The latest cockamamie plot floating around the Internet that the Aurora movie theater shooting and Newtown school massacre were somehow tied to the LIBOR financial scandal. Both far-left and far-right websites are screaming “staged shooting” and asserting that the fathers of the shooters were targeted because they were both set to “testify” before the U.S. Senate about the global bank fraud scandal.

https://twitter.com/_NEWELL_GARY_/status/280714002051502081

https://twitter.com/HERUDUB/status/280701873491697666

If you follow all the links back and forth on Twitter and in the blogosphere, you will run around in a nutty Internet circle and find the same hysterical article claiming that the Robert Holmes, father of James Holmes, and Peter Lanza, father of Adam Lanza, were  knee-deep in the scandal and about to blow the whistle on…something or other.

But there is nothing — NOTHING — to substantiate the sensational claims.

https://twitter.com/atavistian/status/280715923634147329

Just look at the websites spreading the bullcrap. Think, people.

Exactly:

When tragedy strikes, you can always count on three types of cretins to swarm in: media vultures, Westboro hate-mongers, and conspiracy theorists. A pox on all their houses.

  • MissDiane47

    Conspiracy theories run amok …

  • Ian

    Given that I seem to be quoted here (as @atavistian) it might be important to note my follow-up tweet sent in the same minute: “I don’t buy any conspiracy around it but it is the weirdest coincidence I’ve heard in a long time.”

    • $24058718

      Well, I guess when you have zero evidence that there was any connection to begin with, no, it’s not a coincidence at all. The whole point is that there was no scheduled testimony, nothing connecting them. You just believed it because you don’t have the faculties to research what you read before you re-post In other words, you’ve been duped.

      • Ian

        Jamie: I think you’re confusing “don’t have the faculties to research” with “didn’t take it seriously enough to give a damn.”

      • Ian

        Jamie: I think you’re confusing “don’t have the faculties to research” with “didn’t take it seriously enough to give a damn.”

    • BeautifulAmerica

      Those who refuse to accept actual facts like to distract for them by crying “conspiracy theory!” Cognitive dissonance in action.

  • o0Nighthawk0o

    This is just a conspiracy to give conspiracy theories a bad name

    • Eponymous1

      THAT was funny!

  • Mother Nature’s Son

    what about the guy whose kids were stabbed in the tub in NYC

  • http://twitter.com/jinx_mchue Severe Conservative

    It’s more believable that Hillary took a prat fall and is faking a concussion. (Not being hospitalized makes it pretty obvious.)

  • Jack Deth

    The ONE constant in all of these shootings?

    Touchy feely ‘Gun Free Zones’. Where even licensed concealed carriers and off duty police officers are NOT allowed to be armed.

  • Matt Chappel

    “But there is nothing — NOTHING — to substantiate the sensational claims.”

    Except the fact that both of these people had sons involved in a “mass shooting”. Someone is trying to shut them up obviously.

    This is actually a conspiracy theory that makes sense. If you’re going to attack it, at least provide evidence that the fathers aren’t involved as suggested. It doesn’t help your cause to just scream “conspiracy theory” and say people are stupid for suggesting it.

    PROVE your case.

    • cacman93

      Is that why both fathers are still alive?

      DERP.

    • Guest

      Well, I guess when you have zero evidence that there was any connection to begin with, the burden of proof would be on you. the whole point is that there was no scheduled testimony. nothing connecting them. you just believed it because you don’t have the faculties to research what you read before you re-post In other words, you’ve been duped.

    • VestyPantsuit

      Nice that you don’t hold the people claiming a connection to the same standard.

      I assert that both shooters were abducted by space travelers from the future and replaced with Replicants. Now prove me wrong.

    • $24058718

      Well, I guess when you have zero evidence that there was any connection to begin with, the burden of proof would be on you. the whole point is that there was no scheduled testimony. Nothing is connecting them. So why would someone simply stating “this is completely made up, there is no connection” have to prove anything? The proof is the reality of the situation. It’s not “interesting” unless you mean in the way that fiction is interesting.

      You’ve been duped.

      • BeautifulAmerica

        Oh yeah, best start researching LIBOR + Lanza, and LIBOR + Holmes.

        • AMSilver

          Since you’ve done the research, can you provide us with a handy link showing the subpoena, court dates, etc?

        • Robert Merrill

          Well, I DID research LIBOR + Lanza + Holmes and found a whole bunch of right wingnut sites spewing forth the same bs. But then if you look a little closer, you find that the Senate and others have reported that this is all bull merde. And golly gee, even the Examiner took their “news” article down. So STFU, OK? Thanks.

    • http://www.facebook.com/matt.robinson.75 Matt Robinson

      its like the episode of south park about aliens and Thanksgiving. “There is no proof to suggest that aliens werent present at the first thanksgiving, so they must have been there”. thats your logic, Matt. since there is no proof they arent connected, they obviously must be, unless all you sane people can take time out of your workdays to show me the public document that states that they arent.

      • BeautifulAmerica

        Who says they have to be directly connected? Being called to witness in a big bank scam, from opposite sides of the country, and different jobs, that’s a connection, alright. A big one.

  • clarioncaller

    I would be MORE interested in knowing if both of these perpetrators were taking prescribed antidepressants like Prozac which is known to cause extreme reactions like rage and suicide.

    • BeautifulAmerica

      Definitely, violence is linked to Prozac.
      So far, cops say no meds were found.

      But really, you wouldn’t be EQUALLY interested in a connection, any connection at all, between the 2 families? Most media would jump at the chance to connect them, even if it was just a preference for the same color ties.

      Especially with something as bit as the LIBOR hearings, there should be questions. Media and Americans should be demanding answers.

  • Mellow Melon

    ignore the libor scandal, since there’s no connection, but doesn’t anyone find it just a tiny bit weird that four months after a horrific shooting (Aurora) and about three days after a more minor one (Oregon), we have another shooting? In a rural area? In a town voted one of the safest places in America? Primarily targeting little kids, not just teenagers or preteens? Right before Christmas? And then Obama rushes to get his fingers all over it? I’m not saying he engineered it, but doesn’t it seem a little too perfect?

    • BeautifulAmerica

      How do you know there is no connection? What have you read? There definitely IS a connection if the two fathers were to be witnesses.

    • javamon

      You’re an idiot. Think about this for a second… and tell me how the Obama admin, because, seriously that’s what you’re implying, orchestrated these shootings. Please draw up some semi-plausible explanation.

      • Mellow Melon

        I didn’t say the administration orchestrated it. Just saying it seems way too convenient and perfect to assume that it was totally, completely random. Again, think about it: Right before Christmas. Right after another mall shooting. Blue state. Strict gun control laws. Small town once voted safest in the nation. Victims are not just adults, but helpless children, not much more than babies, really. No concrete motive (there are no journals as of yet, no history of other criminal acts, no record of being severely bullied as a child, parents did not appear to be abusive). A story that shifts so much you cannot blame it wholly on chaos (Mom is a teacher. Mom is a sub. Mom is a teacher’s aide. Mom is not associated with school at all. Father is dead. Father is missing. Father is alive. Shooter is Ryan Lanza. Shooter is Adam Lanza. Shooter is 24. Shooter is 20.) And just think: how can you say “We shouldn’t ban guns/make our gun laws stricter than they already are” to someone who says “How could you ever think more gun owners could stop this happening to our babies?” I mean, it’s literally perfect. How can you be a gun rights advocate when nineteen children lie dead in the ground? According to society, you can’t.

        What are the odds that right on the heels of a mass murder at a theater and a more minor one at a mall, a guy in a state with tight control decides to commit a mass killing right before Christmas, and decides to kill not just teenagers, not just adults, but small children? And what are the odds that it would occur not in the suburbs, not in the inner city, but a small town once voted the safest in the nation? Seriously, what are the odds of that happening? If you can refute that, sure, maybe it is just one gigantic coincidence. If not, then are we wrong to have questions?

        • Dan

          I’m sure you’re aware that some of the odds you are asking for are incalculable, like the odds that he would decide to kill children as opposed to teenagers and adults. Anyone can DECIDE to do something that is extremely statistically improbable. For example: It’s extremely unlikely for a domesticated house cat to die by being eaten by an alligator, but I could decide to take the cat to the zoo and throw it into the alligator enclosure and thereby circumvent all the randomness that must be factored into the accurate calculation of the probability of a house cat being eaten by an alligator.

          Interestingly, it is considerably more likely for a person to die in December than any other month except for January and March. A multiple-victim shooting occurs once every 5.9 days in America, so it’s not particularly improbable at all that this shooting occurred 5 months after Aurora and a week after Clackamas. And 60% of school shootings occur in smaller communities, not cities, so we’re not necessarily defying any odds here either. In conclusion, I’d say the odds (if they could every be fully calculated at all) are nowhere near as long as you are imagining them to be.

          • Mellow Melon

            True enough – except the most publicized shootings that took place this year (Oakland, Seattle, Aurora, Oak Creek, Portland) all took place in suburban/urban areas. Two of the most famous mass murders in the U.S. also took place in suburban areas – Columbine and Virginia Tech. Lastly, not even James Holmes – a neuroscience student who clearly had experience with making and using weapons – was able to match the body count of Lanza, who appears to have never used a gun despite his mother’s fanaticism and was considered to be somewhat autistic by his family. How is a 20-year-old kid who’s lived with Mommy his whole life and hasn’t even been to the range going to kill 27 and wound (as of right now) two or three? I mean he’s really that accurate? Holmes killed 12 and injured 58. Even Seung-Hui Cho wounded more than Lanza has thus far. And also, another thing that concerns me is that this guy had zero record of criminal history. Neither did Holmes, but that makes a little more sense for a guy who made it to college; for a kid who already had issues and was thought to have a bad relationship with his mom, not so much.

            And again, think of the location. It wasn’t just a rural area, it was *the safest place to live in America* a couple years ago. It wasn’t a red state, where you expect that kind of thing to happen, it was a blue state with tight control laws. It wasn’t just a middle school or high school, it was an elementary school. It wasn’t just a couple of kids, even 10 kids, it was 20. I mean again, what are the odds of that happening? I’d be less suspicious if more people had been injured, if it had happened in a suburban area, if it had happened in a red state, if he had been known to be good with a gun, if he’d had maybe one shoplifting charge or something like that, if he’d been older, if it had happened after Christmas. Adjust any one of those factors and it becomes less concentrated, less calculated.

            However, it seems to be coming out that the kid hated his mom and tied that somehow to his elementary school days, so that will probably end up erasing most of my suspicion. Still, I don’t think it’s wrong to wait a while before swallowing it hook, line and sinker.

    • Debbie Shumaker

      When something happens that boggles the mind, people seem to blame the Government these days. Blaming Obama for this is like saying George W was responsible for the attack on 9-11-2001. Even I won’t blame Obama for this and I blame him for most everything else during the past four years.

      • http://www.facebook.com/Marcy.Nelson Marcy Laborde Nelson

        There is a conspiracy theory that DOES blame Bush for 9/11. Asinine, but the theory exists. I agree with you about Obama didn’t do this. And I also blame him for just about everything these last 4 years. :) Evil did this. Only way to stop evil is to choke it out or shoot it. Thank God he did it to himself…saved us the trouble.

    • WesMar856

      The blame and responsibility for the Newtown shooting rests on the shoulders of the man that pulled the trigger. The appearance of perfection that you speak of is a result of the libtard policy of “never waste a crises”. The liberals are now shamelessly pushing their libtard agenda using the Newtown shooting to justify their attack on and lack of respect for the Constitution of the United States. There is conspiracy, but it is not so convoluted. It is simply never waste a crises.

  • DrSamHerman

    The Newtown trooferism syndrome. This one might make a good article for the Journal of the American Psychiatric Association.

  • http://www.facebook.com/dbhimself Aaron Catlin Styles

    twitchy stepping up to protect the dictator. cute.. i wondered when you right wingers would show your true colors and toe the line. anyway, i agree there is no proof. there never will be since the left and right are working overtime to crush any thought that this may be a false flag. right twitchy? attacking peoples intelligence, calling them cretins, etc etc. isn’t that what the left does? as a person of 1/2 native descent i will tell you this… be careful when the government tells you they have your best interest in mind, that they will take care of you and you should turn over all your guns. welcome to the reservation dempublicans! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-LA-S64QY3o

    • BeeKaaay

      It is the leftwingwackos who step up to protect the belief that children may be killed because of their age.

      I believe that children should never be killed REGARDLESS OF THEIR AGE.

      Leftwingwackos disagree with me. They rail against the school shootings because the children die in a relatively painless way (the Coroner said the children did not suffer, or they did not suffer long)

      But when it comes to having children ripped limb to limb, with extremely gruesome suffering, leftwingwackos defend that!

      This is because the children did not die in a manner that leftwingwackos approve.

    • BeeKaaay

      It is the leftwingwackos who step up to protect the belief that children may be killed because of their age.

      I believe that children should never be killed REGARDLESS OF THEIR AGE.

      Leftwingwackos disagree with me. They rail against the school shootings because the children die in a relatively painless way (the Coroner said the children did not suffer, or they did not suffer long)

      But when it comes to having children ripped limb to limb, with extremely gruesome suffering, leftwingwackos defend that!

      This is because the children did not die in a manner that leftwingwackos approve.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002109532283 Jillane Kent

      All you left out was zionist, neo-con, and warmonger and your screed would be complete.

  • http://www.facebook.com/dbhimself Aaron Catlin Styles

    twitchy stepping up to protect the dictator. cute.. i wondered when you right wingers would show your true colors and toe the line. anyway, i agree there is no proof. there never will be since the left and right are working overtime to crush any thought that this may be a false flag. right twitchy? attacking peoples intelligence, calling them cretins, etc etc. isn’t that what the left does? as a person of 1/2 native descent i will tell you this… be careful when the government tells you they have your best interest in mind, that they will take care of you and you should turn over all your guns. welcome to the reservation dempublicans! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-LA-S64QY3o

  • Andrea Silver

    This story intimidates witnesses into thinking children will be massacred if they testify—James Holmes and Adam Lanza fit the profile as a “crazy.” The behavior of Lanza and his mother before the attack are consistent with people who know they are being set up.

    • BeautifulAmerica

      Absolutely.
      But why are people afraid to investigate the facts regarding the fathers?

  • Andrea Silver

    This story intimidates witnesses into thinking children will be massacred if they testify—James Holmes and Adam Lanza fit the profile as a “crazy.” The behavior of Lanza and his mother before the attack are consistent with people who know they are being set up.

  • BeeKaaay

    Conspiracy theories are a form of insanity. There is no proof that they’re true, and that’s why conspiracy theories survive.

    • BeautifulAmerica

      A theory is something not yet proven true.

      What would you call it if the facts are correct? Can’t be a conspiracy any more.

      • BeeKaaay

        If the facts are correct, it is government policy which leads to indictments.

    • Netmilsmom

      Conspiracy theories are only insane when one is presented with the facts (such as here) and continue to insist that your theory is correct. There are lots of facts in this case that are strange and do not make sense. I’m not a conspiracy theorist at all, but after the whole Travon thing and the MSM, I’m going to wait until all the facts are in from all sources before coming to conclusions.

  • BeeKaaay

    Conspiracy theories are a form of insanity. There is no proof that they’re true, and that’s why conspiracy theories survive.

  • JustLikeAnimals

    Something that’s not conspiratorial, but certainly ironic:

    Cerberus Institutional Partners, parent of Freedom Group Inc., which manufactures the Bushmaster rifle used in the Newtown shooting, was founded in 1992 by Stephen Feinberg and William Richter, New York-based Cerberus has more than $20 billion under management and shares its name with a mythical three-headed dog which in Greek mythology guards the entrance to the underworld.

    Public records show that Feinberg’s father, Martin Feinberg, is a resident of a retirement facility in Newtown,

    What are the statistical probabilities of that?

    Read, read, read…..

    • BeautifulAmerica

      Cereberus was put on the market today. Owners selling it!

      Hmmm. Wonder why, cuz especially now, it’s got to be profitable.

    • clarioncaller

      And what are the odds that George Soros is a major stockholder?

      • JustLikeAnimals

        and Michael Moore??? hehehe

  • BeautifulAmerica

    Wow. Michelle has a blind spot. Willfully?
    You gotta face the facts, Michelle, and you are usually so good at it. It is fact that the two were to testify at LIBOR hearings. Why is that difficult for you?

  • EastValleyConservative

    I followed a link yesterday on this nonsense, and a video I watched in which this person tries to link these things together is so nonsensical. Even if each of those fathers were set to testify in that scandal—how the heck does it relate to their insane sons shooting and killing people randomly? It doesn’t. At all.

  • EastValleyConservative

    I followed a link yesterday on this nonsense, and a video I watched in which this person tries to link these things together is so nonsensical. Even if each of those fathers were set to testify in that scandal—how the heck does it relate to their insane sons shooting and killing people randomly? It doesn’t. At all.

  • Trooper753

    There were 3 shooters and one was caught in the woods with tv footage. One in a cop car as a kid stated. They vanished into thin air. Same thing with Aurora. And then there is the scene in the Batman movie with Aurora sign and then the burred map that had one clear word on it- SandyHook.