Go ahead and have a look. #MeninistTwitter, which is essentially a male version of feminism, is now trending in the U.S.:

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It looks like this is how it all started:

A sampling of some of the replies:

https://twitter.com/whoislaw/status/412736496219979776

https://twitter.com/ttsocb5/status/412765488783953921

To be sure, not everybody’s having a good time with it:

  • http://www.batman-news.com Jeddite

    “THAT’S NOT FAIR!!!” – #Feminists

  • Netmilsmom

    I love how the feminists got uptight in the end!

    • NRPax

      Q: How many feminists does it take to change a light bulb?

      A: THAT’S NOT FUNNY!

      • Right Wired ✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

        That’s besides the point, what were they doing out of the kitchen?

        edit: yes, I am joking

        • AlmaAlma

          My nephew loves those kitchen jokes… for a little while at least

        • Doc Farmer ✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

          I totally object to the whole “barefoot and pregnant” attitude of some men. Personally, I’ve got no objection to women wearing shoes…

          • A-Train

            as long as they are heels

          • MSO

            I have a photo of my wife, an MD who did her residency at Hopkins, barefoot and pregnant in our kitchen. I love it. She tolerates it. That is one of millions of reasons why I love her.

    • Michelle ✓classified

      Niki @blowticiousFollow
      #MeninistTwitter has turned into males complaining about everything they wouldn’t usually feel comfortable whining about. Cute.

      Which is exactly why the hashtag and the tweets are so damn funny. Niki ain’t a bright one, is she?

      • A-Train

        funny how ‘they’ can say the most obscene things (especially about minority or women conservatives) and it’s ‘all in good fun’ or a ‘joke’. yet, when men do something poking fun at feminists or a leftist, it’s ‘hateful and rude’!

        • Michelle ✓classified

          Feminist comedians are the worst. They have no problem shredding anyone or anything, but all heck breaks lose if you crack one joke about a feminist.

          • DefCon99

            Usually the joke starts when feminist starts to talk.

    • DefCon99

      I think they get uptight in the front as well.

  • Clete Torres

    Sometimes I’d like you to actually decide where YOU want to eat

    A-freakin-men.

    • NRPax

      The problem is that such a thing makes too much sense.

      • Matthew Koch

        Expecting a woman to stop being indecisive is like expecting a man to stop looking at her butt.

        Besides, if she actually comes out and tells you what she wants, then she won’t have a reason to get mad at you on the car ride home!

        • Jay Stevens

          It is not always indecision. Women are good at nuance. It is what they do. Men tend to be more direct and literal.

          • CruisingTroll

            Gee, who told you that? A woman?

    • Michelle ✓classified

      Or how awesome is this (which I’ve overheard played out over and over again with my friends):

      Guy: Let’s go out to dinner. Where would you like to eat?
      Gal: It doesn’t matter. You decide
      Guy: Ok, How about Main St. Cafe?
      Gal: OMG no! McKenna got food poisoning there last week!
      Guy: Ok, what about Anyplace Steak House?
      Gal: Are you crazy? They don’t have a gluten free menu!
      Guy: Ok, how about Good Earth restaurant?
      Gal: No way, they don’t have peach-blueberry-raspberry-pineapple iced tea!
      Guy: I give up.

      • http://twitter.com/thetugboatphil TugboatPhil ✓Mate

        My daughter keeps talking about opening a diner and calling it “I Don’t Know.” She says every time she hears someone ask where they should eat, the answer is usually “I don’t know.”

        • A-Train

          great idea, really.

        • Michelle ✓classified

          That is a great idea!

        • Jay Stevens

          Has your daughter ever met my wife? We live in the DFW area.

          • http://twitter.com/thetugboatphil TugboatPhil ✓Mate

            Probably not. We’re in southwest Virginia.

        • GaryTheBrave

          There’s a comedian (sorry, cannot recall) who wants to brew a beer called “Uh!” Usually when the bartender asks what the customer wants the first response is “uh.”

      • Clete Torres

        We play that game here every time I suggest we go enjoy a night out.

        I give her three chances, then I order a pizza.

        • Michelle ✓classified

          Get one up on her next time and order the pizza to begin with. Ha! I either know where I want to eat or at times just don’t care and tell my guy to decide. First suggestion out of his mouth – sounds good, let’s go. Of course it helps that we have the same likes/dislikes when it comes to food.

          • Clete Torres

            No, I’ll always give her three strikes – unless she’s pushing the envelope.

      • Conservative First

        hah, i just had this conversation with someone yesterday about my wife doing this. I guess I’m not alone.

      • Jay Stevens

        Conversation at our house:

        Me: Let’s go out and get something to eat.
        Wife: OK, where would you like to go?
        Me: How about Main St. Cafe?
        Wife: We coould.

        Subtext: Wife: If I really like the place, I made a good decision agreeing to it. If I don’t like it, you made a bad decision choosing it.

        It has taken me about 20 years to mostly break her of that habit.

        • Michelle ✓classified

          In my world, unless it’s a special occasion that calls for going somewhere specific and fancy, don’t care where I eat – food is food and a casual dinner is not a life altering event. I don’t understand folks being so indecisive about a dang meal.

    • Right Wired ✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

      I just open up the yellow pages and start naming off restaurants in alphabetical order.

      Oh jeez..can we say ‘yellow’ pages? Is that racist?

      • Zane Henry

        Not sure what to make of this, but I have no idea if we’ve even gotten a yellow pages (or any other pages) in the last 6 or 7 years. If we have, I haven’t seen them.

    • robert anthony

      Be nice if more would actually eat….nothing like showering and dressing to go out, waiting for service, and spending money…. so she can eat a salad.

      • John Thomas “Jack” Ward III

        Or. go to a buffet…American (e.g. Ryan’s or Golden Corral), Chinese, Pizza Buffet #HungryHowies……At least it’s pretty cheap, and you can stuff yourself full! And still have money for A movie, or whatever else… Jawamax 8<{D}

      • Michelle ✓classified

        Another goodie – the bird eaters. Don’t those type of women understand men are more impressed with a hearty eater and not a salad picker? I have guy friends who get really annoyed with that.

        • robert anthony

          Yeah, I’m not a fan of the bird-eating. Dated a girl that ate like that and then always complained she was cold….Gee, no wonder!?

          • Michelle ✓classified

            I wouldn’t say there’s a connection between being a light eater and always being cold. I eat like a horse and really am always cold. *snort*

          • robert anthony

            Santa needs to bring you a sweater…or two.;-)

            Do you smoke? I smoke…they say it makes for cold fingers in the Winter…the constricted blood vessels.

          • Michelle ✓classified

            Ugh – no matter how much I layer clothing, always cold. I drink a lot of coffee – espresso shots to be exact. Caffeine also constricts blood vessels, but I’ve decided I could live easier being cold than I can live without my yummy espresso! And yes, hate to admit – moderate smoker, mostly just in the morning with my first cup of coffee. And then there’s that thing about how I’m borderline anemic and should be taking iron pills, but won’t. I just might be the only woman I know who is actually looking forward to the day hot flashes arrive. Anyway, I do eat like a horse and my tummy is almost never empty – so can’t point the finger on that for being cold.

    • SturJen

      I am not a typical female. When asked, “Where do you want to eat?” If I say, “I don’t care.” It means, I DON’T CARE! I’m hungry and I need food, go someplace that has food. For years I tried to get my hubby to understand that. I feel bad for him, really. Years of programming from the Ex have turned him sour on the subject.

      So with me it goes, Him – “Where do you want to eat?” Me- “I don’t care.” Him- “Steak sound good?” Me- “Yep, let’s go.”

      Problem solved. And yes, I handed my whiny feminist card in years ago.

      • Clete Torres

        If she said “I don’t care” and left it there, that’d be great. But when I make suggestions and they get struck down three times in a row, it tells me that yeah, you do care, and most irritating of all, that you’re incapable of making a decision.

        I’ll order a pizza every time, and if she doesn’t want any, good for her. More for me. One would think that at some point she’d learn the cause/effect link. But being a liberal (yes, I married a liberal), logic is anathema to her on this, like it is on so many other things.

        • SturJen

          Talking to the middle son the other day, he announced he was moving in w/his girlfriend – a Lib. I walked up the hubby and said, “Honey you HAVE to talk to your son. He’s cohabitating with a Liberal!” He grumbles back, “Yeah, I know.”
          You raise them up to be good, responsible kids and THIS is what we get! UH!!!

          • Clete Torres

            Sometimes we do it …for love. o.O

    • A-Train

      “Where do you want to eat, hun?”
      “I don’t care, you chose”
      “ok, *insert place here* sounds good”
      “Can you stop at McDonalds afterwards?”
      “We can just go there instead”
      “Nah, I’m not hungry anyways”
      …half hour after eating…
      “Hey babe, I’m hungry, can we go get something?”
      “!!!!!”

      • Clete Torres

        Yep, except I have this convo with my son.

        33 years old and he’s still a bottomless pit.

        • Michelle ✓classified

          Even I do that. Often times when heading home from an evening at a friend’s house where we’d had an enormous grilled dinner (chicken, steak, three sides, salad, etc.) and although I ate a lot of everything, I usually ask my guy to stop at Wendy’s on the way home because I want a hamburger. He refers to it as “Feeding my tapeworm”

          • Clete Torres

            I always ask him “boy, what’s with you – do you have hollow legs?”

  • http://twitter.com/archaicsteam Archaic

    Grrrrrrl Power = AWESOME / Man power = OMG CHAUVINISTIC!!!

    In other words, the feminists are ticked off that the guys are turning the tables back on them.

    I’d like to know why we can’t have strong men *and* women? Why, in order for women to be bad*** do men have to be weepy and vice versa?

    • AMSilver

      Because liberal women want to be strong in the masculine sense, rather than a feminine sense, and women generally can’t compete with real men on men’s turf. Take the army – the women who join the army want to be seen as being as tough as the men, but whether it’s generally admitted or not, they lower the bar for physical exams for the women, because women genetically aren’t as strong as men. Too many feminazies see strong, independant, powerful men and want to compete with them, but the feminazi version of strength is really much more akin to being a world class witch. A real man isn’t going to put up with a world class witch, so they have to try and emasculate him so that they can feel powerful. A truly powerful woman embraces her feminity, and feminazis are anything but feminine.

      • V the K

        Jack Nicholson’s character has a great line in “As Good As It Gets” when a female fan asks him how he writes women so well.

        “I think of a man, and then I take away reason and accountability.”

        http://youtu.be/hbA-KAgj-ko

        • onlyabill

          Perfect!

  • Matthew Koch

    “Me take out your trash?! I am not your maid! Take out your own trash big girl! #MeninistTwitter

  • http://www.almarquardt.com/ almarquardt

    I say good for them! So good in fact, I’m forwarding this to my hubby. It’s about time some of these meninists stood up for their right to be men.

    • http://twitter.com/thetugboatphil TugboatPhil ✓Mate

      My Missus told me I could up vote that.

      • http://www.almarquardt.com/ almarquardt

        What did you have to promise in return? Or do I want to know?

    • John Thomas “Jack” Ward III

      “I’M STILL A GUY!” #BradPaisley #MusicTriviaTime Jawamax 8<{D}

  • Right Wired ✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

    You call it ‘fat’. I call it ‘preparing for a time when there is no food’.

    • brewerandpatriot

      Winter layer always works for me!

      • Bathing Suit Area

        It’s always winter somewhere…

        • Jay Stevens

          Not true, Singapore for instance.

      • nickdqwk

        And when my doctor told me to get in shape. I replied “Round is a shape”!

    • John Thomas “Jack” Ward III

      “More cushion for the pushin” as my Little Brother once said of fat girls.. But it works both ways… Jawamax 8<{D}

      • Right Wired ✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

        And you know what Eddie Mercury said about ’em…

        • John Thomas “Jack” Ward III

          Freddie Mercury… But I get it… Jawamax 8<{D} #MusicTriviaTime

          • Right Wired ✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            blEh..typo

            yep. that’s my story, i’m sticking with it.

  • Zane Henry

    I found this funny. No idea what got people’s BVDs in a bunch. When did we become such a humorless and constantly offended society?

    • http://twitter.com/archaicsteam Archaic

      Since so many people have no talent to gain attention for, being constantly offended equals that attention.

      • Todd Hill

        ^^^ THIS!

    • John Thomas “Jack” Ward III

      Since the LibTurds took over… And they have NO sense of Humor! Jawamax 8<{D}

  • David Mackey

    I’m not a machine!

  • Stephie Sky McKinley

    Men will have equal rights when we get to a point that newborn children of parents who do not live together are given to the parent most capable of caring for the needs of the child, regardless of gender.
    Another inconvenient fact that women choose not to acknowledge.

  • https://twitter.com/UnicornOfMayhem Hi This Is My Username

    That was funny. People need to lighten up and stop being such over sensitive sissies.

  • therealguyfaux ✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

    “Jeez Louise, woman, didn’t your parents ever teach you what a screwdriver/hammer/pliers/wrench was used for, or is it that you never paid any attention to all that ‘boy’ stuff?”

  • ElbethL

    I love how a lot of these complaints are things that hurt men, not because of feminism but because of patriarchy. The reason society makes men feel badly for crying is because men are “supposed” to be tough. The reason men are socially expected to take the lead on dates is because they’re “supposed” to be leaders.

    Patriarchy hurts women MORE, because it puts us in positions of weakness and punishes us for trying to leave them, but it hurts men too.

    • Ryan Johnson

      You know what hurts women more? Women blaming their shortcomings on an imaginary patriarchy and keeping themselves in victim positions.

      Face it, sweetheart. Modern feminism is dying and women such as yourself are the cause and the blame.

      • ElbethL

        First off, when people stop freaking out at the idea of women being active front-line soldiers, and people stop claiming abortion makes women “equal” as if pregnancy makes them unequal, THEN you can call the patriarchy imaginary. Obviously things are better now than they used to be, but there’s no sense in resting on laurels. That’s not what they’re for.

        Second, women like me how? Who post on the web? Who are pro-life? Conservative? You don’t know me, or anything about me. You want to argue, fine. Address the comment I made, not some straw man you made up.

        • Ryan Johnson

          From the tone of your posts I did make assumptions on your pro-life/choice stance, and I shouldn’t have been so rude in my assuming post. but what I said about the “patriarchy” still stands.

          • ElbethL

            As does what I said about it.

        • Darticus

          About women being active front-line soldiers, I’ve only heard people “freaking out” about it in the sense that they should not be given a different standard than men in order to qualify. If women can meet the same physical requirements men do, then power to them.

          But there’s no way in hell we should have a 5-foot-nothing, 105 lb woman out there fighting on the front lines. That’s a good way to get our people killed. They simply would not be up to the task of, say, carrying a wounded 220 lb man in combat gear out of a firefight to safety.

          That’s pragmatism, not an illustration of a patriarchy

          • Michelle ✓classified

            “About women being active front-line soldiers, I’ve only heard people “freaking out” about it in the sense that they should not be given a different standard than men in order to qualify.”

            I’ve never the argument of it being about physical ability (it doesn’t take brute to aim and fire a gun). I’ve always heard the argument that actually equals this exact conversation. People are questioning if women should be in the front line for two reasons: 1. A man’s inherent behavior to protect a woman might cause a male soldier to not remain focused on the fight at hand and instead instinctively want to save the damsel in distress (figure of speech), which would place his life as well as the lives around him in danger. And 2. A woman’s inherent behavior to be a nurturer, a caregiver – could she and would she have what it takes to pull the trigger and kill a person. If she were faced with a 12 yr old boy about to kill her, could she kill that kid even when her own life depends on it? I’m not offering any opinion on these beliefs, just pointing out what I’ve always heard the argument being about.

          • Darticus

            Interesting. Now that you mention it, I think I did hear someone discussing that first point once. I suppose that’s a discussion for the powers that be to hash out, but I’m going to reserve judgment. I’m no psychiatrist. The second point is new to me, but it’s an interesting viewpoint. It’s all something to consider I suppose.

            And true, it doesn’t take a brute to shoot, but it takes significant muscle to perform some of the duties other than shooting. Many women simply don’t have the size for those duties. If they do, and they qualify physically at the same level as their male counterparts, I’m inclined to say let them fight.

          • Michelle ✓classified

            While the physical ability argument could maybe possibly be valid, it’s not one I truly understand since I’ve worked hard at being a physically strong/capable woman most of my life (in 20’s/30’s I lifted weights 5x/week, I wasn’t bulky, but I was very tone and very strong). I guess I view the physical ability argument as something that should be considered on an individual basis. And I suspect any woman that truly wants to fight on the front lines isn’t sitting around crocheting in her down time, she’s using that time working hard to make her body its best. But yes, for the most part – all the arguments I’ve heard against women on the front lines are what I’ve already explained above. Men will inherently want to protect a woman, and by running to her aid on instinct could lead to some bad decisions. And the argument that a woman’s nurturing nature could cause her to second guess pulling that trigger in a split-second life altering situation. This is also the same argument used by folks who don’t think women should be police officers.

          • Darticus

            “I guess I view the physical ability argument as something that should be considered on an individual basis.”

            Exactly. Are we disagreeing? Cause it really doesn’t seem like it lol…

          • Michelle ✓classified

            No, no, no – we aren’t disagreeing. I jumped into the convo only because you said physical ability was the only argument you’d heard against women on the front line and I brought up the arguments I’d heard. I think we’re on the same page.

          • CruisingTroll

            @Michelle: If you’ve never heard the argument about physical capability, you haven’t been paying attention. As for the nurturing argument, you are only presenting the weaker half of it. The other half is “do we want to turn moms-to-be into killers?”

          • Michelle ✓classified

            Ooooooh. OK sport.

          • onlyabill

            The physical part of being in the Army is no small thing. If you are going to be in combat, you are expected to be able to effectively carry out your assignment while toting a LOT of stuff. gear for survival and gear for fighting. Being fit or being toned is one thing. Being able to fight with gear in the heat for 8 hours is another. There are plenty of jobs in the Army where physical ability is secondary to job skill but being “in the action” is not one of them. As to your comment as to judging on an individual bases, this is the Army. Not daycare. The military processes a large number of recruits on a continuous bases. The entire process is designed (or at least was) to weed out those that could not meet a set standard and that those that did meet the standard could all be expected to have the same lower limits. Trying to “tailor” this process to accommodate outliners (meaning most women and a fair number of men) adds too much time, cost and variation to the process. Not everyone can be a physicist and not everyone can be in combat. Life an’t fair and it is NOT fair to require others to take on additional, unnecessary risk to accommodate the wants of a few.

          • Michelle ✓classified

            Darticus and I were not discussing whether or not women should be in combat, we were discussing the arguments we’d heard – we neither supported nor refuted the arguments. I notice that Darticus actually did express agreement to having women in combat, and yet you didn’t reply to him, you replied to me. That’s very telling. Anyway, thanks for your service and have a great day.

          • onlyabill

            Sorry I did not make it clear I was responding to both of you. I was simply adding to the end of what appeared to be “the thread” on women in combat. I simply stated what I know and believe to be true. I don’t believe there was any hidden addenda. I was simply laying out my case.
            Oh and thank you and you too.

          • Michelle ✓classified

            I hear ya, I was just pointing out that Darticus and I weren’t debating the issue, we were bringing up what folks who do debate the issue have to say about it.

          • CruisingTroll

            I sense some skepticism. Simple question: do you want a bunch of shell shocked (to use the archaic term) young women returning from combat and raising children? Do you want them dealing with the night terrors, with the free floating anxiety, with the sudden and murderous rage?

            Is it a good idea to combine PTSD with post partum depression?

            We don’t WANT to subject men to the stresses of combat and killing, because those stresses are harmful. We do it because the alternative is even worse. Are the stresses more or less harmful to women? We don’t know, but we do know that broken people generally make broken parents. In what world does it make sense to send both mothers and fathers into the grinder to be broken?

          • Michelle ✓classified

            Did you sense that? Interesting, I was actually expressing a lack of interest in joining your debate. Darticus and I were having a discussion about the arguments we’d heard against women in combat, not having a debate over whether or not they should. In fact below I wrote the argument for no women in combat could possibly be valid, and then said I don’t understand it the argument (Notice I did not say I disagree with the argument). You seem to have read something that wasn’t there. Your commentary speaks to something I never conveyed, I wasn’t debating women in combat. I really have no opinion either way on that, so I wasn’t interested in having that conversation with you.

            This is the same reason for my reply to onlyabill’s comment below – he’s having the same conversation as you and neither of your comments have anything to do with what Darticus and I were discussing.

            Enjoy your day!

          • CruisingTroll

            “Ooooooo, OK sport” is generally dismissive and/or skeptical when directed to someone you don’t know. Imagine if you will, an eye roll accompanying it. My apologies for mistaking a casual dismissal for skepticism.

    • Darticus

      You’re seriously arguing we live in a patriarchal society in 2013? Ridiculous. The feminization of men has been going on for decades. THAT hurts men and women (and their children) much more than this perceived patriarchy of yours.

      Men and women have their own unique strengths and weaknesses built into their DNA. Men ARE supposed to be tough because they are supposed to provide for and protect their families. Being a whiny little bitch of a “man” is not conducive to either of those responsibilities.

      Women are generally more well-suited to nurturing their families. They are also smaller than men, which is part of the reason that men are wired to protect women. That’s the root of chivalry, really. I don’t open doors for women because “society” tells me to or because it’s expected of me; I do it because I want to. And I would feel really awkward splitting the bill on a date, or worse, letting her pay. Sounds like a one-way trip to the friend zone to me.

      This all doesn’t mean that men and women can’t share responsibilities, but it is absolutely the case that men and women have their own respective strengths. It makes no sense to strive for the “equality” of making men and women the same. It goes against our very nature.

      • ElbethL

        Considering sex selective abortion is actually getting WORSE, 2013 notwithstanding, yes, I am arguing that. Which, by itself, is answer enough to your whole post.

        • Darticus

          I guess I have no idea how sex-selective abortion (which is an abomination) pertains to the perception of a patriarchal society. Interesting discussion though, care to elaborate?

          • ElbethL

            It’s a pretty direct line, really. Men carry more social value than women. This makes boy children more desirable than girl children, which leads to–among other horrendous things–sex-selective abortions. The whole cycle starts when women are valued less, socially, than men.

            The best way–in fact, thus far, the only way– to reverse that trend is to get rid of things that socially devalue women, however well-intended those things are. It boils down to NOT ever looking at women like they were born right for some things and wrong for others. If everyone did that–really did that–then we really would live in a post-feminism society. And I look forward to the day when we do.

          • Darticus

            Are you referring to the world as a whole or the United States? Because if you’re referring to the U.S., I don’t see what you’re arguing in my day-to-day life as far as women being socially valued less than men. You say men carry more social value than women, but I simply don’t see it. How so? Are you referring to the objectification of women? Because yes, that is a problem, and in that sense it devalues women, but I don’t see that as illustrating a patriarchal society that values women less than men. Plenty of things out there devalue men as well.

            I don’t look at women as being “right” for some things and “wrong” for others, at least not in that rigid of a definition, and I have a really hard time imagining that the vast majority of people in this country do. There are exceptions to virtually every rule, but it can’t be denied that men and women are fundamentally different and that each sex has its own strengths and weaknesses.

            And yes, sex-selective abortion is becoming a “thing” here, and it’s an atrocity, but are there statistics showing that girls are aborted significantly more often in favor of boys? That’s an honest question; I have no idea. I know it happens in China, but I would be genuinely surprised if that were the case here. And if it is, then I concede that part of your point.

      • Michelle ✓classified

        Not trying to start an argument, but am asking for clarification on this because I wonder if I’m taking it the wrong way.

        “And I would feel really awkward splitting the bill on a date, or worse, letting her pay. Sounds like a one-way trip to the friend zone to me.”

        This hits me as a man paying for dinner = he gets sex. If a woman pays or wants to split = friend zone. Where are you coming from with that? How the dinner bill is satisfied doesn’t decide who gets sex and who doesn’t.

        • Darticus

          I think you’re taking it the wrong way, Michelle, but that’s obviously because I wasn’t very clear. My bad :)

          If I ask someone on a date, I’m expecting to pay because I want to pay and I want to show her a good time, not because I’m hoping that’ll get me into a girl’s pants. Maybe I’m old-fashioned in that respect, but splitting the bill or letting her pay just doesn’t seem right. Is that the result of the influence of a patriarchal society? I don’t think it is. I think it reflects the nature of men.

          As for the friend zone thing, that was more tongue in cheek than anything else. I was just trying to convey how I might take it if a girl insisted on paying for a date. Maybe she didn’t see it as a date- that’s happened to me before.

          Haha I still don’t think I’m being very clear, but does this make any sense?

          • Michelle ✓classified

            Makes perfect sense now and thank you for clarifying. I think I took it the wrong way because there are indeed men out who think buying a gal dinner = getting her in bed.

    • Michelle ✓classified

      Another person can place you in a position of weakness only if you give them permission to do so.

      • ElbethL

        Somehow, I suspect a woman like Alice Paul would disagree with you. Now before anyone runs off the wrong way here, I am NOT saying that every woman suffers like she did. What I am saying is that the idea that you can always-and-in-every-case control who has power over you is absolutely false. Nor can you always depend on the people with power, whether that is social power or any other kind, not to misuse it.

        • Michelle ✓classified

          We’ll have to agree to disagree on the matter. I was raised with the absolute belief that I cannot control how people treat me, but I can be in charge of how I feel, react and behave over it. I have been through some hardcore and adverse life situations, many times situations created by someone else, and I have never one felt “weak” or that someone was controlling me. When you say you can’t always control who has power over you, I would agree with that only in a physical sense, but I was referring to a mental and emotional sense. In physical matters if someone wants to make me a victim – there’s a good chance I don’t have control over that. But when talking about being weak in a mental or emotional sense, I firmly and absolutely believe a person who is at risk of being controlled by another has total say in how weak or strong they are.

          • ElbethL

            Of course you have a choice over how you, internally, deal with things. But I don’t think we really disagree.

            Say someone stands on your toes. You tell them, “Get off my toes.” They reply, “Nope.” You might, inwardly, be the very model of strength and grace at this point, but the outward reality is, someone is standing on your toes; you are in a weak position. You might be able to force this person to move, you might not. But until they get off your toes, no amount of inner strength is going to let you walk.

            This is what the patriarchy does. So, a woman who is denied a job because she’s a woman, while she might be a perfect model of grace under fire in her reaction, has still been wronged and harmed by being denied that job. A wrong action is still just as wrong even is the victim is not devastated by it.

          • Michelle ✓classified

            The toe stepping on scenario falls under physical. And unless the toe stepper is also physically holding you in place with their hands, that’s a far-fetched analogy.

            A woman not getting a job because she’s a woman doesn’t make her weak. It’s an unfortunate situation to be sure, but it doesn’t take away from who and what she is. If anything, she views the person(s) who disregarded her for the job because she is a woman as the one being weak. If I’m denied a job because I’m female, what has been detracted from me, from my abilities, beliefs and courage…unless I allow it?

          • ElbethL

            Toe-stepping is also an analogy, something I was pretty clear about.

            You’re getting too hung up on the word “weak.” Substitute “harm” for each case, if you have to. Although it is tough to say that loosing a job solely because you were born with ovaries does not weaken you, if only professionally, but use the word “harm” there if you must. Either way, the point stands. The way our society treats women does sometimes do us actual damage. No, it doesn’t diminish our personhood (“who and what we are,” to use your words), but that makes the harm done through misogyny WORSE, not better.

          • Michelle ✓classified

            I took your advice and substituted “harm” for “weak” and still come to the same conclusion. As I said earlier, we’ll have to agree to disagree. Harm means to cause damage and damage means to alter in a negative way, and going back to your example, being denied a job because I have a uterus does not damage or negatively alter me unless I allow it. I think we’ve taken this discussion as far as we can.

    • Arronski

      I’ve heard this argument before and it’s so bogus. When women are disadvantaged it’s asserted that patriarchy orchestrated it. When men, however, are disadvantaged it couldn’t possibly be matriarchy – e.g. men typically working jobs with the highest workplace mortality rates, or men traditionally being sent to fight wars.

      To these examples you’ll say “it’s because patriarchy tells men they have to be tough alpha males!”

      No, it’s because men are DISPENSABLE. Women’s lives are seen as intrinsically more worthy of preservation.

      But I don’t *actually* blame matriarchy. I accept this is biology. Any one man is simply less essential to the survival of the species than any one woman.

  • robert anthony

    Sometimes No means Yes…but we never say No.

    Just because I wear a tool belt..it’s not an invitation..#meninistslutwalk.

    • John Thomas “Jack” Ward III

      REAL MEN HAVE CURVES! True dat… Jawamax 8<{D}

  • robert anthony

    Let a boy shoot a pop-tart and an imaginary arrow! Down with misandry!

  • robert anthony

    Why are women’s shoes generally cheaper but seem to last a lot longer?

    • Doc Farmer ✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

      Because they wear them only once, then go out to buy more shoes…

      • Some Guy

        Truth. It’s all about the rotation.

  • GaryTheBrave

    I’m inventing a new GPS that I’m going to call the YF. It’ll tell you to turn AFTER you pass the intersection. When you b~~~h at it it’ll say, “Well, I thought you knew everything, Mr. Know-It-All.”

    • Maxwell

      Hate to be the bearer of bad news… my GPS already does that. Well… minus the b***hing.

  • Fhalkyn Phoenix

    Ladies, just because I have a great personality and wear faded blue jeans doesn’t mean it’s an invitation! Sometimes yes means no!
    #meninisttwitter

    • Paladin

      No means no. But 25 nos and one yes mean yes.

  • John Thomas “Jack” Ward III

    @Blowticious #MeninistTwitter has turned into males complaining about everything they usually wouldn’t feel comfortable whining about. Cute.

    Feminist “Pot,” Meet “The Kettle.” Now you know how Conservatives see Feminists! Jawamax 8<{D}

  • Ryan Johnson

    And the self-absorbed self-awareness-lacking walls of feminism come tumbling down…

  • DefCon99

    Women want men who lead, except when they don’t.

    • richard40

      Its more subtle than that. They want men who lead, but always exactly where the woman wants to go.

  • DefCon99

    Woman, thou art not loosed.

  • Dane Gunderson

    I am more than just a spider killer!

  • kentercat

    The only thing dumber than radical feminist cliches are feminists, when they see the same language directed at them, acting like men are shallow, but they are enlightened. The very dumbest thing is that this is called by them “equality”.
    Math is hard.

  • CruisingTroll

    You got two hands, you can put your own damn toilet seat down!

  • richard40

    We constantly hear about male chauvanism, what is the female equivalent?

    • Arronski

      Misandry

  • richard40

    I have another pet pieve. What is the rationale for the rule that the toilette seat must always be down. From strictly an eficiency/equity point of view the rule should be each person leaves it how they wanted it when they last used it. That way whoever uses the toilette has a 50% chance of it being how they want it when they get there, and a 50% probability that they change it. But with the always down rule, men always have to raise it, then always have to lower it again, even if they are the next to return, while for women it is always ready. I have never gotten any sort of logical rationale for this from any woman other that is how it is going to be, or else

    • gekkobear

      I get this one. There are two reasons.

      1) Actually the math works out if you do it (and the male/female ratio using the toilet is comparable).

      Lets say you urinate 5 times a day, and defecate twice. You or I as a male need it up 5 times, down 2. A woman needs it down all 7, so we have a 9:5 ratio; not an even split. More a 58%/42% split. SO the majority is “down” (just not your majority).

      2) Risk/reward. The difficulty of the action isn’t the problem; it’s what happens when it goes wrong due to someone’s inattentiveness. If the seat is down and you urinate; a minor mess to clean up. If the seat is up and she sits down… that’s a larger issue to deal with.

      Solution?
      3) I close the whole damn thing before I flush, seat & lid are always down.