We know former Rep. Ron Paul has some wacky ideas about national defense and foreign policy, but this is truly beyond the pale even for him.

https://twitter.com/NathanWurtzel/status/298484839311609856

Related:

Twisted ghouls descend on murder victim, American hero Chris Kyle

Mother Jones editor dances on Chris Kyle’s grave to argue for gun control

Update:

Buzzfeed confirms that Ron Paul runs his own Twitter feed:

Former Texas Rep. Ron Paul has been attracting negative attention all day for a tweet he sent Monday morning regarding the death of former Navy SEAL sniper Chris Kyle at the hands of an Iraq War veteran. But get used to off-the-cuff Twitter activity from the former presidential candidate: Paul, 77, is now running his own Twitter feed, a spokesperson says.

“He runs it,” said Campaign for Liberty communications director Megan Stiles, who is handling Paul’s press requests since he retired. She clarified that Paul started handling his own tweets “since he left office.”

Update:

Yes, Ron Paul, some veterans with PTSD go to the gun range for therapy

  • http://twitter.com/stupid_republic Stupid Republic

    This is why you don’t mix gin with Geritol.

    • ForTheRepublic

      Or Ron Paul with politics

      • Calcat36

        Or Paulbots with reality.

      • Calcat36

        Or Paulbots with reality.

  • Rafael Eduardo Peña-Rios Riber

    you know ron, arent you a vet?

    • Calcat36

      “I got a note that said I would be drafted into the army as a buck private unless I wanted to volunteer, then I could be a doctor and I could be a captain. So guess what? I became a volunteer, and I kid about that, but it was rather serious. I
      was not too happy about going in, but it must not have bothered me too
      much, because I ended up staying in the Air National Guard afterwards.”

      He was a defacto draftee. And he has been angry and anti military ever since. An Air Force doctor disparaging a grunt sniper. The most decorated with the highest confirmed kills since Gunny Hathcock in Vietnam. As a former Marine, I side with the grunt and would prefer to frag the pompous doc.

  • Christian Heiens

    Facepalm….Ron you’re giving libertarianism a bad name now! :(

    • Calcat36

      He never had a good name, did he? Outside of the indoor weed growing/legalize now community, that is. He changes parties more than he changes his depends. If he is such a libertarian hero warrior, let him RUN as one and stop corrupting the republican party with his craziness, LIKE THIS.

      • Christian Heiens

        I never said his name, I said “libertarianism”. Liberty is so much bigger than one man or figure.

    • Calcat36

      He never had a good name, did he? Outside of the indoor weed growing/legalize now community, that is. He changes parties more than he changes his depends. If he is such a libertarian hero warrior, let him RUN as one and stop corrupting the republican party with his craziness, LIKE THIS.

    • BorderLine Guy

      “Now?”

    • BorderLine Guy

      “Now?”

    • arrow2010

      Why does Ron Paul get to define libertarianism?

    • arrow2010

      Why does Ron Paul get to define libertarianism?

    • V the K

      Hey, Ron, Todd Akin called. He says ‘Thank you.’

  • Kevin Krom

    This is what I have against to so-called “Paulbots” — they are enamored of Paul’s economic philosophies and small-government posturing, but they ignore crap like this that the rest of us cringe over.

    • arrow2010

      They honestly don’t care or agree with his military bashing.

      • bonnieblue2A

        Again with the wide brush. No, not all agree.

        • CanofSand

          “Oh, sure, I proudly associate myself with Hitler, but it has nothing to do with his more radical and evil positions! He made the trains run on time, you know? So he’s not all bad! We should defend him!”

    • arrow2010

      They honestly don’t care or agree with his military bashing.

    • bonnieblue2A

      You paint with a very wide brush with your assumption; and, much like the apparent Ron Paul tweet, it serves no useful purpouse. No, it is not ignored by all.
      Has there never been an individual whose ideas you could support much of the time but certain statements just made you cringe? Never?

      • Calcat36

        Ronald Reagan and Jesus Christ. Any other questions bonnie?

        • Stone Bryson

          Bonnie may not, but I do. If you are genuinely enamored with Jesus Christ, why are you not supporting Dr. Paul? After all, it IS Jesus’ words Paul is quoting here. Right?

          • Calcat36

            Satan quoted God’s words in the desert to Jesus Himself. What is your point?

          • Calcat36

            Hey Stone, Satan quoted God to Jesus in the desert. What is your point, again?

          • Calcat36

            Well said from a non-believer. Let me remind you that Satan tempted Jesus in the desert with words verbatim of God. Just because your hero quotes something in the bible, it does not make him a follower. Nice try though.

            You and your “doctor” can go find the grave and piss on it. I’m sure it will make both of you happy.

          • Stone Bryson

            ZOMG did you just call me (or was it Dr. Paul) Satan?!?! That’s the funniest thing I have seen in weeks. What wonderful, self-involved arrogance. This is awesome – the best comment for which I could have hoped. I got a huge promotion from merely being a heathen in one comment! Thanks!

            *Holsters assault sarcasm*

            I could remind you that Yeshua (a truer translation of his name) taught things like peace and non-violence and love and forgiveness – and that Dr. Paul is himself a lifelong, pro-life Christian – but I reckon it would fall on deaf ears. As for the Dr. Paul ‘hero’ crack – I was merely asking a question, which I have learned is a sin unforgivable on both extremes of the political spectrum.

            Thanks for the chuckles. The Pharisees would have welcomed you into their inner circle with open arms.

            Be at peace…

          • Calcat36

            Ok, let me type S-L-O-W-L-Y so you can follow. I didn’t call you or your hero Satan. You asked a question and I responded to your attempt at insult by using your word “enamored” by Jesus. I follow Him. Now you claim to be the second coming after trying to berate me! THAT is truly funny. Your doctor does NOT support the US in it’s (until obarry), support of the JEWS way over there in Israel. And I am the follower of the JEWISH God (YHWH) and His Son Jesus as translated into my ignorant tongue. My native language calls Him Jezus Chrystus. Your precious doctor must have been absent the day they taught that our Country is founded on Judeo-Christian beliefs, because he will NOT support the JEWS in their struggle to simply exist.

            You were not merely asking a question. You were agitating and defending your hero. But that is ok. I, like Chris, served to provide you that right. So feel free to keep pissing on me and his memory in favor of your hero, if that makes you feel superior. It is, after all, about YOU, doctor Paul, and legalizing your happy weed!

            Keep name calling. Let me remind you, dear one, the the Sanhedrin crucified Christ. You would have followed them as blindly as you follow your good hero doctor. The “christian.” The same christian that put out racist newsletters then tried to DENY he did so. Yeah, you picked a winner. Who has won NOTHING.

            This would all be wicked frickin pissah if it were not so serious in the way your good doctor slandered the memory of a great military warrior. So you keep giggling like a schoolgirl homeboy.

          • Stone Bryson

            Wait a second – this whole flame war got started because I used the word ENAMORED? That you took that as an insult? OK, dictionary please…

            enamor: to fill or inflame with love

            How in the world did you take that as an attempt at an insult?

            Let me take a just a moment to run through your list of inaccuracies.

            1) I have never made even one negative comment on Chris Kyle, either on my Twitter page nor on any of the stories posted here.

            2) Nowhere can you find anywhere where I have defended Dr. Paul’s statement here, nor at any point where I called him a ‘hero.’ I respect many of his views, while some of his stances I disagree with completely. This is one time where I think he was wrong.

            3) I asked a question, hoping to gain understanding how, as a Christian, you balance Yeshua’s demand to put down the sword while celebrating a sniper. No offense intended toward Mr. Kyle, nor you for that matter, just exploring. Then I saw the sheer volume of your postings, and I made one snarky comment; for that, I owe you a sincere apology.

            4) I highly doubt that Mr. Paul is insulting the memory of a brave warrior with his tweet. While I would never presume to speak for another, I’d guess he spoke from his conviction as Christian, as he always has; that you two differ in your interpretations of Yeshua’s words is none of my concern.

            5) I have NEVER claimed to be the second anything. For cripes sake, I’m lucky to get around to things the first time they come up.

            6) I’m not, nor shall I ever be, your homeboy.

            Bored now. Going to find someone capable of intelligent, thoughtful conversation, one who does not base their discussions on rampant emotion. Again… be at peace.

          • Calcat36

            Go “explore” more ways to be a BS artist. You are the flamer, flamer. And this is by no means “war.” I have been there. Have you? You still fail to make answer. I am not the only one to point out your idiocy. Your weak arsed reply is wrong on so many levels, but if it makes you so very happy, go to your happy space, and think about how you screwed up trying to be a smart ass with your challenging post about Jesus and your idiot question that showed your ass. Here it is…

            “Stone Bryson Calcat36 • 2 hours ago
            Bonnie may not, but I do. If you are genuinely enamored with Jesus Christ, why are you not supporting Dr. Paul? After all, it IS Jesus’ words Paul is quoting here. Right?”

            I enjoy eviscerating non-believers like you who think you know Jeshua, Jesus, God, The Father, Abba, Eloi, Eli, Emmanuel… and try to preach His Word without knowledge. You sound like Larry O’dumbell over there at MSDNC and like him, you make an EPIC FAILURE out of yourself. Next time, think before you become a keyboard commando with a 12 year old’s smart assed remark.

            So go ahead and run homeboy. If I were as screwed up as you, I would do the same. I certainly am not going anywhere!

            Rampant emotion? Isn’t that why you run? gave you facts, not emotion, yet you again attack falsely. Good liberal. Go get your MSDNC cookie. Know that Jeshua loves you too. If you REPENT!

            You dared say “If” I am enamored by Jesus, responding to a question NOT DIRECTED TO YOU in the first place. I will not support a false prophet that YOU follow. It is written: “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.”

            I do not support your god doc paul because he is a false prophet, a liar, a racist, and wrong on Israel. Need more?

          • freetherepublic

            actually, Jeshua never said thou shall not kill, he said thou shall not murder, big difference.
            Luke 22:35 where “Jesus tells his disciples to sell their garments (cloaks) and buy a sword.

          • Calcat36

            Hey, you just stop with all of that truth, you Pharisee you! Truth be told, God gave Moses that Commandment. Jesus simply reinforced it. (SHHHH jay, Moses was a J-E-W) DO NOT tell anyone that! Doc paul would let ’em all hang out to dry in the desert if he had his isolationist ways…

          • rogueco

            for those of you saying this was a quote from Jesus, here is the actual Revelations (13:10) verse:
            “he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword.”

            That is NOT the same as the saying “live by the sword, die by the sword”. If you claim Paul is quoting the scripture, then he certainly would be stating that Kyle deserved what he got.

          • Stone Bryson

            Matthew 26, v52.

          • rogueco

            for those of you saying this was a quote from Jesus, here is the actual Revelations (13:10) verse:
            “he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword.”

            That is NOT the same as the saying “live by the sword, die by the sword”. If you claim Paul is quoting the scripture, then he certainly would be stating that Kyle deserved what he got.

        • Stone Bryson

          BTW Calcat… as of this post one-fourth of the 115 on this thread are yours – really? Obsess much?

          Seriously, seek help from a competent professional. This hatred you carry is very unhealthy…

          • Calcat36

            No hatred. What you consider hatred is TRUTH. So I say to you, seek help. I will defend my fallen brother in arms from those that would attack a dead hero. But you will never comprehend that bond, so you ridicule and make snarky comments. He and I served for you to do so. You are welcome.

            Also, you and your bully tactic will not see me relent. Your comment has NOTHING to do with the topic, which means you are simply an agitator. Good luck with that.

          • Calcat36

            You went and did that math? Who really needs help?

          • Calcat36

            You did all of that math? Obsess much? OCD? Do yourself a favor, get the help that YOU need. First Amendment is not limited, right? And just for you, that has nothing to contribute, I am not going anywhere. Deal with it.

      • Kevin Krom

        When those statements are so far beyond the pale as to make the individual a complete loon? No, never.

      • http://twitter.com/yahneverknowCB yahneverknow

        Kudos. It’s difficult to paint the mental image of someone staring down their nose at the computer screen while typing, but you managed to capture that sense.

        The point is… Ron Paul fanatics actively ignore and/or secretly agree with some of his more… uh… wacky ideas about foreign policy & the military. Period. They seem to believe that holding hands and kumbayah will just take care of that pesky war/military might stuff.

        I respect Mr. Paul for his ability to speak his mind, no matter what. On certain issues, the country should listen. On other issues, he’s a complete wackball. There is no way in hell he should be President, as 99% of Ron Paul fanatics think.

        • bonnieblue2A

          Labels, wide paintbrushes, and crystal balls appear to be in abundant supply to many in this comments section.

          Check the links I’ve posted in other comments for a map to the high road.

          • http://twitter.com/yahneverknowCB yahneverknow

            You can keep your whiny outrage and word games. I’d suggest getting a dictionary, though. It might help you with your comprehension of others.

            I assume (OMG! HOW DARE I?) you are a liberal playing at libertarianism. I wish you luck if you are, but please stop telling others what they are supposed to say or think. It gets old after a while.

          • Calcat36

            Thank you yahnever…

          • Calcat36

            You dear bonnie, have painted with a wide brush as well. You called all of us that stand up for the dead veteran, “attackers” on a “wagon.”

      • David Molinarolo

        While ordinarily one would agree with you on not painting with a broad brush, however with Ron Paul and his Paulbots, the repeated cringe inducing on this issue that would make the US less safe due to a increasingly dangerous world, just makes the ignoring of Ron’s beliefs by his sycophants even more troubling. Providing for the common national defense is one of the duties of the federal government is SUPPOSED TO HAVE via the Constitution, and Ron Paul thinks adopting a pacifist stance is the way to go.

    • Modres

      I read one individual who again said how much they love Ron Paul (after his tweet) because he calls it as he sees it about the unconstitutionality of wars, etc.

      Trouble is these are military people who obeyed orders. I’m not sure what good it does to rip a verse out of Scripture and try to apply it to something like this.

      What happened was murder, plain and simple. People are killed every day and most of them have never been snipers. How do we explain those deaths?

      • Calcat36

        As I posted here somewhere, did the Sandy Hook children live by the sword? No. Then why were they to die by one? The flaw in liberal/Paulistinian thought processes.

        • magormissabib

          youre not paying attention,. they died for fag marriage

      • Calcat36

        As I posted here somewhere, did the Sandy Hook children live by the sword? No. Then why were they to die by one? The flaw in liberal/Paulistinian thought processes.

    • Modres

      I read one individual who again said how much they love Ron Paul (after his tweet) because he calls it as he sees it about the unconstitutionality of wars, etc.

      Trouble is these are military people who obeyed orders. I’m not sure what good it does to rip a verse out of Scripture and try to apply it to something like this.

      What happened was murder, plain and simple. People are killed every day and most of them have never been snipers. How do we explain those deaths?

  • Christian Heiens

    Luckily it’s about the message, not the man. In spite of Ron Paul acting like a complete moron just a few minutes ago, Rand, or Amash, or whoever, will still carry the message of limited government and liberty forward.

    • Calcat36

      Conservatives, via the TEA Party will do more for libertarians than libertarians themselves. They are for limited government. Check it out.

    • Calcat36

      Conservatives, via the TEA Party will do more for libertarians than libertarians themselves. They are for limited government. Check it out.

  • Calcat36

    Same could be said about you Rue Paul and all of your presidential hopeful runs. But don’t worry, we now have your son to kick around. Like father, like son. The apple doesn’t fall far from the tree. Which party have you now infected? That man had more patriotism than you and your entire worthless family.

    • http://www.facebook.com/paul.matthews.77377692 Paul Matthews

      Let’s not yet judge the son for the sins of the father.

      • http://extremesplash.wordpress.com/ Ben Bollman

        And let’s not forget that Rand Paul supported Romney instead of his father in the last election.

      • http://extremesplash.wordpress.com/ Ben Bollman

        And let’s not forget that Rand Paul supported Romney instead of his father in the last election.

      • Calcat36

        It was sarcasm. It was meant to throw stupid quotes back a the person who made the stupid statement in the first place. If I were serious, I would have pointed out how the old chip off the old block never told his father during the run up to nomination, just how stupid some of his comments were. Silence is agreement.

      • Calcat36

        It was sarcasm. It was meant to throw stupid quotes back a the person who made the stupid statement in the first place. If I were serious, I would have pointed out how the old chip off the old block never told his father during the run up to nomination, just how stupid some of his comments were. Silence is agreement.

    • http://www.facebook.com/paul.matthews.77377692 Paul Matthews

      Let’s not yet judge the son for the sins of the father.

  • FreedomFighter

    Was his twitter account hacked???

    • annoyinglittletwerp

      I doubt it, because that statement is something he would say.

    • Calcat36

      Nope. His brain was altered in the mother wheel floating just outside of the atmosphere…

      You can only get there by LEGALIZING NOW!

    • http://extremesplash.wordpress.com/ Ben Bollman

      nope he actually believes that shit.

    • http://extremesplash.wordpress.com/ Ben Bollman

      nope he actually believes that shit.

    • http://www.theconservativevoices.com/ dmacleo

      as I tweeted, losing potus multiple times causes brain damblage..

      • Calcat36

        Running multiple times under multiple party affiliations is a sign of mental instability! Insanity would be to run multiple times under the same party affiliation and expecting to win!

      • Calcat36

        Running multiple times under multiple party affiliations is a sign of mental instability! Insanity would be to run multiple times under the same party affiliation and expecting to win!

    • http://www.theconservativevoices.com/ dmacleo

      as I tweeted, losing potus multiple times causes brain damblage..

  • nhthinker

    The second sentence seems to make perfect sense: “Treating PTSD at a firing range doesn’t make sense” but the die by the sword saying is really not applicable and inappropriate.

    PTSD and firing ranges seems like a risky endeavor.

    • Hiraghm

      No, I imagine the familiarity of the activity in a peaceful environment is a good transition aid. Like inuring fire-horses to fire by familiarity, maybe the activity at the gun range helps break the mental association between gunfire and past incidents of mortal danger.

    • Calcat36

      NH thinker, did you ever serve? Shooting is relaxing and therapeutic to those of us that have. It forces you to concentrate by putting everything out of your mind and focusing on the target and trying to zero it out. Some people use drugs, or alcohol, or other self-destructive means to deal with PTSD and other medical conditions such as anxiety or depression. You should think more and judge less. It doesn’t make sense to YOU which means YOU are not a doctor or the arbiter of what others find to relieve stress. Something went wrong. Let’s hope that we get the answers. Then sentence the shooter to death after a proper trial. Therefore, he will die by his sword satisfying the crazy Rue Paul and his mindless minions.

      • nhthinker

        Do you have PTSD? Are you a psychiatrist that has studied Eddie Ray Routh’s condition and fully understood the potential benefits and risks of having Eddie Ray firing a weapon at a shooting range? Chris Kyle was attempting something very loving and compassionate with something that had risk to it…As this was an experimental therapy, there are risks. It just seems there are many potential disorders associated with PTSD- some more obvious, some latent. Accidents happen even when precautions are taken if the benefits outweigh the risk.

        I’ve been to the firing range many times…I have never shot at any person nor been shot at nor have I ever been diagnosed with PTSD.

        Therapy for someone with a mental disorder that involves the person firing a lethal weapon would seem generally to involve risks outweighing the benefits in many cases. Something like 22 veterans every day commit suicide with a firearm.

        • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002109532283 Jillane Kent

          Veteran Affairs documents, linked elsewhere on this site, would seem to contradict your premise. The therapeutic value of desensitization and habituation seem to have a positive correlation with PTSD recovery.

          • nhthinker

            Please provide the link that weighs benefits to risk involved and discusses appropriate precautions. Thanks,

        • Calcat36

          I was in combat professor. Were you? My “range” was human targets. You ever take a human life or do you only shoot clay? I shoot at my range almost every day for therapy and I have no desire to end another person’s life. So once again, armchair general and keyboard commando, think before you type NH “Thinker.” So far you have been proven to be brain dead. And no one really cares what an armchair general commando like yourself thinks about anything, especially in an arena to which you have never set foot. Tough thinker guy.

          And, retard, how many NON SERVICEMEN/WOMEN commit suicide everyday with a firearm? HINT: MORE THAN 22. Wanna try some more? Or will you shut up now?

          • nhthinker

            The rate of veterans committing suicide with a firearm is much higher than that of non-veterans. You can ignore the facts or you can embrace them eyes wide open. The therapy is experimental…Its not well documented in psychiatric literature. It probably works very well on many PTSD sufferers…What is hard to quantify is the likelihood of it leading to a tragic event like the one suffered by the three involved in this incident.

    • http://www.facebook.com/paul.matthews.77377692 Paul Matthews

      Only if you let your guard down.

    • http://www.facebook.com/paul.matthews.77377692 Paul Matthews

      Only if you let your guard down.

    • justicerules2

      exactly.

    • justicerules2

      exactly.

    • http://www.theconservativevoices.com/ dmacleo

      its also a valid therapy used many times.

    • http://www.theconservativevoices.com/ dmacleo

      its also a valid therapy used many times.

  • George Washington Mclintock

    Libertarian party wants us to believe it is an alternative to the GOP. That’s not the case if they hold to the same beliefs on the 2nd Amendment and the military as Daily Kos bloggers. All the Libertarians out there need to disavow Dr. Paul’s tweet and show they stand by American’s veterans and our 2nd Amendment freedoms

    • http://extremesplash.wordpress.com/ Ben Bollman

      A libertarian once gave me the best description of them: They are far right financially and far left socially. They are anti-military, pro-abortion, pro-gay rights, and pro-drug. Basically they are conservatives without the moral component which to me is the more important part of being conservative.

      • SammFan

        The conundrum many of us Conservatives have with Libertarianism is the squeeze from the Progressives. If we could get away with being “Anti-Abortion/GayMarriage/Drug but still agree/allow them to be “legal”, we could be Libertarians. If the Progressives insist we not only have to make it legal, but can’t express our disdain for the practice from the bully pull pit lest we hurt someones “feelgoods” – and then be accused of introducing morals/religion into the public debate, then we have to be “anti”. I’m against outlying everything I don’t agree with, but don’t try and make me agree with it as punishment for supporting your right to do stupid stuff.

        All that said, the L’s do lose me with the notion of laying down for the world from a defense/foreign policy standpoint. I’d support a massive scale back, but not the notion of letting Putin, China or Ah-ma-nut-job run rough shod over the smaller countries of the world.

        • Nathan J. Forck

          I know that conundrum well as I was exactly where you were not very long ago. I was always one of those, “I love Ron Paul but his foreign policy…” However, I think you are making a giant leap from Ron Paul’s arguments against unconstitutional (undeclared by Congress) wars to him saying that he would let bad guys run the world. He has said that he would prosecute the war if it was declared by Congress as Commander in Chief, even if he didn’t personally support going to war. Fortunately, I got tired of picking and choosing which parts of the Constitution I wanted to see followed and his foreign policy made much greater sense in the context of how our Founder’s viewed the role of the Executive Branch in prosecuting wars.

          • Calcat36

            So he declared he would follow the Constitution, like George Bush did, right? How mighty white of him. Speaking of which, has RP gone back to racist newsletter in retirement? The last undeclared war was the “police action” Baraka the wise unleashed in Libya. YES, war was declared by Congress, even Mr. I voted for the War, before I voted against it-JK.

          • Nathan J. Forck

            You are like a neocon cartoon character. Disturbing as hell, but also entertaining.

          • Calcat36

            Name calling now, by a tolerant liberal. Classic. I am to the RIGHT of neocons. They are too left for me. Thanks for the attempted compliment though.

          • Nathan J. Forck

            I don’t even think you know what you mean by that. A neocon is basically a liberal that supports foreign intervention…Established by Erving Kristol, a pro-Vietnam democrat. I called you a “cartoon character”…Do you really think you were being more civil to Ron Paul supporters?

          • Calcat36

            The term “neocon” is adaptive and meant as an insult as is the term “liberal” which is why the left keeps trying to reinvent themselves. My point is and was, call me whatever name you want, because you lack argument in the arena. No, I am not civil to Paulbots, especially disgusting ones that support the slander and defamation of a dead combat war hero due to a tragic incident. If that meets your criteria to call me a cartoon, you go right ahead. I am a proud neocon cartoon that will not see another former brother in arms be dishonored, especially by the likes of Ron Paul who despises the US Military, yet likes the protection we have- and will continue to, provide for his “eccentric” ideas and “thoughts” that would lead him to disparage a hero. That goes for the Paulbot apologists as well.

            So you blast away with your name calling. I was in the arena fighting for you to do so.

      • Nathan J. Forck

        Absolutely false. There are many pro-life libertarians (like Ron Paul) who believe that the right to your own life is essential to your liberty. If by “pro-gay rights” you mean government sanctioning of gay marriage, that is NOT a libertarian ideal as the government has no business intervening in any marriage. I don’t know what you mean by “anti-military”. Perhaps you are conflating being against undeclared, preemptive wars with being “anti-military”. Finally, they are not pro-drug…well, some are, I’m sure. But most just says that the federal government has no Constitutional authority to regulate drugs. Ron Paul said that the states would be free to criminalize drugs and I am sure that a number of them would, but that the federal government has no Constitutional jurisdiction over the subject matter. I wonder about “morality” references from those that fully support drone bombing innocents in undeclared, unconstitutional wars.

      • MrClean961

        Ben, do all Republicans think exactly alike? I know that they don’t since there are two distinct camps in the GOP at present, the Tea Party and the old guard Republicans (or Country Club Republicans if you will). The Libertarian Party is no different. How do I know this? Because I’m a Libertarian.

        Now I know this is going to shock the Hell of you, but I’m pro-life, so you’re already wrong. I am a veteran of the United States Marine Corps, so I am sure not anti-military. I’m not pro gay rights either. I simply do not make it my business who sleeps with who, as long as it doesn’t involve me, and both parties are consenting adults. I don’t care if somebody smokes some weed, as long as they’re not driving a car or doing something else that might cause them to injure another person.

        You see, that’s the best way to define a Libertarian. Most of us are simply strict constructionist followers of the Constitution. I might add that Republicans are just as apt to violate that venerable document as a Democrat. I love it when some ignorant jackwagon pontificates about what I believe and misses it on every damn front.

        • Infinite_Indeterminism

          “who sleeps with who”…

          Last time I checked, the hoopla was about having public weddings, a “legal recognition” of their “marriages”, and – in short – being given the right to force everybody else to accept their “marriages”.

          And so I find it interesting that someone who is quite aware of what the contentious issue is, still tries to convey ignorance on the subject, and to tell us that it is about “who is sleeping with whom”…

          As for Mr Paul’s statement – that’s about what I would expect from him, and I have long since given up on expecting him to show any form of measured judgement…

          • Calcat36

            I do not care to know who is sleeping with whom or what goes in in any private bedroom. I do care that the idea that it is “normal” and is forced upon me to accept it as normal, and then to teach my children that it is normal in the public school system that shuns the God we follow based on a false pretense not found in the Constitution, is WRONG. If it doesn’t matter what goes on behind closed doors, stop indoctrinating children to accept he abnormality known as sodomy.

            The public schools should not be in the business of expanding propaganda contrary to personal religious beliefs held by each INDIVIDUAL student. Therein lies the problem with liberalism.

          • Infinite_Indeterminism

            In that case we agree – and I still wonder why you wrote what you wrote, since the “private bedroom” hasn’t been an issue for something like a generation. What’s being fought about, is what I wrote – and I would have thought you would be aware of this…

          • Calcat36

            It started out like that at first. NOW it is compared to something equivalent to a civil right, which it is not. Marriage is one man and one woman. The rest is BS to destroy the traditional family, family values, and everything that has made this Country great. The Russians vowed to destroy us from inside. The liberals, the homosexuals, the greenie weenies, are all making that happen.

            Yet liberals preach to us to accept islam. Really? Do they tolerate homosexuals? Do they care about the environment? Do they consider females property?

            It took a generation and more to get HERE. What is up for the NEXT generation?

          • Infinite_Indeterminism

            Sorry, sir – I just noticed that I had misread the identities of two posters: You were talking to the same poster I was talking to, and in the process I mistook you for him. Sorry!

          • Infinite_Indeterminism

            Sorry, sir – I just noticed that I had misread the identities of two posters: You were talking to the same poster I was talking to, and in the process I mistook you for him. Sorry!

        • Calcat36

          Semper Fidelis brother. Class of Parris Island, 1stBN A Co, Plt 1026 graduated 4 April 1989. You are more conservative than libertarian.

        • http://extremesplash.wordpress.com/ Ben Bollman

          Not caring and not taking a stand on those issues is the same as supporting them. What good is being a pro-life, pro-military Christian if what you vote for doesn’t support those things? It is called being spineless. I think people like Ron Paul care more about what progressives both here and abroad think of them than taking a stand on those issues. If you don’t take a stand on what you believe then what’s the point of believing in it?

          Also, the Founders meant for us to use Christian values to guide our policies and that doesn’t mean the ‘anything goes’ attitude that Paul Libertarians have. If we hope to survive as a country our leaders have to support moral principles, not just say “screw it” and let doctors kill babies and let terrorists build armies and weapons to destroy us. I think you believe those things too which means you are more conservative than libertarian.

    • http://extremesplash.wordpress.com/ Ben Bollman

      A libertarian once gave me the best description of them: They are far right financially and far left socially. They are anti-military, pro-abortion, pro-gay rights, and pro-drug. Basically they are conservatives without the moral component which to me is the more important part of being conservative.

  • http://twitter.com/logan3759 Logan

    Oh come on, was this insensitive? Yes. but hardly a “Disgusting attack”
    RP is a vet to BTW.

    • Brian Jones

      So is John Kerry…

      • Calcat36

        Who reported for dooooty!

      • Calcat36

        Who reported for dooooty!

    • Calcat36

      RP took a commission when he was threatened to be drafted as a “buck private.” He is NO WAR HERO as is Chris Kyle, the COMBAT VETERAN that “RP” disparaged.

    • Calcat36

      RP took a commission when he was threatened to be drafted as a “buck private.” He is NO WAR HERO as is Chris Kyle, the COMBAT VETERAN that “RP” disparaged.

    • http://www.facebook.com/paul.matthews.77377692 Paul Matthews

      Does it matter if he was a vet? When you turn your back on your brethren and country, you become a traitor.

      • http://www.facebook.com/corey.dennison Corey Dennison

        Absolutely correct. The fact that he was a ‘vet’ makes his comments that much worse!

    • http://www.facebook.com/paul.matthews.77377692 Paul Matthews

      Does it matter if he was a vet? When you turn your back on your brethren and country, you become a traitor.

  • http://extremesplash.wordpress.com/ Ben Bollman

    This is why I will never be a Ron Paul libertarian, they have utter disdain for anything to do with the military and foreign policy altogether. I’m tired of this batshit crazy idea that if we pretend the rest of the world doesn’t exist they will leave us alone. Do they not realize that most of our enemies hate us simply for the fact that we exist and leaving them alone means we are basically letting them have free reign to build armies to destroy us?

    • arrow2010

      Why must America be the world’s policeman?

      • Calcat36

        Go to Mecca and find out for yourself. Or pick up a history book and read about WWI, WWII, the War on Terrorism since the mooslim Barbary pirates started their crap. Or, just get high and be happy.

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9tv4KjEon6c

        Even Stewie gets it more than YOU.

      • http://extremesplash.wordpress.com/ Ben Bollman

        Because we are a Christian country that cannot stand idly by while good people are suffering under evil tyrannical regimes.

    • arrow2010

      Why must America be the world’s policeman?

    • fenom23

      don’t be so self centered, no one hates us simply because we exist

      • Calcat36

        Explain “Death to America!” always preached by the religion of peace. Tell me, genius, who the Big Satan and the Little Satan are… Then turn off MSDNC and the propaganda media that you follow so blindly.

      • wwbdinct

        Hah hah. Not the case if you are a lefty!

      • http://www.theconservativevoices.com/ dmacleo

        yeah Israel, and by its extension its supporters, has NEVER been told they should not exist.

        • Calcat36

          Mhm. And Iran wants a nuke “for peace!” Not to wipe Israel off of the map, or to drive them into the sea!

      • http://extremesplash.wordpress.com/ Ben Bollman

        Yes, because there was a good reason 9/11 happened. Radical Muslims hate that we have freedom and capitalism, they hate us for being us.

        • ERMERGERD

          We don’t have much freedom. The communist democrats over the past fifty years have tried to get rid of that.

        • ERMERGERD

          We don’t have much freedom. The communist democrats over the past fifty years have tried to get rid of that.

    • Nathan J. Forck

      Yes, they hate us for our awesomeness. Not because we bomb them…because I’m sure you would be totally cool if a foreign country did that to us and said they were fighting terrorism, right?

      • Calcat36

        They already do. They just use the word INFIDELS instead of rag head, diaper wearing terrorists. Get a clue, or smoke a bone.

        Tell me that North Korea loves us. Are we bombing them? Cuba? Venezuela? CHINA? Do they love us?

        • Nathan J. Forck

          Yeah, you aren’t very bright. Never mind.

          • Calcat36

            Wicked awesome comeback. Ron hasn’t given you a talking point to cover that yet? I iz stupidz. I only waz sent to defend youze from doze peeps.

            Yeah, good liberal. When you get yourself face palmed, start calling names. Again, go get high and let the adults have a conversation.

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002109532283 Jillane Kent

            Why did you decline to answer his question?

      • http://extremesplash.wordpress.com/ Ben Bollman

        Oh boy here come the Paulbots….

        • Nathan J. Forck

          And whose “bot” are you?

          • Calcat36

            The one that isn’t all for toking yourself over the line? The one that believes in the United States? In other words, anyone with a brain…

          • http://extremesplash.wordpress.com/ Ben Bollman

            The bot who wants limited government but doesn’t forget the Christian morals that go with it.

      • http://extremesplash.wordpress.com/ Ben Bollman

        Yes, let’s not hurt the terrorist’s feelings. You realize there is a reason we are fighting these people don’t you? They kill innocent people and sure our military has killed a few people by accident but not anything compared to the a-holes we are fighting who are making the people in these countries’ lives a living breathing hell. The good we are doing far outweighs the handful of accidents that have happened. I am tired of people like you ignorantly declaring we shouldn’t be fighting other people’s wars. Well guess what buddy, this country wouldn’t have been founded without the help of other countries like France. Pick up a damn history book.

    • Nathan J. Forck

      FWIW, I don’t agree with RP’s statement, but I still support him as he is still leagues ahead of anything the GOP has to offer in terms of actual conservatism. I just wanted to address this excuse for a neocon ‘Mericuh hate-fest against the only man in Congress that actually practiced what he preached ie CONSTITUTIONAL LIMITED GOVERNMENT.

      Enjoy the endless raises in the debt-ceiling courtesy of the oh-so-sane GOP Congress.

      • Calcat36

        Really? Check out the TEA Party. You would be surprised at what you find. They are the ones keeping Harry Reid neutered.

        • Nathan J. Forck

          Hey, I was full-throttle Tea Partying from 2009-2011. Then after the GOP took back the House in 2010, and I saw how fundamentally unserious they were about reducing the size and scope of government, including many who campaigned as “Tea Party”, I gave up on them. Look how many “Tea Party” freshman voted for raising the debt ceiling and the creation of the super-committee that brought us sequestration. Tired of RINO’s. If you like democrat-lite, more power to you, but I actually want a smaller federal government.

          • http://extremesplash.wordpress.com/ Ben Bollman

            So you gave up on the Tea Party after only two years of existence? Wow, kind of glad you aren’t on our side anyway.

          • Infinite_Indeterminism

            Ah, so you are saying that because there are fake TP people, there cannot be genuine ones ? Tell me, do you have the same attitude towards dollar bills ?

            (And last time I checked, people are actually capable of making mistakes – so the logical approach would be to keep an eye on them, and talk to them at times, so that you can minimize the risk of such mistakes…)

            If you want a fire-and-forget weapon, you need to look for something like an AMRAAM – and if you want a no-maintenance congressman, you need to find Data and insert the Constitution into his programming…

            Congressmen needs to be watched – that’s part of the price of being a citizen.

          • Calcat36

            Maybe, just maybe, there are fake Rue Paulbots out there too….

          • Infinite_Indeterminism

            And that possibility is part of the reason for my answer…

            Often the person whose utterance I’m responding to, is the last person I’m thinking of – in those cases I mainly comment for the benefit of the reader, not the given commenter…

          • Calcat36

            I pose no threat or challenge to you personally, at this time. What you have posted makes sense and should we disagree, there will be no name calling, I suspect, which sharpens both of our beliefs. With respect to the Marine and his comments, I agree as well. Both he and I have served to make dissent the highest form of patriotism. He and I will more than likely keep each other in check. Give him some latitude, please, and read between his lines. He and I come from a world where indeterminism gets Marines killed. Right or wrong, we decide and follow our decisions with all of our heart. So far the Marine Corps as never failed in that regard. Pleasure to respond to you and replied to as well.

            See you in the fight.

          • Infinite_Indeterminism

            I’m actually not sure where that answer came from – I was pointing out that a major reason for my commenting, is to point out certain facts or lines of logic (or their inverses), rather than any kind of “winning a debate”. (Winning a debate actually doesn’t make much sense to me, since the point of any debate must (and as I see it, necessarily so), be the enlightenment of participants and audience (or readers) as to the subject of the debate.)

            As for the “dissent being the highest form of patriotism” – that statement is as much crap as the concept of agreeing with the President just because he ‘s the President. A society must be robust enough to tolerate disagreements.

            (Update: Removed three superfluous letters – a typo.)

          • Calcat36

            Agreed, and I have taken fire for doing so all through this thread. I get called names, and the agitator goes away without presenting valid facts or lines of logic. I’m not looking to win, but I will not allow the memory of a fallen soldier (the original reason for the thread) go so easily and be dismissed so crudely as it was.

            Liberals are always on the dissent BS train, until they are in power and dissent is akin to being a traitor. We served for ALL to speak freely. Simple as that, and some posts get read WRONGLY from intent. Do you remember Hillary screeching that we had a right to disagree with an administration…? Yet she said who cares about Benghazi. I dissent from her statement about that, yet she suddenly thinks I have no right…

            As I tried to say, responding to you may be a robust and tolerant disagreement. Or agreement. But you present no hostility.

          • http://extremesplash.wordpress.com/ Ben Bollman

            Also, if you think everyone in the Tea Party are just the same old RINO’s you need to take a look at Ted Cruz and some of the things he has been doing and saying lately. The Tea Party is in it’s infancy and it has it’s share of problems to work out but it is headed in the right direction. Rome wasn’t built in a day.

  • aPLWBinAK

    Good grief….if you can’t show some respect towards a fallen hero, then have enough SELF respect to just STFU.

    • bonnieblue2A

      This. Donation to Red Circle Foundation in honor of Chris Kyle just made. Maybe rather than joining on the attack wagon y’all would like to join me? Make a notation “CK” if you want your donation to assist Chris Kyle’s family.

      http://redcirclefoundation.org/

      Actions speak louder than words.

      • Calcat36

        Your “attack bandwagon” is what veterans would call standing up for a fallen hero. I will not join anyone that supports what Paul said. I support the Wounded Warriors and MCLEF. The MCLEF society will reach out to the families.

      • Calcat36

        Attack bandwagon? That is how you define objection to Paul’s dishonor of a combat vet? I support Wounded Warriors and MCLEF. MCLEF will take care of the families. Please point me to any major legislation that Paul has enacted on behalf of veterans. You are right, actions do speak louder than words, and Paul is VACANT on his actions, yet loud in mouth.

        • bonnieblue2A

          Before making a complete azzhat out of yourself, if it is not already too late, may I suggest you actually go back and read my original post in this comments section. Reading comprehension is required.

          Personally, it matters not to me which organizations you have supported in the past or present as that is not the topic here. Nor do I feel the need to one-up you here.

          My intent was to guide the discussion to something more worthwhile, like actually doing something to honor this slain hero and help his family. Or, is that too much for you to comprehend during you hate filled feeding frenzy in this comments section?

          http://redcirclefoundation.org/
          http://fundly.com/mercury-one-test

          Take the high road for a change.

          • Calcat36

            I am on the high road, and you accused me as well as others of engaging in an attack bandwagon. YOU are the problem. As I wrote, you idiot, I already support organizations that will help the families out as I would hope they would help mine if the situation were reversed. Why is YOUR organization so holy? I only made readers aware of OTHER equally generous groups, and YOU throw a tantrum! Why don’t you take your own advice and READ before you fly off the handle? The bigger problem is with YOUR attempt to deminish Paul’s tweet and call us who are defending the DEAD AMERICAN HERO from Paul’s callus tweet. Duh! Should I type slowly for you too? Feeding frenzy now? Defending the hero is a “feeding frenzy?” Are you confused since you make contradictory statements? Get a proof reader hunny.

            Get out of the gutter for once. Enjoy the light.

      • aPLWBinAK

        I don’t see how telling him to hush if he nothing nice to say about a fallen hero qualifies as an ‘attack’….but thanks for the red circle link though…

        • bonnieblue2A

          Another complete reading comprehension fail. Amazing that you cannot even discern when someone has agreed with your comment. Clue: see “This.”
          Second clue: y’all…as to address all other posters in this comments section. Or, perhaps I should have written all y’all to be more clear.

          • Calcat36

            stay on the “attack” bonnie. Your point is becoming even clearer.

          • aPLWBinAK

            Oh yeah, that one word was a real game changer/// FYI….you’re reply, written as it was, would have made more sense as a stand alone comment instead of attached to mine…but thanks for attacking my reading comprehension though, it says so much more about you than it does me…. yawl have a nice day now..yaaawll

        • Calcat36

          You are to read that Ron Paul is bonnie’s dreamboat. There is a deflection from his tweet combined with a plea to “stop the attacks” and donate to blah, bah, blah.

      • Guest

        I’m not sure that my comment qualifies as an ‘attack’, but thanks for the link to the red circle, it looks like a good org., I’ll take a better look at it later when I have time.

      • Guest

        I’m not sure that my comment qualifies as an ‘attack’, but thanks for the link to the red circle, it looks like a good org., I’ll take a better look at it later when I have time.

  • retrocon

    Wow, very wrong perspective in the first sentence. Ron should apologize to Chris’ family, and libertarians in general. No matter what you feel about war, the warriors in this country are the greatest patriots we have.

    The appropriate first response is: A true American is lost, sympathies to his family, friends, and all those whose lives he saved in his duty to this country.

    I did ask the same question in his second sentence, however. With recent events, we are only asking for criticism by intentionally mixing firearms with people with known emotional issues.

    I fear that the left will use this, along with the other recent tragedies, to try to limit access to firearms based on any psychological diagnosis, denying the right to arms to 300,000 returning Vets, without due process. Just have the military shrinks throw their names on a PTSD list.

  • Chadwick

    nothing in his statement even implied that he ‘deserved’ to be killed

    • Calcat36

      No one said that little Chad. Focus now, and READ what is written…

  • BeyondPolls

    He has a point in his last sentence, but as usual, it’s packaged in an abrasive wrapping.

  • BeyondPolls

    He has a point in his last sentence, but as usual, it’s packaged in an abrasive wrapping.

  • Donna Jackson

    As awful as the comment is, hopefully, it will get some voters turned off by him. If his “fans” would have gone out to vote, or not written his name on the ballet, we would have a different president right now. If he were a good man, he would have rallied his troops behind Romney. That showed how self absorbed and selfish the man is.

  • Donna Jackson

    As awful as the comment is, hopefully, it will get some voters turned off by him. If his “fans” would have gone out to vote, or not written his name on the ballet, we would have a different president right now. If he were a good man, he would have rallied his troops behind Romney. That showed how self absorbed and selfish the man is.

  • http://www.facebook.com/paul.matthews.77377692 Paul Matthews

    Ron, please go say those things to one of us up close! Face to face…so we have an excuse to “help” you over wall to the other side. I am fed up with all of this crap flowing from your mouth, you are the proof that the First Amendment is a failure!

    • Calcat36

      The first exists because of the second.

    • Calcat36

      The first exists because of the second.

  • http://www.facebook.com/paul.matthews.77377692 Paul Matthews

    Ron, please go say those things to one of us up close! Face to face…so we have an excuse to “help” you over wall to the other side. I am fed up with all of this crap flowing from your mouth, you are the proof that the First Amendment is a failure!

  • Drew Longview

    This will hurt Rand more than Ron.

    • Calcat36

      Yes, yes it will. Thankfully.

  • Drew Longview

    This will hurt Rand more than Ron.

  • http://twitter.com/bradsittmann Brad J. Sittmann

    @RonPaul you sick little man

  • http://twitter.com/bradsittmann Brad J. Sittmann

    @RonPaul you sick little man

  • justicerules2

    He has a point about treating PTSD at the gun range that just seems like an eventual problem waiting to happen IMO. He could have chosen much better words to say that though. Ron is WAY smarter than Obama and has more respect for our constitution so even though he like many politicians makes a stupid statement from time to time I would still rather have him in office than the current jackass Obama. Rand is the one in this family that should do good he has a stronger chin and is more well spoken than Ron for sure. …..again though either one is WAY smarter than Obama hands down.

    • Calcat36

      Do you have “Paul” tattooed on your forehead or your buttocks? Maybe both? He has NO POINT. And neither do you. You must not have been in the military either, that is why you have your “IMO” which, stinks like arse. Rue is a dirtbag that disrespected a decorated war hero for personal gain. Rand is Rue jr and will be RUN OUT of the conservative party.

  • justicerules2

    He has a point about treating PTSD at the gun range that just seems like an eventual problem waiting to happen IMO. He could have chosen much better words to say that though. Ron is WAY smarter than Obama and has more respect for our constitution so even though he like many politicians makes a stupid statement from time to time I would still rather have him in office than the current jackass Obama. Rand is the one in this family that should do good he has a stronger chin and is more well spoken than Ron for sure. …..again though either one is WAY smarter than Obama hands down.

  • http://www.theconservativevoices.com/ dmacleo

    coming from a “man” that calls bradley manning a patriot.
    anyone that defends him can GFY.

  • http://www.theconservativevoices.com/ dmacleo

    coming from a “man” that calls bradley manning a patriot.
    anyone that defends him can GFY.

  • Allan Howell

    Dishonor an American hero, good move Ron Paul…moron

  • Allan Howell

    Dishonor an American hero, good move Ron Paul…moron

  • Alice Mcquoid Knittel

    I would like to see the whole tweet! Never believe what you hear and only half of what you see.

    • Calcat36

      Unfortunately, Rue Paul’s history can also be brought into evidence, and should be. He HATES the US Military. No one believed the National Enquirer either…

    • Calcat36

      Unfortunately, Rue Paul’s history can also be brought into evidence, and should be. He HATES the US Military. No one believed the National Enquirer either…

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002109532283 Jillane Kent

      You could always view his Twitter account, if you believe the quote to be out of context. You’ll find the same thing there as you are seeing here.

  • Alice Mcquoid Knittel

    I would like to see the whole tweet! Never believe what you hear and only half of what you see.

  • Guest

    Better to keep one’s mouth closed and be though a fool than to open it and remove all doubt.

    • wwbdinct

      That’s what I’m saying.

  • Guest

    Better to keep one’s mouth closed and be though a fool than to open it and remove all doubt.

  • Randy C. Lindsey

    Better to keep one’s mouth closed and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt. And I’ve been thinking Biden was the biggest idiot around. I could have been wrong.

  • Randy C. Lindsey

    Better to keep one’s mouth closed and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt. And I’ve been thinking Biden was the biggest idiot around. I could have been wrong.

  • HARP2

    hey…Ron Paul…..since you live by stupidity, so shall you die from it.

  • HARP2

    hey…Ron Paul…..since you live by stupidity, so shall you die from it.

  • latty

    I don’t think this is true,be careful what your read,just like fake
    pictures,there is trolls all over the internet that drum up bs and hope
    people believe and when its done so is their agenda,I don’t think this
    man really said this

    • Calcat36

      Yeah right. Did you say the same thing when the national propaganda machine was covering up John Edwards’ “love” child?

  • bonnieblue2A

    Very disappointed by the lack of respect for the recently murdered war hero Chris Kyle via this Ron Paul tweet.

    While I support many of the former Rep. Paul’s ideas on small government, liberty, and economics, this display of disrespect and callousness makes me viscerally sick.

    Bad form Dr. Ron Paul, very, very bad form. An apology is due to his surviving wife and children, IMO.

  • wwbdinct

    This is why Twitter sucks! Nobody can keep their idiotic thoughts to themselves anymore.

    • beebop1952

      It isnt a problem of twitter. The fool couldn’t help himself.

      • Calcat36

        Exactly Stoopid is as stooooopider tweets….

  • Blake Waymire

    Thanks, Paul! Now I can use this to explain to Paulbots why I won’t vote for you ever.

  • bluewaternavy

    I may be conservative/libertarian-but THIS is why I WILL NEVER join the libertarian party–ever!

  • r_coplin2001

    Ron Paul this is one of the reasons why i didnt vote for you in the last election as you come up with some stupid remarks that make Joe Biden look like a genius in comparison.

  • aliswell

    Hey Ron, DiFi just called. She says, “Thank you!” and something about “the check is in the mail.”

  • disqus_FlD2VMR2RJ

    Somewhere a basement is missing its crazy uncle.

    • Calcat36

      I KNEW I had to be somewhere…
      Signed,
      ~Crazy Uncle Joe Biden. Roomie of Doctor Ron Paulistinian.
      The doc says I’m really ok and he gave me a note…

    • Calcat36

      I KNEW I had to be somewhere…
      Signed,
      ~Crazy Uncle Joe Biden. Roomie of Doctor Ron Paulistinian.
      The doc says I’m really ok and he gave me a note…

  • peoplectr

    Didn’t like the guy even though I did like some of his ideas. Problem is, he is self centered and has an attitude that it’s my way of thinking or you cant be a patriot. We should set an age limit of 65-70 along with term limits.

    • Infinite_Indeterminism

      No.

      To both types of limit.

      Term limits for Congress are a giant red herring, designed to make people think that there can be some magical measure that would absolve the citizens of their primary duty – such a magical measure does NOT exist, and NEVER will!

      Keeping a close eye on Congress can only be dispensed with, once someone can guarantee that every member of Congress will be omniscient, absolutely honest, incorruptible, and never stray from virtue and righteousness. Or make mistakes…

      • Calcat36

        The limit is found in the Declaration of Independence for all of you who care to read it:

        When it comes to “rights” the Founding Fathers got it right. They declared independence from an oppressive king. In that Declaration of Independence, the Founding Fathers established as a contract to a young developing experiment never seen in the world before between the government and those governed. It is our “warranty” that never expires. That document contains the only “reason” that I NEED my AR-15s, magazines, and rounds, specifically: “That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to ABOLISH it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.” Yes, the Second Amendment is important. But the REASON for it is what everyone is missing, especially the liberals, who want to void the warranty.

        Absent term limits, we have to fall back on the “consent of the governed” clause, which means abolishing this corrupted government that has spent decades insulating itself from us and the laws they pass for us!

        • Infinite_Indeterminism

          Agreed – and I must say I very much like the audacity of that text when it says:

          “it is their right, it is their duty,”…

          But just so I’m clear: The term limits I was talking about, refers to a recurring suggestion that adding an amendment to the Constitution, limiting Congressmen to X terms, would somehow be a viable solution to the problem of bad Congressmen – and I am perfectly well aware that such an amendment would only work as a smokescreen for the looters…

          • Calcat36

            I understand. Although it does work for the POTUS. We ultimately have the power of term limits but certain voting blocks have been bribed and bought off. You know what kills me? (As if it matters… I know) When you wiki a politician, and their occupation says “POLITICIAN!” How far we have come from government service being a sacrifice or a public duty until you returned to your “real” job!

            I hear you Infinite. I like the way you think.

          • Calcat36

            I understand. Although it does work for the POTUS. We ultimately have the power of term limits but certain voting blocks have been bribed and bought off. You know what kills me? (As if it matters… I know) When you wiki a politician, and their occupation says “POLITICIAN!” How far we have come from government service being a sacrifice or a public duty until you returned to your “real” job!

            I hear you Infinite. I like the way you think.

        • Infinite_Indeterminism

          Agreed – and I must say I very much like the audacity of that text when it says:

          “it is their right, it is their duty,”…

          But just so I’m clear: The term limits I was talking about, refers to a recurring suggestion that adding an amendment to the Constitution, limiting Congressmen to X terms, would somehow be a viable solution to the problem of bad Congressmen – and I am perfectly well aware that such an amendment would only work as a smokescreen for the looters…

      • Calcat36

        The limit is found in the Declaration of Independence for all of you who care to read it:

        When it comes to “rights” the Founding Fathers got it right. They declared independence from an oppressive king. In that Declaration of Independence, the Founding Fathers established as a contract to a young developing experiment never seen in the world before between the government and those governed. It is our “warranty” that never expires. That document contains the only “reason” that I NEED my AR-15s, magazines, and rounds, specifically: “That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to ABOLISH it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.” Yes, the Second Amendment is important. But the REASON for it is what everyone is missing, especially the liberals, who want to void the warranty.

        Absent term limits, we have to fall back on the “consent of the governed” clause, which means abolishing this corrupted government that has spent decades insulating itself from us and the laws they pass for us!

    • Infinite_Indeterminism

      No.

      To both types of limit.

      Term limits for Congress are a giant red herring, designed to make people think that there can be some magical measure that would absolve the citizens of their primary duty – such a magical measure does NOT exist, and NEVER will!

      Keeping a close eye on Congress can only be dispensed with, once someone can guarantee that every member of Congress will be omniscient, absolutely honest, incorruptible, and never stray from virtue and righteousness. Or make mistakes…

  • asdfed

    Ron paul has cost the GOP HOW Many elections now? Wonder if the paulistinians will come up with a justification of this one. lol He is nuts and that was an amazingly rude comment

    • Calcat36

      Paulistinians! Consider that one stolen! You are a genus asdfed! (Laughing hysterically!) Come to think of it, he does hate the US support of the Jews…

  • 1SkepticalChick

    I live in Paul’s district, he has always been, and continues to be, an embarrassment. I’ve never voted for him, and will be happy when he shuts up and just goes away. He is why I’m seriously caucious of his son. Look who raised him.

  • Guest

    brother . . . . the is senile and would make a pimple on Reagans ass. . . morals dont come out of a box… let the family bury their dead goofy.

  • Dennis Shuckhart

    Oh brother . . . he is senile bag of bones that won’t make a pimple on Ron Reagans ass. . . . you can’t get morals out of a box ! ! Let them bury their dead goofy.

  • Ntr

    What we all have to remember is that Twitter is a throwaway medium, in the long run, no matter how much you put into it.

    I also think this tweet was idiocy on his part but we’ve all said stupid things on Twitter at one time or another. To stretch the meaning of his tweet and to go for his throat over this is to act like a leftist; in waiting for that one misstep to pounce.

    We’re better than this.

    • Calcat36

      I wasn’t waiting for anything. He tweeted. I am a veteran. I responded. I only go for the throat because of WHOM he attacked. Not standing up for the dead hero would make us worse than this.

      • Ntr

        And again, “standing up for him” (Chris Kyle) online/on twitter is meaningless. Just as meaningless as most everything else people say online. Have a little perspective. Realize a lot of what people write online is nothing that can be thrown away with a delete or server crashes. But all that is beside the point.

        • Calcat36

          Says you. You glittering jewel of colossal ignorance. Maybe you should tell your Paulistinian pals to shut the hell up instead of defending him. I haven’t seen that post from you… yet… again.

          • Ntr

            Says me? Says reality concerning this technology where all you’re writing will be forgotten. Even what i write out.

            And i didn’t bring up Ron Paul in my reply above. Nor did i bring up an aggressive tone. Yawn…am i trading responses with a child or just someone stuck in a box of stagnant thinking? You’re coming across as a leftist.

          • Calcat36

            100 years from now it will not matter…
            How much money was in my bank account…
            How big my house was…
            What kind of car I drove…
            What will matter is that I was important in the life of a child. And that I taught that child right from wrong. Respect for our fallen warriors who allowed us to be free. Respect for others like you with a different opinion. Trust in mankind that the truth will always rule out in the end. And that my children were always proud of the sacrifices that their dad made in their lives to serve the greatest Country to ever rise on the face of this earth.

            Yes, I missed much of my children’s lives to be mocked by you about nothing. Chris left the service to save his marriage only to meet his end senselessly, as I was almost killed near my home by a drunk driver.

            I was lucky. And even luckier to retire after 20+ years of Marine Corps service. Have you worn a service uniform?

            You decide who you are trying to berate. Enjoy the yawn, you have earned, and you most certainly deserve it. We have paid that price for you. You are being passively aggressive now and you do not know it. A leftist? that’s all you have? That’s quite cute. Nice try. You are very cool behind a keyboard though in mommy’s basement.

            When you go to insults, you have lost the argument.

          • Ntr

            Damn, you’re really obtuse. I see i’m not the only one you’re confronting with your trollish mentality.

          • Ntr

            Damn, you’re really obtuse. I see i’m not the only one you’re confronting with your trollish mentality.

  • maafla1

    And the Paul-bots continue to wonder why their Dear Leader would never become President?

  • $1014973

    Does that mean we can all quit pretending that Ron Paul isn’t a batshit crazy piece of dog poo?

    • NRPax

      You’re assuming we were pretending that he was sane in the first place.

      • $1014973

        Amazingly enough he managed to gain a pretty fair following despite his idiocies. But perhaps this will finally put a dent in that. But of course how worried am I about what someone who supports him thinks in the first place?

        • Calcat36

          Manson has a pretty big following too.

          • $1014973

            That is a very good point.

          • Calcat36

            And Ronnie Paulie would support him because he only killed domestic folks.

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002109532283 Jillane Kent

            So did Jim Jones.

        • NRPax

          I doubt it will dent any of his support. The Branch Paulinians will simply keep powering down the Kool-aid as they bow down before him.

        • beebop1952

          Lots of people worship 0bama, so do you have an actual point?

    • Calcat36

      If you have ever been robbed by a black teen-aged male, you know how unbelievably fleet-footed they can be….Given the inefficiencies of what D.C. laughingly calls the `criminal justice system,’ I think we can safely assume that 95 percent of the black males in that city are semi-criminal or entirely criminal.

      …Order was only restored in L.A. when it came time for the blacks to pick up their welfare checks three days after rioting began.

      (Although many comments like this were published in Ron Paul’s newsletter for years, under his name, he claims these quotes were ghostwritten. I take Ron Paul at his word, but do you think the mainstream media or the American public will do the same — especially since he initially admitted that he wrote these quotes multiple times in 1996 and only later changed his story?)

      • $1014973

        The shame is that his son has said some very intelligent things about the failures of our government but I will never truly trust someone related to Ron Paul.

        • Calcat36

          I did try making that point earlier. His silence at the old man’s crazy ideas suggests agreement. He needs to go now so we are not plagued with him when senility sets in…

          • $1014973

            Yep. In the end, he won’t fall too far from the nutcase tree.

    • Calcat36

      MoooooooooooonBAT. Commanding. But that is DOCTOR moonbat to you, tough guy.

      • $1014973

        I do love how his lemmings always say Dr. Paul like it adds some credibility to his idiocy.

        • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002109532283 Jillane Kent

          Doesn’t everyone trust their obstetrician/gynecologist to advise them on foreign affairs?

          • Calcat36

            Good point. But he is “STILL” a doctor a genius, and a professional politician. Legalize NOW! I could only hit the like once….

  • http://www.facebook.com/willjgardner76 Bruddah Buddah

    I think Ron Paul makes perfect sense! If you have PTSD I don’t think you should be at a shooting range. Thats the same as saying a heroin addict trying to get better should not be around needles and heroin! Too many people are trying to twist his words. Ron Paul is a great man who devoted 20+ years to this country trying to restore the Constitution!

    • $1014973

      Ron Paul is a piece of crap and trying to defend his latest disgusting tweet about dying by the sword in relation to someone who had more bravery in his left pinkie than Ron Paul ever experienced in his entire life is pathetic. He’s an idiot, and those who defend him are idiots. Those who supported him were likely idiots, but now that he’s sending his own messages, we can finally close the book on him and his idiot following.

    • Calcat36

      How do you know? You ever serve? If no, you should shut your piehole. He is covering his worthless arse now just like he did with his racist newsletters.

  • http://www.nleomf.org/officers/ FlatFoot

    Gosh — kooky old bigot, Ron Paul, is also a gleeful ghoul?

    Who’da thunk it?

    Go.
    Figure.

  • droozilla

    None of you are even discussing the point Paul tried to make. Why are we treating PTSD at a gun range? You know, SOMETHING THAT WILL TRIGGER PTSD?

    What makes this guy a hero? Who’d he kill? More brown people that we shouldn’t be killing anyway? Did he secure some gas pipeline in Syria? A poppy field in Afghanistan?

    You puppets sure do perk up when someone slaps your strings, don’t you?

    • http://www.nleomf.org/officers/ FlatFoot

      Troll Bait… but I’ll nibble anyway.

      Gun Range time is a viable and psychiatric community supported treatment for many PTSD cases. Military and Law Enforcement both use it as a therapeutic treatment.

      In fact, Police Officers have to go through it before they can return to their assigned duty from ‘administrative duty’ if they ever shoot anyone in the course of their profession and they want to keep their job — whether they’ve been diagnosed with PTSD or not.

      Also — worshiping false idols with a lifelong penchant for bigotry is not a healthy thing. Especially if you don’t know wtf you’re talking about. That’s a pro-tip just for you. You’re welcome, Puppet.

      • droozilla

        I don’t worship anyone, I just tell it straight, douche.

        So your drug pushing psychiatric community thinks it’s a good idea to put guns in the hands of crazy people? People that might relapse?

        It’s not like a cop ever shot an innocent civ ever. Or someone in the military. Godforbid.

        • http://www.nleomf.org/officers/ FlatFoot

          Dr. Droo Zilla
          @droozilla

          Keyboard Warrior To The Stars, Demotivational Speaker, http://itm.im/sportsrage chat mod, horrible sports capper, free thinker, a s s hole, hater, lover.

          Drootopia

          …and you have the unmitigated gall to refer to other people as ‘douche’.

          Nice hobby you have there too, Droozilla.

          *yeesh*

          Or — not a “hobby”?

          LawL

          • Calcat36

            Hey droolzappa,

            Many more gang banging thugs have used illegal firearms to kill innocent civilians. Many more illegal aliens drive dunk and kill innocent American civilians.

            Why do you rush to protect the illegal drunk drivers in favor of disarming law abiding Americans with legal guns?

          • Calcat36

            Hey droolzappa,

            Many more gang banging thugs have used illegal firearms to kill innocent civilians. Many more illegal aliens drive dunk and kill innocent American civilians.

            Why do you rush to protect the illegal drunk drivers in favor of disarming law abiding Americans with legal guns?

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002109532283 Jillane Kent

            50 Shades of Ewwwwwwww

        • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002109532283 Jillane Kent

          Who mentioned drug pushing or psychiatry? It is not yet known if the shooter was taking any medications. Why do you mention the police? Did anyone bring up that point? How is this relevant?

  • vino veritas

    Really don’t think he meant that the way it sounded, but clearly he has some issues with brain flatulence eruption to deal with. I’m sure the apology and retraction is on its way.

    • Calcat36

      Right. “I did not have sex with that woman…” was incorrectly read/heard by me too. Then I was too stooooopid to know what the meaning of is is…

    • http://www.nleomf.org/officers/ FlatFoot

      No, no, no — this is about Dr. Ron Paul.

      You’re thinking of VPOTUS Joe Biden.

      But they are both kooky old bigots so I can understand the confusion.

      • Calcat36

        Bit Me means EVERYTHING he says! NO ONE messes with Bite Me!

  • Peyton

    Maybe if Congress had given enough money to treat PTSD, people like Chris Kyle wouldn’t have to be doing it.

    • Calcat36

      That would be the VA. They don’t give a shi’ite about veterans and PTSD. They are veterans getting theirs and they do not want to share. Yes, I work for the VA processing claims…

  • NCRelite

    uh oh the Paulestinians are coming out of the woodwork. I hope this doesn’t affect Rand in any way, since he is a saner more reasonable version of his kooky father

  • Calcat36

    Hwah, Hwah Hwah.. Iran should have nukes! Listen to doc quack genius explain:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BDvaTqLlZlA

  • Jim Denney

    It doesn’t matter which side you’re on, his statement is powerful evidence that term limits are needed. Senility is an equal opportunity brain destroyer.

  • Bob Khan

    I am disappointed in CPT Paul, as a fellow Veteran you would think he should be able to understand why CPO Kyle made the choices he did.

    • Calcat36

      When was the last time quack doc rue paul was around ANY military member? He HATES the mill-tree. With a passion. Check his basement for the weed DWC.

    • Calcat36

      When was the last time quack doc rue paul was around ANY military member? He HATES the mill-tree. With a passion. Check his basement for the weed DWC.

  • Bob Khan

    I am disappointed in CPT Paul, as a fellow Veteran you would think he should be able to understand why CPO Kyle made the choices he did.

  • BeeKaaay

    Oops. Ron Paul has drank some Marxist juice there.

  • http://twitter.com/Sirolimus1mg Sirolimus1mg

    That is why I didn’t get behind him in the campaign last year.. Every time he
    spoke, he reminded me of Biden. Always saying something that was either
    inappropriate, or didn’t make much sense, if any at all.. Great economic policy and small-government policy. Not so much on the foreign policy, or almost anything else.

  • TN05

    Ron Paul is a slime salesman, always has been and always will be. He is the ONLY career politician people call an ‘outsider’ because he is a great salesman.

  • http://extremesplash.wordpress.com/ Ben Bollman

    Saying something dumb is one thing, but when it is actually part of what you believe that is quite another.

  • Roto

    “And this is Mr. Paul …. one of our model patients here at the Happy Hills Sanitarium”

  • Sam Bass

    Ron Paul is stupid, and who follows is the same

  • David Molinarolo

    I have always believed that most Ron Paul followers have been a new generation of “Reagan Democrats” if you will, meaning that they are fiscally conservative, but national security liberals, posing as libertarians.

    Let’s take the “global policeman” argument for instance. If every entity, from the country on down to the smallest municipalities, needs a police force…even if it’s just one or two cops, why shouldn’t the whole globe have one? Because without one, you tend to get regional conflicts or world wars. Why should any country be allowed to act in a roguish manner to do whatever it wants whenever it wants? If Ron Paul were president, Iran, North Korea, and any other unstable country could do whatever the hell they wanted, and President Ron wouldn’t do anything about it.

  • Leon

    Few things bring out the worst on each side of an issue like a Twitchy pissing contest.

  • cajuncocoa

    Neocons worship a man who reveled in the deaths of those he killed and only wished he could kill more (and they call themselves pro-Life Chrisians!!) Coming from a group of people who booed the Golden Rule, what can you expect? Chris Kyle is no hero to me. Ron Paul always will be.

  • magormissabib

    what so hard to understand? this is an nation of warmongers.

  • Sara Nichols

    I have always hated Ron Paul but what he said yesterday turned my hatred of him to white hot hatred. Ron Paul is a crazy old man and his policies are wrong for America. Paulbots, hate on me but y’all’s hero is wrong.

  • W Ray Horner

    I like Ron Paul, but he was out of line with this twitter feed.