National and international media are up in arms today over the story of Neil Heslin, father of slain Sandy Hook student Jesse Lewis, being heckled yesterday during a Connecticut legislative meeting. During his testimony, in which he called for stricter gun control measures, Heslin was reportedly interrupted by shouts from Second Amendment activists:

“The Second Amendment!” was shouted a couple of times by as many as a dozen gun enthusiasts in the meeting room as Neil Heslin, holding a photo of his slain 6-year-old son, Jesse Lewis, asked why Bushmaster assault-style weapons are allowed to be sold in the state.

Prominent gun control advocates took to Twitter to draw attention to the incident:

And liberal social media outlets are just appalled:

MSNBC in particular is beside itself with rage:

MSNBC heckling headline

Gun nuts!

Except no. Not really. MSNBC is propping up its story with a blatantly edited video. In fact, Heslin was not heckled. Gun rights advocates in the audience indeed voiced their support for the Second Amendment — after he asked why anyone would need “assault-style weapons or high-capacity clips.” You’d never know based on the MSNBC version, which completely cut out the footage of Heslin’s question.

Fortunately, Twitchy has obtained the full, unedited video, which you can view for yourself below (relevant portion starts at the 15-minute mark):

Transcript:

“I ask if there’s anybody in this room that can give me one reason or challenge this question … why anybody in this room needs to have one of these assault-style weapons or military weapons or high-capacity clips. [Pause, waiting for response.]  Not one person can answer that question.”

Audience members:  “[Unintelligible] Second Amendment shall not be infringed”

Public official: “Please no comments while Mr. Heslin is speaking. Or we’ll clear the room. Mr. Heslin please continue.”

Heslin waited for a response. And when he got that response, it wasn’t Heslin who registered outrage — it was the media.

Let’s be clear: this wasn’t about having compassion for a man who tragically lost his son; this was strictly about pushing a political agenda. Out of more than 17 minutes of footage, the kneejerk media focused exclusively on the non-existent “heckling.” Not on Heslin’s plea for a change in gun control policy. Not on his sorrow over never being able to spend another moment with his beloved son and “best friend.” To the media, this was nothing more than a chance to exploit one man’s raw emotions in order to gin up outrage.

And it’s utterly despicable.

  • philmon cluebattingcage

    More Alinsky #12 in action. This is not an accident. If you’ve read “Rules for Radicals”, it’s right out of the book. To them, perception is all. Truth is a social construct.

    http://www.rottenchestnuts.com/alinsky12inaction/

  • o0Nighthawk0o

    Thanks, been tweeting the truth about this all morning. The best vid I could find was here: http://www.necn.com/01/28/13/Parents-of-Sandy-Hook-victims-split-over/landing.html?blockID=827619&feedID=11106 that doesn’t have the relevant portion edited. Drives me nuts when people blatantly lie to further their agenda. Even more so when major news outlets do it.

  • http://www.facebook.com/poeticlee Lee Herrin

    Haven’t we determined for a fact that the “Rifle” Adam Lanza had was NOT USED in the Newtown shooting? Why does this continue to be said?

    • Canadian in USA

      Repeat a lie long enough, it becomes the “truth”.

      • wordfirst

        well….not so much as it becomes ‘truth’… it is just ‘believed.’ People believe lots of stuff that isn’t TRUTH. And these remarks about ‘gun-control’ and gun-nuts are just a small sampling! SECOND AMENDMENT RIGHTS ARE RIGHTS!!! Now, THAT’S THE TRUTH!

      • Scooter Livingston

        Yeah….Karl Rove proved that during the Bushitler years.

        • Slayer88

          Hitler was borne from the Left moron, as was Stalin and the rest of these mass murderers. Jackass….

          • BetweenTheWheels

            Wrong. Fascism is not considered a left-wing ideology, it is an extremist right-wing one. Oh, about 5 years ago, David Adkisson walked into a very liberal church with a shotgun and a mission to kill liberals and Democrats. Not sure why right-wingers always want to engage in this pointless “who’s killed more people” rhetoric in the first place. It’s not their political views that enable them to carry out these heinous crimes; it’s their extreme hatred for anyone who disagrees with them, and their ability to ignore any moral code they may have that says killing is wrong.

          • Ken Alan Draper

            the nazi’s were socialists, NAZI was The National Woodrow Wilson’s policies during WWI. but took them much further.

          • BetweenTheWheels

            There’s a big difference between Marxist socialism and national socialism. National socialism is a right-wing ideology. Look it up.

          • Zane Henry

            NATIONAL SOCIALIST WORKERS PARTY. What is so friggin hard to understand about that? MORON

          • $8245944

            They’re really dumb.

          • $8245944

            They’re really dumb.

          • DarthBabaganoosh

            Anyone can call themselves anything they want. It doesn’t mean that’s what they actually ARE. A good example is North Korea, one of the worst regimes for human rights violations and war atrocities. The official name of their country is not North Korea, but the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea. Are you going to tell me that because that is their name that they really are a democratic republic?

          • $8245944

            They’re authoritarian big government Statists like Obama and Hitler. The North Koreans don’t have guns either. Coincidence? I don’t think so.

            This isn’t rocket-science you know.

          • DarthBabaganoosh

            1) Another Hitler comparison? Really? Dubya has taken away quite a few more “rights” than O has, yet O is the Hitler wannabe?

            2) Equating Obama to any of the three Kims in the DPRK only shows how little you actually know about North Korea.

            Thank god it’s not rocket science given how much you’ve gotten wrong.

          • $8245944

            GWB never tried to subvert the 2nd Amendment. Obama is a gun grabber like other tyrants.

            Name one GWB policy Obama has changed. Not only has Obama continued GWB’s power grabs–he’s strengthened them.

            Useful idiots like you are the reason our liberty is at risk. Wake up!

          • DarthBabaganoosh

            Anyone can call themselves anything they want. It doesn’t mean that’s what they actually ARE. A good example is North Korea, one of the worst regimes for human rights violations and war atrocities. The official name of their country is not North Korea, but the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea. Are you going to tell me that because that is their name that they really are a democratic republic?

          • Just Another Voter

            Whereas I do not claim to be a historian buff or know all that much, I try to educate myself. There is truth in your post but there is also obvious discrepancies to date. The Nazi party was born out of a right wing ideology however it seems as if the democratic party has taken on the 1920 ideology of Nazi Germany in some respects.

            “Initially, Nazi political strategy focused on anti-big business, anti-bourgeois, and anti-capitalist rhetoric, although such aspects were later downplayed in order to gain the support of industrial entities, and in 1930s the party’s focus shifted to anti-Semitic and anti-Marxist themes.”

            Either way you slice or dice it, we are repeating history.

          • $8245944

            I don’t see the right going after our guns. The left is authoritarian–fascist.

          • http://archive.org/details/antifederalist_0707_librivox The Federal Farmer

            The right may not “go after” our guns, but they won’t prevent the left from doing so. Statists take our rights incrementally. Hitler did it, Lincoln did it, Bush, Reagan, Clinton, FDR, Carter, Johnson, Obama, every statist administration takes a little bit more, and they never give any rights back. “It makes no sense for assault weapons to be around our society.” George W. Bush 1999″

          • $8245944

            You a libertarian or just libertine? I don’t trust your foreign policy instincts. Are you pro life?

          • http://archive.org/details/antifederalist_0707_librivox The Federal Farmer

            I share the same foreign policy instincts as did the founders. Are you pro freedom?

          • $8245944

            Ah, you didn’t answer my questions. Why is that? Got something to hide?

          • http://archive.org/details/antifederalist_0707_librivox The Federal Farmer

            Yes I did. You’re just too stupid to see that.

          • $8245944

            You are a worthless coward.

          • http://archive.org/details/antifederalist_0707_librivox The Federal Farmer

            nanny nanny boo boo!

          • $8245944

            Knocked you off your soapbox! lol

            Nothin’ there like most loser libertarians.

          • http://archive.org/details/antifederalist_0707_librivox The Federal Farmer

            Starving troll, leaping libertarian.

          • $8245944

            Look what you’ve been reduced to. lol

            You’re just a silly promiscuous doper hiding behind high-flying pronouncements of freedom.

          • http://archive.org/details/antifederalist_0707_librivox The Federal Farmer

            The right may not “go after” our guns, but they won’t prevent the left from doing so. Statists take our rights incrementally. Hitler did it, Lincoln did it, Bush, Reagan, Clinton, FDR, Carter, Johnson, Obama, every statist administration takes a little bit more, and they never give any rights back. “It makes no sense for assault weapons to be around our society.” George W. Bush 1999″

          • $8245944

            I don’t see the right going after our guns. The left is authoritarian–fascist.

          • $8245944

            We are the only ones standing between normalcy and chaos.

          • Milhouse

            Look it up where, in some marxist propaganda? There is no significant difference between national and international socialism. They come from the same origins, and are simply national variants on the same philosophy, which is that of the political left.

          • $8245944

            They’re authoritarian. Just like the left in the U.S.

          • Milhouse

            Look it up where, in some marxist propaganda? There is no significant difference between national and international socialism. They come from the same origins, and are simply national variants on the same philosophy, which is that of the political left.

          • $8245944

            We don’t like big government–you do. You’re a fascist.

          • BetweenTheWheels

            Judging by your post about abortion, you’d like government to outlaw it. So you’re a fascist. It’s fun debating right-wingers.

          • $8245944

            LOL! Goebbels would be so proud of you.

            Typical brainless leftist. 60 million dead babies aren’t enough for you.

            Killing is against the law. Is that fascism, too?

            You’re not getting our guns: They’re the last line of defense against predators like you.

          • http://archive.org/details/antifederalist_0707_librivox The Federal Farmer

            I would just like government to stop paying for it with money they take from me. It’s like I’M paying for it! I also wish they would stop promoting it. I think it should remain legal.

          • http://archive.org/details/antifederalist_0707_librivox The Federal Farmer

            I would just like government to stop paying for it with money they take from me. It’s like I’M paying for it! I also wish they would stop promoting it. I think it should remain legal.

          • $8245944

            We don’t like big government–you do. You’re a fascist.

          • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_T3ADMWWDLD2T4VJLOM6IGGLRGQ James

            socialism is a left wing ideology. less govt is a right wing ideology. How you can associate Hitler with less govt is beyond me

          • BetweenTheWheels

            It’s pretty simple, really. As much in disagreement as we are, the difference in our political views actually encompass a pretty small section on the political scale. You can’t really compare Hitler’s ideologies with anything resembling modern-day notions of left-wing or right-wing in America. But one thing Hitler believed in was purging his society of people he deemed to be inferior, and promoting a ruling class of people he deemed superior. That is unmistakeably right-wing. It’s an extreme right, and it’s far beyond anything in America’s political spectrum, but it’s still right-wing.

          • SturJen

            I disagree. Which political party allows millions of $$ to be spend killing ‘undesirables’ in Planned Parenthood abortion mills? Is it the Right or the Left? Which political party fights every attempt to stop funding Planned Parenthood? Left or Right? Who was the founder of Planned Parenthood? Margaret Sanger. Her main reasoning for opening these abortion mills was to kill off the undesirable population: the blacks. It seems as though the Left would seem to care about minorities, but it’s a ruse to kill them off.

          • windskisong

            WHAT? HUH? Ok, what type of person promotes a ruling class and a lower class? Royalists (traditionally considered right wing but doesnt really work in American political spectrum) and Socialist/Fascist (considered left wing by … everyone except left-wingnut professors and political hacks). Purging society of undesireables has been the sole domain of the political left since at least the French Revolution.

          • windskisong

            WHAT? HUH? Ok, what type of person promotes a ruling class and a lower class? Royalists (traditionally considered right wing but doesnt really work in American political spectrum) and Socialist/Fascist (considered left wing by … everyone except left-wingnut professors and political hacks). Purging society of undesireables has been the sole domain of the political left since at least the French Revolution.

          • $8245944

            It’s exactly what you’re doing with ObamaCare. You ‘re truly stupid.

            Hitler came for the guns and so is Obama.

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Bill-von-Besser/1348039459 Bill von Besser

            And your hero’s, Stalin, Lenin, Mao, Pol Pot etc, ad nauseum, didn’t? Believe in killing those deemed inferior just to be clear. What planet are you from again? You are completely befuddled.

          • $8245944

            Exactly! Big government is dangerous to the people.

            These trolls are useful idiots.

          • http://archive.org/details/antifederalist_0707_librivox The Federal Farmer

            This is why I like to use the term “statist” rather than allowing goose-steppers like you to divert a thread away from the truth. Both socialists and fascists want a powerful state to rule by force.

          • http://archive.org/details/antifederalist_0707_librivox The Federal Farmer

            This is why I like to use the term “statist” rather than allowing goose-steppers like you to divert a thread away from the truth. Both socialists and fascists want a powerful state to rule by force.

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Bill-von-Besser/1348039459 Bill von Besser

            I take it you LOVE one and hate the other. What a twisted web we weave. . .

            I have to wonder sometimes, what life would be like if I were a walking, talking contradiction.

          • $8245944

            The Nazi’s “Final Solution” took many of its hideous policies from the crazy witch, Margaret Sanger (Planned Parenthood).

            They’re all the same: They hate God and His greatest gift–Life.

          • $8245944

            The Nazi’s “Final Solution” took many of its hideous policies from the crazy witch, Margaret Sanger (Planned Parenthood).

            They’re all the same: They hate God and His greatest gift–Life.

          • Zane Henry

            an overwhelming majority of gun murders in the united states happen in democrat ruled cities, by supporters of you leftist nutjobs. and often with the toughest gun laws on the books. There is no argument as to which side of the political spectrum most murderers originate.

          • BetweenTheWheels

            I want to point out that I didn’t start the name-calling here. You did. But if wanting equal treatment of gays, minorities, and women, and the fact that I accept evolution, and that I believe the government doesn’t belong in a woman’s uterus, and that placing some kind of limit on the kinds of personal arsenals a private citizen can arm himself with makes me a left-wing nut job, then it’s a label I’ll wear proudly, you smug. Intolerant. Self-righteous. Prick.

          • Zane Henry

            Well, just to correct a few of your blanket assertions:

            I have no problem with gays. I think marriage equality is fine. The whole “war on women and minorities” thing was a straw man to end all straw men from the get-go. Hell, even Goldie Taylor said that our ostensibly loving social welfare programs have destroyed the black American family. Goldie Freakin Taylor. I support political policies that allow EVERYONE to achieve what they want through hard work and opportunity. The left supports creating a permanent leftist voting bloc by providing handouts of the scraps off the government table which not only ensures that the recipients have no ambition to achieve, but also ensures that they’ll never leave their new plantation, because it would be going against their “economic self interest” ( a lovely meme from the last election)

            And, even though I believe in God, I don’t consider myself a strict creationist. I fully believe in evolution, or at least some form of it (punctuated equilibrium, actually)

            It’s not your job to decide how many guns I, or any other, law-abiding citizen can own. There’s a reason that the 2nd amendment came 2nd. It’s THAT important. (All tyranny begins with a disarmed citizenry) You want to change that? Our constitution has an amendment process. Amend the constitution, if you think you have the votes. My guess is you don’t, and never will.

            I also consider any day that a judgmental, weak-kneed leftist calls me a self-righteous prick a total success. It means i struck a nerve.

          • $8245944

            TOTAL success. lol

          • $8245944

            TOTAL success. lol

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Bill-von-Besser/1348039459 Bill von Besser

            Pot, meet kettle. You are completely wrong though, there is NO left right, only those who believe in freedom and those who believe the State is God. Kinda funny if you think about it, all those atheists who say they don’t believe in God, yet they are always turning to their God, the State.
            I love the constant bleat of the authoritarians, stay out of a woman’s uterus, but please, please conduct a SWAT raid on my neighbor who I saw smoking a joint, not wearing a seat belt, speeding on the interstate, etc.

          • $8245944

            You’re a fascist! Just admit it.

            Does your ‘moral code’ pertain to the 55 million killed by abortion? Just wondering here.

          • BetweenTheWheels

            No, because they’re not people. They’re fetuses.

          • 6cheri6

            And then a magic wand is waved and they miraculously become…..ta daaa……….HUMANS. So if a FETUS is born at 7 months gestation it is not human for 2 months?

            Abortion is not to be confused with birth control! Plus, pay for your own
            birth control.

          • windskisong

            Um. When do they become people? Viability? At birth? 1st birthday? 21st birthday if it falls on Feb 29th?

          • $8245944

            Hitler decided who was worthy of personhood, too. You are no different. People like you were slavers.

            Inconvenient truths.

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Bill-von-Besser/1348039459 Bill von Besser

            Keep telling yourself that. Whatever lets you sleep through life.

          • $8245944

            You’re a fascist! Just admit it.

            Does your ‘moral code’ pertain to the 55 million killed by abortion? Just wondering here.

          • Grumpa Grumpus

            Actually, there are many newsreel films of speeches (major ones, to all of Germany) where Adolf talked about “brother socialist”.

            Until the Socialists & Progressives rewrote things, Fascism was known for what it was, Socialism.

            If you dig into the way they are classified, you’ll see that the the criteria used are unnatural to the subject.

            What is used to set the definitions is the boundary conditions misapplied as the main structure.

            Sort of like taking whole-wheat bread dough, kneading raisins in one and dried cranberries into the other, baking, and saying that the product are whole-wheat cranberry bread and raisin cake.

            Fascism is the Nationalistic form of Socialism. The other wrinkle is that on paper there is private ownership, but all aspects of your business are defined by the government and done in the name of the Nation. That’s the reason that some of the letters in the NAZIS party’s name translate to “National Socialists”.

            Remember, you’re talking to someone who has observed this whole ball of wax evolve first hand… from Hitler’s & Mussolini’s rise — what they called and what they said themselves that their movements philosophies were based to the bending & twisting of definitions to reclassify thing so that Socialism could pass as “ok” in the minds of the ignorant.

            I’ve had professors tell me the neither Hitler nor Mussolini knew what they were talking about, but many of the top people were University Professors, and everybody at the time (incl. FDR and the Elder Kennedy) waxed warmly over Fascism in the beginning — saying that “Hitler had found a way to make Socialism workable” — which makes no sense if Fascism is a “right-side” philosophy. So that Hitler was mistaken doesn’t hold water.

            And, if you follow that logic — that the inventor of a movement could mistake its roots — saying that both Hitler (the inventor of NAZIS-ism) and Mussolini (who modified it slightly mislabeled the roots of the fascist philosophy, then the same argument works for Marx, too.

            Nope. When a person claims that Fascism is on the Personal Freedom side of the scale (which is where Conservatism is…), I know I’m dealing with a political dilettante — or a shill — the difference depending on how honest they are.

          • 6cheri6

            Kinda like obama and Clinton did with Benghazi.

          • Slayer88

            You mean like the LEFT in this country, again I will say you are a moron. Facism/communism and just about any other “ism” comes from the left. You go ahead with your intellectually bankrupt thought process, you know exactly why it matters, History repeats itself and people need to wake up to the fact that it can happen here.

        • journogal

          You realize it’s 2013…you come across as desperate and little when you refer to Bushilter. You realize he isn’t in office anymore, right?

          • Bill Gryan

            He needs to prepare for 2016, finding someone to blame for the failures of the “past 16 years”.

        • Douglas Mortimer

          Is that the best response you have, Scooter? Instead of addressing a disgusting and obvious LIE perpetrated by a segment of the anti-gun crowd, you have to bring up Bush again who has been out of office for four freakin’ years now? Never mind that Obama has continued almost every single one of his predecessors policies, but that doesn’t matter, does it? Oh, the Bushitler thing was pretty funny…for about ten minutes back in 2004. You need new material. I also hate to inform you, but your post reveals a total lack of coherent argument, not to mention a blatant demonstration of unbridled ignorance. I am sure you are very proud of yourself, though, and thought you got a real zinger in there as it riled up those you see as ignorant, right-wing, nut jobs. Unfortunately, it was the discussion equivalent of a slinky on an escalator.

          • $8245944

            Obama is a fascist. Hitler confiscated guns, too. All tyrants do.

          • $8245944

            Obama is a fascist. Hitler confiscated guns, too. All tyrants do.

        • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_523GV5VOITIMGS3NE6NOH4WM4I NotPC

          I thought we were living in those years right now.

        • Zane Henry

          low information voter. Good job, bro.

      • http://twitter.com/wtfci wtfci

        While many lies are repeated enough until people believe them, it is not a lie that Adam Lanza used a Bushmaster .223 caliber rifle in the Sandy Hook shootings.

        http://www.ct.gov/despp/cwp/view.asp?Q=517284&A=4226

        • Well Done

          as a matter of fact, the defective idiot did NOT shoot ANYONE at the school with a Bushmaster. He used handguns. Period.

        • Jon Thompson

          You can’t turn to the people responsible for the lies and claim it to be truth, sorry but the isn’t Obama world this is reality.

        • BamaViK77

          NO, as a matter of fact he used PISTOLS. You really need to get your facts straight.

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Bill-von-Besser/1348039459 Bill von Besser

            Technically correct. Although most people who have more than a passing knowledge of firearms would agree that all handguns are handguns, the difference is really between revolvers and pistols.

        • Bill Gryan

          Your link doesn’t even support your assertion unless you’re pushing some arcane definition of the word “used”. Have you considered applying for a job with the MSM?

    • $100179597

      Because whether or not he used it is largely irrelevant and sounds like a desperate attempt to defend assault rifle ownership.

      • Kevin V Gantnier Sr.

        So the truth is irrelevant ? I want the whole truth….

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Duke-Fawcett/100000451488181 Duke Fawcett

        Irrelevant? You’re an idiot. They have based their entire “outrage” over weapons that were NOT used. I guess facts are inconvenience to you.

        • NachoCheese (D)

          Police report on weapons seized at the the school:
          http://www.ct.gov/despp/cwp/view.asp?Q=517284&A=4226
          —–
          Seized inside the school:
          #1. Bushmaster .223 caliber– model XM15-E2S rifle with high capacity 30 round magazine
          #2. Glock 10 mm handgun
          #3. Sig-Sauer P226 9mm handgun
          —–

          • Carl Ervin

            You’ve posted this link twice now and it goes to a page that is no longer available…prove your theory that the Bushmaster rifle was used…I would LOVE to see an actual coroner’s report…not some report from that CLOWN that claimed to be the Coroner and was laughing and stating he knew a lot about weapons and the long rifle was used to kill the children…show some photos of the crime scene with the rifle shells in the building…PLEASE prove me wrong…I dare someone! I’m a retired law enforcement officer, and I do NOT believe the reports that have been put out through the media…Give me a REAL link that takes me to an actual report, not some web site that is down or has been removed…

          • NachoCheese (D)

            Edited the link, as it appears to have been cut off when I posted it…

            http://www.ct.gov/despp/cwp/view.asp?Q=517284&A=4226

          • Well Done

            F O fool

          • NachoCheese (D)

            What an intelligent contribution you have made to the discussion…

      • chuck146

        THE FACT IS, IT WAS NOT USED, THEY TOOK IT OUT OF THE TRUNK OF A CAR. THE STORY IT WAS USED, CAME INTO PLAY WHEN FEDS GOT THERE. I WATCHED THE WHOLE THING ON TV THAT DAY AS THEY OPENED THE TRUNK AND SHOWED THE BUSHMASTER AND A SHOTGUN. THEY REPORTED AT THE TIME LANZA WAS FOUND WITH TWO HAND GUNS INSIDE THE SCHOOL. IT IS RELEVANT AS TO THE FACT THEY WANT A GUN THAT WASN’T EVEN USED TAKEN FROM US. WE DON’T HAVE TO ASK WHY. WHY WAS THE FBI SENT THERE? WHY WAS A TERRORIST UNIT SENT THERE? NEVER SAW SO MUCH GOVERNMENT ATTENTION TO A SHOOTING, OTHER THAN WACO, OR RUBY RIDGE. NEED AN INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION.

        • gunowner

          The firearm taken from the trunk was a semi auto shotgun. Definitely NOT an AR15. Plain as can be to anyone familiar with firearms.

        • http://badmouth.net/ John Marcotte

          Can we pass a law that says people who cannot find the caps lock key on their keyboard can’t buy a gun? I’d feel safer.

        • http://twitter.com/tockrock85 Randy Hudson

          I agree with you. I watched the story unfold that day and it plainly showed the bushmaster and shotgun in the trunk that day…

      • James Zielinski

        “What difference does it make, at this point, what happened” we’re not gonna let facts get in the way of agenda.

      • TomJB

        So if a weapon had been banned that wasn’t used would have stopped the massacre how? You need to forget about not just drinking the kool-aid; first step would be to stop bathing in it.

      • Dennis

        Last time I heard it’s what you used is how they charge you not with what is out of reach of your use…….. can we say agenda,can we say manipulation of the facts….ooh hell why not call a lie a lie

      • jgeorgia2000

        No you still don’t get it. All the so called assault rifles are not actually such! They only look like them. So the reason we constantly try to correct those ignorant of what the left is really trying to do. At least Feinstein is truthful, she wants to insure all guns are outlawed within a generation.

    • http://badmouth.net/ John Marcotte

      Actually, the coroner determined that the “long gun” (the Bushmaster) was the primary weapon used in almost all of the shootings. The idea that he used handguns was the first theory that was discarded after more evidence came in.

      • Garth Haycock

        Please provide proof of what you’re saying.

        • NachoCheese (D)

          See my reply to the OP for a link to the police report about weapons seized at the shooting. Specifically the exert regarding weapons seized inside the school.

          • Garth Haycock

            Much appreciated.

        • http://badmouth.net/ John Marcotte

          According to the state’s chief medical examiner, H. Wayne Carver, many of the victims were shot multiple times with the same “long weapon”—the Bushmaster rifle –Wikipedia

          Children Were All Shot Multiple Times With a Semiautomatic Rifle, Officials Say –NY Times

          The primary weapon used in the attack was a “Bushmaster AR-15 assault-type weapon,” said Connecticut State Police Lt. Paul Vance. The rifle is a Bushmaster version of a widely made AR-15, the civilian version of the M-16 rifle used by the U.S. military. –CNN

          The gun removed from his trunk was a shotgun. Coroner, police and eyewitnesses all agree he used the Bushmaster.

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000595980093 Gus Gustifer

            There was no bushmaster found in the school!

          • http://badmouth.net/ John Marcotte

            That is not true.

            The police found the Bushmaster and two handguns on Lanza, as well as a shotgun in his trunk.

            Denying reality is not helping your cause. It is making you look less than rational and prevents having a serious discussion about the issues.

          • JSebastian

            Was that just after someone issued orders on the police radio to “end the life of Adam”?

            Who was that person talking to? And what did they do?

          • http://twitter.com/wtfci wtfci

            Dude. The police report says it was found in the school.

            http://www.ct.gov/despp/cwp/view.asp?Q=517284&A=4226

          • DefCon99
          • Paul Tello

            lie, all lies it’s what the government wants and expects you to believe because they’ve lied right from the start

          • http://badmouth.net/ John Marcotte

            I’m sorry you feel that way, because that pretty much removes you from the world of rational discourse and puts you in the “Internet loony” category.

            What weapons were used is well documented from numerous sources, and is not really a subject for dispute outside of the tin-foil hat brigade. The fact that you are rejecting objective reality, means that any opinions you offer are flawed because you have lost track of what is real and what is paranoid fantasy.

          • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_WTHOMHZSMJDKIBZ7CNEPYNWJVM Bob B

            I swear. These whack jobs that are claiming it was all some psy-ops hoax are what is going to cause more anti-gun laws. So much unhinged infowars crap out there!

            People that listen to Alex Jones give responsible gun owners a bad name.

          • Grumpa Grumpus

            That you make the argument that using pejoratives to defend your position shows that you don’t really care anti-gun laws, but are sowing chaos.

            Fast & Furious is also called a paranoid fantasy and that it is advanced by tinfoil-hat people… that it “gives responsible conservatives a bad name”.

            People are right to be suspicious.

            Remember seatbelt laws? We were constantly told it would never become a primary violation. But it did.

            All laws have a tendency to creep from lesser to greater, irregardless of their actual usefulness to the purpose of their existence as stated. That’s b/c the bureaucratic mind seeks ever more control. Any laws passed now will do the same.

            And as for psy-ops, do you think there’s a cause for concern when the outbreak of a type of crime increases so that there’s more in 1 quarter (3 months) than there’s been the previous 3 decades put together — all tailor-fit to a favorite Socialist agenda, and only weeks after the re-election of a man who has stated time& again that a main goal of term #2 is making gun ownership as onerous and difficult as building or running a coal electric plant? After the aforementioned Fast & Furious — which itself came swiftly on the heels of a media blitz by the government saying “95% plus of the guns used by drug cartels in Mexico are legally purchased in the U.S.”? A “fact” that had no bases in reality?

            Just as would a Progressive, you attempt to defame those who don’t agree with you. You claim to worry about law-abiding gun owners, but your actions make your true position unclear.

          • Grumpa Grumpus

            Fast & Furious.

          • VL123

            LOL…quoting Wikipedia..

          • http://badmouth.net/ John Marcotte

            I actually quoted Wikipedia, The New York Times and CNN. That’s three different sources to the “none” offered by the other side.

            In addition, NachoCheese has linked to the police report , which is a primary source.

            You are not reading very carefully.

          • Grumpa Grumpus

            John,
            There where more than 3 outlets saying a video caused the razing of an embassy. Most haven’t retracted the claim.

            The Federal Government was the original primary source for the report.

            My point is, we’re focusing on the wrong thing here!

            No gun law could have stopped this. No law passed since would have effected it if they were in effect at the time, and no law yet proposed would have stopped it — only make firearm more onerous a burden on law-abiding citizens!

            Instead of fighting among ourselves, let’s concentrate on that, shall we?

          • http://badmouth.net/ John Marcotte

            Regarding Benghazi, The federal government reported the best information it had at the time. The CIA intelligence reports that have been declassified confirm this.

            No gun law could have stopped this? Perhaps. But what if he had a 10 round clip instead of 30? He was able to kill 26 people without reloading. Maybe there would have been an opportunity to charge him if he had to change clips twice.

            That at least is a productive and reality based conversation to have, rather than trying to argue that there was a government conspiracy to plant the Bushmaster.

          • Grumpa Grumpus

            No one said “plant”.

            Why the pejoratives? Weak argument?

          • 6cheri6

            You forget 1 thing……if that principal or teacher had been carrying…..legally(!)……the shooter would have died before he could kill so many.

            Concerning Benghazi…..they had real time reports on this and KNEW it was not due to a “movie” that had only a handful of views. But that did not fit the fact that obama had just stated that Al Qeada was decimated because HE killed Bin Ladin. They outright lied no matter what the idol slobbering media said at the time.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000595980093 Gus Gustifer

        So how did he kill all those kids with the 223 and go back outside and put it in the truck of the car before going back in and shooting himself with a pistol? Secondly, why 4 handguns? Who were the two people captured cuffed and placed in cars out side? Why does it sound like they each had one handgun and left them inside? Because no one can bring 4 handguns to kill with, without holsters. He had no holster. He had no large pockets. He didn’t bring all 4 handguns into that school, he had help. I believe this was a set up and Adam Lanza was the fall guy to complete the agenda Eric Holder intended.

        • http://badmouth.net/ John Marcotte

          The gun in the trunk was not the Bushmaster. It was a shotgun. The police confirmed this.

          I find Sandy Hook “truthers” to be no more compelling than 9/11 “truthers.”

          You are so twisted up in your agenda that you disregard facts. When talking about people’s deaths we have an obligation to at least honor the truth.

          • NachoCheese (D)

            That’s correct John, here is the police report on weapons seized at the scene.

            http://www.ct.gov/despp/cwp/view.asp?Q=517284&A=4226

            —–
            Seized inside the school:
            #1. Bushmaster .223 caliber– model XM15-E2S rifle with high capacity 30 round magazine
            #2. Glock 10 mm handgun
            #3. Sig-Sauer P226 9mm handgun

            Seized from suspect’s car in parking lot:
            #4. Izhmash Canta-12 12 gauge Shotgun (seized from car in parking lot)
            —–

          • Well Done

            numbnut you’ve reposted the same shash so many times you look a moron. the real, live, mentally defective moron did NOT shoot anyone with the bushmaster.

          • NachoCheese (D)

            Once more, show me where I said that. Oh, that’s right, I never did say that. Slow down and work on your reading comprehension.

          • mike_in_kosovo

            Here’s a better idea: How about you provide the evidence to support your claim? A coroner’s report or evidence of similar credence will suffice.

        • http://twitter.com/wtfci wtfci

          Just read the police report. It details the weapons, where they were found, and which were discharged.

      • DefCon99
    • NachoCheese (D)

      Sorry but you are wrong on that.

      Police report on weapons seized at the the school:
      http://www.ct.gov/despp/cwp/view.asp?Q=517284&A=4226
      —–
      Seized inside the school:
      #1. Bushmaster .223 caliber– model XM15-E2S rifle with high capacity 30 round magazine
      #2. Glock 10 mm handgun
      #3. Sig-Sauer P226 9mm handgun
      —–

      Please keep the debate based on established fact. Arguing via an
      already disproved rumor only harms attempts to beat back the gun
      grabbers.

      EDIT:
      Link was cut off in cut and paste and is now corrected.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000595980093 Gus Gustifer

        Are you this misinformed? At the scene? Are you really that much of a moron? Which scene dipshit? Inside the school or outside in the parking lot in front of the cameras?

        • NachoCheese (D)

          Speaking of morons, did you even read the link I provided before pecking out that idiotic response?

          Also from the police report on weapons seized:
          —–
          Seized from suspect’s car in parking lot:
          #4. Izhmash Canta-12 12 gauge Shotgun (seized from car in parking lot)
          —–

          Are you some sort of Alex Jones wackjob? Do you really think the police are lying in their report?

          You have footage that shows something other than the officially stated 12 gauge shotgun being removed from the trunk, then post it. Otherwise STFU.

          • scf8169

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HK8Z5K5M2Dw&feature=share Only AFTER the FBI showed up did the story change. And YES I DO BELIEVE that people in positions of authority (i.e. government, police, etc.) will LIE to further an agenda, and if you don’t, then you are really not even intelligent enough to be commenting on this situation.

          • NachoCheese (D)

            Once more for the hard of hearing (reading)

            The police report on weapons seized that the school:

            http://www.ct.gov/despp/cwp/view.asp?Q=517284&A=4226
            —-
            Seized inside the school:
            #1. Bushmaster .223 caliber– model XM15-E2S rifle with high capacity 30 round magazine
            #2. Glock 10 mm handgun
            #3. Sig-Sauer P226 9mm handgun

            Seized from suspect’s car in parking lot:
            #4. Izhmash Canta-12 12 gauge Shotgun (seized from car in parking lot)
            —–

            Why is it that you are fine accepting reporting in the immediate aftermath as concrete fact when it supports your supposition, but are likely quick to dismiss any later reporting that negates it?

          • JSebastian

            Was there anything in this official report you seem to think is gospel about the man that the cops chased into the woods and arrested at gunpoint? You know, the chase that was shot by a helicopter news crew and broadcast. Is that in this sure-to-be-absoutely correct police report? If so, what is the person’s name and the circumstances of his arrest and the disposition of his custody? Surely that would be pertinent information to include in a comprehensive authoritative report?

          • Well Done

            keep posting the same stuff it only makes you look stupid.

          • Grumpa Grumpus

            Well, there are substantive reason to accept a first report over later ones. I’m not commenting on this incident, but as a general rule.

            The first reports, though often low in information, are often the most candid. There hasn’t been time for (often ponderous) government agencies to coordinate “facts” to have stories line up and fit together.

            The time to start suspecting reports is when the are extreme differences between the candid off-the-cuff comments & reports differ markedly in their particulars with the later “polished” and official reports — especially when those responsible for the reporting have an unpopular agenda they are trying to make popular.

            For example: gun control is not popular, but the government wishes it were. How many bogus government sponsored studies have we seen that favor removal of firearms?

            But then you have a few studies like that definitive one (I think it was the basis for the book “more guns, less crime”) done by a Lefty researcher who started w/the premise that gun ownership was bad — and set out to prove it in a definitive, “no more arguments” fashion.

            The data against his premise was so compelling there was “no way to bend it to fit the premise”. That’s a direct quote from an interview of him I watched. The totality of the data was completely opposite the cherry-picked stuff used for the government sponsored reports… so much so that honesty compelled him to change his opinion to ardently pro-2nd.

            that’s why people are more willing to believe 1st reports. Unfiltered by agendas, it’s usually “said before thinking”, and therefore more of an honest comment.

            I hope this helps.

          • NachoCheese (D)

            Grumpa, I’m not trying to argue whether first reports are better or worse than more comprehensive later documentation, but rather that claiming that no AR15 was involved, is counter productive (not to mention irrelevant).

            If we wish to sustain an argument against the gun grabbers attempts it is best to avoid positions that lack factual basis.

            The “no rifle used” argument relies heavily on conjecture (whether or not to trust the police report or scattered references to other weapons/shooters) and does more harm than good when debating a gun grabber. The statist will use such tactics to paint 2nd Amendment supporters as “conspiracy nuts” to those on the fence, which is likely to sway those people to support the statist emotion based argument to take guns away. Those persuadable will then be less receptive to fact based analysis such as John Lott’s work in More Guns, Less Crime you mentioned (great read btw).

            Again, stick to argument positions that are effective & fact based, and avoid drifts into conjecture based arguments likely to only assist the statist in lampooning support for the 2nd Amendment.

            I also liked your call to avoid the divisions, as the statist would love to use the divide and conquer tactic on this.

          • Grumpa Grumpus

            I think we are in agreement generally.

            Though my comments in this thread have officially been addressed to you, they weren’t meant to take you to task or to argue the conspiracy point w/you.

            In my opinion you’ve been even-tempered and reasonable. Irregardless of agreement or disagreement with your position, I can see that you’re genuinely concerned — and that you are interested in shedding light, not darkness, on the issue. This allows me to keep an open mind on the issue, and await the actual truth (which, either way, will eventually come out) to present itself. I have that luxury b/c it is obvious we aren’t at cross-purposes, but simply differ in details.

            Your post allowed me to bring out points that speak against others here — ones who are bearing down on the “tin-hat” shibboleth that the Socialists use to shutdown both inquiry and the recognition of patterns of action.

            You’ll see where I responded directly to just such a poster farther down in the thread.

            I’m very tired now, but I’ll check in later to see if you need another voice on your side (though I doubt you will: you’re very good at this!) It seems like I have less stamina all the time.

            Keep up the good fight, my Friend!

          • Grumpa Grumpus

            I think we are in agreement generally.

            Though my comments in this thread have officially been addressed to you, they weren’t meant to take you to task or to argue the conspiracy point w/you.

            In my opinion you’ve been even-tempered and reasonable. Irregardless of agreement or disagreement with your position, I can see that you’re genuinely concerned — and that you are interested in shedding light, not darkness, on the issue. This allows me to keep an open mind on the issue, and await the actual truth (which, either way, will eventually come out) to present itself. I have that luxury b/c it is obvious we aren’t at cross-purposes, but simply differ in details.

            Your post allowed me to bring out points that speak against others here — ones who are bearing down on the “tin-hat” shibboleth that the Socialists use to shutdown both inquiry and the recognition of patterns of action.

            You’ll see where I responded directly to just such a poster farther down in the thread.

            I’m very tired now, but I’ll check in later to see if you need another voice on your side (though I doubt you will: you’re very good at this!) It seems like I have less stamina all the time.

            Keep up the good fight, my Friend!

          • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_WTHOMHZSMJDKIBZ7CNEPYNWJVM Bob B

            So the “hoaxers” claim that everything the media said has been BS and they’ve all been wrong..

            but then their only evidence is…. MEDIA CLIPS from the day it happened?!

            Does that make any sense to you whatsoever? The media blew it that day, but the police reports from what was collected haven’t.

          • Jon Thompson

            +1 for knowing the police and governments LIE AND FAKE SHIT all the time

          • Grog61856

            The link does not work. It is bogus like you. It;s you who needs to STFU!

          • NachoCheese (D)

            The link works fine. It was pointed out by another commenter elsewhere in this thread, that my link was opening as “page not found”. I acknowledged that the link got cut off in a cut and paste:

            So here is the full link, just for you.

            http://www.ct.gov/despp/cwp/view.asp?Q=517284&A=4226

            Now please feel free to GTFO and go read some facts.

          • JamesMc

            The link does work.

          • Grumpa Grumpus

            Do you mean like when the Police Reports were filed about Kennedy’s little swim?

            Be very careful when you make these sorts of accusations.

            I have seen instances of police reports being “revised” after a talk from the feds… whether you believe me or not, I know it has happened. And in one instance I know the people involved, and the guy who left what he loved after “trying to swim upstream” for three years to correct it.

            This chaos among us is sown by our enemies.

            We need to decide what makes a difference and concentrate on that.

            Does it make a difference what firearms were used? I don’t think so, since the end game is no firearms!

            And, if we compromise on the point of what was used — instead of uniformly stating that the type and class of firearm makes as much difference to the dead as the difference when killing people and choosing between a cricket bat and a baseball bat!

            Use either one to pulp a skull and you’re just as dead.

            Come on, everyone! They’re trying to divide us and we’re helping them!

          • NachoCheese (D)

            Grandpa, I agree with a lot of what you say, my point in this thread has been to counter the “he didn’t have the rifle in the school” claim. Whether he used it or not is irrelevant, but if we are to debate the gun grabbers, it is best to avoid dubious claims that they would use to ridicule us in an attempt to sway those on the fence.

        • Sean Connolly

          People like you are not helping. What difference does it make if he killed 20 kids with a glock or an AR or a tank of gas with a lighter? He murdered a bunch of people, HE did it, he is the one to blame not the, NRA, not the weapon he used and not the millions of law abiding gun owners in this country. Don’t let the left control the narrative. The LEFT want your guns, they always have and always wil, and you are just playing into their whole “gun owners are paranoid nuts” narrative. I wouln’t be surprised if Leftists propagated this rumor to begin with. And anyone who knows anything about AR’s can plainly see the shotgun for what it is in the video showing the trunk. Stop making an ass out of second amendment supporters.

          • http://twitter.com/RSPW_DEP David Powell

            +1 to that.

          • blujkts

            +1 too

          • VL123

            OK Hillary.

        • Screwdriver

          Gus….You must not know guns or are just a tool. I saw that video a day or so after the shooting and clearly saw that the gun in the trunk was a shotgun. Even the shells being removed were shotgun shells and not .223.

      • http://www.facebook.com/kris.jones.581 Kris Jones

        It was my understanding that the “Rifle” was found in the car and was not “USED” as Lee Herrin put it.

        • NachoCheese (D)

          The rifle, as the police report on weapons seized, was found in the school. The shotgun was the weapon found in the trunk.

          In reality, it doesn’t matter which gun was used to kill who, but when debating the gun grabbers, it is a bad idea to use “facts” which have been clearly proven to be false, as it negates any other valid points you may make.

          • Paul Tello

            wrong there was no rifle in the school at all per several federal agents along with the local police.

          • NachoCheese (D)

            Try again…the police report states that the rifle was seized INSIDE the school.

            Read the report yourself:
            http://www.ct.gov/despp/cwp/view.asp?Q=517284&A=4226

          • Dutra

            What difference does it make?

          • Jon Thompson

            I guess because the police say so it must be true? Why do they need Crisis actors if they’re not full of shit about the whole incident? Silly sheeple, stop posting garbage lies from the liars.

          • BamaViK77

            Oh, let’s see you got your information from .gov….. Oh that’s right if the government told you to go out & purchase dog meat because it was more healthy, you would break your neck trying to find out where to make your purchase…. WAKE UP BEFORE IT’S TO LATE!!!!

          • Ken Alan Draper

            Oh, the report? oh sure, because we just believe everything the government tells us. I mean they’ve proven themselves to be so trustworthy in the past. I’ll take the local Sheriff’s report over the feds thank you very much.

      • http://twitter.com/RSPW_DEP David Powell

        IAWTP – The gun in the trunk was apparently a Saiga-12 Shotgun, which was not used in the school attack.

      • scf8169

        That’s funny… news reports from when the LOCAL police were on the scene repeatedly said that “several officials have said that the rifle found in the car was NOT used in the shooting”. However, after the FEDS showed up, all of a sudden the rifle was the murder weapon. The “medical examiner” said a high powered rifle was used ON TV THAT MORNING before he ever examined the first body. It’s a LIE originating with the White House, passed on by the FBI to the Liberal Lamestream Media.

        • NachoCheese (D)

          How do you argue against a conspiracy theory?

          That’s right, you can’t. It is impossible to prove a negative, therefore I can not disprove what you have stated as though they were facts.

          I can only supply affirmative facts that are known, such as the police report stating the rifle was found inside the school, and that a shotgun was found in the car’s trunk. Your conspiracy theory inoculates you from that fact, so…

          • Grumpa Grumpus

            Then, when there is a conspiracy, calling things that are probable and in line with a criminal’s “MO” are we to discount it out-of-hand because a group calls it “conspiracy theory”?

            It brings to mind the hit-job that was done on McCarthy… which turned out (via the venona(sp?) intercepts) to be 100% accurate.

            Or that the MSM is actively helping and advancing the Progressive Agenda, that’s another “Conspiracy Theory”.

            Or that Obama is eligible as a NBC, when in the biography he wrote he states his father was never a U.S. citizen! McCain, born of 2 citizens on U.S. soil (a military base in So.America, which is u.s. soil by definition) had to have a vote to certify that he was a NBC! But, you know, those of us who say this are Conspiracy Nuts.

            And the thing that will get you called a “Conspiracy Nut” even faster that the last item is proclaiming that the Federal Government is stealing our rights a chunk at a time.

            For these reasons, and others like unto them, the label “Conspiracy Theory” holds as much water as “Racist”, “Hater”, etc. I.e., none.

            While in general I agree that it is far-fetched, there have been so many cases of criminal collusion in the last 60 or so years that I don’t think it that unlikely… especially considering that the changing stories are fact.

          • Ken Alan Draper

            Not to mention that after the 2008 election it was found that the petition to put Barack Obama on the presidential election ballot in Indiana was found to be fraudulent. several northern Indiana democrat party officials are in Jail looking at election fraud charges as well as identity theft charges. so as far as Indiana was concerned, Obama was not elegible for election.

          • Walter Adams

            I think the problem here is the incompetence of the press. Unless it is written down and handed to them they are pretty much clueless about anything outside the sphere of their experience, which is quite limited.

            You can count on them knowing nothing about firearms, weapons, anything connected to the military [when Desert Storm started, I was amazed to hear a CBS reporter at the Pentagon announce that B-25s were bombing Baghdad.]

            In cases like the Newtown Shooting it is best to allow a week for the press to get its act together. The first reports I heard said the AR-15 was found in the car. If that is wrong, its parr for the course.

            The first responders to the scene aren’t trying to build a precise narrative, they are trying to secure the people and the scene in an atmosphere of chaos.

            It takes time to sort things out, and the truth doesn’t adopt itself to the press’ deadlines

          • Carrie Millsaps

            So because it was written on a piece of paper, it is fact? Lies have been written on many pieces of paper since the beginning of paper and pen. The only fact you have is that an “official” person wrote some statements down on paper. There’s your fact. Just because it isn’t written, doesn’t make it untrue. However, it was stated verbally that the rifle was not used and found inside the trunk of the car. It was also verbally stated that only pistols were found inside the school. The source sited for these facts were federal agents. Perhaps they lied. I can’t prove that. But you also can’t prove printed words aren’t a lie as well.

        • Paul Strachan

          The rifle was used in the school. The long gun found in the trunk of the car was a shot gun. Those are the facts.

          • BamaViK77

            Were you PERSONALLY there & saw every piece of evidence?

      • Paul Tello

        bull-shit that’s an outright lie.. If I may direct you to NBC broadcast at (today.com) Pete Williams, the AR15 rifle was NOT and I state it again NOT found in the school there were (4) handguns found not the original (2) that were told. The AR15 rifle was found in the stolen mothers car in the parking lot.. So tell Obama, and all of his fucking liars to get it right and to tell the truth maybe just maybe we as a country and begin to heal

        • NachoCheese (D)

          Funny that the police report on weapons seized at the school disagrees with Pete Williams reporting at the time.

          http://www.ct.gov/despp/cwp/view.asp?Q=517284&A=4226
          —–
          Seized inside the school:
          #1. Bushmaster .223 caliber– model XM15-E2S rifle with high capacity 30 round magazine
          #2. Glock 10 mm handgun
          #3. Sig-Sauer P226 9mm handgun

          Seized from suspect’s car in parking lot:
          #4. Izhmash Canta-12 12 gauge Shotgun (seized from car in parking lot)
          —–

          • Well Done

            bozo.

          • NachoCheese (D)

            Reading comprehension problems?

        • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_WTHOMHZSMJDKIBZ7CNEPYNWJVM Bob B

          Dude the media got *everything* wrong that day. And continuing to spew this nonsense is causing more harm than good. Give it up, man. The way to fight this is letters to our elected officials. Rallies. Protests. But STOP spreading that debunked information around! GAH.

      • Well Done

        the defective semi-human little shiite did NOT shoot anyone with the bushmaster.

        • NachoCheese (D)

          Show me where I said he did? Oh that’s right, I never said that. All I did was counter the claim that he didn’t have the AR15 in the school with him.

      • Wilford Vangordan

        http://www.ijreview.com/2013/01/31221-update-state-police-confirm-weapons-used-in-newtown-shootings/ Shotgun Saiga-12 was found in car, not an AR15. Handguns only used in shootings.

    • http://twitter.com/MissyK_83 Missy Kennedy

      They don’t want the truth – it doesn’t help their plan to take all guns out of our hands. Unarmed citizens are easier to push around.

      • Zane Henry

        Just look at the rampant corruption in the police in Chicago. they’re worse than the Gangster Disciples, for God’s sake.

        • $8245944

          Look at the rampant corruption in Obama’s cabinet. Most of them are tax cheats.

          • Zane Henry

            so true. But laws are just for you and me, right?

          • $8245944

            Yes, some pigs are more equal than others. Obama and his cohorts are hogs.

    • Pablo

      No, we haven’t. This may come as a shock, but NBC was wrong. He used the Bushmaster on everyone but himself. http://www.ct.gov/despp/cwp/view.asp?Q=517284&A=4226

    • Guest

      Spot on. Repeat a lie often enough and people will accept it as the truth. Going after evil looking assault rifles is to play to the left’s agenda to disarm law abiding citizens. They’re following their standard tactic of lying and twisting the truth.

    • David maley

      Same editor at MSNBC from the George Zimmerman tapes, bunch of hacks

      • $8245944

        Dangerous hacks who are threats to our liberty.

    • Pablo

      No, we haven’t determined that. He used it on everyone but himself. NBC was wrong. Please stop repeating this. http://www.ct.gov/despp/cwp/view.asp?Q=517284&A=4226

    • blujkts
    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_WTHOMHZSMJDKIBZ7CNEPYNWJVM Bob B

      Look man, I am a huge gun advocate and life NRA member.. but spreading that Alex Jones conspiracy theory BS is doing NOTHING but making responsible gun owners look like absolute whackos. You’re giving the gun-grabbers more ammo for their cause by continuing to perpetuate that “Sandy Hook was a hoax/there was no rifle” junk.

      As gun owners, we need to stop that nonsense IMMEDIATELY.

    • http://www.facebook.com/adamtaylor8 Adam Grant Taylor

      He did use the rifle. There were inaccurate reports there for a while that he didn’t.
      http://twitchy.com/2012/12/30/tweeters-falsely-claim-bushmaster-rifle-was-not-used-in-newtown-shooting/

    • BamaViK77

      It’s because this is ONE of the many guns that they want to ban. It’s only the beginning of their agenda. I am fed up with hearing about the AR-15 as being an assault weapon. If the village idiots would BOTHER to do a little research this is what they would find. AR actually stands for ArmaLite the ORIGINAL manufacture of this gun. Is was first made in 1958.

      AR-15
      From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

      The AR-15 comes in many sizes and has many options, depending on the manufacturer. The part shown bottom center is the lower receiver
      with pistol grip and trigger assembly. Under US law the lower alone is
      the component legally considered the “firearm”, no lower receiver may
      have the capability of shooting more than one shot per trigger pull per
      National Firearms act.

      The AR-15 is a lightweight, 5.56 mm, magazine-fed,
      semi-automatic rifle, with a rotating-lock bolt, actuated by direct
      impingement gas operation or long/short stroke piston operation. It is
      manufactured with the extensive use of aluminum alloys and synthetic
      materials.

      The AR-15 was first built by ArmaLite as a selective fire rifle for the United States armed forces. Because of financial problems, ArmaLite sold the AR-15 design to Colt. The select-fire AR-15 entered the US military system as the M16 rifle. Colt then marketed the Colt AR-15 as a semi-automatic version of the M16 rifle for civilian sales in 1963.[8]
      Although the name “AR-15” remains a Colt registered trademark, variants
      of the firearm are independently made, modified and sold under various
      names by multiple manufacturers.

    • Arkuy The Great

      There seems to be conflicting information about whether he had a rifle in the school or not. No matter, quite frankly, as he did the greatest damage with a couple of hand guns.

    • Arkuy The Great

      There seems to be conflicting information. No matter, really. He had enough hand guns and ammo with him to do plenty of damage, regardless of whether he had the rifle on him at the time or not.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1073979088 Mark LaPoint

    If it’s true he asked a question, then one should expect a response. It may not be the response he and the anti 2nd amendment crowd was expecting. It then is spun in the media as those terrible gun nuts heckling this grieving father. That is more disgusting to me than the crowds response. Not having been there, I don’t know the truth though.

    • Dex
    • http://twitter.com/wtfci wtfci

      The chairman of the hearing is at fault. Neil Heslin asks the gallery a question. The gallery responds. The chairman repudiates them for responding.

      A point of order should have been issued to force the chairman to conduct a fair hearing.

  • SameJerkDifferentName

    Anyone expecting truth or accuracy from the media is going to be waiting a long time. Creative editing and downright false reporting to fit their agenda has been the norm for quite some time and there are far too many stupid and/or lazy people not interested in finding out the truth for themselves. And thanks to them, this country is DOOMED!

  • Pat McCrady

    Why is this not Illegal behavior????? Why/??/ Why can media purposely misrepresent the truth??

    • $24698634

      Fox set a legal precedent in 2003. The FCC is a guidline, not a law.

      Goggle it.

      • 6cheri6

        Snopes is notoriously left wing.

        • http://profile.yahoo.com/O45HRZ3ZPUCSR2V3YM7GGS2ZZA Candy

          as a reporter, I have found MANY inaccuracies on SNOPES over the years…all slanted toward the left.

        • $24698634

          C’mon.  Just look up the case.  See for yourself.

      • Garth Haycock

        I don’t know how to Goggle it. Please provide instructions as to how one Goggles.

        • Russell Walker

          It’s just a Jump to the Left,,, and then a step to the Right,, Put your hands on your hips…. 😉

        • $24698634

          Typo and you know it.  Afraid of the truth?

          • Garth Haycock

            I don’t know that it’s a typo. But if you say it is, I’ll take your word for it.

            As for being afraid of the truth, no, I’m not. But you seem to be because of your angry response.

          • $24698634

            Angry response?  You must rattle easily.

            How about as to the substance of the court case, anything on that?

          • Garth Haycock

            I don’t know that it’s a typo. But if you say it is, I’ll take your word for it.

            As for being afraid of the truth, no, I’m not. But you seem to be because of your angry response.

      • http://twitter.com/thetugboatphil TugboatPhil

        Fox News, MSNBC, CNBC and CNN are cable news outlets and are not controlled by the FCC the same way NBC, CBS & ABC are as broadcast networks.

        • $24698634

          Point taken.  But I think the issue was media lying in general.

        • $8245944

          MSNBC is controlled by the Obama administration.

    • Linda Rolett Roberson

      good question,I would like to know as well

    • http://twitter.com/wtfci wtfci

      First Amendment rights. They can misuse their first amendment rights without repercussion. But if you misuse your second amendment rights your a terrible human being and every other second amendment rights supporter should yield and suffer.

  • Canadian in USA

    Edited by NBC…that’s all I needed to know.

  • Red Fred

    There is no bottom to how low they will go to get their way, irregardless of the statistical evidence disproving their claims. Coming for the guns of normal families will be resisted in a manner inconceivable to them. Rahm Immanuel’s gun grab through threatening (blackmailing) banks who do business with gun manufacturers has been met with a letter from Ted Cruz. http://www.scribd.com/doc/122799297/Letter-from-Senator-Ted-Cruz-to-Chicago-Mayor-Rahm-Emanuel-Bank-of-America-TD-Bank-Group-Smith-Wesson-and-Sturm-Ruger-Co

    • Michael Snead

      I love Texas :)

  • greywulf1064

    More proof that libtards can’t accomplish anything without lying, cheating or stealing.

  • Spider

    No matter the issue, heckling is wrong, So is the notion that in some way taking guns from law abiding citizens will somehow magically stop gun violence. In a perfect world that might be true, but we live in a world where criminals get guns, even under gun control regulations, and in cities, like Chicago, where there are strict gun control laws, the criminals are the only ones who have the guns, and more powerful guns than the police are allowed to carry, and the gun related crime in some neighborhoods is rampant. The answer is not easy, and is NOT taking guns from citizens. The Newtown tragedy MIGHT not have been avoided with gun control as the shooter was evil, and determined and would have used any means he could, knives, grenades, gasoline, The danger in NEwtown came from the evil of the shooter’s mental state, and the guns were the tools he used. AS tragic as the situation was, if an administrator and/or a teacher had been armed, with a CCW, or the like, could the tragedy have been averted? We will never know, but there is a distinct likelyhood that the number of innocent victims would have been lessened. It must be remembered that the shooter walked into a location, a school, that he KNEW would show no resistance, had someone in the school been armed, there is a likelyhood tha the shooter could have been kept a bay until the police arrived.

    • Dex

      He wasn’t heckled.

    • CherDash

      They didn’t heckle. MSDNC edited the tape and lied.

  • http://www.facebook.com/marie.zellmer.96 Marie Zellmer

    That’s the whole problem. People are uninformed or misinformed. And it makes me angry that those people get to vote and their vote cancels out my vote after I have spent hundreds of hours researching candidates and issues.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Duke-Fawcett/100000451488181 Duke Fawcett

      I believe the proper term for these people is sheep

      • TomJB

        And neutering the guard dogs and donating them to a shelter is the best way to ensure the wolves will not attack in the future.

        /leftylogic

        • BlueGood

          Wouldn’t it be pretty to see a LIAR and/or Lying Media Person fall down in extreme agonizing pain when they utter their LIE???

          Wouldn’t it be pretty to have a tiny implant embedded into known
          liars, that would deliver 50,000 volts to their system when they uttered
          a lie?

          (O’Blamo would need a Rod(ham), up his butt so he could be seen standing…..

          Wouldn’t it be pretty to have honesty & integrity come back in fashion??……

        • Try winning the argument

          How the fuck does that analogy apply to gun control? We better not try and control the weapon the wolf has? You Are Really fucking ignorant! EVERYTIME a product kills, we add more regulations or eliminate that product but no, not guns, we better add MORE OF THEM!

          • obloodyhell

            You’re an idiot. You CANNOT control the weapon the wolf has. That’s your problem, you can’t grasp that you cannot deny the wolf access to dangerous implements which can be used to commit violence and harm to others. You can only put as many sheepdogs out on patrol as you can manage, to keep the wolves at bay and/or limit their ability to damage the sheep.

            I can name at least THREE completely GUNLESS methods I could create JUST as much horror, damage, death, and dismay as (asshole) did at Sandy Hook. Yes, THREE. Allow the perp to carry a crossbow, and they could do even more in at least TWO of those. Or a battery-powered nailgun. Since you can EASILY make a crossbow, it’s not like you’re going to have much luck controlling THEM.

            You could create fairly effective guns with 1880s technology. How the hell do you imagine you’re going to stop them from being created with 2010 technology? And the Federal government has not had any substantial success in preventing the import of DRUGs into this nation, has it? And even less when it comes to “home grown” products like Marijuana, has it? So, given that you can, literally, make a gun in a GARAGE with about 10-15k worth of equipment, WTF makes you so ridiculously stupid as to believe that, banning these, you will have ANY more success stopping the illegalized distribution and sale of GUNS than you do pot?

            Criminals will HAVE weapons. The only way to stop these wolves is to have lots of talented trained SHEEPDOGS to counter them.

          • Ronald

            If you can do all that damage with all those GUNLESS methods, why do you need guns to defend yourself? Just buy a few nail guns. Your argument is working against you in this case.

          • screamingmad

            Right, just stick that nail gun with it’s electric cord in your back pocket and you’ll be ready for anything.

          • Ronald

            Good point. Maybe the nail gun isn’t that effective as a gunless weapon after all. But, then again, he said “battery-powered” nail guns didn’t he.

          • $8245944

            What a fool. lol

          • http://www.facebook.com/scott.tomasi.7 Scott Tomasi

            Ronald – Does it take a great deal of concentration on your part to develop such weak, off-the-mark arguments, or do they just flow naturally from you fingertips? Why don’t you do yourself and the others in this forum a favor and troll in an environment of like minded feces-flinging monkeys. The adults are at this table. Your “input” has no value here.

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002109532283 Jillane Kent

            Why ask insipid questions of those who, presumably, exercise their Constitutional rights in a responsible fashion?

          • http://archive.org/details/antifederalist_0707_librivox The Federal Farmer

            Because “we” (government) make rules and statutes and regulate things “we” have no business being involved in is no reason to add one more.

          • http://archive.org/details/antifederalist_0707_librivox The Federal Farmer

            Because “we” (government) make rules and statutes and regulate things “we” have no business being involved in is no reason to add one more.

          • TomJB

            I’m ignorant? That you think you can “control the weapon the wolf has” shows you have no clue whatsoever about this debate and where it could lead if the left has its way. The criminals will have whatever they want, but we will be without a comparable defense from them. Brilliant! That will ensure people are safer! Yet another example of how someone “feeling safer” has nothing to do with actually *being* safer.

            “EVERYTIME a product kills, we add more regulations or eliminate that product” Well, I guess we know what kind of people now those stupid warning labels are for, eh Jon? Its people like you who need warnings that “This product may contain nuts” on a bag of Peanut M&Ms, “Do not hold the wrong end of the chainsaw” on a chainsaw, “Do not use while sleeping” on a hair dryer, and “May cause drowsiness” on a bottle of sleeping pills.

          • tcvegas

            Wow, profanity…you must be really edgy and informed…. and that intellect…wow…don’t get me started….So which gun “product” “kills”? I’ve never heard of one incident where that happened. Your analogy is the same as saying that your lug wrench in the trunk can remove the tire from the vehicle. You mean EVERYTIME…..EVERYTIME a “car” “kills” “we” add “more regulations”?? Nutcase…

      • Russell Walker

        Sheeple

        • Txgirlinnh

          I think “dumbass” sums then up pretty well

      • BamaViK77

        I call them “VILLAGE IDIOTS” because they believe ANYTHING they even “half” hear, especially if it fits into THEIR agenda.

        • $8245944

          Useful idiots: Hitler couldn’t have done it without them.

          • Ronald

            Hitler bred hate. You are doing the same.

          • $8245944

            Only in your insane leftist world does self-defense equal hate. Useful idiots like you lead to monsters like Hitler.

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002109532283 Jillane Kent

            You’re the King of the Straw Men…

      • $30158943

        No, that would be people on this board

        • Zane Henry

          oh bravo for that informative explanation of your view on the topic. Yawn, another ad hom from the party of the low information voter.

        • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002109532283 Jillane Kent

          Pulling the “I know you are, but what am I?” retort out of your intellectual arsenal?

      • Nitsedy

        Stop degrading sheep. They have morals.

        • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002109532283 Jillane Kent

          Or at least a purpose in life.

      • Nitsedy

        Stop degrading sheep. They have morals.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/O45HRZ3ZPUCSR2V3YM7GGS2ZZA Candy

      There is nothing more dangerous than an uneducated, uninformed voter…except the candidate they put in office!

      • obloodyhell

        Even more so when they — and the lapdog, drooling media — treat them as a religious icon not to be questioned or challenged in any way, shape, or form.

        YOU know who I’m talking about…

    • Michael

      That’s what every dictator does – appeal to the most ignorant. We have a demagogue for president.

      • BaseballandPie

        Then why did he win an overwhelming majority of people who graduated undergrad from college or grad school?

        • obloodyhell

          Because intelligence does not equal wisdom. There are learned fools (see Chomsky, Noam) and uneducated wise men.

          Intelligence is the ability to learn from books.
          Wisdom is the ability to learn from experience (or observed experiences of others).

          I put it to you that, were there a “Wisdom Quotient” test that was the equivalent of the IQ test, that liberals would consistently rank in the BOTTOM THIRD of that bell curve. They would consist of most of the “Widiots” and “Wmorons” of the world.

          That’s why they are such big fans of communism/socialism — it doesn’t matter how many times it’s failed, they cannot learn from that experience. They are SURE that it only needs to be “done right”. The wise man realizes that there is exactly ONE way to “do it right” — not to do it AT ALL.

          Gun Control is likewise — it doesn’t matter how many times that taking weapons out of the hands of citizens leads to citizens becoming victims of government, or how many times GC leads only to increased victimhood and helplessness in the face of the criminals and thugs of the world. They are CERTAIN that it somehow can work, if they only “tweaked the laws” right.

          “Fools say that they learn by experience. I prefer to profit by others’ experience.”
          – Bismarck –

        • $8245944

          Because even more were uneducated welfare voters.

        • mojo lito

          What you are referring to as undergrad, or grad schools, are nothing but leftist, liberal, socialist, indoctrination academies, so it is not surprising that an overwhelming majority of them voted for, well a socialist.

        • mojo lito

          What you are referring to as undergrad, or grad schools, are nothing but leftist, liberal, socialist, indoctrination academies, so it is not surprising that an overwhelming majority of them voted for, well a socialist.

        • tcvegas

          Because demagoguery works? Your implied conclusions do not match the statement made above. You reply to his factual assertion with a question that has nothing to do with the veracity of the statement. A: “It’s raining outside. Most farmers grow a corn crop because of the climate in the midwest.”….B: .”Then why do so many gardeners grow tomato and raddish crops?”

        • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002109532283 Jillane Kent

          Occupying a classroom trains you, presumably, for a field or a vocation. A degree alone does not imply that one is either and engaged or informed citizen.

      • obloodyhell

        “Charlatan” is more like it. Rush Limbaugh is a demagogue — that’s not a blatantly bad thing, as long as their own self-promotion goes with a sense of social responsibility.

        But “charlatan”, like quack, is a derogatory version of a demagogue, who only promotes themselves with whatever lies and folderol sells best…

        • tcvegas

          You need to read the definition of “demagogue”. Rush doesn’t “lie” and isn’t “seeking power” so your analogy falls flat.

          • Ronald

            “Put a sock in it troll. You know exactly what he means.”
            – tcvegas

          • tcvegas

            I already told you that once Ronald because you made some claim to not understand an awkwardly stated response in a comment. It wasn’t so awkward as to be unclear to a reader. I fail to understand your point in reposting that response here. Does that somehow change the facts? The misuse of the term demagogue pretty much invalidates the logic of the comment. To point that out doesn’t fit the normal description of “trolling”….but your childish trolling behavior will define you if you keep it up.

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002109532283 Jillane Kent

            Did tcvegas ask an obtuse question similar to your own?

    • Aaron

      I feel the exact same way. That’s why I don’t like Fox news, because people honestly believe what is being said on there, when 99% of the time it’s just unbiased lazy “reporting”. Sucks but there’s always gonna be the uninformed people who will believe anything.

      • journogal

        Obviously you don’t know the difference between “unbiased” and “biased,” do you? And I guess in your world CNN and MSNBC are factual.

        • Zane Henry

          low information voter….’nuff said.

      • BamaViK77

        Excuse me Aaron, but I believe that you are getting Fox News & the rest of the biased liberal media confused. Fox News at least gives a “Liberal & Conservative” view point. Their guest always include both.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_523GV5VOITIMGS3NE6NOH4WM4I NotPC

        You’re right. Unbiased it is! Which also makes you right about uninformed people.

      • bo ure

        And there it is. No thread complete without the Media Matters operative. Tell us Aaron, where will you have people get their information, Jon Stewart, like yourself? And how much does MM pay for this? I want in on some of that sweet sweet MM money.

      • obloodyhell

        }}} Sucks but there’s always gonna be the uninformed people who will believe anything.

        … like the idea that Fox is any less factual than CNN, ABC, NBC, CBS, or MSNBC?

        Just because YOU don’t like what they tell you does not make what they say FALSE.

        And I’m not saying that as someone who uses them much. I just find them less likely to make sh** up when I do see them discussing any particular issue.

    • $30158943

      Yes, its so much better to yell out 2nd amendment as the reason his 6 year old son was just gunned down. I’m sure he feels so much better now.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_523GV5VOITIMGS3NE6NOH4WM4I NotPC

        He asked a question and he was waiting for a response. Don’t blame them for answering.

        • $30158943

          Yes, 20 six year olds were gunned down so that a room full of gun nuts can have their AR-15s. Seems like a fair swap, huh?

          • FlyoverGuy

            Right. Cause if he hadn’t had access to an AR, he would have had nothing, right? He wouldn’t have had access to another gun. He couldn’t have bought another gun legally? And we know — for certain — that he couldn’t have bought one illegally, cause we know that illegal things, like drugs, are impossible to get.

            Lanza had 15 to 20 minutes to shoot before the cops arrived. In that time, he could have gotten off 50 or 60 shots from a musket. Having an AR was no factor at all. Any gun would have been as deadly.

          • SturJen

            And just as a point of contention: The AR was left in the car. What Lanza was using was I believe a rifle. So the whole ‘assault rifle’ complaint is moot: He didn’t use one.

          • obloodyhell

            Actually the current STORY is that the weapon in the trunk was NOT the Bushmaster, and the video of the cops unloading it apparently indicates this.

            I want to know how it is that they identified all these handguns around him for six hours, and suddenly this “assault rifle” — which ought to have been screaming “Hey! HEY!! HERE I AM!!” to the LEOs on the scene was missed for over six hours before anyone saw fit to comment on it.

            Six hours is more than ample time for the gun to have been retrieved from the house by an operative of this administration and transported to the site.

            I’d be FAR less inclined to believe in such a small-scale conspiracy (maybe 5 people needed, plus a few others told to “shut their mouths and not ask questions if they want to keep their jobs”) if this administration had not ALREADY been caught **red handed** in trying to arrange EXACTLY this kind of Gun Control promoting situation a YEAR or more BEFORE — “Fast And Furious”.

          • Stewart Miller

            He didn’t use an AR-15 anyway. It was found in the trunk of his car. The drunk medical examiner said the bullet wounds looked like they could have come from an assault rifle (how you can tell the difference by a bullet hole is a mystery) and the media immediately started reporting that he used a “military style assault weapon with a high capacity magazine”. 8 weeks later, NBC news issued a 12 word retraction on their web page (didn’t say anything on the air) that they were misled into believing that the Bushmaster rifle was used in the killings.

          • http://archive.org/details/antifederalist_0707_librivox The Federal Farmer

            The NATO 5.56 round used by US military in the M16’s (AR 15’s)
            are designed to tumble once they strike soft tissue. This tumbling will
            cause the round to not always follow a straight line & will cause
            significant internal damage to soft tissue & any organs that it
            encounters. Probably handgun ammo wounds would like dramatically different.

          • Bob1701a

            Tumble?

            Not likely.

          • http://archive.org/details/antifederalist_0707_librivox The Federal Farmer

            Read more: (warning! graphic pictures) http://www.timawa.net/forum/index.php?topic=17111.0

          • Bob1701a

            Tumble?

            Not likely.

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Bill-von-Besser/1348039459 Bill von Besser

            Don’t know much about firearms or ballistics do you farmer?

          • http://archive.org/details/antifederalist_0707_librivox The Federal Farmer

            What’s your point? Do you have some argument against what I’ve posted or are you just a troll?

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Bill-von-Besser/1348039459 Bill von Besser

            Yes, you don’t know anything about firearms or ballistics. The “tumbling” myth is just that. A physics 101 course would also help. If you would bother to educate yourself on this subject you would know that the 5.56 mm NATO was designed for two things: 1) to allow troops to carry more ammo than the 7.62 mm NATO and 2) It was designed to wound rather than kill. The theory being that a dead solider is one less combatant, while a wounded soldier requires at least three others to assist him, thereby reducing the combat effectiveness of the enemy. The 5.56 mm (.223 Remington) is so weak it is banned for deer hunting in most States. And, it is not my responsibility to educate you, if you are going to post on a certain subject you should know what you are talking about. Just this once, I will help educate you:

            http://anarchangel.blogspot.com/2007/02/terminal-tumbling.html

          • http://archive.org/details/antifederalist_0707_librivox The Federal Farmer

            You (and my other detractors) must have difficulty following a thread.
            I was responding to Stewart Miller’s comment: “how you can tell the difference by a bullet hole is a mystery”.
            So Einstein[s], tell us, is there any difference between a “bullet hole” or wound made by a 5.56 round and a .38? Or are they exactly the same?

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Bill-von-Besser/1348039459 Bill von Besser

            Typical, when proved WRONG, refuse to answer direct questions and change the subject. OK, I’ll bite. You are trying to compare a weak rifle round with an even weaker handgun round. However, the 5.56 mm NATO is .223 inches while the 38 caliber handgun cartridge is actually .357 inches. So, yes, anyone other than a casual observer should be able to tell the difference based on entrance wound size alone. Of course a pathologist will be able to make a clear determination based on wound channel, exit hole, etc.

          • http://archive.org/details/antifederalist_0707_librivox The Federal Farmer

            So in your expert opinion, when a 5½mm hole is punched through flesh it looks a whole lot different then does a 9mm hole? The elastic flesh stays exactly that size? OK. I concede.

          • abqblondie2

            He used four handguns. I think people need to stop watching NBC, CBS and ABC..without these misreporting sycophantic networks, Obama would not have been reelected.

          • http://archive.org/details/antifederalist_0707_librivox The Federal Farmer

            The NATO 5.56 round used by US military in the M16’s (AR 15’s)
            are designed to tumble once they strike soft tissue. This tumbling will
            cause the round to not always follow a straight line & will cause
            significant internal damage to soft tissue & any organs that it
            encounters. Probably handgun ammo wounds would like dramatically different.

          • http://www.hawksmountain.com patcii

            That is the most inane argument I ever heard. A teacher armed with a chair could take him down while he reloaded a musket.

          • FlyoverGuy

            The remark about the musket was a rhetorical device called “hyperbole,” Patrick.

            Because you missed my obvious point, I will spell it out at greater length.

            Mitch McTurtle implicitly suggested that the AR-15 was uniquely suited to such shootings and that if we could get rid of AR-15s, we could end such shootings. As AR-15s are not particularly powerful, the only way in which they are particularly dangerous is the fact that one can fire many shots from them in a given amount of time.

            My counterpoint was that the firing rate of an AR-15 was not a significant factor in the outcome. In 15 or 20 minutes, Lanza could have fired as many shots as you like from many firearms, including many, many firearms that will be legal under any proposed “assault weapon” ban.

            Therefore, Mitch McTurtle was incorrect: Banning ARs will not prevent or significantly hinder mass shootings.

            Next time, Patrick, I suggest that you put on your thinking cap before you reply.

          • http://www.hawksmountain.com patcii

            I am very well aware of the use of “hyperbole”, but if you are going to use it, then you must also employ some logic.

            Let us suppose that instead of a rifle with a lot of bullets, we are talking about 10 hand guns with 10 bullets each. Or, even simpler – one handgun, with 10 cartridges, each with 10 bullets.

            I am told that it takes 2 seconds to put a new cartridge into a pistol after the current one is expended. Now, a lot can happen in two seconds … especially after the second clip needs to be replaced.

            Where are all those clips being carried? How much time will expire if he fumbles one? In two seconds, or perhaps a few more, he could be tackled, hit with a chair, or if someone has the training, have his neck broken. So, after 20 bullets, he might actually be stopped. Not as quickly as if he had a musket, but certainly faster than if he had a rifle with a high cap magazine.

            He wouldn’t have those 15-20 minutes, because he wouldn’t be able to keep firing at the same rate for the whole time. At some point, there would be a delay – enough for someone to stop or slow him down.

            I apologize for not spelling out my initial response.

          • FlyoverGuy

            First, Lanza was shooting up a grade school, not an Army barracks or police station. If it is like other grade schools, there were probably only a couple people on the campus who had the physical ability and psychological willingness to try to physically stop an adult male — even a skinny, nerdy adult.

            Second, during a shooting, almost everyone runs and/or hides. One would have to be very brave to hang out, a few steps away, waiting for him to reload. No one at the school was doing so.

            Third, the solution to the reloading problem is a bit easier than you think. A magazine on a handgun can be changed in a second or two. Extra magazines can be carried in many ways, including in pouches on your belt or in a bag over your shoulder. Revolvers can be reloaded with speedloaders in a few seconds. Shotguns and many rifles can be reloaded one shell at a time, before they are empty. (See Columbine.) Mass shooters can and do carry multiple guns, keeping one loaded at all times.

            It is true that — all else equal — I would want mass shooters to carry guns that have to be reloaded often. Even assuming that gun control laws could accomplish this, it would not have helped much in this case, shooting at a room full of 7-year olds.

            In short, Mitch McTurtle was still wrong in suggesting that banning AR-15s would prevent — or even significantly mitigate — mass shootings like the one in Newtown.

          • FlyoverGuy

            First, Lanza was shooting up a grade school, not an Army barracks or police station. If it is like other grade schools, there were probably only a couple people on the campus who had the physical ability and psychological willingness to try to physically stop an adult male — even a skinny, nerdy adult.

            Second, during a shooting, almost everyone runs and/or hides. One would have to be very brave to hang out, a few steps away, waiting for him to reload. No one at the school was doing so.

            Third, the solution to the reloading problem is a bit easier than you think. A magazine on a handgun can be changed in a second or two. Extra magazines can be carried in many ways, including in pouches on your belt or in a bag over your shoulder. Revolvers can be reloaded with speedloaders in a few seconds. Shotguns and many rifles can be reloaded one shell at a time, before they are empty. (See Columbine.) Mass shooters can and do carry multiple guns, keeping one loaded at all times.

            It is true that — all else equal — I would want mass shooters to carry guns that have to be reloaded often. Even assuming that gun control laws could accomplish this, it would not have helped much in this case, shooting at a room full of 7-year olds.

            In short, Mitch McTurtle was still wrong in suggesting that banning AR-15s would prevent — or even significantly mitigate — mass shootings like the one in Newtown.

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Bill-von-Besser/1348039459 Bill von Besser

            WOW! You need a time out.

            “Or, even simpler – one handgun, with 10 cartridges, each with 10 bullets.”

            What does that even mean?

            “I am told that it takes 2 seconds to put a new cartridge into a pistol after the current one is expended. Now, a lot can happen in two seconds … especially after the second clip needs to be replaced.”

            Who told you that? The Easter bunny? Put a new cartridge into a pistol after the current one is expended. WTF? You don’t even know what a cartridge, a clip, a bullet or a magazine are. And, what does a musket have to do with anything?

            You should refrain from commenting on subjects you clearly know absolutely nothing about.

          • http://www.hawksmountain.com patcii

            I am very well aware of the use of “hyperbole”, but if you are going to use it, then you must also employ some logic.

            Let us suppose that instead of a rifle with a lot of bullets, we are talking about 10 hand guns with 10 bullets each. Or, even simpler – one handgun, with 10 cartridges, each with 10 bullets.

            I am told that it takes 2 seconds to put a new cartridge into a pistol after the current one is expended. Now, a lot can happen in two seconds … especially after the second clip needs to be replaced.

            Where are all those clips being carried? How much time will expire if he fumbles one? In two seconds, or perhaps a few more, he could be tackled, hit with a chair, or if someone has the training, have his neck broken. So, after 20 bullets, he might actually be stopped. Not as quickly as if he had a musket, but certainly faster than if he had a rifle with a high cap magazine.

            He wouldn’t have those 15-20 minutes, because he wouldn’t be able to keep firing at the same rate for the whole time. At some point, there would be a delay – enough for someone to stop or slow him down.

            I apologize for not spelling out my initial response.

          • Ava

            Not if the teacher is already dead.

          • Ava

            Not if the teacher is already dead.

          • abqblondie2

            He left the AR in the car. He shot them with four hand guns. This isn’t about guns, this is about our RIGHTS and FREEDOM.

          • Milhouse

            Have it your way. How many lives are lost each year because of the fourth, fifth, sixth, and eighth amendments? If only the police could search wherever they liked, and lock up forever everyone they suspected of a crime, or who is statistically likely to commit a crime, then the crime rate would plummet, and those of us not locked up would all be a lot safer. But we don’t do that, because liberty is more important than mere lives. We If you’re willing to sacrifice dozens or hundreds of lives each year for the bill of rights, not to mention the thousands of men who’ve lost their lives in battle to establish and defend it, then how are these twenty any different?

          • Milhouse

            Have it your way. How many lives are lost each year because of the fourth, fifth, sixth, and eighth amendments? If only the police could search wherever they liked, and lock up forever everyone they suspected of a crime, or who is statistically likely to commit a crime, then the crime rate would plummet, and those of us not locked up would all be a lot safer. But we don’t do that, because liberty is more important than mere lives. We If you’re willing to sacrifice dozens or hundreds of lives each year for the bill of rights, not to mention the thousands of men who’ve lost their lives in battle to establish and defend it, then how are these twenty any different?

          • Matt Thrift

            he didn’t use an AR 15. would you feel better if the school was bombed or set on fire?

          • obloodyhell

            Precisely — BTW, This was “the worst” incident at an elementary school ONLY if you use the word “Shooting”. Which of course the media continually lies by omission about by using that word

            The worst incident in terms of deaths at an elementary school didn’t involve a single person being SHOT — Wiki “Bath School disaster”

          • http://www.hawksmountain.com patcii

            So, let me get this straight … you are comparing an even that took almost a year to plan and set up to someone “snapping” and killing almost as many people. Are you aware of the term “false equivalency”?

          • http://www.hawksmountain.com patcii

            So, let me get this straight … you are comparing an even that took almost a year to plan and set up to someone “snapping” and killing almost as many people. Are you aware of the term “false equivalency”?

          • Ava

            I’m sure no one is happy about the loss of life, especially those of us who are pro-life and respect all life no matter the stage. However, the point that is being made here is that if someone is deranged enough to want to take the lives of these innocent children he or she will use anything at his or her disposal. If not a gun, it would be a bomb, or poison or an airborne toxin. It’s the intent, not the means that should be at issue here. Until this is addressed, there will never be an end to the violence, regardless of the tool used to carry it out.

          • Ava

            I’m sure no one is happy about the loss of life, especially those of us who are pro-life and respect all life no matter the stage. However, the point that is being made here is that if someone is deranged enough to want to take the lives of these innocent children he or she will use anything at his or her disposal. If not a gun, it would be a bomb, or poison or an airborne toxin. It’s the intent, not the means that should be at issue here. Until this is addressed, there will never be an end to the violence, regardless of the tool used to carry it out.

          • Matt Thrift

            he didn’t use an AR 15. would you feel better if the school was bombed or set on fire?

          • bo ure

            Let me guess, McTurtle, you skipped the logic classes. Come on, it shows. Emote much? Tell us all you know about AR-15s, but wait, I’ll get a thimble.

          • Yalitzer

            You just proved to everyone how uninformed you sheep really are.

          • Barry Gipson

            The real nut was the boy with mental issues who was allowed access to the weapons, but let’s not go in to the real issue, its easier for people like you to take out the splinter with a chainsaw.

          • obloodyhell

            That anything like killing cockroaches with an AR-15?
            😀

          • $8245944

            So, I can’t defend myself and my children from a violent sexual predator because a mentally ill kid went on a murder spree?

            How is that fair?

          • hosi

            My friends son was killed in a car crash. So why, are we still allowed to drive cars? Not a very good case is it…

            As a father, that has buried a daughter, that secumed to an illness, I feel the pain of the parents and relitives of the shooting in Ct. but, the gun did not kill the people in Ct. The idiot individual did. Unfortunatly we have way to many bad journalists out there that are feeding americans a one sided story or complete lines of B.S. and are not being held accountable for their wrong doings. The Neil Heslin story is exactly that. KEN DIXON shame on you for even calling your self a reporter. You lied to the american public and I hope you and the connecticut post get held accountable by the american public. In my words they are as bad, if not worse than the shootist himself.
            It’s sad and I’m sorry MitchMcTurtle that you and allot of other americans were misled by our unaccountable, lieing, news reporters of today…

            hosi

          • $8245944

            I’m sorry about your daughter.

          • $8245944

            I’m sorry about your daughter.

          • hosi

            My friends son was killed in a car crash. So why, are we still allowed to drive cars? Not a very good case is it…

            As a father, that has buried a daughter, that secumed to an illness, I feel the pain of the parents and relitives of the shooting in Ct. but, the gun did not kill the people in Ct. The idiot individual did. Unfortunatly we have way to many bad journalists out there that are feeding americans a one sided story or complete lines of B.S. and are not being held accountable for their wrong doings. The Neil Heslin story is exactly that. KEN DIXON shame on you for even calling your self a reporter. You lied to the american public and I hope you and the connecticut post get held accountable by the american public. In my words they are as bad, if not worse than the shootist himself.
            It’s sad and I’m sorry MitchMcTurtle that you and allot of other americans were misled by our unaccountable, lieing, news reporters of today…

            hosi

          • abqblondie2

            He used four handguns, he left the so called “assault” weapon in the car. The recent mass shootings have all been perpetrated by mentally unstable people, Guns are inanimate objects, they cannot do anything on their own, Blame the user not the gun. You cannot legislate morality. I don’t own a gun, but should I want to I have a RIGHT. You just cannot infringe on people’s rights, but Obama and his cronies are slowly and surely eating away at our rights. (It may behoove you to remember, that the first thing Hitler did when he came to power, was to take away people’s guns, and their RIGHT to defend themselves. Hence MILLIONS of Jews, gypsies and the mentally ill were slaughtered. Hitler often used children to further his agenda also.) Obama’s whole Presidency is replete with Constitution busting actions. We are all pawns now in his Marxist reign. He is a dictator and the sooner you all realize, it the more chance we have to regain our freedom.

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002109532283 Jillane Kent

            They were killed for that purpose, specifically?
            Here I was thinking that a man with a mental disorder killed them in a bizarre psychotic break….

      • http://profiles.google.com/sanddog Ms Anonymous

        Are you always this obtuse?

        He asked why anyone needed an “assault weapon” or “high capacity clips” (neither of which he could define accurately if his life depended on it) and was answered.

        I’m sorry he lost his child but that doesn’t give him any “moral authority” to decide what type of weapons law abiding citizens should own.

        • civisisus

          You pathetic saps, slavishly doing the bidding of the sociopath laPierre and his bloated backers. Stop fondling your greasy, filthy toys for just a moment and think – feel – for yourselves.

          You’re being used, again, by people who treat you like garbage every chance they get. They wouldn’t lift a toothpick, let alone a mass murder weapon, to defend you or your deranged notion of self-defense rights.

          Away from cameras & microphones, they laugh at you! I’ve watched them do it! I’ve joined them!

          • $8245944

            You’re not getting our guns, little fascist. Deal with it.

          • http://www.hawksmountain.com patcii

            Fascists don’t disarm their people … they arm them and then fill them with fear. Try reading some history.

          • $8245944

            My rights come from God: Fascists like you are trying to take them away. Not gonna work, useful idiot.

            MOLON LABE

          • mojo lito

            Umm, hello, I don’t know what history books your reading, but try Hitler, Mao, Stalin, Castro, Pot. All fascist, and all disarmed their people.

          • http://www.hawksmountain.com patcii
          • mojo lito

            Right, because Wikipedia is such a valid, all knowing source of information, please

          • mojo lito

            Right, because Wikipedia is such a valid, all knowing source of information, please

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002109532283 Jillane Kent

            Seriously? Wikipedia?
            Rather than quibble, please educate the class about the gun positions for private citizens of Mao, Stalin, Hitler, and Pol Pot

          • mojo lito

            Umm, hello, I don’t know what history books your reading, but try Hitler, Mao, Stalin, Castro, Pot. All fascist, and all disarmed their people.

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002109532283 Jillane Kent

            Oh my, that was an exceptionally ignorant statement.

          • obloodyhell

            ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ

          • $8245944

            Come and take.

          • $8245944

            You’re not getting our guns, little fascist. Deal with it.

          • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_T3ADMWWDLD2T4VJLOM6IGGLRGQ James

            “They wouldn’t lift a toothpick, let alone a mass murder weapon, to defend you or your deranged notion of self-defense rights.” Do you think the police or federal govt would be there to defend when you needed them. NO they show up after the fact.

          • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_T3ADMWWDLD2T4VJLOM6IGGLRGQ James

            ALso I guess you would be perfectly fine with the innocent people that would surely die if the govt decided to confiscate the “assault” weapons that are already out there.

          • Ronald

            Why would innocent people die?

          • $8245944

            Because they would rather die on their feet than live on their knees?

          • Ronald

            So life without guns is not worth living? That’s kind of an extreme viewpoint, no?

          • $8245944

            Principles are worth dying for; but since you don’t have any you wouldn’t understand.

          • Ronald

            Some principles are worth dying for, no doubt. However, claiming that I have no principles out of hand suggests that you sir, are much too quick to judge. A person of high moral character and principles might know that.

          • $8245944

            I have both so I’m more than qualified to judge.

          • Ronald

            Being qualified to judge, and being too quick to do so are two different things. btw. I’d like to know what you consider high moral character. Have you lived up to your own standards on this (and other forums) in your interactions with others?

          • $8245944

            I try to. I detest posers who pretend they’re something they’re not. Ring a bell?

          • Ronald

            Then just be yourself. No need to pretend that you are fair and unbiased right? If you’re a mean-spirited, hateful person, you can admit it?

            But I think you are probably just very frustrated, and angry and you’ve let that get the better of you at times. I have too. That is not meant to sound pejorative. We are all human.

          • $8245944

            I’m crushed! Where’s the love, my little Fascist? lol

          • Ronald

            Can you think of anything worse to call a person? Fascist is your devil term, and now you use it against someone because they are calling for a higher standard of conduct. Is the desire to treat people with respect fascist?

            I had assumed you were a reasonable person. Was I wrong?

          • $8245944

            Devil? How quaint! I didn’t think you atheists believed in the devil. lol

          • Ronald

            Oh, so maybe fascist wasn’t your worst insult? Now you call me an atheist? Well, I’m not. I believe in God and follow the teachings of Jesus, which is why I display a higher standard of behaviour than you.
            If Jesus could read your posts, he would be saddened by the way you treat your fellow humans. It’s sick, and it’s a disgrace.

            I’m starting to wonder if you are just playing a role to stir up controversy. Nobody I’ve encountered online has more hate and poison in them then you. Get on your knees and repent. It will do you some good brother.

            Tip: If you would like to know what a devil term is please read this: http://www.drw.utexas.edu/roberts-miller/handouts/demagoguery

          • $8245944

            Now you’re speaking for Jesus Christ? Whew! Delusions of grandeur much?

          • $8245944

            Devil? How quaint! I didn’t think you atheists believed in the devil. lol

          • $8245944

            You’re still not getting our guns. Reasonable enough for you?

          • Ronald

            Sure. Yawn.

          • $8245944

            Good. We’re done then.

          • obloodyhell

            Because they would.

            We grant you are categorically incapable of seeing the government as anything but the benign, wonderful farmer who feeds you and keeps your glossy coat nice and clean, but some of us are aware that, sooner or later, he decides it’s time to eat some lambchops.

            We also grasp that your foolish imaginings that disarming the sheepdogs is going to somehow protect you from the wolves is going to have the exact opposite effect… and, being GOOD sheepdogs, have no intention of letting you disarm us.

            And we’ll take out any agents of the farmer’s who you send out to declaw and untooth us. There are more of usmany more — than there are agents of the farmer. That’s another thing you don’t get. We can handle a one-for-one exchange, or even a ten-for-one exchange, if you insist we make our intention to NOT be rendered weaponless even more blatantly clear.

          • Ronald

            I think you need some fresh air. Take a deep breath and relax. I asked a simple question, and you go off on an freaking insane rant. It’s disturbing to even try to imagine the place of fear and loathing that you are coming from.

          • $8245944

            He’s responding to the hate and loathing from your side.

          • Ronald

            What side do you think I am on? Do some research before you make quick judgements. You’re better than that.

          • $8245944

            Thanks for your “concern.” lol
            No one hates like the hateful left.

          • Ronald

            Well, I disagree with much of the so-called left, but I do not, and never will demonize them or call them names. I would rather work out our differences peacefully and with respect. When an impasse is reached, we have a system for dealing with that in democracy, which is the beauty of living in a free society.

          • $8245944

            You’ve got it backwards, babe: The left hates and demonizes us, and the last thing they want is a ‘free’ society.

            But you already knew that.

          • Ronald

            I admit some (but certainly not all) on the left comport themselves poorly. That doesn’t mean I have to as well. I choose to be better than that, and no less effective as a result.

            Twitchy is good at highlighting examples of leftwing individuals behaving badly, firing people up with moral outrage and feeding the confirmation bias that they are all the same. Some folks probably even enjoy the feeling of moral outrage, much like watching a scary movie or riding a roller coaster. However, only the strongest, most principled amongst our ranks can avoid lowering ourselves to the standards of our worst opponents.

            It is possible to win the day through rational argument and debate. Plus, I’ve always thought that you can catch more bees with honey than with vinegar.

          • $8245944

            I have a great idea for you! Why don’t you get on your soapbox and smugly lecture the haters on the left about “civility?”
            Now, that would do some good.

            Better wear a bullet-proof vest when you do, though. lol

          • Ronald

            Now you’re feeling defensive. I get it. But I don’t have a vested interest in improving the civility of the left. Conservatives must lead by example. If the example is set by the left, then what good would that do?

            Anyway, I’m sure we’ve covered the ground we needed to. Any more discussion would surely degrade into the same old feedback loop I am trying to avoid. Have a good night.

          • $8245944

            You’re projecting, hon. I don’t take you seriously enough to be defensive.

            I think the left should lead for a change. I’m surprised and shocked that a wise man such as yourself wouldn’t agree.

            Later.

          • Ronald

            Here is a sampling of the comments I got from some folks on the left when addressing civil discourse:

            “Does it come from both sides? SURE IT DOES and it is about 99% from republicans to 1% from democrats so when you can get the Cult to quit then you can ask democrats to consider quitting.”

            “Do you know we have this C-span thing where you can hear conservatives name calling on the House floor and in the well of the Senate?”

            “In the Era of Ideological Extremism—which by the way was made possible somewhat by the icon you worship—civil discourse is way overrated.”

            If anything, this just indicates that the most common excuse for poor behaviour is pointing to the other guy and saying, “Look, they do it too!” Or, “They do it too, and worse than we do!”

            It reminds me of my kids, before they grew up and learned that pointing out bad behaviour in someone else is no excuse at all.

            Whatever, I guess if everyone is satisfied with this mess, then who am I to argue. *shakes head*

          • $8245944

            Selective aren’t we? You’re still not getting our guns.

          • Ronald

            Boring. You’re still not getting the point.

          • Ronald

            You’re still not getting the point. It might help if you actually read what I wrote. Pay attention and you might learn something.

          • $8245944

            Unfortunately for you I do get the point: The Second Amendment shall NOT be infringed.”

            Deal with it.

          • $8245944

            Selective aren’t we? You’re still not getting our guns.

          • http://archive.org/details/antifederalist_0707_librivox The Federal Farmer

            He’s also responding from an educated knowledge of recent world history.

          • http://archive.org/details/antifederalist_0707_librivox The Federal Farmer

            He’s also responding from an educated knowledge of recent world history.

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Bill-von-Besser/1348039459 Bill von Besser

            It is really hard for us to even attempt to understand the fear and loathing you antis have of inanimate objects. This is a sign of severe mental disorder.

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Bill-von-Besser/1348039459 Bill von Besser

            Are you really THAT stupid?

          • $8245944

            Yup.

          • Ronald

            Not all of us. There are some conservatives who embrace smart reforms on gun laws. I am one of them.

          • $8245944

            Give yours up then. You’re a disgrace to our Founders.

          • Ronald

            Reforms do not mean giving up all guns. They mean smart reforms. If you think very long and hard, you might be able to think of ways that the laws could be improved.

          • $8245944

            We have more than enough laws on the books. It’s not my fault they’re not enforced.

            More laws just mean we’re closer to confiscation.

          • $8245944

            Give yours up then. You’re a disgrace to our Founders.

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Bill-von-Besser/1348039459 Bill von Besser

            I don’t know of any true conservative who embrace any reforms. There are now at least 20,000 gun laws on the books. Every time we allow another to be passed you come back with your hat in your hand wanting to infringe on our rights yet again. What will be enough? The more truthful among you clearly state they will not be satisfied until all private ownership of any type of firearm is outlawed. I, for one, am done. No more, not one more inch.

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Bill-von-Besser/1348039459 Bill von Besser

            You pathetic saps, slavishly doing the bidding of the sociopath politicians and their bloated backers. Stop fondling your greasy, filthy organs for just a moment and think for yourselves.

            You’re being used, again, by politicians who treat you like garbage every chance they get. They wouldn’t lift a toothpick to defend you or your deranged notion of an imaginary right to “feel” safe.

            Away from cameras & microphones, the politicians laugh at you! I’ve watched them do it!

            There fixed it for you!

          • $8245944

            Really disgusting but funny!

        • civisisus

          You pathetic saps, slavishly doing the bidding of the sociopath laPierre and his bloated backers. Stop fondling your greasy, filthy toys for just a moment and think – feel – for yourselves.

          You’re being used, again, by people who treat you like garbage every chance they get. They wouldn’t lift a toothpick, let alone a mass murder weapon, to defend you or your deranged notion of self-defense rights.

          Away from cameras & microphones, they laugh at you! I’ve watched them do it! I’ve joined them!

      • http://profiles.google.com/sanddog Ms Anonymous

        Are you always this obtuse?

        He asked why anyone needed an “assault weapon” or “high capacity clips” (neither of which he could define accurately if his life depended on it) and was answered.

        I’m sorry he lost his child but that doesn’t give him any “moral authority” to decide what type of weapons law abiding citizens should own.

      • http://chicagoboyz.net/ TMLutas

        Nice bait and switch. He actually asked if there was a reason why anybody would have such a gun. There actually are a number of technical reasons and some policy reasons why such guns should be legal.

        Nobody seriously argues that we ban Hummers after some lunatic plows through a crowd with one. And if a distraught father wanted to ban them, there would be no hearings on it, and if a hearing were somehow scheduled, people would not be demonized for their defense of being able to purchase, own, or use that model car. This is because we have a consensus about personal mobility and the right to move. It doesn’t have to be explained.

        Because the media has so long misinformed so much of the public about the use and role of firearms our previous consensus on arms has been badly dented and such explanations are actually necessary. This journalistic malpractice set the scene for this sad incident.

        The father is due a reasonable amount of slack. He gets to wave the bloody shirt of his dead child. He gets special dispensation. Does he really get the right to mischaracterize the other side’s silent respect for his grief as a lack of reason for their honestly held position? Does his slack, his dispensation stretch forever?

      • http://chicagoboyz.net/ TMLutas

        Nice bait and switch. He actually asked if there was a reason why anybody would have such a gun. There actually are a number of technical reasons and some policy reasons why such guns should be legal.

        Nobody seriously argues that we ban Hummers after some lunatic plows through a crowd with one. And if a distraught father wanted to ban them, there would be no hearings on it, and if a hearing were somehow scheduled, people would not be demonized for their defense of being able to purchase, own, or use that model car. This is because we have a consensus about personal mobility and the right to move. It doesn’t have to be explained.

        Because the media has so long misinformed so much of the public about the use and role of firearms our previous consensus on arms has been badly dented and such explanations are actually necessary. This journalistic malpractice set the scene for this sad incident.

        The father is due a reasonable amount of slack. He gets to wave the bloody shirt of his dead child. He gets special dispensation. Does he really get the right to mischaracterize the other side’s silent respect for his grief as a lack of reason for their honestly held position? Does his slack, his dispensation stretch forever?

      • mojo lito

        I am sure those people will feel a lot better when their children are killed by a home invader because these knee jerk politicians ban the guns they COULD have used to defend them.

        • $8245944

          They don’t give a damn about people–they only care about power and control.

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Bill-von-Besser/1348039459 Bill von Besser

            This.

      • mojo lito

        I am sure those people will feel a lot better when their children are killed by a home invader because these knee jerk politicians ban the guns they COULD have used to defend them.

    • WillyK

      yes cause your vote somehow is worth more than someone elses? Funny, you’re not as smart as you think you are.

      • obloodyhell

        LOL, Her annoyance is that there are lots of people like you who think that their vote SHOULD matter regardless of how blatantly ignorant the voter is on a subject.

        A responsible voter should
        1) RESEARCH their votes before voting
        2) Refrain from voting on issues they have not spent any time investigating.

        (and yes, in case you were going to ask — I do exactly as I preach)

        So yes, her vote IS — and will always be — worth more than someone else WHO HAS NOT RESEARCHED the issues. This has nothing to do with the conclusions they’ve drawn which led them to vote for or against the issues she is voting for or against.

        The notion that you should vote regardless of what you know is absolutely, utterly anathema to the concept of voting in the first place.

        Voters are supposed to be literate and informed on the issues they are casting their vote on.

        • WillyK

          agreed

    • BaseballandPie

      Marie, a higher percentage of college educated voters vote in the Democratic column so may I ask – are you implying that the “uninformed voter” doesn’t exist on both sides? If you are, you should re-think your own merits in being “educated” and perhaps read a little bit more before casting another vote.

      • $8245944

        Many more uneducated welfare voters vote democrat, too. Not only are they ill-informed, they’re on the dole. They’re the only reason Obama was re-elected.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002109532283 Jillane Kent

    Glenn Beck did a very powerful interview with three of the affected families. I saw no heckling there, nor anywhere else for that matter. I have, however, seen a lot of dancing upon the graves by those who seek to use their memories to achieve their goals.

  • John C. Oldham

    Briefly set aside liberal lunacy and answer the question of why he is pushing for the ban of assault weapons when no assault weapon was used in the shooting and all evidence points to the use of four handguns…

    • NachoCheese (D)

      Sorry but you are wrong on that.

      Police report on weapons seized at the the school:
      http://www.ct.gov/despp/cwp/view.asp?Q=517284&A=4226
      —–
      Seized inside the school:
      #1. Bushmaster .223 caliber– model XM15-E2S rifle with high capacity 30 round magazine
      #2. Glock 10 mm handgun
      #3. Sig-Sauer P226 9mm handgun
      —–

      Please keep the debate based on established fact. Arguing via an already disproved rumor only harms attempts to beat back the gun grabbers.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/O45HRZ3ZPUCSR2V3YM7GGS2ZZA Candy

        later…corrected by the police

        • NachoCheese (D)

          The link I provided says it was last updated on “January 18, 2013”.

          Do you have a link from an official source that is counter to the one I provided?

    • SideshowJon36

      MSNBC was wrong (imagine that) when they said there was no Bushmaster.

  • nobamasux

    An assault weapon wasn’t used…..you can thank bHUSSEINSo media for lying.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Duke-Fawcett/100000451488181 Duke Fawcett

      Nice icon, you should added the word “dick” because from what I understand he was doing guys back in the day too.

    • NachoCheese (D)

      Sorry but you are wrong on that.

      Police report on weapons seized at the the school:
      http://www.ct.gov/despp/cwp/view.asp?Q=517284&A=4226
      —–
      Seized inside the school:
      #1. Bushmaster .223 caliber– model XM15-E2S rifle with high capacity 30 round magazine
      #2. Glock 10 mm handgun
      #3. Sig-Sauer P226 9mm handgun
      —–

      Please keep the debate based on established fact. Arguing via an
      already disproved rumor only harms attempts to beat back the gun
      grabbers.

  • wolfie773

    Another liberal appeal to emotionalism, abetted by sheer dishonesty. Mr. Heslin’s loss is incomprehensible and his pain his real. They do not, however, supplant basic rights. Attempts by the media to tie inextricably 2nd amendment rights to what occurred in Newtown are false. Do not let them get away with it.

  • John J. Virden

    I’m a little curious of the point of trotting out to little boys father to talk about something that was not even part of the Sandy Hook story. That is a little deceptive in itself. No one was shot with a bushmaster. At best the poor dad is being used.

    • $21367552

      Good lord, please don’t comment anymore, you are just embarassing the 25% on this site who are not complete loons.

  • http://pennyrobinsonfanclub.net/ PennyRobinsonFanClub

    Meanwhile, how much press/attention is being given to the similarly grieving father who has spoken up to say that guns and some lack of gun regulation are not the problems?

  • http://from1776toeternity.blogspot.com/ Sonny Farmer

    Please support “assault weapons”. So called “assault”-style weapons are used to defend off larger groups of combatants, mobs, or clans. Handguns and shotguns are not nearly as effective as rifles with larger magazines and range. They are essential in defending the People from potential tyranny. The people in media lying again doesn’t surprise me at all, just pisses me off some more.

  • Fred Fumducker

    It’s nothing new about the left fabricating and editing news. They started back in 1960 and have been slowly turning news into Orwellian “news speak”. They change the facts to suit their argument/agenda. Not to mention taking Josef Goebbels belief that “If you tell a big enough lie long enough people will believe it” to the extreme. He’d be really proud of what our news media has become.

  • SemperfiWarrior

    I feel for the mans lost, however I lost a 17year old brother that was shot to death 1984

    I never blamed it on the gun, I just wanted to find the person that killed my brother.

    It’s evil,hate, and sickness that kills. Sick people kill with poison,bats,knives and yes guns. How about we focus on getting bad people off the streets. Enforce laws already in place.

    • TomJB

      Oo-rah, marine.

      • SemperfiWarrior

        SemperFi!!!

    • http://www.facebook.com/joan.wilcox.35 Joan Wilcox

      our entire school lost a good friend in 1973 to a gun officially it was ruled a hunting accident, no one was ever sought out for that crime I still believe it was a way to get to the boys father because he held high standards for his business.

    • BlueGood

      so sorry about your Brother Bro…the loss never leaves, great to read you have some good perspective….wish you coulda found the SOB as well….

      God Bless you & your Bro!

    • Melissa

      @SemperfiWarrior:disqus , I agree with you. There are thousands of people that die everyday due to something or another. They want to ban guns totally and putting a ban on any one gun starts that ugly process. If the boy had not had access to guns he could have used anything. You can google “how to make a bomb”. I feel sorry for the parents and other people that lost children and family and friends. Let’s talk sensless killing, lets talk about abortions but no they dont want to talk about that. Abortion kills more babies each year than guns, cancer and other tragic happenings. Guns dont kill, people do. forks dont make people over eat, pencils dont mispell words.
      Leave our guns alone!!!!!!!!!!!

    • RightAsAlways

      Really? A voice of reason? Common sence? SOMEONE who realizes that this is a PEOPLE problem, not a GUN problem? that it was a ‘person’ who pulled that trigger, not a renegade gun? We have a cancer in our society and its called “civility” not “guns”. Liberals are not willing to accept personal reponsibilty for thier own actions or place the blame where it is due. Guns, Welfare, Immigration…it doesn’t matter, the Left is not RIGHT.

      • Ronald

        What is the cure for civility? How is being civil a bad thing?

        • tcvegas

          Put a sock in it troll. You know exactly what he means.

          • Ronald

            Oh? Do you have special knowledge about what I do or do not know? Please let the man answer his own question. I’m sure he’s more than capable of speaking for himself.

        • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002109532283 Jillane Kent

          Did you read his post and comprehend his word before posing this question?

    • heglock

      Same here Marine. Our loved one was murdered by three black gang members out to “do a white boy.” They used a revolver. Several years later our government’s answer was to to try and ban objects I owned instead of attacking criminals. One accomplice did get out after 7 years, robbed a shop owner in LA and was killed by the shop owner. Justice was finally served. One of these days the other two will get theirs.

    • heglock

      Same here Marine. Our loved one was murdered by three black gang members out to “do a white boy.” They used a revolver. Several years later our government’s answer was to to try and ban objects I owned instead of attacking criminals. One accomplice did get out after 7 years, robbed a shop owner in LA and was killed by the shop owner. Justice was finally served. One of these days the other two will get theirs.

    • Ronald

      Agreed. There is far too much hate and sickness in this world.

  • RK

    Please tell me again, how these libtards keep getting elected, including the Pres.? I really can’t understand how this keeps happening; I refuse to believe our citizens are this pathetic as a majority. Republicans, Conservatives, Libertarians, etc. need to freeking unite & become one party, stand up, and put an end to this mess.

    • Netmilsmom
      • $21367552

        That’s interesting why then in only those states with Republican governors/house but that went for Obama last year are they pushing to change how electoral college votes are portioned?

        • mike_in_kosovo

          You mean like many of the liberal sites were clamoring for in 2004?

    • American.Irish12

      Because the “libtards”‘ opponents were against a stimulus which contained one-thirds tax cuts and prevented a recession becoming a depression (read the Economist, a right-leaning newspaper for details on this), started two wars which led to economic and military disaster, seem to want to start a third against Iran despite the people being against it, opposed an auto-bailout which saved the car industry in Michigan, wanted to deport millions of hard-working immigrants who were providing cheap labor in jobs Americans didn’t even want to work, nominated a candidate who said 47% of Americans are moochers who won’t take responsibility…. TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION THESE ARE JUST SOME OF THE REASONS NOW STOP WATCHING SEAN HANNITY AND GET OUTSIDE THE RIGHTWING BUBBLE

      • RK

        You don’t bail out anyone. That is a big economic “no no” You let a company file for bankruptcy, re-structure, and trim the fat. They got the stimulus and then still filed for a bankruptcy, which is pathetic. GM got a stimulus for votes from the unions. The car industry is doing just fine in the right to work states where the foreign manufacturers are now building in the US. Americans need to get off their asses and do the jobs that immigrants will do. That is part of the problem with many people’s mindsets; there is work; just lazy people who think some work is beneath them. A stimulus bill contains no tax cuts by the way, because a stimulus is a tax in itself for the working Americans. Stimulus is just a name for a tax so it will pass; marketing 101.

  • StrikeSudden

    Just not shocked anymore. But they do need to be called on it every time.

  • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EeBeq0i03bg Booker

    Ahh, yes. MSNBC editing a video. What’s new?

    • Rabid

      And if Gawker reports it…it MUST be true!

    • GaryTheBrave

      With every right comes responsibility. By covering only part of the story to skew it the MSM is using their “right” irresponsibly. If there was an NRA for the MSM none of them would qualify for membership ™.

      (tm) The NRA does not allow convicted felons, drug users, any person who used a gun in the commission of a crime, nor any person to adjudicated to be criminally insane to be a member of the Association.

  • SameJerkDifferentName

    When defending against a mob invading your home, an assault rifle would be IDEAL. http://www.rrstar.com/news/x1781258969/Loves-Park-police-arrest-five-for-home-invasion and in the event of just one or two invaders, it gives you the option of blasting the crap out of them and making a bloody mess for the coroner. WooHooo! That’s what I’m talkin’ about. You break in my house and I’m gonna canoe out your head . http://www.homeinvasionnews.com/home-invasion-shootings-seem-more-common-lately/ .

  • Foxxman

    The media covering events like this are simply not journalists. Journalists report the facts. These people are MAKING UP the news. Somehow they view themselves as part of Hollywood now, no more responsible for what they say than any writer from tinseltown.

    • GaryTheBrave

      Just as there are differences between politicians and statesmen.

  • pairadimes

    This behavior by the media still seems to surprise people, but the truth is that the media has long ago abandoned ethics in favor of an agenda shared with radical liberal political leadership.
    It is time for all Americans to come to terms with the fact that the media no longer performs the traditional role of a check against power; instead, it is an instrument to increase statist power and control through direct influence that involves omitting truth, revising history and dispensing propaganda.

    Time to fully grasp the implications of this new reality.

    • TundraThunder

      Nobody is surprised by the actions of the LSM! People are just getting very tired of the lies from the media!

  • http://www.facebook.com/ljlavaseur Larry LaVaseur
  • orrineldredii

    The left has no morals. They have no standards, unless you count the double standard they use all the time, do as I say, not as I do.

  • The_Questman

    To have MSNBC or any other MSM falsify or change video to meet their agendas is considered fair by communist minded individuals. Anything for the cause. I wouldn’t be surprised if “cut-n-paste” movie maker Michael Moore was asked to help with their editing to make it seem realistic enough to fool the 10 or so idiots that actually watches these poor excuses for “NEWS” outlets.

    For the record Piers Morgan was caught using these cut-n-paste tactics during the Iraq War and was promptly fired from his job. He would NEVER apologize for doing it saying it was justified.

  • Johnny Blade

    So the answer to having unarmed people murdered by armed criminals is to make more unarmed people… well thanks for clearing that up with your herd mentality.. Oo

  • Damon Rexroad

    Start the video at the 15:04 mark to see the exchange. It was definitely NOT heckling. They were simply answering his question.

  • http://www.facebook.com/earl.edwards1 Earl Edwards

    He asked a question and waited for a responce. He waited for a responce. Oh, He waited for a responce. But the responce wasn’t the one he wanted so its called heckling. The media are a bunch of hypocrates who need to be held to a higher standerd and if they misrepresent the truth should lose their job. This is the same as calling anyone who doesn’t agree with them is a raceist. These people are pigs and should no longer be able to write. If it was an opinion it would be one thing but it was a lie and they knew it was thats what makes it so disgusting.

  • Lg

    How do you know the hecklers were supporters of the 2nd Ammendment?

    • NachoCheese (D)

      There were no hecklers, only people who responded to the question the speaker asked the audience. MSDNC then edited the video to make it appear that he was being heckled.

    • LochGates44

      Next step is hiring plants to heckle these people.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000595980093 Gus Gustifer

    Anti gun nut balls have no shame. They would trash Americans standing outside the collectively insane that are using the same old boorish talking points Peirs Morgan uses, while standing on the graves of the dead, promoting an agenda that is morally, constitutionally and sceintifically incorrect. I would and will always stand in opposition of grieving parents using the dead to promote a political agenda that opposes my god given and constitutionally protected rights. My last thought is to suggest they go straight to hell for using their child’s death to destroy others lives. You all supporting this action can join him in hell, because you are all proving your inability to use facts when joining the lefts absurd and destructive direction that this seems to be heading.

  • Michael

    State run media.

  • SideshowJon36

    Even if the original story were true:

    He’s in a political arena. He has no special privileges against disagreement.

  • http://twitter.com/jimni27 Jimni27

    It’s so ironic to me that for the Chris Brown/ Frank Ocean story, Buzzfeed provided three different viewpoints to the accounts, yet for something like this, they just copy and paste MSNBC. Hacks.

  • Sue Copeland

    I listened to the video and the response to this father was indeed very respectfully answering his question. There was already a ban on the guns. He is arguing a moot point. These bans did not save his beloved son. We do feel very deeply sorry for him because of the outrageous deed done by a sick young man. But I fear many more of us will be even more sorry if we let the government gain more control. We have to think this through. A knee jerk reaction is not ever a good policy maker.

  • $21367552

    Yeah we get it, you value the second amendment more than the life of any living breathing human being. “Pro-life” indeed.

    EDIT: Ok too simple to say you value the second amendment, rather you value your convenient interpretation of the second amendment. Right to bear arms? Heck yes. Well regulated militia? Meeehhhh, too much wooork.

    • Numb3rTech

      The local and national media appear to both be telling falsehoods. There are probably very few people that know the actual truth. Obama wants guns out of public hands. He has already joined an agreement to give the U.N. gun control. I am pro life. Especially mine. Having an AR-15 out in the country saved me from a pack of wild hogs. Having a pistol saved me from an attacker. There are situations where there are requirements for each type of gun. Read this if you think Obama does not want your guns http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/item/14237-un-general-assembly-votes-unanimously-to-hammer-out-global-gun-control-treaty it was very informative for me. I will not give up my freedom to the United Nations.

    • Pablo

      I value the Second Amendment because of living, breathing human beings, primarily me and mine.

      • $21367552

        Great comment. I’m sure if asked Nancy Lanza would say something similar on or before December 13, 2012.

        • http://www.facebook.com/corey.dennison Corey Dennison

          Wow…so in your bong-water-infused brain, Pablo is simply an Adam Lanza-in-waiting? You suck, diaknon.

    • TroyGates

      Yeah we get it, you value “water” more than the life of any breathing human being. (More children drown every year than are shot to death, ban water)

      • $21367552

        Citation please. Also drowning deaths are decreasing thanks to better regulation and education regarding water.

    • Sean Connolly

      How many on the right support murder by firearms? Howe many on the left support murder by abortion?
      How many lives have been saved by firearms?

      Sorry abortion lover you don’t get to take the moral high ground.

      • $21367552

        Ummm, yes indeed how many lives have been saved by firearms. You have some anecdotes, but where are the numbers?

        • Pablo

          Here. http://www.guncite.com/gun_control_gcdguse.html

          Approximately 2 million times a year.

          • http://twitter.com/The_Livewire Matthew Morris

            Careful Pablo, might injure him with those facts

        • Thevelvetkitten

          Whooooosh..right over your head.

    • http://twitter.com/JCM1776 JCM

      I value the 2nd because I value liberty, and life.

      Within in living memory 100 million humans have been murdered by their own governments, those 100 million people were first disarmed.

    • wwbdinct

      Way to cover your disgraceful pro-abortion self with the “living, breathing human being” comment. Spin it anyway you want – you’re still a hypocrite

    • dareisay

      Hello…abortion?

    • NachoCheese (D)

      See the SCOTUS Heller decision for a refutation of your “militia” argument.

      Specifically:
      —–
      (1) The Second Amendment protects an individual right to possess a
      firearm unconnected with service in a militia, and to use that arm for
      traditionally lawful purposes, such as self-defense within the home.
      Pp. 2–53.

      (a) The Amendment’s prefatory clause announces a purpose, but does
      not limit or expand the scope of the second part, the operative clause.
      The operative clause’s text and history demonstrate that it connotes an
      individual right to keep and bear arms. Pp. 2–22.

      (b) The prefatory clause comports with the Court’s interpretation of
      the operative clause. The “militia” comprised all males physically
      capable of acting in concert for the common defense. The Antifederalists
      feared that the Federal Government would disarm the people in order to
      disable this citizens’ militia, enabling a politicized standing army or a
      select militia to rule. The response was to deny Congress power to
      abridge the ancient right of individuals to keep and bear arms, so that
      the ideal of a citizens’ militia would be preserved. Pp. 22–28.

      (c) The Court’s interpretation is confirmed by analogous
      arms-bearing rights in state constitutions that preceded and immediately
      followed the Second Amendment. Pp. 28–30.

      (d) The Second Amendment’s drafting history, while of dubious
      interpretive worth, reveals three state Second Amendment proposals that
      unequivocally referred to an individual right to bear arms. Pp. 30–32.

      (e) Interpretation of the Second Amendment by scholars, courts and
      legislators, from immediately after its ratification through the late
      19th century also supports the Court’s conclusion. Pp. 32–47.

      (f) None of the Court’s precedents forecloses the Court’s interpretation. Neither United States v. Cruikshank, 92 U. S. 542 , nor Presser v. Illinois, 116 U. S. 252 , refutes the individual-rights interpretation. United States v. Miller,
      307 U. S. 174 , does not limit the right to keep and bear arms to
      militia purposes, but rather limits the type of weapon to which the
      right applies to those used by the militia, i.e., those in common use
      for lawful purposes. Pp. 47–54
      —–

      Further, according to Chapter 13, Title 10 U.S.C:
      —–
      -EXPCITE-
      TITLE 10 – ARMED FORCES
      Subtitle A – General Military Law
      PART I – ORGANIZATION AND GENERAL MILITARY POWERS
      CHAPTER 13 – THE MILITIA

      -HEAD-
      Sec. 311. Militia: composition and classes

      -STATUTE-
      (a) The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied
      males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section
      313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a
      declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States
      and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the
      National Guard.
      (b) The classes of the militia are –
      (1) the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard
      and the Naval Militia; and
      (2) the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of
      the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the
      Naval Militia.
      —–
      http://uscode.house.gov/download/pls/10C13.txt

    • SDN

      No, we value our civil right of self-defense more than we value Leftists lives.

  • http://twitter.com/JCM1776 JCM

    Neil Helsin:

    “I ask if there’s anybody in this room that can give me one reason or challenge this question … why anybody in this room needs to have one of these assault-style weapons or military weapons or high-capacity clips. [Pause, waiting for response.] Not oneperson can answer that question.”

    There is an answer to your question sir.

    Tench Coxe in The Pennsylvania Gazette, Feb. 20, 1788:

    Who are the militia? are they not ourselves. Is it feared, then, that
    we shall turn our arms each man against his own bosom. Congress have no power to disarm the militia. Their swords, and every other terrible implement of the soldier, are the birth-right of an American…The unlimited power of the sword is not in the hands of either the federal or state governments but, where I trust in God it will ever remain, in the hands of the people.

    The 2nd is about The People having the means in their possession to be able to face a standing army which is imposing tyranny. Using the Coxe formula, everything available to the infantry solider should by rights be premitted the average citizen.

  • Howzah123

    It’s tragic that a lunatic murdered his son, but that doesn’t give him the right to take away my 2nd amendment rights.

    • $21367552

      Then please feel free to collect whatever weapons you want which were available when the 2nd amendment was written.

      • TroyGates

        Where does the 2nd amendment call out what type of “arms” we can have?

        • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=734862248 Dan Hydar

          So… Troy is saying that there should be no limits? Interesting.

          • TroyGates

            Do not punish people for crimes not yet committed, punish them for crimes committed.

      • NachoCheese (D)

        So following your illogic, the 1st Amendment only applies to technologies available at the time it was written…

        Handbills and manually operated newspaper presses!

        • $21367552

          I’m not the one who views the Constitution as a dead, dead, dead document.

          • NachoCheese (D)

            I’m not the one that wishes to manipulate the Constitution’s text & the founders intent in order to achieve whatever feel-good, do-nothing, liberty stealing, short-term poll increasing statist policy that will result in serious, potentially lethal, unintended consequences.

            BTW, while calling the Constitution a “living document” may sound nice, it does not actually imply it is alive. Therefore your witty rejoinder that my not suckling at the statist teet with you means that I believe it to be not just “dead”, but “dead dead dead” is simply moronic, weak, limp wristed trolling. I expect better in the future mkay?

          • Pablo
          • Pablo

            I am, because documents are not alive. And that one doesn’t specify any arms, it just protected the right to keep and bear them.

      • Paulie

        I bet you’d be the first person yelling “censorship” if your comment were to be deleted, and yet the irony would be completely lost on you.

      • Garth Haycock

        Others have correctly pointed out the 1st Amendment issues with which you apparently agree, no? There were no cars back then, so the 4th Amendment doesn’t apply to any searches of cars, right? And that 6th Amendment? Nothing was done electronically, so the courts are wrong to speed up due process using today’s technology, right?

      • Howzah123

        Oh hey nice strawman. The Founders would have loved to have assault weapons during the American Revolution when they fought the gun grabbing British.

        Go find another pathetic talking point on Daily Kos. Thanks

        • http://twitter.com/MatManz Matt Manzella

          You act like other amendments haven’t been changed or added to make the constitution more relevant. Many of the founding fathers loved owning slaves and preventing women from voting too. Should we hold on to those archaic traditions as well? You wanna talk strawman, pro gun extremists like yourself have been holding onto the biggest strawman argument for the last 200+ years.

          • Howzah123

            Oh hey another nice strawman. The Founders were just old white guys who owned slaves now or something. You puppets are all the same. Burping the same lame talking points over and over.

            Nobody is stopping you and your posse of clowns from trying to amend the Constitution. I’d actually have more respect for marxists like you if you’d try and do it the right way, instead of dancing on the bodies of children to ram through more Centralized Government of Control of our society.

          • greg d

            Are we talking about actually legally amending the Constitution though? It seems to me that all of the gun control suggestions are end runs around the Constitution, or “new interpretations” of what’s already on the books. If someone wants to try to amend the Constitution properly, there’s a formal process for doing it. Good luck with that.

      • greg d

        The Bill of Rights doesn’t (and doesn’t need to) specifically tell us what we can do, it sets limits on what the government can do to restrict what we can do. So it’s not restricted by what had been invented at the time.

      • http://www.facebook.com/corey.dennison Corey Dennison

        Awesome. The your freedom of speech is limited to pen and quill, and town criers.
        .
        See what I did there?
        .
        By the way, “U.S. vs Miller, 1936” called…they said you’re a moron.

  • VL123

    I don’t know how the hell he was heckled when he publicly asked “why must u have this?”

  • VL123

    Ya….they put a ban on them…and then your kid is killed with a hand gun.

  • http://www.facebook.com/jmorenotex Joseph Moreno

    I find it even more appalling that the father would use his child as a political token to push for something that had nothing to do with his daughters death.

    • $21367552

      Was his son’s death, and seriously what kind of acid are you using to say it had nothing to do with his child’s death?

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=621411277 Mike Granger

        gun control is what killed the kids NOT the weapons used!

        • RogerfromOhio

          you dont sound stable enough to own guns.

          • http://www.facebook.com/corey.dennison Corey Dennison

            You don’t sound stable enough to use a keyboard.

  • CTL412

    I was there. He spoke for a long time. He was clearly unprepared to speak and so drifted back and forth between topics. you can’t blame him for that, he was clearly upset. He came back later and gave another statement, which I assume was also not mentioned. Like I said, I was there. He asked not once, but several times for someone to justify the need for such weapons, and while we respected his emotions and our belief that the question was rhetorical, it was when he stated that our silence confirmed his statement that no reason exists that some members of the audience responded. Sympathize with Mr. Heslin, he’s suffered a major loss, but once again holding others accountable for the actions of another, that too is despicable.

  • http://www.facebook.com/uacoop Darrell Cooper

    The Media has its own agenda, and it is bc of the government influence (being in bed with one another)!

  • b l

    I’m more amazed by:

    Citizen Speaker: “Can anyone answer me? Anyone?”
    Citizen Listener: “I can”
    Government Official: “Shut up.”

  • Garth Haycock

    So, the left told some lies to push their agenda?

    No way!

  • HansonBro

    I didn’t think it was possible, but every day I hate the “media” more and more.

  • Belinda Henry

    I respect Mr. Heslins opinion. I just think its a bad idea to give even more control to an already out of control government.

  • dareisay

    Why can’t lefties tell the truth? Is it a brain disorder?

    • Harlan Hikaru Fox

      Because all that’s important is winning. When they win the power to shove their agenda down everyone else’s throat, THEY TAKE ADVANTAGE OF IT. AND THEY RUB IT IN EVERYONE’S FACES AND LET YOU KNOW, “This is how things are going to be from now on!”, and mercilessly swarm and attack ANYBODY who even THINKS ABOUT disagreeing.

      And that’s why they win.

  • $4752944

    Standing on the body of your dead child in order to promote political policies and ideologies, is despicable.
    Especially when those policies limit or even eliminate the freedom and liberty of others.

  • Kevin Groenhagen

    Eric Boehlert has a long history of lying. Consider this from 2007:

    The media’s comical
    obsession earlier this month with the tone and frequency of Sen. Hillary
    Clinton’s laugh didn’t just represent another head-smacking moment
    in the annals of awful campaign journalism. It also served as a preview of what’s
    likely to come in 2008.

    “Anybody who thinks that if [Hillary] Clinton wins the Democratic nomination that the Cackle narrative won’t be revived has not been paying attention in recent years. That’s why it’s so important to take a moment to understand the press dynamics that allow a story like The Cackle to flourish, and why pointless stories like that—and John Edwards‘ Haircut or Al Gore’s Sighs during a 2000 presidential debate—only affect Democrats.

    “You simply cannot find examples in recent years of Republican presidential candidates’ physical tics or trivial personal foibles that the press has pounced on and announced to be wildly important and deeply revealing. That’s just not a distraction Republican candidates have to deal with. The media phenomenon only applies to Democrats and the phenomenon only exists because journalists manufacture it.”
    http://www.mediamatters.org/columns/200710100002

    Of course, you only have to do an Internet search for the words “Bush smirk” to know that Boehlert’s contention is false. For example, Slate.com’s Timothy Noah
    addressed the “Bush smirk” in December 1999. “The smirk is causing much
    justifiable worry in Republican circles,” Noah wrote. “‘I hear some saying that
    his friendly outgoing personality on TV is mistaken for a smirk and smugness,’ a ‘senior Republican official’ was quoted as saying in the Dec. 8 Boston Globe.” The same piece even quoted The New Yorker’s Joe Klein characterizing Bush’s smirk as “the tic.” Yet Boehlert claimed there are no “examples in recent years of Republican
    presidential candidates’ physical tics or trivial personal foibles that the press has pounced on and announced to be wildly important and deeply revealing.”

  • ChicagoJohn

    I’ve pointed out to a few people who posted this that there was no “heckling,” and that it was a lie. Guess how many people admitted that they were duped?

  • http://twitter.com/RSPW_DEP David Powell

    Why is so much of the media becoming a “Baghdad Bob” style information ministry? Well, probably because they figure it will work. Totally disgusting.

  • kevin Golike

    i didnt take it that way,if you actually listen to the speech the father wasnt blaming the gun,and doesnt want stricter gun control he wants stricter people control on who can get guns.these people where backing him up.

  • Scott H

    Mr Heslin is wrong when he says that “All these massacres occurred with assault style rifles”.
    Virginia Tech, the worst massacre of all, occurred with handguns and multiple small quantity clips. Takes approx 5 seconds for a clip to be changed.

    • Hannibal_32

      The columbine killers did not have assault weapons because they were banned. So you see, the ban worked. Oh wait. You mean common pistols worked just as well? Weird.

      Oh, just saw this too. So strange:

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bath_School_disaster

      No guns used. Worst mass killing in our history. Liberals care more about disarming the good guys though, so just be quiet everyone.

  • kevin Golike

    iam suspicious any time a crime scene is on hold for 2 days and only law enforcement allowed in.whats up with that?

    • RogerfromOhio

      What reason would anyone not with law enforcement need to wander around a crime scene? Do you think photos or videos of the blood streaked rooms should be plastered all over the news?
      What other crime scene do recall the media having access to?

  • procomm

    people are sick and tired. gun activists use these killings to promote their unconstitutional agenda and that’s ok. but as soon as someone speaks back, everyone’s up in arms ??? screw you ! keep violating our rights and you’ll keep hearing from us!!!

  • http://twitter.com/joeschavez Joe Chavez

    The ONLY argument one can make for wanting to own and assault rifle is to fend off a tyrannical government. When you go there, though, you just sound like a crazy and scared conspiracy theorist.

    • Rob

      With all the illegal activities engaged in by government that they actually admit to, never mind the ones they don’t, it’s not conspiracy theories. It’s prudence. With a tactical rifle, I can effectively defend from ANY threat, no so with lesser weapons. Besides, it’s not about need, it’s about rights. I have one because they can’t tell me I can’t.

    • Pablo

      Because tyranny can’t happen here? Tell it to the Indians and Japanese-Americans.

    • Ruth Thomas

      Joe Chavez – “The ONLY argument”? Really? Believing that your opinion is fact because you say so makes you sound a tad crazy yourself. Perhaps that is the only argument YOU can make, but what makes you think you speak for the entire country? By the way, perhaps you can define what constitutes an “assault rifle”?

    • Ruth Thomas

      Joe Chavez – “The ONLY argument”? Really? Believing that your opinion is fact because you say so makes you sound a tad crazy yourself. Perhaps that is the only argument YOU can make, but what makes you think you speak for the entire country? By the way, perhaps you can define what constitutes an “assault rifle”?

  • http://www.facebook.com/charles.hopkins.5688 Charles Hopkins

    he asked a question… he got an answer.

  • TJ

    Always record everything, the media is the enemy for the next 4 years if not 60 years.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/44F4AB4VSCTOCHBMBG4ZWWD5OU Laurel

    “A lie travels half way around the world before the truth ever gets it’s boots on.” ~Mark Twain

  • redrick

    the mainstream media is always despicable thats why they should be beaten to death with thier cameras and microphones

  • George Washington Mclintock

    All he’s doing is making it easier for other peoples’ sons to die.

  • http://www.facebook.com/steven.hixson.3 Steven Hixson

    I’m from Zanesville, Ohio. If you remember, recently we had a guy, Terry Thompson, who kept a zoo of wild animals. He let all of the animals go free before shooting himself. This is from a CBS news report:
    “As homeowners nervously hid indoors, officers armed with high-powered rifles and shoot-to-kill orders fanned out through fields and woods to hunt down 56 animals that had been turned loose from the Muskingum County Animal Farm by owner Terry Thompson before he shot himself to death Tuesday.
    “As the hunt dragged on outside of Zanesville, population 25,000, schools closed in the mostly rural area of farms and widely spaced homes 55 miles east of Columbus. Parents were warned to keep children and pets indoors. And flashing signs along highways told motorists, “Caution exotic animals” and “Stay in vehicle.”

    It doesn’t take much for the national media to blow things out of proportion. No one was afraid of being mauled to death by a tiger or a lion. My girlfriend and her family went to (the Zanesville) Olive Garden that night. This occurred when I was in high school, and I believe the only school that closed was West Muskingum Schools, which has an elementary school within a few miles of the farm’s location. I still had to go to school.
    Hardly anyone in Zanesville even laid eyes on a wild animal. Just an example of the power the media has to distort things and make it “truth”.

  • Richard J Sunkle

    Despicable and entirely predictable from the new Committee on Public information.

  • Hannibal_32

    Getting off-track here arguing about whether or not a scary looking AR was used or not. The columbine killers were pretty efficient with just handguns. The largest mass killing in our country was done without ANY guns. Unless they find a way to outlaw crazies and criminals from being crazy and criminal, this will never be a solvable issue.

    This sums up the Obama/media approach though:

    “Arguments must therefore be crude, clear and forcible, and appeal to emotions and instincts, not the intellect.”

    I’ll leave it to you to find out who said that..

    • http://www.facebook.com/corey.dennison Corey Dennison

      Spot on. And the Va Tech shooter killed and wounded many more than Lanza did, with just a .22 Cal Pistol and a 9mm Pistol. Neither of which show up on Di-Fi’s list.

  • http://twitter.com/leftymcleftrson Ash-Housewares

    Yeah, he asked WHY anyone would NEED one of those weapons. He didn’t ask HOW are you able to have one. As to the WHY for the NEED, most gun nuts would say “revolution against tyranny” or some other such garbage, followed by an anachronistic quote from the powdered wig set. Child massacres are the more likely result, but don’t let that stop a good Jeffersonian daydream of tricorn hats and AR-15s. Step your game up, Malkin.

    • Pablo

      Right, because only millions have been slaughtered after being disarmed. The occasional nut is way worse than the extermination of huge swaths of populations, including children, amirite?

      http://jpfo.org/filegen-a-m/deathgc.htm#chart

      “Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.”

    • mike_in_kosovo

      Actually, child massacres are the PROVEN result of magical thinking like ‘gun free zones’. Pat yourself on the back.

    • http://www.facebook.com/corey.dennison Corey Dennison

      Really? Well allow me to retort, Dr Hawking: Why do you NEED Freedom of Speech? Why do you NEED Freedom of Assembly? Why do you NEED ANY of your rights? Why does anyone need to provide YOU or anyone else a justification for the enjoying their Consitutionally-guaranteed right to keep and bear arms?

  • http://twitter.com/lazypadawan lazypadawan

    Typical of the left, using a victim as a human shield while it takes away our liberties. The loon who killed those kids didn’t use an “assault rifle.” It was a ridiculous dog and pony show, like everything in the media and in politics these days.

  • KarenJ

    You know what’s “utterly despicable”? You’re ignoring the REST of the video. The testimony of Mr. Neil Heslin from ~6:00 thereafter is heartwrenching, and you are focusing on alleged editing of the video. Did you hear NOTHING of what this man was saying? Including AFTER the interruption?

    I could link to a dozen instances where Fox News has broadcast SEVERELY edited videos to transmit a message 180 degrees different from the context of the original video. And then the subsequent discussion never mentioned editing…

    • Hannibal_32

      Heart-wrenching? Yes. But that is precisely the opposite of what needs to be argued. People who argue with emotions typically fall into 4 categories: Females, kids, liberals, and morons. Sorry for the redundancy on the last two..

    • NCRelite

      FOX NEWS YOU SAY! ZOMG don’t wet the bed or anything!

    • Pablo

      RTFA, genius. See this part?

      Let’s be clear: this wasn’t about having compassion for a man who
      tragically lost his son; this was strictly about pushing a political
      agenda. Out of more than 17 minutes of footage, the kneejerk media
      focused exclusively on the non-existent “heckling.” Not on Heslin’s plea
      for a change in gun control policy. Not on his sorrow over never being
      able to spend another moment with his beloved son and “best friend.”
      To
      the media, this was nothing more than a chance to exploit one man’s raw
      emotions in order to gin up outrage.

    • Matt

      Errrm, the point is, he WASN’T heckled. He may have plenty to say on the subject but just because he’s grieving doesn’t mean he’s right. We’re back to shades of Cindy Sheehan – that a parent who lost a child has absolute moral authority to opine about anything when it comes to Left wing causes (the Right never seems to have any of this moral authority). I’m sorry he lost his child, its tragic and nobody says otherwise. I’m even sorrier his way to grieve is to allow himself to be used as a tool by the Left, to push their unconstitutional agenda, which will solve nothing.

    • http://twitter.com/jimni27 Jimni27

      Go ahead Karen. Twelve you say? I’ll be waiting. *taps fingers*

    • Silenttype78

      Karen….you got those clips ready yet?
      I mean, it has been over an hour. Surely you’ve had time to find them.
      Unless you are just repeating media matters-think progress-talking points memo bull shit….
      Which, I am like 99.9% certain that you are.

    • http://www.facebook.com/corey.dennison Corey Dennison

      I could link to a dozen instances where Fox News has broadcast SEVERELY edited videos to transmit a message 180 degrees different from the context of the original video.
      .
      Then get to it, sparky.

  • jonathanzacharias

    Dear Twitchy, Congressman Jim Himes does not believe this was a hoax: https://twitter.com/jahimes/status/296369630220533760

  • Lisa Mann LaDuke

    Funny how they all used the same word “heckled” guess they got their marching orders from the obama propoganda leader

  • jb_fastpitch

    These kids were slaughtered by a lunatic because they were in a gun free shooting gallery with no security.

  • http://twitter.com/ggranello Vito Andolini

    I have sympathy for this man but bringing a picture of himself and his dead son and showing it to strangers in a semi-public venue to evoke sympathy is pathetic.

  • Rob

    The DHS ordering 1.6 BILLION bullets that aren’t allowed to the military, 7,000 full auto M4s as “personal defense weapons”, a president with an illegal targeted killing program, indefinite detention, illegal wiretapping, and now attempting to ban every gun with a modicum of effectiveness, and you have to ask WHY? You’re a SPECIAL kind of stupid, aren’t you?

  • NCRelite

    Anything that the left says should be considered a lie unless proven otherwise

  • Ivan

    The pro gun side pretty much curbstomped the anti gun side yesterday using fact and logic. They also debunked the myth about gun owners being rich white old men by getting black gun owners, chinese gun owners, female gun owners and disabled gun owners all talking for the 2A. So what do the lefties do? They make up false stories and make up false videos. Typical leftie scum. I should know. As a Chinese, I’ve already weathered these scumbags when freeing tibet was the fad of the month

  • Mac Smith

    adam lanza was killed and in the morgue the day before the shooting, get your facts from your coronor, but then he doesent know the difference between a hand gun and a rifle, or an assault rifle, which are strictly outlawed for many years now in this country, most people own semi automatic rifles these days the last i knew.

  • Michael John Naretto

    Don’t heckle grieving parents. That is Westboro Baptist Church territory.
    However, what I came away with this is parents using their dead children to further an agenda. To me that is sick.

  • Mac Smith

    anyone who uses the word, assault rifle, doesn’t know what they are saying in the first place. i challenge you to tell us what assault rifle means to you.

  • JSebastian

    If the man posed a question why the hell is the “public official” telling people not to answer? He addressed his comment to the audience!

  • GarandFan

    Odd. The guy asks someone to respond to his question….and then a public official effectively tells everyone to “shut up”. Nice.

    • Flip

      It’s not an open forum. The rules are that the peanut gallery is there to listen and not make any noise. That’s why the first time he asked the question, nobody said a word. When he pushed the question, some people did speak up, and the audience was reminded to be silent.

      • GarandFan

        Oh! So it was a dog-and-pony show! Got it!

  • http://www.facebook.com/rick.vasquez.7393 Rick Vasquez

    Latest report did confirm that two handguns and an AR 15 was recovered in the school and the rifle was used in most if not all of the shootings. This also corresponds with the injuries described as well.

  • $24410100

    Better ask our government why they thought that 26 people were expendable for their purpose of “gun control”.

  • http://www.davidksutton.com/ David K. Sutton

    Nobody can ever properly explain how this is a “political agenda,” as you put it. What agenda? Do people just wake up one day and decide, hmm, I think I’ll try to ban some guns today (like as if it’s an agenda that exists in a vacuum)? As if it’s not a response to something? As if it’s not trying to fix a problem? You can argue whether or not it will fix the problem, but calling it a “political agenda” is simply a cop out. It’s an easy way for you to dismiss people who are simply trying to fix a problem. Again, you can disagree with their method, but stop dismissing it as a “political agenda”. All that does is devalue genuine attempts to fix problems.

    I will also add, it doesn’t matter if you define it as heckling or not. What matters is the shouting of “second amendment” as a reply to what should be considered a rhetorical question, regardless of whether Mr. Heslin appeared to wait for a response.

    • http://twitter.com/jimni27 Jimni27

      When you are “trying to fix the problem” and totally ignoring the other common denominator in the shootings ( MENTAL ILLNESS). It most certainly does become a political agenda. Mental Illness does not fit the left’s narrative, so let’s just not talk about it AT ALL.
      When Mr. Heslin asked the question the first time, the audience probably DID think it was a rhetorical question, and they respectfully stayed silent. When he mentions it again, he removed that doubt. So yes, it does matter. There was no heckling. Period.

      • http://www.davidksutton.com/ David K. Sutton

        Who’s ignoring the other problem? That’s your narrative. All options are on the table.

        • http://twitter.com/jimni27 Jimni27

          Point me to say…two stories where the left is speaking at any length about mental illness. I’ll wait.

          • http://www.davidksutton.com/ David K. Sutton

            If you cared to do any consciousness raising you wouldn’t need me to do your google searches for you. Also, I didn’t say mental illness was the number one priority, I just said all options are on the table. But in fact, mental illness is probably the wrong thing to be the number one focus when you consider that of the 30,000 deaths by gun each year, most are committed by people who would not be considered mentally ill. At least not in the sense we are talking about when people say mental illness should be the top priority to address this problem. We might be talking about criminal activity. We might be talking about behavioral issues. But how exactly do we define mental illness? And do we start a registry of the mentally ill which prohibits them from buying a firearm? Would the NRA be for that? I’m not for that, but it’s not because they wouldn’t be allowed to buy a firearm.

          • http://twitter.com/jimni27 Jimni27

            The old ” I’m not gonna google it for you trick” huh? lol. It’s okay because I HAVE googled, David. And no one on the left is seriously talking about mental health. We are talking about Newton here, not all the gun deaths in the U.S. But if we want to talk about the rest- your answer is STILL not a gun ban. You only have to look to Chicago to see that gun bans do not work. BTW, full disclosure. I do not own a gun. I would probably never personally own a gun . But I would never want to take that right away from someone who lived in a high crime neighborhood, or a woman who lives alone, or anyone else that fears for their personal safety.
            Educating the public on gun safety? Creating laws that penalize those that don’t lock up their guns tight ( especially with a mentally ill family member in the house) ? I’m all for it.

          • http://www.davidksutton.com/ David K. Sutton

            It’s not a trick as I don’t need to support an argument I wasn’t making in the first place.

            And nobody is trying to take away the right to own a gun. That is such alarmist talk. Nobody shouting “second amendment” seems to understand that the second amendment is not absolute. No rights are absolute. The Supreme Court has ruled the second amendment is not absolute in a very pro-NRA friendly ruling, DC v. Heller. We can have restrictions. You can argue that those restrictions won’t make a difference. But stop saying that people arguing for restrictions are trying to take away the right to own a gun. That is simply untrue.

          • http://twitter.com/jimni27 Jimni27

            I used the term gun ban as a generalization, sorry. I don’t think the government is going to take everyone’s guns away. I meant stricter gun laws ( not all off them) don’t tend to work. Again, Chicago being a prime example of this. You have to get to the root of the problem IMHO. Sandy Hook and just about every other mass shooting was a person who fell through the mental health cracks. Chicago- inner city violence, poverty, education. None of those people are adhering to gun laws- they don’t care and they never will.
            Did you know that most people cannot be diagnosed with a mental illness like schizophrenia until they are an adult- right around the age that all these killers were? And by that time they are protected under the law and cannot be forced to take medication or be admitted involuntarily unless they pose a direct threat to themselves or others? And that a good portion of these mentally ill people have no insight into their illness ( they do not know/ think they are sick)?

      • http://www.davidksutton.com/ David K. Sutton

        Watching the video again, I’m even more ticked off. This guy is giving heartfelt testimony, and regardless of whether the people who said “second amendment” were heckling or not is beside the point. It was out of line given the context of the testimony and it was also irrelevant. Because even if the second amendment specifically guaranteed the right to own an assault weapon – it does not – it still would not have been a valid answer to his question.

        • http://www.facebook.com/corey.dennison Corey Dennison

          No, the guy is grandstanding, using his child as a political shield.

      • http://www.davidksutton.com/ David K. Sutton

        Watching the video again, I’m even more ticked off. This guy is giving heartfelt testimony, and regardless of whether the people who said “second amendment” were heckling or not is beside the point. It was out of line given the context of the testimony and it was also irrelevant. Because even if the second amendment specifically guaranteed the right to own an assault weapon – it does not – it still would not have been a valid answer to his question.

  • David

    I wouldn’t call this heckling by any stretch of the imagination. Heckling is when Obama continually spikes the football, says outrageous things about his political opponents, intimidates people to silence, and uses his office to denigrate decent, honest, patriotic, taxpaying citizens.

  • TTTCOTTH

    MSM are puss, pure and simple

  • http://www.facebook.com/martin.rettig.14 Martin Rettig

    Until leftist anti-gun clowns admit that there was no assault weapon used in Sandy Hook, it is all propaganda.

  • schmuck281

    The lie will spread around the world regardless of what actually happened. I still hear stories of the awful killings and rapes at the New Orleans Superdome during Katrina when nothing of the kind ever actually occurred.

    The perception is all that matters.

  • TJ

    There was no conspiracy on the Tuscon shooting. Even if the first reports said it was an army vet. They go the wrong guy in jail and the army vet got off.

    There was no conspiracy on the Aurora shooting. Even if the first reports said it was a Tea party member named Jim Holmes. It must be a tea party member and they got the wrong guy in jail and the tea party Jim got off.

    So by the the sandy hock conspiracy on believing the first reports and dismiss the corrections they got the wrong guy too it was Ryan all the time. Why dismiss the corrections on the name and not the correction on they type of gun.

  • Well Done

    What? The leftist idiots and their lapdogs in the media lied? Wow. This must be Tuesday.

  • http://www.hawksmountain.com patcii

    He began speaking again before anyone said a word. So you are wrong. Period.

  • Slayer88

    A Nation of Sheep Will Be Led By a Government of Wolves….

  • Peyton

    I don’t want to see anyone’s child in a casket. I also don’t want to see their child pulled from their arms and thrown into an oven.

  • Peyton

    And if no one had answered, the headline would have read that no one at meeting defended the right to own weapons.

  • NCRelite

    The truth doesn’t matter anymore, the Left puts out a false narrative and the low information voters digest it.

  • tessaprn

    I feel sorrow for any parent who loses a child. I would show them respect and attempt to do no more harm by my words or actions. But this topic is one that is going to be hot and highly debated. It is about the Constitutional rights of every US citizen and falls onto a whole different stage than being nice and respectable to a parent who lost a child regardless of circumstance.

    Now anyone who reads or hears anything in today’s news that is reported by any source and believes completely, without knowing for certain if such a thing is true, are a threat to everyone of us. News outlets are more of a threat to the people than any type of weapon be it a fork, hammer, knife, or gun. Again the media today is more of a threat than anything else in the world to the people.

  • Junie3

    I know Obama is going to be outraged about this “news” cable show edit. I know he is, I just know it…………..

  • Kyle Bradelle

    None of those kids was killed by an “assault style” weapon. None of those kids was killed by a Bushmaster. I feel compassion for these people who have lost children in one of the most horrible way imaginable. But how is it these parents are unaware their children were murdered with handguns–not shotguns, not rifles, and certainly not “assault weapons”?

  • http://twitter.com/elviejo99 Henry Moran

    I feel the pain these father is going through as I have lost 3 children, 1 to illness, 1 to an car accident and 1 due to heat failure. I cannot understand what person whats to destroy OUR Constitution and deny our 2nd Amendment Rights of millions of honest law abiding gun owners. It would be better if he would fight to armed qualified security officers like obama’s children have and make it easier to hospitalize mental ill individuals and server jail time for people committing crimes with firearms.

  • Kleverabevera

    That was quite a nice trap they created. Ask a question and if you respond you are insensitive. Brilliant. Why on earth can’t conservatives be this devious.

  • oxpoqxo

    Calling the misinformed sheep makes light of a very serious problem in our culture. There ought to be a standard to verify but who can? That MSNBC is now routinely lying is very troubling. But some people can be misinformed easily and they are allowed to vote which is why we have a President who wants to redefine the constitution. At least the would-be gatekeepers can’t get away with their propaganda all the time but does that matter? All they have to do is keep fooling the same crowd (who doesn’t care enough to check otherwise) again and again. There ought to be a standard.

  • American.Irish12

    Right-wingers have no claim to the moral high-ground on this one, despite their best efforts. You can scream “LEFT-WING CONSPIRACY” all you want but shouting at the guy while he’s in the midst of delivering a tearful statement is terrible behavior and anyone who thinks otherwise is either lying to themselves or has no humanity.

    • Pablo

      There was no shouting, and he stopped to get an answer to the question he had directed to the room. He was not interrupted.

    • LibertyDwells

      Another who either didn’t watch the full video or is lying. I’m not sure which is more disgusting, the lies or the ignorance.

    • Arkuy The Great

      He asked a question, paused and looked at the crowd. He was trolling for an answer and got one.

  • $42287495

    This is what happens when the government subsidizes the media. ie $5 billion to GE/MSNBC

  • BucTroop

    Why do we need high-cap magazines? I read a story about a woman in GA who shot an intruder with a revolver 6 times, hitting him 5 times in the face and once in the body. The intruder was able to leave the house under his own power. 6 shots. 5 in the face. It’s a shame she didn’t have a 10 or 15 cap semi-auto handgun. She was STILL in danger after 6 hits. THAT’S WHY!!!

    • Ruth Thomas

      Thank God the lunatic did not have an accomplice. Even though we do not have an obligation to justify why we have a “need” for our God-given rights, this is a perfect example of the need for high capacity magazines – a panicked woman who obviously does not have the time to get to the shooting range on a regular basis. My goodness; hit 5 times with a .38 and still dangerous…time to switch to hollow-points, Mom! This woman has my respect.

  • Snoop8765

    Typical of the leftist Obungler media

  • mat catastrophe

    Derp. That’s not an edit that changes any substantial part of what happened. They cut to the relevant part of the event, which includes the full amount of time between the question and the response from the audience.

    You people are delusional, whiny, butthurt right-wingers.

    • LibertyDwells

      So you missed that big cut in the middle between Heslin’s initial statement and the replies? There’s 30 seconds or more cut out. You seriously missed it? or you’re just lying? If the former, try again. If the latter, just give up.

    • http://www.facebook.com/corey.dennison Corey Dennison

      …said the delusional, whiny, butt-hurt left-winger.

  • ripcity

    I don’t get it? There is obvious heckling at 15:34…

    • Pablo

      No, there isn’t. There are answers to the question Mr. Heslin repeatedly asked.

      • http://www.facebook.com/corey.dennison Corey Dennison

        Exactly! If it were only a rhetorical question, it wouldn’t be asked repeatedly, and not aimed at the entire audience, expecting an answer.

  • djc84

    More physical accountability is needed. If my son was just killed and some scumbag wants to scream about the 2nd Amendment Id get up and bust is f-in head open!

    • vfrtower

      Yeah, right.

    • http://www.facebook.com/corey.dennison Corey Dennison

      Look out! We got an internet tough guy on our hands!
      .
      Ban assault-keyboards!

  • cargosquid

    Huffington Posts blogs have this too. 2nd Amendmen supporters are pointing out how the anti-rightists are lying.

    • Arkuy The Great

      I found it quite rich the Huffers lambasting viewers of “Faux News”. I wonder how many of them realize their own fan mag was derided as the “SideBoob Gazette” by Jon Stewart.

  • djc84

    Cons are so incredibly stupid. They act as if the 2nd Amendment is the only right that should be unlimited. Im sure youre the same cons were the ones who wanted Occupy or any other protesters you didnt agree with removed from where they were because you were FOR limiting their 1st Amendment rights. You’re also very lucky you have 5 scumbag con SCOTUS Justices who decided that the first 13 words in the 2nd Amendment had no meaning. That whole “well regulated militia” and “security of a free State” part is always ignored by meathead gun nuts who think they have an individual right to whatever gun they want for whatever purpose they choose and there should be no limits. Your outvoted. You lose! I am SO for secession so all the cons, gun nuts, wing nuts and other uneducated lunatics could move to Texas and rot there before being invaded by Mexico.

    • LibertyDwells

      No we are not and no we do not. OTOH, people who make deliberately insulting generalizations to stir trouble usually are pretty dense. And no, we didn’t want the Occupy loons carted off. We were having too much fun laughing at their ignorant misunderstanding of what was going on. And appreciating the humiliation their violence and destruction heaped on the left. Meanwhile, how is your lack of understanding of the wording of the 2nd Amendment anyone else’s problem? You clearly haven’t a clue what you are talking about and you call anyone else uneducated? You better hope there is no secession lest you starve to death in your own puddle of filth.

    • http://www.facebook.com/corey.dennison Corey Dennison

      Wow…that’s an awesome strawman argument you’ve presented to the rest of us, djc84.

  • http://www.greendragonweb.com/ Bryan Johns

    I watched the entire video. The poor fellow actually answered his own question earlier in his statement when he said that banning assault weapons would not have any impact on criminals using them to commit crimes. Then he went straight into calling for them being banned.

  • Harlan Hikaru Fox

    The Left will do anything and everything to win.

    When will the Right have the balls to Out-Alinsky the (spiritual) Sons of Alinsky?

  • mhojai

    these sanctimonious hypocrites claiming the moral high ground is disgusting beyond measure…I can’t imagine how they can live with themselves…

  • ElizCM

    My favorite addition to this whole debate is the fact that Piers Morgan’s header photo is a picture with Barak and Michelle… “unbiased journalism” at its best!

  • http://atlantarofters.blogspot.com/ The Sanity Inspector

    Where were their layers of fact-checkers?

  • tpom

    Liberal people are low information people. They thrive on emotion and abandon the humanity of thought and reason. Its tough to hang around these types. The best thing they are capable of is entertainment. Liberals blurt out unimaginable falsehoods that are amazingly creative. They actually put me in amazement at how they can turn a phrase or an observable event from reality into a comprehensive fantasy. Its actually something to behold.

  • George Murrey

    I doubt there was a sign at the door as people entered in saying: “This room has zero tolerance for hecklers. Those that do so, will be removed.” Mr. Heslin suffered enough without all those nitwits acting like they really know anything about guns.

  • TexasEllen

    Which action gained more support from undecided citizens?

  • BobbyBobby

    Democrats wasted nary a nanosecond in taking advantage of the children’s deaths.
    In fact, Democrats long for such incidents to impose socialism on America.

  • ben swan

    It’s called a rhetorical question- you know, the shit you learn about in high school for chrissakes. The guy’s testifying at a hearing, not debating with people in the crowd that sound like they only want to hear their own single minded opinion reiterated. It sounds like the hecklers were jumping at the chance to preach about the second amendment- like it made their day. And that’s what’s disturbing.

    • Arkuy The Great

      He asked a question, paused and looked at the assembled crowd. He was seeking an answer to his question and got one. Spare the outrage.

      • ben swan

        Once again, he’s testifying. Listen to the tone of his voice, he’s speaking neither conversationally nor inquisitively. Rather, he’s making the point that after his son was killed, he has a difficult time accepting the reasons why people have access to assault rifles. By looking beyond the context and saying that he’s “seeking an answer to his question,” you’re really underscoring your own desire to promote an ideological agenda in a sensitive atmosphere, a desire that’s perpetuated by the um, Westboro Baptist Church.

        • Arkuy The Great

          And, once again, he is trolling for an answer judging from his pause and repetition of the question. He got one, the moderator called order and he kept speaking unmolested. Again, spare us the outrage as there was no “heckling”, shouting down or other attempts to silence Mr. Heslin.

          • ben swan

            The response was completely self-serving and unnecessary in the setting.

          • Arkuy The Great

            But it was not heckling. Which is the point of this entire thread.

          • ben swan

            If you want to split hairs then no, it was not heckling. What I’m trying to point out is he was NOT asking for it. And either way, the conduct of the audience members was despicable. While it’s a given reality that all media outlets tend to use charged rhetoric, that doesn’t excuse this website’s incorrect and biased analysis of the story.

          • Corey Dennison

            Oh, get over your butt-hurt and put on your big-boy pants. He asked a question of the audience and was expecting an answer. Get over it.

          • ben swan

            LOL coming from someone who probably jerks it to die hard. I’m really the one that needs to grow up. Get over yourself.

  • teapartydoc

    I don’t think the jerk gave a crap about his son or else he would have been around. He’s just another liberal POS out to ruin the lives and liberties of ordinary citizens.

  • Zombie Prep Network

    Concerted propaganda effort, or flaming journalistic incompetence?

  • Arkuy The Great

    It seems the anti-gun folks who say they want “dialogue” are annoyed that dialogue goes both directions.

  • Elena0412

    I wonder why Neil Heslin’s ex, her older son, and his own ONLY son’s last name is Lewis?

  • Thea Patriot

    Liberals are a small but very loud part of the democrat party and they are creating their own internal party division by attacking guns. This is an opportunity to convince moderate democrats who own guns that it’s time to vote republican. Most of the social issues that have divided the two parties are now court issues and no longer in the hands of politicians. For moderate gun owning democrats, if you want to keep owning your guns, step forward and vote right.

  • http://twitter.com/DanAlltech Dan

    No AR 15 Was used in the shooting as NBC NEWS SAID so what is up with the assault on black guns ? left wing morons are just messing with people rights for there love of obama. makes me kinda sick that our government is so lame with spineless left minded individuals for socialism and dictatorship.

    • Arkuy The Great

      If we were truly motivated to “do something” because of Newtown we would be angling to get rid of hand guns. It was with the hand guns that the shooter did the most damage. The fixation with “assault rifles” shows an obsession with that particular implement and not much interest in the facts.

  • http://twitter.com/stopprintn loose_cannon

    We have a system of law piled on top of law after law. Move back to the constitution and the basic rule. “The Ten Commandments”, It’s very simple realy. Founders put in place a form of government, each one smarter than any whom serve us now. Best to listen!

  • http://www.facebook.com/al-kidya $1018716

    We just want the truth and not media lies. Where is the security video from the school?

  • http://www.facebook.com/al-kidya $1018716

    Piers Morgan, no, you are sickening. To the point of nauseum.

  • http://www.facebook.com/al-kidya $1018716

    Cars and trucks don’t kill people…it’s the nuts behind the wheels. Should we ban all cars and trucks or just certain cars and trucks?

    • Arkuy The Great

      Yes. Ban “sports cars” as defined by low-profile tires, spoilers, hood scoops, pinstriping, stick shift gearbox, etc. Nobody needs these performance enhancements or eye-candy for daily driving.

      • Corey Dennison

        Ban all assault-cars!!11!!!

  • Christopher Citty

    I’m glad this post is out there. When mainstream, trusted media carry and promote fraud like this, they need to be exposed, and the truth needs to get out.

  • Christopher Citty

    I’m glad this post is out there. When mainstream, trusted media carry and promote fraud like this, they need to be exposed, and the truth needs to get out.

  • Sugarlarry

    Still. They should have shut the shit up. The dude was up there talking about his dead kid. I know it’s tough to show some respect when your paranoia is on the line, but try.

    • SturJen

      The man asked a question and someone answered. Why is that considered paranoia? If you don’t want to hear the answer, don’t ask the question. DUH.

      • Sugarlarry

        Did the shouter have the floor? No. In fact the moderator was prepared to clear the room due to this behavior. Is it generally considered poor form to shout things at people who’s kids are dead and are talking about the experience? Yes.

        DUH.

        • alicepoli1land

          He asked the people there a direct question and they answered.thats not heckling.

        • alicepoli1land

          He asked the people there a direct question and they answered.thats not heckling.

        • http://www.facebook.com/corey.dennison Corey Dennison

          Let’s put this in plain english, so that you may understand:
          He.
          Asked.
          A.
          Question.
          And.
          Expected.
          An.
          Answer.

          • Sugarlarry

            While we’re on the topic of not getting plain English, you don’t really get how a rhetorical question works do you Corey? Allow me:

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhetorical_question

            And the answer that was given was a stupid one. Or rather, an overly simplistic one parroted by the right again and again without any thought. Dude… if you have the right to bare arms, why not nukes?

            “the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed”

            Not assault weapons. Not muskets. Not cannons. “Arms” with a capitol A.

            So… nukes. Why not? And you can’t play games where you say: “oh, but they never could have imagined weapons of that power. They just meant small arms.”

            And that’s the point here. The most advanced small arms technology was a musket. The Twatmaster5000, or whatever it’s called was beyond even ol’ Ben Franklin’s wildest dreams. 20 of those things could have changed the course of the Revolutionary war.

            Never could your Founders have imagined that some drunk idiot with a day’s pay in his pocket, could run out and purchase a weapon like that. If they had known, they would never have been so vague.

      • Sugarlarry

        Did the shouter have the floor? No. In fact the moderator was prepared to clear the room due to this behavior. Is it generally considered poor form to shout things at people who’s kids are dead and are talking about the experience? Yes.

        DUH.

      • Sugarlarry

        It was a rhetorical question. You’re not supposed to answer it, which is clear because the moderator told the dude to shut his damn fool mouth. Answering a rhetorical question is not paranoid, it’s stupid. The paranoia I’m referring to is that of the entire American right, which has pooped it’s diapers thinking the gubernment is coming to take their guns.

        Every time one of these mass shootings takes place? Guns fly off the shelves. That’s insane.

    • SturJen

      The man asked a question and someone answered. Why is that considered paranoia? If you don’t want to hear the answer, don’t ask the question. DUH.

    • Corey Dennison

      He asked a freaking question and looked around at the audience, and EXPECTED AN ANSWER, you drooling idiot! Try and keep up!

  • Sugarlarry

    Still. They should have shut the shit up. The dude was up there talking about his dead kid. I know it’s tough to show some respect when your paranoia is on the line, but try.

  • Underwater

    Didn’t he ask the question why anyone would need such a weapon? They were just answering him.

  • Underwater

    Didn’t he ask the question why anyone would need such a weapon? They were just answering him.

  • Modres

    As long as the media exacerbates the problem with their agenda – as opposed to unbiased reporting – problems like this will continue to exist.

    I’m sick of the media. It’s like it’s state-owned and controlled. It’s ridiculous and has no meaning. The media in the United States has become IRRELEVANT.

  • Modres

    As long as the media exacerbates the problem with their agenda – as opposed to unbiased reporting – problems like this will continue to exist.

    I’m sick of the media. It’s like it’s state-owned and controlled. It’s ridiculous and has no meaning. The media in the United States has become IRRELEVANT.

  • civisisus

    what’s utterly despicable – deplorable – revolting – is the very presence among decent people of those murder-weapon-fondling perverts, and oh close by, the dimwitted reactionaries who defend their deviance, pretending it has any god-damned thing to do with conservatism.

    • kenai

      What is despicable, deplorable and revolting is the presence of ignoramus’ who claim that their ignorance and stupidity is a reason for demanding that decent people give up their constitutionally protected rights. That goes for the especially dimwitted fools who can’t even define what they want to ban.

    • kenai

      What is despicable, deplorable and revolting is the presence of ignoramus’ who claim that their ignorance and stupidity is a reason for demanding that decent people give up their constitutionally protected rights. That goes for the especially dimwitted fools who can’t even define what they want to ban.

    • Matt

      More importantly, it has to do with the Constitution. There’s an entire amendment that’s applicable. So the to extent Conservatives think we should follow the Constitution, as opposed to setting it on fire and making shit up as you go along (ie liberalism) then yeah, I guess it does have something to do with conservatism.

    • Corey Dennison

      civisisus: Settle down, sugar titz.
      .
      By the way, none of my weapons are ‘murder weapons.’ I own liberty-rifles and defense-pistols. So, suck on that, drama queen.

  • civisisus

    what’s utterly despicable – deplorable – revolting – is the very presence among decent people of those murder-weapon-fondling perverts, and oh close by, the dimwitted reactionaries who defend their deviance, pretending it has any god-damned thing to do with conservatism.

  • scatt gordon

    LOL This chit blew up in their faces !! their games should be clear to even the most staunch believer…YOU CAN’T TRUST THE MAIN STREAM MEDIA ! If their agenda isn’t obvious as a heart attack now, then we have no moral compass or integrity left in America

  • scatt gordon

    LOL This chit blew up in their faces !! their games should be clear to even the most staunch believer…YOU CAN’T TRUST THE MAIN STREAM MEDIA ! If their agenda isn’t obvious as a heart attack now, then we have no moral compass or integrity left in America

  • Nitsedy

    And if everyone had stayed quiet then they would have shouted about how a grieving father silenced a room of “gun nuts”.

  • Nitsedy

    And if everyone had stayed quiet then they would have shouted about how a grieving father silenced a room of “gun nuts”.

  • RightThinking1

    Neil Heslin’s appearance was straight-up, calculated, political theater. Not on his part, but on the part of the politicians who orchestrated it. The man, his family, and all of the families have experienced a horror that no parent can rationally deal with, but that does not alter the fact that he is being used to political advantage.

    When politicians make opportunistic use of convenient individuals, it is the individuals who suffer, not the politicians. The media should be lambasting those opportunists rather than those who are responding to the situation which the shameless politicians have created.

  • RightThinking1

    Neil Heslin’s appearance was straight-up, calculated, political theater. Not on his part, but on the part of the politicians who orchestrated it. The man, his family, and all of the families have experienced a horror that no parent can rationally deal with, but that does not alter the fact that he is being used to political advantage.

    When politicians make opportunistic use of convenient individuals, it is the individuals who suffer, not the politicians. The media should be lambasting those opportunists rather than those who are responding to the situation which the shameless politicians have created.

  • bonncaruso

    It is so rare that I agree with conservatives on anything, but in this case, I agree that it was not a heckling. It was in terribly bad taste, but you can tell that the charged feelings of those who are so extreme about the 2nd amendment overtook all other sense of decency in their brain at that moment. Just because Mr. Heslin put out the RHETORICAL question, asking if even one person there can answer WHY any person needs an assault type weapon with high power clips, doesn’t mean that they were supposed to bleat like sheep right then and there. But since the Tea Party has been prepping people for 4 years now to use the “get in their face” method, I am not surprised one bit that this happened. Also, notice that Mr. Heslin did not ask whether it is right or wrong for people to have those weapons, he asked whether they need them. I know, I know, that is nuance, and Conservatives have a heck of a time sorting out nuance, but give it a try for a change. And maybe you should consider his words for a second. I bet if one of your kids had been brutally massacred on that day, maybe one or two of you would have been sitting there, saying EXACTLY the same things that Mr. Heslin said.

    • alicepoli1land

      Sorry but the nature of the question wasnt “rhetorical” . He said ” i ask if anyone in this room can answer my question…” He paused and looked around waiting for an answer.When they didnt answer (bc they were told no talking previously ) he said “no one in this room can answer me.” Only then did anyone answer him.

      • http://www.facebook.com/mikey.doe.96 Mikey Doe

        But you can bet if nobody had answered, THAT would have been on the front pages. It was a loosing proposition, whether they answered or not, the media was ready to put the spin on it.

    • Guest

      Also, you’re trying to be “cute” with sarcasm.This tells me that you’re not up for any sort of honest debate. We conservatives do know what nuance is and how to “sort it out” , contrary to what you “know”, as you put it . ( I must say that if that’s what you “know” , you know nothing.) the question of whether you “need” a weapon like that , to be frank , is not for you or Mr Heslin to decide. Many use guns like this for hunting and for protection. If an intruder enters your home, they are the ones picking the time and place of the confrontation. High capacity magazines allow you to be prepared. As the defensive shooter, it can be difficult to reload. You could be shot and thus find it physically difficult to reload, you could be too frazzled and nervous etc. Also sometimes one or 2 shots may not be sufficient to neutralize an assailant .

    • alicepoli1land

      Also, you’re trying to be “cute” with sarcasm.This tells me that you’re not up for any sort of honest debate. We conservatives do know what nuance is and how to “sort it out” , contrary to what you “know”, as you put it . ( I must say that if that’s what you “know” , you know nothing.) the question of whether you “need” a weapon like that , to be frank , is not for you or Mr Heslin to decide. Many use guns like this for hunting and for protection. If an intruder enters your home, they are the ones picking the time and place of the confrontation. High capacity magazines allow you to be prepared. As the defensive shooter, it can be difficult to reload. You could be shot and thus find it physically difficult to reload, you could be too frazzled and nervous etc. Also sometimes one or 2 shots may not be sufficient to neutralize an assailant . Earlier this month a Georgia mother has to shoot an intruder 5 times (in the face and upper body). That didnt take him out! He ran out to his car and DROVE AWAY. There could also be more than 1 assailant . In the real world, you can’t call a time out when you need more bullets. The main point is, that if the defensive shooter cannot chose, the time, place, or other factors of the confrontation, then yes…they NEED to be prepared.

    • Guest

      Mark, you must not have watched the unedited video, because he asks the question, turns around to the audience and then makes a remark as to how no one has an answer –at that point people do respond.

  • http://www.InsideTheRightMind.com Conservative Warrior

    Great work in uncovering the REAL video and the truth. Sounds like the Trayvon case all over again when his 911 call was edited to make him sound like a racist.

  • Drew Longview

    The Democrats will always win the media war. Even when challenged they can just ignore it and continue on with the nonsense because it is effective and their message reaches the masses that barely read or follow the news. That is their real “base”

  • http://twitter.com/1RandiStarr Randi Starr

    Truth has no role in today’s journalism.

  • the kahoona

    This is the same thing that happened with 9/11 families. They have been given “absolute moral authority” earned by their tragedy. Therefore, no one is allowed to debate any issue with them. Not to be insensitive, but matters of public policy are always debatable.

  • BlueStateRepub

    The likes of Boehlert and Charles Icarus Johnson are nothing more than throne-sniffing Palace Guards for their Lord and Savior Barack Hussein Obama. Telling the truth means NOTHING to these apparatchiks.

  • Mark Bellaire

    Someone needs to remind Mr Heslin that the AR was never used and that the handguns used were likely filled with clips that were 10 rounds or less. And then he argues that the mother shouldnt have had the right to own the weapons. Talk about misinformed! He got one thing right… you’re never going to get the weapons out of the criminals hands and there needs to be stiffer penalties!

  • People Corporation

    Armed citizens are how this country came into existence. How hard is that to comprehend? Lefties can ask as many dumb questions as they like, but the fact is, people need weapons because of the left, not because of deer.

  • MaddMedic
  • JR48

    My heart breaks to listen to this man. It also broke repeatedly while watching the live coverage of the shooting at Sandy Hook. I don’t need a father’s plea to just think about the issue. Feeling people thought at the entire issue..IN REAL TIME. What parent’s heart didn’t break on that day? Didn’t meet a single person that day who didn’t have a strong reaction to this. In another state, so very far away, yet that event touched every adult that I ran into. And everyone hugged their kids differently that night…

    But the vast majority of legal gun owners in this country are law abiding, rule following, safe, kind people without any history of violence or murderous intent. Else every day in America, would be Sandy Hook. And it is NOT.

    The people who are the ones committing the violent acts, don’t follow the laws to get the guns that they need to do their homicidal acts. They aren’t normal gun owners who do the right thing, every day of the year, without accident or incident.

    The vast majority of gun assaults and homicides are acted out by criminals. Gang bangers shooting each other and shooting at innocent people. And then there is the occasional crazy person who takes out a group of people, like the children of Sandy Hook. ALL of them violating laws already on the books. Buying, selling and using guns illegally.

    I am NO gun enthusiast by any stretch of the imagination. But having guns to me means that were my family to be attacked in our home, that I would have the courage to shoot another human being so that I didn’t end up with my own private Sandy Hook result.

    No sane person wants the end result of dealing with a criminal or nutjob to be the death of anyone, let alone our precious children. NO ONE. However, this is a matter of if it’s a choice between ‘me’ the parent or ‘him’ the criminal, I’m going to go down trying to protect my kids. Period.

    I am a mother. I inherently know that the only equalizer between me and my potential assailant is to equalize things by superior firepower. I have no aggression, no violent intent, no delusions, no drugs, not even testosterone to fuel my response. I only have a very deep love and concern for my kids. My love for my children will not protect them from evil, but an automatic weapon MIGHT.

    This man was not heckled. He was responded to because he looked around and asked a direct question. When none came, he said the silence was agreement. THEN came a verbal response. Can anyone give me an answer? He got one. He got one because there IS an answer to that question. It’s not just ‘we like guns, hooah!’ like something out of a cartoon. He got an answer because the other side actually can rationalize why they think that they’re also in the right.

    I can absolutely understand his grief and his response. It’s normal. I also know that two people can look at the same facts and come to a different conclusion. He thinks disarming everyone will help keep kids safe. I think that being better armed than my potential assailant is a better option. The second amendment is supposed to guarantee everyone’s right to choose what is the best option for them. What it doesn’t do is give the right of one side to choose for someone else. The right to bear arms, shall not be infringed.

    I wish for healing and peace for this man. I support him in his right to express himself anywhere regarding this topic. If anyone has earned the right to an opinion about this subject, it’s him. I support him in his right to have his belief system, his emotions and his conclusions.

    However, I also have the right to think about this and react in a way that shapes my actions with regards to the second amendment. I see this event as a reminder to support the right of others to bear arms. I see this as a reason to have a public discussion about mental health and to come up with sane ideas as to how to better deal with violence in our culture.

    What I will not do is to use his grief not to think for myself and to decide what is best for MY family. Although he has something powerful to say, I also know that my desire to keep my children safe is just as powerful.

    Here’s the bottom line. No one has issue with this man personally. This isn’t about him. It’s about each parent getting to decide what they think is ‘safe’ for their own children. We can regulate how guns are sold and how they are stored, we can deal with the handful of crazy people who risk the lives of others by their actions. But we cannot decide for others how they choose to protect themselves and loved ones.

    .

    • sjm55

      I’m afraid the other conservatives on this site don’t have your compassion or understanding. They only use nasty language, such as “libtards.” My brother has cerebral palsy and when he was a child, the kids called him “retard,” etc. I have a visceral reaction to the use of that word in any form. Even tho we may differ in our opinions, I really respect you and your friends are lucky to have someone who can have a logical conversation if you differ with each other’s opinions/beliefs.

  • dean0677

    It was a rhetorical question. He was trying to shame the people there. And it worked. Shame on them.

    • http://www.facebook.com/corey.dennison Corey Dennison

      Shame on them? Yeah, not so much.

    • alicepoli1land

      Apparently you don’t know what a rhetorical question is. He asked them twice , paused and waited for an answer. That is not rhetorical.

    • alicepoli1land

      Apparently you don’t know what a rhetorical question is. He asked them twice , paused and waited for an answer. That is not rhetorical.

  • dean0677

    It was a rhetorical question. He was trying to shame the people there. And it worked. Shame on them.

  • stuckinIL4now

    Isn’t it more like actual news on the rarest of the rarest occasion when the scumplicit leftist media DOESN’T lie to us? What a low-quality putrid rotting garbage not fit for a slug way of life they promote!

  • Garwoodv6

    This distorted story claiming “heckling” was featured on the homepage of Comcast’s xfinity website On Tuesday. It was on the top story feature rotation every time I logged on to check my email.

  • mnemonicmike

    Between now and the next election we need a very strong campaign to put the liberal media out of business. Without the liberal media and liberal school teachers, the country can be saved. Boycott their advertisers and tell the advertisers why.

  • jleinf

    I would imagine that if there was 1 or 2 CCW holders present any anyone of these mass murdering events the number of victims would be 75% less. On a similar note I would imagine that the recently executed Syrian nationals would like to say something about being disarmed. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5HQeS-Tpl0&feature=player_embedded

  • Yalitzer

    It’s really amazing. It never fails. Every time a Liberal posts a comment, it’s abundantly more clear how little they know thanks to their Liberal news outlets. This poor man posed a rhetorical question which he used to his advantage to try and skew the other side’s stance. You don’t do that. It’s sneaky and vile, especially when the public is told they can’t comment. I feel for the man, but this was a fools bargain to try and make an argument on the basis that no one can answer.

  • http://TheConservativePush.webs.com/ SoThere

    No heckling there! Libtards are liars anyway so what did everyone expect? Leftist are incapable of telling the truth about anything.

    • http://youtu.be/0iRCvDwF26Q Sam Fisher

      It is not shocking that MSNBC was pushing it. That should have been a dead giveaway it was a lie.

  • http://www.facebook.com/rhetoricat Cat Shuler

    No, not outraged. Saddened. He sounded saddened when he said that he respected their opinion but he wished they would think it through and respect his. It was inappropriate and the comments here on this site are vitriolic. How is it that so many of you have so much hate? That you so completely disregard the opinions of others simply because they differ from yours. I voted for Obama. I am educated and well-informed. I simply value different things than you do or view things differently. My vote doesn’t cancel out your vote. Voting doesn’t work that way. Do you see the irony of complaining about the results of a constitutional right–voting–in the context of arguing about the fear that your 2nd Amendment rights will be infringed upon?

    • Michelle

      What does anything you just wrote have to do with the media twisting the truth and straight out presenting a lie? (which is what this particular post is about).

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ZR4D5E2WTOI4MSKK7AJS6EG3OA Everybodys All American

      People far greater than you or I respectfully who thought so highly of this that they made it the 2nd amendment to the Constitution. Here is what our founding fathers thought about the 2nd amendment.

      Quotes on the Second Amendment
      The Founding Fathers on the Second Amendment

      “I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them.”
      George Mason
      Co-author of the Second Amendment
      during Virginia’s Convention to Ratify the Constitution, 1788

      “A militia, when properly formed, are in fact the people themselves …”
      Richard Henry Lee
      writing in Letters from the Federal Farmer to the Republic, Letter XVIII, May, 1788.

      “The people are not to be disarmed of their weapons. They are left in full posession of them.”
      Zachariah Johnson
      Elliot’s Debates, vol. 3 “The Debates in the Several State Conventions on the Adoption of the Federal Constitution.”

      “… the people are confirmed by the next article in their right to keep and bear their private arms”
      Philadelphia Federal Gazette
      June 18, 1789, Pg. 2, Col. 2
      Article on the Bill of Rights

      “And that the said Constitution be never construed to authorize Congress to infringe the just liberty of the Press, or the rights of Conscience; or to prevent the people of the United States, who are peaceable citizens, from keeping their own arms; …”
      Samuel Adams
      quoted in the Philadelphia Independent Gazetteer, August 20, 1789, “Propositions submitted to the Convention of this State”
      The Founding Fathers on Arms

      “Firearms stand next in importance to the constitution itself. They are the American people’s liberty teeth and keystone under independence … from the hour the Pilgrims landed to the present day, events, occurences and tendencies prove that to ensure peace security and happiness, the rifle and pistol are equally indispensable … the very atmosphere of firearms anywhere restrains evil interference — they deserve a place of honor with all that’s good.”
      George Washington
      First President of the United States

      “The supposed quietude of a good man allures the ruffian; while on the other hand arms, like laws, discourage and keep the invader and plunderer in awe, and preserve order in the world as property. The same balance would be preserved were all the world destitute of arms, for all would be alike; but since some will not, others dare not lay them aside … Horrid mischief would ensue were the law-abiding deprived of the use of them.”
      Thomas Paine

      “To preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of the people always possess arms and be taught alike, especially when young, how to use them.”
      Richard Henry Lee
      American Statesman, 1788

      “The great object is that every man be armed.” and “Everyone who is able may have a gun.”
      Patrick Henry
      American Patriot

      “Are we at last brought to such humiliating and debasing degradation, that we cannot be trusted with arms for our defense? Where is the difference between having our arms in possession and under our direction and having them under the management of Congress? If our defense be the real object of having those arms, in whose hands can they be trusted with more propriety, or equal safety to us, as in our own hands?”
      Patrick Henry
      American Patriot

      “Those who hammer their guns into plowshares will plow for those who do not.”
      Thomas Jefferson
      Third President of the United States

      “The constitutions of most of our States assert that all power is inherent in the people; that … it is their right and duty to be at all times armed; … ”
      Thomas Jefferson
      letter to Justice John Cartwright, June 5, 1824. ME 16:45.

      “The best we can help for concerning the people at large is that they be properly armed.”
      Alexander Hamilton
      The Federalist Papers at 184-8
      The Founding Fathers on Maintaining Freedom

      “The greatest danger to American freedom is a government that ignores the Constitution.”
      Thomas Jefferson
      Third President of the United States

      “There are men in all ages who mean to govern well, but they mean to govern. They promise to be good masters, but they mean to be masters. ”
      Noah Webster
      American Lexicographer

      “The people never give up their liberties but under some delusion.”
      Edmund Burke
      British Statesman, 1784

      “What country can preserve its liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance. Let them take arms.”
      Thomas Jefferson
      to James Madison

      “They that give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.”
      Ben Franklin
      American Statesman
      Later Quotes on Gun Control

      “The ruling class doesn’t care about public safety. Having made it very difficult for States and localities to police themselves, having left ordinary citizens with no choice but to protect themselves as best they can, they now try to take our guns away. In fact they blame us and our guns for crime. This is so wrong that it cannot be an honest mistake.”
      Malcolm Wallop
      former U.S. Sen. (R-WY)

      “An armed man is a citizen. A disarmed man is a subject.”
      Anon.
      Seen on a bumper sticker
      Pro Gun Control

      “Our main agenda is to have all guns banned. We must use whatever means possible. It doesn’t matter if you have to distort the facts or even lie. Our task of creating a socialist America can only succeed when those who would resist us have been totally disarmed.”
      Sara Brady
      Chairman, Handgun Control Inc, to Senator Howard Metzenbaum
      The National Educator, January 1994, Page 3.

      “If you wish the sympathy of the broad masses, you must tell them the crudest and most stupid things.”

      “This year will go down in history. For the first time, a civilized nation has full gun registration. Our streets will be safer, our police more efficient, and the world will follow our lead into the future!”
      Adolph Hitler
      Chancellor, Germany, 1933

      The history over the last 100 years is not very good for countries who disarm their own citizenry.

    • ThenAtlasSpoke

      He asked the audience for a reason. The audience gave a reason. That’s not heckling. That’s a response. In fact it was he who was the one that in asking that question completely disregarded the validity of the others’ opinion, like it didn’t even exist. So don’t get all high and mighty about respecting others’ opinions there, Cat. He acted like nobody else could possibly have any opinion other than the one he holds, just like those of whom you are now complaining about.

    • $8245944

      Check out HuffPo for some real vitriol. Your ‘projection’ is showing.

  • Ray

    This whole civilian disarmament trend is backed by lies and blatant political agenda. To use the massacre (which was spurred on by asinine gun-free zone legislation) to further restrict the right to self-defense is truly immoral, it is, as Mr Pratt put it, unconscionable. The fact that this crap is pulled in the media (whether “left” or “right”) does not surprise me one bit, they are obviously a part of the machine. I really wish people would wake up and see this. The idea that the world is somehow magically all of a sudden moving toward perfection, as if murder were something to be abolished by simply removing the tool, is so far removed from reality that if enough people don’t realize the error in the idea of a forced utopia, civilization could well fall into a second dark age. Disarmament is not a good thing fellow Americans, please understand this. Responsible, freedom-respecting legislation is one thing, but collective punishment is an entirely different beast.

  • Bryan

    I am sorry for this man’s loss. I also believe that the answer to his question is to defend ourselves from mentally unstable people and criminals with guns like Adam Lanza.

  • Scott

    To those who answer that the father “asked a question” and should have expected a response… you do understand what a rhetorical question is, right?

    • http://privatouring.blogspot.com/ David Christian Newton

      Your arrogance, ingnorance, and sophomoric posturing is befitting your limited intellectual and moral reach. He asked the question, and the group attending deferred in responding. He then asked the question again, very much in the form of an adamant request, and it was at that time several people readily responded to a man who had brought not his reasonable grief, but his unreasonable blame to the forum. I cannot respect you or him for using his dead son to forward the statist obvectives being postulated by the totalitarians and elitists.

      You are the kind of person who “feels” things and listens to people like Hillary say meaningful things like “What difference does it make?” and applaud. We are the kind of people who truly lament and greive about these matters and genuinely take active measures to prevent them. One reason so many children were killed at Newtown is because there were no armed adults with souls and consciences who could have intervened against a soulless nutter who had probably been steered onto his path with ADD and hyperactivity drugs.

      Review the entire un-editted tape. Stop blaming us. Look at your own willingness to be irrational and to be misled;.

  • Billy Weeder

    What’s hilarious is the reich wing response team to any story like this. Your crazy members don’t use social media anyway because they are too stupid to know how to use technology. So no matter how much you scream about the “librul media”, only about a million hard core ignorant righties will agree with you. Less than 1/3 of 1% of the populace. Keep screaming. Oh, and what about that god fearing guy in Texas who shot that kid in the head because his GPS gave him the wrong address. One shot in the air, then one in the head. How come we don’t hear you wackos talk about how he was entitled to kill because the NRA whipped him up into a fear frenzy. When will you retards ever learn?

    • Michelle

      Ladies and gentlemen, I present to you a perfect example of an American who is part of the problem, not the solution. Unfortunately, the attitude, remarks, beliefs and behavior such those exhibited by Paul Mancini are part of the reason our kids will keep killing and be killed.

    • Michelle

      Ladies and gentlemen, I present to you a perfect example of an American who is part of the problem, not the solution. Unfortunately, the attitude, remarks, beliefs and behavior such those exhibited by Paul Mancini are part of the reason our kids will keep killing and be killed.

    • $8245944

      You’re a fascist just like Hitler.

  • Grampstang

    This man was NOT heckled by any one. He asked if any one in the room needed one of these weapons or high capacity magazines. The people you call hecklers where in essence answering his question. Wake up and pay attention people. Obama is doing his best to get your guns just like Stalin, Hitler and others in the past, and look what happened to those people. Our forefathers wrote the Bill of Rights into the Constitution for a reason, and this is it.

  • vcbtn

    dozens, hundreds of people are being shot every day, by 7-8 shot pistols or revolvers.
    where is the the outrage there.? there is none because these are mostly illegal, unregistered, and/or stolen guns and the overwhelming majority of the perps and victims are black. so let’s go after the cosmetics of a rifle, that you can’t where in your pants! this is all b.s.! and about the mental issues or laxity of govt enforcement of existing gun laws, background checks, let’s make more work for them than that cannot even do now!

  • vcbtn

    dozens, hundreds of people are being shot every day, by 7-8 shot pistols or revolvers.
    where is the the outrage there.? there is none because these are mostly illegal, unregistered, and/or stolen guns and the overwhelming majority of the perps and victims are black. so let’s go after the cosmetics of a rifle, that you can’t where in your pants! this is all b.s.! and about the mental issues or laxity of govt enforcement of existing gun laws, background checks, let’s make more work for them than that cannot even do now!

  • mojo lito

    That boy at Newtown could have stolen his mothers car, and drove onto the playground. He could have built a bomb, (like the Columbine kids, luckily theirs didn’t go off)

    The worst school killing in the history of the US, Bath, Michigan 1927, 38 elementary school children killed, along with six adults, and another 58 injured, weapon of choice, a bomb. Why didn’t we ban bombs, oh wait, it is already illegal

  • mojo lito

    That boy at Newtown could have stolen his mothers car, and drove onto the playground. He could have built a bomb, (like the Columbine kids, luckily theirs didn’t go off)

    The worst school killing in the history of the US, Bath, Michigan 1927, 38 elementary school children killed, along with six adults, and another 58 injured, weapon of choice, a bomb. Why didn’t we ban bombs, oh wait, it is already illegal

  • Tom Koch

    Where are the hearings dealing with the mental health issues in the United States? Where are the hearings dealing with gang issues? Why weren’t these issues addressed at this hearing? Why didn’t the father plead for better care of the mentally ill?

  • pen44

    Same sh-t/different day for the Regressives…..smh

  • VaninCT

    I was present at that hearing, and gave testimony later in the day…this man was not “heckled”. In fact, if there are any lawyers out there, I’d like to file a defamation of character lawsuit against
    every news agency for falsely accusing me/us for heckling this father
    yesterday at the hearings….I was there, it didn’t happen! the raw feed
    shows it, but some media outlets are reporting that he was heckled….I
    find that to be a personal attack on my character, and
    I demand restitution, not only for me, but for every Pro Second
    Amendment supporter there yesterday that testified…anyone want to take
    a case?? The general public deserves better, we deserve the truth to be
    told, not the lies and half truths that the media puts out…I want
    legislation to hold news agencies accountable for what they report, if it
    isn’t the truth or the full story, they should be heavily fined, or
    maybe not allowed to broadcast for a period of time, when do they have
    to start becoming accountable for what is being reported, and who it
    affects? We the people deserve better! I’m not going to say that one
    news source isn’t guilty either, they all do it, FOX, MSNBC, CNN, all
    the local media outlets as well..they are all GUILTY!

  • VaninCT

    I was present at that hearing, and gave testimony later in the day…this man was not “heckled”. In fact, if there are any lawyers out there, I’d like to file a defamation of character lawsuit against
    every news agency for falsely accusing me/us for heckling this father
    yesterday at the hearings….I was there, it didn’t happen! the raw feed
    shows it, but some media outlets are reporting that he was heckled….I
    find that to be a personal attack on my character, and
    I demand restitution, not only for me, but for every Pro Second
    Amendment supporter there yesterday that testified…anyone want to take
    a case?? The general public deserves better, we deserve the truth to be
    told, not the lies and half truths that the media puts out…I want
    legislation to hold news agencies accountable for what they report, if it
    isn’t the truth or the full story, they should be heavily fined, or
    maybe not allowed to broadcast for a period of time, when do they have
    to start becoming accountable for what is being reported, and who it
    affects? We the people deserve better! I’m not going to say that one
    news source isn’t guilty either, they all do it, FOX, MSNBC, CNN, all
    the local media outlets as well..they are all GUILTY!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Marcy-Cook/1001619613 Marcy Cook

    Heslin asked for comments. When the people commented, the “public official” told them they could not comment. That public official attempted to squash free speech. To Mr. Heslin’s credit, after the official said that, Heslin said he respected their right to their opinion and asked them to consider his. Good fair response. Too bad the msm turned this into something dirty.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Marcy-Cook/1001619613 Marcy Cook

    Heslin asked for comments. When the people commented, the “public official” told them they could not comment. That public official attempted to squash free speech. To Mr. Heslin’s credit, after the official said that, Heslin said he respected their right to their opinion and asked them to consider his. Good fair response. Too bad the msm turned this into something dirty.

  • Bob1701a

    Turned stupid by grief……what a shame.

  • Bob1701a

    Turned stupid by grief……what a shame.

  • http://archive.org/details/antifederalist_0707_librivox The Federal Farmer

    You seem knowledgeable, yet you’re raggin’ me about bullshit. The guy asked if there was any way to discern a difference between “bullet holes” when determining if a person was shot with a handgun round or an “assault weapon” round. I chose 5.56 ball to discuss. What IS your problem??

  • Chrissy the Hyphenated

    I have to wonder if the whole thing was a set-up. If you watch the video, the smack down – “Please no comments while Mr. Heslin is speaking. Or we’ll clear the room. Mr. Heslin please continue.” – sounds inappropriate and contrived. Listen for yourself …. do you see what I mean?

    It really stinks like Heslin and that smack-down lawmaker were in cahoots with the media outlet that cooked up the “heckling” story in the first place, that Heslin asked the question intending to get heckled and that the lawmaker was primed to provide the “shut up or we’ll clear the room” smack down.

    Problem was … those wingnut 2d Amendment supporters were too dang polite to make it really work for them … not that the Left-wing Media Arm of the Socialist-Democrats of America ever lets a small thing like The Truth interfere with their narrative!

  • sameolbs

    What do you expect from state run media?

  • Dithers Longfellow

    After more than 40 years of instensive effort on the part of the progressive liberals in this country to subdue freedom and replace it with dominance by and total dependence upon a totalitarian government, seeing this type of behavior is hardly a surprise.
    There are three ‘legs of the takeover stool’ all of which are in place and functioning most effectively in the US.
    1. Control all public education and insure that the masses are ignorant of history (and nearly everything else) destroying the image of any conservative historical figures looked upon as heroic.
    2. Control all media to insure that the now ignorant populace is easily duped in to believing that socialism is a GOOD THING.
    3. Enslave the masses with government entitlements that denigrate and subdue individual initiative while rewarding governmental dependence.
    This has been tried and proven effective in many instances in other parts of the world across history and has worked admirably in the US where our leaders are little more than clever community organizers.
    Our future, once a subject of great anticipation is no longer bright. I fear we are living in the last days of the United States as a free and independent nation.

  • Roger Smith

    The left wing media lies and distorts?? What a SHOCK-A!!

  • Roger Smith

    The left wing media lies and distorts?? What a SHOCK-A!!

  • franklinstower

    You may want to look up the definition of “heckled”. The man was speaking and made a rhetorical statement to which the “HECKLERS” shouted over the poor man. Jeezus people, just admit it and move on. Why are you protecting the jerks that shouted at the man?

  • franklinstower

    You may want to look up the definition of “heckled”. The man was speaking and made a rhetorical statement to which the “HECKLERS” shouted over the poor man. Jeezus people, just admit it and move on. Why are you protecting the jerks that shouted at the man?

  • Owen Finn

    Still pretty fucking disgusting. The man lost a child.