Somebody at the Associated Press should have given this tweet some extra proofreading before publishing:


Minutes later, the AP “clarified” what they intended to say::

That’s much more accurate.

  • SpaceRacer423

    Why did the AP feel the need to put the word “crash” in there in the first place?
    Is it even considered a “crash” when the plane was shot out of the sky?

    • journogal

      I think, and I don’t have the guidebook handy (or the Internet site up), according to the AP stylebook, “crash” is to be used in the headline with further clarification in the article.

    • Infinite_Indeterminism

      Crash = uncontrolled landing.

      Yeah, shot down is one version of crash, as is the plane that hit Empire State Building in (I think) 1947…

      • SpaceRacer423

        I will concede your definition and still argue Flight 17 was not a crash.
        “landing” suggest an aircraft hit the earth.
        Flight 17 was hit by a SAM and turned into 100,000+ pieces while still at 30,000 feet.

        • Infinite_Indeterminism

          “Uncontrolled” is usually well understood, I find it curious that you insist on its absence from the expression.

          • SpaceRacer423

            I didnt insist on its absence.
            I argued that what “landed” stopped being an aircraft 30k feet before touching the earth.
            However in this case engilsh is just a really poor language.
            Your definition of “uncontrolled landing” doesnt account for events like the 9-11 attackers who were very much in controll of the planes they “crashed” into the WTC.
            Honestly, I like your definition.
            Its just that the english language isnt the most descriptive and often requires the same word to express many different meanings.
            I guess defining crash is like defining love.
            You love your wife, kids, parents, dog and tacos,
            but none of those relationships or feelings are really the same…..hopefully.

          • Infinite_Indeterminism

            Uncontrolled landings ARE crashes – and I never said they were the only type of crashes possible; indeed I pointed out one other version of crash that was a result of controlled flight.

            Kindly read what’s written – not what your imagination might want to spin out of it.

      • johnstretton

        Landing = controlled crash. Truth.

        • Infinite_Indeterminism

          No comment…


  • carmenta

    Is English the first language of the AP?

    Does no one learn grammar and sentence structure anymore?

    • journogal

      Would you believe AP is suppose to set the standard in journalistic writing? Newsrooms require articles to follow AP guidelines, which are updated yearly and are complicated and confusing (especially comma rules.)
      Yes, this is supposedly the standard that every newspaper wants to achieve.

      • carmenta

        All part of our ‘common humanity’ Im sure, (emphasis on ‘common’)

        • journogal

          The poor dinosaur (AP) has not adjusted well with Al Gore’s invention of the Internet.

      • Stephen L. Hall #NonquamTrump

        Once upon a time they were a reputable organization . . . mind you that’s been about 30 years ago.

        • Bagga

          really?..or were they always the shite cite it is?…maybe we are just finding out.

      • SpaceRacer423

        I think I still have my old AP, MLA, and Chicago turabian style guide somewhere.
        Its from 2000, so I guess its just a coaster now.

    • BigTBoom

      The main focus is on the vocabulary section of the AP style book these days, not grammar.

      • carmenta

        There is a wonderful book, came out a few years ago

        Eats shoots and leaves.

        Many a ‘clutch your sides laughing’ moment!

        • NotBuyingItEvenForADollar

          I love the stickers included in the book to do a little ‘street’ editing.

    • journogal

      More than likely this is an intern in charge of their social media account. Not sure what they teach in J-School anymore.

    • DwellsInFire

      They were too lazy to put a comma between “crash, landed”. Seems like even with a 140 character limit they had plenty of room for one.

      • Infinite_Indeterminism

        Or they could have substituted the word “wreck”…

        • SpaceRacer423

          or they could have left it out all together as it was not needed.

          “Dutch military plane, carrying bodies from Malaysia Airlines Flight 17, lands in Eindhoven.”

      • silverpie

        Actually, you’d need two commas: “Dutch military plane, carrying bodies from Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 crash, lands in Eindhoven.” If you need character count, abbreviate “Flight” to “Flt” and you’re good to go.

        • SisterMary

          Some commas, like socks, always come in pairs.

      • Donald-Now2x/Sarc-w/0calories

        Yes, punctuation is just as important as correct word choice or phrasing.
        Consider these three words with or without proper punctuation:
        Let’s eat Grandma
        Let’s eat, Grandma

    • SisterMary

      It hasn’t been for quite some time.

      And no, no one pays attention anymore — not anyone. It is like fingernails on a chalkboard to me when I hear people use the past perfect incorrectly; i.e. “I seen it” instead of “I have seen it.” Well, you get my drift, I’m sure.

      /rant over

    • Republicanvet

      Real journalism as opposed to just a blogger right?

    • Zach Smith

      Articles are generally left out of headlines, which often leads to ambiguity, just as in this case.

  • garygramscom

    If a news organization is going to have an official twitter account, they should consider hiring a professional writer….. oh wait.

  • Ghee!

    Sensationalism at all costs, even grammar and context. The media’s priority.

  • LegalizeShemp

    The Associated Pukes got something wrong? Definitely a first !

  • Duane_of_Dibbley

    Fewer words = greater clarity. Who knew?

  • notenoughtime

    Guess proofreading is no longer needed to send out a tweet or write an article at the AP. You would think proofreading would rank slightly above fact finding.

    • SisterMary

      It’s not like they do a lot of the latter anyway…

  • Lord Discord

    I’m sure when they get around to ‘apologizing’ for the poor wording, they will use the very professional phrase of: ‘My Bad’.

  • Don Burton

    Written by this guy, possibly:

  • Don Burton

    Written by this guy, maybe?

  • Stephen L. Hall #NonquamTrump

    Punctuation is a good thing.

  • Right Wired ✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

    They still misspelled ‘victims’.

    • NotBuyingItEvenForADollar

      They misspelled ‘tragedy’

  • ledzepp8

    Ever heard of a comma? How do these people graduate from journalism school?

  • NotBuyingItEvenForADollar

    Be fair! It’s not as if they make their livelihoods using written communication. /

  • Rogue Cheddar

    Rachel Jeantel: That’s real retarded sir.

  • arttie

    Ahh, we now see the importance of the comma.

  • Steve__Jacobson

    To say that was “bad writing” is to give bad writing a bad name. It was sloppy and lazy writing.

  • walterc

    Good thing they use real professional journalists at the AP. Can you imagine how bad a “real” journalist/blogger would have screwed it up? /sarc These people are an embarrassment.

  • Aaron1960

    RT: AP crashes as Dutch flight carrying remains of flight 17 lands.

  • Ken Alan Draper

    The pilot, Mr. Ted Stryker was uninjured but the copilot Mr. Otto Pilot suffered a small air leak & had to be manually reinflated by the Stewerdess.

  • therealguyfaux ✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

    Sister Mary Immaculate would have rapped me across the knuckles for that bit of writing. “Remains of bodies from MH 17 downing arrive in Eindhoven aboard Dutch military plane” would have said the exact same thing with no ambiguity.

    That said, wouldn’t a plane meeting an untimely collision with the ground be said to “crash-land,” including the hyphen to indicate a restrictive kind of adverb, or something like that there?

  • gone

    In an effort to deflect much deserved criticism over a poorly worded tweet, AP will karaoke the Weather Girls, It’s Raining Men, with a backdrop of downed flight 17.

  • John Kerry’s Forehead

    Pretty funny, I have to admit…took me a minute but, yep, funny.

  • gena123

    Apparently no one at the AP knows how to use punctuation….

  • genes ✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

    What a difference the lack of a comma can make. LOL.

  • Michelle ✓classified

    Even the correction is poorly written. It should read, “Dutch military plane carrying victims of Malaysia Airline Flight 17 arrives in Eindhoven.”

  • Michael

    In tweet #1: The plane crashed.
    In tweet #2: The plane didn’t crash.

    Sorry, AP, that’s not a “clarification.” That’s a retraction and a new tweet. Also known as a “correction.”

    Terrible journalism. A clarification and a correction are not the same.

  • Markward