During last night’s debate, ostensibly on foreign policy, the subject of the auto industry bailouts came up. Barack Obama insisted that Mitt Romney had said that he would have liquidated the auto industry, or at least fiddled while it burned. Governor Romney asserted that he’d said no such thing.

A transcript of the exchange is available here.

The GOP and blogger Patterico, among others, sprinted in front of the lapdog media to debunk Obama’s claims. They drew attention to the 2008 op-ed Obama had alluded to last night. Contrary to Obama’s claims, in the op-ed, Governor Romney promoted tax reform and managed bankruptcy as alternatives to the auto bailout:

It is not wrong to ask for government help, but the automakers should come up with a win-win proposition. I believe the federal government should invest substantially more in basic research — on new energy sources, fuel-economy technology, materials science and the like — that will ultimately benefit the automotive industry, along with many others. I believe Washington should raise energy research spending to $20 billion a year, from the $4 billion that is spent today. The research could be done at universities, at research labs and even through public-private collaboration. The federal government should also rectify the imbedded tax penalties that favor foreign carmakers.

The American auto industry is vital to our national interest as an employer and as a hub for manufacturing. A managed bankruptcy may be the only path to the fundamental restructuring the industry needs. It would permit the companies to shed excess labor, pension and real estate costs. The federal government should provide guarantees for post-bankruptcy financing and assure car buyers that their warranties are not at risk.

In a managed bankruptcy, the federal government would propel newly competitive and viable automakers, rather than seal their fate with a bailout check.

Hmmm … call us crazy, but it sounds like Obama was full of it.

Conservative Twitterers agreed. They saw right through the president’s lies and called on the media to do their job:

Their calls were finally answered.

Wow. When MSNBC can’t even cover for the president …

President Obama, for his part, has merely doubled down on his lie:

During a speech today in Ohio, he continued to beat the drum:

It’s long past time the Obama campaign slogan be changed from “Forward” to “Never let the truth get in the way of a good false narrative.”

“Wrong” is being too kind. President Obama is actively engaged in deception. We deserve a solid leader, not a liar. Remember in November.

  • Love of Country

    Liberalism is a lie and anyone and everyone who props it up and/or supports it is a pathological liar …. Barack Owebamao is exhibit A.

    • hillbilleter

      Hmm. Liberalism is a term, not a lie. That’s like saying mechanics is a lie, or carpentry is a lie, or philosophy is a lie. But then I went on to your schoolyard name-calling and realized that you will never get the fact that once you start bullying you lose credence.

      • Love of Country

        What do you find when you go into 99% of all cities that have been run from top to bottom by liberal social and fiscal policies for at least 20 or 30 years unfettered by those awful Republicans and their conservative values and influences?

        You see … the promise of liberalism is a vibrant utopia with all of its magically transcendental and prosperous trappings and yet all the cities steeped in liberalism and its policies are all in steep, steep, steep decline with rampant crime, violence, racism, intolerance, joblessness, dependency and fatherlessness and it’s escalating exponentially.

        Liberalism is a lie. Checkmate.

      • Love of Country

        What do you find when you go into 99% of all cities that have been run from top to bottom by liberal social and fiscal policies for at least 20 or 30 years unfettered by those awful Republicans and their conservative values and influences?

        You see … the promise of liberalism is a vibrant utopia with all of its magically transcendental and prosperous trappings and yet all the cities steeped in liberalism and its policies are all in steep, steep, steep decline with rampant crime, violence, racism, intolerance, joblessness, dependency and fatherlessness and it’s escalating exponentially.

        Liberalism is a lie. Checkmate.

      • http://twitter.com/AUBraves AUBraves

        OK… how about we say it this way…. Liberalism is a term for lying. Better?

      • Elaine

        It’s that O.J. Syndrome.. tell the lie over and over until it becomes their TRUTH. They don’t care because MOST people only hear what is said at the debate. That’s why Biden LIED so much, too.

    • bdunham

      Oh and conservatism is a term for peace, love and equality.

  • Armando

    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/19/opinion/19romney.html?_r=0 Here is the article by Rommey, titled ”
    Let Detroit Go Bankrupt”

    • TundraThunder

      That’s the NY Times for you! The title should have been “Let Detroit Go Through Managed Bankruptcy”.
      Mitt’s last sentence from the article: “In a managed bankruptcy, the federal government would propel newly competitive and viable automakers, rather than seal their fate with a bailout check.”

      • Jim Wafwot

        Bomb throwing headlines… typical of ALL media, but SOP for the left/MSM media.

      • Armando

        He didn’t clarify with the times back then about the title, however the bailout check propelled them to be competitive and viable.

        • Zane Henry

          Viable? They’re hanging by a thread. You should read things other than talking points, seriously.

          • Guest

            And, buying a vehicle from GM is like buying back property that was previously stolen from you!

          • Zane Henry

            Absolutely. I grew up on the Chevy side of the old GM v Ford rivalry. GM couldn’t PAY me enough to take one of their crap-tastic vehicles, now. Aside from all that, the UAW at GM agreed to a no strike clause during the bailout, and I believe the same with Chrysler. Ford UAW has no such clause, so more “advantage” to GM. Not that it’s doing them a bit of good. Government should NEVER pick winners and losers.

          • TundraThunder

            Surprisingly, the Obama administration (thugs) didn’t force Ford to take our money.

        • Garth Haycock

          He didn’t clarify with the NY Times about the title? I had no idea that the headline was the responsibility of the subject of an article or column. Thanks for enlightening us!

        • Garth Haycock

          He didn’t clarify with the NY Times about the title? I had no idea that the headline was the responsibility of the subject of an article or column. Thanks for enlightening us!

        • J. Cox

          Heres a fact..GM has lost almost 6% more market share this year alone.They lose money with each sale,and are on track to go through Bankruptcy again within 10 years.GM share prices need to reach 53 per to break even…they are at 21ish..not likely to happen.Sure,you could call that viable…and I can call the Sun a giant snowball.Neither is true.

      • Love of Country

        Exactly …. read Mitt’s comments in the article, not the headline written by some liberal douchebag with an axe to grind.

    • 1CatEye

      Duh. The NYT wrote the headline, genius.

  • AttackOfTheKillerTomatos

    Why do I get the feeling that after the election, there’s going to be a major hike in business for therapists?

  • http://www.facebook.com/jd.crow.79 Jd Crow

    Northern Ohio Auto Retailers report 7 out of 10 New Car Top 4 Brand sales Not Bailout Brands #ObamaFailedRomneyLie http://akronnewsnow.com/news/local/item/43628-ne-ohio-june-auto-sales-register-slight-increase

    • Georgia Nieto

      We bought a Ford for this exact reason…

    • redheadgrl

      Right you are….

  • http://twitter.com/DaffodilTimes The Daffodil Times

    Barack was right. Romney wants the auto industry to die

    • Zane Henry

      Have another tall glass of Kool-Aid and run along.

    • Love of Country

      Clearly you have the IQ and political accumen several points below that of your average eggplant … unbelievable.

    • Michelle

      That’s not at all what Romney said or has ever said. And you miss the point entirely. Last night Obama tried to paint Romney as a liar and said that Romney NEVER conveyed this statement, and yet here it is, straight from the NYTimes in 2008, “The federal government should provide guarantees for post-bankruptcy financing and assure car buyers that their warranties are not at risk.” That statement right there is what Obama told folks last night that Romney never said. Argue opinions to your heart’s content, but only a total fool argues with solid facts and evidence.

    • dwsmokin

      Seriously? You really believe that? Incredible.

    • http://www.facebook.com/s.jones.35110 Sharon Jones

      omg another o’dummy on the loose…can we round these folks up for deprogramming or is it too late!!!??/

  • salvagesalvage

    To be fair Mittens has had so many positions on so many subjects it’s hard for anyone to keep track, he can’t even do it!

    It’s cute the way wingnuts noticed that during the primaries but seem to have forgotten, oh yeah Romneisa is contagious.

    • Love of Country

      And yet your projection is insidious and incurable.

      • salvagesalvage

        Ha! Ha! Yes! I am projecting because it’s really me that changed my positions on stuff like abortion and socialized health care! You are very smart Love of Country!

        • Love of Country

          Flattery will get you nowhere, lol ….

          Soooo …. did you and Dinglebarry change your minds on gay marriage, GITMO, NAFTA, warrantless wire taps, black sites, rendition, drones, bringing the country together, cutting the debt in half, 5% unemployment, finance reform, public financing, Keystone XL, immigration reform, nuclear power, Jerusalem, raising the debt ceiling, cost of Owebamaocare, FISA, Patriot Act, photos of detainee abuse, Bush tax cuts, military tribunals, minimum wage, public posting of bills before passage, PAYGO, earmarks, spending freeze, lobbyists, etc, etc?

          • Michelle

            Love of Country – you left out ending war in Iraq. Obama’s campaign promise was to end it as the “first thing” he’d do as President and that we could take that promise “to the bank” Guess he flip-floppy changed his mind on that too. Ending the war wasn’t the first thing he did as President, not even the second or third thing. In fact, all he did was follow the timeline established by (wait for it….) Bush. The 12/31/11 end date was already in place, per the US-Iraqi Status of Forces Agreement signed by (wait for it…) Bush when Obama took office. In reality, Obama took no part of ending the war in Iraq – he followed Bush’s agreement and then claimed credit for ending the war. Anyone who credit’s Obama for ending the war in Iraq is ignorant beyond words.

          • bdunham

            At least Obama didn’t lie conjure a war with misleading info., wait long enough if he is losing we will be in Iran pretty quick.

          • salvagesalvage

            There are actually some valid points in there! Congrats wingnut, you succeeded in making an argument that isn’t wingnutty.

            Gay marriage he “evolved” to so I think that fair enough.

            GITMO is a crime and travesty, Obama clearly lied about that.

            NAFTA? Not sure what he said, don’t really care.

            What’s really cute tho and what brings us back to you being a wingnut is the most of that stuff? You cheered for when Bush was doing it yet you scorn Obama for continuing?

            Proves my point that no matter what Obama does you’ll hate him.

            And before you say it, no I’m not a fan of Obama for some of the reasons you listed so no, I am consistent in my views.

            Oh and all of that doesn’t change the fact that Mittens is an awful candidate and would be an even worse President.

          • Lone Wolf Trading

            O yeah a landslide is coming———-> Romney/Ryan Our next Leaders of the greatest country in the world! I can see it now–day after the election, You Left wing DOUCHE bags will be rioting in the streets and saying how there is voter fraud>>>>> O yeah it will happen, Probably will start with MSNBC and the Faggot lover Chris Mathews..I wonder if that chill is running up his leg>>hmm! And you know its not going good for you left wing loons when all you can do is attack and look like abunch of Preschool kids fussing over who had that toy last! LMFAO

          • salvagesalvage

            There are actually some valid points in there! Congrats wingnut, you succeeded in making an argument that isn’t wingnutty.

            Gay marriage he “evolved” to so I think that fair enough.

            GITMO is a crime and travesty, Obama clearly lied about that.

            NAFTA? Not sure what he said, don’t really care.

            What’s really cute tho and what brings us back to you being a wingnut is the most of that stuff? You cheered for when Bush was doing it yet you scorn Obama for continuing?

            Proves my point that no matter what Obama does you’ll hate him.

            And before you say it, no I’m not a fan of Obama for some of the reasons you listed so no, I am consistent in my views.

            Oh and all of that doesn’t change the fact that Mittens is an awful candidate and would be an even worse President.

        • dwsmokin

          Oh, you mean like Obama being for traditional marriage-until he was against it. Are we having a John Kerry flashback?

          • TKeenan

            The guy puts up an indefensibly moronic post, then tries to turn it back on those who call him out on it with something about Bush + Hate Obama . Typical left wing fallback: pull the hate/race card.

          • salvagesalvage

            He’s not against traditional marriage, he’s for equal rights, big difference. Oh and he’s never been against gays, Romney was for abortion and now he’s against it not because that’s how he feels but because he knows he has to be.

            Oh and if you look at the polls Obama’s change is a reflection of how America has changed it’s attitude towards gays. Not you of course, wingnuts gotta hate but the rest.

    • Garth Haycock

      So, you’re admitting that Obama is a baldfaced liar? That’s a step in the right direction!

      • salvagesalvage

        He clearly told some lies or at the very least failed to keep promises he made, he’s a politician it’s what they do.

        But Romney isn’t very clever about it. Obama at least has skills.

        I’m not sure if you can find Obama being as obviously cynical as Romney is with abortion. The continuation of the drones thing is his biggest sin and yet wingnuts who love that sort of thing don’t even say thanks.

        Oh well, if Mittens wins I’m sure he’ll keep it up and then you can chant “USA! USA! USA!” with every wedding struck.

        • J.N. Ashby

          Yeah, totally. I was fooled by Obama’s lies…oh no wait. I’m not a moron.

          • salvagesalvage

            No, I’m pretty sure you are.

          • J.N. Ashby

            And you base that on what?

          • salvagesalvage

            Stuff you say, like “Yeah, totally. I was fooled by Obama’s lies…oh no wait. I’m not a moron.”

          • J.N. Ashby

            Not being fooled would rather suggest that I’m not a moron, would it not?

          • salvagesalvage

            It would but I suspect you in fact are quite easy to fool, wingnuts are like that and the GOP thrives as a result. So without third party verification I’m going to go with my gut and continue to consider you a moron.

          • J.N. Ashby

            Oh, well aren’t you just a silly goose for assuming my contempt for Obama makes me a Republican. Seems to me like your suspicions are unfounded. But, may I ask, if you posit that the GOP thrives on “wingnuts” on what, then, does the Democrat Party thrive?

          • salvagesalvage

            You’re one of those independents who always vote Republican?

            >what, then, does the Democrat Party thrive?

            That’s a good question, incompetence mostly.

            The problem is that the Democrats are far more likely to turn on each other than the GOP or at the very least drop out of lock-step. Uncertainty can often be the burden of the intelligent; they can see more options and can do the cause and effect calculus to greater lengths.

            Wingnuts aren’t so hampered, short attention spans coupled with tunnel vision keeps them straight and narrow.

            For an excellent example of this Google “Free bridge from Canada Michigan” and how a very rich man is using wingnuts to keep on making money at the expense of others.

          • J.N. Ashby

            Nope, Libertarian.

            How can you declare them to be so intelligent while, at the same time, say they’re incompetent, and while a vast amount of their constituency are imbeciles (Detroit for example)? I’m not saying every Republican is a genius. Hell, I’m not saying a third of them are even intelligent, but to insist that the Democrats, on average or absolutely, are more intelligent than the Republicans is completely absurd.

          • salvagesalvage

            Libertarian? Do you live off the grid? How are you on a computer? Let me guess, Ayn Rand fan? Muttering about the parasites and moochers?

            No, you’re a wingnut who thinks by saying they’re a Libertarian they’re libertarian. Real libertarians don’t argue politics on wingnut websites, they’re the rarest of people because they generally don’t talk about politics, they just live as they please ignoring the world.

            It’s a great philosophy and there are real ones who truly practice it but buddy it ain’t you.

            I have no idea about republicans who aren’t wingnuts and how smart or stupid they are but the ones who are wingnuts are generally stupid.

            If they weren’t they wouldn’t be, well, y’know.

          • J.N. Ashby

            On what planet does “Libertarian” necessitate “hermit,” or “anti-technology?” I actually don’t give a lump of crap about Ayn Rand. I started reading one of her books and got bored. And what makes you the authority on Libertarians in the first place? Are you familiar with my track record here? It ain’t all sunshine and everyone agreeing with me there, buttercup. The fact that I share a mutual absolute contempt for Socialists with a good number of people on here appeals to my interests. That and I like exercising my sarcasm. That’s pretty much it.

            But based on how mind-numbingly smug you’re being, should I assume you’re a Democrat? I mean, you’re giving off that vibe, and I’m rather sick of defending myself to a smug butt hole.

          • salvagesalvage

            On what planet does “Libertarian” necessitate “hermit,” or “anti-technology?”

            The one that says they’re independent, don’t want to pay for taxes on anything they don’t use. I admit it’s a confused philosophy and all the practitioners always seem to talk more than do about it.

            Bit like theism really.

            >I started reading one of her books and got bored

            I can appreciate that but I’m sure you’ve picked up the broad-strokes.

            >And what makes you the authority on Libertarians in the first place?

            Authority? No, I’ve just listened to enough of them to get the lay of the land that they’ll shoot me for walking on.

            > The fact that I share a mutual absolute contempt for Socialists

            Which Obama is, correct?

            >But based on how mind-numbingly smug you’re being, should I assume you’re a Democrat?

            I have never voted for a Democrat in my life.

        • 1CatEye

          Sooo, you are saying re-elect Zero because he’s a better liar?
          Come. On.

          • salvagesalvage

            No, because he’s smarter and more skilled, I made that pretty clear but wingnuts and reading comprehension! Oil and water.

          • 1CatEye

            Lets see.  You think a guy is smart because:  There are 57 states; he thinks Austrian is a language; he pronounces corpsman “corpseman”; thinks we don’t use horses or bayonets anymore; sees dead people at Memorial Day celebrations; thinks government creates jobs . . . well, I could go on all day, but I’m a busy person.

            Skills?  You mean like negotiating?  Improving the economy?  Meeting with foreign leaders without bowing?  Man never held a real job in his life.  The few he did he kept the seat warm and voted “present”.  The only thing he’s skilled at is lying and blaming others for his screw-ups.

            He’s no smarter than subZero, the gafftastic one.  And both are corrupt as hell.

          • salvagesalvage

            Ah, I love this bit of wingnuttery, for eight years you had Bush being a complete moron so now it’s payback!

            57 states was clearly a slip of the tongue, hardly an indicator of intelligence, never heard of the Austrian thing, mispronounced a word?!?! OH NOES! How did he ever graduate? He said fewer horses and bayonet so not sure what you’re babbling about there or with the dead people and governments do create jobs, guess your history book is missing the last 100 years or so.

            And can you find a case of Obama starting a war over WMD that never were and getting hundreds of thousands of people killed?

            Yes, he’s negoatiated a few free trade deals, the economy has improved and the bowing!!! HAHAHAHA! SO. STUPID. See this is what makes you wingnut, you see bowing and think what? That Obama has given America to the Arabs? Can you show any sort of policy of action that supports such a thing? Could the bowing have been, y’know, polite and in protocol? NOOOOO! HE MUSLIM! HE HATE AMERICA!!! GAAARRRR!!

            Never held a real job, except President and he’s doing a better job than the last guy, that much is clear.

            I thought Biden was the gaffe guy? You should watch more Fox, you’re losing focus on their talking points.

          • 1CatEye

            I see.  When Bush does it, it’s because he’s a moron.  When Zero does it, he “misspeaks”.  Glad you have your crystal ball handy.  If you’ve never heard about the “speaking Austrian” gaffe, it’s because you’re not listening or you choose to ignore the stupidity.  I would venture a guess it’s the latter.

            Are you dims ever going to get tired of bringing up WMDs?  What if we find them in Syria?  Or worse yet, have them used on our soldiers in the next “video” terrorist attack (that we can’t call a terrorist attack, except when we lie and say we said it all along).

            And no, Virginia, government doesn’t create jobs.  They take money in taxes and spread the wealth to their cronies and friends.  Just jow many jobs did the “government” create when it gave Solyndra all that money?  None.  They are bankrupt.  They would have been bankrupt sooner, but they got Zero and his buddies at DOE to give them more money when they were are already in trouble.  But so what, it’s only taxpayer money.  Go ahead and burn it.  At least Solyndra got to restructure it’s loan so the executive (Zero donors all) got their money ahead of the taxpapers.  Not to mention the nice, juicy bonuses they got for the running the whole thing into the ground.

            Business create jobs.  If you’d ever had one, you’d know that.  The economy is improving?  Where?  Point to one sector that is doing better now than 4 years ago.

            You are not only ignorant, you’re stupid as well.  Can’t fix that.

          • salvagesalvage

            >When Bush does it, it’s because he’s a moron.

            Well see the difference there is frequency. Bush could not go a month without saying something stupid, from “there ought to be limits to freedom” before his election to “”Major combat operations in Iraq have ended. In the battle of Iraq, the United States and our allies have prevailed.” to “You work three jobs? … Uniquely American, isn’t it? I mean, that is fantastic that you’re doing that” said to a stunned single mother of three in Omaha he stupidity is breathtaking in it width and depth.

            And Obama once said 57.

            No comparison really, Bush is genuinely thick and Obama is clearly quite intelligent.

            >Glad you have your crystal ball handy.

            No, it’s all quite observable in real time but you are wingnut and wingnuts never ever admit any sort of fault.

            > If you’ve never heard about the “speaking Austrian” gaffe, it’s because you’re not listening or you choose to ignore the stupidity.

            No, it’s just that like 57, corpsman and whatever else it’s probably so picayune that only wingnuts heard it / remembered it.

            See when I complain about Obama it’s stuff like he’s blowing up innocent people with drones or the American economy should be doing better and while GOP obstruction is certainly a mitigating factor it’s no excuse, it’s still his job.

            The fact that his thought one word was pronounced another or his mispoke? Doesn’t really register as important in the real world.

            >Are you dims ever going to get tired of bringing up WMDs?

            HAHAHA! YES! I am dim because I think that starting a war and getting countless thousands killed is a bad thing that needs to be understood so it doesn’t happen again.

            Wingnuts! I guess this is as close as they can get to saying they made a mistake; can’t everyone just forget about it like it never happened?!?

            >What if we find them in Syria?

            Oh wingnuts will you ever get tired of those silly excuses that make no sense? Here’s the problems with that scenario:

            1) So Saddam was such a WMD threat at the exact moment when he needed them the most he sent all his WMD away! Makes perfect sense because clearly he was going to defeat the advancing army so afterwards he have Syria send them back, to use, against Americans, that he just beat.

            WINGNUT DO YOU SEE THE PROBLEM?

            2) Let’s say that he did, so the WMD that the Bushies insisted were not only real but they knew where they were were not under observation? That Saddam was able to mobilize all the labs and WMD into a convoy that just strolled into Syria? That the US does not have satalites and the ability to blow anything up from the air she feels like?

            3) So that also means that Bush let the WMD get away into the wind, that’s safer is it?

            WINGNUT DO YOU SEE THE PROBLEM? Even in your own crazy scenarios Bush is still a screw up. The wingnut loop!

            >Or worse yet, have them used on our soldiers in the next “video” terrorist attack (that we can’t call a terrorist attack, except when we lie and say we said it all along).

            I’ll see if you can figure out the lack of logic there, I’m not optimistic.
            >And no, Virginia, government doesn’t create jobs.

            Once again Silly Person, please read your history book from 1919 to 1945 at least.

            >They take money in taxes and spread the wealth to their cronies and friends.

            Yes, that’s it’s exactly, you are brilliant.

            >Just jow many jobs did the “government” create when it gave Solyndra all that money? None.

            Yes, because that’s the only company they ever invested in and it’s so weird that a new company would go under! THAT NEVER HAPPENS EVER!!!

            See this is another wingnut thing, there is no story, they gave out lots of money, some of it went sour most of it made jobs of course you don’t want to talk about that.

            >Business create jobs.

            Yes but if they’re not in the right environment there are no businesses. Go to Somalia, they have no government, guess how much industry there is outside the pirate sector?

            >The economy is improving? Where? Point to one sector that is doing better now than 4 years ago.

            Okay, you’re going to have to do some reading and thinking here:

            http://www.economist.com/node/21561909

            Try not to hurt yourself.

          • 1CatEye

            You can defend Zero all you want.  He is monumentally stupid, kind of like his followers.  If he’s so brilliant, why are his school transcripts sealed?  Why did he never publish from his cushy position at HLR?

            But, keep drinking the Kool-aid.  The rest of us will deal with reality and hope that when the elections are over, you’ll get back on your meds or decide to get a life instead of mooching off the rest of us.

            Bye for now.

          • salvagesalvage

            If he’s so brilliant, why are his school transcripts sealed?

            Because he was born in Kenya duh. And he failed every course but the teachers were all like “No, no, you are Black I cannot fail you otherwise hippies will sue me for being a racist.” and his transcripts clearly show all the Fs.

            Oh and he was a gay cocaine dealer for most of his school years plotting with the Black Weather Panther Men to blow up America with Saddam’s WMD. Oh you didn’t know Saddam had Time Travel power? That liberal media covering for him again!

            >Why did he never publish from his cushy position at HLR?

            Do you know how much time being a gay cocaine dealer takes? He was also plotting with Bill Ayers to and Reverend Wright and Osama bin Laden (time machine!) to blow up America.

            >instead of mooching off the rest of us.

            Ha! Ha! No, I probably don’t mooch off of you but it’s always nice when wingnuts babble Randian.

          • 1CatEye

            You can defend Zero all you want.  He is monumentally stupid, kind of like his followers.  If he’s so brilliant, why are his school transcripts sealed?  Why did he never publish from his cushy position at HLR?

            But, keep drinking the Kool-aid.  The rest of us will deal with reality and hope that when the elections are over, you’ll get back on your meds or decide to get a life instead of mooching off the rest of us.

            Bye for now.

        • Garth Haycock

          You seem proud that Obama is a better liar than Romney. You also confirm that the only thing that liberals care about is the slaughter of the innocent unborn. Yet you call us wingnuts.

          • salvagesalvage

            I call you wingnuts because of statements like this, once again you pick and choose the bits that suite you and ignore the rest.

            See, what’s funny here is ” slaughter of the innocent unborn” gives you the vapours yet the slaughter of Muslims via a drone at a wedding party doesn’t bother you in the slightest. Of course they are Muslims, they can’t be innocent!

            Pro-life is what you are not.

            And I’m not proud of Obama he’s just a better candidate than Romney.

          • Garth Haycock

            Please point to where I mentioned Muslims. I didn’t, but as liberals are wont to do, you assumed that you know what I’m thinking.

            Try again, fool.

          • salvagesalvage

            Well you are a wingnut so it’s usually pretty easy to guess.

            You get angry about a woman aborting her fetus but cheer the bombing of Muslims, tell me I’m wrong.

          • Garth Haycock

            The burden of proof is on you, but I’ll give you a hint: your opinion is neither fact nor proof.

      • salvagesalvage

        He clearly told some lies or at the very least failed to keep promises he made, he’s a politician it’s what they do.

        But Romney isn’t very clever about it. Obama at least has skills.

        I’m not sure if you can find Obama being as obviously cynical as Romney is with abortion. The continuation of the drones thing is his biggest sin and yet wingnuts who love that sort of thing don’t even say thanks.

        Oh well, if Mittens wins I’m sure he’ll keep it up and then you can chant “USA! USA! USA!” with every wedding struck.

    • Garth Haycock

      So, you’re admitting that Obama is a baldfaced liar? That’s a step in the right direction!

    • http://twitter.com/AUBraves AUBraves

      Although you read that Romney changes his mind, in reality, it’s Obama changing his mind to agree with Romney:
      1. Sequestration: Romney said he was against it. Although Obama signed the bill into law, he turned and agreed with Romney and said that it would never happen.
      2. Joint forces: Although Obama had Panetta leading the effort he changed his mind last night and said he never said he wanted it.
      3. Romney said Benghazi was a terrorist attack. Obama came around finally and agreed with Romney. Took a while, though.
      4. Romney always believed Israel was an important ally with the US. Obama finally came around and agrees.
      5. Romney has a great plan on Pakistan. Obama had no plan on Pakistan nor ever mentioned them. Last night he turned and agreed with Romney.
      6. Romney thinks that it will take both parties to fix this country. Obama finally agreed but has no idea how to accomplish it.
      I don’t have the interest nor the time to school you anymore. Take some time and read the truth for yourself.

      • TKeenan

        On point 4, It was probably exceedingly difficult to come out and say that. Obama does not support Israel and is probably being threatened with Fatwa’s from his MB handlers. Not fooled by the moving lips there

    • Sharon Schlind

      And Obama’s lies mean nothing….time and time again our President has LIED…been fact checked… proven wrong, and still goes out and repeats the same lies (as in Ohio today)…What scares me is that people who don’t find out the truth or just want their handout to continue…can vote and hold the future of this ONCE great country in their hands…That’s what scares me the most!

    • dwsmokin

      Wow, good thing the President never changed his position on closing Gitmo, or trying terrorists in civil court, or….oh, never mind.

      • salvagesalvage

        Yeah, I’ve already pointed those out as being legitimate points.

    • http://www.facebook.com/s.jones.35110 Sharon Jones

      hmmmmm…..says who…blowbama???!!!!!! smokin right up your A33!!!! just like you like it…bend on over!!!

  • Mark Stephens

    Is it possible for those on the left to possibly read past the headline and see what Romney actually said? Of course, when you are a liberal you don’t have to worry about the title that the NYT puts on your op-ed.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_2LHLQMLKXOSZT5D2HXKT4KM6PA gebby

      suddenly we are learning what Romney said. The fact is there was no private capital ready to support the idea of a bankruptcy . the auto industry would of had to liquidate and lay off a lot of people. And all the auto suppliers would be hurt also.

      • http://www.facebook.com/s.jones.35110 Sharon Jones

        ok dummy…go read the article for yourself….how stupid to believe everything you hear ……… Fooooool!!!!! kool aid, free from the white house, did you get your free phone?????

        • bdunham

          but yet you are believing what your reading

      • Mark Stephens

        I’m not positive that reading the contents of an op-ed from four years ago qualifies as “suddenly.”

        If GM and Chrysler had to go through a normal bankruptcy, both companies could have continued to operate while their debt and liabilities wers dealt with by a judge and not by the government. That way, investors might have gotten a fair shake rather than giving everything to the UAW. That is the law.

        • redheadgrl

          And no one wants to look at how Ford managed to come out, with strong growth plans, while those that took the gov’t money are still floundering.

      • Thomas Wezwick

        Thats Right………..So Romney’s version would not have worked……..We were on the verge of economic collapse ……..Why didn’t Romney put up some of his capitol ??????Why , because he and guys like him would not risk it. Obama had the courage and wisdom to see not only the automobile industry , but all the jobs supported by this industry…..needed to stay afloat……..so the United Stated Government ….lent the money to the auto industry, because they could, and they (we) had to… Obama was truthful…..Romney was wrong!!!!

      • redheadgrl

        But that’s what happened at GM anyway. Layoffs, plant shut downs, dealer locations closed, supplier plants closed. Why don’t you take a look at Ford, who didn’t take the gov’t bailout, and see how they are doing much better at this point than GM. GM just dug it’s hole deeper by taking the gov’t money.

  • Danny Wheeler

    Doctors, check O–I think his tongue has become forked.

    • http://www.facebook.com/s.jones.35110 Sharon Jones

      he was born that way

      • Thomas Wezwick

        Racist!!!

  • Dandy1

    Still using the auto bailout lie on the campaign trail today. I would say that takes a lot of brass.

    • mhojai

      It’s an insulting conviction that people are too stupid to recognize your smarmy lies.

  • Michelle

    I was all over this last night on Facebook. Romney said he suggested government guarantees post-bankruptcy and Obama said Romney was trying to “airbrush history” and that Romney NEVER suggested government assistance even after bankruptcy. Then several times Obama spoke over Romney, saying “look it up” “look it up” So, I looked it up and found the 2008 NYTimes article, written by Romney in which he writes, “The federal government should provide guarantees for post-bankruptcy financing and assure car buyers that their warranties are not at risk.” Obama is a proven liar.

  • Discontentwliars

    Obama believes his own campain lies. Do you suppose he really trusts those that work for him to tell him the truth? Is it so hard to believe that he’s that nieve, since we’ve been told he’s so smart, and is proven that he’s wrong time and time again. Some people may just have it right that “he’s over his head”, and just can’t do it.

  • Owen007

    Speaking of facts about the auto-bailout, how is GM doing? As well as Ford and the other companies that didn’t accept the bailout? I don’t think so.

  • Owen007

    Speaking of facts about the auto-bailout, how is GM doing? As well as Ford and the other companies that didn’t accept the bailout? I don’t think so.

  • Felicia

    Lets just say President Obama did lie! Thats his one lie to Mitt’s tousand lies! #Upeople,uuuuupeople!

    • http://twitter.com/NavyDiver912 Michael Taylor

      How many is a “tousand?”

    • J. Cox

      I am sure you have proof and facts though…ooops..I mean tough?

    • Sharon Schlind

      Just give us a few…just a few of the “tousand”…be sure to fact ck first! Obama can’t keep his under control!

    • 1CatEye

      Name one. Just one.

    • Georgia Nieto

      It would appear that Romney is a BIG FAT LIAR if the first time you heard him speak in paragraphs, not sound-bites, was during the last 3 debates. But to me and millions of others, who don’t trust the coverage of the “main-stream media” Romney said nothing new.

    • http://www.facebook.com/s.jones.35110 Sharon Jones

      one lie…..omg…I have one word for you….Benghazt…pack your bags, we can send you right over…betcha figure out whose lying real fast!

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001089168862 Melba Bendiola-Farro Schwingha

    Tired of obama’s lies, stares, and insults to Mitt Romney last night. But Mitt held on to his nice and good “breeding” &well rounded person. Just shows his fitted to be a president

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001089168862 Melba Bendiola-Farro Schwingha

    Tired of obama’s lies, stares, and insults to Mitt Romney last night. But Mitt held on to his nice and good “breeding” &well rounded person. Just shows his fitted to be a president

  • marcellucci

    O’Bama…’Never let the truth influence your lie.’

  • marcellucci

    O’Bama…’Never let the truth influence your lie.’

  • nc

    Thinking about why Mitt didn’t hit BHO on Benghazi in Debate 3: Sure we were all disappointed, but so what? We’re fired up to vote for him anyway. Mitt’s smart, he wants to win this, he needs to win this.

    Mitt knew that BHO would be ready for the “Benghazi Attack” so no matter how smart and careful Mitt would have been, there’s no way to know what kind of dirty Chicago thug trick BHO would have used to hit back. It just wasn’t worth the risk. Besides, the “target audience” – the undecided or “low information” voter, isn’t keyed into this stuff anyway and would be lost in the details.

    Mitt’s job was to stay calm and in control, and in the process made BHO look angry, frustrated, petty and small-minded.

    Am I disappointed today? No way!

    • Georgia Nieto

      It worked!

    • Koker

      At first I was disappointed because I wanted to see more mud on big O’s face. Halfway through the debate I realized what Mitt was doing and saw first hand why he deserves our vote. He’s a better man, who makes smart and clear decisions to do what is right for the job! R & R 2012

      • redheadgrl

        Looks like Mr. Romney made the right move by not bringing up Benghazi. After the bombshell in the news today. Maybe Romney’s camp realized that Mr. Obama had already dug his own hole, that the scandal wasn’t going to be brushed under the rug, and that the hole was only going to get bigger.

  • CowboyJustice

    Check the Transcript for the usage of the word terrorism on 9-12-12 Check the record on the Auto-Bailout the facts are in BO-0 MR-2

  • Anny Shaner

    I hope I get out of this election alive. Stressing me out….

  • J.N. Ashby

    Detroit should have gone bankrupt.

    • Sharon Schlind

      Unfortunately, that once great city is no longer…horrible how deserted and unsafe it is. sad that people are warned by the police not to go there as they cannot protect them,…Is this the future of America under another 4 yrs of Obamanomics!

  • GoSellCrazySomeplaceElse

    The ‘false narrative’ is the liberal mantra. Bold decisions=Bold-faced lies. I’m not that well organized to keep track of all their lies.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1333757458 Lisa Rexrode

    That was not a lie, and not only was it true, Romney made 15 million on the deal. Romney owns stockm in Toyota anything the china has to offer since it is a main money source for him. The article is online all you have to do is research. BACK OFF REPUBS

    • J. Cox

      1.Learn to spell
      2.Learn where car companies are from.Toyota is Japanese,not Chinese.
      3.Post proof that Romney made money..in his blind trust…that he has no control where it is invested.
      4.It was a lie..read the article,then maybe ask ohh,say Lee iacocca how well Auto bankruptcies work when the private sector deals with it without gov. takeovers.
      5.telling others to “Back Off” really truly works,keep on that.

    • dwsmokin

      Geez, do you people ever actually look anything up? Or do you just follow the talking point?

    • 1CatEye

      It would be nice if you were coherent enough for anyone to understand that hash of words.

  • vicky

    “IF General Motors, Ford and Chrysler get the bailout that
    their chief executives asked for yesterday, you can kiss the American
    automotive industry goodbye.”

    Mitt Romney November 18, 2008

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_2LHLQMLKXOSZT5D2HXKT4KM6PA gebby

    Liberals are intelligent. They dont take marching orders like the Foxbots.

    • J. Cox

      Thanks for the laugh.

    • TKeenan

      Intelligent maybe, Blind, deaf and without a lick of sense, definitely.

    • http://www.facebook.com/RudeDogI Rudy V. J. Hernandez Jr.

      Are you on Government subsidized crack?!?!?!

  • mkreider

    Barack Obama lied and Americans died. The auto companies should have gone through a structured bankruptcy and then got government help. Our tax dollars paid $100 a share for stock in GM that is now worth $20. a share. Obama knows absolutely nothing about business., Being a community organizer just doesn’t provide enough experience to run a country.

  • http://www.facebook.com/jacquelyn.nunezbauer Jacque Bauer

    BARACK OBAMA SLOGAN ..’FORWARD’…YEA FORWARD RIGHT OFF THE FISCAL CLIFF…VOTE OBAMA OUT…!!!!

  • Paul Andrusko

    Did BO really as has been reported offer to validate Sean Smiths mothers parking at the arrival of his body? “Hey i couldn’t lift a finger to help your son for SEVEN HOURS but hey heres 5 bucks if that helps”.

  • http://www.facebook.com/RudeDogI Rudy V. J. Hernandez Jr.

    I just do not understand how so many people actually believe everything and anything he says. With Google, Bing and other search engines, why can’t people educate themselves just a little.

  • Tre Carpenter

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BOgzJqjlXI Mitt saying Let Detroit go Bankrupt. so who lied again?