As Twitchy reported on Sunday, a gunman killed three people at two Jewish centers in the Overland Park suburb of Kansas City.

More is being learned about the identity and background of the suspected shooter:

There are questions about the alleged shooter’s political affiliation, and we stress the preliminary nature of examinations of available information:

A presumably rhetorical question:

https://twitter.com/AgainstTheLeft/status/455566054744682496

Twitchy sends continued thoughts and prayers to the families of those affected by this horrible crime.

  • Republicanvet

    Former ‘KKK grand dragon’

    Given the history of Democrats and the KKK, likely more a D than an R.

    • Tugger – ✓unamused

      Likely more a (L)unatic. Who cares what party this a-hole belonged to. Just execute him and get it over with.

    • Pope Ratzo

      Think he was an Obama voter?

      • Republicanvet

        He certainly has the unhinged nut part down.

      • Determined

        Umm – likely no.

        • Hey, That’s Pretty Good

          Seems more likely he’d vote for anyone who he wasn’t raised to hate. He probably voted for Killary in the 2008 Primaries.

      • LloydTheDuck

        His hatred of what he called the “mud people” makes that more than doubtful.

      • KayGee

        seriously? I mean, I wouldn’t put it past the grand ol’ twitchy crowd to try and push him off of the conserva-boat as fast as possible, but I can guarantee you, this man did not vote for Obama in either of the elections. However, despite reality, you can choose to believe whatever you wish. After all, the fact that the southern strategy happened and flipped the south from D to R is another one of those oft-refuted facts simply because of how inconvenient it is for the whole “we’re still the same party of Lincoln and civil rights and MLK” narrative.

        • Markward

          That’s funny with LBJ’s “We’ll have those (N-word) voting for us.”

          Keep sticking fingers in your ears. YOU are the party of hate.

  • http://steamcommunity.com/id/pwag42 Swagner

    Quick question: How did this idiot manage to get 7 people to vote for him?

    • Republicanvet

      Likely for the same reason why Barky had people voting for him. Some people are clueless.

    • Conservative First

      it’s called the 12% factor as coined by Larry Elder, related to the idea that you can get 12% of the population to believe in anything, like Elvis still being alive, etc.

      • allyall

        Wha – what?! Elvis is dead?

        • Ken Alan Draper

          Don’t believe it, I saw him in walmart the other day buying peanut butter, Bisquick, bananas, & Wonderbread.

        • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHY_xOj2M_g PistolsForPandas

          Well, at least we still have Jim Morrison, Jimi Hendrix, Kurt Cobain, and Amy Winehouse…

          • journogal

            Weren’t they all seen recently, holding a seance to contact Elvis?

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHY_xOj2M_g PistolsForPandas

            Exactly! It was held at the Kalamazoo Burger King where Elvis worked from ’77 to his natural death in 2005. It got a little awkward when Michael Jackson showed up.

          • Nahalban

            you forgot janis joplin and mama cass

    • Eric D. Mertz #NeverTrump

      Because MO is the state of William Quantrill and the source of the bushwackers who carried out the Lawrence Massacre and helped extend the “Bleeding Kansas” period. In all seriousness, and putting aside the Border War, MO does have more of a racist problem than KS does.

      • LloydTheDuck

        Pre-statehood Missouri was a slave territory, so no surprise. Not to say Kansas has had no racism — Brown vs Board of Education involved Topeka, after all — but Kansans fought and paid a price in blood to keep their territory free of the evil of slavery, and when it came to civil rights, honorable Kansas Republicans like Bob Dole (reviled as a RINO now, natch) consistently voted for civil rights.

    • TomJB

      Assuming he voted for himself, he was 73 – probably 6 members of his family.

  • http://www.IKnowbo.com/ Slam1263

    Aaaah, let the apologists for the Party of the KKK, commence their whaargrble.

    • Ms. Abigail van Beagle

      They’re busily trying to rewrite history and working on the complete work of fiction about how the racist democrats traded places with some of the non-racist republicans of the time to form the sweet, loving non-racist democrat party of today and the racist republican party of today. You could fertilize all of the cornfields in Minnesota with that one.

  • LinTaylor ✓vitrified

    I agree with Bob Owens, this guy was obviously just using whatever party he thought could get him into power. Trying to tie him to the Democrats, the Republicans, or anyone else is pointless; he’s nothing more than a dangerous animal in human form.

    • tops116 ✓Quipper

      That said, I think we can all agree that if he only ran as a Republican, the media would be banging that drum day and night.

    • Pope Ratzo

      How is this not terrorism?

      • LinTaylor ✓vitrified

        When did I say it wasn’t? The guy ran around a Jewish community center shooting indiscriminately and apparently shouted “Heil Hitler” – so yes, inflicting terror on those poor people was very much his aim.

  • Hirogen

    I can’t be the only one who finds this incredibly pathetic and tacky. These poor people’s bodies are barely cold and the biggest priority on some minds is “He’s a democrat. He’s a republican. He was a democrat eight minutes longer than he was a republican.”

    Can you give it a rest at least until morning?!

    • syvyn11

      Democrats and the MSM never give us that luxury.

    • tops116 ✓Quipper

      Odd, I don’t recall the Left being too concerned with “these poor people’s bodies are barely cold” after the Boston bombing last year when they were trying to blame it on the Tea Party.

      You’re just upset that you can’t blame it all on Republicans, so stuff your self-righteous hypocrisy.

      • unknown

        Don’t forget what Brian Ross tried to do after the Aurora theater shooting

      • journogal

        I also recalled how the left immediately blamed Limbaugh and Palin for Loughner, hours after it was reported. In fact, some on the left went as far as creating mock FB pages for Loughner that had him liking Palin’s pages.

      • Republicanvet

        How long did Brian Ross take before he named the Aurora shooter as a member of the Tea Party?

        How long did it take him or other media outlets to correct it?

      • OLLPOH ~ OurLifeLiberty

        Yay! Yay! :’)

        We will not allow a white flag planted on her soil…
        OLLPOH ~ Our Life Liberty Pursuit Of Happiness
        (Mr. and Mrs.)

    • Linda

      I agree…specially since it makes no difference.

    • Zach Peterson

      It’s morning.

    • http://twitter.com/thetugboatphil TugboatPhil

      Why didn’t you just log off when you heard the news?

    • Hey, That’s Pretty Good

      I’m sorry, but when has the MSM ever let any bodies cool?

      When Newton happened, the kids hadn’t been dead even an hour and the left-wing media was using it to push for Anti-Gun agendas. As soon as the Boston Bombing happened the liberal media was claiming it was “a white, right-wing extremist.”

      Maybe you should tell your side to stop immediately jumping the gun if it bothers you so much.

    • Markward

      Where were you when After Sandy hook you libs were demanding blood from Gun Owners and the NRA. So take your self righteousness and shove it until you take your side to task like you are doing now.,

  • http://www.blogger.com/profile/15458282944035344707 repsac3

    We won’t REALLY know what groups to lay the blame for this guy on until we know whether he was right or left-handed, the home country of the company that made the car he drove, and how long it’d been since he last visited a dentist.

    Some facts are relevant, and some just ain’t.

    (And even if were to come out that he thought Republican or Democratic or Libertarian ideology somehow justified killing Jews or anyone else, that’s no reason that we should give credence to his claims or ourselves place blame on the members of each/any/all of those political ideologies. The guy don’t strike me as being right in the head, and as such, looking to him for what to believe about any political party don’t seem all that smart.)

    • Linda

      Well said. He has a long history with the KKK, which seems to be the most relevant association. Although there is much hate rhetoric by SOME of all political parties, no political party is known for hate crimes whereas the KKK is.

      • Mark81150 Never/Trump/Hillary

        Referrence your history of the democrat party from 1866 to 1900, you’d be surprised to learn that democrats ran openly as members of the KKK. Senator Robert Byrd, democrat, was also a former grand wizard of the KKK.

        The fact is, the democrats have had a long incestuious relationship with the Klan, they may now have broken all those ties, but don’t try and say they did not exist, because theg’re well documented. Just as the democrats were the pro-slavery party, that history isn’t something you just forget.

        When you have race agitaters on MSNBC telling their viewers that Lincoln was a democrat, and the Republicans fought against the 64 civil rights act, both bald faced lies,.. you can’t help but be pretty sure there is a massive disinformation campaign going on in the academic circles of the left to white out history that is uncomfortable for modern democrats.

        that said, no, I don’t believe democrats are currently tied to the klan, or have been for a few decades. Don’t you really think that the democrats would be better served by telling the full truth?

        Americans believe in redemption, that you can remake yourself into a better human being, admitting their parties past, while also admitting, no the racist dixicrats did not all suddenly become the hated republicans would be a start.. That’s a meme highly popular in leftist academic circles, right up there with the national socialists weren’t really socialists, not on the left… but secretly really on the right… a meme destroyed by even a casual read of Hitler’s own writings.

        T he point is, yes, democrats were known as a party of hate, Fredrick Douglas especially spoke about it….

        • Linda

          Hmmm, I wasn’t denying the history…I was just saying it has nothing to do with today’s current parties. (BTW, I don’t watch any of the TV news media such as MSNBC, CNN, Fox.)

          Even if some might try to rewrite history, that can only result in a big fail. Not sure why you say that Democrats would be better served by telling the full truth. That’s too much of a generalization. Perhaps we should only blame the news media instead of the parties for fostering twisted truths. They are dangerous in their reporting because too many people accept what they say, never once questioning or doing their own research. Just as the right dislike the left-leaning news agencies, the left dislikes the right-leaning news agencies. I know I usually check most claims for myself but not everyone has the time or the inclination. I honestly don’t know what the answer is to curbing the news media.

          • TomJB

            Do “today’s current parties” include 2010? When Senator Byrd died, the Democrats in Congress and Bill Clinton all praised the man. True, 2010 is history but I don’t think the Democrat Party has undergone some major seismic shift in the past 4 years…

          • thebigguy128

            I could never figure this out. Trent Lott was forced to stand down as Republican Leader in the Senate when he said some nice things about Strom Thrumond on the occasion of Thurmond’s 100th Birthday. Clinton, Obama, and the rest of the usual gang of idiots praise a senator who actually recruited members into the KKK and all we hear is crickets.

            If it weren’t for the double standards, lib/progs/democrats wouldn’t have any standards at all.

        • LloydTheDuck

          It’s no use for Republicans to hearken back to the days of Lincoln and Grant, reviled by todays Southern-fried GOP. The Republican Party basically gave up on civil rights in 1876, when they cut a deal with Southern Democrats to seat Hayes as president after that year’s razor-thin election. Please be advised that all of the few Southern Republicans in Congress at the time voted against the Civil Rights Act of 1964: http://curricublog.wordpress.com/2009/11/26/1964-civil-rights-parties-voting/ Support for segregation was a consensus position for white Southerners at the time, whether they were Democrats, Republicans, or neither.

  • Linda

    I see a few comments have been made focusing on the history of the KKK and the Democratic party. This is what is called a spurious argument: it throws in a lot of information that has NO relevance to today. Political parties evolve or devolve over time as society’s viewpoints evolve or devolve. Deal with TODAY. This man’s act was a hate crime…blame his KKK association for that. Trying to make it a Democrat vs Republican party thing only serves to foster more hate.

    • Stephen L. Hall #NonquamTrump

      Whether is has relevance to this individual and his purported actions is certainly questionable. But to pretend that such history “has NO relevance to today” is a spurious argument when people repeatedly slander Republicans and whitewash Democrats.

      • Linda

        How does it have relevance? How does it contribute to Republicans being repeatedly slandered and the Democrats being whitewashed? BTW, not asking to be a smartalec…just trying to understand how it is so.

        • Mark81150 Never/Trump/Hillary

          Do you watch MSNBC?… They regularly play this game.

          A network which routinely tries to rewrite the past to use it as a club to beat down any republican commentary as illegitimate, tainted,… while people like Al Sharpton on CNN paints a cartoon colored world of all democrats beinf sajntly, and ALL republicans racists is galling as all Hell.

          You want to know why there is such pushback here?

          The simplest answer is not ideology, it’s just being damned tired of being slandered everyday of the week by the left’s pundits as the inheritors of the Klan’s legacy. Try reading what that tool Howard Dean writes, or anything from Slate or Salon, the Atlantic, the New York Times..

          when my daughter came home in tears from class in 08
          because being “hat day” she wore my veferans cap to school, and it had a McCain/Palin button on it, she was ridiculed, berated in class by a 50 year old science teacher
          obot for having a “racist” father… he bullied my daughter in class, because she dared be born to a republican dad..

          I called to complain, and the schools response?

          To call me an anti-gay bigot because the teacher was gay.. when I never even brought it up. So that teacher gets away with building an Obama shrine in his classroom, because his gay status renders him immune to things like being held to account for verbally abusing kids whose parents he doesn’t like for political reasons.

          This kind of stuff is the past matters,.. because activists are usjng distortions to rebrand the pafty of emancipation into the Klan party, and doing so not just on TV but on a personal level, like that old freak who bullied a 5th grader,
          because her dad dared to dissent from his personal dogma..

          you’ll forgive us, if these daily attacks leave scars.

          • journogal

            Well stated…

          • Linda

            No, I don’t watch MSNBC but I am aware that they are biased and untruthful to suit their commentaries. Conversely, so is Fox only in the other direction. Thank goodness we have the net to verify info. In my response to you on another comment, I said I don’t know what we can do to get the news media back to reporting the news rather than commenting on it.

            That teacher was wrong…that school is wrong. I’m sorry your daughter endured that. I hope you’ve not dropped the issue and pursuing the matter.

          • Mark81150 Never/Trump/Hillary

            At the time, I was going through a reconstruction of my cervical spine, so I wasn’t getting ar I und well, and we were living with my brother, my former employer had dumped me because my workers comp claims were “expensive”,.. no lawyer, we were in effect homeless staying with family as my wife worked, and workers comp was paying to rebuild thd parts of my spine that were broken..

            I took it as far as a PTA meeting, where after I spoke, other parents spoke out, so while there was no overt disciplinary action, he soon retired.

            I know some democrats say that about Fox, but it’s not true, Fox leans right, but always allows the liberal view to be heard, something MSNBC, NBC CBS, ABC, CNN, NPR and PBS never allow with our point of view.

            Pew when they polled different opinions about news shows found that of all of them, Fox was by far the most trusted, 37%.. CNN and MSNBC together didn’t get near that, at 19%… combined. FOX is more trusted by the American public than all three legacy networks, ABC CBS NBC…

            What you liberal friends tell you is wrong, nno news network is perfect, but considering the palace guard attitude of the others in protecting Obama from his own scandals…. you cannot trust the others to fairly present both sides.

            This is a pretty mainstream view, and Pew is hardly known for being friendly to the right.

            61% of America doesn’t trust the news media, and find it biased hard to the democrats, so why would we ever trust them?

          • Linda

            Sorry to hear about your health issue. Your speaking at the PTA which encouraged others to speak out too was pursuing it. Retirement was the result..bravo.

          • Hank_Scorpio

            Please cite for us when Fox has been dishonest.

          • Hey, That’s Pretty Good

            Libs call Fox reporting on the things MSNBC, CNN, CBS, and NBC refuse to is dishonest. If they’d bury everything that makes Messiah look bad, then Linda would call them honest.

          • Hank_Scorpio

            Whenever I hear a liberal say that Fox lies, I always ask them to give me some examples. Without fail, they ALWAYS use the Fox and Friends moment regarding the “Official Seal”. I’ve never gotten an instance where their news reporting was false.
            And that’s all they’ve got. So basically they like it when MSNBC and CNN and the NYT lie to them, but when they’re told the truth or the other side of a story, they stamp their feet and screech like Linda is doing here.

          • Elizabeth

            I can relate because almost the same thing happened to my son when he was in 8th grade in 2008. They did a mock election for president and my son voted for McCain/Palin and instantly was called a racist by some of his classmates. I was pissed but my son didn’t want me to complain to the school. He had a pretty thick skin to begin with but if anything, I think that incident has strengthened his core beliefs. He’s quite the libertarian right now and there are a few things that we disagree on but I couldn’t be prouder of the strong, independent person that he has become! He will be going off to college in the fall and I’m fairly certain he will never fall to left wing indoctrination. God knows, he will argue for his beliefs until the other side gives up from exhaustion. That’s from my own experience!

          • Mark81150 Never/Trump/Hillary

            Good for him….. my daughter, like your son, is leaning libertarian, the young coming of age are leaning that way now, when my generation leaned conservative… Carter had that effect on teens….

            I wish my daughter was more serious about God, but, give her time. I’m not pushing,. She’ll find her way like I did… all I can do is lead by example,.. and give her the tools to find her faith.

          • SWMichMan

            I agree with your points, but Rev. Al is on MSNBC.

        • Hank_Scorpio

          Well, just look at your statement above. You’re whitewashing democrat involvement with the KKK.
          “I see a few comments have been made focusing on the history of the KKK and the Democratic party. This is what is called a spurious argument: it throws in a lot of information that has NO relevance to today. Political parties evolve or devolve over time as society’s viewpoints evolve or devolve.”
          You probably don’t even realize you’re doing it. But denying the democrat party’s association with the KKK, and the influence this association has had in democrat policies is intellectually dishonest.

          • Linda

            I NEVER denied the history or tried to whitewash that fact. I don’t know how the heck you came that conclusion based on what I said. I don’t think it has any relevance to the shooter’s political belief..deal with both parties as they are TODAY.

          • Hank_Scorpio

            “This is what is called a spurious argument: it throws in a lot of information that has NO relevance to today”
            It most certainly does have relevance today because it influenced the democrat policies still holding down minorities. In regards to this individual that killed those people then yes I agree, his party affiliation has no relevance.

          • Linda

            In how we got today, yes, that is true. But I don’t know why you think I said or implied otherwise.

          • Hank_Scorpio

            Your whole statement about political parties “evolving”, is a precursor to saying that the history of a party has no relevance. You’re implying that democrat history shouldn’t be considered when examining the party today. That’s what grownups call “whitewashing”…..

          • Linda

            First let me say that I might think you’re trying to have a reasonable exchange if you didn’t use phrases such as “That’s what grownups…”

            What exactly am I whitewashing????? Give me a specific example.

          • Hank_Scorpio

            Well, grownups actually read things. Like when I specifically cited exactly what you said word for word and explained why that was whitewashing.

          • Linda

            I’m not going to beat my head against the wall with you.

          • Hank_Scorpio

            Which translates to “I’m not intellectually honest enough to deal with the facts…”

    • carmenta

      TODAY, we have 50 years of Democrat rule in Detroit and a city that is so broken, so depressed, so utterly without hope, one wonders why they keep voting for the same thing, over and over again. TODAY we have a Democrat administration that considers passing bills before reading them to be the most advantageous position and the consequences be damned among so many scandalous actions by the Democrats!

      • Linda

        This has no relevance to the topic at hand.

        • Mark81150 Never/Trump/Hillary

          Maybe not.. but it colors everything we hear when democrats tell us they have the answers..

          Experience suggests otherwise.

    • Hank_Scorpio

      Rarely do I agree with you Linda, but this is a half-decent statement. The only issue I have is with your moral relativism regarding “evolving political parties”. If you’re going to be intellectually honest, you have to admit that the social policies championed by democrats for decades have kept minorities, especially blacks, oppressed through government dependency instead of lynching.
      That, however, doesn’t diminish your statement regarding this individual and his actions. He was fueled by his own hate, not by a political party.

  • Joel A. Edge

    Keeping in mind that he’s a “suspect” and that I also read of the SPLC involvement, I would give him a big benefit of the doubt.

    • Linda

      Can you clarify…how was SPLC involved? And, what does giving him the benefit of the doubt mean? BTW, I’m not trying to be a smartalec in asking, just trying to understand your point.

      • Joel A. Edge

        Two articles, one on FOX and one on CNN, quoted SPLC articles. Considering a recent report of the FBI dropping the SPLC as a source, I hope the FBI didn’t fall back on bad habits. I’m not saying he isn’t a valid suspect. The SPLC seems to have become an organization to promote the SPLC.

        • Linda

          Before responding, I did do my research. (Hate to tell you that the report of the FBI dropping the SPLC isn’t true since you seem to think they can’t be trusted.) Regardless, the reporting makes no difference in him being a suspect…it only makes a difference in the speculation of what motivated him. I found this in the Kansas City Star newspaper website: “He’s a longtime white nationalist who has spent decades promoting anti-Semitic conspiracy theories and has had various run-ins with the law,” said Devin Burghart of the Institute for Research and Education on Human Rights.”

          Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/2014/04/13/4958623/racist-views-a-prison-record.html#storylink=cpy

          • Joel A. Edge

            One of the same articles I read. At the same time that the story came out about the FBI dropping the SPLC one my buddies noted the same thing you did. They’re still linked. As far the SPLC not being trustworthy, they’re not.

          • Linda

            As I have time, I’ll have to do some research on SPLC…this is the first time I’m hearing that they aren’t trustworthy.

          • Adam Wood

            The SPLC called the Family Research Council a “terrorist organization,” which was the DIRECT cause of Floyd Corkins deciding to shoot the place up in August of 2012. Even other Leftist extremists are backing away from the SPLC, who call pretty much any non-Leftist commentator and/or organization a “hate group,” but quickly dropped people like radicalized Leftist extremists specifically advocating hatred and violence, such and the NOI and the NBPP, from their list of “hate groups.”

            They have less than zero credibility.

          • http://www.blogger.com/profile/15458282944035344707 repsac3

            Yeah, it wasn’t Son of Sam’s fault either… It was that damned dog who told him to do it that was to blame.

          • Joel A. Edge

            Here’s an interesting article from the SPLC.
            http://bit.ly/1iMo6EA

            There’s a problem. The accompanying picture isn’t even a tobacco barn. You couldn’t cure tobacco in that thing if you wanted to.

          • Linda

            OK, so what’s the point? That SPLC cannot be trusted? If that were true for this story the state of KY wouldn’t have acted and levied fines.

          • Joel A. Edge

            I can’t find anywhere Kentucky even leveled fines. I can’t even find RCB farms. The only link I can find is to the SPLC article. (That and “socialjusticenow” which links back to the SPLC) Do you own research, but don’t get on their bad side.

          • Mark81150 Never/Trump/Hillary

            The SPLC is now little more than a democrat attack dog..

            When they declared the Tea Party a racist hate group, they excluded themselves from talking with the grown ups.. Their proof?… the bald faced lie by Rep. Lewis that he was called the n word as he and a dozen others, pelosi giant gavel in hand waded into the tea party rally hoping to provoke just that response, cell phones raised high by his aides to catch the slurs he was begging for..

            And they didn’t record a tbing, nothing,.. even a 100,000 dollar reward for a recording of them being called racist names turned up nothing.

            But on cue, the SPLC, the NAACP, and the CBC all…. declared the tea party as racist as the klan.. because no one can ever criticise “their” president without being a racist, him so perfect and stuff…

            it is being naive bordering on delusional to think they aren’t being racist tbdmselves when they tell you That nobody can criticize Obama, evrr, because it ‘s racist..

            because we so didn’t loathe Clinton and Carter…. being white, or ever complain about them…

            oh wait, we did…

          • http://www.freedomreconnection.com/ FreedomRecon

            You are very trusting that the government will do the right thing and the media will report them if they don’t. I’m not saying this to be snarky, or pick an argument, just basing that on this comment, and others like this, you have made. One thing I have noticed with people that lean right, their first instinct is to NOT trust these entities, because that’s what our founding fathers told us.

  • therealguyfaux ✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

    A convicted felon with a firearm. How’s that whole gun control thingie workin’ out for ya? But you see, people like this are the wet dream of the gun grabber Left, so they can kinda let it pass that he circumvented all kinds of laws, because it’s so obvious that you gotta have a hater kill people occasionally just so you can paint the people you don’t like as being “another F.G. Miller”: “When will the NEXT racist RWNJ Teabagger like Miller strike? We need to get rid of all the guns!”

    • Stephen L. Hall #NonquamTrump

      Banning guns because someone violated gun laws is like banning property because of a thief.

      • carmenta

        Banning food because someone is fat. Banning cars because someone crashed.

        • Storm Saxon’s Gall Bladder

          Or banning the internet because someone offend you… oh dear that is exactly what is about to happen. This free speech stuff is fun while it’s lasting.

        • http://www.freedomreconnection.com/ FreedomRecon

          Crash free zones. That’ll fix that. :/

        • Ms. Abigail van Beagle

          Hey, I think someone is trying that whole “banning food because fat” thing.

  • Gallatin

    FOX News Radio ✔
    @foxnewsradio
    Officials say suspect in Kansas Jewish center shootings is white supremacist & ex-Carolina KKK grand dragon

    So he is a DEMOCRAT.

    • Pope Ratzo

      I doubt a white supremacist is an Obama voter.

      • Ms. Abigail van Beagle

        Why not?
        Dem policies keep minorities beholden to the government, right where white supremacists would want them to be.
        The dems have wooed blacks and Hispanics with lines about how America owes them due to slavery and the “it’s not their fault they were born in Mexico” sympathy line. So the dems lure them in with sympathy and promises of being taken care of in exchange for votes. In that picture, tell us who is the supreme one? Not the people of color who rely on the government for their sustenance. They are subordinate. The outcome IS white supremacy.
        That is why a white supremacist would vote dem-to keep his supremacy over people of color firmly in place.
        That and their history as the founders of the KKK and opponents of civil rights.

      • Gallatin

        Since big city democrats, and yes this includes obama, want blacks to unarmed and unable to defend themselves I believe a white supremacist would and did vote for obama—twice.

  • Eric D. Mertz #NeverTrump

    I remember hearing this guy’s radio ads back during his “run for the Senate” in 2010. He almost exclusively aired them on KMBZ, and people actually tried to force them off the air over this. Granted, with them playing Beck, Limbaugh, and Levin, it was just a pretext for their larger war on KMBZ.

  • Perry

    You can’t blame a political party or a State for someone’s actions. We all have free will. Got that from day one. Might as well just blame everything on Adam, or Eve if you like.

    • carmenta

      but only if that someone is a Democrat, right? Because on a daily basis, the Republicans, the Tea Party, are not blamed for the actions of indviduals, by the MSM, by the Democrats….///

      • bullet2354

        THAT – is exactly right.

        Wheres the headline “Dem shoots up another building.”

        • Perry

          I find it amusing that the vast majority of gun homicides in the country are committed by Blacks or Hispanics, around 75%. So you would have to assume, based on voting patterns, that the vast majority of gun homicides are committed by DEMOCRATS, especially in Democrat controlled cities. The MSM never tells that little truth. No, they’ll go after the NRA, whose members are NOT committing the gun homicides. In order to solve a problem, you have to have big enough balls to face the facts. The facts aren’t being faced. If the vast majority of gun homicides were being committed by “White Teaparty” people, it would be addressed, PRONTO.

          • Hank_Scorpio

            Well said….

    • Jill

      In an ideal world, you are quite correct. Sadly, the state of affairs in the media and politics do not operate that way.

  • Determined

    Question – “The guy who killed 3 people at Jewish Centers earlier today was KKK, and ran for public office as an R and a D.. which will get more press?”

    Answer – On Twitchy – the fact he ran as a D will get more press and comments.

    • Nahalban

      Let’s see democrats created the KKK he was a grand dragon of the KKK every other shooter lately has been of the Democratic slant no, no reason at all to call attention to the fact that dems seem to be mentally ill and like to shoot lots of people.

    • Hey, That’s Pretty Good

      And on every liberal site and network, they will label him the Face of the Tea Party.

  • Ken Alan Draper

    So a socialist shoots up a bunch of Jewish folks, while being hauled off by the cops he hails a German socialist dictator who murdered millions. And the socialists in government & the media will try to link him to the libertarian leaning re a party in 3,2,1.

  • http://www.freedomreconnection.com/ FreedomRecon

    Kansas has the death penalty, and assuming this guy isn’t actually mentally ill, I think the gas chamber would be truly poetic.

    • Linda

      The irony of it is that the grandfather and grandson (or daughter, I forget which) were Methodists.

      • http://www.freedomreconnection.com/ FreedomRecon

        Yes I saw that, but he thought he was going to kill Jewish people.

        • Linda

          Yep. I just can’t imagine how deranged one has to be to shoot people he doesn’t even know. Almost makes you scared to go out in public.

          • journogal

            Not scared, but vigilant. Be aware of your surroundings.

          • http://www.freedomreconnection.com/ FreedomRecon

            If only we had laws against murder and felons owning guns…….sigh :/

          • journogal

            I know, right?

          • Nahalban

            never scared if you get scared you end up with things like the TSA or the Patriot act.

  • The Masked Avatar

    Smaug is a grand dragon.

  • Zathras11 @B5

    Thank God Robert Byrd dies before he could completely go off the deep end like this.

    I still remember his going on and on during a Senate debate (on some issue not related to dogs) about how his dog Billy made him laugh. Crazy!

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Byrd
    “When it came time to elect the top officer (Exalted Cyclops) in the local Klan unit, Byrd won unanimously.”

  • TTTCOTTH

    Jew hating. Something this guy and the Democrats have in common.

  • Linda

    Here’s a sample of lies/distortions that I’ve spoken of in other comments today. I honestly don’t expect any of you read them because I get that you truly believe that the right-leaning media heads ALWAYS give the truth and the left ones don’t. There is probably no “coming to a conclusion” on that. Even if you take the time, you’re going to say that “oh, that comes from left.” I’m only posting these so no one can say that I backed off. I’ll debate any other topic in this thread but I won’t respond to the individual ones about the media.

    Rush
    http://www.politifact.com/personalities/rush-limbaugh/
    http://enough_already.tripod.com/rushlies.htm

    beck

    http://www.politifact.com/personalities/glenn-beck/statements/?page=2 (includes both true and false)

    • http://www.freedomreconnection.com/ FreedomRecon

      I read the first 2 on Beck and stopped, because Van Jones IS a card carrying communist.
      Edit to add things: John Holdren’s book does propose forced abortions and sterilization. See page 786 of his book for starters.
      Van Jones has stated that he is a 9/11 conspiracy truther.
      Forgive me for not reading the other articles, but I fear it would be a waste of my time, since 3 of the first 5 Beck “lies” are in fact truths.

      • Linda

        Politifact has a good reputation for their analysis, but I did say that people here wouldn’t believe whatever I posted.

        • http://www.freedomreconnection.com/ FreedomRecon

          But I have researched these things….and politifact is wrong.

          • Linda

            Oh geez, so I should take your word over an organization that does this professionally??? You all tell me to prove things, so let me throw it back to you.

          • http://www.freedomreconnection.com/ FreedomRecon

            I stated a page out of Holdren’s book. The other information is readily available if you research it. Edit to add: I researched these 3 things..I happen to have Holdren’s book, so I didn’t need to research this one, other than what page I read it on.
            What I did NOT do, was read the “lie” and assume it was a “lie” because Politifact told me so.

          • Linda

            Ahhh, so you didn’t read why they ranked it as Pants on Fire.

          • http://www.freedomreconnection.com/ FreedomRecon

            I did in fact on the Holdren one, since this was readily available in my personal library. I agree with Beck on this issue specifically. Also noting that Van Jones has openly supported these techniques.

          • Linda

            If you read that and think he was actually advocating it, then there really isn’t anything else to say.

          • http://www.freedomreconnection.com/ FreedomRecon

            Did you read his book? Or just that article on it?

          • Linda

            No, but the article shows the text about it. Are you saying that they left out any advocacy statements? I don’t want to copy it here because it’s quite a bit.

            EDIT – adding
            But here is one paragraph: his comes in a section discussing population law.

            “The authors argue that compulsory abortions could potentially be allowed under U.S. law “if the population crisis became sufficiently severe to endanger the society.” Again, that’s a far cry from advocating or proposing such a position.”

          • http://www.freedomreconnection.com/ FreedomRecon

            No need to copy it, it is long…I have read the book, and if you read the whole thing, I think you would get a different opinion here. But for me, regardless of how I perceive Holdren’s views from his statements, the above thing on Obama and truths and lies from this site, makes the entire site not credible.

          • Linda

            I said that this would happen.

          • http://www.freedomreconnection.com/ FreedomRecon

            Linda, I’m not trying to convince you to change your mind…I’m stating how I read this and why I don’t consider this to be a credible source….if you do, that’s fine.

          • Linda

            That’s what’s bad about the divide right now…it is so wide that people can’t even agree on facts that can be verified…so there’s no hope that we ever can come together on what’s merely opinions.

          • http://www.freedomreconnection.com/ FreedomRecon

            There is always hope.

          • Ms. Abigail van Beagle

            You speak the truth on that!
            Nobody can trust anybody anymore.
            It’s really sad.

          • journogal
          • Linda

            I’ve tried reading that first one a couple of times…I think I need to set it aside and read it at another time. I also like Kessler. Is anyone going to be 100% right? No, Kessler even gets dinged.

            Now, for the Forbes article, I think that author has gone way over the line. Is there anything that wouldn’t change from initial concept to implementation. When I read one of their analyses, I don’t blindly accept it..I do weigh it with my view of the world. have found that their explanations are serious looks, not taken lightly. Generally, they are in line with other people who are expressing opinions on the same topic.

    • http://www.freedomreconnection.com/ FreedomRecon

      Another thing…..politifact only has Obama lying 9 times…2%…..Obama lied 9 times this morning. This is not a valid source for unbiased commentary.

      • Hank_Scorpio

        Beat me to it….

      • Linda

        You’re wrong. I just checked their file on him…they have 14 Pants on Fire…I didn’t bother checking the other status such as Mostly False

        • http://www.freedomreconnection.com/ FreedomRecon

          They must have added….when I clicked the link it said 9…but really? Only 14 lies? You can’t believe this if you live in the US.

          • Linda

            Noooo, that they are the statements they tagged as basically ridiculous. They also have False, Mostly False, and Half True for statements not Mostly True and True.

          • http://www.freedomreconnection.com/ FreedomRecon

            Obama’s statements by ruling
            Click on the ruling to see all of Obama’s statements for that ruling.
            True114 (22%)(114)
            Mostly True126 (24%)(126)
            Half True140 (27%)(140)
            Mostly False59 (11%)(59)
            False68 (13%)(68)
            Pants on Fire 9 (2%)

          • Linda

            OK, only 9 Pants on Fire …sorry…I just went back to the site and think I clicked on a Pants on Fire that wasn’t for him.

          • http://www.freedomreconnection.com/ FreedomRecon

            The way I see things….if this is what they consider facts, then this is not a credible site.

          • Linda

            whatever

          • http://www.freedomreconnection.com/ FreedomRecon

            I’m sorry, this is going to come across as condescending, but LOL. Whatever is not a rebuttal to saying that Obama has only told 9 pants on fire lies.

          • Linda

            They are only rating statements put on his official website. They also don’t try to assess opinions. Per the right, everything he says is 100% false, right, so that number would seem low.

          • http://www.freedomreconnection.com/ FreedomRecon

            Nope, not everything. He says he killed Bin Laden, I say Seal Team 6 did, but I do give him credit for giving the order, therefore by extension, he should get credit for this. But when someone lies say 70-80% of the time, then chances are, then odds are, they are lying when they open their mouth to say anything. And when a website says he only lies 2% of the time, I’m not going to deem them credible for anything they say whether it’s pro left OR pro right.

          • Linda

            Is there a verifiable source for 70-80%? You can’t honestly believe that percentage? Of course, it could be argued that no politician ever tells the truth. I just get aggravated that there is such blatant disrespect and twisting of things, in the way Rush and Beck do, when there are more than enough REAL things to focus on. I hold them and their like responsible for nurturing the most vile disrespect of a sitting president that I’ve ever seen. But you know, by doing that the Republicans are only hurting themselves for credibility.

          • http://www.freedomreconnection.com/ FreedomRecon

            Were you born after Bush? And just so you are aware, I did not agree with Bush on most things.

          • Linda

            GRIN, no. I’ve been around a long time.

          • http://www.freedomreconnection.com/ FreedomRecon

            LOL okay, well then might I suggest looking up what the “left” has said about him while he was in office…and continue to say to this day. I think you will see it as very disrespectful personal attacks.

          • Linda

            Oh, yeah, Bush has had his fair share of comments (and, yes,still)…but there is no way they compare. I see this said often but I don’t buy it. The ones against Obama go to whole other level. It makes me sick to think that there are Americans who condone the comments. The disrespect shown to Michelle is also abhorrent. They both have the grace to not let the attacks get to them…I don’t think I’d do as near as well.

          • http://www.freedomreconnection.com/ FreedomRecon

            We are going to have to agree to disagree on this issue. I don’t believe in personal attacks on anyone. Hopefully I have never done this, only attacking policy. I’m not suggesting that people haven’t attacked him in atrocious ways, I just don’t think it’s been any worse than the attacks on Bush.

          • Linda

            ok

        • http://www.freedomreconnection.com/ FreedomRecon

          Copied it right off the link on their site that I clicked.

          • Linda

            See my post below from an hour ago.

          • http://www.freedomreconnection.com/ FreedomRecon

            Yeh I did, sorry, I didn’t refresh the page.

          • Linda

            Yeah, it’s weird sometimes. I often have to go back to the email notification and click from there.

    • journogal

      Be careful posting links after links after links, you don’t want to come across as spamming the site.

      • Linda

        OK, thanks!!! That’s why I tried to keep it a sampling.

  • Hey, That’s Pretty Good

    The MSM will report that he ran as a Republican and leave it at that, and use him as “the Face of the Tea Party.”

    Then they’ll get bent out of shape when everyone else is pointing out that he ran for both parties.

  • Rex

    COMMON CORE QUESTION: A dog defecates upon the floor, it wags it’s tail more times for a Democrat than for the Republican. Explain why it’s the Republican’s fault for the Dog making the mess.

  • Mandy in SC

    My question was definitely rhetorical. Unfortunately I’ve already seen the “OF COURSE he ran for office as an EVIL REPUBLICAN!!1!eleventy!!” idea showing up on my facebook feed. Mostly from people I grew up with near DC so they are stuck with the brainwash, but still.

    It’s such an unfortunate event. Those involved have my sympathies and are in my prayers. A sad start to Holy Week. :(

  • disappearing moderate

    This shooting was the result of delusional thinking and hate. It’s about evil, not about politics, and those trying to make political capital are worse than misguided.

  • Bklynnygirl

    He went home to the Democrat party.

    Frazier Glenn Miller ran for governor of North Carolina as a Democrat in 1984. He also ran for Senate of North Carolina as a Republican in 1986. More recently, he ran against Roy Blunt for Missouri’s 7th congressional district in 2006

    Mon Mar 06, 2006 at 04:50 PM PST
    The “Daily Kos”
    Writing about “Glenn Miller of Aurora”
    Racist felon running for the Dem nomination in MO-7

    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/03/06/192091/-Racist-felon-running-for-the-Dem-nomination-in-MO-7#

  • http://www.blogger.com/profile/15458282944035344707 repsac3

    Frazier Glenn Miller did not run as a Democrat in 2006. He tried to get on the ballot on the Democrat, Republican, and Libertarian lines that year but failed to make it onto the ballot at all, and ran as an “Independent” write-in, receiving 23 votes.

    The Democrats that year refused his filing fee because of his racist views and he sued to try to force them to put him on the ballot–but the lawsuit failed, and he wasn’t on the 2006 ballot.

    So for those who think this kinda thing matters (it doesn’t), his most recent run for office as a partisan was not as a Democrat. ’nuff said.

  • Mr_Wrestling_XIII

    What does a “Grand Dragon” even do? The KKK sounds like a racist Dungeons and Dragons club. lol

    • Ms. Abigail van Beagle

      Breathe fire, throw their weight around…

  • Amy Dunne

    Ultimately, it’s up to each of us to communicate the basics of responsibility, liberty, and prosperity to your social networks: http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0094KY878