This morning, Mediaite tool Andrew Kirell thought it would be a worthwhile endeavor to write up a post on Michelle Malkin’s tweets about *NSYNC’s VMA reunion. From Kirell’s post:

Yes, you read that correctly. Last night during the 2013 MTV Video Music Awards, conservative pundit and author Michelle Malkin was really pumped over the reunion of 11-years-dormant boy band NSYNC.

Kirell also suggetsed that it’s somehow hypocritical for a conservative to pay attention to things like pop music:

Let’s put it this way: Malkin tweeting excitement over a boy band’s reunion would be as surprising as, say, Bill O’Reilly declaring himself giddy over the rumors of a Led Zeppelin international reunion tour. Or, conversely, it’s like MSNBC’s Martin Bashir going on-air to express glee over a recent Big & Rich country show he attended.

In other words, we conservatives are supposed to be like the Church Lady. If we delight in Breaking Bad or relish The Walking Dead or gush over Bruno Mars, then obviously we are blatant hypocrites.

Isn’t that special?

Some conservatives have convinced themselves that few Americans pay attention to pop culture:

https://twitter.com/PhillipCMcGuire/status/372021142351269889

Justin Bieber (who, by the way, is pro-life) has 43.7 million Twitter followers. Katy Perry has 41.6 million. Lady Gaga has 39.9 million.

Others suggest that paying attention to pop culture (or, Heaven Forbid, enjoying it) means endorsing every last bit of it, including the twerking:

As clichéd as it sounds, the children really are our future. We need to help America’s young people (many of whom are largely apolitical) understand why conservatism is better for them. And that can’t be done if we’re constantly sneering at things that matter to them.

If he were still alive, we think Andrew Breitbart would agree:

Writing the day after the 2012 election, Breitbart.com’s Mike Flynn noted,

Andrew always pointed out that politics was far downstream from media and pop culture. By ceding the media and pop culture space, conservatives were always at an extreme disadvantage whenever a specific political debate arose. They could occasionally win certain battles, but they would always be fighting against extreme headwinds. Last night was a brutal reminder that Andrew was right.

Breitbart got it. To the surprise of absolutely nobody, Mediaite doesn’t.

  • ElbethL

    As a long time fandom junkie, I can’t agree more. Conservatives are vastly outnumbered in pop culture spaces and it’s doing serious damage.

  • Jill

    I embrace pop culture. Admittedly, it is the pop culture of quite a few decades preceding my birth, though. From the evidence of the show last night, it appears I’m not missing much.

    • https://twitter.com/WSPISFA WSPISFA

      Same here, esp. as a recovering couch potato. Literally the only TV I watch anymore are the classic TV reruns on stations like Antenna TV, CoziTV, MeTV, and sometimes TV Land & Nick at Nite. Most of the DVD movies in my extensive library too were made early ’90s or earlier; before H’wood not only became an obvious paid shill for the Democrat party but openly and proudly hostile to everything I value.
      Watching those old movies especially, reminds me that Hollywood CAN put out decent, uplifting, apolitical fare with good storylines and acting … when they choose not to is when they lose me and my dollars. I don’t even go to theater movies anymore because even if the main storyline is relatively inoffensive, I cannot be certain that they won’t throw in a visual or throwaway line that’s hostile to my values…same for live music shows.
      I’m grateful to sites like Twitchy and Big Hollywood (as well as the obscure boycotthollywood.com) for covering that aspect of pop culture which is just as important IMHO as what goes on in D.C.; the decision of what I support is still ultimately mine, but the info is there.

  • franknmiller

    Point taken but I draw the line at Gaga and Miley

    • ElbethL

      You’ve got a Trek avatar, though, so you don’t have as much ground to make up as some.

    • yestradamous

      I wouldn’t equate the two. Gaga is a different animal. Quite a bit older and hopefully wiser.

      • Bemani Dog

        Lady Gaga knows what she’s doing. I’m convinced her entire schtick is all an act; that she’s holding a mirror to pop culture.

        • Zathras11 @B5

          I’m convinced she is a Madonna rip-off, and idiot.

          • robcrawford2

            “I’m convinced she is a Madonna rip-off, and idiot.”

            But you repeat yourself…

      • Zathras11 @B5

        She wore a meat dress.

  • https://twitter.com/Captain_Cy_kun Cy

    I completely agree. Showing that we play video games and listen to modern singers and watch awards shows and hundreds of other things that “regular” people do can only be good for getting rid of the “Republicans are all old, out of touch white guys” image. When people realize you can have an R on your voter registration and still gush over how amazing Dexter is, it makes them think of you as a person and not a stereotype.

    • Maxwell

      Fun fact about Dexter, I hear one of the writer is extremely conservative. I have not read anything to confirm this, nor have I seen Dexter, so I cannot say if there is any conservative values presented in the show. But my boss claims to be a good of the writer, and that is what he told me.

      • thetreyman

        Dexter is kind of like a twisted vigilante. sure he cuts his victims up into pieces, but they were very bad people.

        • Maxwell

          Ok I lied, I’ve seen the first episode where Dexter’s Father finds out he is a killer and tells him about some sort of code. But I havn’t seen much else. I, ironically, own the first season, it just keeps getting moved down on my to-watch list.

          I’m assuming you’ve seen the show. Are they strong conservative themes in it?

          • thetreyman

            well, i dont really get anything political from it. i mean, he is, by any standard if he were real, the most successful serial killer in history. racking up hundreds of victims. he feels no emotion toward anyone but does a good job faking it. he is an atheist but doesn’t feel the need to denigrate people who are religious by putting them down. in some ways he actually envy’s people who can feel something for others. he goes through a few phases through the seasons so i wont spoil it but you will not be disappointed with the first season.

          • https://twitter.com/Captain_Cy_kun Cy

            Eh, every once and a while they slip some left leaning stuff in, but it’s subtle and it’s never the point of the episode or show. There are some overall conservative-ish themes, like killing criminals that escape the justice system on technicalities or lack of evidence even though everyone knows they’re guilty, and if you wanted to reach you could say the entire idea of an individual seeking justice that the state can’t or won’t hand out is sort of a conservative message that the show portrays. But for the most part it isn’t political.

          • therealguyfaux

            The Dexter show’s’s whole raison d’etre is to show that he could so easily have been written off as some sort of victim (he was a neglected child of a druggy mom, and watched her being murdered), but a bit of “social engineering,” teaching him the “Code” (murder only those people who have murdered already, i.e., “Only use your powers for ‘GOOD’, Dexter…”) has reclaimed him, at least to where he can function somewhat normally and “productively” in society.

            This season’s pull-the-rug surprise has been that Dr Vogel, the woman who devised this strategy and taught it to Dexter’s adoptive father, is not possessed of the noblest of motives herself; she is a serial-killer-by-proxy, if you will.

            The writers have set up a quandary for viewers as to whether they should regard what seems to have been a “redemption” of sorts for Dexter himself, having been founded on what was ultimately the advice of an evil woman, as being in fact illusory. It poses the question, as does the Oberlin hoax, whether “good” results can ever come from evil motives.

            Writ large, it becomes the question of whether we should ever trust the advice of those who pose as experts in their field and claim to have our best interests at heart, when if we really knew what they were up to, we would have a much harder time doing so. Conversely, it also poses the question of whether some people might be very imperfect vessels of their own good message.

            YOU dope it out as far as what political viewpoint, Conservative or Liberal, is better served by the Dexter series; I’m leaning toward the belief that the writers are just dealing in moral skepticism here.

        • Markward

          Kinda like playing Hitman: Absolution. All the bad guys deserved their fates. And I can’t say I felt bad giving Lenny Dexter what he deserved.

    • therealguyfaux

      Doctor Vogel needs to pay a call on some of these people who hate on R’s and can’t put themselves in the R’s place and try to see things from a R’s point of view.

      After all, she’s very knowledgeable in the field of how to deal with narcissistic sociopaths, isn’t she? (Brain surgery, anyone?)

    • trixiewoobeans

      Lol! The only “old, out-of-touch” white guys I see are lurking in the Democratic Party, and of course, the RINO’s.

      • thetreyman

        feeling up secretaries and having a cigar with the intern.

    • Mr_Wrestling_XIII

      Exactly. Breitbart understood this. Conservatives need to engage with the culture (doesn’t mean you have to embrace it). Sadly, some cranks whined about Twitchy covering the VMAs and accused us of being “low info” for doing so. *sigh*

  • John

    The Church Lady doesn’t listen to the House of Hair on the radio on Sunday nights…

    • thetreyman

      neither does current pop culture.

  • SpaceRacer423

    Being a conservative doesn’t make me hate the VMAs.
    The fact that a wanna be Bobby Brown (Drake,) wanna be Madonna (Gaga,) and a craked out Hannah Montana (Hannah Montana) is the best they have to offer makes me hate the VMAs.

    • Bemani Dog

      Uhh… Chris Brown is the wannabe Bobby Brown, not Drake. Drake actually has talent, and doesn’t treat women like crap.

      • RLEE

        Drake sucks and is a jerk to women as well!!

  • http://twitter.com/starwarsfan107 Hayekguy

    Wait what the hell was the Miley Cyrus thing? I don’t get it.

  • http://twitter.com/archaicsteam Archaic

    If people don’t like pop culture that’s fine but don’t discount it because that is where a lot of low-information types get their information and ideas.

    “I can see Russia from my house!”, anyone? Sarah Palin did not say that but there are plenty that think she did because of Saturday Night Live and Tina Fey.

    Edited: To make my comment more coherent and have less repetition.

  • fireandreamitchell

    I don’t care for America’s current ‘pop culture.’ Of course, I don’t care for leftist biased Mediaite either.

    • thetreyman

      yes, but it’s not about liking it. it’s about changing it. and to change it you have to be involved.

  • http://extremesplash.wordpress.com/ Ben Bollman

    Yep, this is what I have been saying all along. We need to get involved in the culture or we are going to keep being slaves to it. We have already stood on the sidelines too long and let the left take it over. It does us zero good to ignore what is going on in the world and that means the culture just as much as politics.

    • thetreyman

      yes sir, a lot of people i run across here and on other sites dont seem to get that.

      • http://extremesplash.wordpress.com/ Ben Bollman

        People seem to confuse getting involved with condoning certain behavior. We are just saying to not ignore it because it isn’t going to go away just because we are not paying attention.

        • thetreyman

          yep. i wrote this below. i think it sums it up nicely.

          no one says to embrace it, only that you are fluent in it and can influence folks away from the rot with an argument that sounds less like a lecture or talking down and more like a conversation.

          • http://extremesplash.wordpress.com/ Ben Bollman

            Exactly, basically we can’t be ignorant to it and hide in a cave pretending it doesn’t exist.

          • thetreyman

            i am beginning to think that i need to put a site together where we younger conservatives/libertarians can strategize. older folks will be welcome but i think we have the key. any statist mindset is not allowed.

          • http://extremesplash.wordpress.com/ Ben Bollman

            That is a good idea. I think there are a few small sites like that but there definitely needs to be more.

  • TocksNedlog

    Mediate: “ALL pop culture is leftist; therefore, anything resembling an embrace of it by the right can only be transparent pandering.”
    Sim-ple.

    • yestradamous

      If I were to embrace it ( fat chance, but whatever) who would I be “pandering” to?

      • thetreyman

        no one says to embrace it, only that you are fluent in it and can influence folks away from the rot with an argument that sounds less like a lecture or talking down and more like a conversation.

        • Mr_Wrestling_XIII

          Amen!

          • thetreyman

            yes sir, the one thing i did when i was 18 was, i made conservative cool. i am not just saying that. i actually had a guy that i never met say, and this was a little weird for me but, he said he wanted to be just like me. i said, good, vote republican. 1996, it was a campaign year. of course i have never been a ‘walk the line’ republican so that made it easy to get people.

    • TJ

      Or Racist as one on the right only enjoying black pop culture because it reminds them of the minstrel shows or something.

      • thetreyman

        well yeah, of course racist……i mean, that’s a given.

  • JeffWRidge

    As I’ve stated previously, I’ve never been into pop culture, not even as a teenager. However, that doesn’t mean that I don’t want right-wingers to engage pop culture and take our message to the younger people. If you are a right-winger and have the right mindset and understand pop culture I enthusiastically cheer you on to carry the message in a way that I could never pull off.

    For me to try to embrace and engage pop culture would be the proverbial square peg in a round hole. I just wouldn’t fit. I’d be like one of those pathetic old guys who try to look young by wearing their hair like Justin Bieber (with male pattern baldness, no less), dressing like a teenager and trying to use current slang. I would stand out like a sore thumb on someone with no hands.

  • Tessa I.

    I was one of the two founding members of the campus sci-fi club in college. By the time I was a senior we had thirty members, most of whom I didn’t know very well and vice-versa. I had almost the exact same conversation three different times with three different people: we’d be chatting about pop culture when politics reared its ugly head, and when my dark conservative secret was revealed, they never believed I was telling the truth. One actually said “But you’re so normal!”

    The left is a lot more comfortable thinking of right-wingers as dour finger-wagging squares. Turning your opponent into a caricature is one of the oldest and hoariest tactics, but it still works, and since the left has set itself up as the bastion of all that is New and Fresh the right, by process of elimination, must be all that is Staid and Disapproving. Such a polarized, narrow viewpoint they have. How . . . old-fashioned of them.

    • Maxwell

      I received similar responses from my former (stress former) Otaku (anime fan) friends. They couldn’t believe I was a Christian conservative because a Christian conservative would never watch “such evil and demonic things.” Although… I guess they finally understood why I never watched anime with Yaoi and Yuri (homosexual) themes.

      • Damien Johnson

        My friend knows that… that’s why when she told me I probably wouldn’t like the anime that she finished (Ouran High School club) and when I asked her why, she said because of the Yaoi and Yuri. She knows me so well!

        • NRPax

          There wasn’t any same sex romance in Ouran High School Host Club. It was implied with two characters but that was part of their act as hosts. Pretty funny series.

          • Damien Johnson

            I don’t think she said there were any references but I inferred that there were certain scenes that I’d just turn my head from. I’ll probably watch it, I believe it’s on Netflix.

          • NRPax

            It’s definitely worth watching.

          • AdoEdem

            This exactly. It’s actually a parody of the shoujo (girls’ comics) genre in general, and the whole “twincest” fad with Hikaru and Kaoru specifically. They ham it up for their customers, but “off-camera” they’re sweet on the lead heroine.

      • MarcusFenix

        As a Christian and sometimes conservative, I play video games..watch anime (because I still like the good ones like Kenshin, etc…so w/e), played D&D when it was still first edition, and am still enjoying things from my youth. I’ve had the discussion before that playing D&D was “the devil’s game”…and the accompanying nonsense. Just because I had to grow up and be responsible doesn’t mean I stopped having fun. :)

        Some people, for whatever reason, simply can’t put two concepts together. The first is that (insert activity) is fun and enjoyable. The second is that because you view, or even participate in said activity, that you’re absolutely and completely influenced by it in life. I played AD&D avidly as a kid, and yet…I never once believed that I could somehow cast a “Wish” spell, or teleport across the yard. Such things are fantasy…if i wanted to get from one end of the yard to the other, my feet were most often the method used. At the end of the day, we put the character sheets and the dice away, and went back to doing chores or and trying to impress the ladies with our newly minted drivers license.

        Personally, I don’t think liberals (and some others, if we’re being honest) can conceive a scenario using the “in the world but not of the world” mentality. To them, it seems to be all or nothing. The example above, for example, put me of the receiving end of nasty comments from very conservative Christians, who were towing the religious line. For them, I was either a Christian, or I was a Satan worshiping scumbag…because it was somehow beyond them how I could play something like that and still go to church with a straight face.

      • John Thomas “Jack” Ward III

        YURI, PLEASE! Jawamax 8<{D}

    • Markward

      Yeah, Love to see how shocked people are when they go “But- you watch star trek, how can you be a conservative – the Ferengi!”

      To which I say: Just because I disagree with Roddenberry’s Politics, does not mean I cannot enjoy TNG (well anything season 4 and later, the first three seasons were painful), TOS, DS9 and not so much Enterprise and Voyager.

      The Ferengi were a joke and it was propaganda that was so obvious, it backfired in the same manner “Springtime for Hitler”. did in “The Producers”

      • John Thomas “Jack” Ward III

        I’ll take the Kirk/Spock/Bones/Scotty/Uhura/Sulu/Checkov original… My mom used to make my brothers and I watch it when we were little kids. #OldSchoolTrekkies Jawamax 8<{D}

        • ceemack

          For the record, none of us knows what “Jawamax 8<{D}" means.

      • MarcusFenix

        I have had that discussion about Firefly with others.

        “How can you watch something by Whedon? Both him and Fillion is a raging liberals!”

        My response is “that’s true….but have you seen this show, it’s wondermous and amazing, and when you add in Inara and Kaylee……here, go watch.”

        I have yet to fail in converting people to become Browncoats. :)

        • Markward

          Aim to misbehave, and keep flying browncoats!

  • Maxwell

    I can’t say if I’m truly into pop culture, but I adore anime (more so than most live action shows… and anything else.) I am a self professed Otaku, and something of a Brony, although I don’t love the show that much. I also love video games. It saddens me that I cannot find more conservatives who share in my geeky fandoms.

    I think Alfonzo Rachel said it best, we need to reach out to the young generations by not alienating things like rock music, video games, etc.

    • nc

      Well, it’ll be up to you and your generation. We “older folks” don’t even speak the language.

    • ElbethL

      OT, but is MLP:FiM really worth it? The animation is REALLY off-putting to me. (Why can’t everything be as good as AtLA? Is that so much to ask?)

      • Maxwell

        AtLA was so unique animation wise, I have yet to see anything like it out of the west. All the attention to little details really improve the overall quality of both the show and animation.

        I enjoy MLP: FiM, but I’m a huge fan of Tara Strong and Lauren Faust (loved Foster’s and PPG.) I guess the animation is alright, except when magic is used (event then you can see some shortcuts), but the show wins me over with the witty writing and characters. Especially since I can really relate to Fluttershy… *walks away awkwardly and slowly*

        • ElbethL

          Tara Strong as in voice-of-Barbara-Gordon-from-BTAS Tara Strong? That might sell me.

        • Markward

          I smiled when they got John De Lance to play Discord. As a trek nerd, I had a nerd overload at the snapping fingers.

        • John Thomas “Jack” Ward III

          Favorite PPG Episode (the only one I’ll watch), “Meet the Beat-Alls” #MusicTriviaTime #BUGMUSIC!! XD LOL Jawamax 8<{D}

      • Markward

        As someone with a niece who is obsessed with it: it is a good FAMILY (note the word) show. Is it aimed at girls, and that is not necessarily a bad thing. The shows creator was involved with the Powerpuff Girls and Foster’s home for imaginary friends. Both of which are good family friendly shows in their own right. I personally would not go out of my way to watch it, but with its moral lessons and positive role models I’d rather have my niece watch FIM.

      • John Thomas “Jack” Ward III

        I WISH I HAD MY ANIME NETWORK BACK! Jawamax 8<{D}

    • thetreyman

      cant say i am into anime. when i see some of the girls on those shows, all i can think is “IT’S A TRAP”. but i do like some video games.

    • John Thomas “Jack” Ward III

      KIRA VINCENT DAVIS IS THE QUEEN OF ANIME VOICES! Welcome, fellow traveler…. Jawamax 8<{D}

      • MarcusFenix

        Personally, for voice over work…I’m partial to Tara Strong, Jennifer Hale, and Jen Taylor. Colleen Clinkbeard is also another good one.

        • Markward

          How many people played femshep in Mass effect because it was Jennifer Hale?

          I know I did!

          • MarcusFenix

            *raises hand*

            Yeah, that’s me. 😉

            What’s interesting is, I’ve read an interview with her previously, where she states she doesn’t play, or even really like, video games. I can’t remember where it is (and I have to fax something real quick AND get more coffee…..geez, I need an assistant!), but sure that’s what it said. :)

  • Damien Johnson

    The only thing that’s funny to me about “Twerking” is that the mainstream is about 10 years too late..

    • yestradamous

      Yes, I’m waiting for the day when flashing ones vulva is how a greeting is done. It’s only, apparently, a matter of time.

      • Damien Johnson

        People grind on each other in the club and that’s called “dancing” (and I’m not gonna lie, I did it as a teen), but I’ve seen videos where people take it one step further and pull their pants down (either the guy or the girl). It’s pretty much gonna be outright f*cking on the dance floor within the next 5 years and the poor janitor will be cleaning up semen.

      • ObamaFail

        You just know it’ll be started by liberals, and will be called a woman’s right. But then a guy flashing his junk would still be called inappropriate by the “ladies”, and I use that word loosely, flashing their privates.

        • Damien Johnson

          No, to feminists it’ll be rape, not just inappropriate. And only if unattractive guys do it.

    • nc

      You’re not serious.

      (Don’t mind me, that’s my denial instinct kicking in.)

      • Damien Johnson

        well, in 2003 twerking wasn’t quite as slutty as it is now.

    • thetreyman

      yes, you are correct sir. but back then you only saw it, well, most white people only saw it on a Yen Yang Twins or a Juvenile video. course, i worked in the clubs back then, so i’ve been around this for a while.

      • nc

        Ok, so considering I never even heard the word before, that doesn’t make me feel like an old fogey. Like heck it doesn’t. : )

      • Damien Johnson

        Nice to hear some info from somebody that was around where that would be relevant. So since you’ve been around in the clubs, how long do you think it’ll be that club dancing will degenerate to straight up having sex on the dance floor? I seriously give it five years.

        • thetreyman

          well sir, the things i have seen, they can’t be unseen. frankly, i have had a couple having sex in the corner. i know to the law and order conservatives, i should have stopped them. but, they weren’t hurting anybody and i had bigger fish to fry that night, so hay, whatever. i have been a bartender, bouncer, DJ and manager in the clubs. i got my nose broke in a fight when i was 18 and it never stopped me. i started doing that work 6 days after my 18th birthday and loved it. the women and the action, it was my crack. 18 years old and i had women up into their 30’s chasing me, it was awesome. i felt i was born for that life. i’ll never forget grabbing two guys by their collar/necks and picking them up, one in each hand, and dragging them, on their heals, to the door and throwing them out. they rolled in the parking lot after i threw them, and then just looked at me like, what the hell just happened. i was quite strong in my youth. i know there are people that will say that i am lying or embellishing the truth on that one but the guy i worked with will back me up on it. he even went as far, and i didn’t know it until after the fact, as to relay that story to a few bikers, few years later, that were catching my eye in a different club we both worked at. then when the one guy came up to me and said “you don’t have enough scars to be a badass” i said, that’s because i don’t get hit. i learned early that it was a whole lot easier to take someone out if they were drunk and you sober. a clear head always prevails.

          • Damien Johnson

            That does sound amazing. I can see how that can easily get addicting and frankly it kinda sounds like a movie. Why’d you quit?

          • thetreyman

            we all have to grow up sometime. i did that for about 10 years and i did have a blast but when you start getting older the drunks get on your nerves more and more. so i decided to go get a real job. next thing you know, i’m buying new vehicles, buying a house, saving for retirement. i think the 18 year old me would kick my mid 30’s ass if he saw what i have become. i think he might say i sold out. but that’s the way it goes i suppose.

        • John Thomas “Jack” Ward III

          Beat ya to it, Damien-Me and my ex-gf from New York, Debbie Hoffman, at Lamour’s East (a Rock Club in Queens, N.Y.), right up against the stage, while either T.T. Quick or Monroe was playing….. DUDE, IT WAS AWESOME! Jawamax 8<{D}

          • Damien Johnson

            well you were a little freak-nasty weren’t you 😛

        • http://extremesplash.wordpress.com/ Ben Bollman

          Sex in clubs has been going on since there were clubs.

          • Damien Johnson

            Well I know that, but I meant out in the open and several people just outright doing it, not one or two couples sneaking off into dark corners.

    • Love of Country

      That’s how I was with the expression “my bad”. I’ve been using that expression since the late 80’s but the first time I ever heard someone say it on TV was some 15 years later.

      • Damien Johnson

        For me I probably used the phrase “my bad” sometime in the 90s, though it does make sense that the phrase wouldn’t catch on immediately.

        • Love of Country

          Interestingly I picked it up a good five to ten years before any of my friends and peers. I went to mostly white schools growing up ie 90% whites but right after high school I dated a white girl across town who went to a school that was about 50% blacks …. and she’s who I got it from. And so it was 15 years later before I heard anyone on my side of town begin to use it. The funny part is that they all thought it was some clever new saying.

    • Bemani Dog

      20 years too late. They were twerking when I was in middle school.

      • Damien Johnson

        I know booty shaking has been going on that long, but I said ten because I figured twerking was shaking it a certain way.

  • yestradamous

    I don’t hate the VMA’s. I’m not even aware of it until after the fact. But I can comment on how the envelope keeps getting pushed, year after year. And the fact that justly or not, when Ms. Cyrus comes to her senses sometime in the future, she will be like ” what the hell was I thinking?” I feel for her at that future point because I can see it coming.

  • ClarkFL

    Kirell is just a douchebag lefty pretending to be a Libertarian. He’s one of these trendy NY’er types that just wants to smoke pot and be a snarky *sshole. He’s one notch above Tommy Christopher there, the coward that blocked me on Twitter and posting at Mediaite cause he doesn’t like my criticism. He’ just a punk b*tch like Olbermann that would rather sit insulated in his cocoon of liberalism, while on his knees for Chris Hayes especially, and then every other MSNBC personality. He will whore himself out to any lefty to get himself on TV, even the goons over at Current when it was around, now just a fart in the wind. Kirell used to frequent that dump too. Mediaite is a crappier version of Wonkette or Buzzfeed usually posting clickbait of race-baiting articles that would make Sharpton squeamish.

    • Zhenia Oleynik

      Kirell is a joke, just like his so-called “Libertarianism.” I don’t think he pretends to be a Libertarian; in fact, I think everyone knows he’s a malcontent leftist, and his Libertarian label is used in jest.

    • MC12

      Would you like some cheese with that whine? If you don’t like Kirell or Mediaite then don’t go to their website.

      • ClarkFL

        And if you don’t like my comments on them here, you can go back to the Kos or the Democratic Underground or whatever craphole you liberals like to slither out from.

    • MC12

      Would you like some cheese with that whine? If you don’t like Kirell or Mediaite then don’t go to their website.

  • BlahBlah

    I’d comment but somebody has to scrub the bathroom with a toothbrush.

    Oh… What’s a “boy band”?

    • ElbethL

      BackStreet Boys, NSYNC, Westlife, OneDirection, Anthem Lights…

      A vocal music group, whose members are young(ish), attractive guys, who sing with a LOT of harmonies. Mostly these singers do not play instruments, or don’t do so during performances. Generally speaking, boybands–though usually superficial and “teeny bopper”–have decent to very good vocalists and are something like the modern iteration of the barbershop quartet.

      • BlahBlah

        Hey I’m already liking it. Where do I go buy this. If I’m allowed, that is, if the bathroom scrubbing is up to par.

    • Damien Johnson

      Boy bands that actually had talent are the likes of Immature, B2K, Hi-Five, Bell Biv Devoe, New Edition, Boyz II Men, 112, Dru HIll-basically black groups that were popular in the 90s.

    • John Thomas “Jack” Ward III

      To me…A “Boy Band” was the Osmonds, or the Jackson Five, or the modern equivalent, Hot Chelle Rae. #MusicTriviaTime Jawamax 8<{D}

  • BlahBlah

    I watch that pop culture thing every day on my iPhone that I got with the food stamp cash. Justin Timberlake dated Britney Spears.

  • TJ

    If a conservative enjoys the entertainment of black singer they are racist as that is a minstrel show. If a white and/or conservative enjoys a white person who sings in an exclusive black style of music that is also racist. But if liberal enjoys the same acts they are enlightened or something.

    • ObamaFail

      Liberal hypocrisy always shines bright, doesn’t it?

    • John Thomas “Jack” Ward III

      I wonder if their proverbial “Minstrel Show” includes the fact that I grew up listening to Chuck Berry, “Fats” Domino, Little Richard, Stevie Wonder, Al Green, and Marvin Gaye (Among others). And anyone who believes what Mediaite says should listen to Dan Ackroyd’s diatribe from “Blues Brothers 2000”. #MusicTriviaTime Jawamax 8<{D}

  • ObamaFail

    So it’s okay for liberal media outlets to focus all on pop culture when trying to deflect from important issues that make Obama look bad, but Conservatives aren’t allowed to enjoy pop culture?
    And I’m sorry, is Twitchy a major news outlet? Didn’t think so. So us talking about pop culture isn’t the same as when CNN or MSNBC are focusing whole segments on celebrities or some other nonsense to keep from having to reflect on the millions of people whose healthcare is skyrocketing, the millions of people who are getting cut down to part-time, and the millions of people who can’t find work.

    My all time favorite “important issue” CNN focused a segment on was “IS Captain Crunch Really a Captain?!”

    • http://twitter.com/archaicsteam Archaic

      On the RSS readers, there can be 25 Twitchy posts at a time. And the list looks like the picture attached. Some pop culture, some snark, a bit of heartwarming, a dash of wtf? and some seriousness.

      I don’t see a problem. Like you said, it isn’t as though Twitchy is trying to pass off as a serious news outlet. People don’t have to read or comment, if the topic doesn’t interest them.

    • MC12

      Of course conservatives are allowed to enjoy pop culture. Who said they aren’t? He was just surprised that Malkin likes to watch the VMA’s.

    • MC12

      Of course conservatives are allowed to enjoy pop culture. Who said they aren’t? He was just surprised that Malkin likes to watch the VMA’s.

  • Lamontyoubigdummy

    The only thing needed to turn pop culture conservative is to force the “pop culture” types to sit with their Tax attorney/ CPAs just prior to filing tax.

    “Okay Miley…here’s the number I started with…and this bottom number on page 48 is what you get to keep.”

    The late, great Bernie Mack said it right, “Yeah, yeah…I’m a black Democrat…but I’m a Republican come tax season goddammit!”

  • traffic_robot

    This is a great discussion. I see the point that it’s important to at least engage pop culture. However, it’s so boring. When I see Lady Gaga, I think of Leigh Bowery, and when I hear her, they are songs that not even early Madonna would waste her time recording. Every new band that Pitchfork raves about is yet another conglomeration of The Pixies, The Cure, Bowie, Roxy Music/Eno, Scott Walker and Nick Drake. Miley Cyrus bores me to tears; I’d rather watch Divine. I cringe when I hear about the latest episode of Girls; why would I waste my time watching a show about over-privileged and emotionally retarded people who have everything and are never happy? I work really hard to avoid people like that in my life. I can’t even read most current fiction; it’s filled with the same characters J.D. Salinger delighted me with when I was in junior high. There is nothing transgressive, interesting, challenging or even just genuine about popular culture. If it’s not original, that’s fine, but compelling is a must. Plus, I just don’t have time to consume all of it. We don’t even have kids and we’re too busy to watch TV. Give me Husker Du’s New Day Rising and Metal Circus on the headphones, and I’d rather go run 10 miles outside than sit inside and consume that crap.

  • John Alvarado

    So since I am conservative I can’t like Coldplay or play video games? Because i guess we should stay stupid on what happens in pop culture so they mock us more and laugh, laugh and laugh until they pass out.

    • NRPax

      And as a Conservative, the fact that Judas Priest and Queen are two of my favorite groups should be forbidden since the lead singers aren’t straight.

      • John Alvarado

        Yep, it’s ironic for us to like music like this but it is what it is.

  • http://www.black-and-right.com/ IceColdTroll

    God, they are just PATHETIC!

  • LochGates44

    If it’s an outrage conservative follow pop culture does that mean the same thing for liberals following professional sports?

  • fearnot6

    Well, at least Mediaite’s resident racist Tommy Christopher kept his dumbass mouth shut

  • 24fan

    just shrug your shoulders and move on..have fun

  • Jimni27

    Michelle and Twitchy are right- you have to embrace the younger crowd and you also have to convince them that the right is as diverse as the left. I don’t know if anyone was listening to the words of “Same Love” by Mackelmore at the VMA’s the other night but:

    “The right wing conservatives think it’s a decision
    And you can be cured with some treatment and religion”
    My kids and I had a discussion about this song when they first had me listen to it. They know I am for marriage equality and they asked why I didn’t like the song. I explained that it was mostly because he put conservatives in the same type of box that they accuse the right of doing. That, and the wording is mostly juvenile, but I love the chorus.

  • PatriotRG

    pop culture – an oxymoron if ever there was one.

  • vanbratch

    What we need is more conservative pop culture icons to come out of the shadows and the closets and stop being afraid.

  • socalcon

    Mediaite doesn’t get it? Sure they do. Note the ridicule they use as a ‘spike strip’?

  • John Thomas “Jack” Ward III

    Andrew, you are SO FULL OF BULL$#!+! I’ve been following Television, Movies, and (especially) Music for years, and you wouldn’t believe some of the thing I’ve learned (even though most are Trivia-related). Even as a kid, back in the days of “Bubble Gum Pop” and “Golden Oldies,” I would unconsciously learn about the Music, or the Movie, or the Television show(s) i liked. Eventually, I learned that some of these songs had little “stories” within them (Like, for example, “WOLD” by Harry Chapin, was about a washed-up Disc Jockey trying to make a comeback 8 years after losing his wife and kids to Divorce. Or Billy Joel’s “Piano Man,” which was a Lounge musician’s view of the crowd at the bar where he worked.)

    See, I was paying attention.

    But as I’ve also observed over the years, that (with the possible exception of Country Music), the “story” in the songs has been replaced by egotistical crowing, self-promotion, and degrading women and certain musician’s rivals. Nowdays, they talk about “gettin’ money,” and doing harm to others. Instrumentals (Great songs with no vocals), have made the charts over the years, but they rarely ever make them anymore, because instruments can’t stroke an ego like one’s own voice.
    And all this bizzare behavior (Like Miley at the VMA’s, or Madonna, or Katie Perry, or..Janet Jackson’s “Wardrobe Malfunction” at the Superbowl) is just more of this “Ego stroking for attention, to sell records to young people; but at the same time, I think they’re teaching our kids a whole new way to be rebellious, outrageous, and undisciplined.
    Just a humble observation… #MusicTriviaTime Jawamax 8<{D}

  • Clete Torres

    Twitter & @TwitchyTeam are effective ways to help change the Inhuman Conservative narrative *without* pandering.

    This.

  • ee1774

    FWIW: I’m a life-long conservative. I grew-up listening to Hendrix, Doors, Cream, Zeppelin, Tull….Buddy Rich (saw him 3 times)….Deep Purple, Queen (saw them 3 times)….Mahavishnu (saw him once), Return To Forever….Al DiMeola (saw him once)….been playing guitar since 1971. All of those bands kept me out of trouble when I was a kid. I chose to stay home learning their stuff (especially Hendrix) rather than go out and get into mischief.

  • rockmom

    I listen to music and watch TV with my teens. I actually enjoyed some of the VMAs, like Michelle I love Bruno Mars and Justin Timberlake, enjoy Katy Perry and Macklemore and Lady Gaga, and I love Kevin Hart. I actually heard “Blurred Lines” before my kids did! And I love it, I don’t care how trashy the video is, I do not have to watch it. My teens are both conservative because they believe in God, free markets, the Constitution, and individual responsibility. My son cast his first vote last year for Romney because he was outraged by the jailing of the filmmaker and Obama blaming him for the Benghazi attack, and because he strongly opposes Obamacare. I teach them these values while not judging their tastes in music or TV. You might be surprised by how many teens were just laughing at Miley Cyrus Sunday night, and do not wish to emulate her at all. I have a 16 year old daughter who is no nerd and thinks Miley is gross.

  • schveiguy

    This reminds me of how upset Rage against the Machine was that Paul Ryan liked their music.

  • Electradivine

    Don’t agree with Malkin much but she’s right on with what she is saying, you can’t concede pop culture to the far left or you will be seen as some wacky far right stuck up group and no one will take you serious.

  • Maury

    #NSAFunfact @michellemalkin has logged 437 Culture Club views this year.

  • Hannibal

    Most cows are not Lady Gaga fans!

  • costa rozza

    And here I am a conservative that doesn’t like country music (Johnny Cash excepted) but loves R&B and Motown…who wouldda thunk it?

  • radicallyalyssa

    I work on a Navy base in a center that caters to active duty students. I’m a twenty year old girl, and the only reason I knew about the VMAs happening on Sunday is because a service member asked me to change the TV channel to MTV. A BUNCH of kids watched it! Pretending people in my generation don’t care about pop culture is ignorant and silly.

  • KayGee

    Holy CRAP! Admitting that children are the future? What’s come over this place? Next thing we know, MM and friends will start asking for evil socialist stuff like Gov’t subsidized loans and scholarships for snobby college education!!!

    • TMZ2

      In the words of Bob Dylan: You’re an idiot babe. It’s a wonder that you still know how to breathe. Idiot wind blowing every time you move your teeth.

    • MarcusFenix

      Oh, then no worries…liberals have the corner market on asking for handouts. We’ll just let you keep it over there.

    • VerminMcCann

      What a perfect example of liberal dishonesty. The fact that a person does not support the same polices you do does not indicate he doesn’t recognize the same facts or support some of the same goals.

  • https://twitter.com/WSPISFA WSPISFA

    Oh there’s a simple explanation for that: conservatives who are hip to pop culture (and dare to enjoy it when it doesnt insult them) doesn’t fit the left’s narrow worldview of us as nothing but billionaire gray-haired white men.

    Newsflash to the left: we Conservatives come in both genders, every color, creed (or none), every orientation, every job occupation, every educational level, every marital and family status, etc. Conservatives are united by shared principles, instead of the left’s divisive faux grievances and victimhood among their favored politically correct focus groups.

  • unknown

    I guess it is “shocking” that conservatives can enjoy pop culture because every time a celebrity/entertainer makes a liberal statement, commentators on conservative sites tend to say that they are putting this celebrity/entertainer on their blacklist. And given how often that seems to happen, one would think that there is nothing conservatives find enjoyable with pop culture.

    That is just my thought on this whole thing.

  • MC12

    Geez….I don’t think Mediaite wanted to hurt your feelings. Malkin has criticized and mocked Hollywood so many times on Fox News that it really is surprising to hear she “likes” N’Sync or Bruno Mars. Andrew Kirell also mentioned Martin Bashir. Did you notice that? Do you care? Mediaite wasn’t attacking conservatives. Kirell was surprised that someone like Michelle Malkin, Bill O’Reilly or Martin Bashir might be interested in MTV video music awards. You could say he was “attacking” political pundits in general. And can you blame him? Do you like to watch VMA’s every year? I don’t think so. You’re wathing these award shows for political reasons. You admitted it yourself. And that’s really weird. I think Kirell had a point. And your response it to call him a tool?

  • MC12

    Geez….I don’t think Mediaite wanted to hurt your feelings. Malkin has criticized and mocked Hollywood so many times on Fox News that it really is surprising to hear she “likes” N’Sync or Bruno Mars. Andrew Kirell also mentioned Martin Bashir. Did you notice that? Do you care? Mediaite wasn’t attacking conservatives. Kirell was surprised that someone like Michelle Malkin, Bill O’Reilly or Martin Bashir might be interested in MTV video music awards. You could say he was “attacking” political pundits in general. And can you blame him? Do you like to watch VMA’s every year? I don’t think so. You’re wathing these award shows for political reasons. You admitted it yourself. And that’s really weird. I think Kirell had a point. And your response it to call him a tool?