President Obama is addressing the nation on gun violence right now and let loose with this whopper:

Not true, Mr. President:

https://twitter.com/JGreenDC/status/684422967347032064

Good luck with that.

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Tags: gunsObama
  • Orwellian_Dilemma

    Obama has to lie, since no one would back this power grab if he told the truth.

    • Akiva

      Armslist. It took 30 seconds to make this article look stupid.

      • Orwellian_Dilemma

        No. They can’t. They can ship it to a licensed dealer near you–who then does a background check., But don’t let truth get in the way of your attacks on the Constitution.

        • Suzanne Panneta

          Actually, if in the same state a private seller can ship directly to you. If you don’t like that, you can complain to the ATF, tell them, “I have too many gun rights, please take some of them away.”

          • Orwellian_Dilemma

            You can never ship a handgun. When you ship a long gun, it requires extensive registration of the gun, the buyer, and the seller. No criminal is going to do that.

            But please, do tell us about the case where someone was killed with a long gun that was legally shipped as the result of someone mailing the gun in state.

            It’s always good to know the fascists in our midst as they make comments cheering on the wholesale violation of constitutional and human rights.

          • Suzanne Panneta

            “You can never ship a handgun. When you ship a long gun, it requires extensive registration of the gun, the buyer, and the seller.”
            Wrong, and wrong again. The ATF says you can ship (not mail) a handgun in-state, here’s what it says for a non-licensee shipping in-state: “A common or contract carrier must be used to ship a handgun.”
            There is no “extensive registration” required to mail a long gun. Per the USPS, reagrding non-licensees: “Subject to state, territory, or district regulations, rifles and shotguns may be mailed without restriction when sent within the same state of mailing.”, but the USPS requires it be sent by Priority Mail Express or Registered Mail.
            I think these are great rights to have, and try to educate folks so they can use them intelligently. You, on the other hand, spread false information and try to put roadblocks n their way.

        • Suzanne Panneta

          How about checking the facts before you try to scare people away from exercising their gun rights. Because if you don’t use these rights you’ll lose ’em.
          Per the ATF website:
          “A nonlicensee may mail a shotgun or rifle to a resident of his or her own State or to a licensee in any State. The Postal Service recommends that long guns be sent by registered mail and that no marking of any kind which would indicate the nature of the contents be placed on the outside of any parcel containing firearms.”
          “A common or contract carrier must be used (by a nonlicensee) to ship a handgun.”

          • Orwellian_Dilemma

            Yes, moron. And you have to fill out lengthy forms identifying the buyer, the seller, and registering the gun. Much more onerous than sending it through a licensed dealer. Thus, only very clean buyers and sellers use this method. Literally, the exact opposite of what you and Dear Leader have claimed happened.

            Now run along. Those crosses won’t just burn themselves.

      • Orwellian_Dilemma

        Here’s the law that says you can’t, Sport. Sound out any hard words or have an adult explain them.

        18 U.S.C. §922(a)(2)(A), §922( e)

        See also 27 CFR 178.31.

        • Roland Mack

          The statement was 100% true. We are talking about criminals. Not those that follow the law.

          • Orwellian_Dilemma

            Obama claimed he was closing a legal loophole. He didn’t. He lied. Just as “Akiva” above lied.

          • ScrubbingBubble

            Are you out of your mind? First of all, When you buy a gun online, the place you purchased from (Academy, Bud’s Gunbroker, Slickguns, etc) will only ship to a federally licensed firearms dealer, usually somewhere close to the buyer and only after swapping and verifying FFL info. Then, the buyer goes to the place his firearm was shipped, fills out a 4473 form and goes through the NICS background check. Only then can a person who purchased a gun online pick it up and only if he passes the background check. You can’t buy them on eBay or Craigslist or anywhere else you probably think you can. His statement is a 100% lie. If you’d like to try it, feel free. Come back and let everyone know how unsuccessful you were. As for your statement about criminals, when you break the law, that’s typically what you become. A criminal. Anyone getting a firearm online with no background check or transfer to a proper FFL would be a criminal for that very act in itself and so would any company that knowingly shipped a firearm to anyone other than a federally licensed dealer. If you don’t know how federal firearms laws work, then you need to stay quiet.

          • Roland Mack

            Which makes the statement true, correct?

            What part of the sentence, “VIOLENT FELONS CAN BUY GUNS ONLINE.” is beyond the reading comprehension of some members on this site?

          • ScrubbingBubble

            From who? Who would ship a violent felon a gun? What company is going to risk their business livelihood, their reputation or their federal license to ship a gun to ANYONE other than an FFL directly? No one that’s who. You aren’t getting it. These gun companies and stores don’t blindly ship firearms to people. Violent felon, grandmother, little brother, it doesn’t matter because the transfer hasn’t happened. Sure a violent felon can purchase something online like anyone else, but the first thing firearms sites do is ask for valid FFL info (another gun shop to ship the firearm to that performs the transfer.) The legal duty to perform the background check is then placed onto the location the firearm is shipping to which is also an FFL. So if a violent felon buys a gun at Buds, it still has to go to an FFL (gun store or dealer) which is required to perform a NICS check by federal law. If it’s a violent felon buying a gun that’s as far as it goes. He will fail the background check and by law, he can’t take possession of it. That means the gun shop or dealer can’t and won’t transfer the weapon to them. Again, you have no concept so please, stay quiet.

            Now if you are suggesting that criminals can sell criminals guns online, sure they can, just like you can sell drugs online via email, or conspire to commit a murder. Unless you want to give up your right to privacy in what you type to others in an email message, there’s no way to combat that, short of taking down the internet. You’d probably squash that 1st amendment out as well if you could.

          • Go_Down_Moses

            NM

          • eztalk ♀ENTP – The Visionary

            Have a family member that is also a felon, but the laws of our State says he can purchase a gun if the felony happened over 10 years ago and if he is no longer on probation status.
            Maybe you are in the same situation?

          • Ron Green

            If this statement is true….I hope you get caught.

          • Brian Hartman

            Apparently, violent felons can’t buy guns online any easier than they can buy them offline.

          • Andre

            Please explain to all us simple minded folks how a law governs the actions of a criminal?

          • EvanF

            Okay, I will. Right now a criminal who get’s denied a gun purchase because of a background check has to find a private seller. Right now criminals can go to armslist.com to find a private seller to meet up with and give cash for the gun. If this no longer allowed that is the second obstacle. Now the criminal is stuck with the only options of a black market gun salesmen or a straw purchase. Removing the ability for the criminal to just buy one off the internet is a big obstacle. That’s how a law governs the actions of a criminal.

          • greaburns

            TERMS OF USE
            I am 18 years of age or older.
            I understand that ARMSLIST DOES NOT become involved in transactions between parties and does not certify, investigate, or in any way guarantee the legal capacity of any party to transact.
            I am responsible for obeying all applicable enforcement mechanisms, including, but not limited to federal, state, municipal, and tribal statutes, rules, regulations, ordinances, and judicial decisions, any applicable Presidential Executive Orders, including compliance with all applicable licensing requirements.
            I will not use Armslist.com for any illegal purpose.

          • Orwellian_Dilemma

            So, you support violations of both the First and Second Amendments in order to fix a non-existent problem. Good to know.

            You know, if we banned pockets, we could stop shoplifting.

            If we banned car trunks, we could stop the possibility of someone hiding a bomb in their trunk.

            Wow. We could stop all kinds of bad things if we take away everyone’s rights!

          • ScrubbingBubble

            I think you are confused about buying versus possession. You can be a criminal right now and go make a purchase at Gunbroker for example. You’d be a fool but you could do it! Now, sure you bought a gun just like you bought a new set of headphones but for the gun company to ship it, means it has to go to a valid FFL (that retains the 4473 and performs the NICS background check.) So while anyone can buy (as in initially purchase) a gun online, you can’t take possession of it until you fill out a 4473 form and go through the NICS background check. Most criminals know they are criminals and wouldn’t even attempt to buy a gun online because they know once they go in to do the background check and paperwork at the place their firearm shipped to, they are going to fail and have to somehow get a refund on a weapon they aren’t allowed to take home. Some online retailers will even charge you a penalty/restocking fee for returning a weapon you had shipped that you couldn’t pass a background check to own. Again, stay quiet if you don’t know what you’re talking about, which you don’t. Some of us on this thread are federally licensed manufacturers and deal with this every day.

          • Orwellian_Dilemma

            Saying someone can break the law is not the same as saying that it’s legal. In fact, it’s something quite the opposite.

            Your Dear Leader said that buying guns online was legal. That was a lie.

          • Otis57

            Roland, here’s your sign. (from Foxworthy) From your observation, I suppose it goes like this: If you are not a violent felon, it is permissible to buy from an online merchant who will then send the firearm to a licenced and registered FFL dealer who will then make sure the purchase is on the up and up and a background check is completed.
            If, however, you are a criminal, the purchase is still made online, only the merchant sends the gun directly to your house due to the illegality of the transaction. Is that about right?
            Y’know, Roland, life is hard. It’s even harder if you’re stupid. That leads me to believe you are having a really tough go of it these days.

          • Ashram13

            Exactly.

            Any online retailer who will ship directly to the buyer is already breaking the law even before Obama’s executive orders.

            It’s also been, and continues to be, illegal to utilize shipping services to ship guns to anyone other than an FFL. Also, the service may refuse to knowingly ship the parcel and may even inform law enforcement about it.

            One may, of course, lie to the shipping service about what is being shipped, but that doesn’t make shipping a gun directly to the buyer any less illegal.

            What Obama is proposing won’t stop anything that’s already being done by lawbreakers.

            All it will do is infringe upon those whom have not made breaking the law a personal vocation, making it harder for innocent citizens to engage in what is supposed to be a constitutionally recognized civil right.

            It’s generally accepted that tackling the wrong sources solves no problems. Such folly can even make some problems worse, such as making it harder for law abiding people to obtain and use firearms for perfectly legal reasons, including self defense.

            Now, with regard to self defense, there will be those who glibly say that one ought to call the police, but the cops do not instantly arrive as if by magic. It takes time for them to respond to a call, so you’re on your own between calling for their help and their arrival. I don’t know about others, but I’d rather not be unarmed and helpless in the interim.

          • 97E

            Here’s Your Sign is Ron White ,not Jeff Foxworthy.

          • Otis57

            Actually, both of us were errant in our response. It was Bill Engvall. Oops.

          • Sonus

            VIOLENT CRIMINALS CAN BUY GUNS ONLINE THROUGH NEWSPAPER CLASSIFIED ADS.

          • EvanF

            This is true if they are a gun seller. Private sellers don’t have to follow the FFL rules. For instance you can sell a gun to your dad without a background check because its a private sale. Places like Armslist.com connect private sellers and essentially becomes an easy way for criminals to buy guns outside of dealerships and without background checks. If you don’t believe me go buy one right now, try it.

          • greaburns

            You should go try it and report back.

          • LadyPieta

            Thank you !!! OMG!! Obviously these people have NEVER gone through the process of buying a gun!! I’m going back to banging my head on the table – it’s less painful than hearing this explained over and over!!!

          • EvanF

            The criminals are buying them through legal channels, thats what the background checks are for…

          • Lizzyp

            I don’t recall Dems being so intent on shutting down the remote possibility of criminal activity when it comes to voter id. According to them, voter fraud is a complete myth, and not even worthy of discussion because the only possible reason to enact any sort of voter id law is racist and clearly only intended to suppress votes.

          • Go_Down_Moses

            Thank you, Roland Mack, for pointing out the obvious, that Obama was right.

        • Alex ZMan
          • Orwellian_Dilemma

            They lied. Or they’re stupid. I showed you the law. You showed me an editorial by people who (like you) hate the Constitution.

          • Alex ZMan

            Interesting how you turn a dialogue into a personal attack. You assume too much. I happened to be pro 2nd Amendment and personal gun ownership. Being pro personal protections guaranteed by the constitution doesn’t mean not making sure background checks aren’t done. Obama may be skewing the truth in this case, but the fact is you can buy guns from private individuals using the internet without a background check. (In some states.)

          • Orwellian_Dilemma

            When people like you support wholesale stripping away of personal liberties (the likes of which haven’t been seen since Jim Crow) yeah, I get a little testy.

            You can do lots of illegal things in every state. The answer to people committing crimes is not to punish those who follow the law–nor is the answer to eviscerate the Constitution.

            So basically, with these new laws that Obama has dictated, a father cannot hand his shotgun to his 12 year-old son to teach him to shoot. A woman becomes a felon when her husband dies in his sleep.

            There is no purpose to these laws other than to put so many good people in prison, the rest will fear owning a gun.

          • Ron Green

            They are not new laws; and could be constitutionally wrong.

          • Orwellian_Dilemma

            They’re new laws, and yes, they’re unconstitutional. But Democrats don’t give a whit about the Constitution. But they’ll get their sock puppet judges to rule that the President can write new legislation on his own just like he does with everything else.

          • Ron Green

            Agreed on your point, but Congress writes new laws; not the executive branch.

          • Orwellian_Dilemma

            That’s my point. Obama is illegally taking on Article I powers he’s not allowed. He wrote brand new laws. But just because they’re patently illegal doesn’t mean they don’t exist.

          • Orwellian_Dilemma

            By the way, since you support the president unilaterally rescinding the 2nd Amendment, what other amendments do you support him unilaterally rescinding? The First? The Fourth? Please share.

          • Alex ZMan

            Again take of the blinders. Read what I said and not what you think I said. Obama is the worst president since Jimmy Carter and I do not support at all. I don’t agree with his “Executive Actions.” This is an issue that has to be addressed in Congress and not by the Demagog. Saying that I still think that gun ownership should be protected but the purchasers should be vetted. People with psychological problems should not be allowed to purchase weapons.

          • Orwellian_Dilemma

            Here’s the thing: purchasers are vetted. All this garbage about there being some huge gray market in guns is untrue.

            There is nothing in these new laws dictated by Dear Leader that will improve the vetting. It will, however, create endless headaches and bureaucratic hassles for law-abiding citizens. For example, my father has a deer rifle that he wants to give me since it’s the one I shot as a boy. He’s known me my whole life. Now, we’re faced with $500-$750 and six months to a year for him to transfer to me a gun that is worth, at most, $300, that I’ve shot since I was ten. But now, if I merely want to shoot the gun, I have two choices: (a) spend more than the gun is worth and waste more than half a year; (2) commit a felony dictated by Dear Leader. Similarly, if I go to the gun range with my buddy–the same buddy that I took a concealed handgun class with a couple months ago, I can’t let him shoot one of my guns at the range, since handing it to him is a “transfer” under the new law–despite the fact that I was with him last weekend and saw him be cleared by a gun dealer when he bought a new pistol. The real fun one is going to be when someone wants to take a gun to a gun smith for repair, then has to spend $500-$750 for a background check and 6 months to a year to get a background check on the gun smith to make a $25 repair. Of course, there will be the young mother, home with her two young children, when an intruder enters the house–but she’s prohibited from touching the guns her husband owns because liberals put her to the choice of being raped and murdered or serving 25 years in the penitentiary.

            But hey, I’m sure that bad guys and loonies can’t figure a way around these common sense measures.

          • Alex ZMan

            All valid points, and I agree with you. In many ways it is much harder as a law abiding citizen to own a gun than to do it illegally. Would you rather that there were no background checks at all? What would be a good system in your opinion?

          • Orwellian_Dilemma

            Background checks are a total waste of time. All it does is make it difficult for law-abiding people to obtain fire arms, while those who are already prohibited, simply buy from the back of a car. I’m not trying to be obnoxious with that, but background checks are a significant infringement of Constitutional rights with no return on investment.

            Frankly, a better system would be if there were no background checks, no requirements for licenses to carry, no restrictions other than, perhaps, not selling guns to those under 18.

            That said, to keep the peace with liberals, leaving the background check as it was before Dear Leader unilaterally changed the law is a nice compromise. It allows liberals to participate in gross infringements of human and constitutional rights (which they like) combined with citizens ultimately being able to exercise those rights (though they’ve been abridged).

          • Jan

            There are thousands of people with psychological problems who are not on record or an anyone’s radar as having psychological problems. The all can still legally buy guns and then go out and kill people with those guns. So even having laws against people with mental problems will not stop any gun violence and when that happens, the anti gun crowd will demand even more and stricter laws against private gun ownership. And the beat goes on, until the gun control laws are so restrictive that no one will be able to purchase a gun and then they will have effectively ended all private gun ownership, which has been their true goal all along. When that happens, we will all be prime targets for the millions of criminal immigrants they are bringing into the country. The best way to cut down on the “gun violence” is mandatory 15 year sentences for anyone using a gun to commit a crime and to strictly enforce all of the hundreds of gun controls we already have on the books. BTW, I am sooooo tired of all the hysteria about “gun violence.” Why is “gun violence” any worse than knife violence or bomb violence or baseball bat violence or hatchet violence or strangulation violence or any other kind of violence? It isn’t. But they want the populace to believe that it is because they don’t really care about the violence; they just want to get them all scared enough so they can eventually throw out the 2nd Amendment.

        • EvanF

          U.S.C. §922 is only true for those in the business of selling guns. However private sales don’t require a license. These websites like Armslist.com are just ways to connect you to other private sellers. So essentially it becomes a marketplace of private sellers, cash for gun. You can buy one right now without a background check, Try it.

          • Ashram13

            And is there anything wrong with that?

            Here’s the deal, FFLs must impose a background check to transfer possession to a customer because that’s a condition to have the license, and the purpose is for the government to make its case to deny the sale rather than providing permission for the sale to proceed.

            The reason why private sales, including those arranged through Armslist (which is not the same thing as actually buying a gun from an online retailer), are not covered under the law is because a private exchange cannot be interfered with unless the authorities have, at least, good probable cause to believe that such an exchange constitutes a crime in progress.

            Considering that people are presumed innocent, that guns are legal goods, and that a mutually agreed upon exchange of legal goods between innocent citizens is not considered unlawful behavior…

          • Orwellian_Dilemma

            Holy crap, moron. If you can’t ship the gun, you can’t sell it to people over the internet unless you plan for the gun to f-ing get up and walk to the buyer’s house. And if the buyer goes to pick it up, it’s now a face to face purchase.

            Obama lied. Fascists like you support him.

          • Suzanne Panneta

            Actually, if the seller and purchaser reside in the same state, in many cases the firearm CAN be shipped. There’s no federal prohibition, t would depend if there are local regs.

          • Orwellian_Dilemma

            Total federal prohibition on shipping pistols, and the registration requirements for shipping a long gun keep these imaginary “traffickers” Dear Leader is trying to stop from doing so.

            There is no rational argument to be made that these executive orders are anything but an attempt to make gun ownership so prohibitively onerous and expensive that people will stop trying.

            Liberals don’t want gun deaths to go down. They want them sky high. (Look at the murder rates in places where liberals control vs. places with high gun ownership.) What they want, is for the bad guys and the crazies to keep their guns and the law abiding citizen to give up hers.

      • Benicia Armory

        Just because you found Armslist means nothing. An FFL is STILL required to complete a purchase! Yes, from Armslist, from GunBroker, etc. Read the laws. Read the rules. No one selling a gun from one of these places is going to just send it to someone without having an FFL to send it to. No one wants to go to jail to to make a few bucks! No one wants a knock on the door from the feds for selling a firearm illegally! Buying online, isn’t the same as ordering online. You still must follow the laws, and receive an FFL before sending off the gun. And then, it must be sent to the holder of the FFL, who usually is NOT the buyer. The FFL holder will then do the background check, as per federal law prior to releasing the firearm. Any firearm!

        • Roland Mack

          Incorrect.. How do you think street drugs get sold online? By meeting FFL requirements?

          • Benicia Armory

            Street drugs are the same as street guns…. found on the STREET! They will always be available on the STREET! From felons. Oh, sure, you can find a few places that appear online selling drugs, but they are few and far between. MOST people selling guns are attempting to do so legally. MOST people selling drugs are attempting to do so ILLEGALLY. THEY are attempting to avoid the law. Are they a few gun sellers attempting to skirt the law? Of course, but you can find that with almost any product. Your comparison is poor at best.

          • Katrina Drumpf

            “Are they a few gun sellers attempting to skirt the law? Of course,”

            So I guess that makes what the president said true.

            “A violent felon can buy the exact same weapon over the internet with no background check, no questions asked.”

          • http://truthbeforedishonor.wordpress.com John Hitchcock

            A violent felon can go online and hire a hit-man. We need an anti-hit-man Executive Order that will curtail Law Abiding Citizens’ Constitutional Rights.

            Idiot. Obama is a flat-out liar, as are all of his boot-lickers.

          • Brian Hartman

            Please elaborate on your theory that making another law is going to keep people from doing something illegal. It’s *already* illegal. How is passing another law going to help?

            “I really, really mean it this time! For serious, you guys!”

          • Benicia Armory

            Oh please…. there is not ONE documented case of this happening is there? MOST felons buy their guns on the black market, just like they buy their drugs. Just because something is possible, doesn’t mean it happens. And even IF it happens in an ever-so-rare case, is not a reason to have an executive order to ban it. It is another FEEL GOOD law that does nothing. Other than to inspire MORE people to go out and buy guns. One thing is clear, I, nor anybody else will ever change your mind using logic or facts. You are one that I am sure prefers comfortable slavery to dangerous freedom. Our minds will never meet. For you, I am sure there is no middle ground. For me, an other gun owners, our middle ground is gone, and we have been pushed far to the left of middle.

          • Devin Zieres

            This comment is really ignorant… the Black market is huge online. It is very easy and very common to buy ANYTHING black market online…without having it traced. I Have not done it, nor would I, but the fact that i havent and have no need to and I STILL know exactly how says alot..just think about the people who have those intentions… I could have pound of coke and an assault riffle delivered to my house without issue, anytime.

            just hop on the dark web and make sure you are going in encrypted.. boom. there are TONS of sites you can access, but have to be encrypted for. Do you have any idea how long it took the feds to take down silk road, and it was back up within days, and its still up. And there are tons of sites even more secretive than this. you just have to know what you are looking for….I’m not trying to attack you, btw..I’m just saying you are very wrong…look closer into what you are saying.

          • Ed

            Benicia:
            So you don’t think there are sellers who would just send the gun to your address and bank your money. Sure, it’s a crime to do that, but who’s watching? Criminals don’t follow the law!

          • Ron Green

            Dumb Ass,,Know your facts first before trolling.

          • Roland Mack

            Nope, not trolling, just pointing out the FACTS that you seem to be ignorant to. The statement made was that “VIOLENT CRIMINALS” can purchase almost any weapon “NO QUESTIONS ASKED”. This is true.

            The deep web (which is considered “online”) has many offerings for those so inclined, and is used much more than you might think.
            Most law abiding citizens will not be aware of such things, but being in IT Security, I am forced to be “in the know”.

            And, I am not talking about sites like Armslist, which claim to operate within the psuedo-boundaries of the law.
            Please, don’t lose any sleep over the harsh truth.

          • Ron Green

            Ever bought anything on Gunbroker? Then you will know the ignorance of your comment.

        • EvanF

          Not true, they don’t have to follow those laws because its a private purchase not a licensed sale. They just meet in person and exchange cash for gun, try it you can buy one right now. Armslist.com

        • Suzanne Panneta

          FFL is NOT required for a private purchase brokered through Armslist if the the buyer and seller live in the same state. And in many cases the firearm may be shipped to the in-state buyer. The US Postal will even do it legally for long guns.

          • Benicia Armory

            There are exceptions to everything. For the post office to ship a gun legally, it needs to be shipped to a dealer. That is, to do it legally. No amount of laws on the books or added to the books will change those that want to do it illegally. There is a THRIVING black market for guns in Australia, where there is an almost total ban on firearms. Guns there are almost as easy, if not easier to get than drugs.

      • ScrubbingBubble

        Try buying one! Wait for them to tell you to have your FFL (gun shop) send their FFL over for verification. Nice try but you’re dreaming. Anyone who shipped a firearm to an unlicensed individual would be breaking federal law themselves and companies don’t do that.

      • Ashram13

        Nice try, but In your 30 second rush to make this article “look stupid,” you reveal your own ignorance.

        Armslist only facilitates contact between the seller and the buyer. The seller and the buyer must still meet face to face to conduct any exchange. That is not fundamentally different to, say, answering an ad in a newspaper classified and getting together to conduct an exchange that way.

        What that means is that the transaction does not actually occur online.

        LOGIC FAIL

    • zipity

      He’s never been called to account for lying before, why would he care now…?

    • keepyourpower

      He has to lie, because he is compelled to lie. He is a narcissist. They lie so much they actually think they are telling the truth. He is mentally ill!

      • Sylvia

        He sure is.

    • Apryl Dionne

      BLACK MARKET OPERATES ONLINE– NEEDS NO BACKGROUND CHECK AND HAS VIOLENT CRIMINALS AS CLIENTS.

      • Meat Eater

        Proof please

      • Orwellian_Dilemma

        And Obama’s patently illegal executive orders will alter that situation how, exactly?

    • 5Cats

      Lies are all they have, that and fear.
      And tears, apparently: salty, fake, crocodile tears!

  • FreedomFighter

    There will be no fact checking.

    • Pilgrim22

      Nope they’ll be quoted him on the morning shows tomorrow like he made some great and profound statements that will enlighten us hateful conservatives. I mean according to him and the MSM, near 100% of the nation wants him to take action.

      • thale_taxurfeet ♂ Vilified

        “according to him and the MSM, near 100% of the nation wants him to take action.”

        And that poll is Settle Science!

        • soxfan4evah

          It’s under that secret if Congress doesn’t act then the Executive has carte blanche clause of the Constitution that only he knows about.

          • thale_taxurfeet ♂ Vilified

            Sumbeotch is trying his best to burn down the house is he not?

          • http://truthbeforedishonor.wordpress.com John Hitchcock

            He knows what he did was unconstitutional. He doesn’t care.

            He knows this online purchase thing he said was a flat-out lie. He doesn’t care.

            I went online to find the place to buy my 3 hand-cannons. I then had to phone the order in with my 2-person LLC, and I was told there would be a background check on the person who came and picked them up. The background check happened, even though the order was not placed at a brick and mortar location. They were picked up at that brick and mortar location.

          • Akiva

            It took me less than a minute to find firearms I could purchase w/out a background check online, some of them within walking distance of my house.

            Anyone who believes this article is too stupid to know how to use Google.

          • jschlue2

            You purchase the gun online and it’s shipped to a licensed gun dealer where the background check is done. That’s exactly what happened when my son bought a gun a couple of years ago. Try seeing the purchase through to completion before you spout your foolishness. Now who’s a mouth breather?

          • Akiva

            Considering all the ones I’m looking at are from private sellers and not dealers, I guess it’s you.

            But I suppose if I find the item online, arrange for the sale online, and pay for it with paypal, its not an Internet purchase if I have to pick it up 5 miles away sans background check.

            That’s what you’re going with? Really?

          • jschlue2

            Do you know how many of the recent mass shooters bought their guns online in such a manner? ZERO

          • Orwellian_Dilemma

            Moron. Unless the gun plans to walk to your house, it can’t be shipped to you. If you have to go and buy it person to person, then you didn’t buy it online.

            18 U.S.C. §922(a)(2)(A), §922( e)

            See also 27 CFR 178.31

          • Orwellian_Dilemma

            Nope. You didn’t. Here are the statutes and the CFR proving you’re a liar.

            18 U.S.C. §922(a)(2)(A), §922( e)

            See also 27 CFR 178.31

          • snakebit

            “It took me less than a minute to find firearms I could purchase w/out a background check online, some of them within walking distance of my house.”

            Yes, and such sales are subject to every single law that governs private sales of firearms in your state and under Federal law. There’s nothing different about what you describe as an “online sale” and any other private sale that occurs in your state. The listing on the internet is nothing more than an advertisement, just as if the seller placed a classified ad in your local newspaper. The gun-grabbers count on the ignorance of people like yourself who believe the laws governing “online” sales are somehow different from the same sale by any other means. Same for the so-called “gun show loophole.” No such loophole exists anywhere in the United States. All state and Federal laws apply to FFL dealer sales or private sales whether they occur face-to-face in your kitchen, in an alley, at a gun show or online. Same. Exact. Laws. What you are opposed to is transactions between private citizens.

    • Mort Leith

      If they used the old libT ard-funded SNOPES it would say “mostly TRUE”.
      What a joke SNOPES was when people USED to use it.

    • setnaffa

      fact-checking Barry would be raycis…

    • Upper Dave

      It’s not technically a lie. Every word he said was true. It just might have been clearer if he’d said “illegally buy”, because you can on the dark web.

    • Rotary Knight

      why would there be a need for fact checking when what he said about people buying guns online is ACTUALLY RIGHT, atleast with long guns.

      You can buy a long gun from another person who lives WITHIN your state. That person can legally ship you the long gun with no repercussion.

      How the these dumb gun nuts dont even know the gun laws….FYI I am a gun enthusiast.

  • Gloves M. Donahue

    He’s lied before.
    Libs lap it up.

    • journogal

      They happily lap it up.

      • Comrade Hadenov

        Eeeeewww! But you’re right.

      • Girl who talks with her claws

        From both ends.

      • Penny✓ItsSoFluffy! #GoBolts!

        Slurp, too, upon request.

    • S Boles

      Libs call his lies “Workplace entertainment”, in lieu of “violence”.

  • Brown Bear Mike

    Of course “Obama just lied.”

    His lips moved, didn’t they?

    • thale_taxurfeet ♂ Vilified

      Mike speaks for me on this one.

      If the lips are swinging
      the $h!t is slinging…

      • Brown Bear Mike

        I LIKE IT … I LIKE IT!

        • thale_taxurfeet ♂ Vilified

          /* The old Taxurfeets tips his hat to Mike */

    • James

      Racist!

      Oh wait…

      Damn!

  • Farfel_1776

    And what’s being done (as opposed to merely said) about this in the House and Senate? So far I see zippo,

    • http://truthbeforedishonor.wordpress.com John Hitchcock

      One Republican Congressman said the EO was so underwhelming, that there might not even be a lawsuit. That’s what some Republicans in Congress are DOING, while at the same time, declaring it a power-grab (and it is, unconstitutional power-grab).

  • journogal

    Of course he lied. It’s not like the MSM will fact-check this, and he knows the sheeple won’t every do any independent on their own. He has it made. A compliant media and dumb-down followers who think he and Democrats actually care about them.

    • Carolyn#OYSD

      It’s not like the MSM will fact-check this

      As a point of fact, he counts on it.

    • Doc Farmer✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ ᵈᵉᵖˡᵒʳᵃᵇˡᵉ

      Ah, but here’s the BEST part!

      Obama can lie. The MSM won’t fact check.

      AND IT DOESN’T MATTER!

      Because even if they did, even if it were blindingly obvious to even the most ardent Obama Supporter, OBAMA WILL STILL GET AWAY WITH IT!

      No Consequences.

      That’ll be the epitaph of Obama’s tenure in office.

  • Stephen

    Shutdown the interwebs…

  • unknown

    But remember, it’s the Republicans that fear-monger

  • CoastalMaineBird

    So, why didn’t he give out the URL?
    I’m asking for a friend…

  • Comrade Hadenov

    Tell me where I can do that, Dear Leader. The transfer fees at the Federal firearms dealers I have to ship my purchase to take up a lot of the $$ advantage to buying online as opposed to going to, say, Cabela’s.

  • rainman

    Exactly what I yelled at my TV when I heard him say this. Also asked why the guy in China, forced to use a knife in his killing spree, didn’t just order a gun from that “website.”

    I’ve been cooped up for a while, so I’m yelling at my TV. : (

    • Maxx

      I didn’t watch the charades because I knew it would put me in such a foul mood and the rest of my day would be ruined. This is what it’s become down to…avoiding my own Commander in Chief because he and his executive pen are systematically shi**ing all over the Constitution and Bill of Rights while 50% of the electorate sit on their arses and do nothing but clap like trained seals.

      And so today, we learn that his pen will make his wet dream come to life as he attempts to force the American citizen, who wants to sell a firearm to a friend, to register as a “dealer” and ultimately, the seeds for a national registry progressives have masturbated to for decades have been planted.

      Gotta stop typing…I’m getting angry now.

      • Karla1953

        I had it on as I am cleaning but when he started to BooHoo it went on mute……………..Oy

  • Please, god help us!

    So that’s where ISIS gets their weapons. Now it’s so clear.

  • http://youhavetobethistalltogoonthisride.blogspot.com/ keyboard jockey

    Gun salesman of the year says what?

  • wintermute

    So, I put the odds for the “Fact Checkers” at: 50% “Mostly True” and 50% “No Rating”.

    There won’t be Pinocchios.

    • Frustrated Teacher

      They will find ONE instance of it happening and call his lie ‘mostly true’…just watch Politi’fact’ on this one…

  • Comrade Hadenov

    Hell, let’s just form a drug cartel and Dear Leader will give us the guns! Screw this internet stuff.

  • Girl who talks with her claws

    Accidentally caught a couple moments of His Highness’ gun sermon (he interrupted Young & Restless, dammit!). He actually squeezed out a tear at the end. Seriously?
    The man who is just peachy with executing babies in utero, finishing off babies who accidentally live through abortions, and killing people through drone strikes like a coward, has the audacity to pull the “for the children” line & pretend to have any kind of emotion or empathy.

    There is no curse word that completely covers this kind of jackassery.

    • unknown

      He sure “cared” about the children that were in that Doctors Without Borders hospital bombing.

      • Suzyqpie

        Notice how that story has disappeared….10/3/15 Kunduz,,Afganistan.

    • Comrade Hadenov

      “The state must declare the child to be the most precious treasure of
      the people. As long as the government is perceived as working for the
      benefit of the children, the people will happily endure almost any
      curtailment of liberty and almost any deprivation.”


      Adolf Hitler,

      Mein Kampf

      • Suzyqpie

        The children are the human shields that Democrats use to grow government. Greater grow is available when said children are poor and/or hungry.

    • Kenton Clarkson

      Don’t forget “God bless Planned Parenthood”
      I will bet he had to practice saying “God” instead of “I” on that one

    • Don Reed

      “Barack Obama breaks down in tears as he unveils plan to cut gun violence…

      “President wiped tears from his cheeks as he accused the gun lobby of taking Congress hostage ” (UK Telegraph headline)

      ISIS propaganda video highlight. “Here’s the wimp we’re up against.”

      I hear he’s been leaving hankies all over the golf courses of America. That is one Sympathizer-In-Chief, evidently.

  • dankbubba

    Leftist dogma is created and is impossible to refute. Facts mean nothing. Debate is THEY say (repeat repeat repeat …) and we eventually give up. People on the left parade their “known” talking points and nobody will, or is allowed to, contradict.

  • The Bear

    It’s official. Proud member of the NRA after this morning’s political theater.

  • Eric D. Mertz #NeverTrump
  • Crakalakin

    I know a couple who bought two guns online and had to have a Federal Firearms License to do it because it was an interstate purchase.

    • Warden

      All legal online gun purchases require FFL.

      • Crakalakin

        I thought so but was not sure. Thanks.

      • Suzanne Panneta

        “All online require a FFL” WRONG! Any purchase (online or not) between same state buyer and seller doesn’t require FFL involvement, no background check, and in most states the non-dealer seller can ship your AR-15 to your door via USPS.

        • Warden

          Well aren’t you just a special kind of moron. Any LEGAL gun purchase online requires the gun to be sent to a dealer with a FFL and you have to go to the dealer, file paperwork for a background check BEFORE getting the gun. You didn’t even describe the same thing and NO you can’t “just ship an AR15” to someone’s door.

          How long have you been drinking from the idiot cesspool?

          • Suzanne Panneta

            LOL, so the name calling starts. Past your meds time?Making up your own rules? Where do you live, Kazakhstan? Say hello to Borat for me! Because in the USA where I live, I prefer to go by what the ATF says, which is that a nonlicensee (that means someone who is NOT a FFL dealer) can ship to another nonlicensee in the same state. Online or not doesn’t matter, it’s a private transaction that doesn’t require a background check. And since you don’t seem to realize that an AR-15 is classified as a RIFLE, both the ATF and the post office says it can be shipped in-state without restrictions (other than state/local restrictions, if any).

            From the ATF website:
            Q-“May a nonlicensee ship a firearm through the U.S. Postal Service?”
            A-“A nonlicensee may mail a shotgun or rifle to a resident of his or her own State or to a licensee in any State. The Postal Service recommends that long guns be sent by registered mail and that no marking of any kind which would indicate the nature of the contents be placed on the outside of any parcel containing firearms.”

            Q-“May a nonlicensee ship a firearm by common or contract carrier?”
            A-“A nonlicensee may ship a firearm by a common or contract carrier to a resident of his or her or her own State or to a licensee in any State. A common or contract carrier must be used to ship a handgun. ”

            From USPS.COM:
            “Subject to state, territory, or district regulations, rifles and shotguns may be mailed without restriction when sent within the same state of mailing.” Meaning if no state/local laws (much of the country) shipping a rifle or shotgun WITHIN YOUR STATE is fine without either of you being a dealer.

          • Warden

            Omg here we go again with the ATF copy paste. Are you seriously that dim that you can’t explain it yourself without copy/pasting? Look, idiot, I’ll call you whatever I want, it’s my right. If you’re offend, I DGAF.

            I was referring to buying a gun online from a “store”, NOT A PRIVATE PARTY. I’m not wasting more time on you, you can see the other reply I left you if you want more than this for a response.

            Sometimes I wonder if serving for people like you was actually worth it. Good thing there aren’t many.

          • Suzanne Panneta

            “I was referring to buying a gun online from a “store”, NOT A PRIVATE PARTY” Well that’s peachy, but not the topic under discussion is it?. And funny that after multiple posts saying that everything I said was wrong, when you realize that you CAN do what I said you change the topic
            And you take offense to pasting facts, says the man who offers no facts LOL!!!!!
            Finally, I’m truly sorry you regret your military service. I’d never say I regret mine.

          • Warden

            You’re such a waste of time. I feel bad for your family if they’re even still around you.

          • Suzanne Panneta

            I’ll share your concern with them, I’m sure they will be touched!

          • Suzanne Panneta

            “I was referring to buying a gun online from a “store”, NOT A PRIVATE PARTY.”
            Maybe you should have said that, and not:
            “All legal online gun purchases require FFL.”

            And I was pretty clear that I was talking about a private in-state online transaction, but you still said it was false.

          • Warden

            You have no life, that’s what it is….you’re alone, no one wants to be around you so you sit and force yourself on others all day long just for some attention. I would feel bad for you but you’re so disgustingly annoying, I don’t…. I’ve had enough or your complete idiocy. I know the laws, I know what can and can’t be done, I won’t sit and play BS semantics and I have MUCH better things to spend my time on than you. Kinda mad that I’ve given this much of actually. Oh well, you’ll never get it again.

          • Suzanne Panneta

            Wow, you’re really on a roll now!

    • Karla1953

      All online require a FFL and also a BC is done so President Stompydoesnotknowthelawfoot is clueless again

    • Suzanne Panneta

      You are correct – INTERSTATE (between different states) does require FFL involvement. INTRASTATE (same state) shipment between private parties does not. Amazing how difficult this concept is for many to understand.

  • spaceycakes

    why am I not surprised that this tallywacker-lover is so obsessed over ‘guns’?

  • The Masked Avatar

    Five days into 2016 and we already have the Lie of the Year.

    • Jerry Shelton

      Way to soon call that one. I have high confidence, he can tell a better one

  • The DUKE

    No doubt he had some kind of pathological lying disorder just like a lot of two bit dictators seem to have too.

  • Kenton Clarkson

    “Remember Jerry, it’s not a lie if you believe it” -George Costanza
    “Remember AmeriKKKa, it’s not a lie if obama says it” – obama

  • globalcrap

    Lying is an O Bogus specialty of this regime of traitors.

  • The DUKE

    Obama is trying to turn honest Americans into criminals right before our eyes.

    • globalcrap

      and saying criminal “Thugs” are honest people.

      • The DUKE

        Yep, exactly.

  • https://twitter.com/deseeded tombee

    What an asshole.

  • Bryan Ewbank

    I think he’s splitting hairs – anyone can *buy* a gun on the
    internet without a background check (however, not just anyone can
    *receive* that gun at the participating FFL, at which point the transaction is voided).

    • Petrucio14

      A purchase is not complete until the consumer receives the merchandise. But it all depends on what your definition of is is.

      • Suzanne Panneta

        My .308 was “received” when the mailman delivered to my door.All perfectly legal without a background check since I bought it online from someone about 300 miles away, but in the same state.

  • Kelly

    More Kabuki theater from Obama.

  • http://www.nleomf.org/officers/heroes-behind-the-badge/heroes-behind-badge-sacrifice-survival.html Meatzilla ✓ᴵᴿᴿᴱᴰᴱᴱᴹᴬᴾᴸᴼᴿᴬᴮᴸᴱ

    Barack Hussein Obama — blatantly LIED?!  No way!  Say it ain’t so!

  • Please, god help us!

    Why even bother with Fast and Furious when the cartels obviously just buy from craigslist. Stupid Holder.

  • Acuda4me ✓Please!

    “All gun owners are now on double-secret probation.”

  • The DUKE

    Obama’s version of justice and prison reform is just let the thugs go free and lock up law-abiding Americans in the empty jail cells.

    • Suzyqpie

      I believe that Hillary & all Democrats consider the Republicans public enemy #1.

      • globalcrap

        Because us Americans have morals, something they’re lacking.

      • The DUKE

        Yep, makes sense. That is who he is trying to turn into criminals here, that is just a fact.

  • ee1774

    My wish: On election night, Trump runs away with it………..
    Hoping that I fall asleep grinning………drifting off to the wailing of liberal lamentations…..

    • Don Reed

      That would be hilarious. For about the first 48 hours.

    • Suzyqpie

      Drifting off to the proclamation that X number of liberals are leaving the country….

      • Petrucio14

        They promise, but they never deliver.

  • Bill Collier

    the President is a scumbag communist pig.

    DEATH TO COMMUNISM, down with the Democrat Party, the party of slavery!

    • Suzyqpie

      Democrats have good intentions and they care. 50% (+/- 2%) of the population are motivated by those emotions.

  • The DUKE

    I wonder if they did make smart guns the law they would want a backdoor into them to shut them down.

  • Bill Collier

    IMPEACH THIS FRAUD or stop pretending to honor your oath of office!

    • Suzyqpie

      Impeachment requires 67 votes in the Senate. Never happen. I questions whether all the Rs would vote for impeachment.

  • Barack Hussein Sharpton

    PolitiHack rates Obama’s lie: “Totally True”.

  • ee1774

    Obama: “A violent felon can buy the exact same weapon over the internet with no background check, no questions asked.”

    Then why are there gun shops?
    Why pay for the overhead…the theft/fire/property insurance…the payroll…the employee(s) health insurance….??????
    If true, why aren’t all gun sales online???

    • Don Reed

      But it’s true! I just got me an Abrams tank (it’s in the driveway). Your should have seen the Amazon reviews, they were scintillating! Same day delivery and the first 1000 rounds of ammo FREE!

      • Suzyqpie

        Do you get any ginzu knives for free?

        • Don Reed

          No. Thanks to Barry Shortpants’s usual ineptitude, his “reforms” made the tanks immediately available to anyone for less than cost but the ginzu knives were melted down.

    • Onyx

      Are those rhetorical questions? If you want to make your living selling guns, you need to be licensed and jump through all those hoops. If you are a hobbyist, you don’t need to be licensed. Anyone can buy any gun from an unlicensed seller, and the unlicensed seller isn’t breaking any laws by not performing a background check or asking questions. Very curious what about his statement you think is even slightly misleading, let alone a lie.

      • Harold Patterson

        The part of no background checks on the Internet. Total lie. Don’t demonstrate your lack of knowledge here, do some research before opening your totally ignorant mouth. Dolt.

  • Karla1953
  • Zeke

    It’s bad that he makes this claim. It’s worse that he knows very well that it is not true.

    • Suzyqpie

      I doubt that Pres Obama has any knowledge about the factual authenticity. Someone wrote it and Obama got right up there and read it. He’s lazy, he admitted it, I doubt he does any independent research.

    • NRPax

      The media won’t look up from sucking him off long enough to point out that he’s wrong.

  • Please, god help us!

    Also, proposals to make a shipping FFL responsible for tracking and reporting firearms no longer in their inventories (after the legal title has been transferred to the purchaser) are misdirected, as the receiving FFL is in the best position to know if it receives its shipment. Just more silly crap.

  • tremayfreon cauldwell

    “A violent felon can buy the exact same weapon over the internet with no background check, no questions asked.”

    So that’s what became of “Fast & Furious”? obama-lynch moved it to online. You know, I was wondering about that…

  • https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzZoahQVVFe26Xbq-d4Ut7g Lord Fhalkyn

    Someone has never bought a gun online…..

  • Torcer

    That’s not the only thing he’s Lying about – he also claimed no one wants to take your guns.

    “Yes conservatives, we want to take away your guns…” March 24, 2012 Dailykos

    MSNBC’s Ed Schultz Talks Gun ‘Confiscation’ December 15 2012

    “Ban, seize semi-auto weapons” State Rep. Dan Muhlbauer, D-Manilla December 19, 2012

    “Turn in your guns” Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee (D-Texas) December 19, 2012,

    Mr. Cuomo, speaking on WGDJ-AM, said: “Confiscation could be an option.” December 20, 2012

    How to Ban Guns: A step by step, long term process December 21, 2012 Dailykos

    Let’s Repeal the Second Amendment Vanityfair Jan 3, 2013

    “If I could have gotten 51 votes in the Senate of the United States, for an outright ban, picking up [every gun]… Mr. and Mrs. America, turn ‘em all in.” Diane Feinstein on Gun Control “Turn ‘Em All In!” Published Jan 18, 2013

    Pro-gun advocates angry over N.J. lawmakers’ hot-mic comments – Democrats Loretta Weinberg, Sandra Cunningham and Linda Greenstein “We needed a bill that was going to confiscate, confiscate, confiscate” May 10, 2013 The Star-Ledger

    Common sense calls for repeal of Second Amendment
    Seattle Times April 30, 2014

    It’s Time to Repeal the 2nd Amendment May 30, 2014 San Jose inside

    “A couple of decades ago, Australia had a mass shooting similar to Columbine or Newtown. And Australia
    just said, well, that’s it — we’re not seeing that again. And
    basically imposed very severe, tough gun laws.” Obama June 10, 2014

    “Time is overdue to repeal the Second Amendment” December 28 2014 Wisconsin gazette

    “You say gun control doesn’t work? Fine. Let’s ban guns altogether” LA Times May 28, 2014

    Stop the insanity: Ban guns” January 7, 2015 Tallahassee Democrat

    “We know that other countries, in response to one mass shooting, have been able to craft laws that almost eliminate mass shootings. Friends of ours, allies of ours — Great Britain, Australia, countries like ours. So we know there are ways to prevent it.” Obama October 01, 2015

    “Effective Gun Control – A National Semi-Auto Ban” Monday Oct 05, 2015 Dailykos

    “In the Australian example, as I recall, that was a buyback program.”…..“I think it would be worth considering doing it on the national level” Hillary Clinton October 16 2015

    “A gun-free society” The Washington Post October 2015

    Thinking Beyond the Moment Talking Points Memo
    October 6, 2015

    “Yes, They Want to Take Your Guns Away” The Daily Beast November 2015

    The Second Amendment must go: We ban lawn darts. It’s time to ban guns December 4, 2015 Salon

    “End the Gun Epidemic in America” The New York Times December 5, 2015 [First Front Page Editorial In 95 Years]

    “We don’t need gun control. We need domestic disarmament” Huffingtonpost December 7,2015

    “declare these arms contraband and confiscate them” Rolling Stone December 9, 2015

    “It’s Time to Ban Guns. Yes, All of Them” New Republic December 10, 2015

    • surroundedbyidiots

      Thank you for this excellent post.

      • Torcer

        You’re welcome.

  • whateverdear

    *quickly goes online*

    *is suddenly very disappointed*

    Darn it.

    • MyrmidoNOT

      …they’re in the veggie aisle of the local grocer…

  • Sanchez

    Obama lied? Not a chance on your life!

    • whateverdear

      This shocks me. Fortunately I have the $2,500 in health insurance savings to help me through it.

  • setnaffa

    Maybe he means future felons like those with whom he associates?

  • bicentennialguy

    I can’t believe that living in the “Information Age” that people tell lies which can easily be debunked. Maybe 40 years ago when it wasn’t easily researched, but today? That fact alone illustrates the absolute hubris of this POS.

  • djm1992✓𝒢𝑒𝓃𝒹𝑒𝓇 𝒢𝒾𝒻𝓉𝑒𝒹 ☭⁻ᴴ⁸ᴿ

    Can’t wait to see all these new BATFE agents roaming the hood and making sure all the bangers have their FFLs and paperwork in order.

    Yeah, right. As if……

  • Paladin

    This is how the encroachment on the 2nd amendment is justified:
    “We must restrict rights on guns because those rights infringe on gun victims’ rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.”

  • RJLigier

    Obama………typical megalomaniacal batshitcrazy 2-3%er, no different than the 2-3%er sociopaths aka national socialists/communists/progressives of the 20th century………..

  • marcus tullius cicero

    …Obongo is doing his best to malign his enemies: White, Christian. Southerners, middle class, gun owners!
    —PS, Karla already commented, want to emphasize the Traitor-in-Chief’s lack of shame.

  • Jerry Shelton

    This one won’t even make it to his top ten lies told list…so it is just another one

    • RJLigier

      It’s a 2-3%er thing……….projection and prevarication

  • MrApple

    Maybe Obama should see this before looking like more of a fool than he already does.
    How to Buy a Gun Online in 12 Easy Steps
    http://mygunculture.com/how-to-buy-a-gun-online-in-12-easy-steps/

  • Oscar

    Satan has long been regarded as the great deceiver. But Obama is giving him a run for his money.

    • RJLigier

      America now has first hand experience observing the behavior of a megalomaniacal 2-3%er sociopath………no need for the 2-3%ers within the APAs/ABA to declare him a “victim”………..

    • AdamTayl0r

      Oh, its still Satan…

      Playing Obama like a puppet…

  • soxfan4evah

    https://twitter.com/hasherhater/status/684444796568600578 Got to wonder what other rights he plans on targeting this next year. Of course his idiot followers will think it is so wonderful and will tell us how Hillary is going to continue like it is a good thing.

  • ThewlynOh ✓certifiable

    anything for a narrative, eh Barry

  • Jake Bertz
    • RepublicanDon

      If DOJ enforced existing laws, none of that would be a problem. Typical liberal tactics.

    • Michael the white suburbanite

      That’s the problem, your “Just sayin” with out thought.

  • Jerry Shelton

    But it is already illegal for the violent felon to own a gun, so why would he buy one?

  • Acuda4me ✓Please!

    It IS a day ending in ‘Y,’ isn’t it?

  • Ron

    This big eared clown is almost as big a liar as The Hildabeast!

  • Chris Tollefson

    Absolutely true. Deny all you want, but here are the facts. http://www.businessinsider.com/mayors-against-illegal-guns-attacks-armslist-2013-12

    • RepublicanDon

      I went to your link and read the whole thing. Current law, pre-Obama, already covers everything mentioned in the article. The article, by the way, was sponsored by an anti-gun group. Typical liberal tactics. Refuse to enforce the existing laws and then insist on more laws.

  • Asce Blayze

    How is this a lie? You can buy anything online, have you never heard of the deep web? Silk road?

    • AdamTayl0r

      You know how to get there? Been there? Speak up now, The NSA is listening…

    • Michael the white suburbanite

      Actually hadn’t until today

  • Ferroequus

    Lying like any politician does, nothing new here.

  • Vyper3000

    He lied…. and anyone is surprised by this? You can’t take this guy’s word when he says ‘good morning’, much less anything else.

  • AdamTayl0r

    What 0bama WANTS the uninformed public to HEAR is: “felons, kids, ANYONE can hop on their Hewlett Packard, sign onto AOL and buy a gun on guns.com, then have it shipped to them, so they can go on a shooting rampage at a school.”

    What he’s NOT saying (and doesn’t want them to know) is that unless you are selling a weapon face-to-face, this just doesn’t happen…legally.

    Any gun bought online MUST be shipped to a Federal Firearm License (FFL) dealer, who does a background check on you, and then releases the gun to you.

    This can be by-passed by talking to someone online and meeting them face-to-face for a transfer of guns for funds, but it isn’t just a click away like 0bama wants you to believe. AND where even face-to-face gun sales have to be background checked (is there a state?), a criminal can always go around the law…you know…cause…he’s a…you know…criminal…

    • Suzanne Panneta

      “Any gun bought online MUST be shipped to a Federal Firearm License (FFL) dealer, who does a background check on you, and then releases the gun to you.”
      Once again-NO, not always! If you buy online from a private seller who lives in the same state as you, NONE of that is required by the ATF or federal government. As long as there are no state/local restriction, an AR-15 can be shipped by a same sate seller directly to your house by the USPS.

      • AdamTayl0r

        Nope.
        You CAN’T SHIP a firearm through UPS or FexEx or even DHL, and especially not USPS from owner to buyer without an FFL being involved. I believe the BATF may have a problem with that…

        • Suzanne Panneta

          NOPE, perfectly legal if shipping to a buyer in the same state – which is all I said. Firearms license only required if shipping out of state. Here’s the ATF website says:
          Q-“May a nonlicensee ship a firearm through the U.S. Postal Service?”
          A-“A nonlicensee may mail a shotgun or rifle to a resident of his or her own State or to a licensee in any State. The Postal Service recommends that long guns be sent by registered mail and that no marking of any kind which would indicate the nature of the contents be placed on the outside of any parcel containing firearms.”

          Q-“May a nonlicensee ship a firearm by common or contract carrier?”
          A-“A nonlicensee may ship a firearm by a common or contract carrier to a resident of his or her or her own State or to a licensee in any State. A common or contract carrier must be used to ship a handgun. “

  • greywulf1064

    He lies so much he has to use the Secret Service to call his dog for him.

  • http://macsen573.wix.com/overdrive Macsen Overdrive

    I’m sure Politifact will call it “Mostly True” at worst.

  • Giuseppe Franco

    There are roughly 300 million guns in this country right now.

    So the Second Amendment is the one issue where most of the public aren’t complete morons and know that Obama is looking us dead in the eye and lying to our faces.

    Everyone who owns a gun legally knows Obama is full of shit.

    • Petrucio14

      And everybody who owns no guns at all. And everybody who owns guns illegally. Did I cover all the bases?

  • vnamvet1969

    What a pathetic little man.

  • Jeff

    Dana Loesch on Twitter documented all the lies obama made in that speech, and she cited and linked to the actual laws that are on the books relating to each lie.

    • ljam

      But no one cares, obviously….our media is complicit in our demise.

  • HiltonHead_Dude

    Obamas entire presidency has been based on lies. From Guantanamo bay to terrorism, his entire presidency revolves around lies and low information. Others believing them. Color me shocked.

  • Devin Zieres

    What is WRONG with you people?! LOL! … Of course you can. you can buy
    ANYTHING online… have none of you used TOR, Dark web? dont even Have to do that… but that is the safer way.
    I can buy any illegal drug or weapon i like online and have it delivered to my door. You guys really need to up your game.

    • jilliejoel

      Law abiding citizens do NOT buy guns illegally. Pretty sure only deviants and criminals use TOR or Dark web. So no, none of “us” have.

      Up YOUR game loser.

      • thale_taxurfeet ♂ Vilified

        And I find it funny, in a peculiar way, how anything POTUS proposes will enhance the ability of the FBI, the BATF or any of the other State and Federal Law Enforcement entities to enforce what is ALREADY ILLEGAL, without going through the legislative process.

        Damn, these people are thick.

        • jilliejoel

          Did you watch his presser this morning? I sometimes imagine being a liberal while listening to him and his loyal subjects must eat that shit up! His forked tongue is very effective with his ilk.

          Free.

          • thale_taxurfeet ♂ Vilified

            Despite learning how to have a knock-down-dragged out and take an asswhupping thanks to older brothers, plus some martial training in my yout’, military service, and learning to live with a chronically painful injury, I can not watch Urkel.

            A man has to know his limitations.

          • jilliejoel

            What can I say. I’m a masochist. I applaud your discipline.

          • thale_taxurfeet ♂ Vilified

            I read the transcripts… Doing so makes it easier for a bitter-n-clingy, flownover, knuckle-dragging type like yours truly to remain rational.

      • Devin Zieres

        first of all. just cause i know HOW does not mean i have, second the “up your game” comment was a light hearted one, meant in jest…Thirdly: what does law abiding or criminal have to do with making your point… in fact did you NOT just make my point for me… that is easy for criminals to illegally obtain a firearm online… that IS what is being debated here… soooo, yeah. thank you for agreeing. :/

        • jilliejoel

          Criminals will always find a way to get their hands on a gun. No law ( or unenforcable executive action) will do a damn thing about that, short of confiscation. That’s a FACT! No “debate” necessary.

          Sorry dude, we don’t agree.

          • Devin Zieres

            what make you say that we dont agree on that point.. NOTHING i said countered the point you just made…. not one word… in fact i made a similar point in saying it was easy to obtain anytime you want… I find it odd you want to disagree so quickly. I only disagree that He was “lying” when he stated that guns can be bought online without background checks.. that is a fact, you can… and you basically just stated the same thing…. i never said a thing about laws or restrictions. You have a one track mind sounds like.

          • Devin Zieres

            you KEEP making my point for me dude! and then saying we disagree somehow….LMAO …. now I wont say that if we actually got into a discussion about politics that we would not disagree at some point…I’m sure we would. Mostly cause you seem like you issues with basic reading comprehension.

          • jilliejoel

            My apologies to you Devin. I was having a stressful day and took it out on you.

            I’m embarrassed reading back through our exchange and hope you will accept my apology.

          • Devin Zieres

            Hey, No worries. It’s too easy to take out one’s frustrations online. I understand, we have all done it. apology accepted.
            btw, almost no one comes back to apologize to a stranger online. Really shows your character and true colors. (I mean that in a good way) Very big of you!
            Hope today is a better day! 🙂

          • jilliejoel

            Already is. Thank you.

          • Devin Zieres

            And likewise, I get a little heated. Sorry if i said anything to offend you.

    • brotherStefan

      I’ll bet you race your mother to the door when UPS shows up in the driveway.

      • jilliejoel

        It’s a race to see who gets first dibs on watching the porn video they ordered off the “dark web”.

      • Devin Zieres

        Haha. I guess if i wasnt a 30 year old living with my wife and kids…. maybe i would have to do that…?
        Not sure what this comment has to do with anything relating to the topic or how it is actually a reply to my comment….hell, i cant even tell if you “agree” or “disagree”… not there is anything to debate…. try again

        • brotherStefan

          “You guys really need to up your game.”

          What game would that be to which you refer?

          • Devin Zieres

            i think you are focusing on the wrong part of what i said. it’s a turn of phrase. the only part of my comment meant to be taken as light hearted and in jest

    • G3

      Do you seriously think that’s what Barry was talking about? Go ahead – ask him if he’s ever heard of TOR…the look you’ll see on his face will be as blank as a freshly stretched canvas.

      • Devin Zieres

        the Dark web is NOT the only place to buy illegal, unregistered weapons online… not at all. but it is easy… and YES… Yes i ABSOLUTELY know he understands the Dark web… I suppose you think he is not aware of silk road either??! even after the FBI’s continual involvement…? Do you think they honestly dont know about anything…? I guarantee if its something we know about… they sure as hell know about it too. And besides its not all about what Barry know for himself…he has a team of advisers who’s job it is to be update on anything he is going to speak about.

    • Petrucio14

      Bonjour.

  • Aaron Freeman

    I’ve purchased firearms online. When you purchase them, they have to be paid for before they’re shipped to an FFL holder in your state. Then, the FFL holder in your state, charges you a fee, plus the state background check fee, before you can even pick up your purchase; this is bullshit, and he knows it! When will Congress get the testicular and intestinal fortitude needed to impeach this lying asshat?

    • surroundedbyidiots

      I’m too annoyed to follow this, but have any R presidential candidates commented and corrected the lies?

    • Suzanne Panneta

      Or not – if you buy online from a private seller who lives in the same state that you do, no background check is required, no dealer involvement is required, and if a long gun – AR-15, etc., it can be shipped to your door by the USPS, if there are no overriding state/local restrictions. I personally think this is pretty great and I’ve posted the relevant links from ATF and Post Office a bunch of times. But this must be an anti-gun board, since everyone seems to deny that you can do it. Keep it up and before long you WON’T be able to do it!

  • Dave In Arizona

    Did you really expect Obama not lie? He’s been lying to America for the past seven years; don’t expect him to change anytime soon (if ever).

  • wharfrat

    Obama is a lyer and knows nothing about buying guns on the Internet,any gun bought on the Internet is sent to a Federally Licensed Agent who will check the background and the I.D.of anyone buying a gun before charging a fee to give the weapon to the buyer,if they are a Felon they don’t get the gun and they are reported to the FBI by the Agent,so, Obama is full of crap and is a fool.

    • jilliejoel

      Quit making sense and telling the truth. Dear Leader would not be pleased.

    • Suzanne Panneta

      Or not – if they buy online from a private seller who lives in the same state that they do, no background check is required, no dealer involvement is required, and if a long gun – AR-15, etc., it can be shipped to the buyer’s door by the USPS. I personally think this is pretty great and I’ve posted the relevant links from ATF and Post Office a bunch of times. But this must be an anti-gun board, since everyone seems to deny that you can do it. Keep it up and before long you WON’T be able to do it!

  • I_KICK_HIPPIES

    He has lied his entire life.

  • Gregg Barnes

    What a moron. Its also funny that he assumes all felons are violent.

  • G3

    Obama told a lie? Shocking…said no one, ever. For 8 years, the man-child has done nothing BUT lie – and never gets called out on his shit…so why stop now?

  • Orpheus75

    Of course it’s a lie, but his minions don’t care. He could tell them the sky is really red, and they’d all nod their heads in agreement, having not actually looked outside to check to see if it was true or not.

  • Custom gun

    Hard to believe he would make a statement like this, knowing full well that it is a lie. Then again, from his mouth it’s not that hard to believe, lieing scum. The unfortunate thing is, how many people will believe this to be true?

  • Leadrunner

    The media will totally miss it because they are probably in the throws of an orgasm.

    • Orpheus75

      I don’t think there is any “probably” in that. I’d give it 100% certainty.

  • Russ

    whenever his mouth is moving he is lying duh!! This is so easy to disprove, just try and buy any gun online and you will see!

  • Dan Abbett

    I considered buying a gun online and the instructions on the website clearly stated that the gun would be delivered to a licensed dealer where I could pick it up after I passed the background check. I want to hear from Congress on this issue. Are they just going to allow Obama to address the nation again and spout outright lies with no challenge? Of course they will, they are all in on the deal.

  • deepdiver

    As has been pointed out (but I can’t find to upvote now), the ONLY way to buy a firearm “online” legally without a background check would be to use the internet to find a seller/buyer, both of you live in the same state and that state allow face-to-face sales between private parties without a background check and then meet in person and complete the transaction. And even then it wasn’t “bought online” but rather the buyer/seller found each other on the internet. Any other modern firearm is going to require shipping the gun which is going to have to go to an FFL on the buyer’s end.

    Heck, I bought a handgun from a friend of mine who lives out of state. Despite knowing both of us are legal to purchase and own that gun in our respective states, to follow the law since we live in different states, he had to ship it to my FFL where I had to fill out the paperwork and get a background check to take possession of it. I had been at his house soon before and could have just bought it then and taken it home BUT THAT IS ILLEGAL so we did it the right way.

  • ktrush

    Maybe President Pussy has never tried to buy a gun and is just speaking from complete ignorance. It’s not a lie if he believes it’s true, right? Although it is a severe indictment of his intelligence to believe such a thing could be true.

    • Jerry Shelton

      Of course he is speaking from complete ignorance, he is speaking after all

    • jilliejoel

      He can TRY restricting our 2A rights, but I promise he’s not going to like the outcome.

      • Suzanne Panneta

        LOL, a lot of people here are rolling over and saying a perfectly valid way to buy a gun, online without a background check from a same state seller who ships to your home doesn’t exist. So sad, they won’t even know they lost something when it gets taken away.

  • Alex TheSane

    Not 100% lie. You can BUY the gun online without a background check. You can’t take possession of it without one, but you can surely buy it. Just let it sit at the FFL for eternity, maybe you can visit it now and then.

    • LimpingHenry

      if you cannot take possession of an item, the transaction is not complete so you have paid money but not actually bought anything.

      • Alex TheSane

        I’m being intentionally obtuse just like they seem to enjoy being.

      • Suzanne Panneta

        What makes you say you can’t take possession?We’re talking about same state buyer and seller who met online. No background check, no dealer involvement, the seller can ship to you by US Mail if a long gun – AR-15, etc. ALL ACCORDING TO THE ATF AND THE POST OFFICE!

        From the ATF website:
        Q-“May a nonlicensee ship a firearm through the U.S. Postal Service?”
        A-“A nonlicensee may mail a shotgun or rifle to a resident of his or her own State or to a licensee in any State. The Postal Service recommends that long guns be sent by registered mail and that no marking of any kind which would indicate the nature of the contents be placed on the outside of any parcel containing firearms.”
        Q-“May a nonlicensee ship a firearm by common or contract carrier?”
        A-“A nonlicensee may ship a firearm by a common or contract carrier to a resident of his or her or her own State or to a licensee in any State. A common or contract carrier must be used to ship a handgun. ”

        From USPS.COM:
        “Subject to state, territory, or district regulations, rifles and shotguns may be mailed without restriction when sent within the same state of mailing.” Meaning if no state/local laws (much of the country) shipping a rifle or shotgun WITHIN YOUR STATE is fine without either of you being a dealer.

        • LimpingHenry

          I was not aware of that exception to the rule, but I really am not worried that that is a significant means by which criminals acquire firearms.

    • Onyx

      No federal law requires the transfer to take place through an FFL. Some states have such laws, but not all. Hence the continued call for “universal background checks”.

      • opinionated

        Yeah, so we can keep firearms out of the hands of terrorists who want to kill us. (sarcasm)

      • Alex TheSane

        So you’re saying I can order a gun online and have it shipped directly to my home? Please let me know your source for this information.

        • Suzanne Panneta

          Check the ATF. Private seller can ship to in-state buyer even if neither is licensed, as long as no state/local laws prohibit.

  • JohnQ Rational

    A private seller can sell a gun (or several) online without any background check under previous enforcement standards. It’s not a lie. Please point to me where this is not the case and I’ll retract my statement.. Oh, and my research is summarized here. https://s3.amazonaws.com/s3.mayorsagainstillegalguns.org/images/InTheBusiness.pdf

    • LimpingHenry

      If you can’t take possession, the transaction is incomplete. The background check takes place at the point of actual transfer. So, yes, it is in essence a lie. Since your source is Mayors Against Illegal Guns, it is not surprising that this point has not been made clear. Eagerly awaiting your retraction.

      • JohnQ Rational

        How about the ATF as a source: https://www.atf.gov/firearms/qa/may-nonlicensee-ship-firearm-through-us-postal-service

        You can mail shotguns and rifles within your state from one unlicensed person to another. Add that to a website such as http://www.armslist.com which allows private parties to advertise and sell firearms. So now I have the ability to search, find and purchase a firearm online and have it shipped to my door. Hmmm. Sounds like no background check required to me. The way I read it, only federally licensed dealers were required under the law to perform the background check before the purchaser was allowed to take possession of the weapon. But please point me to the part of the law (before today) that says that a private seller is required to do a background check before selling a firearm to another private party.

        While you’re doing that, I’ll look at this nice Remington 870 that I can by online from a guy a couple of towns over from my house. http://www.armslist.com/posts/5028102/michigan-shotguns-for-sale–remington-870-blackhawk–tactical

        • LimpingHenry

          Thanks for the info about that exception.

  • Socal444

    Nobody believes ANYTHING our jug-eared Muslim President says. If you are against him, you know for a fact that he is lying and you rejected what he says. If you are with him, you know for a fact that he is lying, but you are ok with it

  • Sman

    What about private sellers? You can get in touch with someone through an ad online, then meet up to buy that weapon. That would be a private sale and federal law doesn’t require a background check.

  • Jeff

    For arguments sake, lets say everything he said was true. Do we still want one man to be able to change the Constitution whenever he wants? That’s called a monarchy or dictatorship or tyranny.

  • interestedobserver2

    The newsworthy event would be if Obama ever told the TRUTH about anything.

  • flyingfox88

    Gun owners know this is blatant BS. Most of the public, however, is ignorant of U.S. gun laws and regulations. These are the folks Obama is aiming this at and he well knows it. He figures his BS got him elected twice, so what harm is there in continuing to lie to the American public. He knows most of us are low-information ignoramuses anyway so: nothing ventured, nothing gained.

  • Screaming Eagle

    Am I the only one remembering the famous “you lie!” outburst years ago?

    • flyingfox88

      Know how to tell Obama’s lying? His lips are moving. This statement is so beyond the fringe, it’s beyond a lie: it’s a statement to the American people that “I can do or say anything I want and I don’t care about whether you believe it or not.” This guy should be in a padded cell. He’s gone over the edge.

    • jilliejoel

      Nope.

  • but but but

    The thought that brings the most tears to Magic Mojoe’s eyes is the end of his program of destroying the soul of our country, and all those multi-international male butts.

  • bobbyt1964

    ABSOLUTELY TRUE!!! “A violent felon can buy the exact same weapon over the internet with no background check, no questions asked.”

    Prezzie Momjeans should have lied his way into Catholic school instead of BongSurfer High. The Good Sisters would have beaten into him the difference between “can” and “may.”

    By definition a “violent felon” is a criminal. By definition, a “felon” is a person who disregards the law. A person who disregards the law is absolutely able to buy a weapon on-line, just as a person who disregards the law is able to fleece the taxpayers into underwriting his college education by lying about his “foreign student” status.

    Question: Since we know that felons do exactly as they please by disregarding the law, how exactly does infringing upon the Constitutional freedoms of the law-abiding effect these felons and their behavior? Maybe no one will now be allowed to go potty, because a few rascals were abusing the “privilege,” right, axxhole?

  • Homeisthehunter

    What a sorry state of affairs…that our country will put up with such an absolute disgrace to the office of POTUS….a lying, corrupt, and pathetic excuse for a man. There will be no healing the division in our country. Those who support the Clintons and Obamas and the ruling class that is now entrenched in Washington and who refuse to obey our Constitution… and who will continue to attempt to force the rest of us to comply with their illegal and immoral dictates….are going to find themselves in a conflict they are ill equipped for…mostly because they believe it can’t happen . Molon Labe.

  • surfdog

    Guns from the ” fast and furious ” debacle keep turning up along with dead people . Why didn’t the president shed a few tears over that ?

  • Sthrnrebel

    So… this doesn’t exist. Just a figment of the collective imagination. Good to know. http://www.armslist.com/

    • Pookiedr

      You can’t actually buy any firearm on this website. You can only contact the seller.

      • Suzanne Panneta

        You can contact the seller ONLINE, pay them ONLINE, and make shipping arrangements ONLINE, and have your AR-15 shipped to your door. Just because you may have to use other online metods doesn’t make the entire transaction any less ONLINE.

    • NRPax

      Still need to do the transfer. You can’t just take possession. Thank you for playing though.

      • Suzanne Panneta

        You can if buyer and seller reside in the same state and there are no state laws prohibiting. There is no problem with federal law, gun can even be shipped in many cases.

        • NRPax

          I live in Maryland. We have a lot of state laws prohibiting such things which sites like that don’t magically make go away.

          • Suzanne Panneta

            That’s why we said, “if there no state laws prohibiting”. In most of the country OK, especially for a long gun – AR-15, etc.. In some states, OK for a long gun but not a hand gun. In some states OK for anything.

  • Upper Dave

    Actually, it’s not technically a lie. Every word he said was true. It just might have been clearer if he’d said “illegally buy”, because you can on the dark web.

    • Petrucio14

      It still depends on what your definition of ‘is’ is.

  • Karen M

    The typical lying that he usually does. His speech was almost as good as the one he gave when he stood up as a senator to promoted killing babies; “well some people call them that.” Almost, but not quite. And I loved the tears he forced while talking, just goes to show you how low he will stoop to get what he wants. What a POS!!!!

  • Akiva

    So none of you have ever been online? I found over 500 firearms within 50 miles of my house for sale online and every single one of them is from a private seller.

    Armslist. Fuckin’ seriously. This whole article took 30 seconds to disprove.

    • Joe Vanmeter

      I just checked this site and indeed found exactly the same thing, Plenty of private sellers in my area selling everything you could ever want.

      • http://www.black-and-right.com/ IceColdTroll

        And? Aint the free market great?

    • Pookiedr

      I’m betting you can’t buy a gun online, pay for it online and have it delivered to your residence.

      • Joe Vanmeter

        actually as long as it is not across state lines, yes. I’m looking at an ad for an Armalite .223 for $1600 right now.

        • Pookiedr

          That you paid for online, from a private seller?

          • Joe Vanmeter

            Federal law currently allows online sales of guns, if seller and buyer are in the same state you can ship it door to door. If it is out of state the gun must be shipped to a dealer (where at that point a background check is required before pickup)

          • Pookiedr

            And if they are a FFL dealer, the purchaser must pass a background check.

          • Joe Vanmeter

            That’s the point these are private sellers…who by law are allowed to sell online.

          • Pookiedr

            They are advertising online. The sale is between private citizens and is not online.

          • Suzanne Panneta

            Semantics. If they never have to meet face-to-face it’s online.

      • Akiva

        So having to, in my case, walk 3 blocks makes it “not online” when I find it online, arrange for the sale online, can pay the guy with PayPal.

        But since it doesn’t come in a box with an Amazon label, it’s not “online.”

        Right.

        • Pookiedr

          So how is that different than finding a gun for sale add in the local shopper?

          • Joe Vanmeter

            Its not different, the new law will require those people to also do background checks.

          • Akiva

            There’s the rub. Everyone on this site is literally foaming at the mouth when exactly 0% of them understand what the president said or what the new EOs do. This is nothing but “OBUMMER=BAD! RAWR!”

          • http://www.black-and-right.com/ IceColdTroll
        • http://www.black-and-right.com/ IceColdTroll

          No really, how is it any different from talking to your buddy at the lodge hall or bowling club (assuming you have any buddies, of course)?

      • Roland Mack

        You absolutely can.. Just not legally. Fed ex delivers it.

        • Pookiedr

          And how would requiring a background check solve that?

          • Roland Mack

            It won’t.. And that is not the topic of this article, my friend. The topic is whether or not a lie was tweeted..
            To answer your question, Background checks would solve very little. A crackdown on the black market, however…

      • Suzanne Panneta

        In same state as the seller, no problem if a long gun, US Mail will deliver. If a handgun, a little harder to ship but perfectly legal (according to federal law – your state/local regulations may vary).

    • Roland Mack

      Don’t tell them about silk road.. Their heads will explode.. Guns, drugs, illegal sickoporn… All Anonymously delivered to your door.

  • bifski

    why can’t we the people demand/enact impeachment?

  • Joe Vanmeter

    Anyone care to explain how he lied? He pointed out something that was proven recently where you can go online and buy from a private seller (no background check required). By law you can’t have the gun shipped to (across state lines) you but you can just as well go to the seller and pick it up but if it is within the same state it can be mailed to you.

    I ask that people please respond intelligently, as I am trying to be objective here. I am a gun owner and I believe in our second amendment rights but I think we need to have common sense.

    • NRPax

      We’re still waiting for the name of one website where you can legally buy a gun without a background check or having to do any paperwork.

      • Joe Vanmeter

        http://www.armslist.com/posts/5024365/lafayette-indiana-rifles-for-sale-trade–psa-spikes-ar

        As long as you search by private seller, you can buy pretty much anything.

        • NRPax

          Went there already and in less than five seconds learned that I still have to arrange a transfer and jump through hoops. I can’t just put money down and get a gun.

          • Joe Vanmeter

            No background check here, just went and arranged to meet a guy selling an AR15 for $1600. I can have him ship it to me as long as it is within my state…woohoo

          • NRPax

            So what?

            Clarification: If you aren’t a felon or have anything in your past that would prohibit you from legally owning a gun, who cares? If you do, then it’s already illegal for you to buy off that site.

          • Pookiedr

            He is not actually buying the gun online, he was only given the opportunity to contact the seller. The arrangements for the sale and transfer of said firearm are between private citizens and not online. The website he proclaims is selling online just makes the introduction, that is all.

          • NRPax

            And they have a policy on all purchases made on their sites regarding keeping things legal. But “OMG! SCARY WEAPONZ ON THE INTERWEBZ!!”

          • Pookiedr

            And I’m doubting that too many criminal types would even bother going online, even if they could actually buy them online with no background checks. Digital trail and all.

          • NRPax

            Hold up. Are you implying that criminals don’t obey the law? What’s wrong with you?!

          • Pookiedr

            I guess I’m just a little jaded. These do nothing “regulations” are trying to find a solution to a nonexistent problem. Feel good measures like this one only makes it more difficult for law abiding citizens and does nothing to prevent gun crime.

          • NRPax

            President Boyfriend must have his legacy at all costs.

          • Suzanne Panneta

            I’d say if they can complete the transaction without ever meeting face-to-face, then it’s “online”.

          • http://www.black-and-right.com/ IceColdTroll

            Again — so how is that any different from talking to a lodge buddy?

          • Suzanne Panneta

            “how is that any different from talking to a lodge buddy?
            Uh, because can you use the Internet to find a weapon you never would have known was for sale from a private seller you didn’t know exists, you can pay them online and arrange delivery without a background check or ever meeting face-to-face (if in the same state). I think that pretty much qualifies as “buying online without any background check.” Which I’m totally OK with!

      • Akiva

        Armslist. Buy online, pay online, private seller can mail to to me within state lines (most wouldn’t even be outside my city limits, personally).

        • NRPax

          I already answered Joe when he linked the same site. So no, that’s not a good example.

        • http://www.black-and-right.com/ IceColdTroll

          CORNHOLER!
          CORNHOLER!!
          CORNHOLER!!!

    • jschlue2

      So then we’ll need to make anyone who sells their car themselves get a car dealer’s license and anyone who sells their home get a real estate license… You can see where that would get us right? Besides, the guns used in the mass shootings, including San Bernardino, were purchased legally with background checks and the works. And, have you ever heard of the black market? More laws aren’t going to make one bit of difference – just enforce the ones already on the books.

      • Joe Vanmeter

        I think that is where this comes into play, see the guns in San bernadino were purchased legally by a man who was friends with the shooters. If you own a weapon that is used in a crime….then you should be held accountable unless you have gone through the proper steps to report the weapons stolen.

        • NRPax

          You are aware that it’s already illegal to do a straw purchase, yes? And you are aware that the man in question is already being held accountable? And if so, then what difference is a shiny new law going to make?

          • jschlue2

            And it’s not even a law – even better! That’s why we have checks and balances, so idiots like Obama can’t decide to do whatever he wants.

          • NRPax

            It’s also why the good Lord gave us tar and feathers for when politicians get too uppity.

          • bluewater

            It gives Obama a “legacy.” Nothing more.

        • http://www.black-and-right.com/ IceColdTroll

          Your two sentences are ENTIRELY disconnected. Waiting for the new answer from Media Matters?
          ” I am a gun owner and I believe in our second amendment rights”

          Just curious, what do you own?

    • http://www.black-and-right.com/ IceColdTroll

      So how is that any different from doing it in person via newspaper ad? Or an inquiry made at the lodge hall Wednesday night? Why are some people so superstitious about the word “online”?

  • Eric H

    Considering they’ve got no compunction about lying to advance their agenda, I’m not at all surprised they lied again to get gun control.

  • Loren

    How can you have an honest discussion, if one side starts with a lie?

    • bluewater

      When Dems say they want a “dialogue,” they really mean “shut up and do as we say.”

      • http://www.black-and-right.com/ IceColdTroll

        Oh, silly me, I thought that’s what “compromise” meant.

      • JanelleH

        Seems DC is infested with that.

  • CruisingTroll

    Technically, in the most vile lawyerly manner, what the Twit has said is true. After all, we know that one can buy a sex slave over the internet, or hire a hitman, without background checks What is glossed over is the simple little fact that ALL OF THOSE THINGS are illegal, as is The Twit’s gun buying scenario.

    • jschlue2

      And all those black market gun dealers (including those on the mean streets of Obama’s Chicago) are going to just close up shop because they be like, “Oh crap, now we have to run background checks!” And all the new laws in the world won’t stop a kook (or a terrorist) from picking up a gun that’s already been legally purchased to use it in the commission of a crime. All the new rules will do is make it easier for the government to chip away at the rights of law-abiding citizens – and that’s the real goal in all of this now isn’t it (just ask Saul Alinsky).

  • PaxNM

    What DOESN’T Obama lie about???

    • Renegade 13

      Oh, wait, I know this one… Hang on…

      Nope. I got nuthin’.

  • PaxNM

    Obama is only weepy because he senses the “sands, of Time” running-out on his debauchery & efforts to destroy this country! Hope prosecutions await him.

  • Tim

    Looks like I can buy plenty of guns here without an FFL check? http://www.gunbroker.com/All/BI.aspx?Keywords=no+ffl

    • Pookiedr

      56 antique firearms is not exactly proof. I doubt any are in working condition, well, since they are antiques.

  • Roland Mack

    The tweet said “criminals” can buy them online… This group dies not include upstanding citizens such as yourselves.
    The statement is absolutely true.. Full auto weapons can be delivered (in parts) to your door no questions asked.
    No, I won’t post a link.. Not trying to get on a watch list. Please don’t let this revelation keep you awake tonight.

    • sludog

      And “mandatory” background checks change/affect this how?

      • Roland Mack

        It won’t.. And that is not the topic of this article, my friend. The topic is whether or not a lie was tweeted..
        To answer your question, Background checks would solve very little. A crackdown on the black market, however…

        • sludog

          The lie was implied… Obama’s entire speech was a screed on background checks “stopping” illegal internet gun sales and “gun” violence. Cherry picking specific already illegal acts to support your position is nothing more than a “strawman” argument There have always been and always will be illegal activities on the internet.

  • Douglas W. Canipe

    That isn’t a lie. You most certainly can buy a gun online without a background check. How is the truth a lie? Go to google and type in “can you buy a gun online without a background check” and search.

    • snakebit

      If the seller is in another state, then any online sale is illegal under Federal law unless the gun is shipped to an FFL in the buyer’s state. The FFL that delivers the gun to the buyer will treat the transfer exactly as they treat a sale from their own inventory, conducting all background checks and completing all paperwork required under Federal law and the laws of their (and the buyer’s) state. If the buyer and seller are in the same state, then it’s a private sale between citizens subject to all state and Federal laws that apply to private sales in that state, which may or may not require a background check. Point being, there’s nothing different between that “online” sale and any other transfer between private citizens in that state. Obama is deliberately misleading by giving the impression that the laws governing online sales are somehow different, allowing sales that would be illegal if conducted face-to-face. That’s a lie.

      • Douglas W. Canipe

        You should have stopped at “if”
        Because saying “you can buy a gun online without a backround check” is not a lie. Because you can.

        • snakebit

          Only subject to the identical laws that apply to any other transfer of a firearm between private citizens in that state. Free advice: Stick with “Private citizens can sell a gun to another private citizen in the same state without a background check – in some states.” That’s the argument you’re trying to make. You won’t sound so ill-informed if you leave “online sales” out of it. Unless of course, like Obama, you’re trying to mislead people.

          • Onyx

            It’s not misleading people. Let’s just say: “Private citizens can sell a gun to another private citizen in the same state w/o a background check — in some states. Websites exist that are specifically designed to help these private citizens find the guns they want, coordinate payment and delivery with sellers while maintaining complete anonymity, and make sure they won’t have to pass a background check.” Is that accurate enough for you? Sounds like a pretty gaping loophole to me, as in fact it is.

          • Suzanne Panneta

            Lol, funny thing is you’d think pro-gunners would be celebrating this but most refuse to acknowledge it exists. Which probably means it won’t exist much longer. Gun rights – use ’em or lose ’em!

          • Orwellian_Dilemma

            Why would those who support the Constitution (what you call “pro-gunners”) be celebrating the wholesale violation of Constitutional and human rights by liberals?

          • Suzanne Panneta

            You should celebrate the fact that you can buy a gun online from a private seller in the same state, and they can ship it to your door with no background check or licensed dealer involvement. They can us the us mail to ship an AR-15 to you. They can also ship (not mail) a handgun to you if your state law permits. It’s all spelled out on the ATF website. YOU seem to want to spread false information to deny people this right by saying there is alot of paperwork, regulations etc. Per the ATF website:

            Q-“May a nonlicensee ship a firearm through the U.S. Postal Service?”

            A-“A nonlicensee may mail a shotgun or rifle to a resident of his or her own State or to a licensee in any State. The Postal Service recommends that long guns be sent by registered mail and that no marking of any kind which would indicate the nature of the contents be placed on the outside of any parcel containing firearms.”

            Q-“May a nonlicensee ship a firearm by common or contract carrier?”
            A-“A nonlicensee may ship a firearm by a common or contract carrier to a resident of his or her or her own State or to a licensee in any State. A common or contract carrier must be used to ship a handgun. “

  • ONTHE WALL

    Damn bamma got into the coke again. There is a pattern her bamma lies and he tries to pull off bullshit stuff, gee remember dinkins the goof ball phantom former mayor of NYC you know the mayor the NYCPD used to call the washroom attendant, the mayor who’s OTB manager managed to rob so much money from OTB that when Giuliani became Mayor he said he couldn’t understand the losses OTB had he said OTB was the only bookie he knows of that lost money. Let’s not forget Sonny
    Carson dinkins close friend who led protesters against the Koreans who opened
    stores that was rich. Lets not forget Colin Ferguson you remember the LIRR murderer, nice guy he converted into a peaceful muslim, remember he said he waited to shoot those people until the train was out of NYC so dinkins would not get blamed. This is getting too easy. Another one how about Marion Barry the DC mayor how many times 2 or 3, how many drug arrests, how man prostitute arrests he was the democrats answer to good government management.

  • http://www.black-and-right.com/ IceColdTroll

    Dear Leader . . . LIED?!?!? SAY IT AINT SO!!!!

  • The_Kat ✓vilified

    Hmmmm…if that is the case Obama better start cleaning house at the ATF, FBI, and the DoJ because they apparently are fucking up big time. It is currently against the law and if he is right than his administration has dropped the ball on enforcing it. Which wouldn’t surprise me considering how he and his administration mucked up Fast & Furious.

  • Benicia Armory

    “… and 30% of online purchasers are felons”. Really? Please, not even close to the truth. Where oh where are these online purchases taking place? Share that with us if you would please. Stop the lies.

  • sludog

    Obama Lied??? Say it ain’t so!

  • CaStylin

    Well it actually is…. True

    If you are a private seller (i.e unlicensed ) you did not have to require the buyer to pass a background check or even a simple a ID verification like the licensed seller does. This creates the ability to legally run an online or in person business that includes the sale of weapons with no requirement to file a transfer of ownership or even inform anyone the gun was sold

    To my knowledge there is no limit to the amount of firearms you can sale before you must become licensed to sale and in many states there is no limit to the amount of guns you can own so it is very possible to run this business model.

    I’m against banning all guns but there are obvious loopholes in our laws that make it super simple to buy a gun and release it to someone else without penalty

    • snakebit

      “This creates the ability to legally run an online or in person business
      that includes the sale of weapons with no requirement to file a transfer
      of ownership”

      No it doesn’t. If you’re in the business of selling guns, online or in-person then you are a dealer as defined by federal law and you must have an FFL and comply with all the legal recordkeeping and background check requirements that come with it.

      Under the Gun Control Act, a “dealer” is defined as any person who is
      “engaged in the business of selling firearms at wholesale or retail,”
      “repairing firearms,” or “making or fitting special barrels, stocks, or
      trigger mechanisms to firearms,” or who is a pawnbroker. As applied to a
      dealer, the term “engaged in the business” refers to “a person who
      devotes time, attention, and labor to dealing in firearms as a regular
      course of trade or business with the principal objective of obtaining
      livelihood through the repetitive purchase and resale of firearms.”
      However, “a person who makes occasional sales, exchanges, or purchases
      of firearms for the enhancement of a personal collection or for a hobby,
      or who sells all or part of his personal collection of firearms” or “a
      person who makes occasional repairs” or “who occasionally fits special
      barrels, stocks, or trigger mechanisms to firearms” is not considered
      “engaged in the business” and is not required to obtain an FFL.

      https://www.nraila.org/articles/20030115/federal-firearms-licenses

  • Dork Blaster

    Please. Displaying his blatant lying here will do nothing. Someone with access (and balls, meaning no lapdog media types) need to straight up ask him where he gets this BS with the world watching. Did an advisor say this to him? Did he make this up? Does he know it’s not true?

  • Penguin

    So Obama basically just banned every transgender person from owning a firearm. Will liberals still celebrate this?

    • Suzanne Panneta

      Lol, well ATF did say that no guns for medical marijuana users, bet many on rhe left didn’t know the politically correct response to that one 🙂

  • libsrtheh8ters

    Who is going to call him on it, his leftist propaganda spewing flying monkeys in the media, the utterly brain dead, leftist brainwashed college crowd? The average AmeriKan has no clue that gun violence is DOWN for like the 50th straight year & that strict gun laws will have no impact on the black & Hispanic gangs, drug dealers & drug cartels that commit the vast majority of gun crimes in this country. This racist, Christian, Jew & America DESPISING, muslim terrorist sympathizing, sociopathic P O S could care less about the “victims” of gun violence. If he did he would not have released 1000s of violent illegals into our neighborhoods, many who have gone on to commit rapes, murders & other crimes & released terrorists from Gitmo who have rejoined the their terrorist groups & are again murdering innocent civilians.

  • JustLikeAnimals

    I bought my GLOCK over the ‘net. Well, to be clear, I paid for it over the ‘net. Then the seller, a licensed FFL, shipped it UPS to another FFL near me. Then I had to go there, fill out a BATFE form, and the local FFL had to call in to the FBI/NICS system and get me cleared. Took about 2 minutes, and I walked out with my new GLOCK.

    So, you can PAY for a gun over the internet, but you can’t legally take delivery of it until you pass an FBI/NICS background check.

    Why this is so confusing to so many self-proclaimed “smart” people is beyond understanding.

    • Name

      Exactly. Punishing the law abiding only. Illicit purchase over the Internet is no different than an ad in a newspaper or an arranged meeting on the street. This false flag did not and will not prevent those types of deals.

    • Suzanne Panneta

      Actually, if you buy from a private seller who lives in the same state as you, you CAN take delivery without a background check. And if a long gun they can ship it legally through the US Mail. Handguns are also legal to ship but harder to find a carrier. This is based on FEDERAL law, if you don’t have stricter local regulations you are good to go.

  • eztalk ♀ENTP – The Visionary

    WHAT does this crackpot in a clown suit ever say that ISN’T a lie??

  • Acethepug

    Obama is as knowledgeable of guns and gun law as he is in his depth of knowledge of the US Constitution — which is to say he knows nothing at all.

    Not only was Joe Wilson right, he was a virtual Cassandra. Obama is as much a physical manifestation of serial (and blatant) dishonesty as he is the personification of Narcissus.

  • Apryl Dionne

    HELLO PEOPLE — HE IS TALKING ABOUT THE BLACK MARKET WHICH OPERATES ONLINE! Good to know everyone’s IQ out there. GEEZ!

    • Fred Norton

      Well then nothing he did today will change it, will it? And selling guns illegally online is a great way to get caught. Do you advertise that you don’t ship to an FFL? I suspect that you are making it up, you obviously don’t know about buying a gun online. Give me an example of buying a gun illegally online please.

  • The Real Farmer

    That sack of horse scheit been lying for years. He wants our nation over run with immigrants. He has ruined our economy with these ridicules policies. And the media is cheering him on? Fug that worthless trash.

  • boogyoogyoogy

    Geeee…..

    The Marxist in chief, told another lie…. How unexpected….

    How unreported…….

  • Melody Corrie

    How do they get them? Do they mail them? Cause, that’s a felony.

  • Zong Tai Wei
  • Loves2laugh

    He lied through the whole speech! I was in my car, listening and flipping off my Sirius XM radio. It was painfully frustrating. One lie after another…just such BS

  • Professor Fate

    There was more BS in this anti-gun speech than in a cattle ranch feedlot. Who wrote this load of garbage for Obongo anyway, Bloomberg, Sarah Brady, who? The misinformation on gun suppliers and individual purchases was breathtaking. I’m sure the usual trained seals will bark and clap like mad at this latest screed, everyone else will laugh and go on their way.

  • http://Twitter.com/jkerrysforehead John Kerry’s Forehead

    Wait wait wait maybe Obama meant a criminal can buy the exact same weapon online from ANOTHER CRIMINAL which again supports the fact his EA’s today are all smoke & mirrors, a dog & pony show for Idiot Democrat supporters of Moronitude. *smh

    • Roland Mack

      “A violent felon can buy the exact same weapon over the internet with no background check, no questions asked.”

      That is exactly what was tweeted. Perhaps reading comprehension among the Right is NOT dead!!

      A felon can purchase a weapon (from a less than reputable company) online, anonymously, delivered to their door by standard parcel service.

      And this happens more often than we would like to think.

      • Name

        Not if that company is a legitimate FFL holder. But one person could sell a weapon to another over the Internet. Same could be said of dope, or a 15 year old South American girl. Furthermore, you cannot just ship a weapon by UPS or Fedex without paperwork and you cannot send them through the us mail at all. It’s not as simple as Obama and co are making it

        • Suzanne Panneta

          You can absolutely send a rifle or shotgun through the mail to a buyer who lives in the same state, WITHOUT either one of you being a licensed dealer.

      • http://Twitter.com/jkerrysforehead John Kerry’s Forehead

        Correct. One criminal can criminally break current and future laws by selling another criminal an illegal gun and criminally delivering said illegal gun to said criminal via parcel service illegally of course. So what prevents a criminal from doing illegal things like this? Hmmm? Because I, as a law-abiding citizen have purchased guns via web sites from law-abiding citizens who have followed current laws shipping said legal firearm via parcel service to the FFL of my choice in my area and I have paid said FFL $20 to fill out proper legal federal documents and conduct the proper federal background check before releasing the legal firearm to me. By the way, I’ve also purchased legally from *gasp* gun shows where I also filled out proper federal forms and waited for my background check to be completed by the FFL broker. But, I’m a law-abiding citizen soooooo…

  • Griff63

    Mail order guns to the buyer were outlawed after Kennedy was assassinated, while you can order them , they are sent to a dealer..

    • Suzanne Panneta

      From dealers yes. But a private seller can still mail a rifle right to your door if you both live in the same state.

  • Griff63

    Thought that was what the Brady bill was designed for , didn’t work then , won’t work now . All it will do is put more names in the FBI data base so they can track you .

    • 5Cats

      Don’t you recall the carnage on the streets when the Brady Bill lapsed?
      Nope, me neither!
      It’s almost as if criminals don’t obey laws or something, eh?

      • GomeznSA

        And let us not forget the ‘huge’ number of persons who were tried and convicted under the provisions of the AWB…………………
        Never mind that the overall rates of crime involving guns has been steadily declining since it ‘sunset’ while the number of guns has increased dramatically.

        • 5Cats

          Nothing creates more criminals like… more laws!
          And since there’s a crime increase? More laws are needed again: That will solve it this time!
          Repeat until the cattle-cars are full.

      • Suzanne Panneta

        LOL, you’re right. Wonder if that’s why Bernie Sanders voted against it!

  • 5Cats

    Wait, wasn’t Joe “The Sheriff” Biden going to stop the gun violence? I seem to recall this… a few years back.

    • Suzanne Panneta

      I think Joe said, “All you need is a shotgun.”

      • 5Cats

        And go outside and blast it into the air, lolz! Now you’re standing there with an empty gun, and the criminals know it. Also it’s probably illegal.
        But the reason he was doing that “town hall show” was because Obama appointed him to tackle gun violence, iirc. He had a bunch of “jobs” in those early years.

  • http://wandererswaysite.wordpress.com Wanderer

    Barry lies about guns.

    Girly man cries about nothing.

    General Francisco Franco is still dead.

    Those stories and more tonight at 11.

  • Ken Chapel

    300 million guns in the country…..if you want to get a gun to do bad…no Obama raid on the 2nd Amendment is gonna stop them…..of course intelligent people know this….dumbass liberals just swallow it

  • disqus_wXEnzlLfv6

    Obama is correct. An individual can currently sell up to 4 guns.

  • Go_Down_Moses

    Obama’s statement is absolutely true. A violent felon can buy the same weapon over the internet, no questions asked. I know, because I am a felon with a minor history of violence and yesterday I bought a very nice Chinese made AK-47 off Craigslist for 300 bucks. Not one question about what I wanted it for or who I was.

    • Jimilee

      Cool story.

    • Suzanne Panneta

      LOL 🙂

    • Dan13

      That’s illegal, but you knew that. No part of the EO addresses illegal conduct.

  • Centurian2010

    Wonder how many of those Fast n Furious guns ended up in felons’ hands.

  • Suzanne Panneta

    Not a lie, but they should have clarified. You can buy online from Armslist.com. If a private purchase from an in-state seller, no background check and they CAN in many cases ship to you. It would depend on local regulations, but there is no federal prohibition. The exact shipping method might vary by type of firearm. Per the ATF: “A nonlicensee may ship a firearm by a common or contract carrier to a resident of his or her own State or to a licensee in any State”.

    • Ashram13

      http://www.gunbroker.com/support/SupportFAQView.aspx?faqid=1118

      If the firearm is an antique, sure.

      But, quoted verbatim from the source above…

      Federal Law requires that all modern firearms be shipped to a holder
      of a valid Federal Firearms License (FFL) only. The recipient must have
      an FFL; however the sender is not required to have one. Any person who
      is legally allowed to own a firearm is legally allowed to ship it to an
      FFL holder for any legal purpose (including sale or resale).

      Here is exactly what the ATF ‘Federal Firearms Regulations Reference Guide’ (ATF P 5300.4) says:

      (B9) May a nonlicensee ship a firearm by carrier?

      A nonlicensee may ship a firearm by carrier to a resident of his or her
      own state or to a licensee in any state. A common or contract carrier
      must be used to ship a handgun. In addition, Federal law requires that
      the carrier be notified that the shipment contains a firearm and
      prohibits common or contract carriers from requiring or causing any
      label to be placed on any package indicating that it contains a firearm.

      [18 U.S.C. 922(a)(2)(A), 922(a) (3), 922(a)(5) and 922(e), 27 CFR 178.31, 27 CFR 478.31 and 478.30]

      (B8) May a nonlicensee ship a firearm through the U. S. Postal Service?

      A nonlicensee may mail a shotgun or rifle to a resident of his or her own
      state or to a licensee in any state. Handguns are not mailable. A
      common or contract carrier must be used to ship a handgun. A nonlicensee
      may not transfer any firearm to a nonlicensed resident of another
      state. The Postal Service recommends that longguns be sent by registered
      mail and that no marking of any kind which would indicate the nature of
      the contents be placed on the outside of any parcel containing
      firearms.

      [18 U.S.C. 1715, 922(a)(3), 922(a)(5) and 922 (a)(2)(A)]

      • Suzanne Panneta

        You’re gunbroker quote is incorrect in this case. The ATF text is the exact same I sent you, and does NOT restrict the ability to ship in-state to antiques. Please show me a link or quote from the ATF that says “all modern weapons must be shipped to a FFL (if shipped in-state)”.

    • Ashram13

      Okay, here’s this that makes your point…

      https://www.atf.gov/firearms/qa/whom-may-unlicensed-person-transfer-firearms-under-gca

      A person may transfer a firearm to an unlicensed resident of his or her
      State, provided the transferor does not know or have reasonable cause to
      believe the transferee is prohibited from receiving or possessing
      firearms under Federal law. There may be State laws that regulate
      intrastate firearm transactions. A person considering transferring a
      firearm should contact his or her State Attorney General’s Office to
      inquire about the laws and possible State or local restrictions.

      [18 U.S.C 922(a)(5) and 922(d); 27 CFR 478.30, 478.32]

      —-

      But, despite there actually being a rather limited way to accomplish shipping to an unlicensed person legally, it’s also not as easy as people are making it out to be; it’s certainly not going to be as easy as buying vegetables from the supermarket as a particular President asserted.

      Here are some things to consider…

      Though it may be legal to ship a firearm within a state so long as you do not have reasonable grounds to assume the recipient is disqualified according to the 1968 GCA, the shipment of the firearm must be declared to the carrier according to the law.

      What that means is that others may know about the shipment, which is typically something that someone who intends to criminally sell and/or criminally use a firearm transferred in this manner may not actually want as that could be incriminating.

      In addition, many carriers may have their own policies, such as FedEx and UPS only shipping to licensed recipients or those whom are considered authorized according to the law, and where a firearm may be shipped only using next day services.

      Plus, the USPS will only ship longguns; they may not ship handguns, especially to those whom are not licensed or otherwise authorized in accordance with the law.

      Also, Armslist does not have any mechanism to permit an electronic funds transaction between parties within its own website to permit a sale over the net in the fashion assumed. Therefore, a financial services provider (PayPal, Square, etc.) would have to be involved to accomplish that, even though many of them may forbid the use of their services for transactions involving firearms as a matter of policy.

      Then, there is the notion that if the transaction does not constitute a crime in progress, does the government have any legal standing to get in the way?

      Also, many mass shooters managed to pass background checks, so how would expansion of the checks have stopped them? How would it stop future attacks? A background check database is only as good as the data it’s provided.

      People may be quick to claim that it would “make it harder to get a gun,” but how so, realistically speaking? Bad people may simply decide to exchange firearms without ever going to get a background check done. That would be illegal, but an exchange done between those who aren’t lawfully able to have firearms also isn’t legal, even before instating universal checks.

      And if such expansion proves to be ineffective, then what good is it considering the costs … and I don’t necessarily mean in monetary terms? You would be expanding government power by expanding background checks beyond their intended scope, from having an opportunity to deny the sale through licensed dealers to now approving all transactions on what was supposed to be constitutionally protected items that are supposed to be rightfully owned by lawful citizens as a matter of choice without requiring the government’s permission.

      People may also ask, with regard to background checks, that “if you don’t have something to hide, then what’s the problem?” The problem is that, under the presumption of innocence, one doesn’t have to prove he doesn’t have anything to hide. It’s the accuser who’s supposed to prove something.

      So, I still cannot see what the problem really is that’s worth making what is most probably an extra-constitutional assertion of executive power.

  • Jon C
    • Suzanne Panneta

      I see that they rated his claim as “mostly true”, because of Armslist and other websites like it. Believe me, I’m no fan of Obama, but in this case his claim is valid.

  • Jon C

    O’Reilly Challenges The NRA To “Be Reasonable” And Accept Universal Background Checks For Gun Purchases

    Bill O’Reilly: “You Are Paranoid” If You “Believe The Government Is Stockpiling Information” http://mediamatters.org/video/2016/01/05/oreilly-challenges-the-nra-to-be-reasonable-and/207784

    • Not Gersh Kuntzman

      Trade you “universal background checks” for national reciprocity of firearms carrying licenses/permits and a repeal of NFA34.

  • Jon C

    Myths And Facts Surrounding President Obama’s Executive Actions On Gun Violence http://mediamatters.org/research/2016/01/05/myths-and-facts-surrounding-president-obamas-ex/207782

  • Suzanne Panneta

    One thing that burns me is that the Attorney General says even sellers of 1-2 firearms are at risk for being tagged as dealers who must be licensed. Many of these are small time gun show-only sellers. But the ATF’s FFL application for says that if you only sell at gun shows, you’re not eligible for a license. Will this be changed?

    • snakebit

      It doesn’t matter. For private sellers it makes no economic sense to go to the expense of getting and maintaining an FFL in order to occasionally sell a gun out of their personal collection. It’s much cheaper to go to the local gun shop and pay the transfer fee for them to perform the background check and do the paperwork. The intent of this is to eliminate private sales and require all legal sales to go through an FFL. Of course this would have exactly zero effect on the primary means criminals use to acquire their guns. They either buy them from other criminal associates where both parties know the sale is illegal, or by straw purchase through a friend or family member with a clean record that can pass a background check, also illegal.

      • Suzanne Panneta

        Snakebit, for all practical purposes you are correct. We both know that the Obama administration’s real goal is not to help these small-timers become legally compliant dealers, but to drive them out of business.

  • GoBoy

    Copied from Armslist.com If you click on the agree button and you are a convicted felon then you have violated the law when you agree to the terms.
    TERMS OF USE
    I am 18 years of age or older.
    I understand that ARMSLIST DOES NOT become involved in transactions between parties and does not certify, investigate, or in any way guarantee the legal capacity of any party to transact.
    I am responsible for obeying all applicable enforcement mechanisms, including, but not limited to federal, state, municipal, and tribal statutes, rules, regulations, ordinances, and judicial decisions, any applicable Presidential Executive Orders, including compliance with all applicable licensing requirements.
    I will not use Armslist.com for any illegal purpose.

    • NRPax

      Had the same list ready to go just in case.

    • Bill2455

      So the local newspaper classified ads do the same thing. Gotcha.

    • Suzanne Panneta

      Lol, and that means what? I don’t think anyone said a felon could legally buy a gun, just that they could do so on the Internet without a background check. If in the same state as the seller, that’s pretty much been established as a true statement.

  • nomorelies343

    How about a radical new program to put violent criminals in prison? Can’t do that!

  • TOM

    Really does this surprise anyone, Really

  • Jeff H

    Every single syllable that comes out of that walking anμs is a coldly calculated lie. There may at times be some miniscule amount of truth mixed in, but only for the purpose of obfuscation.

  • John F

    Obama has a tell so you know when he’s lying- his lips move.

  • Lance Marney

    Rated mostly true^^^^ “http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/jan/05/barack-obama/obama-violent-felons-can-buy-guns-online-without-b/”

  • seedhub

    Except, you know, that Obama’s statement is actually true. But don’t let facts get in the way of your outrage.

    • Suzanne Panneta

      I agree that it’s mostly true, with some “IF’s”, the most significant being that buyer and seller reside in the same state. But the amazing thing is all the presumably pro-gun folks here who swear that, “no, you can’t do that, or no you can’t ship that” etc. etc. Try to tell them of some rights they currently have, and they swear those rights don’t exist. Well, guess what, keep acting that way and pretty soon those rights will be gone.

  • Len

    So more laws….When is this madness going to end. obama can’t even lie right/good…not that lying is right or good.

    I suppose gun sales rocketing or having gone up in prices due to demands by the public after his speeches about ‘gun control’ only occurs in la la land or planet la la make that la la universe.

  • Anthony

    Don’t want to burst anyone’s bubble, but I bought a Springfield handgun last year from a private seller in AZ who posted online. I paid and the firearm arrived at my home in AZ via courier. I was not asked about any felony status, the entire transaction took place online, apart from signing for the package I never spoke to a human. If I had been a felon, no one would’ve been the wiser and the transaction would still have been legal from the seller’s pov because they didn’t ask, and why would they when they want to sell the gun?

    It’s sort of a “Don’t ask, don’t tell” kind of deal with the private transactions I’ve been involved with both online and in person as both a seller and a buyer.

    There’s no incentive at all to ask your buyer if they’re a felon, because if you don’t know they’re a felon you can still sell them the gun legally, the buyer is committing the crime by buying and that’s not my problem. The law doesn’t require me to ask, so I don’t. Even If I asked, you think they’d tell me the truth if they were a felon?

    If it were made easy to run someone through a NICS check before a private sale, I’d happily use the system as I don’t want to sell to a felon or insane person, but currently there’s just no way to really know whether I ask or not.

    If the fed government is interested in expanding background checks, open the system to private sellers and make it easy to run someone.

    They don’t even really have to require its use, no responsible gun owner would sell no-questions-asked to any person if they could easily run their name/dob past the database. Yea you’d get the occasional false positive but if the person is comfy giving your their ssn then run that too or do the transaction through an FFL dealer.

    • snakebit

      You’re not bursting anyone’s bubble. Since both the buyer and seller were residents of AZ then the sale was subject to all AZ state and federal laws governing the sale of a handgun between non-licensees. No different than if you had driven to the seller’s home and completed the transaction at his kitchen table, or anywhere else. The fact that you ordered the gun online and he shipped it to you has no legal significance whatsoever. If you’d purchased the gun at his kitchen table is there a requirement that he ask or you disclose whether you’re a convicted felon any different? Nope.

      While I agree that if the government wanted to increase the number of transactions that involve a background check than they would make the NICS system available to the public free of charge, it’s doubtful that it would have any measurable impact on crime. The entire premise of requiring background checks for private sales presumes that law-abiding gun owners unknowingly (or as you imply, knowingly) sell guns to prohibited persons. The reality is that most criminals get their guns from other criminals or via straw purchases by a friend or relative with a clean record, where both parties know the sale is illegal and aren’t going to conduct a background check no matter what the law is.

      Further, background checks on private sales are unlike to keep guns out of the hands of “insane people.” Cases where mass shooters have a long history of mental illness are common. Cases where mass shooters have been involuntarily committed are extremely rare. An involuntary commitment is required to disqualify someone from owning firearms. That’s a high bar requiring a court order, as it should be to deprive someone of one of their constitutional rights. And even if that requirement is met it may not show up on a NICS check as some states refuse to submit those records to the NICS system because of medical records “privacy.”

      In most cases it is the most liberal, most vehemently anti-gun states such as MA that refuse to do so.

      • Suzanne Panneta

        I have to disagree about not bursting anyone’s bubble. If you read the number of posts from so-called pro 2nd Amendment folks who swore that you can’t ship a gun to a same state buyer, that only FFL’s can ship guns, yada yada. The govt. Is doing a pretty good job of restricting our rights without the help of these ignorant folks who won’t even miss them when rhey are gone.

  • Suzanne Panneta

    Folks, you’ve got rights that a lot of people on this board would like to trick you into thinking don’t exist. Don’t fall for it! Gun rights – use ’em or lose ’em!
    From the ATF website:

    Q-“May a nonlicensee ship a firearm through the U.S. Postal Service?”
    A-“A nonlicensee may mail a shotgun or rifle to a resident of his or her own State or to a licensee in any State. The Postal Service recommends that long guns be sent by registered mail and that no marking of any kind which would indicate the nature of the contents be placed on the outside of any parcel containing firearms.”

    Q-“May a nonlicensee ship a firearm by common or contract carrier?”
    A-“A nonlicensee may ship a firearm by a common or contract carrier to a resident of his or her or her own State or to a licensee in any State. A common or contract carrier must be used to ship a handgun. “

  • Suzanne Panneta

    LOL, is this an anti-gun board? Sure seems like it! The President points out a way to buy firearms that most of you didn’t know about, and you mostly all throw a hissy fit.
    Personally, I think it’s GREAT that I can find and contact an in-state seller ONLINE, make all the payment and shipping arrangements ONLINE, with no background check, no FFL dealer involvement, and the seller can ship to me by US Mail, if a long gun – AR-15, etc. ALL ACCORDING TO THE ATF AND THE POST OFFICE! Got a great deal on my last rifle that way from an elderly dude in Pittsburgh who was getting too old to hunt.

    From the ATF website:
    Q-“May a nonlicensee ship a firearm through the U.S. Postal Service?”
    A-“A nonlicensee may mail a shotgun or rifle to a resident of his or her own State or to a licensee in any State. The Postal Service recommends that long guns be sent by registered mail and that no marking of any kind which would indicate the nature of the contents be placed on the outside of any parcel containing firearms.”

    Q-“May a nonlicensee ship a firearm by common or contract carrier?”
    A-“A nonlicensee may ship a firearm by a common or contract carrier to a resident of his or her or her own State or to a licensee in any State. A common or contract carrier must be used to ship a handgun. ”

    From USPS.COM:
    “Subject to state, territory, or district regulations, rifles and shotguns may be mailed without restriction when sent within the same state of mailing.” Meaning if no state/local laws (much of the country) shipping a rifle or shotgun WITHIN YOUR STATE is fine without either of you being a dealer.

    • Warden

      You seem to forget….NONE of this is legal if the owner, gift giver, buyer, seller, gift receiver, etc is banned from owning a firearm of any kind (aka FELON). If you’re legally allowed to have a gun then there’s no problem but most of us weren’t arguing about the people that already have them, legally & can purchase them legally (NOT FELONS). Obama said a felon could buy a gun online legally no questions asked, sure they can from an individual and then both parties have broken the law (still illegal, so he’s wrong), can’t buy it from an official source online, you have to go through FFL and checks, so still wrong, again.

      • Suzanne Panneta

        I’m not forgetting anything. You want to show me where Obama said “legally”? All he said was “without a background check”. A a bunch of people on this forum have said it’s impossible under any circumstances, legally or not.

        • Warden

          Obviously you don’t understand context. When he said “A violent felon can buy the exact same weapon over the internet with no background check, no questions asked.” He wasn’t talking about a deal between moron #1 and moron #2 in a darknet chat room. He was referring to the way most normal people shop for guns online. Yes a person can contact another person and complete a private sale without background checks or questions, if one of them was not allowed to have a gun it’s still ILLEGAL. If you buy a gun online NOT FROM A PRIVATE PARTY YOU MORON, you HAVE to go to a FFL dealer to pick it up AFTER your background check clears. I am well aware of how we can and cannot purchase guns. My original comment was referring specifically to buying guns online from a “store” not a private party. Please for the love of w/e delusion you believe in work on your reading comprehension skills.

          • Suzanne Panneta

            1. I don’t think Armslist.com is a darknet chat room, or that everyone there is a moron (your favorite insult LOL???!!!) – that’s where I bought a rifle totally online and had it shipped to my house, delivered by my mailman (who was pretty impressed with the deal I got). Yes, I actually told him to be on the lookout for it because the tracking number the seller sent me indicated it would be coming the next day.
            2. “My original comment was referring specifically to buying guns online from a “store” not a private party.” Oh, gee, sorry if we misinterpreted you, you’re not very good with words. But I WAS very clear that I wasn’t talking about a “store”, just an online purchase between private parties.
            3. The topic here is whether the President’s tweet was true. He didn’t say anything about a “store”, and he didn’t say anything about “legal”. Even you, with your limited grasp of your 2nd Amendment rights, realized that it would be illegal for a felon to purchase. He said online without a background check. You CAN do that under some circumstances. Which is what I said.
            My final advice to you to you is NOT to do an of the things I showed are perfectly legal. It’s not for nanny-staters.

          • Warden

            Armslist is not a store, it’s a giant classified ….if you look in their FAQ it SPECIFICALLY says “Armslist is purely a service provider that allows sellers to list items. As such, Armslist can not and will not be a party in transactions.” I referenced the chat rooms because that’s usually where the illegal sales go on, I think that part went over your head.

            All you’re doing is bouncing from comment to comment trying to make people look bad. I made a specific valid point, all you’re doing is trying to invalidate it with something different. It won’t work btw because it’s still valid and will be until the law changes.

            His tweet is still not true because he specifically referenced a felon and gun purchasing which defaults to….ILLEGAL in any medium and you still have no normal understanding of context.

            Nanny stater? Really, you are complete s–t at interpretation…and this is ENGLISH …. you know why I call you a moron, because when it comes to whatever you think of me and you think I know and your attempts at insulting me you’re so far from accurate that’s just the easiest way to explain it to you without wasting too much time.

            I hope you don’t actually treat people like this face to face because if wherever you live pulls a Kalifornia and “you lose your guns because you scared someone” law is passed…..you’ll be one of the first to go.

            You’re biggest mistake was thinking I cared about anything you have done. I don’t.

          • Suzanne Panneta

            “Armslist is not a store, it’s a giant classified”
            You are correct, who said it was?

          • Suzanne Panneta

            “you lose your guns because you scared someone”

            Who did I scare?

          • Suzanne Panneta

            BTW, this is the earliest post I could find from you on this topic. “All legal online gun purchases require FFL.” No mention of store.

          • Suzanne Panneta

            “You’re biggest mistake was thinking I cared about anything you have done. I don’t.”
            Well, that’s a relief!!!!!!

          • Suzanne Panneta

            “Nanny stater? Really, you are complete s–t at interpretation”
            Most of your posts have been about what people CAN’T do. I’d say there’s a health does of nanny stater there. I’d rather spend time expaining to people what they CAN do with their 2nd Amendment rights.