Left-wing partisans and media lapdoggies get really, really touchy when you spoil their pristine Obama narratives. The Obama-as-autoworkers’-savior plot line is well-worn. The White House response to counter-narratives like the shafted Delphi workers is to scream their fables louder.

Tonight, GOP vice presidential nominee Paul Ryan noted that Obama had failed to keep his promise to autoworkers in his hometown of Janesville, Wisc. Wisconsin GOP Gov. Scott Walker also noted the failure. From Ryan’s powerful RNC speech:

President Barack Obama, came to office during an economic crisis, as he has reminded us a time or two.  Those are very tough days.  And any fair measure of his record has to take that into account.  My own state voted for President Obama.  When he talked about change, many people liked the sound of it.

Especially in Janesville where we were about to lose a major factory.  A lot of guys I went to high school with worked at that G.M. plant.  Right there at that plant, candidate Obama said, “I believe that if our government is there to support you, this plant will be here for another 100 years.”

That’s what he said in 2008.  Well, as it turned out, that plant didn’t last another year.  It is locked up and empty to this day.  And that’s how it is in so many towns where the recovery that was promised is no where in sight.  Right now, 23 million men and women are struggling to find work.  23 million people unemployed or underemployed.  Nearly one in six Americans is in poverty.   Millions of young Americans have graduated from college during the Obama presidency, ready to use their gifts and get moving in life.

Half of them can’t find the work they studied for, or any work at all.  So here’s the question, without a change in leadership, why would the next four years be any different from the last four years?

Angry libs stampeded over themselves to call Ryan a liar:

The lapdoggies piled on:

WaPo: Ryan misleads on GM plant closing in hometown

That’s a lie. Read the transcript. Listen to what Ryan said. The neutral Washington Post reporter is the misleader, not Ryan.

Conservatives on Twitter pushed back:

https://twitter.com/residenttroll/status/241027351964680192

So, who “lied” about Janesville? Ryan’s speech accurately described the plant’s history and status. Read it again:

 Right there at that plant, candidate Obama said, “I believe that if our government is there to support you, this plant will be here for another 100 years.”

That’s what he said in 2008.  Well, as it turned out, that plant didn’t last another year.  It is locked up and empty to this day. 

“Locked up and empty” and hanging by a thread. And that’s exactly what the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel described last fall. FACTS:

General Motors Co. has committed to reopen its idled plant in Spring Hill, Tenn., and keep its shuttered assembly plant in Janesville on standby status.

…Since they were shut down in 2009, both the Janesville and Tennessee plants have been on standby status, meaning they were not producing vehicles, but they were not completely shut down.

In other words, everything Paul Ryan said was true: He pointed to Obama’s own lofty promises about the plant being open for the next “100 years” if he were elected and contrasted it with the reality of a shuttered factory locked up and empty to this day. It was Obama who lied to Janesville workers. Ryan told America the truth.

National Review’s Henry Payne explains more fully how candidate Obama vowed to those workers in February 2008 that if he became president, prosperity would be theirs. That promise, like everything else with this administration, was fantastical smoke and mirrors:

“(But) I believe that if our government is there to support you, and give you the assistance you need to re-tool and make this transition, that this (General Motors) plant will be here for another hundred years,” said Barack Obama in February, 2008, promising UAW workers at GM’s giant, troubled plant in Janesville, Wisc., that he would watch over them if elected president. “When I talk about real change that will make a real difference in the lives of working families, it’s not just the poll-tested rhetoric of a political campaign. It’s the cause of my life. And you can be sure that it will be the cause of my presidency from the very first day I take office.”

It was just poll-tested rhetoric.

Before Obama was sworn in, the Janesville plant closed in late 2008, eliminating 6,000 jobs. And by his first day in office, Obama had forgotten the people of Janesville and the big SUVs they used to build. Obama not only didn’t keep his promise to the south Wisconsin town, he pursued an energy policy that rewarded politically connected green investors (see Solyndra and Fisker) while making it harder for Janesville to revive the trucks it once produced.

Janesville would be forgotten like so many Obama political promises but for one fateful turn of history: Janesville is the hometown of Paul Ryan.

…Last week, Ryan reminded America of Obama’s failed promise.

“I remember President Obama visiting it when he was first running, saying he’ll keep that plant open — one more broken promise,” Ryan said. “One of the reasons that plant got shut down is $4 gasoline. You see, this costs jobs. The president’s terrible energy policies are costing us jobs.”

Another reason was $70-an-hour UAW wage-benefit rates compared with Toyota’s $48 hourly wage. Ryan’s speech provides some insight into the conservative policy wonk’s complex political background: a popular, six-term conservative who represents blue and white collars in a politically split Wisconsin district, who lobbied for government help for Janesville, and who voted for Barack Obama’s auto bailout.

But the Janesville closing is more revealing of Obama.

His liberal media allies were quick to pounce on Ryan’s comments. “GM stopped production at its Janesville, Wisconsin production facility in 2008, when George W. Bush was still president,” barked the Daily Kos, filling in Ryan’s obvious blank (true enough, unfriendly-to-Detroit-truck mpg laws are also the legacy of George “We’re Addicted to Oil” Bush).

But the Left misses the point. Under Obamanomics, the government picks winners and losers. Obama promised Janesville would be a winner even as his economic policies guaranteed it would always be a loser. Indeed, Obama’s whole 2008 Janesville speech is a sobering road map for the job-killing policies he has put in place as president.

Were Obama serious about American manufacturing, he would allow energy companies to explore (Gulf drilling moratorium), would facilitate bringing those resources to market (blocking the Keystone pipeline), allow companies to hire employees without massive medical costs (Obamacare), encourage flexible, non-union shops (demonizing Boeing, the UAW bailout), and stop forcing companies to make products consumers don’t want (electric cars, windmills, etc.).

Then Janesville might still have promise.

Narrative debunked, again.

Related:

“Fact checker” Ezra Klein doubles down on Janesville GM auto plant lie

  • http://twitter.com/StroKevin Kevin Alderman

    In that same Janesville ’08 speech Obama also said: ” And the main difference between my (healthcare) plan and Senator Clinton’s plan is that she’d require the government to force you to buy health insurance and she said she’d ‘go after’ your wages if you don’t.”
    Read the entire speech for an astonishing look at Obama’s promises: http://www.cfr.org/us-election-2008/obamas-speech-janesville-wisconsin/p15492

    • Randal Redder

      “It’s also time that we brought down the cost of a college education and put it within reach of every American” – lol some gems in there

      • weRbroke

        Like taking private lending out of the student loan business and putting the RISK squarely on the taxpayers…

        • Just Asking

          I believe student loans have always been backed by the government (RISK squarely on the taxpayer). Why should the banks make a profit on these loans without taking a risk. Just Asking.

          • weRbroke

            Profit? The government wants taxpayers to think they will make a PROFIT off of stupid loans? BAHAHAHAHA
            The sheer amount of ASSETS($47 BILLION for Harvard alone) that are tied up in universities says those places can guarantee their own student loan programs…but then they would have to actually turn out a successful student and not some BS liberal or poli sci junkie.

          • Just Asking

            Banks must have made some kind of profit on student loans or
            they would not have done them, and to make a profit with absolutely no risk doesn’t
            seem right to me, it just seems like more Government hand outs to big banks. Just Saying

          • weRbroke

            There is something like a TRILLION $$$$ in current and delinquent stupid loans out there with literally thousands of college grads coming out with NO hope of getting a job that even relates to their field. Tell me how they will pay their loan back? They won’t. Some woman that used to live in the home I bought owes the government student loan money. I keep getting calls from the US Dept of Education. She never had my phone number and hasn’t lived at this addy for a decade. She was a renter. Better yet, I know her, where she lives, and the fact that she gets WELFARE because she has 4 kids and no man around. The government CAN’T find her on people search, but I can. A simple search online nets results including her CURRENT PHONE…
            The government is a blackhole…tossing money AWAY and it couldn’t FIND the money if it was waved in their face. Her SS# is in the system…because she is on the system…but the system doesn’t TALK to the rest of the SYSTEM.

          • Just Asking

            Yes, the government is a blackhole. But back to the original point, if this woman stopped paying her loan to a private lender, we the tax payers would pay it off and the lender gets all the money due, including interest on the loan, and the government is still lost in its blackhole trying to get the money back. Again, why should the banks make money without risk? I don’t get it.

          • weRbroke

            First off, I don’t believe in 50% of the BS degrees they hand out…it’s a pander to young people to get DEEPLY in debt before they turn 25, only to be OWNED by the government until they pay off the loans. I swear they made up BS degrees just to find a niche for ANYONE. Secondly, Harvard alone has assets listed at about $47 BILLION in their last IRS 990. If the education was that top notch, they could be their own BANK….but they won’t and they did soak up $680 million in government grants.
            I have viewed enough IRS 990 filings for various universities…the taxpayers already foot the bill for GRANTS, and cover those student loans, then FLUKE comes along and says we need to fund BC too?
            GEESH. How many people go to college and come out the other side with a degree that will NOT help them get a good job? How many of them go thru college, get a degree for a job that can only be found in government? How many start college, party their pants off and then quit with no degree in hand, and no job skills?

          • Just Asking

            Why should a bank make a profit on a loan that they are not taking a risk on?

          • weRbroke

            Why is the government in the lending business to begin with? Backing mortgages, business loans and stupid loans…
            All so lenders will loosen the purse strings and put MORE and MORE people deeper into debt and if they should default, WHO praytell is protected from the loss? the lender.
            There was a day when the banks had tight lending requirements, then the Democrats pushed to loosen them…then loosen them some more. In order to maintain their cozy investment relationship with the FINANCE industry and seats in Congress, they agreed to back loans to reduce the risk that the lenders KNEW they were taking by writing loans that would be nearly impossible for the borrower to pay back. Risk being passed on to society, to cover for individual failures.
            Also at issue is all the INTEREST debt created out of thin air everytime someone swipes that credit card or takes out a mortgage. If they don’t pay their balance off every month, they now must take MORE money out of their pockets to pay for the USE of that credit.
            Everything went along fine until people hit their own ceilings and quit paying their payments on time or at all. They were hit with late fees(another DEBT out of thin air) and soon people had a monster in their pocket and no money in their bank acct, and the rest is a common debt problem across the nation.
            higher education, like the healthcare industry, is big business and with the help of Democrats, they enjoy the cozy relationship that is pretty much risk free, as long as the taxpayers are on the hook.
            As a nation, we cannot afford to pick up the tab for every single individual that fails to comprehend their own responsiblity to make the most of their opportunities. We can’t afford to continue down this road…

          • Just Asking

            Thank you for making that so clear. I now understand why private lending should be put back into student loans.

    • weRbroke

      Yeah, Like the little man with a mustache, he was a smoooth talker.

  • Dan Cooper

    Ahem… Janesville is in Wisconsin, not Ohio… otherwise, spot on article. I vividly remember the articles in the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel about the plant staying in operation until 2009 to fulfill the Isuzu contract. Obama lied, Janesville (almost) died. But what do we expect from this joke of a president?

    • Colleen

      obama lied?? lol! not according to his cheerleader josh!! I’m sure there are more on this thread, but I chose to ignore the stupidity that starts with…”obama’s my massiah ”

  • 1Harriet1

    Paul Ryan is absolutely correct. MSNBC and others that disagree are wrong. The Janesville GM plant operated until June, 2009 making Izusu trucks. Obama was giving a speech at the plant in February, 2008 saying something to the effect that he will not see this plant close in 100 years…
    Those are the facts.

    • johnmartin

      those are not the facts:

      • http://twitter.com/Chademann Chad Manning

        What are the facts then?

        • http://profiles.google.com/mudslag Josh W

          “And I believe that if our government is there to support you, and give you the assistance you need to re-tool and make this transition, that this plant will be here for another hundred years. The question is not whether a clean energy economy is in our future, it’s where it will thrive. I want it to thrive right here in the United States of America right here in Wisconsin; and that’s the future I’ll fight for as your president.”

          Nope don’t see a promise being made there.

          • AMERICAN Kafir™(KAdams)

            I do. ” that this plant WILL be here for another hundred years”. They expected assistance, as so many dealerships did, when the stimulus was passed. How many showrooms DID close under Obama in 2009 and beyond? How many dealerships had to shut down?

            If it wasn’t a promise, then maybe he should have worded it differently. Despite it being slated to close, Obama said “that this plant will be here for another hundred years”. Because he believed in government intervention. Government very obviously didn’t intervene in the Janesville plant.

          • John Grim

            I guess, no matter how many times the full quote is displayed, you simply do not understand the meaning of the simple word ‘if’….furthermore, you can’t argue that government assistance is a failed policy, then scream bloody murder when government fails to offer the assistance you just demonized.

          • AMERICAN Kafir™(KAdams)

            I understand it perfectly, John Grim. Those auto-workers that got canned obviously didn’t. I could apply for EBT, or some other gov’t assistance, my income is that low. I refuse, because it’s inviting gov’t into my life where I don’t want them. I will not scream ‘bloody murder’ as you put it, when gov’t fails to assist me. Thanks, though.

          • http://profiles.google.com/mudslag Josh W

            Instead of leaving out the other half of that quote trying adding in the rest.

          • AMERICAN Kafir™(KAdams)

            I have read the entire quote. Since you’ve been so kind as to repeat it for us over and over again, I didn’t see the need for more redundancy. However, regardless of the ‘words’, the focus is on the perception of those workers that were inspired by a presidential candidate who IMPLIED their plant would stay open.

            There are 2 kinds of guarantees: Express(written) and implied(spoken). Both are binding. Business 101.
            Obama may have said “I believe” and “IF”, but those poor workers heard “This plant will stay open ….”

          • weRbroke

            Oh, but there is…put yourself in those workers shoes.

          • Barry Ogden

            Obama implied that his government would provide support to retool the plant, keeping it viable and operating for another hundred years. He hem “promised” to fight for that envisioned future as your president. Semantics can twist, but the reasonable listener would hear a candidate promising support to keep the plant open, despite GM’ opinion at the time that the plant was head for slowdown, if not complete closure.

        • tommyboy14

          – GM started processes in 2008 of cycling plant down by 2010.
          – Obama never promised he’s keep the plant open. Read his speech.
          – Plant did close permanently, as planned, in 2010.
          – Those choices were made during Bush.

          • Guest

            So Bush ran GM and made that choice?

          • Commie Dearest

            God are you dumb.

          • peacenow

            So Obama is expected to run GM? Republicans wanted no part of the auto bailout and now they’re crowing about how there wasn’t enough of a bailout to save this plant. Let me ask republicans this, who makes the decision to outsource manufacturing jobs? Is it the hourly workers in the auto unions or the boardroom executives at the corporate headquarters? And who was it that fought to remove unions’ bargain rights in Wisconsin, the same state as this auto plant? It was the WI governor, a republican. What a bunch of GOP hypocrites. Do republicans even know what hypocrisy is, or am I speaking over your heads?

          • weRbroke

            I bet you never thought they would hang the UGLY of that bailout on your empty suit and his pandering campaign “promises”.

          • http://www.facebook.com/caperdigao Christopher Perdigao

            No, and neither did Obama. I think it’s funny that in the same speech that Ryan criticizes BIG GOVERNMENT he blames the President for not dictating that GM, a private company that was on the verge of bankruptcy, keep a plant open. The amount of public money that was dedicated to rescuing General Motors and Chrysler was staggering. I think Obama did his level best to give a private company like GM a chance. In the final analysis it didn’t make monetary sense to keep the plant open. Closing one plant to save the overall company is one of those tough choices that Paul Ryan says he and Mitt are prepared to make in reshaping government. It’s easy to say in a campaign speech but much harder to do.

          • weRbroke

            except, things didn’t really change for the company…its bleeding money like a stuck hog

          • AMERICAN Kafir™(KAdams)

            Thanks Volt.

          • weRbroke

            Simply SHOCKING results weren’t they?

          • AMERICAN Kafir™(KAdams)

            Thanks Volt.

          • AMERICAN Kafir™(KAdams)

            He sure did his level best with Solyndra, now didn’t he.

          • AMERICAN Kafir™(KAdams)

            He sure did his level best with Solyndra, now didn’t he.

          • Truckerjay

            Not the government bailing them out is not what Paul Ryan meant. It’s the policies that need changing that are bad for business. So instead of changing policies to keep current american factories open lets take money from me and everyone else and give it to solar and wind companies that only take the money and run.

          • weRbroke

            Oblamo spoke of assistance to re-tool. Just exactly did he mean?

    • http://profiles.google.com/mudslag Josh W

      This is the exact quote…make note there is no promise in this quote.

      “I believe that if our government is there to support you and give you
      the assistance you need to re-tool and make this transition, that this
      plant will be here for another 100 years.”

      • AMERICAN Kafir™(KAdams)

        But there is, despite the soaring rhetoric: “that this plant WILL be here for another hundred years”. They
        expected assistance, as so many dealerships did, when the stimulus was
        passed. How many showrooms DID close under Obama in 2009 and beyond?
        How many dealerships had to shut down?

        If it wasn’t a promise, then maybe he should have worded it
        differently. Despite it being slated to close, Obama said “that this
        plant will be here for another hundred years”. Because he believed in
        government intervention. Government very obviously didn’t intervene in
        the Janesville plant

        • weRbroke

          Dealerships owned by prominent republican supporters found that they were on the list to be cut. Many were successful businesses with not financial issues, yet they felt the AXE dropped by putting Government into the G of GM.

        • weRbroke

          Dealerships owned by prominent republican supporters found that they were on the list to be cut. Many were successful businesses with not financial issues, yet they felt the AXE dropped by putting Government into the G of GM.

        • NetAlien

          The O’Bombers are LAWYERS! You have to listen to, and grok their LEGALESE to be sure you understand what they are really saying.

          “And I BELIEVE that **IF** our government is there to support you, and [**IF** our government is there to] give
          you the assistance you need to re-tool AND make this transition, that
          this plant will be here for another hundred years. The question is not
          whether a CLEAN ENERGY economy is in our future, it’s WHERE it will
          thrive. I WANT it to thrive right HERE in the United States of America
          right here in Wisconsin; and that’s the future I’ll fight for as your
          president[; but I really expect it will likely thrive in China through Solyndra].” (Emphasis and clarifications are mine.)

          Listened to part of his speech in VA yesterday — it was FULL of such INNUENDO! Listen *carefully*… his words are always cleverly crafted to let the listeners come to their own conclusion in believing they heard what they want to hear. His recent facial expressions, however, are of a speaker realizing he is now talking to crowds who could turn on him once they realize that he ISN’T saying what they THINK they hear.

          • weRbroke

            Oblamo exibits all the classical characterists of a psychological manipulator. Textbook.

      • http://pennyrobinsonfanclub.net/ Penny Robinson Fan Club

        You mean that instead of lying, he dissembled?

        • AMERICAN Kafir™(KAdams)

          He ‘misspoke’.

        • AMERICAN Kafir™(KAdams)

          He ‘misspoke’.

      • http://pennyrobinsonfanclub.net/ Penny Robinson Fan Club

        You mean that instead of lying, he dissembled?

    • Immir

      Ryan did nothing but lie, over and over and over….

      • weRbroke

        Not according to the FACTS that matter…you know, the ones that weren’t spindried thru Liberal fact checkers…

  • http://twitter.com/TwommanKen Ken Twombly

    Hey DA libs. Janesville Plant Closed in 2009. Placed on stand by on 1/13/2010.by GM. Check facts B 4 opening your Obama ass kisser

    • Jessica

      lol at Obama ass kisser… I agree!!! Chris Mathews, Rachel Maddow, Ed Schultz, all those other liberal thumpers clearly do not do any research before they spew the liberal garbage. What’s so frustrating is that people believe that crap!

    • johnmartin

      whose the ass kisser? you are really out of your mind. That plant was scheduled to close in jun 2008 and did stop production in dec 2008. A skeleton crew was left until jun 2009 and that is your argument that Obama is responsible. What planet do you live on. Obama saved the auto industry. Mitt Rawmoney wanted it to go BANKRUPT.

      • Ramone Love

        GM and Chrysler DID go bankrupt.

      • Guest

        Did Obama give a speech about saving the plant or not? If he said he would save the plant then he lied, regardless of if the plant was on standby or not! It was pandering to the UAW.

        • Colleen

          obama is always pandering to the rich and the union….liberals know it…they are just desperately in denial!

        • peacenow

          Why on earth do you expect a president to be responsible for keeping any individual manufacturing plant open? For that matter, why do you believe any campaign promise that any candidate makes? Any President has to square his policies with 538 other politicians in congress. 538:1 are some long odds. Even if every democrat agreed with the president and you ignore the democrat-run senate, you’re down to 240:1. Why do you ignore the fact that for day 1, the GOP has stonewalled Obama and refused to work with any democrat policies? Take some responsibility for your own party.

          • weRbroke

            BAAHAHHAHHAAHA.
            Get a better argument, that one is gay.

    • Michael MacKay

      Then Ryan lied when he said the plant didn’t last a year, because Obama spoke in February 2008!

  • n2sooners

    Don’t forget Politifact’s other lie. Their conclusion starts with this line, “Ryan said Obama broke his promise to keep a Wisconsin GM plant from closing.” But Ryan never said that. The only Obama promise he mentioned in that part was when he said, “And that’s how it is in so many towns today, where the recovery that was promised is nowhere in sight.”

    • http://profiles.google.com/mudslag Josh W

      Ryan said and I quote

      “I remember President Obama visiting it when he was first running, saying he’ll keep that plant open. One more broken promise,”

      No where in what Obama said, look up the quote, that he would keep the plant open.

      • n2sooners

        What Ryan actually said:

        “A lot of guys I went to high school with worked at
        that GM plant. Right there at that plant, candidate Obama said: “I
        believe that if our government is there to support you … this plant
        will be here for another hundred years.” That’s what he said in 2008.
        Well, as it turned out, that plant didn’t last
        another year. It is locked up and empty to this day. And that’s how
        it is in so many towns today, where the recovery that was promised is
        nowhere in sight.”

        http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/paul-ryan-s-convention-address_651164.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

        • http://profiles.google.com/mudslag Josh W

          What I quoted is what he said before what he said that you quoted. Nor does that change that he never said he would keep the plant open.

          • n2sooners

            How many days before?

          • http://profiles.google.com/mudslag Josh W

            I got that wrong, my mistake, that was made Aug 16th.

          • n2sooners

            http://youtu.be/NTXpx6OJfXk?t=4m40s

            But regardless of what was said, lets me just get this part straight. A politician can talk about what they want to do when elected. They can pretty much say anything they want, but as long as they don’t say “I promise” then if they don’t do what they said it isn’t a broken promise? Is that about right?

          • http://profiles.google.com/mudslag Josh W

            Given that Obama made the speech in Feb 08 and the decision was made to close the plant in June 08 and that he never stated he would make it a goal to save the plant, yes I would say that doesn’t count as a promise.

          • n2sooners

            Just wanted to get that straight. The standard is a politician can say absolutely anything to get elected and as long as they don’t say “I promise” then they don’t have to bother actually doing what they said. I bet Bush 41 wishes that was the standard back when he said “Read my lips, no new taxes.” After all, he didn’t promise…

          • AMERICAN Kafir™(KAdams)

            See there, he said ‘No NEW taxes.’ Didn’t say anything about the existing ones.

          • AMERICAN Kafir™(KAdams)

            See there, he said ‘No NEW taxes.’ Didn’t say anything about the existing ones.

          • weRbroke

            So the the healing didn’t begin the day He was elected? BAHAHHAHA
            Companies change production plans, reconfigure labor needs , redistribute materials/management, and renegotiate CONTRACTS all the time. We negoatiated a substantial contract with GE for a multimillion, international project that concludes soon. In 2010, GE decided they wanted to move a % of production to MEXICO so we opened a plant there and hired skilled Mexicans. They threatened to break contract if we didn’t follow them.
            IN less than a YEAR, GE brought the contract back to the table and stated that they were dropping their requirement to have some of the work done Mexico. Evidently, every time upper management went to visit the plant that was fenced with razor wire, they were robbed by the locals at their hotel and the government down there was indifferent to the warzone state that workers had to endure just to GET TO WORK. They also couldn’t get any parts that passed their own strict quality control from workers that THEY wanted us to hire.
            Lets be real…Oblamo knew HE has little to do with making any changes to ANYTHING(do nothing congress)…it just makes for hopey dopey feel good words to pander to people who were already facing a dire future. HE USED them for a plank, stood on their shoulders and despite the BAILOUT, GM still took a crap on them.
            Thanks.

          • weRbroke

            So the the healing didn’t begin the day He was elected? BAHAHHAHA
            Companies change production plans, reconfigure labor needs , redistribute materials/management, and renegotiate CONTRACTS all the time. We negoatiated a substantial contract with GE for a multimillion, international project that concludes soon. In 2010, GE decided they wanted to move a % of production to MEXICO so we opened a plant there and hired skilled Mexicans. They threatened to break contract if we didn’t follow them.
            IN less than a YEAR, GE brought the contract back to the table and stated that they were dropping their requirement to have some of the work done Mexico. Evidently, every time upper management went to visit the plant that was fenced with razor wire, they were robbed by the locals at their hotel and the government down there was indifferent to the warzone state that workers had to endure just to GET TO WORK. They also couldn’t get any parts that passed their own strict quality control from workers that THEY wanted us to hire.
            Lets be real…Oblamo knew HE has little to do with making any changes to ANYTHING(do nothing congress)…it just makes for hopey dopey feel good words to pander to people who were already facing a dire future. HE USED them for a plank, stood on their shoulders and despite the BAILOUT, GM still took a crap on them.
            Thanks.

          • http://pennyrobinsonfanclub.net/ Penny Robinson Fan Club

            So did he believe wrong? Or did The Government not support them?

          • http://pennyrobinsonfanclub.net/ Penny Robinson Fan Club

            So did he believe wrong? Or did The Government not support them?

  • http://twitter.com/Marcus_Porcius Marcus Porcius

    Fact checkers get it wrong as usual. Maybe that’s because liberals simply can’t recognize facts in the first place?

    • tommyboy14

      Really?

      Which facts in particular have the “liberals” gotten wrong on this one? hmm?

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1489524484 Rebecca Leigh Randolph

        obama promised to keep the plant open as a candidate in 2008….it was shut down in 2009 (obama was POTUS then)….I haven’t seen any “fact checks” for McCain’s speech yet, how about you go work on that one

        • BradK

          Obama said that he “believed” it would be there. That was his opinion and hope, the fact that GM had it slated to close regardless of what Obama’s opinion was does not make the President wrong.

      • http://pennyrobinsonfanclub.net/ Penny Robinson Fan Club

        Jeebus ffn xmas, they can’t read either, can they?

      • http://pennyrobinsonfanclub.net/ Penny Robinson Fan Club

        Jeebus ffn xmas, they can’t read either, can they?

    • Colleen

      liberals will never recognize facts! They get distracted by shiny objects!

    • Moderate
    • http://pennyrobinsonfanclub.net/ Penny Robinson Fan Club

      They have adopted the Marxist paradigm: “Truth” is what serves The Party.
      Simple as that.

    • http://pennyrobinsonfanclub.net/ Penny Robinson Fan Club

      They have adopted the Marxist paradigm: “Truth” is what serves The Party.
      Simple as that.

  • Jessica

    You screaming liberals must do research like MSNBC!!!! The Janesville plant did not officially shut it’s doors until June 2009 that is when the Isuzu contract ran out! Obama lied when he told the workers in 2008 it would stay open for a 100 yrs…

    • http://profiles.google.com/mudslag Josh W

      Wrong, he never said or promised it would stay open for 100 yrs. Try reading the quotes before making false statements.

      • Lindsey Bruce

        Obama failed. Doesn’t matter if he used the word “promise” or not. He gave hope and then he failed. period.

        • http://profiles.google.com/mudslag Josh W

          In this particular case, no he didn’t lie. You clearly don’t know what a lie is.

          • djshawman

            No Josh.YOU are the one, like most liberals, who doesn’t know what a lie is. You think that semantics make all the difference in the world and as long as someone doesn’t actually say “I promise” they didn’t lie. Kind of like how everyone came to Clinton’s defense when he said “I DID NOT HAVE SEXUAL RELATIONS WITH THAT WOMEN!” Liberals argued that to Clinton sexual relations meant actual sex and that his definition of sexual relations was different than what other’s definitions were. So technically, he didn’t lie either. Deceit is lying.

          • djshawman

            No Josh.YOU are the one, like most liberals, who doesn’t know what a lie is. You think that semantics make all the difference in the world and as long as someone doesn’t actually say “I promise” they didn’t lie. Kind of like how everyone came to Clinton’s defense when he said “I DID NOT HAVE SEXUAL RELATIONS WITH THAT WOMEN!” Liberals argued that to Clinton sexual relations meant actual sex and that his definition of sexual relations was different than what other’s definitions were. So technically, he didn’t lie either. Deceit is lying.

          • http://pennyrobinsonfanclub.net/ Penny Robinson Fan Club

            That’s OK. Sock Puppet doesn’t know what the truth is.

          • http://pennyrobinsonfanclub.net/ Penny Robinson Fan Club

            That’s OK. Sock Puppet doesn’t know what the truth is.

          • weRbroke

            And…you don’t want to accept the truth. He used their situation as a PLANK to stand on, and said WE to absolve himself from any personal responsibility. He stated a lot of lofty aspirations that relied on the Democrats complete control over EVERYTHING. He didn’t count on the push back from the REAL WORLD.

        • GoSellCrazySomeplaceElse

          Josh W. You’re just wrong. And to say Obama saved the auto industry…wrong again. The stimulus money O. gave gm went directly to uaw’s pensions. Obama can’t tell the truth. That’s Chicago politocs.

    • Colleen

      liberals do not like like facts! they are just desperate cheerleaders for their dictator!

  • johnmartin

    are you people all insane? did you check the facts or just take Paul Ryan’s word for it? In June of 2008, the plant was slated to close by the end of the year. It stopped production on Dec.23, 2008. They still had a skeleton staff and produced until jue 2009 and to this day are standing by to continue production becasue Obama saved the auto industry,. It is now making more money than ever. Mitt Romney is the one who said LET DETROIT GO BANKRUPT. Obama is the one who saved it. What world do you live in?

    • Greg Yount

      John, you might as well talk to a stone, it’s obvious that folks like Jessica aren’t smart enough to grasp actual, documented facts, or the concept that the plant was already dead and gone for 7 months when the Isuzu contract finished up. The fact that GM had already bought out the workers a YEAR before that, and that the management of a private company, not Pres Obama, had decided to close that plant was already cast in stone by June 2008. Sorry Jessica, as someone in the auto industry, I can tell you that they don’t shutter plants in a weeks time, these things are planned over a year or two, no matter how sudden it may seem to outsiders. Further, since you also don’t grasp supply and demand very well, you don’t seem to grasp that the sales of SUV’s had bottomed thanks to the $4-5/gallon gas of 2007, and demand hadn’t come back when the decision to close the plant was made.

      • http://twitter.com/Chademann Chad Manning

        As someone not in the auto industry; there sure are a lot of SUVs in Texas! Thanks for the explanation of how plants are shuttered. Who knew? Perhaps a talking suit shouldn’t drone on about a plant being open for a 100 years and people outside the ‘industry’ wouldn’t get the wrong idea.

      • chuckawala

        So did Obama know all these actual documented facts, when he told the Plant workers that he believed with governments help the Plant would be there for the next 100 years, with the implication that their employment there was pretty much guaranteed, if they’d vote for Barack?

    • Randal Redder

      Obama saved it? Glad to see Obama kept the Janesville plant open for 100 years with government intervention. Glad to see GM’s stocks soaring and the bailout money fully paid off. Driving around in my Volt celebrating Obama right now.

    • Dan Cooper

      Yeah, he really “saved” it… how many BILLIONS do we, the taxpayers, stand to lose on this bailout, seeing as GM’s stock has dropped like a rock? Also, they are not “standing by to this day”… I have family in Janesville, two of whom lost their jobs in the shutdown; both have moved on to other jobs. Incidentally, I drive by the plant every time I go see them. Weeds in the empty parking lots, all the gates closed and locked, run down… far from “standing by.”

      • Ramone Love

        The anticipated loss (via Treasury Department) is $25 billion and counting.

        • http://twitter.com/Chademann Chad Manning

          But could it be a loss if the entire industry is “saved”?

    • tommyboy14

      Yes…. Yes… They are all insane.

      Does that surprise you?

      They nominated a liberal moderate for President…

    • http://twitter.com/Chademann Chad Manning

      Have you heard of filing bankruptcy protection? It’s amazing, companies stay in business and the taxpayers save billions!

    • chuckawala

      Knit Picking & irrelevant.
      The indisputable point Ryan was making, is that Obama wanted those plant workers to believe that Obama really believed that if they’d vote for him, that plant would be there for the next 100 years, even if it had to be resurrected.
      The truth is, in spite of all the workers at the Plant that believed Obama & voted for him, the Plant is closed, and has not been resurrected by Obama.

    • EverybodyTalks

      So you didn’t read the Milwaukee Sentinel article either. BTW, GM did go bankrupt and so did Chrysler. Ford was the only one of the BIG 3 that didn’t. What dimension are you from?

    • SJ’s Dad

      Saved it for what?
      Chevy Volt production was halted . . .
      AGAIN yesterday, because even with Gov’t subsidies, NOBODY’S BUYING those P’sOS!!!!!!
      The only reason Gov’t Motors exists AT ALL right now, is crony Marxist Gov’t contracts!!!!!!!
      Detroilet WILL go bankrupt, because Detroit hasn’t had a (R) mayor in over 50 years, and (D) leadership refuses to invest in Economic Diversity!!!!!!

    • SJ’s Dad

      Saved it for what?
      Chevy Volt production was halted . . .
      AGAIN yesterday, because even with Gov’t subsidies, NOBODY’S BUYING those P’sOS!!!!!!
      The only reason Gov’t Motors exists AT ALL right now, is crony Marxist Gov’t contracts!!!!!!!
      Detroilet WILL go bankrupt, because Detroit hasn’t had a (R) mayor in over 50 years, and (D) leadership refuses to invest in Economic Diversity!!!!!!

  • Chuck Sherman

    Paul Ryan did lie in the same statement for another reason. If the factory was truly open until June 2009, it was open longer than a year, since Obama spoke in Janesville on Feb. 13th, 2008.

    • n2sooners

      Depends on how you read “didn’t last another year” If you read it as it didn’t last more than 365 days from when Obama said it, yes, he was off by a couple of months (Obama was off by 1180+ months). But it could also be read as it didn’t last through any year beyond 2008. I think this whole thing has come down to nit picking. After all, Ryan never said Obama “promised” to keep the plant open. He said Obama didn’t deliver on the promised recovery, and I don’t think anyone can honestly dispute that conclusion.

    • chuckawala

      It’s irrelevant when the plant closed.

      The point Ryan was making, is that Obama was implying that if those plant workers would vote for him, their jobs would be secure & the plant would be kept open, or resurrected if needs be, and be there the next 100 years.

      That ain’t what happened, and Obama’s energy policies have done nothing to lower the price of the gas that fueled the SUV’s that Plant produced, which didn’t help SUV sales.

    • EverybodyTalks

      Seriously weak……you typed that and then decided to hit
      Google the speech and read the part about his healthcare plan. Obama states Hilary hunting to make sure everyone pays and going after wages if they don’t and that his plan won’t…saywut?…Not sure but isn’t that exactly what Obamacare does? Nitpick that log!

  • Somersetsmile

    Rep. Ryan’s statement was about what then Rep. Obama said in 2008 about what he would do for the Janesville auto plant was completely factual. Beyond that, then Rep. Obama was a member of the majority Democratic Congress from a district within a few miles of the Janesville plant. But still he and his party did nothing for the Janesville plant then or once he became President.

  • n2sooners

    You should read the Obama speech, it is gold. Like the gift that keeps on giving. He talks about retooling the plant to make green vehicles and then touts “investing” in green energy and how many jobs it’s going to create and how it isn’t going to increase debt like Bush increased debt. It just doesn’t stop. http://www.cfr.org/us-election-2008/obamas-speech-janesville-wisconsin/p15492

    • http://profiles.google.com/mudslag Josh W

      It’s funny cause he never actually made a promise, yet the other side want’s to keep saying he broke a promise with that speech. Hmmm

      • n2sooners

        So, the standard is you can talk about doing a lot of stuff, but as long as you don’t say “I promise” then not doing it is just fine?

        “When I’m President, we’ll reform our bankruptcy laws so that we give
        Americans who find themselves in debt a second chance. I’ll close the
        loophole that allows investors with multiple homes to renegotiate their
        mortgage in bankruptcy court, but not victims of predatory lending.
        We’ll make sure that if you can demonstrate that you went bankrupt
        because of medical expenses, then you can relieve that debt and get back
        on your feet. And I’ll make sure that CEOs can’t dump your pension
        with one hand while they collect a bonus with the other. That’s an
        outrage, and it’s time we had a President who knows it’s an outrage.
        Those
        are the steps we can take to ease the cost crisis facing working
        families. But we still need to make sure that families are working. We
        need to maintain our competitive edge in a global by ensuring that
        plants like this one stay open for another hundred years, and shuttered
        factories re-open as new industries that promise new jobs. And we need
        to put more Americans to work doing jobs that need to be done right here
        in America.”

        But he didn’t say “I promise” so I guess it doesn’t count.

        • http://profiles.google.com/mudslag Josh W

          What you quoted is a promise, what he said back in Feb 08 that the gov could help out, wasn’t. This isn’t rocket science. Stating the gov could help out vs “when Im President Ill do X” is clearly different.

          • Darkstar1661

            so what you are saying is that Obama was just blatantly making completely empty pandering statements in an attempt to win votes from desperate people about to lose their jobs, and that he never actually had any intent what so ever to help them retool or stay open for another 100 years when he was talking about it retooling and staying open 100 years?

            …glad we could clear that up…

          • mommasaurus009

            I work at a GM plant in MI. We were supposed to build a Pontiac &Chevy until 2013. In ’08 when the economy tanked we reopened our National Contract to help GM stay out of bankruptcy by allowing GM to no longer offer pension to any newly hired workers, we gav e up pay and benefits to align it w foreign automakers, and guess what happened, in LATE 2008 our plant closed. It hadn’t been slated to b idled,or even brought up for closure untilH Obama got all his UAW votes-not me at least. He may not have made “Promises” but he gave hope that those who were already working should not have any worries of future lay-offs. We didn’t see it coming,so while u argue over the semantics of his speech,there were ppl who lost jobs under HIS Admin.

          • AMERICAN Kafir™(KAdams)

            I had a lady friend that moved here to MI for a short time, because she got laid off from the GM plant in Tennessee. Packed her kids and her things and moved up here on the promise of getting another job here at the MI plant. Didn’t happen, so ultimately, she had to move back home with her parents ( and her kids) when her money ran out.

          • AMERICAN Kafir™(KAdams)

            Semantics. Leading people to believe something that isn’t true is ‘DECEIT’. Period.

          • milarso

            Is it still deceit if the president meant it when he said it? Is it possible the president actually thought that with government assistance, the plant would remain open and thrive? There are a lot of people saying he broke a promise (I don’t think it was a promise, but I do think many of you are right and he was implying that if he was elected, he could save the plant an others like it). But is he a liar because it didn’t work out the way he thought it would? I think there is a big difference between being a liar and just being wrong.

          • weRbroke

            If he “believed” every word that he has uttered, he is a delusional idiot. The nonsense he blows doesn’t wash with people that DO UNDERSTAND how it all works. Community ORGANizers only know how to whip up the bases with lofty aspirations and pretty promises that they KNOW will never happen and their lesser educated bases fall for vague plots printed on the flyers and repeated in the ads. They know it will be easy for them to blame anyone for their own failures to deliver what they said they would.

          • weRbroke

            If he “believed” every word that he has uttered, he is a delusional idiot. The nonsense he blows doesn’t wash with people that DO UNDERSTAND how it all works. Community ORGANizers only know how to whip up the bases with lofty aspirations and pretty promises that they KNOW will never happen and their lesser educated bases fall for vague plots printed on the flyers and repeated in the ads. They know it will be easy for them to blame anyone for their own failures to deliver what they said they would.

          • AMERICAN Kafir™(KAdams)

            Just remember, perception is reality. Obama’s perception is that it wasn’t a promise. However, all of those auto-workers on the verge of getting their pink slips perceived that it was.

          • AMERICAN Kafir™(KAdams)

            Just remember, perception is reality. Obama’s perception is that it wasn’t a promise. However, all of those auto-workers on the verge of getting their pink slips perceived that it was.

      • chuckawala

        Clever politician & master magician that he is, our President prefers to imply, rather than be too literal, because then he can later point out that he usually doesn’t say anything when he speaks, and ther4 is guilty of no verbal crime.
        He implied that if he was elected President, that GM Plant would be there for the next 100 years. That’s what his audience at the GM Plant thought, and that’s what he wanted them to think.
        But you’re right he didn’t actually say:
        I BARACK OBAMA BEING OF SOUND MIND DO SWEAR THAT IF YOU VOTE FOR ME, I PROMISE IN BLOOD, THAT YOUR GM PLANT WILL NOT CLOSE FOR THE NEXT 100 YEARS.
        You’re right he didn’t actually say those words. How astute of you. Hmmm.

      • weRbroke

        Did you know that the government does NOT REALLY PROMISE that Social Security Benefits will be paid TO ANYONE? It’s simply IMPLIED and not ENTITLED by any statute. What was legislated and led millions of people to believe they are entitled to is just a “PROMISE” of future payment.

        • AMERICAN Kafir™(KAdams)

          Just remember, perception is reality. Obama’s perception (and yours, for that matter) is that it wasn’t a promise. However, all of those auto-workers on the verge of getting their pink slips perceived that it was.

          When you’re running for public office, your constituents’ perception of your policies should be clear. Wouldn’t that be good policy? Or would you prefer fluff and rainbows?

          • RBarb

            Kadams, I was on another site yesterday & some liberal fool on there indicated they are going to vote for Obama because he is “cool”. Now if that isn’t reason enough to vote for the leader of the free world, I don’t know what is (sarcasm intended).

          • RBarb

            Kadams, I was on another site yesterday & some liberal fool on there indicated they are going to vote for Obama because he is “cool”. Now if that isn’t reason enough to vote for the leader of the free world, I don’t know what is (sarcasm intended).

        • AMERICAN Kafir™(KAdams)

          Just remember, perception is reality. Obama’s perception (and yours, for that matter) is that it wasn’t a promise. However, all of those auto-workers on the verge of getting their pink slips perceived that it was.

          When you’re running for public office, your constituents’ perception of your policies should be clear. Wouldn’t that be good policy? Or would you prefer fluff and rainbows?

      • weRbroke

        Did you know that the government does NOT REALLY PROMISE that Social Security Benefits will be paid TO ANYONE? It’s simply IMPLIED and not ENTITLED by any statute. What was legislated and led millions of people to believe they are entitled to is just a “PROMISE” of future payment.

  • Somersetsmile

    Further, the plant closure moved from a projected date in 2010 to 2008, after Rep. Obama made his statement and after GM got their bailout. GM made the decision to change from a temporary shutdown to a closure, only once Obama won the election in Nov. 2008.

  • tommyboy14

    Your analysis blows… I hadn’t come across this site before, but now I know why. It’s crap.

    And all you tools posting on here in defense of this poopoo, you’re equally insane.

    The plant was scheduled by GM in 2008 to begin closing, as part of a savings operation in North America, saying that the shutdown would be complete by 2010, which is what happened.

    The BEST you idiots have is to hold candidate Obama to his 2008 speech.

    Fine you can have that.

    But you know very well THAT was not Ryan’s message…

    His message was that the plant closed BECAUSE OF Obama.

    No wonder you righties have pretty much already lost this year…

    Maybe next time you shouldn’t run a liar and a leftwing moderate.

    • Darkstar1661

      You cant read very well, can you?

      I do worry about all your built up, clearly judgmental and hateful anger though. You might want to see someone about that…

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100004098205014 Ben Jones

      This site is run by Michelle Malkin of Fox News. What do you expect?

      • http://twitter.com/Chademann Chad Manning

        I expect blowhards like you to stay away!

      • chuckawala

        I expect the truth from Michelle Malkin & am never disappointed.

        Where do you get your information, The New York Times, MSNBC, NPR, the funny papers, CNN, or maybe that guy that just got fired by Yahoo for saying Romney didn’t care if people of color were hurt by hurricane Issac?

        You do realize the Obama media constantly has to re-tract false news reports, like when Brian Ross on ABC had to apologize for trying to pin the carnage of that maniac who shot up that theater in Colorado, on a Tea Party Guy who had the same name as the maniac?

    • chuckawala

      You’re good with the insult hurling, fine I’ll give you that, but,

      You know very well that Obama implied that he would would keep that plant
      open, or resurrect it, if needs be, if he was elected President.

      That was Ryan’s message, that Obama was guaranteeing those Plant workers
      jobs, if they’d vote for him.

      No wonder you lefties, are so clueless, thinking he who insults the most, wins the argument.

  • Randal Redder

    I must have listened to the wrong RNC speech… didn’t hear Ryan claim Obama shut down or was responsible for the plant closing. What I did hear was Obama promising the plant would be open for 100 years. And alas the plant stopped production at some point and Obama bailed the auto business out but didn’t reopen the Janesville plant. I think the initial promise is the most profound part of the situation. Its asinine to go around promising businesses success if they get help from the Almighty government. We all know it really doesn’t work that way.

    • tommyboy14

      See, that’s an easy extrapolation by a rightie… Because you have all been brainwashed into assuming that Obama TOOK OVER GM.

      Contrary to those… er…. facts…. Obama never ran GM.

      • Randal Redder

        What? I never said Obama ran GM. My point was that the most profound part of the issue is the 2008 speech where Obama promised to keep the plant open for 100 years. On what grounds can a politician promise something like that? How can he go around to private sector businesses and declare success to them?

      • http://www.toprightnews.com John Urban

        Obama fired GM’s CEO. He was effectively its largest shareholder and its Chairman.

        • MartiniShark

          Not to mention the arbitrary way he closed dealerships which were actually making money.

        • MartiniShark

          Not to mention the arbitrary way he closed dealerships which were actually making money.

      • chuckawala

        Love him, hate him, you don’t know him.

        2016 Obama’s America

        http://www.bigscreen.com/NowShowing.php?movie=137390&view=sched

    • http://profiles.google.com/mudslag Josh W

      Except Obama never promised to keep the plant open for another 100 yrs.

      “And I believe that if our government is there to support you, and give
      you the assistance you need to re-tool and make this transition, that
      this plant will be here for another hundred years. The question is not
      whether a clean energy economy is in our future, it’s where it will
      thrive. I want it to thrive right here in the United States of America;
      right here in Wisconsin; and that’s the future I’ll fight for as your
      president.”

      • Darkstar1661

        I agree. In fact, just the other day I went to the couple down the street who had lost their house in a fire and I said “I believe that if me and my contractor friends came to your house and rebuilt it, you will be happy here for years to come”

        …of course, that wasn’t me actually offering to help or anything, I just wanted them to praise me over my empty pandering statement. They baked me cookies; Peanut Butter, and very good. Too bad that couple lives in a homeless shelter now though, I would like more cookies…

        • http://profiles.google.com/mudslag Josh W

          You can play twister all you want, that doesn’t change the FACT that no actual promise was made.

          • Darkstar1661

            nope, you’re 100% correct. Just like when Obama said about 15 times that he was going to “pivot to job creation”, it wasn’t actually a promise to do anything what so ever on job creation – he was just randomly talking…

          • http://profiles.google.com/mudslag Josh W

            Red herring

          • AMERICAN Kafir™(KAdams)

            Pink bunnies and rainbows.

          • AMERICAN Kafir™(KAdams)

            Just like he said he would cut the deficit in half in his first term. Hmm. I see that it’s almost doubled, now.

          • weRbroke

            Dude, you are the one playing…and losing.

          • http://profiles.google.com/mudslag Josh W

            Losing what exactly? Quotes speak for themselves. Obama said one thing, Ryan said another. You can’t get any more clear cut then that.

          • weRbroke

            AWWWWW, you spent all day here trying to rewrite other people’s opinions, and I daresay it was a waste of time. Ezra is backing away from his own LIE by making a correction without actually notating that there a correction made at all, except some folks have tweeted and stuff. Oh my.

          • MartiniShark

            You are playing semantics to excuse Obama. If he mentions the plant staying open for 100 years, and you can claim it was not a promise, then it was a direct allusion to his proposed program to bail out GM. And he did bail out GM, however the plant closed anyway after billions of taxpayer money going into the bailout, and that was what Ryan was pointing out. Obama stepped in and his program failed the people anyway.

          • http://profiles.google.com/mudslag Josh W

            Just like Ryan was playing semantics when he said Obama broke a “promise”??? Pot meet Kettle

          • MartiniShark

            Where’d that quote come from? Ryan never said that in his speech.

          • MartiniShark

            You are playing semantics to excuse Obama. If he mentions the plant staying open for 100 years, and you can claim it was not a promise, then it was a direct allusion to his proposed program to bail out GM. And he did bail out GM, however the plant closed anyway after billions of taxpayer money going into the bailout, and that was what Ryan was pointing out. Obama stepped in and his program failed the people anyway.

      • Randal Redder

        How is this not a promise? Which portion of the covenant did government break?

        • http://profiles.google.com/mudslag Josh W

          How can you not read? “I believe that if our government is there to support you”

          How exactly is that a promise?

          • chuckawala

            Technically it’s not a literal promise, but in spirit, the implication is there, and do you honestly think those Plant workers didn’t think Obama was guaranteeing them that Plant would stay open, if they voted for him??
            Obama is very good at verbal slight of hand. A master. Listening to an Obama speech is like watching a magic act, with lots of teleprompters, smoke & mirrors. The key to being a good magician is distraction & Obama is the master of distraction. He takes us 5 trillion further into debt & has us talking about paying for some 30 year old Obama College Student operative’s birth control, instead of the economy. Amazing!

          • AMERICAN Kafir™(KAdams)

            Yes, Chuck. Josh apparently doesn’t realize that his Democrat buddies in DC are experts in wordsmithing. That’s why they are called ‘politicians’. Politics (from Greek politikos “of, for, or relating to citizens”) as a term is generally applied to the art or science of running governmental or state affairs, including behavior within civil governments.

            They sure have made it an art. They have Josh completely fooled, fool that he is.

          • http://profiles.google.com/mudslag Josh W

            No I don’t, if they had thoughts of a “guarantee” before Obama was even elected, then they are the fools. You are just as much of a fool for playing the semantic game yourself.

          • weRbroke

            So lets get this straight…are you calling the people that believed he was going to help them…FOOLS? They voted for OBAMA…hope and change, and a FUTURE of employment with assistance from the GOVERNMENT to help them re-tool and more.

            The party of ASS has a posterchild and it is YOU. Way to go Skippy, you let the cat out of the bag and it shit on those voters shoes.

            The timeline of events, on record, tell a different story and I do hope that someone has the balls to TELL IT to the nation.

          • chuckawala

            Take a chill pill Lefty, no need to start name calling.

            Ryan’s point was that Obama was implying that if he was elected, the Plant would, with the government’s help, be there for the next 100 years. That was supposedly Obama’s belief, and after all this was the guy that was going to make the waters recede & heal the planet.

            It seems to me, for you to miss that, you’ve got a lot of nerve accusing people of engaging in semantics & being fools.

            To quote Eric Clapton, before you ‘cuse me, take a look at yourself.

            BTW, contrary to popular Liberal belief, the one who does the most name calling, does not necessarily win the argument.

          • chuckawala

            Someone who would vote for Obama, a 2nd time, the President whose taken us 5 trillion deeper in debt, accusing others of being fools.

            HOW IRONIC.

          • chuckawala

            Barack Obama, Love him, or hate him, you don’t know him.

            2016 OBAMA’S AMERICA

            http://www.bigscreen.com/NowShowing.php?movie=137390&view=sched

          • AMERICAN Kafir™(KAdams)

            The promise is: “that this plant WILL be here for another hundred years”. They were LED TO BELIEVE something that wasn’t true. Deceit all the way around. Did he MAKE HIMSELF CLEAR, as he does on so many other things? “Let me be clear….”

          • http://profiles.google.com/mudslag Josh W

            Wrong, that wasn’t a promise, you’re a fool if you think that was. The key words in his quote were “I believe” and “if”. This isn’t rocket science.

      • chuckawala

        He implied that if he was elected the plant would stay open another 100 years with the support that the Obama Government would provide.

        Obama is extremely skilled at implying, so that he can later deny having said anything for which he could technically be accused of.

      • AMERICAN Kafir™(KAdams)

        You’re just wasting the air I breathe, Josh. Go try your argument on the local elementary school. Maybe those kids will be able to vote in 2020 if Obama decides to try his hand again at ruining the country. Oh wait. He already has…

      • http://pennyrobinsonfanclub.net/ Penny Robinson Fan Club

        After all, with the leftards it’s your good intentions that count, and I’m sure little Barry tried his very hardest to keep that factory open with tax incentives and providing favorable business conditions. And as long as he really tried, that’s what counts, right?

        Bless his heart.

      • http://pennyrobinsonfanclub.net/ Penny Robinson Fan Club

        After all, with the leftards it’s your good intentions that count, and I’m sure little Barry tried his very hardest to keep that factory open with tax incentives and providing favorable business conditions. And as long as he really tried, that’s what counts, right?

        Bless his heart.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100004098205014 Ben Jones

    YOU LIE!!!
    Signed,
    Joe Wilson

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100004098205014 Ben Jones

    Who is more accurate the Washington Post or “Twitchy.com?” … I think your 15 minutes of fame are about up on google news search.

    • EverybodyTalks

      So the Milwaukee Sentinel lied too?

  • http://profiles.google.com/mudslag Josh W

    No where is there a promise in that quote. If you’re going to quote, at least use the entire quote. Reading comprehension people.

    “I believe that if our government is there to support you and give you
    the assistance you need to re-tool and make this transition, that this
    plant will be here for another 100 years.”

    • tommyboy14

      Ohh come on!!!

      This is the “You didn’t built that” crowd!

      You really think your “fact” is gonna sway them?

      :)

      • http://profiles.google.com/mudslag Josh W

        I know, they can’t let facts get in the way of a good witch hunt.

      • http://twitter.com/Chademann Chad Manning

        Ok fact: The words, “you didn’t build that” came out of Obama’s mouth! He was referring to roads and other infrastructure leading to businesses; which are paid for by taxpayers. Ya know businesses and individuals! So regardless of how it’s taken, WE did build that!

    • chuckawala

      What was there to stop Obama from SUPPORTING that GM Plant in Janesville after he was elected, and helping it to open its doors?

      There was an implication in what Obama said to those Plant workers, that if he was elected, the doors of that plant would not close. It’s there for the comprehending in the reading, for those who don’t try too hard to miss it.

      Meaning comprehension people.

  • Ramone Love

    Ryan highlighted that Obama said that government support could help keep the plant open. And contrasted it with the subsequent fact that it didn’t help. The entire point was that if Obama’s economic policies were working then the plant would perhaps be open. It isn’t. Everyone arguing fine points of when the plant closed is doing exactly what the Obama campaign wants you to do, which is lose sight of the larger picture. Obama’s policies are not working, yet he will not change direction nor adjust them. That is what Paul Ryan was talking about.

    • tommyboy14

      I’m sorry?

      You’re using a successful bailout and saving of the American Auto Industry as proof that his policies…. didn’t work?

      oO

      And you have a private company… GM… Making a BUSINESS DECISION to save a billion dollars with plant closures, and instead of celebrating free market leadership (like ya’ll like to do), you wanna now make the argument that the GOVERNMENT should have bailed out those plants?

      lol! The GOP is a funny bunch these days…..

      • Guest

        If GM filed bankruptcy and restructured under the bankruptcy laws then that is different then the government bail out! So, yeah it’s failed policy!

      • Ramone Love

        I made no argument that the government should have bailed out any plant. As to your statement that the auto bailout was successful, that’s debatable. Chrysler is now foreign owned. GM is losing money again. Taxpayers are currently estimated (by Treasury Dept) to suffer a $25 billion loss on the auto bailouts. Middle management had their pensions disappear in the bankruptcies. And I don’t have any issue with GM closing plants. That’s their business. Obama’s economic policies are demonstrably not working. Growth is anemic, job creation is slower than population growth. Anyone can blame anything they wish to. But it is not working. If you think it is, well good for you. I suspect the 23 million unemployed may disagree on how well it’s going. That was the entire point of Ryan’s speech.

        PS GM is not a private company. It is a public company.

        • http://pennyrobinsonfanclub.net/ Penny Robinson Fan Club

          He can’t read, don;t even bother responding to his inanity.

        • http://pennyrobinsonfanclub.net/ Penny Robinson Fan Club

          He can’t read, don;t even bother responding to his inanity.

        • Panors77

          Yep….”government motors” now. Communist policies NEVER work!! WHY do the dems want marx?? Where’s the successful marxist model working on the planet?

          • AMERICAN Kafir™(KAdams)

            China. But I guess ‘success’ would be a relative term.

          • 97E

            China has never been Marxist. China started Maoist (very different than Marxism), and even that isn’t where they are now. They somehow blended a communistic dictatorship with a pseudo-free market system that seems to work alright in their culture.

            There’s a BIG difference there.

          • AMERICAN Kafir™(KAdams)

            Maoism, Marxism, Communism, Socialism; they all come from the same playbook of Hegel.

            Maoism is a form of communism, Marxism is a form of socialism yadda yadda yadda.

            http://www.authorityreasearch.com

            Might be a bit heavy for you though. Or should I say, ‘hefty’.

        • Armando

          Let’s suppose for the sake of argument that you are right, and Obama’s policies are now working. What is Romney proposing to fix it, besided the failed policies of the past?

          • Immir

            Nothing but more “trickle down” economics, meaning tax cuts for the rich.

          • weRbroke

            Dems love “trickle up” poverty though, more shoulders to stand on while they vote for MORE public trough money and croon about caring about the poor. If they cared, their various advocacy nonprofits would spend more money on charity and less on lobbying.

        • http://twitter.com/RadjinWolf Growly Grumblewolf

          Chrysler is NOW foreign owned? Back in 1998 Chrysler was taken over by
          Daimler AG, the German auto group that also owns Mercedes. In 2007
          Daimler essentially offloaded Chrysler into a holding corp, which then
          needed to be bailed out.

          Get your facts straight.

          • Ramone Love

            Yes, that is quite correct. It was American-owned, then German-owned, then American-owned and now foreign-owned. I stated nothing incorrect, so take your lecture elsewhere.

      • chuckawala

        Not as funny as you with that successful bailout routine.

        • http://pennyrobinsonfanclub.net/ Penny Robinson Fan Club

          Hey, let’s hear about the fabulously successful Chevy Volt!

          • AMERICAN Kafir™(KAdams)

            Oh oh… let’s not forget ‘Cash for Clunkers’, where many auto body shops and repair garages lost business because those cars weren’t brought in for repairs, not to mention all of those auto part makers that lost out on the replacement parts that would have gone into those ‘clunkers’.

          • weRbroke

            Cash for Clunkers took alot of decent used cars and squashed them. I never thought I would hear an ad on the radio from a local used car dealer that they WANT TO BUY your used car.

          • AMERICAN Kafir™(KAdams)

            I had a thankfully short stint in the auto sales industry. Car dealerships actually make most of their money from selling used cars. They always want to buy your used car. They even go to auctions, gov’t and otherwise, to buy decent used cars. With Cash for Clunkers, dealerships also lost out on the potential income those used cars would have made them from trade-ins.

          • weRbroke

            Cash for clunkers just moved inventory and completed the cash flow circle back to the protected investors, they now have a flow of payments for the next 4 to 6 years. The only CASH FOR CLUNKER takers in my town were government employees…aka teachers. Everyone else refused to fall for another debt trap over a piece of crap that starts fires.

          • AMERICAN Kafir™(KAdams)

            Oh oh… let’s not forget ‘Cash for Clunkers’, where many auto body shops and repair garages lost business because those cars weren’t brought in for repairs, not to mention all of those auto part makers that lost out on the replacement parts that would have gone into those ‘clunkers’.

      • TomJB

        No, GM should *not* have been bailed out. They should have been allowed to fail. Had GM gone through normal bankruptcy channels, they would either be a stronger company today or gone altogether. The auto consumer, either way, would be MUCH better off. Either GM cars would still be available at a lower price, and likely higher quality, or they would be buying superior cars built by other companies. GM workers would also be better off either working for a stronger GM, or working for another auto company.

        You’re not really one of those people who think bankruptcy means the company goes away completely, everyone is laid off, and everything magically disappears? Here’s what would have happened to GM’s physical plants: they would have determined which were best suited to bring GM back into profitability and save the company. The others would be sold or auctioned off. What do you think Ford, Toyota, or Honda would rather do: build a new plant from the foundation up that may take 5 years to complete its first car, or buy a fully functioning, fully equipped, fully staffed plant already in operation that can start production in weeks? Workers may be out of a job temporarily but would have been hired by whoever bought the plant.

        • AMERICAN Kafir™(KAdams)

          Yes, Same with Goldman Sachs. Lehman was the ‘sacrificial lamb’.

          • theneighborhoodguy01

            GM was only bailed out to save the unions, their money, and buy their votes. The other investors and bond holders were illegally screwed by the Obama Administration’s picking who wins and who loses…it is called subjugation.

      • AMERICAN Kafir™(KAdams)

        I’d like your definition of ‘successful’… there are STILL hundreds of dealerships/showrooms closed or sold to other auto-makers to this day. Successful? I think not.

        It wasn’t JUST assembly plants, moron.

        • ambassgray

          K..you are correct. There are many dealerships that closed, and have never reopened, but how many more would have had to shut their doors had GM and Chrysler gone under? Not just the showrooms, but also manufacturing plants that supplied glass, paint, tires, etc to the auto industry? Nobody stops to think about how so many industries are depending on the auto industry to be successful. Was it “successful” in the short term, yes absolutely. The bailout saved a lot more jobs than people actually realize, or are afraid to admit for pure political reasons. Was it the right thing to do long term? That has yet to be seen…but unemployment would be much higher than it is today if nothing were done.

          • weRbroke

            I would imagine that it would have easily been bought out and restructured under new management…
            Those UAW jobs saved will need life support again…and again…

      • weRbroke

        Oblamo catered to the UAW…and stuck TAXPAYERS with the bill. Thanks.

      • SDN

        Successful? Remind me again how losing vast sums on an “investment” is successful? Romney had to meet higher standards than that at Bain.

        • weRbroke

          What is the taxpayers in for so far? $25 BILLION and counting?

      • SDN

        Successful? Remind me again how losing vast sums on an “investment” is successful? Romney had to meet higher standards than that at Bain.

      • http://pennyrobinsonfanclub.net/ Penny Robinson Fan Club

        Keeping an IV tube and artificial respiration on someone may technically count as “saving” him, but it doesn’t change the fact that he is on a heavy influx of external assistance and likely moribund. And while conservatives are generally in favor of keeping a human being in that condition alive, we also generally think that a business in such a condition should get its plug pulled.

        And the Chevy Volt should have been aborted.

      • http://pennyrobinsonfanclub.net/ Penny Robinson Fan Club

        Keeping an IV tube and artificial respiration on someone may technically count as “saving” him, but it doesn’t change the fact that he is on a heavy influx of external assistance and likely moribund. And while conservatives are generally in favor of keeping a human being in that condition alive, we also generally think that a business in such a condition should get its plug pulled.

        And the Chevy Volt should have been aborted.

      • panors77

        You’re applauding a government take over of an auto company, this particular one where BO got to pick the winner and loser? As I recall…FORD didn’t get any bailout money and has got back on their feet. So bailing out ONE GM company does not “saving the auto industry make” especially when japanese cars are still outselling GM and Ford both. The Chevy Volt?? Are you kidding me?? What “industry” do you want BO’s government to take over next? The dems are the funny bunch here and I don’t mean “hahah” funny.

        • ambassgray

          Ford was not struggling, or in need of bailout money. However, the President of Ford lobbied for the bailout of Chrysler and GM to occur. At the same time Ford, who was not in need of a bailout, requested a 9 billion dollar line of credit from Congress (and received almost 6 billion in 2009)…but you are right, they did not receive “bailout money.” Just another of those little facts thrown to the side…

          • weRbroke

            How much money does GM still owe AMERICA? As long as they owe it and are GOVERNMENT MOTORS, my next vehicle will be a FORD. I know I am not alone, many are still pissed off.

          • theneighborhoodguy01

            I prefer to buy from a company that is proud to be profitable…and that’s Ford, for me. FYI: There’s about to be a fire sale on the Volts coming soon for all you Eco-lefties. Don’t know where you’ll get it serviced, though. Ha!

      • panors77

        You’re applauding a government take over of an auto company, this particular one where BO got to pick the winner and loser? As I recall…FORD didn’t get any bailout money and has got back on their feet. So bailing out ONE GM company does not “saving the auto industry make” especially when japanese cars are still outselling GM and Ford both. The Chevy Volt?? Are you kidding me?? What “industry” do you want BO’s government to take over next? The dems are the funny bunch here and I don’t mean “hahah” funny.

      • http://twitter.com/advancingtruth Claire Adams

        Tommy Boy, “Successful” might be a stretch – and if you still wish to use that word, then own up to the collateral damage the gov’t takeover caused, which is never measured or discussed by Obama fans:

        How many millions does GM still owe us?
        How much $ did GM shareholders earn when it was taken over by the gov’t?
        How much of the “new” GM went to Labor Unions, and what did THEY earn?
        So taxpayers and shareholders (i.e, mom’s 401K) got screwed and political favors to Big Labor were granted. Oh, I just figured out what success is to liberals: The Manifestation of Big Labor Cronyism.

      • http://twitter.com/advancingtruth Claire Adams

        Tommy Boy, “Successful” might be a stretch – and if you still wish to use that word, then own up to the collateral damage the gov’t takeover caused, which is never measured or discussed by Obama fans:

        How many millions does GM still owe us?
        How much $ did GM shareholders earn when it was taken over by the gov’t?
        How much of the “new” GM went to Labor Unions, and what did THEY earn?
        So taxpayers and shareholders (i.e, mom’s 401K) got screwed and political favors to Big Labor were granted. Oh, I just figured out what success is to liberals: The Manifestation of Big Labor Cronyism.

      • Mike43

        GM shares ownership with the Federal Government. It is no longer a private company, in that sense of the word. And since some people started tracking their closure decisions, it was awfully weighted against Republican community leaders.

        So, GM is an arm of the Obama administration, like it or not.

      • Mike43

        GM shares ownership with the Federal Government. It is no longer a private company, in that sense of the word. And since some people started tracking their closure decisions, it was awfully weighted against Republican community leaders.

        So, GM is an arm of the Obama administration, like it or not.

      • Dawn Rainbow

        Rethugs R for socialism now? Beautiful. Can these clowns ever B 4 anything except oppose O?Every link shows BO never made such a promise, he said plants lie GM would survive wGov’t help. So the “I built it” crowd admitting gov’t can BUILD itThey already closed down in Dec 208 but had some contracts to fulfill whih they finished in April 2009 BUT plant oficially closed under Dubya.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100004098205014 Ben Jones

      You’re right Ramone. Raising taxes on the middle class to eliminate the capital gains tax as The Ryan Plan would do definitely is designed to help working-class, blue-collar Americans.

    • panors77

      I think another factoid that’s getting overlooked here too, is blaming the whole economy on Bush when in 2006 he had a fully dem congress that fought him on all fronts? Even IF the plant had closed in December of 2008 while Bush was in his last month as president….fact remains the dem controlled house and senate are the ones who made it harder to do business in this country. Just sayin…..

      • aaron

        So do you think that it’s the Republican’s fault for the economy now since they have the majority in Congress? Can’t have it both ways, blaming the Democrats for everything.

        • terry

          But the Democrats controlled congress for the first two years and did nothing but push Obama Care through.

          • theneighborhoodguy01

            Terry: Not only couldn’t push it through, they voted Obama’s budget down 97-0 in May, 2011…and 414-0 in the house. They knew if they passed it, there wouldn’t be a Socialist/liberal/Democrat left in the senate.

            Ryan’s budget was voted down 57-40…so what does that tell you? Obama’s ideas and budgets received not even 1 vote…while he controlled the senate. wow.

          • Mr. Fusion

            It tells me how well Republicans lie. That wasn’t Obama’s budget. It was a Republican poisoned pill budget.

          • weRbroke

            CONGRESS spends the money…2007 Dems took control of the House and Senate and were more then happy to pass a budget chock full of D-onkeycrap.

          • Mr. Fusion

            OK, the “world according to the Republicans”. When can I expect the dancing unicorns to show up?

          • Mr. Fusion

            Actually they didn’t. They controlled the Senate for about three months. Since then the Republicans have been on a filibuster binge.

          • terry

            @Mr. Fusion: You can say it but it doesn’t make it true. Check the facts – Control is still the majority party and the 110th and 111th Congresses were controlled by Democrats.

          • murray

            Do you even have a clue what a fillibuster is? It’s where one that ‘s 1 in case big words are hard for you can hold up indefinatly any item aka bill that requires either 60 or 75% of the members in said house or senate to vote in favor of over riding the fillibuster. It is a tactic used to deny any action coming to a vote, even then some of those require not 51% of the votes but what is called a super majority of 75% approval. some just require 60% approval. Used to have a link saved to the house and senate rules but lost it. You can look it up but fair warning there will be big words.

          • murray

            Do you even have a clue what a fillibuster is? It’s where one that ‘s 1 in case big words are hard for you can hold up indefinatly any item aka bill that requires either 60 or 75% of the members in said house or senate to vote in favor of over riding the fillibuster. It is a tactic used to deny any action coming to a vote, even then some of those require not 51% of the votes but what is called a super majority of 75% approval. some just require 60% approval. Used to have a link saved to the house and senate rules but lost it. You can look it up but fair warning there will be big words.

        • terry

          But the Democrats controlled congress for the first two years and did nothing but push Obama Care through.

        • Paul E Miller Jr

          The Repubs have the majority in the HOUSE. The Dems have the majority in the do nothing Senate–that hasn’t passed a budget in how long now?

          • theneighborhoodguy01

            Paul: It’s amazing how these folks cannot seem to grasp house and senate majorities…remember the grade school movie “How a bill becomes a law”? I offer this as a refresher course for all the morons…and parents named Aaron.

            http://kids.clerk.house.gov/grade-school/lesson.html?intID=17

          • Lola

            Um…because of the record setting 112 filibusters from the Republicans?

      • aaron

        So do you think that it’s the Republican’s fault for the economy now since they have the majority in Congress? Can’t have it both ways, blaming the Democrats for everything.

      • murray

        Yes they foiled the bridge to nowhere, kept bushs feet to the fire to provide better safer equipment to troops. Comparing that to the republicans now saying no to helping save people homes, unemployment, spending in rebuilding bridges so one doesnt fall in the river like in mpls, providing jobs that would help provide for every construction job another 2-3 jobs are created to support that one job in other businesses. But nope republicans in congress and those in the senate in blocking every item that would help the economy just to score points with the uninformed avg republican voter.

        • weRbroke

          The bridge in MN was built under a time when Democrats enjoyed full tilt control LBJ was in office and construction was started in 1964. They were spending like crazy. By the they finished it in 1967, it was somewhat undersized for the time and not at all ready for the future. The failure of that bridge was not upkeep, but design and structural weaknesses to begin with.

          • murray

            The bridge had and inspection, it was recommended that 16 billion be spent fixing it, instead the republicans in MN Gov at the time decided to not fund it and instead to lay down another 300,000 pounds of tarmac to smooth it out. It then failed and was rebuilt by the federal Gov. at a cost of around 300 million. FYI Just listened to a radio interview on americas bridges, lived in and know the pol’s involved and responsible for the deaths. Facts are a loose point with you but not so much with me. The bridge wasn’t ordered under LBJ but was still a part of Eisenhower and his wanting america to have a great interstate hwy system like the autobahn. The full interstate system has yet to be finished even though it was supposed to be done by the early to mid 60’s. I do believe that’s the republican president that tricky dick who was more honest than Ryan or Romney was a vp to. Just an fyi, in case you would like actual facts to work from.

          • weRbroke

            Are you from MN?

          • murray

            The bridge had and inspection, it was recommended that 16 billion be spent fixing it, instead the republicans in MN Gov at the time decided to not fund it and instead to lay down another 300,000 pounds of tarmac to smooth it out. It then failed and was rebuilt by the federal Gov. at a cost of around 300 million. FYI Just listened to a radio interview on americas bridges, lived in and know the pol’s involved and responsible for the deaths. Facts are a loose point with you but not so much with me. The bridge wasn’t ordered under LBJ but was still a part of Eisenhower and his wanting america to have a great interstate hwy system like the autobahn. The full interstate system has yet to be finished even though it was supposed to be done by the early to mid 60’s. I do believe that’s the republican president that tricky dick who was more honest than Ryan or Romney was a vp to. Just an fyi, in case you would like actual facts to work from.

        • weRbroke

          The bridge in MN was built under a time when Democrats enjoyed full tilt control LBJ was in office and construction was started in 1964. They were spending like crazy. By the they finished it in 1967, it was somewhat undersized for the time and not at all ready for the future. The failure of that bridge was not upkeep, but design and structural weaknesses to begin with.

      • Mr. Fusion

        In 2006 the Republicans held both houses in Congress.

        The reason it became harder to do business in this country is because the Republicans have filibustered every bill they could. Two weeks ago they even filibustered a bill to reduce taxes for small business.

        Bush drove the economy into the ditch. The Republicans are keeping it there.

        • Chris Yates

          2007,2008,2009,2010 both houses controlled by Democrats. why would you conveniently ignore this, maybe because it makes the rest of your comments unsupported and irrelevant. That year you mention, 2006, that year and prior were so much better for our country than today, you may have already forgotten from drinking too much KoolAid. 2007 and later is when we started experiencing economic crisis, recession and financial collpase in this country. look it up. In 2007, B Frank took over the House Financial Srvcs committee and C Dodd took over the Senate Banking Committee, the economic meltdown that happened 15 months later was in banking and financial services. The Demos drove the economy into the ditch and then we elected Obama to help keep it there. question is have we figured it out yet, have we wised up to what’s going on? Thanks to idiots like you the lies continue to be spread, hopefully there are still enough people left in this country who are a bit smarter than you and Joe Biden.

          • Mr. Fusion

            I responded to Panors 77. Thus, my post was correct.

            The Democrats might be the majority party, but as I wrote above, you effen ignorant a$$wipes still refuse to accept any responsibility for the Senate Republicans blocking every piece of legislation.

            Secondly, we had the entire Bush II Administration refusing to cooperate with the Democrat Congress. Did you forget how Henry Paulson was telling the House Financial Committee how everything was fine then rushing off to a meeting to try and save Lehman Brothers? The Democrat Committees were denied information by the Treasury.

            Blaming Congress because of the Administration only demonstrates your ignorance of government. Yes, I realize most Home Schoolers don’t get too deep into how our Federal Government is set up. Yes, there is more to the Constitution than the Second Amendment.

            Get a life and quit bothering me with your bull sh1t.

          • weRbroke

            Don’t you get tired of defending Democrats?

          • Mr. Fusion

            Aren’t you tired of being a stooge for the unber wealthy? Doesn’t the constant lying give you any qualms?

          • weRbroke

            You didn’t answer my question. Don’t you get tired of defending OBLAMO and his vague promises and pandering?

          • murray

            You do realize that the meltdown was in the pipeline since 2001 when after 9/11 we had a false recovery with next to 0 jobs created and the lack of oversight of wall street by the sec and paulson allowed for the false vision of a good economy that was only good so long as there was still a line of credit left on the visa card. The taxcuts, two wars, the perscription plan that gave 15 billion to drug companies while not controlling costs blew the budget, squandered the 2 trillion in surpluses and further drove the debt that was counted up by 2 trillion not including the nearly 5 trillion in costs of the two unfunded wars. 5 trillion of the debt under obama is bushes two wars added to the books, add to that the costs of those wars still going is another 3-5 trillion depending how who’s information you are looking at. Debt spending under dem presidents has been lower than any republican since Nixon.

          • murray

            You do realize that the meltdown was in the pipeline since 2001 when after 9/11 we had a false recovery with next to 0 jobs created and the lack of oversight of wall street by the sec and paulson allowed for the false vision of a good economy that was only good so long as there was still a line of credit left on the visa card. The taxcuts, two wars, the perscription plan that gave 15 billion to drug companies while not controlling costs blew the budget, squandered the 2 trillion in surpluses and further drove the debt that was counted up by 2 trillion not including the nearly 5 trillion in costs of the two unfunded wars. 5 trillion of the debt under obama is bushes two wars added to the books, add to that the costs of those wars still going is another 3-5 trillion depending how who’s information you are looking at. Debt spending under dem presidents has been lower than any republican since Nixon.

    • panors77

      I think another factoid that’s getting overlooked here too, is blaming the whole economy on Bush when in 2006 he had a fully dem congress that fought him on all fronts? Even IF the plant had closed in December of 2008 while Bush was in his last month as president….fact remains the dem controlled house and senate are the ones who made it harder to do business in this country. Just sayin…..

    • Donald Hunter Rasmussen

      The GM plant in Janesville closed on December 23rd, 2008 while GWBush was President. That’s a fact, not a fine point.

      • weRbroke

        FEb 2010–The Janesville GM plant effectively closed in December 2008 when it ended production of full-size sport utility vehicles. Several months later, it found itself in a three-plant race for production of a new small vehicle.(they continued until April of 2009 on Isuzu mentioned in another article)
        That incentive-laden race ended in June, when GM awarded the new line of small cars to a plant in Orion, Mich.
        Michigan interests reportedly wooed GM with a package worth $779 million.
        A $195 million offering from Wisconsin and a Tennessee package that included $20 million in training and education money plus long-term tax breaks fell short.
        That put the GM plants in Janesville and Spring Hill into what GM referred to as “standby” mode. The two plants are at the top of the list should GM ever need assembly capacity.
        The Janesville and Spring Hill plants do not belong to “Liquidation Motors, Inc.,” the chunk of the old GM that’s being sold. Instead, the two plants are part of the new GM and are eligible for future production.
        GM is in short supply of some of its best-selling vehicles, including the Chevrolet Equinox, Buick LaCrosse, Cadillac SRX as well as full-size pickup trucks and sports utility vehicles such as the Chevy Tahoe that was built in Janesville before production transferred to Arlington, Texas.
        Reuss said Saturday it’s possible that demand could be met with added shifts and overtime, but he indicated the company is leaning toward reopening a plant that was closed as GM went though bankruptcy last year.
        He said if a shuttered U.S. plant reopens, it would operate in a more flexible, innovative way.–
        http://gazettextra.com/news/2010/feb/16/reopening-gm-plant-still-longshot/
        Politics and big business are JERKING those people around…the NEW GM used those “shuttered” plants as bargining chips with state governments, all while being under the FEDs watchful tooling. Re-tool indeed.

    • Scott Jamieson

      Well, if that’s what he meant, he’s wrong. Obama’s policies are working.

      Look, when the crash hit in 2008, economists agreed there could be no quick recovery, that a full recovery would take more than a decade.

      Republicans keep saying they want to “turn the economy around,” and that’s exactly what they mean. Every economic indicator there is tells us we’ve had 3 1/2 years of steady improvement under Obama. Republicans want to do a u-turn and take us back to the disastrous policies that caused the Bush Recession in the first place.

      By the way, where was Bush during the convention? Did his invitation get lost in the mail?

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100004098205014 Ben Jones

    GM is Alive, Bin Laden is Dead.
    Wassup Michelle Malkin?

    • chuckawala

      The GM in Janesville isn’t looking too lively.

      And who needs Bin Laden when we’ve got Obama in the White

      House continually trashing our Constitution & ignoring the rule of law.

  • http://www.facebook.com/bretwier Bret Ellis Wier

    The Janesville GM plant stopped producing SUV’s on 12/23/08 but ontinued to produce Isuzu Trucks until June of 2009.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/​Janesville_GM_Assembly_Plant

    • tommyboy14

      sigh…..

      BUT WAS SCHEDULED IN 2008 BY GM TO CLOSE BY 2010!!!

      WHICH IT DID!!!!

      Its fate was already set by GM execs!!!!

      The company was after about a billion in savings with plant shutdowns.

      • Darkstar1661

        So its probably a place Obama shouldn’t choose to go to and imply he will have his Government keep it open for the next 100 years, is it?

        Empty meaningless pandering for the sole purpose of duping desperate people about to lose their jobs into voting for him – or Obama failed to keep it open like he implied to them he would. Which is it?

      • weRbroke

        SIGH. So companies NEVER change their slates?

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100004098205014 Ben Jones

      Good post and nice link buddy:

      “Wikipedia does not have an article with this exact name.”

  • Randal Redder

    “If you build it, he will come” – liberals: “WHAT THAT WASNT A PROMISE SHOW ME IN THE QUOTE WERE THERE WAS A PROMISE”… Now I’m starting to realize how Politifact writers think.

  • Andrew C Eden-Balfour
    • http://profiles.google.com/mudslag Josh W

      Get those facts out of here.

    • n2sooners

      The title Politifact uses is factually false, so how can you trust anything they say?

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Maliheh-Banoo/100001527498988 Maliheh Banoo

    Ryan did say tonight janesville plant closed under obama,it closed under bush

    • Darkstar1661

      So why then would Obama give a speech there implying he would help them retool to stay open another 100 years?

      …was it really nothing more then blatant empty pandering by Obama in an attempt to try and gain votes from desperate people about to lose their jobs? That seems much worse then if Obama had actually honestly tried to retool it and failed…

  • Love of Country

    You know where all the liberals got the notion that Paul Ryan lied?

    MSNBC ….. right after the speech Matthews and O’Donnell and Mancow were saying he lied about who was president when this occured.

    It’s sad how many hundreds of America hating stooges (racists) get their “news” from MSNBC. All that network wants in the world is a race, class, gender, religious and generational war in this country because they think that is the only way to get Dinglebarry Owebamao re-elected ….. unbelievable!

  • walt kovacs

    and what did ryan do to try and keep the plant open?

    • n2sooners

      Ryan didn’t make any claims about keeping the plant open for the next hundred years.

    • Darkstar1661

      Paid taxes.

      If Obama was honest in his implied-promise pandering to have his Government help retool the plant, that is all it would have taken to keep it open “for another 100 years”.

      …or are you saying Ryan was wrong to believe Obama’s words on the matter?

  • EverybodyTalks

    Did he lie about 23 million struggling to find work? Did he lie about 1 out of 6 Americans in poverty? Let’s concentrate people…

  • Colleen

    DON’T LIBERALS/OBAMA CHEERLEADERS PAY ATTENTION?? You liberals are so desperate its funny as hell!! Thank GOD people are onto your slanderous spew! Try to defend your dictators record…ohhh you can’t! Well then you have nothing honest or of valuable to say! Go help push chris mathews or madcows page into the double digits! They’ll just eat up the garbage coming out of your mouths!

  • chuckawala

    Me Thinks The Liberal Establishment Doeth Protest Too Much.

    Love Obama, or hate Obama, you don’t know Obama.

    2016 Obama’s America

    http://www.bigscreen.com/NowShowing.php?movie=137390&view=sched

  • http://timpanogos.wordpress.com/ Ed Darrell

    Obama said the plant could stay open “if the government is there to support you.” Paul Ryan has voted against almost every point of that support required to get the plant up and running again. Ryan’s like the kid who murdered his parents, and then asked for mercy from the court because he was an orphan.

    So somebody tell us: Where in Ryan’s economic plan is there anything that will get the plant open again? Nowhere.

    Obama’s working on it. Ryan is blocking the necessary action.

  • Richard Voss

    Rupublicans theme, repeat a lie enough it becomes the truth. Ruthless demigods at work here. The GM board of directors voted to close the Janesville plant 1 month after Obama visited there. In June of 2008! Get anal and nit-pick all you want fact is Ryan isn’t stupid and knew he was lying..but he is used to it. Forget the intent or the fact he saved the auto industry in the US and 1 million jobs in the process. By the way the Janesville plant is on standby with the Tennessee plant which is being activated in the spring, thanks to Obama GM is here to do it. Petty bickering around the big picture is for petty people. SO have at it all you small minded Repubican lemmings.

  • digitalPimple

    Ryan was right. He was making a point of Obama’s “hope” talk and how it does not line up with reality.

    The liberals are just stretching because they are trying to hold on to any GM positives they can… Even as they destroyed and liquidated American workers pensions in the “Obama GM BK” process they still want to believe it was an overwhelming success.

    The fact is that the overall situation was possibly made worse with GOV intervention. The problems that existed in the first place where not properly addressed, just heavily funded to live on for another day. Bad management, bad contracts, ect…

    It was simply a union payoff not some huge “caring for the workers” moment Obama would like everyone to believe.

    Obama and his staff can not be trusted on situations of this size and complexity. I’m sorry, this sort of thing is so outside the mans skill set we would be better served by using a Magic 8-ball. Period.

  • http://twitter.com/Stimulus4U Marty Luther

    Maybe it’s too early in the morning for me to get this: They are defending Obama by arguing about a plant that he chose to visit and make promises to–which then closed? Did he tell them–“Hey, too bad I’m not President yet, so you’re screwed?” I’ll have to read more. #coffee

  • Paul C.

    The whole Obama team lies, what do you expect “birds of a feather flock together.”

  • J.N. Ashby

    Well, to be fair, GM should’ve failed outright.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Kibashi-Siyoto/1472847424 Kibashi Siyoto

    Obama said “IF the government supports…” the plant would stay open. The Bush administration did not support, and the plant closing was announced that fall. Over 90% of the work force was laid off in December 2008 before Obama was inaugurated. As part of the planned shutdown, the remaining workers finished up the Isuzu contract and closed up the plant and in June 2009 they were laid off, only a very small maintenance staff remains.

    Everybody had known for years the plant was in trouble because it produced gas guzzlers, the gas price rise of 2008 was the final straw. (Are you going to blame that on Obama?) Obama correctly identified the problem when he said the plant should be re-tooled to produce more fuel efficient cars.

  • Nick Munyat

    It was announced that GM planned to close the plant under Bush, and lack of demand for SUVs – due to gas prices and fewer people buying new cars – and it ceased production of the SUVs on Dec. 23, 2008. There was a “skeleton crew” operating to finish making some Isuzu vehicles until June, 2009. Regardless, the closure wasn’t supposed to be permanent, and yet it is still closed – after Obama’s admin “bailed out” GM and caused the closures of hundreds of GM dealerships and production facilities.

  • Mike Mark Sopp

    Is it possible that the plant was fulfilling its last contract?

  • Michael Cooper

    So…even if you want to blame Obama doesn’t letting plants close fit with Romney’s vision? Mitt Romney: ‘Let Detroit Go Bankrupt’ ?

    • Darkstar1661

      you dont understand a free-market very well, do you?

      In a non-communist move, GM would have gone bankrupt, been forced to retool themselves or been purchased by another company who would retool them, and then focus on the money-making aspects of the company while ignoring the money pits and waste that caused the bankruptcy in the first place.

      That doesnt mean no Chevy – it just means no Chevy Volt, which they lose money on even in the rare instances where they manage to sell one to some sucker. It means a focus on the plants which make SUVs (like the plant in question) would be key to their recovery because that is what they actually sell and where they make their money.

      Obama coming in, having Government buy the company, replacing the guy in charge with his personal guy, shutting down a bunch of dealerships, ignoring all the real problems which had GM going bankrupt in the first place though, forcing them to focus on cars no one wants while limiting their production of their bread and butter… well, that is called stupid and will do nothing more then ensure another bankruptcy in the future (which surprise, surprise, GM is to be in the exact same boat again in the next year or two)

      Obama putting a band-aid on a shark-bite isnt doing anything other then giving the simplest minds among us the impression he can fix a thing while he is actually making the problem much, much worse. Going bankrupt on the other hand, is generally exactly what a horribly run company needs to force them to change into a self-sustaining entity

  • Kevin Koehler

    http://www.politifact.com/wisconsin/statements/2012/aug/29/paul-ryan/did-barack-obama-break-promise-keep-gm-plant-open/ “So, the plant closed while Bush was still in office, about a month before Obama was inaugurated.” This is from a polifact that shows that it the plant was slated to close under Bush.

    • precursor

      If you do further research…the plant closed in June of 2009…thanks to Obama.

  • orringtonmom (D)

    ryan never said obama closed the plant. what he did say, however, is that promises were broken. empty words of hope were extended to the people in that factory. it still closed. sure, dots need to be connected. obama did close the plant, but he didn’t help it stay open like he promised. “here’s your slice of hope and change, plant workers! doh, psych!”

  • MarcAllenJohnson

    Ryan should have said that they could build the Volt there.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_4T74Z22EI6YP6HRUDBMFKLFOJU JonInVa

    Libs never comprehend the substance of a remark because they are too busy trying to think up a counter-attack. It is absolutely clear that Ryan was talking about how Obama basically promised that with Government assistance, that factory (already slated to close) would in fact, not have to close, and would be there for another 100 years. That was the point – all rhetoric from Obama and the fact that Government won’t solve 99% of the real issues businesses face. The blame was never on Obama for the factory closing, but for getting those workers hopes up with false promises of salvation based on a narrative of Government help which in the end, did not come to pass. The plant closed and that was that.

  • GTFOBigGovt

    OBAMA TOLD A BUNCH OF LIES TO JANESVILLE. LIKE “And the main difference between my plan and Senator Clinton’s plan is that she’d require the government to force you to buy health insurance and she said she’d ‘go after’ your wages if you don’t. Well I believe the reason people don’t have health care isn’t because no one’s forced them to buy it, it’s because no one’s made it affordable – and that’s what we’ll do when I am President.”
    http://www.cfr.org/us-election-2008/obamas-speech-janesville-wisconsin/p15492

  • MonicaE

    Your still a liar about Obama, you never mention that every chance Congress had to pass a job bill, the Republican Congress never passed it nor have they passed a job’s bill in 2 years since it becoming a majority full of ‘do nothing’ Republicans! Every state that is occupied by a Republican governor or state legislature are making sure to end state unemployment benefit before 99 months and end healthcare benefits in those states as well. American workers in the public and even private sector as per pensions and other benefits in those states are being strangled. Unions collective bargaining for lower wages is what it’s all about in states that give tax breaks for the corporate sector yet higher tax increases per incomes of the middle to lower income working Americans. Tell me again, who is at fault here, TWITCHY??? OBAMA 2012

  • patricia walker

    Obama came in and lied to these auto workers and “promised” as their President he would keep their plant open another 100 years..the plant went idle in June 2009 which was in Obama’s Presidential leadership..maybe some people should read the history of a company before saying something..once again a promise made my Obama that he did not keep just to get votes to win an election

  • http://uscommonsense.net/blog/ US Common Sense

    Ok, I’m officially confused.

    Obama’s campaign is saying that Ryan lied because the plant was closed in 2008. They Romney/Ryan backers say that’s false, that the plant closed in June 2009. And twitchy cites a National Review article saying, “Before Obama was sworn in, the Janesville plant closed in late 2008, eliminating 6,000 jobs.”

    So which is it? Did the plant close in 2008 or 2009? This article needs better clarification.

  • Joe Robinson

    Sucks when evern Fox News is calling out Paul Ryan and all his lies.

    http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/08/30/paul-ryans-speech-in-three-words/

    Paul Ryan actually believes the American People are this stupid. He’s nothing but a liar who will do anything to gain power.

    Ain’t happening Lyan Ryan.

    • precursor

      Obama and MSNBC are the liars. The plant closed in June of 2009.

      You should research before you spew.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/VFJQ6CMWLBDDPV5QJWVTQQUYRI Robert

        But if he did that what kind of fun would we have? Nothing brightens my day than laughing at liberal idiots.

  • precursor

    Sad fact is…GM still owes taxpayers 30+ billion dollars and they are getting ready to file for bankruptcy anyway. Obama put 1000’s of people OUT of work when he shut down GM/Chevy dealerships.

    They also bilked Delphi pensioners out of millions of dollars of benefits..and left bondholders empty handed. Again….the Obama way.

    That’s the democrat way…broke, poor and unemployed. That’s the Obama way.

  • Guest
    • http://profile.yahoo.com/VFJQ6CMWLBDDPV5QJWVTQQUYRI Robert

      I guess that pretty much settles the argument. Score, Ryan and America 1, obozo 0.

  • Samuel Dijk

    Everyone seems to be using a truncated, shorten version of what Obama said in his speech.

    Let me give you the full quote:

    “But in the last few years, something extraordinary has happened. Thanks to the leadership of Governor Doyle and Mayor Kevin Crawford, Manitowoc has re-trained its workers and attracted new businesses and new jobs. Orion Energy Systems works with companies to reduce their electricity use and carbon emissions. And Tower Tech is now making wind turbines that are being sold all over the world. Hundreds of people have found new work, and unemployment has been cut in half.

    “This can be America’s future. I know that General Motors received some bad news yesterday, and I know how hard your Governor has fought to keep jobs in this plant. But I also know how much progress you’ve made – how many hybrids and fuel-efficient vehicles you’re churning out. And I believe that if our government is there to support you, and give you the assistance you need to re-tool and make this transition, that this plant will be here for another hundred years. The question is not whether a clean energy economy is in our future, it’s where it will thrive. I want it to thrive right here in the United States of America; right here in Wisconsin; and that’s the future I’ll fight for as your President.
    “My energy plan will invest $150 billion over ten years to establish a green energy sector that will create up to 5 million new jobs over the next two decades – jobs that pay well and can’t be outsourced. We’ll also provide funding to help manufacturers convert to green technology and help workers learn the skills they need for these jobs.”

    So Obama praised the green energy leadership of the Democrats–talked about the new jobs created, promised this could be “America’s future”–I don’t think I going to far if I infer that he means if he gets elected. Then, after saying, “I believe that if our government is there to support you, and give you the assistance you need to re-tool and make this transition, that this plant will be here for another hundred years.” He than states that his administration would “provide funding to help manufacturers convert to green technology.”

    This may not be a “promise” if you only mean statement like “I promise to pay you back Thursday,” but any reasonable person would deduce from his speech that if Obama were elected, the plant would stay open another hundred years.

    • weRbroke

      thanks for adding context…it adds more clarity.

  • Jefferson Tea Party
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  • BeeKaaay

    Obama lied, jobs died. Spread the word.

  • BeeKaaay

    Obama lied, jobs died. Spread the word.

  • slick_rick

    For those saying the plant closed in 2009…

    http://mediamatters.org/blog/2012/08/30/cnns-ari-fleischer-fails-at-fact-checking-janes/189659

    “But fact-checkers have already factored that evidence into their analysis. According to PolitiFact, which pointed out that the plant did in fact close before Obama took office, “Several dozen workers stayed on another four months to finish an order of small- to medium-duty trucks for Isuzu Motors.” “

  • slick_rick

    For those saying the plant closed in 2009…

    http://mediamatters.org/blog/2012/08/30/cnns-ari-fleischer-fails-at-fact-checking-janes/189659

    “But fact-checkers have already factored that evidence into their analysis. According to PolitiFact, which pointed out that the plant did in fact close before Obama took office, “Several dozen workers stayed on another four months to finish an order of small- to medium-duty trucks for Isuzu Motors.” “

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/LVBV54PK6UKA7BYDRTBLJLGQR4 Randi

    Ah, but note their use of “slated to close”. That’s the basis of their quibble.

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/LVBV54PK6UKA7BYDRTBLJLGQR4 Randi

    Ah, but note their use of “slated to close”. That’s the basis of their quibble.

  • http://pennyrobinsonfanclub.net/ Penny Robinson Fan Club

    Hey there, Bottom Boy Josh! Since you are obviously the expert on parsing out pronouncements from on high, would you care to share with us any actual PROMISES Sock Puppet made?

    • AMERICAN Kafir™(KAdams)

      And kept.

      “Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!”

    • AMERICAN Kafir™(KAdams)

      And kept.

      “Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!”

  • http://pennyrobinsonfanclub.net/ Penny Robinson Fan Club

    Hey there, Bottom Boy Josh! Since you are obviously the expert on parsing out pronouncements from on high, would you care to share with us any actual PROMISES Sock Puppet made?

  • Streetiebird

    He still implied that it was Obama’s fault. That’s a lie in my book. And this was the smallest lie in his speech by the way. The lies about Medicare, our debt, the nation’s credit rating, and spending under Obama were much bigger fibs.

    • AMERICAN Kafir™(KAdams)

      Yes, and Obama implied that with a gov’t handout, that plant would remain open.

      Obama’s lie about reducing the deficit in half is a much bigger fib.

    • AMERICAN Kafir™(KAdams)

      Yes, and Obama implied that with a gov’t handout, that plant would remain open.

      Obama’s lie about reducing the deficit in half is a much bigger fib.

    • Darkstar1661

      pointing out the lie of someone else isnt itself a lie.

      Obama either blatantly lied or failed miserably on his very specific implied promise to those workers to keep their plant open for another 100 years. Ryan merely pointed that out. (and didn’t even say which; Obama is a failure or a liar – he left that open for us to decide)

      What you want to do is shoot the messenger because you don’t like the message – the tactic generally employed the last 4 years by Obama and his supporters to avoid all responsibility for anything and everything.

      • Streetiebird

        Wow sorry, so they lost their jobs after the disastrous Bush economy and Obama gave them a little bit of false hope. The other lies in the Ryan speech were much worse, such as the $700 billion “stolen” that Ryan had in his latest “path to prosperity”, the lies about the debt under Obama, etc…

        But hey, I’m just the messenger, don’t shoot me if you don’t like Ryan’s lies.

        • Darkstar1661

          no, actually they lost their jobs because GM was a horrifically run company – and more will lose their jobs in the near future when Obama’s pay-off money is all gone and the same uncorrected errors again result in bankruptcy. (its only about 1 year away now, so it wont be a long wait…)

          But the fact is Obama came to that plant to pander before they lost their jobs and said that his Government will work to retool their plant and keep it open another 100 years. Didnt happen…

          The plant stopped its last production in June of 2009 – months after Obama took office, months after the bailout even, and more then 2 years after Democrats had taken both the House and Senate anyway, so they could have been doing Obama’s bidding in 2008 anyway. June 2009 would have been an ideal time to “retool”, as Obama had stated – but nope, didnt happen…

          The plant now sits idle, ready for its long-overdue “retooling” he talked about. 4 years later, still hasnt happened…

          As far as the other so-called “lies” you cling to
          – Obama DID cut 715 billion; and in fact, here is a video of him saying as much:
          http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=t5Ha7RNpn24#!
          – the debt has been raised by more then 5 Trillion in merely one short term of Obama. Factcheck.org months ago debunked the Democrat nonsense on that issue:
          http://www.factcheck.org/2012/02/dueling-debt-deceptions/

          How you figure these things are lies… well, it just shows your blind, illogical partisanship I guess. Clearly, they are not lies though – unless it is Obama and Factcheck.org you are accusing of doing the lying, I guess…

          Lastly, I love Ryans statements; they are the pure truth and perfectly said. Why the heck would I shoot you because you choose to be led around on a leash by a failed president doing anything he can to try and keep relevancy, and the panicking media that carry his water? Your attacks on Ryan for saying truths you so clearly desperately don’t want to hear is the only messenger shooting around here…

  • Streetiebird

    He still implied that it was Obama’s fault. That’s a lie in my book. And this was the smallest lie in his speech by the way. The lies about Medicare, our debt, the nation’s credit rating, and spending under Obama were much bigger fibs.

  • Andrew Knoll

    The initial tweet is correct, the plant was slated to shut down by the time Obama took office. Was one to expect a president to intercede after the fact for a privately owned factory? That seems unprecedented. Energy policy is a long-term goal and one that any forward-thinking member of either party would acknowledge as a necessity, although they may have their own approach.

    I’m not going to split hairs over semantics here. The reality is that both critiques are valid. Obama made plenty of promises he did not keep, perhaps more than your average first-term president. Ryan has also fudged numbers and facts, perhaps more than your average challenging candidate. To say one is telling the truth and the other is lying is a sure sign of partisanship and disingenuousness.

    • Darkstar1661

      “Was one to expect a president to intercede after the fact for a privately owned factory? That seems unprecedented”

      That is specifically what he said when he gave the pandering, implied promise of: “I believe that if our government is there to support you…”

      Ironically, it is exactly what he did too – buying the company operating
      the plant, shutting down dealerships everywhere, replacing the guy in
      charge with his guy instead, telling them they needed to focus on what
      “the people want” like the non-selling Volts and ignore what “they
      dont”, like bread-and-butter-making SUVs (like the plant made) and then
      acting like he somehow saved the company which is (not surprisingly) on
      the verge of bankruptcy again

  • Orangeone

    And the Ford plant closed in Saint Paul. It wasn’t saved by the stimulus either. Yet those union idiots will stump for O’Bambi again.

  • Calorus

    http://www.bizjournals.com/milwaukee/stories/2008/06/02/daily9.html

    It’s very simple.

    The plant closed under Obama.

    The plant was closed under Bush.

    The closure of the plant happened under Obama.
    The decision to close the plant happened under Bush.

    The Truth Team are technically accurate, because the plant was SLATED to close under Bush.

    • weRbroke

      but Obammer said HIS government would re-tool them and keep them open for 100 years. “VOTE for ME” The waters will recede the planet will heal and everyone will prosper……………………………………………………………………….. off the labor of the “you didn’t built that” business owners.

      • Calorus

        Obama may be a liar, but he didn’t lie here and Paul Ryan technically didn’t either.

        Paul Ryan said something that was true, with the intention of implying something that wasn’t true.

        I don’t care who says what, but I care that it’s dealt with honestly and fairly, but in this instance Ryan didn’t do that.

        • Darkstar1661

          See, that is just not true.

          In actuality, Ryan implied nothing what so ever either way and instead left it completely up to the listener to decide – Obama either Blatantly Lied in a pure pandering move when he said he would help them retool to keep it open for 100 years (which could still happen today since the plant isnt even gone and instead merely in hibernation), or Failed Miserably to do what he claimed

          It can only be one or the other, and Ryan himself did absolutely nothing other then bring up this very personal (for him) situation which affected his friends and his community.

        • Darkstar1661

          See, that is just not true.

          In actuality, Ryan implied nothing what so ever either way and instead left it completely up to the listener to decide – Obama either Blatantly Lied in a pure pandering move when he said he would help them retool to keep it open for 100 years (which could still happen today since the plant isnt even gone and instead merely in hibernation), or Failed Miserably to do what he claimed

          It can only be one or the other, and Ryan himself did absolutely nothing other then bring up this very personal (for him) situation which affected his friends and his community.

      • Calorus

        Obama may be a liar, but he didn’t lie here and Paul Ryan technically didn’t either.

        Paul Ryan said something that was true, with the intention of implying something that wasn’t true.

        I don’t care who says what, but I care that it’s dealt with honestly and fairly, but in this instance Ryan didn’t do that.

  • scecil

    Ryan is very well aware of all the details and dates of the multi-step Janesville GM closing. It’s his district and he faught hard to keep it open. Personally I think government can’t force something to remain open — green revolution was starting to make SUVs unfashionable. Was Ryan supposed to spend his whole convention speach discussing the history and timeline and issues regarding the Janesville GM closure. He’s “a liar” because he didn’t?
    Ryan was making a point — candidate Obama stood in front of those workers in that struggling/closing plant making false promises to those struggling plant workers that if government comes in and helps them retool, then the plant will be around for another 100 years. That is the point. Typical flowery Obama campaign rhetoric.
    Followed up by this statement:
    “I will lead an effort to retool plants like the GM facility in Janesville so we can build the fuel-efficient cars of tomorrow and create good-paying jobs in Wisconsin and all across America,” an Obama campaign statement from 2008 reads.
    So, should we vote for Obama in 2012 and expect he will then start making “efforts”.

  • submandave

    But BHO is keeping his promise. Under his economic leadership the plant will BE there another hundred years, but only because no one will be able to replace it with another business that will actually be OPEN and employing others.

  • skeels12

    Wow… Obama Lied ?? For reals …. come on people, the first thing after Paul’s speech on MSNBC was a call for Obama campaign to ” Make him out to be the liar that he is and fast. Because he’s a good speaker.” Just watch the coverage last night. I tell on lie..

  • aaron

    i think everyone needs to read the full story. This plant was due to close in 2010, but that decision was made back in June of ’08. The goverment can’t, and didn’t, make the decision to close any particular locations, but GM made the decision on their own, BEFORE Obama was elected or the stimulus occured:
    http://www.jsonline.com/business/29419799.html

    • Darkstar1661

      which is why Obama saying his government will help retool it and keep it open for another 100 years was either pitiful, blatantly untruthful, pandering, or he actually attempted to do just that when he took over GM and failed miserably.

      Ryan never said which of the two is the case, and instead merely gave a very personal story that affected his friends and community – he left that conclusion up to us to decide. One of the two is the case though; Obama lied to those people that day in an attempt to get their vote, or he failed to do what he said.

      So, is he a liar or a failure? Ryan left that choice up to you…

  • aaron

    i think everyone needs to read the full story. This plant was due to close in 2010, but that decision was made back in June of ’08. The goverment can’t, and didn’t, make the decision to close any particular locations, but GM made the decision on their own, BEFORE Obama was elected or the stimulus occured:
    http://www.jsonline.com/business/29419799.html

  • BruceMichaelGrant

    Distraction. Whether it’s a lie or the truth (and it’s the truth) is becoming such a discussion that Obama’s original broken promises are lost in the debate.

  • Wigglesworth111

    Obama lied, the GM plant died.

  • g_______cl

    What a joke. President Obama did not promise or guarantee anything directly. Obama said he believed in the chance that factory would be around for another 100 years. Not promised. Not guaranteed. His promise was to keep a generational value in tact. One that unfortunately cannot be protected… why, because of politics. Everyone should READ his speech (a link is provided after all, and discredits this entire discussion) and realize this article is doing exactly what it set out to do… fuel the lie fire.

    • Joe W.

      “You didn’t build that…”…..Just like he didn’t say THIS, Pea Brain?? Clean your liberal ears out, pal. Obama said it…Obama meant it…Obama OWNS it….

    • Darkstar1661

      …soooo, which part of the Ryan speech was the lie that sent the Left into a unhinged frenzy calling him a liar then? The part where he said Obama gave a speech there (and quoted the actual speech), or the part where he said the plant didnt last another year after the speech?

      See, the Left wants to say Ryan “implied” Obama Lied (or Failed, but they they conveniently leave that possibility out) – but they also want to claim Obama never actually “promised” anything when he said:

      “I believe that if our government is there to support you, and give you
      the assistance you need to re-tool and make this transition, that this
      (General Motors) plant will be here for another hundred years,”
      and later:
      “As president, I will lead an effort to retool plants like the GM facility in Janesville”

      Obama blatantly pandering to get votes from desperate people about to lose their jobs, implying (and even saying) he will do something, is not a promise or guarantee – but Ryan merely telling a personal story that affected his community and friends is Ryan lying somehow…

      Oh, and people pointing out Ryan never lied and that Obama did either Lie or Fail when he was out pandering – well, those people are “fuel(ing) the lie fire”; as opposed to the media running around screaming Ryan is a Liar for telling a very truthful personal story.

  • PDQuig

    The first step in curing a problem is admitting to yourself that you have a problem. Well, I have a problem. Here is my problem: the left in this country are a bunch of unhinged f*cking morons who will do anything and say anything to cling to power.

    There. I admitted that I have a problem. Now I can continue on to the cure: to throw every last one of the lying sacks of sh*t out of office and to downsize or destroy the cultural organizations and institutions that sustain these sick @ssholes (academia, public schools, most of government).

    I feel better already.

  • weRbroke

    I was reminded of the first time we were introduced to the nature of voting for our class reps…
    7th grade, everyone voted for the one that ran on BETTER LUNCHES and LESS HOMEWORK. for VP, they voted for his/her BF and the sec/atres was whoever got the best grades in math.
    By 9th grade, they were still voting for the one running on BETTER LUNCHES and LESS HOMEWORK, but, they no longer wanted someone interested in keeping track of the actual money…but a secretary/CREDITIOR that wouldn’t make them pay their class dues.
    12th grade, they voted for the GUY with the best smile, the GIRL with prettiest eyes and for sec/creditor, the cheerleader that wore the mascot costume. We almost didn’t have a senior class trip and we never had a positive balance in our acct after the ninth grade, until two weeks prior to our trip departure.
    To this day, there is NOTHING in our class treasury. The officers are tasked with contacting for reunions and mailing out notices on their own dime and BEGGING for any donations they can get.

  • Immir

    Ryan did nothing but lie over and over, it was a disgusting performance. This is the best the GOP can do?

    • Darkstar1661

      can we have even one actual lie, or is this just like the whole “racist” and “sexist” and “islamaphobic” (and on and on) thing where the Left hears something truthful they don’t want to hear and frantically go into ranting, kicking and screaming, name-calling mode?

  • tifosies

    The plant may have been open until sometime in ’09, but there’s a huge picture of tons of workers standing with a sign: “Last Vehicle off the Janesville Assembly Line” dated 12-23-08. It closed production BEFORE Obama came in office. period.

  • adam smith

    You guys are complete idiots for blaming Obama. First of all, stop calling him other names. Did you hear us call Bush “Bushy” “Bushwhacker” “Bushman” or anything stupid like that? No, so stop doing it to Obama. It’s obviously because you’re racist rednecks.

    Second, the plant was set to close no matter what under Bush. It was happening no matter what. Obama made some grand speech about wanting to be there for them to keep it open, but it didn’t happen. Get over it. But it wasn’t Obama’s leadership that closed the plant. It was Bush’s.

    • Dan Cooper

      Actually, YES, we DID hear you call Bush all sorts of names (“shrub” among them, the rest I don’t dare repeat on a public forum; I was brought up better than that), we SAW you burn and lynch him in effigy, we WATCHED you protest him even AFTER he left office. And, you played the race card. Your argument is invalid.

  • Jeff Brown

    Obama made no ‘promise’ to keep the plant open. ‘Twitchy Staff’ is lying, pure and simple.

    • Darkstar1661

      just as he made no ‘promise’ to create jobs, fix the economy, cut the deficit, work to help all people other then just his friends, etc… in actuality, he has possibly never said the word “promise”, so he likely has never broken a single one over his entire career. All he ever did was suggest he might possibly do stuff, and that is something he should never, ever, ever be held accountable on, apparently…

      Obama, the man who has apparently never done a thing wrong, and can never be held accountable on anything because he never took a hard stance in his life. Now that’s a man to trust right there…

  • jetch

    they need to put out an ad showing that part of obama’s speech where he makes the promise! fact checkers can’t dispute obama’s own words.
    those words really are damning because they’re relevant today. in 2012, obama’s essentially saying the same thing, but to different people in different towns…

    • Darkstar1661

      ” fact checkers can’t dispute obama’s own words.”

      …oh but they try. Wow, how they try…

  • http://twitter.com/ReefChic7 Writer Jen

    Can you guys fact check on this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXOa6-hewAA&feature=player_embedded Was looking for a contact button but haven’t found it yet. New to the site. :)

  • http://www.facebook.com/MaryMNeely Mary Neely

    The Republicans did nothing to help our economy for the last two years and now they want us to “TRUST THEM” to make it better. Sorry, I was born 66 years ago and I will not fall for that one.

    • Darkstar1661

      They have passed many jobs bills (at least 17) which Harry Reid absolutely refuses to even bring up for a vote in the Senate, fearing they might actually pass – how exactly can they do anything when the Senate and President refuse to even hear a word they say?

      Democrats were in control of the House and Senate from 2006 to 2010, both before and after the collapse. They added the Presidency in 2008 and had full, completely unrestrained control of all three branches for the two years of their so-called “recovery”. They, of course, spent the entire time trying to pass health care (without any input what so ever from even a single Republican) and ignored jobs completely, but they could have focused on it had they chose to – they just didn’t…

      During the 2010 elections Republicans flooded the state governments though, and since then every state which handed Republicans control has seen solid to drastic improvement while the rest of the country is still stalled out.

      So yeah, you stand strong and refuse to “fall for that one” as you instead apparently “trust” the Democrats who have done just short of nothing at all the last 6 years other then pass political agenda bills, call people names and try to blame anything and everything other then their party for anything and everything they choose to whine about.

  • murray

    Wow you are a liar. It was slated to close Obama never said he’d keep it open but work to save the auto industry as a whole. Remember willard has said hed have let them all close down. Ryan did lie in fact he had more lies than Nixons I am not a crook speech on tv. The plant was slated to close before Obama was sworn in. That is a fact, i know its hard as facts have yet to play into a republican strategy whether fake terrorist plots in 04 and 08, to the continuing lies against Obama.

  • http://twitter.com/StewieBusiness My name is Stewie

    It was GM who shut down GM’s plant in 2008, as reported in their 2008 financials. The wind up was to take about a year. During 2009 every remaining worker knew they were losing their jobs.

    Obama’s “100 year” quote implied that if GM could use the tools provided by government to keep the plant open, as an independent private company they still carried through with the closure.

    For GM to reverse the wind-up process would take more precious capital than it was worth. It would be risky and fiscally stupid for obama to work a public deal to keep that specific plant open. Closing it was smart given the touble GM is back into now.

    Can’t believe the willful ignorance partsians on both sides possess.

  • A.J. Walker

    Obama never promised to keep that plant open. Read the entire speech he delivered on 2/13/2008. It was about investment in sustainable/green products (including automobiles). GM made the decision to close that plant many, many months before the election. So the question should really be, why couldn’t Ryan, as the Bush Budget Guru do more to save the jobs in his own home town???

  • Dan Vaughn

    Ryan still lays the blame on Obama for a plant already closed…. its deceptive BS. The workers were already gone when he took office. Its disingenuous and very loose on fact

  • AMR1960

    Obama is the “Jason Blair” of Politics an Affirmative Action politico jumped-up by a Liberal Media to show they are no longer racist…

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  • http://www.facebook.com/judy.redmon1 Judy Redmon

    SINCE PRESIDENT OBAMA TOOK OFFICE IN 2009…HOW CAN HE BE RESPONSIBLE FOR SOMETHING THAT HAPPENED IN 2008….THIS DOES NOT COMPUTE…HE HADNT TAKEN OFFICE YET…SO, WHO WAS THE PRESIDENT IN 2008…OH, THATS RIGHT…PRESIDENT BUSH…SO RYAN DID LIE

    • Darkstar1661

      The plant didnt stop producing till June 2009, and it is still in “standby” with GM hoping to reopen it.

      If Obama was serious about “retooling” it so it is open “another 100 years”, then he has had 3.5 years since the takeover of GM to accomplish that.

      Of course, obviously he isn’t interested in doing what he (on multiple occasions) said and it was instead 100% pure empty political pandering to get the vote of those who were about to lose their jobs.

  • http://www.facebook.com/judy.redmon1 Judy Redmon

    SINCE PRESIDENT OBAMA TOOK OFFICE IN 2009…HOW CAN HE BE RESPONSIBLE FOR SOMETHING THAT HAPPENED IN 2008….THIS DOES NOT COMPUTE…HE HADNT TAKEN OFFICE YET…SO, WHO WAS THE PRESIDENT IN 2008…OH, THATS RIGHT…PRESIDENT BUSH…SO RYAN DID LIE

  • Paul_Mcgrath

    Okay, I’ll break it down for everyone who’s not getting it, in simple terms.

    1. In 2008 Obama visits the Janesville plant and says, “I believe that if our government is there to support you, this plant will be here for another 100 years.”

    2. Later in 2008 the plant closes.

    3. In 2009 Obama takes office.

    4. Today, 8/31/2012, the plant REMAINS closed. It has not RE-OPENED!

    Obama has been in office for 3 3/4 years and has done nothing to help the Janesville plant to RE-OPEN! See #1, Obama’s this-plant-will-be-here-for-another-100-years promise. (I don’t know how to make this any simpler.)

    What could Obama have possibly done to help RE-OPEN the plant WHILE IN OFFICE? Plenty, re-read the article, it tells you.

    • weRbroke

      There was a massive layoff in Dec 2008 AFTER GM got the bailout leaving 57 production employees until April of 2009.
      http://www.gazettextra.com/news/2009/apr/21/thursday-last-day-production-isuzu-line-comes-end/
      In october 2008…GM announced it would largely idle Janesville on Dec 23rd.(nice christmas present for the area) but finish up their contract Izuzu. I assume that the announcement to idle it came after the bailout was signed.
      On this matter, I would think that their locals and news outlets are factually correct The link above is to a news piece referencing dates and people involved with GM ending it’s production in janesville.

      • weRbroke

        Oh, and BTW, once done reading the article, take a gander at the link list of related articles published as late as May of 2011. GM was still tossing HOPE towards JANESVILLE.
        Aug 2010 article ”
        JANESVILLE — General Motors again raised hopes in Janesville on Thursday, but a United Auto Workers source said the local plant probably would not be chosen if one of two “standby” plants reopens.
        CEO Ed Whitacre said Thursday that the automaker is considering reopening an idled factory, but he gave no specifics. His comment came during an auto industry conference in Traverse City, Mich., in which he was primarily addressing the public stock offering GM plans later this year.
        The only two idled factories after General Motors’ bankruptcy are Janesville and Spring Hill, Tenn., which are on “standby.”

  • Brian Anderson

    I don’t get it. If we’re expected not to take Ryan’s insinuation literally, why can’t we apply that same mechanism towards Obama’s quote? Just as Ryan never explicitly claimed that Obama’s policies led to the plant closing, Obama also never “promised” that the plant would be open for 100 years.

  • Lush Rimbaugh

    Fail. A lie is a lie is a lie.

  • Scott Jamieson

    Permit me to quote your own article:

    “Before Obama was sworn in, the Janesville plant closed in late 2008, eliminating 6,000 jobs.”

  • SDC in Vancouver

    Seriously, I think many of you Conservatives no longer no the difference between truth and a lie, nor the difference between fact and fiction!

    Even when there is photographic evidence, you will claim Photoshop… like this photo of the last vehicle manufactured at that Janesville GM auto plant in DECEMBER 2008.

  • Guest

    Again, A

  • http://www.facebook.com/ohreallytina Tina Parsley Glymph

    Again this is a spin on the spin. Janesville only had 56 workers still employed when it official shut down in April of 2009, in 2008, Close to 9,000 People had lost their jobs. http://www.gazettextra.com/news/2009/apr/21/thursday-last-day-production-isuzu-line-comes-end/

  • Gary Denton

    1. Ryan – a 97% liar. 3% hung on to finish out a small production line for a few months under Obama. 2. Check what Obama actually said. Did he promise he would keep the plant open? 3. Check the Ryan timeline in that speech – isn’t that another lie?