country possesses.

            You’re not digging deep enough with just inflation. If the underlying issues involved in the cost of everyday goods and services, with inflation and other factors, were dealt with…the pace of wages wouldn’t have lagged behind.

            But you did this:

            “Inflation explains why things cost more in dollars now”


            ” but the slow pace of inflation in the US and elsewhere isn’t really a big deal.”

            Seems slightly contradictory. If it explains why things cost more, wouldn’t that make it a bigger deal with respect to the idea that a dollar doesn’t buy bupkis anymore.

          • Bathing Suit Area

            It explains why things cost more in *dollars*, not why they cost more in *hours worked*.

          • MarcusFenix

            Right…but if the dollar held the same value as in days past…the hours worked wouldn’t be an issue, since the rate of wages would be in pace with everything else. If that were the case, this discussion wouldn’t be necessary.

            Don’t address the result of the problem. Go after the root of it.

          • Bathing Suit Area

            What exactly is your magic bullet here that’s going to lower the cost of goods while keeping wages the same?

            You seem convinced that the existing rate of inflation is the problem, rather than the discrepancy in the way it’s affected purchasing power vs labor costs.

            Had inflation not happened, do you think that wages would have stayed the same? Or would the same forces that have now prevented them from keeping pace have forced them down?

          • MarcusFenix

            That’s the problem, BSA. There is -no- magic bullet. No single item that can be fixed to make it all better. No “one solution fits all” that will create a better way of doing things.

            Inflation despite your claim, is important…but it’s only one part of a much larger puzzle. I’m convinced it’s an important one, yes…but it’s not some looming problem that once solved, would suddenly create rainbows with unicorns at the end standing gallantly near pots of gold.

            For example, in keeping with the idea that it’s not just one thing…


            The article outlines more than one problem. Gasoline prices contribute one part of the CPI, which then affects mortgages, inflation, etc….it’s not just one thing that needs to be fixed or addressed.

            The first thing, if you just want to address inflation only…is to not print anymore money. It’s the most direct cause of that particular problem. More money, without something to back it up, is the easy part of the problem.

            Past that..we’d be days going over every cause, every effect…enough to fill a rather sizable Econ class. It’s not so simple. My personal opinion….gut the system. Every bit of it. People wouldn’t like it…but when you put out a fire, you don’t build another fire. You build something to replace what was lost. But that’s a whole other matter entirely.

            Do I think wages would have increased….maybe. More education, more specialized sciences and technology to power growth. But the increase in wages, in specific sectors, might increase it overall, but not at the levels they’ve changed in the last handful of decades.

            I wish this problem were easier, but it’s not. It’s the result of an assortment of problems, all of them behemoths in their own right, which show no sign of changing for the better.

          • Vlad99

            Policy debate on twitchy, congrats gentlemen.

          • MarcusFenix

            It happens. Sometimes, it’s even productive. 😉

        • gekkobear

          And your wages show the value you provide to your employer. If you don’t provide significant value doe to lack of skills, or work ethic, or ability… you don’t get paid a large amount.

          How will forcing people to pay more benefit the working poor?

          You think companies will pay more than the value employees provide and take a loss? Or they’ll automate the basic jobs removing the bottom rung from the ladder.

          If you can’t get your first job and build a work history, learn marketable skills, and have evidence of work ethics… do you think you’ll get a second job paying more?

          Removing the bottom rungs from the ladder makes climbing up much more difficult than it is now.

          I’m confused why forcing poor people to stay poor is the optimal solution to ending poverty.

    • OldHaus

      Vlad, you’re making a more cogent argument than Mr One Name. I’ve given up on interpreting Toure, even by twitter standards he is way too oblique on this issue.

    • gekkobear

      When you take a minimum wage job, that generally indicates something.

      You lack skills, work history, evidence of work ethics, and a marketable ability. I’m not saying this makes you a “bad person” but employers are looking for “what value do you bring to the job”… for your first job ever, that answer is generally “not much”.

      If you’re clever, you’ll show to your currently employer you have (or can learn) skills, work ethics, and a marketable ability… and develop a work history showing work ethics; and either get promoted, or get a better job. And that better job will pay more than the minimum wage you start with.

      If you don’t improve yourself; you’re still not capable of providing more value to an employer than the basic minimum wage you’re getting. Why do you think anyone would pay you more than you’re worth to them?

      Aside from improving yourself so you’re worth more than a poverty level existence; what alternative would you propose?

      And for those just starting out without skills; would you remove the bottom rung of the ladder? If nobody will hire them for their first job (as the required minimum wage is higher than their value) how will they ever get a second job that pays more?

      If nobody gives you a chance to show what you’ve got and learn what you need; you’ll never be qualified for the higher paying job as you won’t have proof you provide that value to justify you getting the job.

      A minimum wage job isn’t a living wage, or a great place to be… but it is a first step that is used properly can help you advance. Removing that simply forces anyone in poverty to stay there forever…. how is that preferable?

      • Vlad99

        We agree on something minimum wage is not a living wage. Is it normal that a corporation worth gazillions of dollars pays most of it’s employees minimum wage? If you can make that much profit off of unskilled labor maybe those workers are being grossly undervalued. Like it or not those corporations will pay those worker as little as they can get away with. Education is the quickest and surest way to improve oneself and command a better salary. How do you get an education working 60 hours a week on two jobs to feed the kids?

        • gekkobear

          Oh, so they make enough so they should pay more.

          Ok.. Wal-Mart (a standard target) makes 17 billion dollars a year.

          So they should pay their workers a lot more. Lets divvy that up. Clearly $15/hour is better than $9.

          They have about 2.2 million employees.

          SO we take 17 billion / 2.2 million and get 7727… which we divide by 2,000 (50 weeks * 40 hours) and get … about 3.

          SO if Wal-Mart were willing to make $0.00 they could raise everyone’s paycheck by a bit over $3.00 an hour. Which won’t get $9 to $15.

          Hey, they’re worth gazillions of dollars… so they should pay $15/hour or more and lose 9.4 trillion a year… right?

          Were you hoping I wouldn’t be able to do basic math?

          • Vlad99

            If most of these 2.2 millions employees have to rely on food-stamps to make ends meet. Isn’t the government subsidizing part of that 17 billion profit? If their business model is not sustainable without exploiting their employees let them go bankrupt.

  • LloydTheDuck

    Having a low-paying job is better than none at all and you can get assistance on the side, both public and private, depending on your income. I support this. To the extent that we have people working for poverty wages in stores, restaurants, etc, it’s right and just that we be punished with taxes to fund assistance programs for them, since their low wages benefit us in terms of low prices.

    • Vlad99

      And if those employees have to rely on public assistance aren’t you subsidizing those companies margins of profit with those same taxes?

  • Ryan Johnson

    Touré said something ignorant? This we’ve gotta see:


  • Fiji’s Best

    In 2009, the U.S. Postal Service spent $13,500 for a single dinner at Ruth’s Chris Steakhouse.