According to Michael Connelly at Red Flag News, the Department of Veterans Affairs is arbitrarily depriving veterans of their right to own guns:

How would you feel if you received a letter from the U.S. Government informing you that because of a physical or mental condition that the government says you have it is proposing to rule that you are incompetent to handle your own financial affairs? Suppose that letter also stated that the government is going to appoint a stranger to handle your affairs for you at your expense? That would certainly be scary enough but it gets worse.

What if that letter also stated: “A determination of incompetency will prohibit you from purchasing, possessing, receiving, or transporting a firearm or ammunition. If you knowingly violate any of these prohibitions, you may be fined, imprisoned, or both pursuant to the Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act, Pub.L.No. 103-159, as implemented at 18, United States Code 924(a)(2).”?

That makes is sound like something right from a documentary on a tyrannical dictatorship somewhere in the world. Yet, as I write this I have a copy of such a letter right in front of me. It is being sent by the U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs to hundreds, perhaps thousands, of America’s heroes. In my capacity as Executive Director of the United States Justice Foundation (USJF) I have been contacted by some of these veterans and the stories I am getting are appalling.

Many Second Amendment supporters are understandably alarmed:

But the alarm over the VA letter seems to be unwarranted. In a post entitled, “Don’t beleive the hype on the VA letter summarily denying vets gun rights,” conservative blogger Bob Owens (who supports Second Amendment rights) debunks the rumors:

I have no idea who Michael Connelly is, but I can tell you this: his story is misleading at best, and purposeful fear-mongering at worst.

Connelly lays this out in such a way that the average person reading this gets the impression that the VA is arbitrarily sending letters to unsuspecting veterans that they’ve lost their 2nd Amendment rights because someone in far away Washington summarily checked a box on a whim. It is portrayed as a bolt from the blue, affecting a large percentage of veterans.

This [provision doesn’t apply] to someone just because they went into combat, or if they have some level of PTSD, or if they have a head injury. This generally applies to folks that are seriously mentally compromised.

Milblogger John Lilyea has a similar take:

The letter, despite the breathless reporting by this lawyer dude at the [Red Flag News] blog, explains to the veteran to whom the letter is addressed how to avoid being ruled incompetent.

By the way, I looked up the cite from 18 USC 942(a)(2) which merely refers to 18 USC 922(a)(6) which, in turn says you can’t lie when you buy a gun – so all of that legal crap doesn’t say anything we don’t know and it has nothing to do with being a mentally incapacitated veteran.

But, basically, what the letter doesn’t say is that the VA is disarming veterans arbitrarily. Don’t let this letter be the reason you don’t go to the VA to get the treatment you need and earned.

  • peteee363

    i am not sure either way, but the va should not get to make this determination. they should need to go to court, and let a judge decide. but if someone is mentally challenged, they should not be able to own a gun, unless and until they have proven thier ability to responsible take gun ownership seroius. but why are not more doctors going to court, and getting the nutcases removed from the possibility of owning guns.

    • http://twitter.com/thetugboatphil TugboatPhil

      This will fall under Obamacare once private insurance companies collapse. The local Obamacare Commissar will gather a list of PTSD and ADD folks. All the kids that were put on Ritalin in school will also be denied legal gun ownership, for the protection of the proletariat.

    • http://twitter.com/thetugboatphil TugboatPhil

      This will fall under Obamacare once private insurance companies collapse. The local Obamacare Commissar will gather a list of PTSD and ADD folks. All the kids that were put on Ritalin in school will also be denied legal gun ownership, for the protection of the proletariat.

  • Joe W.

    Well, the mere fact that Bronco Bamma is in the White House gives me absolutely NO reason to trust anything from our government. Nothing at all. Better safe than sorry. My guns are loaded and at the ready. And I will not hesitate to use them in the event anyone comes knocking uninvited. Especially if they are from the “government”.

  • Jack Deth

    I saw this article from ‘Red Flag News’ late last night at Free Republic. And I would not put it past this administration to deny 2nd Amendment right to soldiers returning from combat zones they, through the VA, deem unfit.

    It’s a ‘Catch-22″. If you show up for the psyche evaluation. You have a very good chance of having those rights denied. If you don’t show up. It’s a certainty. Since you have shown ‘Beligerant” and “Anti-Social” tendencies.

    • $24414377

      Actually, as one who has used the VA and has seen this language before…you are wrong. The VA has to follow a legal process for someone to be legally adjudicated to be incompetent. PTSD is no different than other medical conditions that are treated and the patient recovers from.

      • Tish

        At one time Republicanvet, your statement was correct. I am afraid under this regime it seems you are guilty until proven innocent or should I say competent. Scary Stuff !

  • Fire and Adjust!

    Last I checked, the Legislative branch writes the law, the Judicial branch interprets the law, and the Executive branch enforces the law……………. where do VA doctors fall within any of these branches?

    And isn’t DUE PROCESS required to remove or limit an individual’s rights? A doctor providing expert testimony in a hearing so the Executive/Judicial branches can adjudicate is one thing, but a Doctor being the one to do the adjudication is a WHOLE different, and unconstitutional, ball game.

    • http://twitter.com/die_mich_zwei Spatial Awareness

      It seems one has “Due Process” if you respond within 60 days and can PROVE yourself “Innocent” *cough* “Competent”.

      • Fire and Adjust!

        Wrong………that is equivalent to saying “you’re guilty, now you have 60 days to prove your innocence”

        • http://twitter.com/die_mich_zwei Spatial Awareness

          Exactly.

          • Fire and Adjust!

            Sorry, didn’t see your sarcasm until afterwards…..

          • Jack Deth

            This is what happens when Obama wants to deputize doctors.

    • Brian Abbott

      btw, all beaurocrates (VA doctors included) are part of the Executive Branch…the Executive Branch does not stop at a President or Governor… everyone that works in government is part of the executive branch…

  • Shaun Robert Connell

    This IS illegal. If they want to disarm someone, then the court proceedings come first — the rule comes later.

    It’s that simple. It’s a question of due process.

  • Gothguy

    Folks,

    Having dealt with this extensively when I was a Veterans Advocate, a little clarification is needed. This is not something new, and the VA is not in the gun grabbing business.

    What
    he (the author) has written is misleading on a couple of points (actually,
    more than a couple). Not just ‘someone in the VA’ can declare a veteran
    incompetent, the veteran must be diagnosed by a doctor as incompetent
    during an examination. Once that has happened, the VA does a proposed
    decision, notifying the veteran of the proposed incompetency, and
    details with specifics the reason(s) why the proposal is being done.
    They don’t just get a letter, and it’s a done deal.

    The veteran is given 60 days to submit medical evidence as to why
    the proposal should be overturned. It is a fact that during that 60 day
    period, the veteran cannot appeal the decision, because the decision
    hasn’t been finalized, it’s only a proposal or pending decision. Even if the veteran cannot get a letter or statement or other evidence during that time period and the proposal goes into effect, he or she can still appeal that decision, and the VA advises him or her of the appeal process.

    I would advise the veteran to get in touch with their doctor and get
    a statement from him or her stating that the veteran is not
    incompetent, submit it to the VA, and the proposal would be rescinded.

    Further,
    the author cites the 5th Amendment, well, again, it’s misleading the way he wrote this. The veteran is free to submit evidence, request a
    pre-determination hearing before being declared incompetent to handle
    his or her affairs, and trust me, I have participated in those hearing
    many times over 16 years, and have won virtually all of them prior to
    the final determination. No 5th Amendment rights are violated.

    Also, the author again cites that some nameless person would be
    appointed by the VA to handle the veterans’ financial affairs. Not
    true. If the veteran is declared incompetent after all avenues have
    been exhausted, in virtually all cases, a family member is appointed,
    and the veteran can even request that a friend be appointed. The VA
    will interview these people to make sure they understand and agree to be
    appointed the fiduciary. The only time an outside fiduciary is
    appointed is if no family member or friend is willing to do it, and that
    person or agency the VA appoints have under gone extensive background
    checks, credit checks, etc., and have been approved by the VA.

    The VA also has what is called the ‘Guardianship Unit’, which
    constantly monitors the fiduciaries to make sure they are doing what
    they are supposed to do.

    Finally, the author attempts to make
    this appear widespread, and that is simply not the case. And, even if a
    veteran has been declared incompetent for years, he or she can always
    have that decision overturned…seen it…done it.

    And trust me, there are some veterans that are so whacked out
    mentally, that even I wouldn’t want them to have access to a firearm.

    As a disabled veteran, Patriot, and as an American, I am a huge advocate of the 2nd Amendment, but what the author wrote is simply scare mongering, and it does a disservice to veterans.

    • http://twitter.com/thetugboatphil TugboatPhil

      Goth, I thank you for your service and am sure that you did your job well as a veteran’s advocate. But the VA is a federal bureaucracy and ultimately subject to the whims of the current administration and/or the head Cubicle Gopher.

      If you think this can’t become a reality, then you might still believe that a person can keep their own doctor under Obamacare.

      • Gothguy

        Tug, thank you. I am not defending the SCOAMF, what I was attempting to do was clarify some aspects of what the author wrote, because he was not conveying the truth about incompetency findings. I don’t trust the current regime either.

        • Adela Wagner

          I’m with Phil on this too. “This generally applies to folks that are seriously mentally compromised”. …And in the end, who will be determining that? Obamacare Boards, whether they fall under the VA or not…That’s who.

        • Adela Wagner

          I’m with Phil on this too. “This generally applies to folks that are seriously mentally compromised”. …And in the end, who will be determining that? Obamacare Boards, whether they fall under the VA or not…That’s who.

        • d55may

          I have to say, THAT IT”S THE RECORDS. If it is in your record, it’s fact as far as they are concerned. SO, I suggest you check the record AS the doctor is writing in your chart. Chose your words carefully because they write everything you say down. AND it is most times misunderstood. It took me ten years to get a glue sniffling account off of my son’s record. He was in a class (4th Grade) and the teacher asked if any of the students had ever sniffed glue. Well, my son DID NOT know what they were talking about and said, yes (he had smelled ember’s many times) that he did. Well that record followed him all the way into College. RECORDS MATTER……WHAT YOU SAY MATTERS. Bottom line. They finally, after going to court expunged that from his record.

      • Gothguy

        Tug, thank you. I am not defending the SCOAMF, what I was attempting to do was clarify some aspects of what the author wrote, because he was not conveying the truth about incompetency findings. I don’t trust the current regime either.

    • http://twitter.com/thetugboatphil TugboatPhil

      Goth, I thank you for your service and am sure that you did your job well as a veteran’s advocate. But the VA is a federal bureaucracy and ultimately subject to the whims of the current administration and/or the head Cubicle Gopher.

      If you think this can’t become a reality, then you might still believe that a person can keep their own doctor under Obamacare.

    • TheSentinel

      Thank you… and well said!

    • TheSentinel

      Thank you… and well said!

    • walterc

      Thank you for the explanation, but why the threatening language in the letter? and when has the VA ever done anything in 60 days. My son needed a service connected liver test and it took six months to get it done. And even then he had to go from NE Wyoming to Salt Lake at his own expense.

      • Gothguy

        The letters are standard letters drawn up by attorneys at VA Central Office in Washington, D.C., hence the legal terminology in the letters and the citation of the law. Unfortunately, the local VA office are prohibited to change the letters. The 60 day period only deals with veterans already receiving compensation, has nothing to do with seeking disability compensation. As to your sons’ issue, not all VA healthcare facilities have the capacity to do all tests, so they will contract out those services. Since I live in NE, I know how limited the resources are, so that is what I think happened in your sons’ case. If the test was ordered by the VA, in all likelihood, he should not have had to pay for the trip. Did he contact the travel office to seek reimbursement?

        • walterc

          Thanks for the clarification. I’ll have to ask him about the reimbursement part.

          • Gothguy

            Most welcome!

    • walterc

      Thank you for the explanation, but why the threatening language in the letter? and when has the VA ever done anything in 60 days. My son needed a service connected liver test and it took six months to get it done. And even then he had to go from NE Wyoming to Salt Lake at his own expense.

    • $24414377

      Good post gg.

      • Gothguy

        Thank you!

    • http://twitter.com/Dick_Izinia Dick Izinia

      It is still a violation of the veteran’s Fifth Amendment rights. Mental incompetency is supposed to be determined by the judicial system, not some VA bureaucrats. Constitutional due process is NOT being followed in these cases.

    • Maxx

      I’m afraid whether or not the story is misleading in some areas isn’t enough to dismiss the inevitability of what will occur. The fact that a gun-owning vet would even HAVE to “submit medical evidence as to why the proposal should be overturned” is enough to keep many far away from any post-war observations. Surely you must realize the ominous tone of such a “requirement” that puts the burden of proof on the soldier or sailor. Liberal doctors would literally have “carte blanche” to identify any condition as PSTD and thus become their own arbiters for gun control. Sure, it can be fought…but look at your own above procedure for doing so. How many vets would even WANT to go down that nightmarish path?

      Trust me, as a retired Navy man, language like the above would scare off most any Vet, knowing the bureaucratic maze that is the hallmark of the Veterans’s administration. Veterans usually aren’t too motivated to administratively, “prove anything” in order to enjoy a benefit they served to protect.

      You know, I’m getting a bit worried about a growing liberal narrative that anyone returning home from war might be considered too emotionally unstable to carry or own a firearm. We’re not all “on the edge,” incapable of differentiating from right or wrong and Chris Kyle was a perfect example of that.

      We must not let liberal wet dreams of a gun-free nation prevent good men and women, who have served, from enjoying the freedom which the Second Amendment helps to provide and my hunch is, you’re spot on with me on that one.

      Finally, thank you for your service Goth. God bless all of my fellow vets and all Americans who continue to honor and fight for us once we return home.

    • http://www.facebook.com/Heimgangerwarmteuber Hruodberht Evans

      Yeah well being a vet on the business end of it…..the VAMC will try and place on the “incompetence review” list. Don’t paint the VA as something “nice and sweet” . I spent over 2 years as a patient in WRAMC, and an additional 4+ outside of there dealing witht he VA and it and its “advocates” are full of crap. So are most of the “Veterans Advocates”. The VA has screwqed over so many it isnt funny. So dont sugar coat the VA…..you are nothing but a tool. They do send them because some retard sees a vet once and thinks they know crap because they read it in a book. Get your crap straight before you try to sell it.

      • Gothguy

        Do not call me a tool, or state that I am full of crap, for the simple fact you do not know me, you have never met, so you do not know what the hell you are talking about. I was not sugar coating the VA, but merely explaining the procedure, so you need to shut the hell up about me being a tool or full of crap. You are the one with issues, not me.

  • TheSentinel

    People believe what they want to believe and sadly most choose to believe the worst. Crackpot conspiracy sites like Red Flag News and Gateway Pundit suck in the weak of mind who are too lazy to do their own research and end up feeding the paranoia. Stick with vetted news sources and double-check them too. It’s easy too fall for someone else’s screwball theories if you don’t know any better yourself. Obama’s “gub’ment” isn’t as powerful as most want you to believe. The sequester is proof of that. As big of an idiot as he is, Obama isn’t stupid enough to try and dismantle the Constitution. Sadly, there will always be those that sit back and soak up the conspiracy theories and live their life with a half-empty glass. Mine stays at half-full, just like my gas tank.

    • Tish

      Good for you.. you seem to still have some faith in this regime, I DO NOT. first of all, he is not dismantling the Constitution, he is bypassing it. I have not encountered a single conspiracy theory regarding Obama, only facts that are under-reported or not reported at all.. I wish his background or what we know of it was a conspiracy theory but IT IS NOT ! I wish he would tell the truth, heck I would happy if he told the truth 75% of the time, HE DOES NOT.! Please be careful when it comes to this regime.. if anyone should be guilty until proven innocent..IT IS OBAMA & CO.

  • TheSentinel

    People believe what they want to believe and sadly most choose to believe the worst. Crackpot conspiracy sites like Red Flag News and Gateway Pundit suck in the weak of mind who are too lazy to do their own research and end up feeding the paranoia. Stick with vetted news sources and double-check them too. It’s easy too fall for someone else’s screwball theories if you don’t know any better yourself. Obama’s “gub’ment” isn’t as powerful as most want you to believe. The sequester is proof of that. As big of an idiot as he is, Obama isn’t stupid enough to try and dismantle the Constitution. Sadly, there will always be those that sit back and soak up the conspiracy theories and live their life with a half-empty glass. Mine stays at half-full, just like my gas tank.

  • http://twitter.com/Xenophore Xenophore

    It’s long past time we privatize the VA.

  • http://twitter.com/Xenophore Xenophore

    It’s long past time we privatize the VA.

  • Gothguy

    I was not writing in defense of the law that congress wrote regarding this, what I was writing about was to clarify the inaccuracies with what the author wrote in not telling the whole story. The author of the article is writing as if this is a widespread practice, and that is simply not the truth. The VA does not arbitrarily send out those letters as the author conveys, and it is not just one person in the VA who makes the decision if a veteran is incompetent or not as, again, the author of the article conveys.

  • Gothguy

    I was not writing in defense of the law that congress wrote regarding this, what I was writing about was to clarify the inaccuracies with what the author wrote in not telling the whole story. The author of the article is writing as if this is a widespread practice, and that is simply not the truth. The VA does not arbitrarily send out those letters as the author conveys, and it is not just one person in the VA who makes the decision if a veteran is incompetent or not as, again, the author of the article conveys.

  • Kate

    And Vets should trust the administration that is trying to cut military spending, talking about cutting military pay and benefits and IMO does not support the military? I don’t think so. I think there is a great reason to be upset and not to trust Obama. He’s the one running this and pushing anti gun through. They want all our guns. It’s just the beginning.

  • Kate

    And Vets should trust the administration that is trying to cut military spending, talking about cutting military pay and benefits and IMO does not support the military? I don’t think so. I think there is a great reason to be upset and not to trust Obama. He’s the one running this and pushing anti gun through. They want all our guns. It’s just the beginning.

  • Kate

    Rememberr Obama is the guy who wishes to be emperor. Born to dictate. He isn’t one to worry about anyone’s rights. Just his ideology. He said he would fundamentally change Amercia and he certainly is. Too bad so many haven’t been paying attention to what this appalling despot says.

  • Kate

    Rememberr Obama is the guy who wishes to be emperor. Born to dictate. He isn’t one to worry about anyone’s rights. Just his ideology. He said he would fundamentally change Amercia and he certainly is. Too bad so many haven’t been paying attention to what this appalling despot says.

  • CherDash

    Give the government an inch, and they take 10 miles.

  • CherDash

    Give the government an inch, and they take 10 miles.

  • $24414377

    That blog post on the letter is outright fearmongering. I read the post and saw the letter, and it states clearly “adjudicated as incompetent” or unable to handle your own affairs. It is standard language that has been used by the VA for years.
    I have no love for the disaster that is the VA, but there is nothing to this blog post or letter.

    • Guest

      Very well put.

  • http://www.facebook.com/olwen.johnson Olwen Johnson

    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/12/03/1166827/-Some-senators-think-veterans-the-VA-rules-unable-to-handle-their-finances-shouldn-t-lose-gun-rights This is something that’s been in place for well over a decade. It’s being ginned up now to fuel outrage at Obama and the government AGAIN.

  • Gothguy

    OK, I have read many of the replies to my original post and subsequent posts about the process of the VA declaring a veteran incompetent or not, violation of 5th Amendment rights, due process, etc. Again, I was attempting to clarify what the author wrote, not defend the VA. I have seen replies stating that any veteran claiming PTSD or any other mental illness will automatically prevent them from owning firearms, which is patently not true, not showing up for a mental health will prevent the veteran from owning a firearm, etc., etc., etc. Again, I worked as a Veterans Advocate for a national veterans service organization for 16 years, and the process of declaring a veteran incompetent is not as simple as the author of that article attempts to portray. It is a long and complex process, and deals with veterans that have very serious mental health issues, not just “Oh, you have PTSD, so we are gonna take away your guns.” and you have no say so or rights in the matter. The author of that article has cherry picked without proper research before writing what he wrote. As a Disabled Veteran, a Conservative, Patriot, and American, I am very adverse to scare mongering on either side, and that is exactly what the author has done. I have dealt with some seriously mentally disabled veterans (many with serious substance/poly substance abuse) during my career as a Veterans Advocate, and I have to honestly say that some of them should not own firearm. I have witnessed first hand some seriously mentally disabled veterans call in bomb threats, threatening to come to the VA and shoot people, and even veterans showing up with weapons at the VA. Again, what I was attempting to do was not to defend the VA, but to inform and educate those that may not know how a finding of incompetency works, which the author of that article failed to do.

    • msallyjones

      Here is the text of the entire letter

      Dear XXX

      We have received
      information showing that because of your disabilities you may need help in
      handling your VA benefits.

      This letter explains the
      evidence we received, what we must do with this information, the impact on you
      and your VA payments if we decide you cannot handle your benefits and when the
      VA will makea final decision.

      We received a report from
      the Portland VA medical center on December 3, 2012. This evidence indicates you
      are not able to handle your VA payments
because of a physical or mental
      condition.

      We propose to rate you
      incompetent for VA purposes. This means we must decide if you are able to
      handle your VA benefits payments. We will base our decision on all the evidence
      we already have including any evidence you may send us.

      Before we make a final
      determination you have the right to submit any evidence, information or
      statement that supports your side of the case within the next 60 days. Our
      policy is to assist a person with his or her claim in every reasonable way. We
      want you to have every benefit that you are entitled to under the law.

      If the VA decides that you
      are incompetent to handle your benefit payments, VA may appoint a fiduciary
      (payee) to manage your VA payments. All your VA
payments will be made directly
      to your fiduciary. This person or institution must use your VA payments for
      your personal care and is responsible to VA for how the payments are used.

      A determination of
      incompetency will prohibit you from purchasing, possessing, receiving or
      transporting a firearm or ammunition. If you knowingly violate any of these
      prohibitions you may be fined, imprisoned, or both pursuant to the Brady
      Handgun Violence Prevention Act, Pub. Law No. 103-159, as implemented at 18,
      United States Code 924(a)(2).

      If we decide that you are
      unable to handle your VA funds, you may apply to this regional office for the
      relief of prohibitions imposed by the Brady Act with regards to the possession,
      purchase, receipt, or transportation of a firearm. 
Submit your request to the
      address at the top of this letter on the enclosed V Form 21-4138, Statement in
      Support of Claim. VA will determine whether such relief is warranted.

      What should you do? If you
      agree: You don not need to do anything if you agree that you need help managing
      your VA money. We will make our final
decision, tell you what we decided, and
      who will be your fiduciary. However, if you want us to make a final decision
      without waiting the full 60 days, please tell us to do so on the attached VA
      Form 21-4138, Statement in Support of Claim. You should specifically state, “I
      do not have any evidence to submit and I want you to make a final decision
      without waiting the entire 60 day due” process period.

      If you disagree: You must
      send us medical evidence (such as a doctor’s statement) that says your are able
      to handle you won financial affairs in a responsible manner, if you believe you
      are able to handle your VA benefits
without anyone’s help. You should send us
      this evidence within 60 days from the date at the top of this letter.

      Personal Hearing: You may
      request a personal hearing within 30 days from the date at the top of this
      letter to present evidence or argument on
any important point in your claim. We
      will arrange a time and a place for the hearing. You may bring witnesses who
      have personal knowledge of the circumstances. We will consider their testimony
      and keep it as part of our permanent records. We will furnish the hearing room,
      provide
hearing officials, and prepare the transcript of the proceedings. We
      cannot pay for other expenses of the hearing because we hold a personal hearing
      only upon a claimant’s request.

      Representation: An
      accredited representative of a veterans’ organization or other service
      organization recognized by the Secretary of Veterans Affairs will represent you
      without charge. An agent or attorney may also represent you. An agent or
      attorney can charge your for services performed on or after the date of a final
      decision by the Board of Veterans Appeals (38 USC 5904))

      When will we make a
      Decision? If we don’t hear from you within the next 60
days, we will assume you
      have no additional evidence and do not want a
hearing. After those 60 days we
      will make our decision using the evidence we already have and tell you our
      decision.

      Register now for
      eBenefits. As a registered eBenefits user you can access 
personalized VA
      information, apply for benefits online, and check VA claim
status. For
      registration information: Call xxxxx and select option
7 or Contact us at
      xxxxx,gov or Visit the VA Regional Office at the address listed at the top of
      this letter.

      If you are looking for
      general information about benefits and eligibility, you should visit our web
      site at xxxxx. Otherwise, you can contact us in several ways. Please give us
      your VA file number, when you do contact us. Call us at xxxx. If you use a telecommunications
      Device for the Deaf the number is xxx

      We look forward to
      resolving your claim in a fair and timely manner.

      Sincerely yours

  • Guest

    As a veteran I have been to the VA Hospital here in Kansas City, Mo. What a very sad place it is to be a patient or even to visit. I will never again seek treatment at such a horrendous facility. Nobody should ever seek treatment at such a filthy facility. The Veterans Administration really ought to first get their own act together prior to deciding who ought or ought not own a weapon. Correct me if I am wrong, however I do not believe that any mass shooting in the United States has ever been conducted by a veteran of the United States Military (the one exception may be the University of Texas in the late 60’s, but did not armed civilians keep that whack job penned down until authorities could dispatch him).

  • d55may

    PTSD is considered a mental problem and they ARE trying to stop ALL people who have been diagnosed with mental problems from purchasing or owning a firearm. THOSE ARE THE FACTS. When they run a background check, all of that information will come up. Remember they are putting ALL of our medical records on file. Maybe it’s why more and more people are being diagnosed with mental problems.

  • Mark James

    G Gordon Liddy once said on his radio show that he is a felon and cannot own a firearm, however, Mrs. Liddy is not a felon.

  • Jena Carver

    As the wife of a veteran who is currently recieving a pension I can speak to my experience only. My husband is currently recieving a pension and it is our only source of income. Due to his physical disabilities he requires help with daily living situations such as bathing and preparing meals. We applied over a yr ago for aid and attendance because I can not work and provide his care too. After 10 months they scheduled an appt for deterimination and one of these appts was with a phsychiatrist. For the whole of our 25 yr marriage I have always paid the bills and handled our finances. Now during this appt my husband was asked how much money he recieved from the Va and how much the bills were. He was unable to answer and in fact told the dr that he would need to ask his wife because he didnt handle the bills. He has been on Morphine for the past ten yrs through the Va but prescribed for a nonservice connected disability. We recieved a call this week saying that the Va want to declare him finacially incomptent and during this call we were advised that due to this the Brady bill would come into effect. The morphine has caused memory loss but has nothing to do with why we applied for aid and attendance in the first place. We have also been told that they could suspend his benifits until a fiduciary can be appointed. This pension is what we live on and if they do this we will be on the street. And if we fight we could be on the street as well.

  • James Joyce

    Don’t trust anything they, I have delayed over two months for a rifle I bought my son for Christmas, no reason, no answers, no explanations, they do what they want to.