Bernie Sanders is using an old mailer Hillary Clinton sent out to attack Barack Obama during the 2007 campaign to remind Democrats that she can’t be trusted on guns. At the time, Hillary was trying to portray herself as pro-gun and pro-2nd Amendment in the wake of Obama saying some Americans were bitter and “cling to their guns” which led to this, now hilarious, attack piece:

Well played, Bernie. Well. Played.

Sanders’ figurative punch in the face is in retaliation for Clinton staffers telling reporters today that there’s a chance Preident Obama won’t support Sanders because of the Vermont senator’s mild support of the 2nd Amendment in the past:

Oh, this is going to be fun to watch especially if Sanders keeps getting good poll news like this:

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  • Maxx

    Hey Hil…it’s proof positive of how low your barometer is if you’re getting b**tch slapped by Bernie Sanders.

    On a related note, perhaps Bernie is correct on this one. Blacks SHOULD be reminded of how often they get played by Democrats. Her and Bill loath Obama and always have and I suspect that ambivalence extends to Blacks as well. You’re adored…right up until the polls close on election day and then you’re placed back in their file cabinet for another two years.

    • chonus

      “Schlonged” I believe the kids are calling it these days.

    • Jerome Goolsby

      The entire establishment of the “Democratic” Party treats blacks as fools and tools who are expected to show up on Election Day and then shut the hell up until the next election.

      Sanders is a Moonbat’s Moonbat and represents the core of that party far better than Rodham does or will ever do. Because Lie-A-Watha Warren decided not to run, Sanders is the person the base loves, not Rodham. That’s a big problem that neither the party establishment nor Rodham seem willing to face.

      • moodydon

        and if by some weird twist of fate, Hillary is charged with numerous crimes, the Dem line up changes… and Lizzie is front and center fighting with Uncle Joe for media attention… and Bernie is an after thought…

      • Don Reed

        “Lie-A-Watha Warren” SCORE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

        • moodydon

          a local radio guy refers to Lizzie as ‘Squats with unions’….

      • Don Reed

        Unpopular with the base: HRC (oops, forgot! The “R” has been Benghazi’ed) is Jeb Bush in drag — and vice versa.

      • Paul

        The Democrat base will not vote out of love for Hillary, they will vote out of hate for Republicans. That is the unifying thing for them. This is why Hillary gets laughs and cheers when she stands up and says that Republicans are her enemies. Don’t expect a campaign based on any sort of appeal to what Hillary might accomplish as President. Expect a plea for Democrats to turn out and vote for her, or whoever the Republican candidate is will ‘put y’all back in chains!’

        • moodydon

          all of that plus the ‘We need a woman president’ crowd who can’t find a qualified female on their side of the political spectrum, with ethics, morals, a conscience, and has accomplished something that qualifies her to even be considered …

          • Paul

            Agreed. I’m looking forward to the feminist triumph of Hillary Clinton. Proving once and for all that there is no limit to what a woman can accomplish, as long as she marries the right man.

    • IL

      Didn’t Bill say back in 05, 06 about Obama something like: this guy would have been getting us coffee a couple years ago…and now look at him…

    • Donald-Now 3x as Deplorable

      Showing Blacks how often they get played by the demonrats and expecting them to vote otherwise, is basically the same thing as a woman who sticks with her physically abusive husband until he beats her to death. “Well yeah, he beat the crap out of me, but he said he was sorry and he PROMISED he won’t do it again.”

  • DeplorableMessMan ✔ JesseMessy

    …1st tweet of the article by #Bernie=badassMoFo (an O’Malley-fan I bet): “When will black voters wake up & start remembering (or at least researching) Hillary’s lies & racism against Obama?”
    …I’ll bite: what “racism against” in that 2008 ad? Is the tweeter saying it’s racist to point out that O told a Chicago-crowd he’s Anti-2A and an Idaho crowd he’s pro-A? The only racism noted by Hillary in the ad (although she don’t know it IS racist) is the “bitter white clinger” remark.

    • Deplorable Member Berry

      Maybe the OP was so drunk/high that they got “racism” and “blatant in your face pandering to voters” mixed up?

    • Paul

      Hillary Clinton did originate most of the attacks against Obama that his defenders have since condemned as racist. Hillary was the first person to bring up the ‘birther’ issue. Hillary stoked the ‘Obama is a secret Muslim’ rumors by posting pictures of him in Muslim clothing Some of her most prominent supporters used Confederate flag imagery during the South Carolina primary. And then there was Bill’s infamous dismissal of Obama ‘A few years ago this guy would have been bringing us coffee.’

      Now, obviously, none of those examples are in that particular ad, but there was quite a bit of it throughout her primary campaign against Obama. It’s a fair point to make.

      • DeplorableMessMan ✔ JesseMessy

        ..Great points made, except that “(merely) using Confederate flag imagery” isn’t racist.

        • Paul

          According to Democrats it is. Make them play by their own rules.

          • DeplorableMessMan ✔ JesseMessy

            ..Actually it’s WE who’d play by their rules (and BLM’s) by dignifying their ConFed-flag-censorship.

  • Peggy Bundy

    You had your chance at the 1st ‘debate’ Bernie but you wimped out and went for cheap applause instead.

    • Katio

      You obviously didn’t understand the intention of Bernie’s remarks. The emails were being investigated and he wanted to talk issues that really matter the Americans lives. This was widey miscontrued.

      • Peggy Bundy

        You have no idea just how wrong you are. I kind of feel sorry for you, but i know i’ll get over it.

  • marcus tullius cicero

    …popcorn time!

  • drw

    Some choice, a nutbag or a hag with cankles, and nobody can really tell which is which….

    • Deplorable Member Berry

      Hillary is the drunk one in a pant-suit.

      • Andrew Curlutu

        Actually, I’m torn about that one. If she drinks in excess, she should stop. If she doesn’t, she should start. After all, the latter worked for Underwater Motorist Ted Kennedy.

        • Jerome Goolsby

          LOL, thanks I needed a laugh. But you’re right LOL

      • Don Reed

        Bernie goes to a better hairdresser (sticks finger in electrical socket).

  • Worc1

    See the tweet from Chris Hayes aka Rachel Madcow? Or is it Rachel Madcow aka Chris Hayes? “It is *on*” I’d like to bitch slap the 2 of ’em.

  • Deplorable Member Berry

    “Fox News Poll: Sanders up by 13 points in New Hampshire”
    Someone is going to get “falling of her bar-stool” drunk tonight.

    • Don Reed

      “There’s a chance Preident Obama won’t support Sanders…” I haven’t seen a threat more potentially damaging than this one since 1967 when a high school freshman challenged a senior to a fight after being harassed (the senior laughed and wisely walked away).

  • SpaceRacer423

    hey, Im not calling Barry a racist….

    ….its just I dont remember him breaking out any tears for Tracy Davis,

    but hey, she was just a 14 yr old BLACK girl killed by thugs in “gun free” Chicago.

    • moodydon

      or the 6 year old kid, BLACK (?) who was gunned down by his dad’s rival drug dealer?
      or the gal, WHITE, killed in SF by the illegal who was deported a hundred times… ?
      or the five year old girl, WHITE, shot and killed sitting on her grandpa’s lap by idiots who go the wrong house of the guy they really wanted to kill…?
      or the 13 month old CAMBODIAN, who was shot and killed by a rival drug dealer who got the wrong house…?
      or…

  • JV

    RAYSIS!!!!!!!

  • nationaljester

    It is always a good day when liberals turn cannibal and start eating each other. Even though Hillary has the entire DNC machinery running 24/7 to secure the nomination I get the impression her camp is scared. And we still don’t know if the Obama ‘Justice’ Department will actually pull the trigger and indict Hillary.

    Perhaps Biden should have stayed in the race. Bernie could be the McGovern of 2016, or he might pull an Obama and win. So which would scare you more, Bernie or Hillary in the White House?

    • Ed McDowell

      Choice between idiot wacko and evil witch? Got anything else?

    • SchroedingersDeplorableDog

      “It is always a good day when liberals turn cannibal and start eating each other.”

      So far it’s just show. Obama’s dislike of the Clintons is probably real, but she will prove useful to him, which trumps even Zero’s spite.

      Bernie’s politics may be a shade worse, but he’s not personally spiteful. The Clinton Mafia is a traitor shadow government, so even if their stated policies are similar their character is very different.

      • Andrew Curlutu

        I can’t see how. From what I can see, the flaky “socialist” and the Wicked Wench Witch of Wellesley are both a little to the left of Chairman Mao.

      • Joe

        If you think Sanders is not personally spiteful, then you don’t know Sanders. He’s as Howard Dean/Pat Leahy nasty as they come- Vermont pols are particularly thuggish and stupid progressive democrats. The hippies of Vermont who vote them into office like their representatives to wear jackboots and brownshirts and to shout a lot and make ominous threats and curse like sailors.

    • Jerome Goolsby

      They damn well better be scared. The base love Sanders, not Rodham, and don’t be surprised if she gets smoked in both Iowa and New Hampshire.

    • Petrucio14

      Thankfully, they are not our only choices.

  • HiltonHead_Dude

    Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton can rot in hell in Ethan Allen bunk beds for all I care.

  • SchroedingersDeplorableDog

    Check the Fox tweet at 6:41 PM – 8 Jan 2016:
    Hilliary is getting male pattern baldness.
    Drugs?

  • Andres Barcelo

    Merica’, Land of the hate, home of the ignorant.

    • Knight64

      Clarify, please.

  • https://twitter.com/fedupamerican5 EverydayWoman

    I love when snakes eat snakes!

  • Moneyandworktime

    President Bernie Sanders would take 51% of a general US election with Trump getting 38%. This would be a winning “landslide of epic proportions”.

    POLL: Bernie Sanders Would DESTROY Trump In General Election
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJCOGh-5Jis
    Americans are feeling the Bern!

    • Andrew Curlutu

      Er….have you been drinking? Even the DNC realizes they can’t win a general with Beanie Bernie, why do you think they are working so hard to favor HiTlary in the debates?

      • Moneyandworktime

        With 2.5 million individual donations averaging $27 each, Bernie is proving and running a successful race. Establishment everything is being blown away. They are helping Mrs. Clinton because she is establishment.

        Bernie is non establishment and community funded. Now we can come together for mutual benefit and construct a bridge for multiple debt reductions through “best practices” strategies.

        Energy is a good start. Let’s build our local, regional and national renewably powered economy. Our products and materials based on Cradle to Cradle Certification so they are clean and healthy and designed for disassembly. Then we can remanufacture and remanufacture and remanufacture our vehicles, technology and products in our cities employing us all. These new industries are powered by community wind and solar farms backed up with hydro, geothermal, biogas, and yes electric vehicles and private electrical storage.

        Iowa is 28% wind powered paying 30% less than coal dominated Wisconsin. Texas electricity is free from 9pm to 6am with 10% wind. Wind and solar are now +6% of the US with 84% of new capacity being modern renewables in the first quarter of 2015.

        Bernie Sanders for the President of the United States of America.

        • Don Reed

          If you say so.
          *
          (I am feeling unusually docile tonight, but if my response here produces the effect of feeding the pigeons – they always come back for more — maybe I shouldn’t have said anything, right?)
          *
          Cancel that first opinion. Please go away. We’re all out of peanuts and bird seed.

          • Moneyandworktime

            Did you have a specific comment or question? We are talking about a totally new economic and politically direction for the United States and the world here.

          • Luv2GoFly

            “A totally new economic and politically direction for the Inited States and world here.” For the United States, yes. For the rest of the world, no. You see Socialism has been tried and failed over and over again. There is a reason why our nation, under capitalism, has been the most prosperous free nation in the worlds history. Well, at least that used to be the case. We have gotten away from free market capitalism and that is why we are on the down hill slide.

          • Moneyandworktime

            I see Bernie Sanders’ economic policies as supporting free market capitalism by re-establishing the rule of law for all citizens including bankers, corporate and political elite. They have been usurping wealth from the middle class for 40 years. The US economy is rigged.

            Bernie Sanders On Wall Street, College, Social Security | MSNBC, Jan 6, 2015 on YouTube

          • Luv2GoFly

            I would agree with you that there are some issues with the banks and corporate interests. However, implementing the Socialist policies that Sanders proposes will do absolutely nothing to support free market capitalism – it will destroy whatever free market capitalism we have left. Socialism is the antithesis of free market capitalism.

        • Joe

          LOL! Only in Vermont can a loon like this be voted to represent the people…. Nah, there’s lots of kooks and fools in congress from all over, but bernie is a particularly old and senile spittle-flecked idiot. Trump, Cruz, Rubio, heck even Jeb would embarrass this silly old socialist crank. Only real dim kids support Sanders- even his fellow octogenarians can’t stand the jerk!

          • Moneyandworktime

            Corporate media is now realizing, being astounded and now reporting that Bernie Sanders is speaking for the vast majority of the American citizens.

            What specific problem, issue or misunderstanding do you have with his platform?

        • Dan13

          How can you possibly reside in the Senate for 30+ years and be anti-establishment?

          • Moneyandworktime

            He is not beholden to any sponsor or billionaire or private group. He speaks his mind about the realities of economic and political injustice in the United States because he cares enough to do the actual research.

          • Ray135

            He was an Independent all those years, moron.

        • Ethanery

          Sanders has shown time and again that he does not understand basic economics or foreign policy, so why should anyone trust him with the presidency?

          • Moneyandworktime

            I guess you are going to have to give us all a few examples to back up your statements because right now most will agree that he makes the most sense on economics and foreign policy.

            Universal health care is half the cost of private and inefficient US health insurance. Iraq invasion and war was the pinnacle bad policy decision. Bernie is correct on issue after issue and has been for decades.

            From my perspective, we need collective security action followed by full modern renewables deployment everywhere to cool all things down on planet Earth.

          • Ethanery

            Most, what are you talking about? Examples: he does not know what collateral is (seen in his complaints about why interest rates on housing are lower than interest rates on student loans), he thinks ISIS was cause by AGW, he wants minimum wage increased at the federal level (which no one disputes will kill jobs, and raising it at the federal level ignores the states where cost of living is lower, which will hurt their economies), he’s in favor of “free” college (which won’t curb the growth of price, it only hides it through taxation, and public college admins have said they couldn’t handle the influx of students who’d apply under his plan), universal health care is half the cost, less than half the quality (look at the VA, UK, Scotland, etc for examples of universal health care – we may have expensive health insurance, but it is not rationally disputable to say that we have the best quality health care in the world), the justifiability of his stance on the Iraq war is disputable (we got rid of Hussein, who used chemical weapons and has killed more than ISIS), and his other economic policies are akin to those of Greece (look at how well it’s doing). So no, he has no grasp on reality in economics or foreign policy. This also disproves your second paragraph about his accuracy on issues.

            Renewables are not at the point where they can compete on their own against oil and natural gas. If they were, they wouldn’t need the government to continuously prop them up. Also, what are your thoughts on nuclear, the only alternative energy source that actually works as of this moment? And I’m not gonna tangle with you on AGW, as I’m sick of people constantly ignoring all of the evidence I bring up against it.

          • Moneyandworktime

            Yes, polling tells us at this time Bernie would beat Trump by 13 points in a “landslide of epic proportions”.

            Reference:
            POLL: Bernie Sanders Would DESTROY Trump In General Election, Dec 23, 2015, YouTube.

            So then you are openly debating the CIA and US military on their reports that climate change is a “threat multiplier” and an influence in the Syrian civil war with one million starving farmers coming to their cities for political help and solutions?43 Americans were killed in December by climate disasters. So I am hugely happy that the collective world and democratically elected leaders signed the Paris Agreement to phase out fossil fuel industrial carbon emissions.

            They just covered some of your points of perspective here:
            Bernie Sanders On Wall Street, College, Social Security | MSNBC, Jan 6, 2015. YouTube.

            On nuclear, in the last 3 year 6 US nuclear plants have shut down as uneconomic because efficiency and large scale wind and fracked natural gas have reduced electricity rates. Nuclear is a future economic, political and security liability to all future generations. Nuclear waste also needs to be repackage every 10,000 years.

            Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness free from [intergenerational] remote tyranny.

            So I will vote for renewables backed up by hydro, geothermal, biogas, electric vehicles and private storage.

            This might astound some readers but new wind sold to competitive US utilities is now priced at 2.5 cents a kilowatt hour and new solar 5 cents a kilowatt hour. This is why Dow Chemical executive decided to purchase 200 MW of wind rather than carbon based natural gas. The US Navy just bought 210 MW of new solar. SunEdison bought 300 MW of new wind. Nevada bought 100 MW of new solar from SunPower. Georgetown, Texas is going 100% wind and solar online by 2017 because they are cheaper than grid electricity. Warren Buffet just invested $900 million in new wind in Iowa.

            These are complex issues and so I am simply providing information from my perspective.

          • Ethanery

            What does your first point have to do with anything? Non-sequitor. (And I don’t take much stock in polls, a lot of the time they’re wrong, as seen when multiple pollsters said Romney would pick up Pennsylvania, Ohio, and Florida handily in 2012). Even Nate Silver doesn’t take stock in national polls. (Also, why put up Trump? Put Sanders up against someone like Rubio, who, according to those polls you trust, does better in general election). Keep in mind that I hate Trump, so trying to bash him in this argument would be a waste of time.

            Don’t care what your MSNBC video says, Sanders’ ideas have been proven to be detrimental. Compare survivorship rates, wait times, hospital cleanliness, and range of services offered in countries with universal healthcare to those offered in the US. I guarantee the US comes up better. There’s no way to reduce costs of college. The only plan that works is to freeze public college increases until inflation catches up. Private universities will freeze their prices (they can’t get much more expensive than public colleges, or they won’t attract students). Sanders’ plan would effectively hide the cost without addressing the rising prices. Also, it would be detrimental to private colleges, as they cannot compete with something being offered with no visible price tag (even students who understand that it’s not free would go for public college, because they’re already paying for it through taxes). Congratulations, it’ll collapse the college system, potentially having a domino effect, well done.

            I am openly disagreeing with them, I don’t automatically agree with everything the US government or CIA says. Heck, the US gov said Iraq had chemical weapons and I bet you disagree with them. And “climate disasters”, you mean natural events? AGW alarmists haven’t successfully tied AGW to any of last years weather phenomena. Also, the Paris agreement is non-binding (they changed the language at the last minute, so instead of committing to cutting emissions, they promised to “try” to cut emissions).

            Repackaged every 10,000 years? Not really a problem, then. And you haven’t explained how it’s a liability. And looking at WSJ article, it says that public policy is a major reason they’re closing, so it’s not just economics.

            If they can survive on their own, then why all the government subsidies? All the evidence you posted ignores the hefty subsidies that go hand in hand. Oh, and I looked at using solar power for my home, it paid for itself after 10 or 15 years, only because the government was giving a 10k subsidy, otherwise it would not be worth it.

          • Moneyandworktime

            Yes, we do need to take polls with a pinch of salt but they are the best pre-election reflections on voter mentality. I discredit all the Republicans because they are bought and paid for through their Superpack carbon emitting billionaire benefactors. They are the oligarchs of the US rigged economy.

            Canada has excellent universal health care too. If a child breaks their leg it does not cost $30K if uninsured
            bankrupting the whole family. How do the northern European education systems work? Perhaps there are some lessons to be gleaned there.

            On climate change, simply how you explain 270 ppm in 1870 to now 400 ppm in 2015 during which time western civilization found, dug up and burnt gigantic quantities of fossil fuels? 3 cubic miles of fossil fuels annually now. But Amory Lovins is showing how high efficiency, modern renewables and integrated design is taking up more and more market share of the global energy industry.

            Are you saying you would prefer a binding treaty? You would probably be the first to scream out against it.

            Luckily, financial institutions and citizen investors are increasing aware of the risks of carbon investments becoming stranded assets. Look at GM vs Tesla. GM makes 8 million vehicles a year with market capitalization of $58 billion. Tesla makes 50K vehicles a year with market capitalization of $30 billion. Or SolarCity with $6 billion market capitalization. Exelon with $34 billion market capitalization. Investors are investing in sunrise industries. Do you think high efficiency and high insulation and on-site renewables are not advantageous?

            Amory Lovins | GCEP Symposium – October 13, 2015, November 3, 2015. YouTube.

            Who is going to pay for the packaging of this nuclear waste? And in 10,000 years? Where? Who? Why would
            we make an energy system that is costly and inherently toxic? Do you not care about our kids? Do you think that is fair and just? Do you think is it fair and just to use up all the good soil, all the clean water, all the forests, all the minerals and materials and leave behind toxic landfills? I guess this is why we need citizens and businesses to build our clean, circular and renewably powered economy of regeneration. Interestingly, Europe is now working on establishing their
            circular economy based on Cradle to Cradle Certification.

            The PTC for wind and ITC for solar help these teenage energy sources grow until successful and strong adults. Tax incentives of on one year and off the next is gone. 5 years of extensions now approved is excellent for states, companies, cities and households to plan ahead and clean up their systems.

            If you think renewable subsidies are big look at the IMF (International Monetary Fund) study showing $5.3 trillion in global subsidies for fossil fuels. Or consider the $300 or $400 billion the US borrows annually from China buying mostly Saudi oil only to burn it and repeat. Great investment. As Boone Pickens said back in 2008 let’s get on our own resources like wind in the prairies and bring it to our cities.

            On solar yes, the capital costs are large but the savings are not trivial either. Which is why most schools, Walmarts, public buildings in the southern states are reducing their operating costs going forward by insulating and installing solar. Financing helps with this here. SolarCity installs roof top solar systems for free and reduces your monthly electric bills too.

            For my house google solar shows that over 20 years I will save $4,000 in costs if I install solar. Do you think the C2C certified SunPower, most efficient panels, will stop working after 20 years? They are guaranteed for 25 years and will probably keep pounding electricity into the grid after 40 years. Oh and the fuel costs annually is zero.

            Don’t you think is it good that efficiency and large scale renewables are reducing electricity prices for families and businesses through the Midwest is a good start? I definitely do. I also think that solar house heaters for a thousand installed, unsidized, kicking out 200 F when sunny is a great investment for long term value for all citizens with a southern facing wall.

          • Ethanery

            Well, Sanders has changed his position on the second amendment when the NRA donated to him, so he isn’t exactly pure either. If you enter politics, your hands are gonna dirty sooner or later.

            With regards to AGW, please explain how the computer models have been wrong, the ice caps have not melted, etc. Certainly spewing out CO2 at a high rate isn’t great for the environment, but the doom and gloom predicted just isn’t happening. Why should I trust any of the scientists who have been wrong multiple times over, and refuse to revisit their hypotheses?

            Oh, speaking of Canada, wait times for cancer screenings and treatments are months, in the US, it’s almost immediate. So many die before receiving treatment (Scotland is probably the worst example of government run health care in a Western nation, as they have a 53 percent survivorship of prostate cancer. Compare that to over 90 percent survivorship in the US). Also, the UK has begun rationing health care (you can no longer receive surgery to treat cerebral palsy). And you won’t have to go into debt if you have insurance in the US. Again, visiting the points I made about “free” college, all government healthcare would do is hide the cost. Prices for treatment are not gonna go down, not without some sort of technological innovation. Government interference just hides the cost in the form of taxation. Also, why should we look at EU member nations for economic ideas when they’re doing so poorly, even compared to us?

            For GM versus Tesla, you’re comparing apples and oranges. Tesla makes a lot because their standard vehicles are over 10 times more expensive than standard GM vehicles. And 10,000 years is a long time. With all the technological advances in the past century, I’m sure a solution will become apparent in the interval. Also, solar panels and wind turbines don’t last forever, so you’ll have to get rid of them at some point. So there’s waste either way. Again, the only way solar undercuts the competition is through subsidies. I’ve researched this thoroughly for presentations. Without the 10k subsidy offered where I live, it does not pay for itself. I have no problem with alternative sources, but the fact that they government props them up shows they still have a long way to go. Also, show US subsidies for fossil fuels, and whether they’re investing in oil itself or in companies that sell oil (many oil companies have gotten subsidies to look into solar, wind, and water). Also, why do your fellow environmental activists refuse to allow California to build solar panels in the Mojave Desert (environmentalists complained because some owls live there)?

          • Moneyandworktime

            Bernie says that there is basically no gun laws in Vermont for the mostly rural hunters. Urban guns are a serious public safety problem for citizens and police.

            Please provide peer reviewed scientific documentation that the best climate science is indeed wrong? Not a Fox News link which is intentionally cherry picked and therefore misleading and erroneous. Yes, for sure spewing industrial carbon, smog, mercury into and around our citizens is most definitely not good. Moving on towards renewables because this one-chance climate experiment is idiotic, reckless and unnecessary.

            On health care, again good quality universal health care can be achieved with half the costs as US private health insurance. For example, unfortunately my Canadian friend’s mother just died of cancer recently. For two years she received all the cancer treatments, drugs and hospital visits for free, indirectly. For the last three weeks of her life community nurses came daily to visit her, check
            her vitals, clean her when necessary, feed her, give her medications and make her feel comfortable in her own house until she died. Her sons, friends and community helped out a lot too.

            On education, Bernie’s plan is to pay for free college tuitions from a tax on Wall Street transactions. He said this would free up $100 billion annually. Also offshore tax loop-hole havens are worth another $300 billion annually.

            10 times? Tesla Model S $80,000 and Model 3 $35,000. GM car $25,000. $8 of renewable electricity for 200 miles versus $40 tank of gasoline of roughly same distance. Again it is the upfront costs that can be financed and paid off over time or all at once if possible.

            On nuclear waste, if we do not know how to make it benign and inherently safe then stop making it! Or at least build a strategy to phase it out. On solar it is question of financing at this point as mass production increases as
            solar deployments increase as well. The more we buy; the cheaper they get. The more we buy; the cheaper they get. This is beauty of the economies of scale found through mass production.

            Yes, the materials that make solar and wind need to be designed for recycling. Gladly SunPower is already Cradle to Cradle Certified designed for clean disassembly and remanufacturing. I know Vestas is
            chasing fully recyclability too. Steel cycles into new steel. Copper cycles into new copper. Glass to glass. Aluminum to aluminum. Please realize that to recycle a pop or beer can requires 5% of the manufacturing energy as creating a new aluminum can for aluminum bauxite ore. Now play that out throughout the economic and then ask if it is a better economic strategy than take, make, waste and take down another mountain?

            Corporate America companies like Steelcase, Herman Miller, Shaw carpets, SunPower, Method, Desso, MechoShade, RohnerTexiles, Jones Lang LeSalle, Goggle, YouTube, Turner Construction, Hycrete, Alcoa, Make It Right, Brad Pitt, Mike Holmes, LEED, City of San Francisco, Netherlands, European Union, China etc have and are now transforming into circular and clean production…for example Jones Lang LeSalle manages 3 billion square feet of real estate! I suggest we all prefer
            C2C certified products.

            William McDonough: Why Prefer Cradle to Cradle | Greenbuild 2014. December 1, 2014. YouTube.

            I would advise community sized large scale renewables along with high efficiency and high insulation; yes even in the southeast and southwest to reduce loads for cooling. With these projects let’s try to optimize their locations on brown field sites located close to electrical loads. I do not know the specifics of the Mojave Desert solar project you are referring. But it seems PV and thermal solar troughs are effective electrical generators and less damaging to birds than solar focus thermal stations or coal plants.

            Please remember that as Tesla Powerwalls and utility scale Powerpacks are starting to get shipped and installed, if we have full electric storage we do not need and can shut down half of the world’s electric generating fleets. Hours of operation for coal, nuclear and even natural gas will decease as the renewable solutions are scaled up and deployed.

          • Moneyandworktime

            Bernie says that there is basically no gun laws in Vermont for the mostly rural hunters. Urban guns are a serious public safety problem for citizens and police.

            Please provide peer reviewed scientific documentation that the best climate science is indeed wrong? Not a Fox News link which is intentionally cherry picked and therefore misleading and erroneous. Yes, for sure spewing industrial carbon, smog, mercury into and around our citizens is most definitely not good. Moving on towards renewables because this one-chance climate experiment is idiotic, reckless and unnecessary.

            On health care, again good quality universal health care can be achieved with half the costs as US private health insurance. For example, unfortunately my Canadian friend’s mother just died of cancer recently. For two years she received all the cancer treatments, drugs and hospital visits for free, indirectly. For the last three weeks of her life community nurses came daily to visit her, check
            her vitals, clean her when necessary, feed her, give her medications and make her feel comfortable in her own house until she died. Her sons, friends and community helped out a lot too.

            On education, Bernie’s plan is to pay for free college tuitions from a tax on Wall Street transactions. He said this would free up $100 billion annually. Also offshore tax loop-hole havens are worth another $300 billion annually.

            10 times? Tesla Model S $80,000 and Model 3 $35,000. GM car $25,000. $8 of renewable electricity for 200 miles versus $40 tank of gasoline for roughly the same
            distance. Again it is the upfront costs that can be financed and paid off over time or all at once if possible.

            On nuclear waste, if we do not know how to make it benign and inherently safe then stop making it! Or at least build a strategy to phase it out.

            On solar it is a question of financing at this point too. As mass production increases as solar deployments increase as well. The more we buy; the cheaper they get and the more we buy; the cheaper they get. This is the beauty of the economies of scale found through mass production.

            Yes, the materials that make solar and wind need to be designed for recycling. Gladly SunPower is already Cradle to Cradle Certified so their highest efficiency all black PV panels are designed for clean disassembly and remanufacturing.

            I know Vestas is chasing fully recyclability too. Steel cycles into new steel. Copper cycles into new copper. Glass to glass. Aluminum to aluminum. Please realize that to recycle a pop or beer can requires 5% of the manufacturing energy as creating a new aluminum can from aluminum bauxite ore. Now play that out throughout the economy and then ask if it is a better economic strategy than take, make, waste and take down another mountain?

            Corporate America companies like Steelcase, Herman Miller, Shaw carpets, SunPower, Method, Desso, MechoShade, RohnerTexiles, Jones Lang LeSalle, Goggle, YouTube, Turner Construction, Hycrete, Alcoa, Make It Right, Brad Pitt, Mike Holmes, LEED, City of San Francisco, Netherlands, European Union, China etc have and are now transforming into circular and clean production…for example Jones Lang LeSalle manages 3 billion square feet of real estate! I suggest we all prefer
            C2C certified products.

            I would advise community sized large scale renewables along with high efficiency and high insulation; yes even in the southeast and southwest to reduce loads for cooling. With these projects let’s try to optimize their locations on brown field sites located close to electrical loads.

            I do not know the specifics of the Mojave Desert solar project you are referring. But it seems PV and thermal solar troughs are effective electrical generators and less damaging to birds than solar focus thermal stations or coal
            plants.

            Please remember that, as Tesla Powerwalls and utility scale Powerpacks are starting to get shipped and installed, if we have full electric storage we do not need and can shut down half of the world’s electric generating fleets. The hours of operation for coal, nuclear and even natural gas electrical plants will decease as the renewables are scaled up and deployed.

  • Cärlös Dängër ✓certifiable

    Time for popcorn…

  • oldshortfatboy

    They are both liars and anti-gun.

  • soxfan4evah

    So are the Dems running on an anti gun platform, a lady parts platform, or all this free stuff platform?

    • Petrucio14

      Depending on who they are pandering to at the moment, all of the above. And the opposite.

  • Don Reed

    OH NO! Now BERNIE is proving that Esquire magazine hack’s contention that men are crazy about her and yet, sublimate it into hostility towards her. How many psychiatrist coaches are they going to need in the White House in 2017?!

  • http://drudgereport.com/ Myles Standish

    Anyone who would vote for either candidate are either not paying attention, are uneducated, or only vote for candidates who are pro-infanticide and pro-LGBTQIAPNB_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ (room for more initials) as the scope of perversion continues to widen as it inevitably must, since if you support one, you’ve opened the proverbial floodgate and are obligated by liberal law to support everything people can dream up, or you are labeled one or more of these dreaded things: judgmental, hateful, evil, narrow-minded, close-minded, homophobic, transphobic, pedophobic, bestialphobic, necrophobic, questioningphobic, lezphobic, gayphobic, biphobic, conservative, Christian, etc., etc., etc., ad nauseum.

  • Kopernicus

    I have no problem with Bernie Sanders. I don’t agree with him on anything, but at least he is honest about what he thinks, and that is why a lot of Dems like him over the perpetual and pathological liar, HRC.

    Same with Trump. Not a conservative in any true sense, but people are so sick of politicians parsing issues and speaking out both sides of their mouth, they like to hear someone actually unafraid to speak out.

    I think the most entertaining 2016 match-up would be Trump v. Sanders. Those may be the most highly rated debates in TV history.

    • Dan13

      Sanders has been in the Senate for 30+ years. He has taken marching orders from both Reid and Byrd.

      • Suzyqpie

        Bernie Sanders, United States Senator from Vermont (2007–present), United States Representative from Vermont’s At-large District (1991–2007). Bernie has been at the trough for 30 years, but only 8 at the Senate trough.
        There is nothing in Bernie years of “service” that distinguishes him from any other autoecious bureaucrat of WDC.

  • Nos Nevets

    Rs should do that same thing constantly. CONSTANTLY.
    Just play back former D statements & let them stew in their own juices.
    (Of course, there’s a danger the Ds will do the same.)

  • Charlotte Scot

    It has gotten to the point that whenever Hillary Clinton makes a statement about anything, I assume she had a different position in the past. Very unfortunate.

  • BorderLine Guy

    Hillary’s stance has “evolved.”

    • Suzyqpie

      Democrats “evolve.”
      Republicans “flip-flop.”
      aka, MSM narrative control.

  • EDUCATEDPATRIOT

    WTF is Bernie waiting for? With all of the ammo available to him on HRC and her perverted husband?

    He is either does not want to win, or he has been instructed (warned?) not to win.

    • Please, god help us!

      On occasion Sanders seems as though he has stumbled upon the unassailable truth, but then he picks himself up and carries on as if nothing ever happened.

  • Sanchez

    Has there been a candidate ever that is such a KNOWN bad candidate?

    Even Obama was only bad by speculation but Clinton is a known bad candidate.

  • Pat443

    Proof of something I’ve been saying for years: Never underestimate the power of the “Anybody But Hillary” vote. Back in 2008, she was touted as so invincible that the only person who dared challenge her was a little-known, first-term, far-left black Senator with no relevant experience whatsoever and the same name as Saddam Hussein. Voters figured, “Well, at least he’s not Hillary” and voted for him. This time around, Hillary is again painted as so inevitable that the only one crazy enough to really challenge her is a wild-haired, 73-year-old Vermont socialist who talks like a Brooklyn Kosher deli sandwich maker. Voters are saying, “Well, at least he’s not Hillary” and backing him. I’m convinced that if the only alternative to her was a flea-bitten junkyard dog with rabies, a majority of voters would ask, “How advanced is the rabies? He’s not foaming at the mouth yet? Well, then, at least he’s not Hillary. He’s got my vote.”

  • Please, god help us!

    Podesta: Dems have “a real choice because standing up to the gun lobby is a real difference between Sen. Sanders and Hillary Clinton.”

    The reason why politicians are afraid of enacting anti-gun legislation is because they tend to get unelected if they do so. It may be convenient to rationalize this as fear of the gun lobby; but it is in fact … fear of the electorate.

    Progressives always resort to this shift because it is the only arrow in their quiver. They do not have any reasoning to give. If they could reason, they would not be Progressives.

  • Bill Douglas

    Hillary wants us talking about guns, so we’ll forget that her top donors are Wall Street Banks … go see the new blockbuster film w/ Brad Pitt, Ryan Gosling, Steve Carrell, “The Big Short” about how Wall Street screwed us all. Anyone who doesn’t love Bernie going in will be a total Berniac when they walk out.

    URGE EVERYONE TO SEE “THE BIG SHORT.”

    Go see it at a crowded time, and do what I did at the end of the film, I stood before the audience and said loudly, “If you haven’t checked out Bernie Sanders yet, go to BernieSanders.com. Again, that’s BernieSanders.com.”

    • Deplorable Nigel Pinchley

      Well, you’ve sure convinced me! Let’s bring on la revolucion! To the barricades comrads! Socialismo o Muerte! Or in other words, Socialism for the People — But Not for the Socialists!
      I’m no great fan of Wall Street and the Democrats at Goldman Sachs, but Wall Street has made me a hell of lot more money than any of the Wingtipistas of the Democrat left.
      Unfortunately Bernie knows nothing about economics, but like Mayor di Blasio of NYC he loves him some commie dictators. One honeymooned in the Soviet Union while the other took his bride to the Worker’s Paradise of Cuba. Unfortunately di Blasio was late for execution season and didn’t get to see the mass murder his socialist brethren were famous for. And Bernie was too late for the wonderful show trials of the thirties, but did get to tour the Gulag and the mental hospitals where dissidents were imprisoned. And both are great friends of the wonderful Bolivarian dictatorship taking place in Venezuela, a country swimming in oil that should be as rich as Midas and yet no one can find toilet paper in the stores and rice and beans have to be rationed.
      Don’t tell me about how wonderful Bernie is. He’s a fool and an old fool at that. Socialism has not, does not and never will work! Once you run out of other people’s money you’re done. It happened in the Soviet Union, the other Warsaw Pact nations, Cuba and Venezuela. All were touted as worker’s paradises where all men were equal, yet some were more equal than others. They all quickly turned into Marxist hovels ruled by vicious, bloodthirsty dictators who impoverished their people while living in opulent luxury themselves. And I should support Bernie? Good luck with that!

  • Go USA

    Notice how Sanders removed “Bibles” from the obama quote?
    This clown is an anti-religion fascist.

  • Bruce Bosco

    The Republican Trolls on here are Hilarious – #BernieSanders does not throw Black out of his Rallies like Trump does and at Least Democrats don’t try to repeal every social aid program that has ever existed and try to raise the retirement age to 70 Frankly only a Idiot would vote for anyone running for the GOP

  • Don Carpenter

    The NRA got Bernie elected to his current job. Why is no one pointing that out?