Whatever would we do without lefty “feminists” like Amanda Marcotte to take on the evil, oppressive conservative patriarchy? This morning, she took Rush Limbaugh to task over a comment he made earlier in the week:

Here’s the remark that has Marcotte seeing red:

You know how to stop abortion? Require that each one occur with a gun.

Misogyny! Misogyny!

It’s hard not to picture what “abortion by gun” would look like: A sort of rape by gun followed by the violent murder of the woman. It’s taking the subtext of gun nuttery—and how nuts feel that guns give them symbolic phallic power—and making it straight up text. That’s not subtly giving permission, but practically an invitation.

As a side note, it’s interesting to me how many wingnuts turn to abortion the second guns are mentioned. Couldn’t make it more clear that gun nuttery is part of a larger constellation of a psycho-sexual obsession with masculine dominance. Must have MORE GUNS while making sure that women are firmly relegated to a second class citizen status, unable to exert basic control over their bodies. Ugh.

Ugh indeed, Amanda. Anyone familiar with Limbaugh is well aware of his hyperbolic style and understands that his point wasn’t that abortions should be performed with guns; he was saying that the Left would actually care about the lives snuffed out by abortions if guns were involved.

The truth is of little importance to the perpetually outraged feminist Left, however, and Stop Rush types unleashed their ire:

https://twitter.com/kellymendenhall/status/292334630324039680

If Rush is a “dangerous freak” for using liberal logic to take on abortion, then what does that make Amanda Marcotte, who thinks a “ritual nick” is an acceptable alternative to female genital mutilation? She certainly doesn’t seem like a worthy advocate for women, does she? Then again, that probably doesn’t matter much; for the Left, intellectual consistency isn’t a priority.

  • TEXANONLY

    well women getting abortions are MURDERING a baby, so its the same damn thing. Women that have abortions should have their name, address, phone number, and all social networking pages made public, so we can all see who the real killers are.

  • rinodino

    Awww Poor little Rush got his feelings hurt and needs big bad Twitchy to fight his battles….

    • Howzah123

      Aww butthurt obvious troll is obviously butthurt

      • TheOriginalDonald

        MUST….NOT….USE….ANAL….REFERENCE!!!!!!!

    • almarquardt

      Just because Twitchy and others defend Rush doesn’t mean he’s asking for it. He says things like that to rile liberals and point out their indefensible “logic” and hypocricy.

      Judging by your comment, Rush and Twitchy have succeeded.

      • $24647834

        in being massive hypocrites? While it was just month when Michelle had her minions engaged in a war against metaphor. Shoe hurts on the drug abusing, thrice-divorced foot, don’t it

        • almarquardt

          We all make mistakes, and Rush has proven his ability to not only admit them to the world, but learn and grow from them. Would you be that brave?

          • $24647834

            Not sure, but I doubt I would abuse OxyContin in the first place, use my housekeeper to score drugs for me, or “admit them to the world” when the National Enquirer published the allegations.

            Some brave guy….telling us what a tabloid investigation found

          • almarquardt

            Ever hear of the term “Walk a mile in someone else’s shoes before making any judgements?” Or “Take the plank out of your eye before removing the speck from another?”

            I’ve known enough addicts that to say, “you shouldn’t have gotten addicted in the first place,” is cruel. No one sets out to become an addict, so a little compassion or an attempt at understanding I don’t think is too much to ask.

            So the question I want you to ask yourself is this: If that addict were someone with the same political views as you, would you judge as harshly?

          • $24647834

            Only if they suggested drug users deserved the death penalty.

            See, Andra, I believe in an end to drug prohibition. Wouldn’t do much for Mr. Compassion, err Limbaugh, but it sure would stop the idiotic drug war that Rush continues to support.

            You want to get your life advice from a tool and addict like Limbaugh, by all means, but don’t play that junkie as a victim

          • almarquardt

            In a roundabout way, you did answer my question. It’s not about whether or not Rush was addicted to a legal narcotic (albeit obtained illegally, which has no bearing on your comment about drug prohibition), but about his politics differing from yours, hence your vitriol.

            Thank you for clarifying that your compassion for others has a political litmus test.

            Note, too, that compassion is not the same as pity, nor is should it be reserved for only supposed “victims” (which Rush is not). Regardless of the circumstances behind his admitting his addiction, he still did, got the help he needed and is a better man for it. Why should he be condemned for it, especially from someone who has never been directly harmed by him?

          • $24647834

            I am directly harmed by his lying propaganda on a daily basis.

          • almarquardt

            How? No one’s forcing you to listen, and he holds no public office.

          • $24647834

            Because he convinces morons that the financial crisis was caused by the CRA, that the energy sector is the most valuable sector of the economy, that “Global warming is a hoax” (which he just said yesterday), and his disgusting attitudes toward women and minorities warp one of the political parties.

            I don’t have to keep listening, Andra, but I need to know what bs you will buy

          • TexSizzle

            Impossible, because he does not use “lying propaganda”. That’s the left’s M.O.

          • $24647834

            No, he’s the junkie saint of truthland, who just can’t manage to have friends or keep wives, whose every move is designed to capitalize on the grift.

            You keep lapping up the lies and see where it gets you.

            Better yet, switch to grift without style and just start listening to Levin. Levin makes no pretense of liking you; he just wants to sell you stuff.

    • ZoriahShepard

      I’m assuming you’re somewhat literate, right?? Where did you read that A. Rush gives a damn about some Feminazi taking his obviously satirical comment literally and B. that he needs Twitchy to defend him? Keep swallowing whatever drivel that the Left throws up at ya, never mind actually forming an opinion based on your own research ya dullard.

      • Joe W.

        You assumed wrong, my friend…Dave is as bright as a diamond in the ass of a dog in the moonlight….

        • ZoriahShepard

          Haha!! My bad. That’s what I get for assuming anything about a troll.

      • TocksNedlog

        Why are you assuming that that person is literate? Based on the available evidence, I’d say that’s a pretty speculative assumption you’re making there.

    • Dan Thorpe

      While I may not agree with everything LImbaugh says it was a joke. The hypocrisy of people on the left know no bounds. At the Obama press confernce, he says that we must do everything possible to protect the children. The hypocrisy is the Democrats are the party that believes in abortion rights at any time. So as long as they are born its OK? I believe abortion is wrong except in the case of rape.

      • CherDash

        So, a baby has to pay with the death penalty for the crimes of one of the people who conceived him/her?

        • Dan Thorpe

          well I certainly don’t think that any women should be forced to keep a baby after being raped. I think abortion is bad except in that case.

    • Jack Deth

      Hey, everybody!

      Dave is selling Weapons Grade Stupid! Right here! Right now!

      Rush does very well defending himself without anyone’s help. He just enjoys twisting the tails of ignorant liberal banshees, like Amanda Marcotte. Whoever the hell she is.

    • wwbdinct

      Rush never gets his feelings hurt. Case closed.

      • $24647834

        Rush’s feeling ARE always hurt. He is the most sensitive, whiny guy in the media today.

        • wwbdinct

          No – that would be Obama.

          • $24647834

            obama is a media figure? Still, wwbdinct, when one’s only form of argument is “uh huh, YOU are” you might consider that you don’t have an argument

          • Brad

            Yes, moron. Obama IS a media figure – at least the Obama you worship. The REAL Obama is an angry, prickly failure who remains in power because of the mindlessness of progtards like yourself who swallow everything the media throws your way without ANY thought whatsoever…

          • $24647834

            Gee, what talk show does he host?

          • http://www.facebook.com/noah.lee3 Noah Lee

            so, it is acceptable for a non-media figure to tell people “get in their faces”?!? liberal logic is: you guys are horrible meanypants, but that guy on our side saying the same things is a non-media figure. that’s okay.

          • http://www.facebook.com/noah.lee3 Noah Lee

            acceptable liberal sayings: “bring a knife to a gunfight”
            “get in their faces”
            “punish our enemies”

    • http://www.facebook.com/corey.dennison Corey Dennison

      What the hell are you talking about? I don’t recall Rush asking anyone to fight his battles. Can libtards EVER debate honestly?

      • TocksNedlog

        I hope that’s rhetorical.

    • TocksNedlog

      This thread is about Amanda Marcotte. Your reading comprehension seems to denote a recent public school education.

  • HailtheRepublic

    Typical obsessed feminist viewing life through her “lady parts” colored glasses. Does everything on that side have to be viewed with such one-sided idiocy? Someone needs to get laid… Nutjob with a gun kills innocent people? Outrage! Killing unborn babies by the thousands? Nah, that’s totally fine. Those enlightened “first class” citizens are above the rest of you “wingnuts”.

  • JINNASH

    These people are too stupid to take seriously.

    • $24647834

      And, yet you’re still here on the internet

      • Darth_Venomous

        …says the dumbass who can’t figure out where to place the comma.

        • $24647834

          Wow, a grammarian on this page and instead if attack the wingnuts, you come after me? Weird choice

          • Darth_Venomous

            Then perhaps maybe – just maybe – you shouldn’t be criticizing others’ intelligence, when you yourself clearly have none of which to speak.

            Eh, princess?

          • $24647834

            No, the people here are way dumber than me. For instance, you’re so stupid, you think I’m a girl when my name is Tim.

            You also have an excess of testosterone and think you’re a bad a$$, when the evidence suggests something else.

          • Darth_Venomous

            No, the people here are way dumber than me.

            No, dumbass, we’re not. That’s your first mistake, chumpette – combining stupidity & arrogance.

            For instance, you’re so stupid, you think I’m a girl when my name is Tim.

            Actually, I’m pretty sure you’re a cowardly little d-bag beta-male. Your snivelling just proves it.

            You also have an excess of testosterone and think you’re a bad a$$

            Beats the heck outta that over-abundance of estrogen you’re hauling around, buttercup.

            when the evidence suggests something else

            You’re welcome to come test that any time you grow a set, princess.

          • $24647834

            You’re offering to fight people from the internet, because you’re so cooollll?

            I’d laugh, but I already was

          • Darth_Venomous

            You’re offering to fight people from the internet, because you’re so cooollll?

            And that’s the exact response I was expecting from a little chickensh!t like you, Tammy. You get challenged and you back your little skanky ass up at warp speed.

            See what I mean about you toting all that estrogen around, princess?

            I’d laugh, but I already was peeing my pants in fear

            There. Finished it for you.

            Back to hiding behind your daddy’s pink taffeta hoop skirt now, boy. Go on, now. (snicker)

          • $24647834

            Did you fap while writing it or after?

            You might ask yourself who you’re trying to convince you’re man, ’cause, sweetie, it ain’t me.

      • JINNASH

        I know you think your clever but your not. Your side has a real problem, they are not self-sufficient. They have to have productive people around them in order to pay for their basic needs. Also, since you do want to see the satire, what makes you think people will trust you to have an honest discussion.
        Decent people don’t twist morality because they fall short. Good people don’t “nuance” in order to justify their behavior. And intelligent people have ideas that work in real life, not in some worthless OWS discussion forum.
        Sorry but your ideas have always been rejected in the long run. Just because your media buddies manage to confuse enough people to vote for BO doesn’t mean they know what he is about. I have met a number of Obama voter who didn’t believe he is an Anti-America hard left socialists….now some of them are starting to wake up. All it took was their taxes and healthcare premiums to rise. HELLO BUYERS REMORSE!!!

  • traffic_robot

    Makes me long for the days of caller abortions.

    • thetreyman

      ha. that tore ’em up too.

      • $24647834

        Tore up the audience too, which is why he stopped doing it. You very angry people whose idea of public policy goals is “whatever makes a lefty angry” don’t really realize how few of you there are?

        • JINNASH

          Comment like that tells me you really don’t listen for yourself. You rely on the low-lifes at buzzfeed, TPM and/or huffington post.

  • V the K

    Leftists have become masters of faux outrage. The more faux, the greater the outrage.

    • $24647834

      Says the guy on the site which creates outrage everyday. Figured out why this is not infuriating, while Erik Loomis was?

  • V the K

    Someone should just tell Amanda Marcotte to take a Midol. Maybe hide it in a piece of cheese.

    • wwbdinct

      You know what? As a woman, Midol doesn’t work. But maybe a nice dose of liberal whoopass might help.

    • TocksNedlog

      That comment is extremely inappropriate — and damn funny, to boot!

    • $24647834

      Oooh, misogyny on actual display! Nice work

      • wwbdinct

        Real misogyny is supporting the murder of future women in a most violent and heinous procedure. Look inward Timmy – you are the misogynist.

        • $24647834

          you might know what the definition is

      • V the K

        Aw, cute, I picked up my own personal troll. Hi personal troll. Aren’t you cute?

      • JINNASH

        As usual, no proof. Disagreeing with someone is not misogyny. Opposing racist policies like affirmative action is not racist and demanding ID for one civil right(gun ownership) then it is good enough for another(voting).

        • $24647834

          No, genius, disagreeing with a woman BECAUSE she is a woman and urging her to take Midol is misogyny.

          You’re particularly dim, eh?

          • JINNASH

            Again no proof that the disagreement(of the larger argument) is due to her gender. It is pure propoganda to claim that people are disagreeing with her because of her gender. It is also a complete lie to say that conservatives are afraid of strong women for two major reasons.
            1) Second wave Feminists are NOT strong women. They are simply the ladies aux. of the left. And the left, by their very nature are weak. They want to be dependent on govt. for their existence. This is the essence of weakness. And when these facts are pointed out they reply with childish attacks and empty-headed phrases about teachers and first responders; in other words they dodge the issue.
            2) Strong(and smart) women realize that the traditional two-parent family is the gold standard. Second wave feminism was created by a spoiled brat(Betty Fernand[sp?]) who liked to study communism. However, like every other limo liberal, she wasn’t about to give up her privilidges. Also, she has several domestic violence indicents on her records where SHE was the aggressor. I know some single parents are in their situation due to circumstance beyond their control(IE Abandonment), however, many are simply selfish. They want the privilidge and status of motherhood without the sacrifice. Like all other radical leftist arguments, it is childish.

          • $24647834

            I’ll type this slowly since you don’t read well: The idiot I responded to suggested she needed to take Midol. THAT is the misogyny I commented on. Not whatever crud you are throwing in response

    • JINNASH

      The best way to hurt someone from her side is to make them pay their own bills.

  • dennylee60

    Rush should know by now that Conservatives/Republicans are not allowed to be funny and every word must be taken literally. Only liberals can tell jokes and make sarcastic remarks.

    • Kate

      Yeah, remember all of those liberals making supposed “sarcastic” remarks about wanting to assassinate Bush? Or more recently, Mitt Romney?

  • Steve_J

    When did he say this?

    • thetreyman

      a couple of days ago. he had been talking about gun control and obama using the kids as political human shields. and right before the break, as he usually does, he cracks a joke that usually is making a point and/or is used to twist liberals in knots. i think this one did both. bravo el rushbo, bravo.

      • Steve_J

        I have been trying to find his monologue and read the comment in context since the left kind of cherry picks his comments.

        • DocAmazing

          There’s really no need to cherry pick his comments. He says outrageous stuff all the time. Only a genuine moron would be able to listen to him without flinching.

          • TocksNedlog

            Nice ad hom. You only think its outrageous because what he said is true.

        • thetreyman

          BEGIN TRANSCRIPT

          RUSH: I’m gonna take a stab at answering my question. Obama is literally pushing people to snap, attacking the very sanity of the country. To what end? Aside from wanting everybody’s name on a list of some kind, why is Obama doing all of this? I mean, all of this is so in our face. Everything that people hold dear is under assault, deliberately making people upset. This is not what presidents do. Deliberately making people upset.

          Maybe this is about revenge. You know, Obama used that word when he was on the campaign trail prior to the election. He told his supporters in Ohio to go vote and get their revenge. Revenge against who? Well, obviously, the people that disagree with Obama. But who are those people? He clearly knows who they are, and I think the root of this, I think the answer to my question can be found in the comment that Obama made when he thought he was off the record at a fundraiser in San Francisco, when he talked about the bitter clingers. These are people that the liberals all know. These are the not very bright people that want life to never change. They don’t want any progress.

          They want to remain cloistered in their archaic, antique past, and when things don’t go right, when there’s too much change, when there’s too much progress or progressivism, like when there’s civil rights laws, they don’t like it. When there’s gay rights and gay marriage, they don’t like it. When there’s all kinds of cultural rot on TV, they don’t like it. And so what do these people do? They get bitter, and they cling to their guns, and they cling to their religion. They cling to their antipathy for people that don’t look like them, and this would include minorities and immigrants and so forth. Maybe it is that that’s who Obama wants revenge on. Maybe he has an active dislike for the people he calls the bitter clingers.

          That birth control mandate was revenge on the bitter clingers. People clinging to their religion when things are happening so fast around them they don’t understand and they don’t like, so they cling to their religion as though being religious is clinging to something. When people move in that don’t look like them and don’t like them, they cling to their archaic sexist and racist views, and they grab their guns or what have you. Here’s what he said. He said, “It’s not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy toward people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.”

          And if you noticed now, Obama has found a way to get back at ’em on every single point. He is in their face on guns. He’s in their face on religion. He’s in their face on immigration. Amnesty by executive order was revenge on those who don’t like immigrants, in his view and the view of a lot of leftists. You people in Kentucky, for example, you in the hills of Kentucky and West Virginia and in Georgia and the Carolinas, down there in Mississippi, Alabama, you people, you’re the ones, you don’t like all this change so you cling to all these old-fashioned standards. And you’re holding this country back from moving forward, being modern and so forth.

          Maybe that’s it. But clearly he has animosity for these people that he calls the bitter clingers, and everything he’s done has been in their face. It really has. And it continued today with this massive new effort now to stop gun violence, which is what they’re now calling gun control. I want to go to the audio sound bites here. Let me go back and replay the NRA ad that has the left in a tizzy. Well, they were this morning. They’re a little mollified now that Obama has spoken, but the NRA took it right to Obama.

          ANNOUNCER: Are the president’s kids more important than yours? Then why is he skeptical about putting armed security in our schools, when his kids are protected by armed guards at their schools? Mr. Obama demands the wealthy pay their fair share of taxes. But he’s just another elitist hypocrite when it comes to a fair share of security.

          RUSH: Ooh, you don’t do that. You don’t call Obama an elitist hypocrite. His kids are more important than yours, and you should damn well know that. You should respect that. His kids are more important than yours. He’s Barack Obama. He’s more important than you are. You ought to understand it’s okay for him to do whatever he has to do to stay safe, ’cause he’s our leader. We’re nothing without him. And he’s nothing without his family. You’ve got to understand that. We can lose your kids. We can have your kids get kidnapped, and that’s one thing, but not his kids. Oh, no. The country can’t put up with that.

          A bunch of leftist bloggers actually started tweeting things that I just said. His kids are more important than yours. Yes, they are. He’s the leader. He’s a Dear Leader. He’s entitled to better food than you have. He’s entitled to more travel, better travel. He’s entitled to a nicer house than you, because we all need him. That’s what they think. Here is the state run media in lockstep on this.

          NORAH ODONNELL: The NRA gets personal against the President.

          JON KARL: A harsh, personal attack on the President.

          SAVANNAH GUTHRIE: An ad that gets very personal.

          JOHN DICKERSON: It’s already pretty personal.

          CAROL COSTELLO: It’s personal now, a new NRA web ad makes no bones about it. We’re going for the jugular.

          RUSH: See, Obama’s never personal. His bitter clinger comments, that’s not personal. When he mocks and makes fun of people who aren’t like him, that’s not personal. When Obama says he doesn’t know what’s in Rush Limbaugh’s heart, that’s not personal. When Obama says whatever he says about the NRA or whatever he said about Romney, that wasn’t personnel. Calling Romney a felon in his campaign, accusing Romney of heartlessly standing by while a man’s wife died from cancer?

          It’s not personal! No, no! See, Obama’s never personal. Obama’s the essence of a wonderful spirit. He’s the essence of perfection. The NRA, that’s getting mean and nasty and personal now. So Obama can say whoever or whatever about whoever he wants, and it’s just the way it is — and you better damn well agree with it. If you don’t, and if you voice your disapproval, you’re “getting personal,” and that makes you a target. You don’t do that. Not at all.

          Here is Yvette, Gainesville, Florida. I’m glad you waited. Great to have you on the EIB Network. Hello.

          CALLER: Hey, how are you?

          RUSH: Good. Thank you very much for calling.

          CALLER: Oh, thank you for having me on. Okay, gun violence is gun control. I like the comments of the children standing behind him and writing the letters. But are they the same the children who wrote letters to Santa Claus, hoping that he’s gonna bring them toys and gifts, that Santa Claus who isn’t real? So we’re gonna put our thoughts or our hopes behind…?

          RUSH: Are you questioning the president’s commitment to the safety of those children?

          CALLER: I’m questioning the president’s reality. If he really wants to stop gun violence or reduce gun violence, it’s gonna take more or something different than gun control because controlling guns means only the law-abiding citizens will not have guns. Drug dealers will have guns, terrorists will have guns, crazy people will have guns.

          RUSH: That’s true. I’ve often wondered, what is so hard for the left to understand about that? By definition, if you have gun control laws, the law-abiding will be the only people that don’t have guns. In fact, the most stringent gun control laws in the country today are DC and New York and they’ve got the highest crime rates with guns. Doesn’t that tell them something? So it must be something not to do with guns. It’s gotta be about something totally different than gun control.

          CALLER: I think it does. It’s just terrible that 26 people died in Sandy Hook and 20 of them were children. Terrible. Very sad, coming up to Christmas. Hopes and dreams the young children had, their parents and weddings and congratulations that will never occur. However, on any given day in America, more than 3,000 children are killed from abortion, and we have no problems with that. We’re okay with that; it’s not an issue.

          You can’t spend 40 years telling people and telling children that if I make a mistake — if something comes up and this child that I don’t want is in the way of my future and the way of me graduating high school, is in the way of me going to college, is the way of me being happy, is in the way of whatever I want out of life — then it’s okay for me to kill the baby. But later on when I become a disgruntled employee, when I become an unhappy student at school because children are bullying me, then I want to eliminate them to get them out of the way? It’s the same concept.

          RUSH: Well, it’s a good point. You know how to stop abortion? Require that each one occur with a gun.

          END TRANSCRIPT

  • George Washington Mclintock

    Two can play this game: ” Weak grasp of reality, strange statements, and illogical ranting: Is Amanda MArcotte a danger to her friends and loved ones?”

  • $129448

    aren’t they killing a baby?

    • DocAmazing

      Fetuses are babies?

      Damn shame you aren’t as eager to support the lives of those already born (by feeding and housing them) as you are those in utero.

      • TocksNedlog

        Yes Virginia, fetuses ARE babies. And, just like it is with babies once they’re born, the responsibility of supporting them belongs to their parents, and NOT the fellow citizens of their parents.

        • Russell Masingale

          so by that logic you dont get to tell the parents weather they can abort or not. not you kid right? why do you only care about “babys” before they are born? is that when you limit is reached before you have to do a damn thing?

          • TocksNedlog

            No, not right. I said that society should hold parents morally, physically and financially responsible for protecting and supporting their children from inside the womb until they reach legal age.
            That doesn’t mean telling parents they cannot abort — it means encouraging them not to.
            That doesn’t mean denying parents welfare or food stamps — it means encouraging them to work.
            That doesn’t mean eliminating child protective services — it means encouraging the financial and emotional stability of a
            two-parent household.
            You see, ‘by my logic’ I want parents to ALWAYS care about doing the best for their kids.

          • JINNASH

            Grow up. Collectivism is a failure. Your immature attitude only collapses a society. You are purposefully ignoring parental responsibility in order to justify your own selfish attitudes. Very transparent.

      • Netmilsmom

        There are THOUSANDS of families that would take them. Now since Russia has cut off adoptions, there are even more. Why would you think that we AREN’T willing to feed and house them?
        I’ll take two babies, thanks!

      • $129448

        Oh, do you have a female reproduction organs? you assume too much. I support the right to choice, it is legal, I also have the guts to admit that something with arms, legs, a head, heart, fingers, & toes, is a human baby.why don’t you take a look at a 4 month old aborted fetus and come back to me with an honest answer, after you grow some balls.

      • $129448

        Yes, a fetus is a baby, you are just afraid to admit it. I actually do support the poor, every time the losers in the government take my hard earned money and give it a way to lazy losers who cannot figure out how to get out of bed and go to work.

      • Catchance

        Interesting you say that, as studies show that religious conservatives give far more to charity than any of you atheist progressives.

      • JINNASH

        As usual wrong. Its the parents RESPONSIBILITY to see to the welfare of the child. I know your side hates the “R” word. If your big enough to play “adult games” then your big enough to take on the responsibility. If not, don’t play. No one has the right to play and then FREELOAD off of the rest of us.
        I know sometimes people stumble and need a little help, but that is entirely different than living a lifetime on the dole. If you don’t think they should be responsible then you have no right to call yourself an adult. You are simply an enablers of parasites.

    • bargal20

      If they’re killing a baby, why aren’t you and every other zygote defender campaigning for the death penalty for women who have abortions? Why is that?

      • APW

        It’s hypocritical to want the death penalty for women who abort. The point is to preserve life. Nor is it a legal crime. So call it a zygote if it eases your conscience, but abortion is a moral crime. How do you feel about 55 million babies aborted since Roe v Wade? Is that something that makes you happy? Say it loud and proud, because I want to be sure God hears you.

      • $129448

        I love how right to choose people just cannot admit it is a baby that is being aborted. I support the right to choose, it is legal, do what you want, but don’t pretend it isn’t a human life. God people are so weak & cowardly.

      • JINNASH

        another selfish crybaby. Key word RESPONSIBILITY. Key persons PARENTS. To think otherwise is to be immature and selfish.

  • CR

    My favorite line is the one about how pro-life supporters want women to be “unable to exert basic control over their bodies.” Maybe they should exert some basic control over their bodies called keeping their legs together or at least using birth control so they don’t have to kill babies in the first place. And I’m speaking as a woman (who has managed to control her body and not have an unplanned pregnancy!)

    • $63227

      and who, I’m assuming, has been fortunate enough to have never been raped.

      • thetreyman

        my sister was and is still strictly pro life in all circumstances. so whats your point? also, i have a distant cousin that is the product of rape. do you think he should be dead for something he didnt do?

        • CR

          The liberal ideology. Punish the people who did NOT commit the crime (take guns from law abiding citizens, kill the babies because someone else was a rapist)

          • $63227

            my point is that the claim that women just need to control themselves and keep their legs closed to avoid an unwanted pregnancy is stupid. Which it is.

          • APW

            Eve, I would agree with you in that the way that claim was stated was crude and stupidly simplistic. That said, it is a truism that not having sex will prevent unwanted pregnancy. But that’s unreasonable. On the other hand, you must concede that abortion is used as a form of birth control for some women. I think that is a disgrace. Are you aware that 55 million abortions have been performed since Roe v Wade 40 years ago? That’s 5 holocausts. 55 million unique lives that have been ended. I’d like to know what you feel about that? I ask this sincerely and without rancor.

          • $63227

            okay, since I feel you actually want a dialogue while the rest of them are just screaming about infanticide: I worked on a hotline for Planned Parenthood, giving information about birth control and abortion to women and girls seeking it. I’ve also volunteered as a clinic escort. And I’m a woman with lots of women friends who reads a lot about this issue. And during all of that, I have not encountered one woman who uses abortion as birth control. Which makes total sense–abortion is painful, it is expensive, etc. Where are you finding these women using it as birth control? Do you have ANY evidence in that regard? And even if a few are, which I find illogical, the vast, vast majority of them are not.

            Also, women using birth control do sometimes get pregnant. Condoms break, the pill fails, and even women who are being responsible will get pregnant. I don’t see any of these comments taking facts like that into consideration, just like they don’t consider rape, or girls raised in ignorance who don’t understand the risks of pregnancy during sex. I’m also dismayed at the cavalier attitude of “that’s what she gets for having sex.” Women don’t get pregnant by themselves. Why aren’t men held accountable for the role they play in this? Why is only the woman’s responsibility to deal with an unwanted pregnancy?

            In addition, please remember that before Roe vs. Wade, abortions were being performed in this country. Were Roe vs. Wade to be overturned, abortions would still be being performed in this country. The only difference would be that the women having them would be dying or suffering from serious medical problems because the abortions being performed would be unsafe. Outlawing abortion doesn’t get rid of it.

            If you really, really want to reduce the number of abortions being performed in this country, support comprehensive sex ed, which has been proven to be more effective than abstinence-only. Support moves to make reproductive health care and birth control more affordable and widely available. Support programs that help the poor so that they don’t feel forced to terminate a pregnancy because they can’t afford another child. And work towards a society in which men understand that they are just as responsible for the consequences of sex as women are.

            I know the difference between anti-abortion and pro-life. My mother is pro-life. We don’t agree on this issue. But she would never judge anyone for their choices, or feel she has the right to legally impose her views on someone else. The anti-abortion movement, on the other hand, propagates medical falsehoods, inserts politicians between doctors and their patients, blocks things like sex ed and access to birth control that would actually reduce abortion, and views all women who have sex with suspicion and disdain. That’s why I have zero respect for it, or for the other hateful, ignorant people spouting on this thread. I suspect you are more pro-life than anti-abortion, and I thank you for inviting me to have a real dialogue with you.

          • TocksNedlog

            “I have not encountered one woman who uses abortion as birth control.”
            — Got some news for ya: Every woman that has an abortion uses it as birth control.

          • http://www.facebook.com/douglas.turmel Douglas Turmel

            Absolutely bizarre: “I have not encountered a woman who uses abortion as a method of birth control”. Well I, myself can think of four that I have known, just off the top of my head. Also, if Roe vs. Wade were declared null tomorrow, guess what would happen? The issue would go to the states – each state would make it’s own decision as to the legality of abortion.

          • BushDidIt

            “Why aren’t men held accountable for the role they play in this?”

            We are. We are held LEGALLY and financially responsible for it. Ever hear of child support? Centuries after the abolition of debtor’s prisons on humanitarian grounds, MEN who were unable to pay child support arrears were held in incarceration for their inability to pay. 80% of those men who fail to pay child support live below the poverty level.

            And unlike you, we don’t have the power to end a pregnancy,or decide when we want to become fathers. It being your body apparently means you get to make our choices for us as well as your own. I guess the reason why some view it as a woman’s responsibility to deal with an unwanted pregnancy is because women have 100% of the reproductive rights that exist in this country. You have the power, that means YOU have the responsibility. Want men to take some responsibility? Give them some of your reproductive power.

            It is absurd for you to get 100% of the rights while you dump even 10% of the responsibility off on men.

          • Sean Barrentine

            Outlawing abortion won’t get rid of it? By that logic, since outlawing murder doesn’t stop murders from occurring, murder shouldn’t be illegal. People who want to do something wrong are going to do it, regardless of the law, after all, aren’t they? Maybe we should just make all our laws suggestions instead. Hopefully, you understood that I don’t truly believe we should remove all the laws, and recognize that I was merely trying to point out the flaw in your statement there. Abortion is ending a life. It is human, and not part of the mother or the father It has its own genetic code. Because it is human cell tissue, and alive, it is therefore a human life, if not fully ready to leave its current location. Taking the life of another human is murder. In other words, Eve, abortion is murder. It is even charged as such in a multitude of states if the child is killed by someone else. If you support abortion, then, you support the right to commit murder on an individual unable to defend themselves or even grasp the concept of defense. How sick is that? It hardly matters HOW that child came to be. They didn’t do anything to deserve death, so why kill them? You cite rape. It is for that very reason that rape is such a terrible act. It not only violates the victim, but if they become pregnant, then they have to live with a constant reminder until the child is born and then raise that child or give them to another to raise, or else become a murderer. You cite uninformed women. This only highlights the importance of making certain our young people are fully aware that some actions have consequences, sometimes serious and lasting ones, and that such actions should not be taken lightly unless they are fully prepared to take the responsibility of such potential results. You also cite those that take precautions and still become pregnant. Well, if that happens, then it still doesn’t mean they should kill the child. If they were being truly responsible about the matter, then they wouldn’t have had sex without having a way to handle a pregnancy, even if they’re not ready to actually raise a child. They have 9 months to decide whether to keep the child or give them to another, and to take any other option merely cheapens sex. It’s supposed to actually mean something, not just be a tool of self-gratification. At any rate, I believe I addressed your three points, as well as the underlying issue. In case you didn’t catch it, one more time. Abortion is taking another human life; i.e., murder. Thank you for your time.

          • APW

            Eve, You’re welcome. I wish we could all have civil discourse — conservatives and liberals might learn to co-exist if everyone kept a grip on their tempers. With that said, I agree that sex education, birth control, and a full court press on men to take responsibility for their sex lives would go far in reducing the number of abortions. But I do know a few women who had multiple abortions–they shake their heads and grin like they are a little embarrassed. That makes my heart break. Right now, I am praying with all my family and friends that my niece–a 27 week gestational preemie who weighs 2 lbs will survive. The irony of this is obvious. And as difficult as it might be for a woman to have an abortion, it is far worse for her soul. I do not judge her, but I do believe she will have to answer for it one day. These are my deeply held beliefs and it really is my moral obligation to state it. Again, no anger, no hatred. Just a deep sorrow for the babies who are ended and the mothers, who if they really knew what they were doing, would find another way.

          • http://profile.yahoo.com/JDFWJK7W5METRYKG4V5IWPAUEE John

            you are right Eve. As you say women cannot control themselves and need ME to provide the money for their abortions. All I ask is for the Right of first re-entry, after helping you. I know you would want my help. Or perhaps a lottery for first re-entry? Let’s work out the details

          • Russell Masingale

            yeah zero gov money pays for abortion. thank they hyde amendment. now i expect you will cry planned parenthood! evil Liberals! you want first reentry then when you go on ss and medicare i expect to be able to use your stuff while you are in hospital. because i will be subsidizing you then you dirty hippy freeloader.

          • CR

            Actually, we pay in to social security and medicare so they aren’t technically welfare programs. Not to mention many conservatives would prefer that social security be privatized so there is no subsidizing by anyone. And we do pay for abortion not because we pay for it in tax dollars but because of insurance premiums. Under Obamacare, insurers are required to cover abortion now. So every single person who has insurance on his own or through his employer (which thanks to the individual mandate will technically be everyone) will subsidize abortion through their premiums. Good try though.

          • $63227

            good try indeed. Obamacare leaves it to the insurance companies to decide whether or not to cover abortion: http://washingtonexaminer.com/obamacare-limits-freedom-on-abortion-contraception/article/2510781#.UPs-4eg1Yhs

          • TocksNedlog

            “We” pay for EVERY entitlement program.

          • $63227

            “re-entry”? Are you really saying what I think you’re saying? I hope to god you aren’t married or raising daughters.

          • BushDidIt

            Good. Now that you’ve proved you have some sense of decency,imagine how we feel hearing you tell us the exact same thing from the feminine point of view. Your arguments are every bit as repugnant to us as John’s over-the-top posturing for comic relief is to you.

            Do you realize you have demanded,and got,us in a state where we as men not only have no choice when we become parents and you women get to pick and choose as you please,but now WE get to pay for your freedoms (that we don’t have) too. You haven’t even so much as offered us a promise that we can even taste a morsel of that particular pie, you have grabbed the whole tin for yourself and sit there chastising us as though we were the ones acting boorish,crumbs flying from your mouth with every breath.

          • $63227

            I think you’re forgetting that women don’t get pregnant by themselves. When you’ve figured out that it’s the 21st century, we should talk again.

          • http://profile.yahoo.com/JDFWJK7W5METRYKG4V5IWPAUEE John

            Eve, the President voted for infanticide — you know when the fetus which you call not human actually makes it out alive. Defend him.

          • Netmilsmom

            She spewed, she’s gone.

          • $63227

            nope.

      • CR

        Pro-abortion people ALWAYS have to bring the argument around to rape because otherwise they lose the argument. There is no argument FOR killing babies. The only statistic I can find is that 1 percent of abortions or less are caused by rape. What about the other 99 percent?

        • Kate

          Besides, there are plenty of Conservative Americans that support abortion ONLY for rape/incest/protecting the life of the mother. The liberal media then takes this stat and twists it to say, “Look, most Americans support abortion!” which necessarily the whole story.

          • Brenda Johnson

            There also are plenty of conservative americans who will have abortions when it’s their problem.

          • TocksNedlog

            Extremely umbday.

          • Catchance

            Let me think…. um…. Nah.

        • $63227

          I can win any argument on this you dish out. Try me.

          • $63227

            Unlike the anti-abortion side, I don’t make facts and statistics up out of thin air. Beating you people when you try and peddle that nonsense is easy. You never fight fair, and you never admit when you’re beaten, because you’re hysterical ideologues. But give it a shot if you think you can.

          • CR

            Yes, every single person who is anti-abortion is pedaling nonsense, fighting unfairly and a hysterical ideologue. That’s not prejudice, narrow minded or ridiculous and there is NO possible reason for saying you don’t want babies to die or for having a different point of view. Thanks for setting me straight and what an excellent way to start discourse.

            I’m not even going to waste time having an argument on this issue with someone who has immediately resorted to civilities of name calling and calling me a liar on the basis of nothing.

            I will only say two things and I will not reply again, it is futile:

            1) What statistic did I make up? As I said, the only statistic I can find is that 1% of abortions or less are due to rape.

            http://www.epm.org/resources/2010/Mar/29/abortion-right-when-pregnancy-due-rape-or-incest/

            http://www.ehow.com/list_7312602_reasons-abortions.html

            http://www.nytimes.com/1989/10/13/us/rape-and-incest-just-1-of-all-abortions.html

            http://gestetnerupdates.com/tag/how-many-abortions-take-place-due-to-rape/

            If you have a statistic that says differently, please share.

            2) Outside of rape and incest, what justification is there for allowing a woman who made a choice to have sex to avoid the consequences of that choice by killing a baby? Please answer that.

          • gensec

            “Outside of rape and incest, what justification is there for allowing a woman who made a choice to have sex to avoid the consequences of that choice”

            Choice to have sex? What choice did a rape victim have? Go talk to the religious extremists saying a rape victim is a Nazi for wanting an abortion.

          • CR

            Can you show me the quote where a “religious extremist” called a rape victim a nazi? I must have missed that one? Please provide a link.

            Reasonable readers will notice that I said that OUTSIDE of rape and incest, a woman makes a choice to have sex. So, instead of addressing my actual points (which there is no argument against), you try to change the structure of the conversation back to rape and “religious extremists” This is because there is NO argument for killing babies if you do not bring things back to rape or saving the life of the mother.

            I’m not even religious (just anti-infanticide because I’m pretty generally against murder of all kinds), but I also don’t know that I would necessarily say it is “extreme” to harbor the belief that a baby shouldn’t have to die for something it did not do.

          • gensec

            Sorry CR, you’re right. I lost track of who & what thread. There definitely are extremists who want rape victims to endure another 9 months of their bodies used without consent, e.g.
            http://twitchy.com/2013/01/17/effort-to-akin-ize-pro-life-republicans-continues-apace/#comment-771274537
            but I apologize for misreading and including you among them.

          • http://www.facebook.com/douglas.turmel Douglas Turmel

            Teaching a woman to kill a baby, even if it came by the act of rape – is teaching our society to die. That baby should be loved and cherished – not discarded. Abortion is the way of the coward and the fool.

          • Catchance

            We would take you more seriously if you wouldn’t use straw men… none of us think a rape victim is a Nazi for wanting an abortion. I would never force anything on the victim of a rape, no matter whether I feel it’s justified or not.

          • http://www.facebook.com/douglas.turmel Douglas Turmel

            I know a rape victim who decided to have the baby and gave her up for adoption. She is a beautiful girl, about five years old now, I saw her last year. She likes to stick out her tongue and try to touch her nose. She is a beautiful example of life – not death.

          • $63227

            ehow? I don’t let my students use that in their research papers. Your link to the Times is from 1989. Pathetic.

          • CR

            And this is why I am done replying to you and never should have replied in the first place. Your argument centers around calling people names (pathetic) and not actually making any point or providing any information to back up whatever your argument is, which I am assuming is that women should be able to go out and have unprotected sex and get pregnant and abort the babies whenever they darn well feel like it because the baby’s LIFE doesn’t matter next to the mother’s right to have sex without taking any responsibility for what having sex entails.

            As to the statistics, I specifically said AS FAR AS I CAN FIND. There don’t seem to be a lot of statistics on this issue published online, but the ones that do exist indicate that it is 1% or less.

            If you want to prove whatever the hell your point is, why don’t you find some statistics showing how many abortions actually do occur as a result of rape. And I am assuming you support abortion outside of rape, so what is the point of focusing on the SMALL percentage of abortions that occur as a result of rape. Perhaps the point is those (and ones w/ incest or life of mother at stake) are the ONLY abortions you can justify as being morally acceptable.

            Otherwise, you could answer the more important question. Outside of rape, incest or when the life of the mother is in danger, what justification is there for killing a baby because a woman wanted to have sex and didn’t take precautions to prevent an unplanned pregnancy.

            And because I am only replying to you once, it is very easy to find information about how Obama voted against the Born Alive bill, even after provisions were put in to protect Roe v. Wade. Do a damn google search and educate yourself on something instead of just coming in here and saying that everyone else is wrong when they have pretty clearly articulated their argument.

            And I am done now. Not replying to you again, it is a waste of time.

          • $63227

            I agree.

          • djshawman

            Curious to know if this is how you engage in conversation with your students. I am sure you’re a wonderful teacher based on your comments here. In my experience with most liberal women (I used to be one of them-liberal, that is…I’m still a woman.) unless the source came from a liberal site, I tossed it out for not being credible. The irony is that a liberal site would never contradict my views anyway so changing my mind was quite impossible. I too threw out snarky comments meant to illustrate how much more enlightened I was than idiot conservatives. I know your game. You’re just another angry feminazi whose life is void of any real meaning that you have to come to here to attempt to make everyone else miserable. Abortion is murder. Plain and simple. You can talk about women’s rights, but at the end of the day it’s really just rationalizing murder. Someone must die so that someone else isn’t burdened (for whatever reason).

          • BushDidIt

            Re:2

            Especially when she can get contraception that prevents a baby from being conceived in the first place anywhere for like five bucks.

          • http://profile.yahoo.com/JDFWJK7W5METRYKG4V5IWPAUEE John

            All I want after I pay for your abortion is the RIGHT (it is in the constitution) for first re-entry. After all, we are ALL in this together.

          • TocksNedlog

            Sure. How about you start by saying something (anything!) with the weight of substance behind it?

          • $63227

            Okay: the anti-abortion side makes up facts such as rape can’t cause pregnancy, or that abortion causes breast cancer. They paint organizations like Planned Parenthood as as abortion industry even though they’re non-profit and provide as many of their services on a sliding-scale as possible. They use non-medical, political terms like “partial birth abortion” and try to portray it as the norm when that procedure is ONLY used in cases of great medical risk and the vast majority of abortions are performed within the first trimester. And they tend to be against more funding for education, health care, and social programs that help poor children, which leads me to believe that they only care about children until they’re outside the womb.

          • TocksNedlog

            Okay, “the anti-abortion side” is a nice way of stereotyping pro-lifers by ascribing to all of them the excessive rhetoric of those on the fringe. That is hardly the way in which to engage in HONEST debate.
            Moving forward, do you honestly believe that being a non-profit abortion industry somehow elevates Planned Parenthood’s moral stature? I don’t.
            Your conclusions about spending are extremely partisan, reflecting the attitude that the government is more capable of taking care of children than their parents are.

          • http://www.facebook.com/douglas.turmel Douglas Turmel

            I saw a friend of mine, she has always wanted a family. She got pregnant in a dumb relationship and then aborted the baby as a form of birth control. She then immediately got breast cancer, out of nowhere. And that’s when I realized that doctors are starting to see a link between abortion and breast cancer. Look it up, but beware – the mainstream media does not want you to realize this is happening.

          • $63227

            neither does the American Medical Association or the American Congress of Obstetricians of Gynecologists, apparently. This is what I mean–your side doesn’t use solid medical science.

          • http://www.facebook.com/douglas.turmel Douglas Turmel

            Isn’t your posting about “women dying from back-alley abortions” if Roe vs Wade is struck down, itself, the mark of a hysterical idealogue? I already explained Robert Bork’s observation; the constitution is silent on the subject of abortion. So it becomes a matter for the states to decide.

          • BushDidIt

            “Unlike the anti-abortion side, I don’t make facts and statistics up out of thin air.”

            You don’t need to. Liberal academicians make facts and stats up out of thin air for you,which you then cite. By the time you get around to citing them, you aren’t defrauding anyone. It’s like money laundering for fraudulent ideas.

            Here are just a few such examples:”1 in 4 women will be raped in (x number of years)”

            Based on a study done by a feminist who asked questions like “Did you ever have sex with a man because he gave you drugs or alcohol?”,which were vague enough to be interpreted any number of ways by the respondent and too vague to demonstratively prove anything. 70% of those she determined to have been raped did not characterize their experience as rape and went on to again have sex with their supposed “rapist”.

            “Only two percent of rape reports are false”

            This quote is cited to a police woman who was saying that she believed that the rates of false rape report were similar to other crimes false reporting rate, around 2%.In other words, this quote, repeatedly used by the feminist lobby to bonk people on the head for opposing radical changes to the laws,to effectively say that there was no possibility the system would be exploited by rent-seekers,vengeful ex-girlfriends or just mentally ill women, was someone’s guess. Depending on which study you look at, the actual figure is between 12 and 40% false claims for rape,much,MUCH,higher than for other crimes.

            “60-1100% of rapes go unreported”

            Well, here’s the obvious question-if they aren’t reported where did your numbers come from? Not any compilation of statistical data, you just admitted you don’t have any. This is a self-reinforcing claim,part of the reason it is so attractive. The lack of proof is the proof that it is occurring. In reality,though, if you have no evidence crimes are taking place, and you say they are despite any ability to prove your claim, you are MAKING FACTS UP OUT OF THIN AIR.

            These are just a smattering of the “facts” the left has outright made up on one particular subject. When it comes to politics, you could write an entire Encyclopedia Brittanica series on made-up lefty “facts”.Probably about 3/4th’s of the stuff you think you know is made up crap and junk science you’ve been fed in order to get you to agitate for leftism.It’s hidden under layers and layers of citations and conventional wisdom laid over blatant falsehood, but the evidence is there if you dig for it.

          • JINNASH

            Proaborts ALWAYS make up facts. No reprocussions HUGE LIE. Many women experience them years after. They intentionally cut off the study to one year. And I DARE any proabort to look up the lies told when Roe v Wade was being decided. My favorite is the elimination of child abuse.

          • Gary Rudick

            Abortion is about deciding whose life is more worthy, the mother or the child, the Nazis wanted to fix Germany by deciding whose life was more worthy the Aryan or the Jew. In America, we don’t punish children for what their parents did, nor do we force them to inherit the same life, whether farmer or king.

          • dwok

            How about this argument.

            The President seeking gun control legislation under the guise of protecting children. The same man that supported infanticide as Illinois State Senator. He voted against a bill that would allow medical treatment to a live baby following a botched abortion.

          • $63227

            post the link.

          • CR
          • $63227

            Newbusters is a joke, and that link doesn’t work anyway. The Washington Post article doesn’t stipulate Obama having a problem with giving medical treatment to a baby born after a botch abortion. He rightly raised the issue that the language of the bill sought to undo Row v. Wade. And if you’re so concerned about the consequences of botched abortions, the last thing you’d want to do is make them illegal.

          • Catchance

            You misspelled ‘condom”.

          • $63227

            wow. Really?

          • http://www.facebook.com/douglas.turmel Douglas Turmel

            A little bit of irony, there.

          • http://www.facebook.com/douglas.turmel Douglas Turmel

            How about: abortion is murder??

          • http://www.facebook.com/douglas.turmel Douglas Turmel

            Or how about: a woman is walking across a crosswalk in a street. A man driving a car hits the woman and kills her. The woman was pregnant. How many people did the man kill?

          • CR

            In November, a couple was awarded a $1.7 million verdict in a drunk driving incident. What happened to justify such a verdict, you might ask? Their 6 month old UNBORN CHILD was killed.

            http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2012/11/24/dram-shop-laws/1660707/

            Currently, at least 38 states also have fetal homicide laws on the books. http://www.ncsl.org/issues-research/health/fetal-homicide-state-laws.aspx

            So, only a mother can kill her baby with impunity. God Bless America.

            And God Bless liberal hypocrisy that says the 2nd amendment shouldn’t mean what it literally says, but that we should read “unenumerated rights” into the Constitution (aka crap liberals make up) to make sure that states don’t get to make their own decision on abortion.

          • JINNASH

            You’ve already lost in the real world. Your selfishness is all too transparent. Your trying to rationalize childish behavior.

      • http://www.facebook.com/douglas.turmel Douglas Turmel

        Rape and incest were “historically” considered the only reasons for abortion. But if you think about it, the hatred that goes along with ripping a baby out of its mother’s body – the sheer hatred and malevolence that accompanies that act, makes it the cruelest act of all. No wonder Ann Coulter calls abortion the “sacrament” of the liberal religion. Sacrificing children on the altar of selfishness while calling it “freedom” or “compassion” is a lie that comes from somewhere else than heaven.

      • CherDash

        So a baby should be sentenced to death for the crimes of one of the people who conceived him/her?

        • $63227

          you’re operating under the anti-abortion movement’s definition of life. I’m operating under the medical definition of life. By the way, nothing in the Bible supports your definition. We won’t agree on this ever, because we have fundamentally different views on when life begins.

      • JINNASH

        Rape is horrible. One reason is because the woman is an innocent victim; so is the child. Maybe she should direct her (understandable) anger at the perpetrator. There are many loving families who are willing to financially help with the costs and care of pregnancy and adopt the child after its born. I hope women will think about this option. One innocent victim(the woman) is bad; two(the child) is worse.

    • Maxwell

      I always say, “If you’re not ready to have a kid, you’re not ready to have sex.”

      • Brenda Johnson

        I’m 50. Guess I should have been celibate all these years, And I bet you had sex a lot of times where you weren’t ready to have a kid, a**hole.

        • TocksNedlog

          You couldn’t be nicer if you tried.

        • diskinetic

          I’m 45 and have never had sex. It helps that I am physically repugnant, but it was also a conscious decision. Sex, unlike eating and drinking and breathing and excreting, is a biological function that is optional.

        • Catchance

          In reality no one expects that you should have been or should be now celibate. We do expect you to have a little maturity and prevent a pregnancy in the first place.

          • JINNASH

            Or at least take responsibilty and care for the child; not kill it. Accidents due happen but we shouldn’t lower moral standards because of it.

    • http://www.facebook.com/douglas.turmel Douglas Turmel

      You’re right, women should be able to exert basic control over their bodies, such as choosing wisely their sexual partners and using birth control. Not doing either is very irresponsible.

  • wwbdinct

    Really – so murder by knife, vaccuum and ice pick is fine! Uh…….okay

    • TocksNedlog

      Out of sight, out of mind! Whee!!!

  • Purple State
    • http://www.blogger.com/profile/15458282944035344707 repsac3

      …but hypocrisy so baby-simple that even wannabe cheerleaders can get in on the act. Free sticks for all’y’all. Plkes too, if the fishin’s good.

    • TocksNedlog

      Not for you, they aren’t.

    • TexSizzle

      If leftists did not have double standards, they would have no standards at all.

  • lunaticllama

    So is saying that you want Wayne LaPierre’s “head on a stick” hyperbolic as well or are you just a wing nut hypocrite that has a poor grasp of multi-clause sentences and metaphors?

  • dwok

    Another thing lost on liberals…..nuance.

  • Atticus Dogsbody

    Head onna Stick! Get yer Head onna Stick here!

  • DocAmazing

    Let me know when it’s acceptable to metaphorically call for the head of the NRA’s head on a pike, will you? And please, let me know when “metaphor” stops including the murder of George Tiller.

    • TocksNedlog

      It is never acceptable to call for a law-abiding citizen’s head on a pike.

      • DocAmazing

        Ah, but it is acceptable to call for law-abiding women to be shot in the belly?

        • TocksNedlog

          No, it is not acceptable — which is why it is a good thing that NO ONE AT ALL has called for such a practice to occur.

  • TocksNedlog

    Limbaugh stated a truth; Marcotte lied about what he said.
    Now, who is the better person: the one who said something that was admittedly outrageous, yet true? OR, the one that LIBELED the person who spoke that outrageous truth?

  • Russell Masingale

    hey y’all. if you want your religious values and teachings to be the law of the land move somewhere else. we don’t let Jesus make our laws anymore then we let Mohammed make our laws in America.

    • NCRelite

      Scientifically speaking, abortion is murder y’all

  • David

    Leftist loons continue to twist meaning. Deflect and deceive is the Obama mantra.

  • http://twitter.com/1RandiStarr Randi Starr

    She should have lost all credibility when she LIED AND trashed THE INNOCENT Duke Lacrosse players. She’s a media Ho…..pure and simple.

  • Moonbeam

    The left plays such a vastly superior PR game than the GOP 😉

  • almarquardt

    Someone, please answer for me when a fetus becomes a human being worthy of the same life we enjoy? When the woman carrying it says so?

    It’s easy to yell at Christians for ignoring science when it’s the pro-abortion people who are ignoring the very science they supposedly advocate.

    These are also the same people who claim firearms are evil and “If it saves one child’s life . . .” blah, blah, blah. If we are to take the statement to it’s obvious conclusion we would have to ban abortions, cars, knives, hot summers, cold winters, bathtubs, rivers, ponds, lakes, bikes, sports, plastic bags, scissors, siblings, parents, fire, floods, trees, playgrounds, family, tornadoes, hurricanes, candy, nuts, sleep, snakes, dogs, tigers, poisonous bugs, string, rope, electricity, cows, horses, medicine, bricks . . . need I go on?

    What about when the use of firearms saved a child? Are their lives less worthy because of the tool used to keep them safe?

    • DocAmazing

      Okay, then tell us: when does science indicate that life begins?

      • almarquardt

        The instant the sperm penetrates the egg, the chromosomes develop into a complete DNA strand and the cell starts to divide. That is the moment; the two cells are no longer egg and sperm, but singular human being. Take any one of those cells and perform a DNA test, it will show all the indicators and individuality of that human, indistinguishable — scientifically — as anything less than you or me.

        Less than two weeks later, enough of the brain and nerves have developed the baby is capable of feeling pain. Within six weeks of conception, the fetus has everything it needs to survive: eyes, nose, mouth, heart, lungs, fingers – everything.

        Does that help to answer your question?

        • DocAmazing

          Any tumor cell has unique DNA.

          Try again.

          • almarquardt

            That’s not the point, and I can’t believe you are comparing a human child in the womb to cancer cells. It’s grotesque.

          • almarquardt

            First off, I can’t believe you compared a baby in the womb as a cancer. It’s grotesque.

            Your analogy does not work even at face value, because cancer destroys life while pregnancy perpetuates it.

        • almarquardt

          For some reason I can’t leave a comment to DocAmazing — or I simply can’t see it — so I’ll try it again here (my apologies if this is the third time you’ve seen this):

          First off, I can’t believe you compared a human baby in the womb as cancer. It’s grotesque.

          Your analogy falls apart even at the surface, because cancer destroys life while pregnancy perpetuates it.

  • TitzyFritzensimmons

    As I recall, Amanda Marcotte was involved as a hired blogger for that “outstanding” husband and father, John Edwards, and was a vociferous backer of Crystal Gayle Mangum, in the Duke Lacrosse Rape SCAM.

  • http://www.facebook.com/douglas.turmel Douglas Turmel

    I love Rush Limbaugh – he’s great for a laugh and he tells the truth about our country at the same time. No wonder liberals hate him.

  • http://www.facebook.com/douglas.turmel Douglas Turmel

    Hobby Lobby is currently under threat of a $1.3 million fine “per day” because it refuses to fund the “morning after abortion pill” to its employees. These employees, of course, are free to purchase said pill on their own. But Obamacare forces the company to pay for it.

    • DocAmazing

      Obamacare forces the company to pay for things which are covered by insurance, the premiums for which are taken out of Hobby Lobby’s employees wages.
      FTFY.