Add Nancy Pelosi to the list of politicians who make our laws but don’t consider themselves expert enough on the Constitution to answer if Ted Cruz is or is not eligible to serve as president:

We wonder, however, if she’s thought this out. If Cruz can’t be president, then how many other Americans should potentially be stripped of their citizenship just because they were born to one American parent overseas? Or what about children born in America to parents in the country illegally?

She can play this little game as much as she wants, but she might not like the outcome.

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  • http://www.almarquardt.com/ almarquardt

    I suppose it should come as no surprise that so many in Washington are ignorant of the Constitution. Why would they care to know a document they are intent destroying at every turn — and wish didn’t exist in the first place?

    • CatHerder ✓fire! ✓fire!

      In spite of the fact they owe their positions to it.

      • http://www.dontneednostinkinwebsite.com/ Midlandr

        I think they owe their positions to an ignorant public and voter and the State Propaganda machines.

  • san rafael blue

    To be fair (yes, fair, even to The Nancy), why would she know? That’s not her main job description. Nancy does not strike me as a Policy Wonk. She was the one who said ‘You Gotta pass it to know what’s in it!”

    • Tyrconnell

      To be factual, she said “We’ve got to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it.”

    • Tom Pavich

      She was head of DNC and signed Obama’s eligibility papers in 2008, so she SHOULD know.

  • Perso Nasplit

    Its a house of cards, and they all are trying not to knock it over.

    • http://www.almarquardt.com/ almarquardt

      Thankfully Cruz is more than willing to blow on that house of cards.

  • Girl who talks with her claws
    • Penny✓ItsSoFluffy! #GoBolts!

      They made sure she got her morning dose of Aricept before they sent her out.

  • TocksNedlog

    I guess we’ll just have to elect him in order for her to find out what his status is!

  • Acethepug

    Amazing. I know the Left has no long-term memory or moral consistency, but do they honestly think everyone else is the same way?

    Simply jaw-dropping that the Party of Obama the Traitor would even have the audacity to bring these things up as if they were legitimate questions after the tantrums thrown when one of their own, Sir Edmund, did this to President Affirmative Action …

    • Onyx

      She didn’t bring it up. Trump did.

  • spaceycakes

    there’s only one reason she won’t answer that kind of question….it’s because precedent has already been set.

  • Sanchez

    “then how many other Americans should potentially be stripped of their
    citizenship just because they were born to one American parent overseas?”

    Irrelevant Twitchy. the only thing that matters is the DEFINITION of “natural born citizen” not plain old citizen since it is clear a citizen is one at birth to a US citizen parent. Being a citizen is not enough to be President.

    • http://www.saltusa.com/ #ExGOP #NeverTrumpOrHillary

      THANK YOU! THAT’S what’s at issue. I’m a HUGE Cruz supporter but I honestly believe there are valid arguments either way. There’s a REASON the Framers put the modifier “natural” before “born citizen.” They didn’t say merely “born.” They said “natural” born, indicative of a HIGHER standard.

      • Kenton Clarkson

        They did not want a foreign national becoming an American citizen to become POTUS. Ted was a citizen from the moment of birth because his mother is a citizen. Just a red herring put up by Trump supporters

        • justlittlolme

          The wording is ‘natural born’ citizen. How many natural parents does a child have?

          • Kenton Clarkson

            I believe 2.
            barri’s purported father was not a citizen, but his purported mother was.

          • justlittlolme

            That’s right. ..and I never considered him eligible either.

          • Sanchez

            One according to the existing law.

            8 U.S. Code § 1401 – Nationals and citizens of United States at birth

            (g)

            a person born outside the geographical limits of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is an alien, and the other a citizen of the United States who, prior to the birth of such person, was physically present in the United States or its outlying possessions for a period or periods totaling not less than five years, at least two of which were after attaining the age of fourteen years:

            Provided, That any periods of honorable service in the Armed Forces of the United States, or periods of employment with the United States Government or with an international organization as that term is defined in section 288 of title 22 by such citizen parent, or any periods during which such citizen parent is physically present abroad as the dependent unmarried son or daughter and a member of the household of a person (A) honorably serving with the Armed Forces of the United States, or (B) employed by the United
            States Government or an international organization as defined in section 288 of title 22, may be included in order to satisfy the physical-presence requirement of this paragraph. This proviso shall be applicable to persons born on or after December 24, 1952, to the same extent as if it had become effective in its present form on that date; and

            (h)

            a person born before noon (Eastern Standard Time) May 24, 1934,
            outside the limits and jurisdiction of the United States of an alien
            father and a mother who is a citizen of the United States who, prior to the birth of such person, had resided in the United States.

            https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1401

          • justlittlolme

            That’s a naturalization law. The term natural born appears no where in it.

          • Sanchez

            It is the only existing law on citizenship. The term “natural born citizen” is only found in the US Constitution and in the 1790 Naturalization Act. the term is not found in any other law and has never been before the SCOTUS.

            “And the children of citizens of the United States that may be born
            beyond Sea, or out of the limits of the United States, shall be
            considered as natural born Citizens: Provided, that the right of
            citizenship shall not descend to persons whose fathers have never been
            resident in the United States: Provided also, that no person heretofore
            proscribed by any States, shall be admitted a citizen as aforesaid,
            except by an Act of the Legislature of the State in which such person
            was proscribed.”

            http://library.uwb.edu/static/USimmigration/1790_naturalization_act.html

          • justlittlolme

            is only found in the US Constitution and in the 1790 Naturalization Act.
            Which was repealed by the SAME Congress with the 1795 Naturalization act where the ‘natural born citizen’ language was removed and replaced with ‘citizen of the United States’.
            Children born to citizens naturalized under the act was of limited duration in order to correspond with the ‘or citizens at the time of it’s adoption’ in the grandfather clause.

            A repealed law is a dead law. There is nothing to indicate they intended the 1790 Act to operate in perpetuity.

          • Sanchez

            As I said, “is only found in the US Constitution and in the 1790 Naturalization Act.”

          • justlittlolme

            Kind of tough to get to the truth by treating an inoperable law as operable, but it’s your prerogative, I guess.

          • Sanchez

            I never did what you claim. I made a statement that is true.

          • justlittlolme

            If you take the 1790 Act as a definition of natural born and ignore the fact the 1795 act repealed the 1795 act and omitted the natural born language, how are you not treating an inoperable law as operable? Prohibition was repealed, too. Do you think it’s still in force?

          • http://www.dontneednostinkinwebsite.com/ Midlandr

            So? It was understood at the writing of the Constitution that Natural Born refers to birth to TWO citizens on US soil. Not naturalized, not foreign born.

          • http://www.dontneednostinkinwebsite.com/ Midlandr

            Correct, because Natural Born is not synonymous with native born or “citizen” as used in the example. If they were synonyms, I doubt the founders would have used two different terms for qualifications for POTUS and Senators and Representatives.

          • Michelle ✓classified

            Stop that Sanchez! People hate facts.

          • http://www.dontneednostinkinwebsite.com/ Midlandr

            red herring, a non-sequitur.

          • justlittlolme

            How so? If it takes two parents to make the child, both parent’s Allegiance would come into play if they differed.

          • http://www.dontneednostinkinwebsite.com/ Midlandr

            You confuse the term Natural Born (as used in the Constitution) to refer to being born of a male and female through either a vaginal birth or Cesarean section. NB in this case is not referring to biology, but to the political/social aspect of being born to two citizens on the territory of said country.

          • justlittlolme

            EXCUSE ME – I did no such thing. The concept of Natural born is based in Natural law. Part of the current law dot com definition of which is:
            2) the body of laws derived from nature and reason, embodied in the Declaration of Independence assertion that “all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their creator with certain inalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of happiness.” 3) the opposite of “positive law,” which is created by mankind through the state.

            You are the one who insisted on misinterpreting my words trying to distinguish between Natural Law and Man-made law as a notion of some TYPE of birth, so don’t push your ridiculous notion of what you think I meant off on me.

          • http://www.dontneednostinkinwebsite.com/ Midlandr

            Sure, I’ll stand aside and let the donkey pass.

          • justlittlolme

            How clever. Too bad your reply doesn’t do anything to make you look like less of an ass.
            Interpreting what someone said into something they didn’t is one of the lowest forms of deception.

          • http://www.dontneednostinkinwebsite.com/ Midlandr

            As you said. Please pass aside. If you wish to see an ass, check your mirror while you shave.

        • http://www.dontneednostinkinwebsite.com/ Midlandr

          Mr. Clarkson, Senator Cruz is a citizen, a native citizen due to his mother’s US citizenship, he doesn’t qualify as Natural Born. He is likely a Canadian citizen (as may I be, the Texas consulate couldn’t verify one way or the other). Mr. Cruz may well be a Cuban citizen too, since his father was a Cuban citizen working in Calgary (though he did have permanent US residency), Rafael Cruz (father) didn’t become a US citizen until after Senator Cruz’ birth. Natural Born refers to; a) being born to TWO US Citizens and, b) being born on US soil (country or territory, organized or not).

          • Kenton Clarkson

            We disagree, which is fine, that’s what the First Amendment is all about

          • Michelle ✓classified

            Definitely disagree with him/her. Federal law says only one parent has to the a US citizen.

          • Kenton Clarkson

            little barri’s putative father was not a US citizen now, was he?

          • http://www.dontneednostinkinwebsite.com/ Midlandr

            Yep. I will add, that since we have a fraudulent POTUS, the Constitutional qualifications are moot. Our POTUS has shredded the Constitution into near meaninglessness with the acquiescence of the Congress and enabling of the SCrOTUS. I suspect that the Founders Constitution is past resuscitation.

          • Kenton Clarkson

            No, the Constitution and the POTUS’ actions will make an astounding comeback when Ted or DT become President. This is why TOOLS like Juan McCain mouthoff about Ted: he wants to get the Federal Gov back to its limited mandated responsibilities. Thta would mean cutting it in half, eliminating whole Departments, firing a million employees, and keeping a trillion $ or more a year in the pockets of the American persons whom earn it, therefore out of the greedy hands of the socialists in DC

          • http://www.dontneednostinkinwebsite.com/ Midlandr

            I will wait for that turnaround without holding my breath. Should either become POTUS, AND the Congress remain in or grow in GOP control, we may see a change. We saw NO change really, from January 2001 to January 2009, when a great change could have been accomplished. Don’t hold your breath. We’ll see what happens on the morning of Wednesday, November 9.

            I do agree with the cut, gut and eliminate approach to reducing the Federal Government to a Constitutional size. I believe it would have to look back to the 1860’s to get close.

          • Kenton Clarkson

            “WE saw no change from 2001 to 2009″…Let me impolitely translate that for you: Dubya was a spineless weasel on domestic affairs, gave the libpukes whatever they wanted and then watched while they savaged him anyway, never stood up for himself, always gave them the benefit of the doubt, remained a “gentleman” and thus soiled the R brand for a decade and paved the way for the obamanation.
            That’s why DT is where he is: he FIGHTS and speaks his mind and calls them out for the socialist candyasses they are.
            I still am a Cruz supporter but I will DAMN SURE vote for Donald if he is the nominee.

          • http://www.dontneednostinkinwebsite.com/ Midlandr

            Mr. Clarkson, no need to go translator, I already knew that. W didn’t fall far from his liberal father. W governed, domestically, NO differently than Sick Willie Jeff. W didn’t really “soil” the Republican brand, as he was always the country clubbing, Rockyfeller type anyway, he just spoke more “conservatively” than his father. W wasn’t a bad governor, but he was a lousy President as far as “Republican” and republican principles went. While I can respect 41 and 43 as gentlemen, I’d rather have a ball busting slayer of lefttards.

            I too support Cruz, and will vote for Trump if he too is the nominee. I will not however, vote for another BushDoleMcInsaneRomney clone.

          • Kenton Clarkson

            What you said.
            It’s down to Ted, The Squirrel-Head Wonder Boy and maaaybe Marco, altho I think he is gunning for VP at this point.
            I would like to see a Cruz/West ticket personally

          • http://www.dontneednostinkinwebsite.com/ Midlandr

            Ditto, I don’t trust Marco the Eight Boy, er Ball one stinking iota. He has a big bridge to rebuild and he’s not working on it well. I supported him right up to his running into the arms of the Seven Ba st ar ds from heck.

          • Michelle ✓classified

            “Natural Born refers to; a) being born to TWO US Citizens”

            Not according to Federal law. Federal law says only one parent has to be a citizen of the U.S. at time of child’s birth outside the country. Cruz’ mother was a US citizen when Cruz was born. Therefore, he was a US citizen upon birth; a natural born citizen.

            If your statement were true that both parents have to be US citizens in order for their foreign born child to be a US citizen, explain how Ted Cruz is a US citizen.

          • http://www.dontneednostinkinwebsite.com/ Midlandr

            Ms Michelle. What you cite refers to citizenship, not Natural Born. Cruz has/can claim citizenship through his mother as she was a citizen. That does’t make him natural born, but “native born” which is different and not “naturalized” either.
            Senator Cruz’ father was a Cuban citizen and a permanent resident (though working in Calgary) of the US. Senator Cruz could be considered tri-national, a Canadian by circumstance of birth, a US citizen through his mother and a Cuban citizen through his father.
            It wasn’t until the late 19th century that the idea of just being born in the country would make one a citizen, unless your PARENTS were citizens. Several badly interpreted or bad judicial decisions have really loused up our country. These bad decisions have resulted in anchor babies, who in the past would just be citizens of their parents homeland, not the USA.

      • Paladin

        It’s not necessarily a higher standard, but a more precisely defined standard.

        In the British Empire in the 1700s, the term “natural born” was used to describe children that were born outside of the British Empire, but born to subjects of the British Empire.

        Likewise, the term “natural born Citizen” used in the Naturalization Acts and Law around the year 1800 had the same connotation. It is a citizen that does not have to go through a naturalization procedure.

        “…the children of citizens of the United States that may be born beyond Sea, or out of the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born Citizens: Provided, that the right of citizenship shall not descend to persons whose fathers have never been resident in the United States…”

        http://www.indiana.edu/~kdhist/H105-documents-web/week08/naturalization1790.html

    • Isahiah62

      natural eh?
      so anyone born by C-section is out? vaginal births only

  • Sanchez

    Ask Pelosi what the difference is between todays Democrat Party and Socialism.

    • DeplorableCats4all✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

      Watch her head spin!

      • san rafael blue

        Head spinning like a Barn Owl during an exorcism!

        • DeplorableCats4all✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

          Linda Blair has nothing on Nancy Pelosi!

          youtube.com/watch?v=sO9FD7zI7k0

  • ThewlynOh ✓certifiable

    hello, on a sort of related note, a bunch of the US Men’s National Soccer team would be disqualified (i know, nobody cares, but it’s relevant, gimme some leeway please!)

  • Doc Farmer✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ ᵈᵉᵖˡᵒʳᵃᵇˡᵉ

    Does she have to see the birth certificate to know what’s in it?

  • J-

    If one more Dem questions Cruz’s eligibility on grounds of citizenship, we get to do a full vetting of where Obama was born and what passport he used to get into Pakistan. Deal?

  • Kenton Clarkson

    If you axed Nan-Nan if the Sun revolves around the Earth she would not be able to answer that either

    • DeplorableCats4all✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

      She sure couldn’t tell you if the unborn is human. I guess she figures babies are brought by the stork.

      • Kenton Clarkson

        A party that has her/it, DWS and harry reid as their “leadership”?
        Really?
        Of course we have The Chinless Wonder, Eddie Munster, and formerly the Orange Boner so maybe I should just shut up…ya think? lol

    • Doc Farmer✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ ᵈᵉᵖˡᵒʳᵃᵇˡᵉ

      I’ll bet she knows that most islands won’t tip over, though…

      • Kenton Clarkson

        And what gives the confidence to say that Doc?
        Been talkin’ to the estimable Hank Johnson?
        lol

  • Acuda4me ✓Please!

    They must really be afraid of Cruz.

  • dbennett

    I guess we’ll have to elect him to find out? Isn’t that your process Nancy?

  • blfdjlj

    This is debatable (unlike Obama’s eligibility).

    • Girl who talks with her claws

      Good little disciple. Now go back to the airport & shake your tambourine for donations to keep climate change from killing all of us.

      • Penny✓ItsSoFluffy! #GoBolts!

        Flag the troll and move on.

  • wrestlefan01

    the fact that trump is even bringing this up is sickening..if the american people cant wake up and see that this clown trump is no different than obama then i feel for this country as a whole..if he or hillary are the next president that is the day i rip up my voters registration card

  • https://disqus.com/home/channel/robositegbbwashingtoncapitalsforum/ robostop10

    I think all the botox and plastic in Pelosi’s face has rotted her brain.

  • Billboy89

    Well Nancy, we just need to elect him to find out, right? Isn’t that how things work in washington, vote on something and then read the fine print?

  • are u freakin kidding me

    Mebbe the Obama folks can whip up a birf cert for Cruz too?

    • Onyx

      Cruz released his (Canadian) birth certificate to the media back in 2013. Why, do you think that one is fake too?

  • Russ

    Which means yes, but she wants him out of the race.

    • Onyx

      Ding ding ding.

  • CandanceCork

    Seeing this picture of Pelosi (besides making me ill) reminded me that when they showed the picture of Henriette Reker–the mayor of Cologne Germany–she looks just like Pelosi. Why is this interesting? Because she has taken no action about the over 100 women who were sexually assaulted by (probably) Muslim men (over 1000 of them). She just told women to stay an arm’s length away. Anyway the ugliness runs deep with these crazy women.

    • Russ

      Yeah, that recommendation to stay away from guys in public places didn’t go over very well.

  • Gloves M. Donahue

    Even though Gloria Swanson is dead, she could still stay play Nancy in a movie about her life. “We had faces, then!”

  • Jerry Shelton

    That is how it works folks…the less you know about what you are destroying the easier it to destroy it.

  • http://www.dontneednostinkinwebsite.com/ Midlandr

    He is if the Kenyan born fraud is eligible, Peloski should know, she signed off of Barrybuttboi.

    • Onyx

      What’s the connection? Obama was born in the United States. Cruz was born in Canada. Cruz is clearly eligible… the Dems are just being circumspect about it because they benefit from the circular wingnut firing squad… but not for the same reason as Obama.

      • http://www.dontneednostinkinwebsite.com/ Midlandr

        There is no evidence of a Hawaiian birth.

        • Onyx

          Except for birth certificates and newspaper announcements.

          • http://www.dontneednostinkinwebsite.com/ Midlandr

            There are no certified birth certificates, the one released and the “newspaper” announcements are likely forgeries. The former Governor, Abercrombie admitted as such (no birth certificate), the former State official in charge of birth records also stated that fact. There is more evidence of a British East African birth.

      • LimpingHenry

        It doesn’t matter where Obama was born. His mother was a US citizen.

        • Onyx

          Not true… she was a US citizen, but she was only 18, so she hadn’t met the requirement for how long she had to live in the US as an adult. So if he were actually born in Kenya, he wouldn’t have been a US citizen.

  • coolercoleman

    The plain meaning of “natural born citizen” is understood to be a person who was a citizen “naturally,” referring to the conditions that attended their natural birth into this world, as opposed to undergoing a citizenship process later in life or through immigration.

    It does not mean—and has never meant—that both parents had to be U.S. citizens, or that a person had to be born on U.S. soil.

    • Michelle ✓classified

      We keep trying to explain this to them, but they refuse to grasp it.

      • LimpingHenry

        Refuse is the correct term. They don’t want to grasp it.

  • Orly Taitz

    the issue is not citizenship, the issue of being a natural born citizen as required by the constitution to be the president

    • LimpingHenry

      And he is. If the mother is a citizen, the baby is a citizen.

  • JV

    its their turn to be labeled as BIRTHERS

    ROFLMAO

  • Frustrated Teacher

    “She can play this little game as much as she wants, but she might…just wander around in circles muttering to herself and cursing every once in a while’…there FIFY!

  • bicentennialguy

    When this bitch becomes worm food, party at my place!

  • ThomasCollins1

    “If Cruz can’t be president, then how many other Americans should potentially be stripped of their citizenship…”

    Just because he doesn’t meet the requirement to be president (TWO citizen parents) doesn’t mean he has to be stripped of his citizenship.

    • LimpingHenry

      He is totally qualified to be President.

  • dennis richardson

    The Bushes pushed me out of the Republican party though I am still a conservative. “That government that governs least governs best”. Founding father The Bushes are a Crime Family from top to bottom.

  • genes ✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ ᵈᵉᵖˡᵒʳᵃᵇˡᵉ

    But she knows it’s Constitutional to DEEM a bill has passed.

  • teamfrazzled

    Interesting. I can find the relevant statute but she can’t? https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1401

    Ted Cruz entered the US as a natural born citizen at age 4. Unlike Obama, Cruz was raised and educated in American schools. No do overs now.

    • Onyx

      What does “age 4” or being educated in American schools have to do with it?

      • teamfrazzled

        Even if natural born, being outside the US for more than 5 years can cause problems for people and have their citizenship challenged, especially if they lived as a national of another country. Not an issue for Cruz who was promptly admitted into the US as a natural born citizen. This is a phony issue hoping to take the wind out of Cruz’s sails now that he is rising in the polls.

        Being educated in the US during the formative years means the individual has been educated in accordance with American values which the founders considered of prime importance in a Presidential candidate. Now compare that to Obama who was born in Hawaii and like Cruz, his father was not a US citizen. Obama was taken to Indonesia for his early education and didn’t return until his late childhood. During his formative years, Obama was educated in foreign countries and the fact that education left him ignorant about the meaning of “American exceptionalism” and under the impression it is some kind of macho bragging point somehow arrogantly claiming Americans are a superior bunch of humans than other humans when it is no such thing and refers to the fact the way Americans live is the exception to the human norm and still is for the majority of the world today is stunning. Obama is the only President whose love of this country is in real doubt and for excellent reasons. The fact he remained outside the US for more than 5 years and his early education was not in this country is actually far more important and should have been challenged. Not the bs about the location of the piece of ground where his US citizen mother dropped him out of her body. If a citizen gives birth while out of the country, her child is a natural born citizen. If she lives outside the US with that child for more than 5 years, the citizenship and loyalty of both can be challenged in court.

        So if Obama is eligible -technically popped out on US soil but then raised and educated outside the country and did not return for 10 years, then Cruz – also born to an American mother who then brought him back to the US to insure he was raised and educated as an American -is without a doubt eligible.

        • Onyx

          Well, I agree that Cruz is certainly eligible and that this is a red herring. Your opinions on the importance of being raised and educated in America are interesting, and I’m sure shared by many, but I don’t believe have any legal weight. A person not born a US citizen is not eligible to be President under any conditions, is my understanding, even if moved to the US as an infant and fully raised and educated as an American.

  • Rob Ca

    Pelousy signed the Dim nomination papers for Barry w/o so much as even actually finding out where he was actually born (An image posted on the internet is not a BC of any kind and the COLB image posted on the internet had language on it that denoted that an actual COLB was only prima facie evidence of what was stated on it in any court proceeding.) Now we know that Obama was never being smeared because the “born in Kenya” fact originated from his very own bio that was written for his first unpublished book project “Journeys in Black and White” in 1991 which is 16 years before he announced. His agent asked Obama for a packet which would have contained the bio that all authors write and edit because they their own bios so it was not a fact checking error at all.