The Supreme Court takes up the case of Hobby Lobby Tuesday. The Christian-owned craft store chain argues that it should not be legally forced to provide abortifacient contraceptives to employees in opposition to its owners’ religious beliefs. Or, as Sandra Fluke would put it, deny health coverage.

https://twitter.com/donna_mosher/status/448305275045298176

Out of 20 FDA-approved contraceptives, Hobby Lobby currently provides 16, choosing to oppose only those that could terminate a pregnancy after conception, like Plan B.

https://twitter.com/Matthops82/status/448295805917884416

Editor’s note: This post has been updated for clarification.

  • desicon

    Should I care what the condom girl thinks or says? This is the women who wants somebody else pay for her $3,000 annual condom expenses.

    What a shameless person.

    • SideTraKd

      I’ve said it before, and I will say it again.

      Liberals really can not comprehend. To them, if someone refuses to buy something for them, it is the same thing as preventing them from obtaining it.

      They really do not see how messed up that is.

      • MrSnuggles2k2

        It is an infantile mindset, like a teenage girl yelling at her parents that they hate her because they won’t let her do whatever she wants.

        • iconoclast33

          Exactly. Liberals believe that wants = needs and if they “need” something, the government should force everyone else to pay for it. It also coincides with their belief in rights without responsibility. They want the rights but not the responsibility that goes along with them. You have the right to have as much sex as you want, but it is your responsibility to deal with the consequences or the preventative measures needed to avert those consequences. Much like you said, they want to be treated like an adult except when they act like children.

        • Claire Garcia

          Then taking them to court! LOL

          • iconoclast33

            BAM!

      • Claire Garcia

        Quite simply, liberalism is a mental disease. Now, that’s healthcare.

        • SideTraKd

          It really is an inescapable conclusion.

        • Raejean

          Hey, that’s a thought! Provide liberals with extra mental health coverage because God knows they need it!

      • Bob Smetters

        Kind of like all the rhetoric about death panels, healthcare rationing, obamacare is not going to cover this, or that…waaaaa waaaaa.

        • SideTraKd

          All of which is spot on true.

          No “death panels”? I direct you to the IPAB.

          No rationing? You obviously have no CLUE. Obamacare has resulted in many doctors leaving practice altogether, and fewer new doctors coming into practice. The doctor to patient ratio is lower now than ever. Who the hell do you think is going to provide care for these cheap reimbursement rates?

          Almost no one.

          And already we have found that Obamacare does not cover many things, like access to the majority of cancer treatment centers in America.

          You liberals are so incredibly stupid.

          • Bob Smetters

            No, that would be you.You missed the point. Insurance nor the government tell you what treatments you can receive. They tell you which one they will pay for. You are free to pay for any treatments you want.The argument I responded to was the crying about libs expecting someone else to pay for their healthcare, which is exactly what you are now doing.

          • SideTraKd

            Second grade reasoning. I would expect nothing more from a liberal.

            Too stupid to understand that insurance companies pay for NOTHING AT ALL… Ever.

            Insurance companies will always take more than they pay out. It’s the model for their business. And, since we are all now forced to participate in that business model, I’d say we have plenty of rights to complain when the insurance rates skyrocket, and the coverage gets worse. Especially when your messiah promised everyone the exact opposite.

            That’s not even talking about the push from the left to force us all into a single-payer system.

            Again, you liberals are so incredibly stupid.

        • Charles Kunold

          Can you explain to me where is the Constitution Obama has the legislative authority to delay any part of the bill? And since it is law, and the Constitution says that Congress makes all law how can Obama legally circumvent the Constitution? Over 30 delays Can you tell me the exact case which gives Obama the authority to violate the law? Cite the justice who wrote the majority opinion too.. And can you comment on Sebelius telling Congress that the enrollment date would NOT go beyond March 31st. Uh what happened?

          Can you also tell me where in the Constitution Obama has the legislative authority to force insurance companies to reissue plans that he had called substandard? Cite the case and the specific statute.

          Where in the ACA does Obama have the legislative authority to suddenly grant hardship exemptions? Where’s that i the bill? Cite page and subsection.

          Finally, you can waaaaaa all you want but that doesn’t change the fact that the ObamNuts administration’s roll out plan is still incomplete, the back end is still not done and you’re mocking us?Whatever aypak. That’s all you’ve got and you know it.. More people dropped than signed up and just signing up doesn’t mean their covered. They have pay the initial and subsequent premium payments and of course the Obummer administration doesn’t have the numbers. How nice. I guess if they delay it another 3 or 4 months they can claim success and people like you will come here to say absolutely nothing.

    • Archer305

      This has nothing to do with healthcare, contraception, abortifacients, “rights”, or anything that they claim it to be. It is straight up an assault on Christians (of which I am not strictly one) and Christian values for the sake of attacking Christians. Anything the far Left nutter-butters can do to remove one more brick from the mortar of the Christian value system will be done solely for that reason. Meanwhile Muslims get a free pass for “honor killings”, genital mutilation, rape, etc. because of an “at least it’s not a Christian” mentallity. Imagine if a Muslim business said they wouldn’t provide these abortifacients… You would hear crickets from the MSM and/or they would be saying “this is totally different than what is happening with hobby lobby for *insert illogical, ignorant, bigoted excuse here*”. I rarely curse on discussion boards, but seriously, if you don’t think hobby lobby has the right to run their business they THEY BUILT (re: Obama) according to their beliefs, f**k you… Don’t like it? Don’t work there.

      • Fairfax51

        Did we miss something? Since when did we enter a period where the employee has a right to tell the employer what he can or cannot do? Is Obama now assigning employees to employers so no one can leave their assigned employer?

        • nickdqwk

          If you like your employer you can keep your employer period.

          Sorry I couldn’t help myself! ;^)

          • Fairfax51

            Salright! I have days like that myself. ;o)

        • Sheila Coryell Porter

          I
          would like to know if Hobby Lobby’s health insurance pays for unmarried
          men to receive medical help with Erectile dysfunction or any sexual
          help? You can’t oppose one issue and support the other without
          seriously looking at your values. The issue is directly related to the
          birth control issue. It’s a valid question…!!

          The government spends $819 million annually on Viagra’

          ‘The government spends $782 million annually on Cialis’.

          ‘The government spent $172 million in the last five years on penis pumps.

          • Itsjust Penny

            Congress shall make no law regarding the establishment of religion, or the free exercise thereof.
            The big question should be, Why is it that the government spends all of that money on erectile dysfunction medication?
            Oh yeah, birth control pills and condoms have always been given out free at the local health department for decades.

          • Charles Kunold

            Unmarried men? Are they the only one’s that have that problem? Married men don’t?

            You are factually incorrect. You are trying to make case law when it does not exist. The Hobby Lobby case does not have anything to do Viagra. Viagra doesn’t terminate pregnancies does it?

            And you conveniently omitted that Hobby Lobby only rejects 4 of the 20 listed. Why did you fail to mention that?

            The government doesn’t spend $172 million on penis pumps, insurance companies do. Do you know anything?

            Why does Planned Parenthood get 505(c)b status and get $450 million taxpayers dollars to murder fetuses?

            I guess the fact they do in utero surgeries to correct defects like blocked urinary tracts, hiatal hernia’s lessen the effects of spinal bifida?

            Finally you’re saying we should look at or values? That’s funny coming from somone whose side had Kermit Gosnell murdering babies after they were born. What do your values say about that?

      • Timothy Powell

        Muslim businesses can apply for a RELIGIOUS CONSCIENCE EXEMPTION from ACA because the “concept” of insurance violates their religion. That’s ok, but Hobby Lobby trying to exclude 4 items of contraceptives is not? Oh the hypocrisy….

      • R. Keys

        Don’t forget Muslims ARE EXEMPT from the individual mandate, at least. That’s in ring-kissing deference to the prohibition on insurance at all, for Muslims…

      • TheAmishDude

        Daddy issues all the way down. They don’t care what the consequences are, as long as they’re sticking it to daddy, or the perceived paternal authority figure.

        Strangely, that’s never government.

      • Gstephens

        Funny you should mention the Muslim connection. There is an exception written in the law for Muslims. Those sects which don’t believe in insurance may opt out altogether with no penalties.

        • Itsjust Penny

          How do I get in on that exception? Is there a form to fill out and how is it verified? We should all use it, LOL.

      • imonmyway

        Minus one star-studded word, I totally agree, Archer!

      • Sheila Coryell Porter

        The government spends $819 million annually on Viagra’

        ‘The government spends $782 million annually on Cialis’.

        ‘The government spent $172 million in the last five years on penis pumps.

        I
        would like to know if Hobby Lobby’s health insurance pays for unmarried
        men to receive medical help with Erectile dysfunction or any sexual
        help? You can’t oppose one issue and support the other without
        seriously looking at your values. The issue is directly related to the
        birth control issue. It’s a valid question…!!

        • Archer305

          And what does any of that have to do with the religious and individual freedom of the business owner to not go against their morality, religion, or ethics of any kind? I can’t force a gay businessman to do something in a “hetero” way b/c I feel like it, but a gay man can tell businesses that they must do things their way. Hypocrisy abounds!

          Also, where are you getting these numbers? I am not denying that they are true, just curious. And if they are spending that, it is still different from an individual’s right to not violate their own beliefs. Don’t like it, don’t shop or work there. Personally, I don’t think the government should be paying for these things. Isn’t it the insurance companies doing it anyways?

    • Bert Carley

      3000 annual condom costs?What does each condom cost .Sound like she is very busy on her back

      • ScaryCheri

        careful now, that’s how Rush got into trouble, lol

      • indiana_conservative

        That is 8.2 times a day 365 days a year. I don’t think hookers get that much activity. Liberals just throw an imaginary number out there to exaggerate a point.

    • TheAmishDude

      Oh, if only it were condoms, it’s for oral contraception. Which is a public health hazard. Because people take it not worrying about pregnancy and gleefully pass on STDs.

      • Donna Acosta

        Not to mention the health hazard all the leftover hormones cause in the water supply. But let’s not talk about that…!

      • mrspinky85

        There are also BC injections, diaphragm, implants, and Iuds. But, agreeing with your point, not all methods protect against STDs. Which should be brought up if they care about a woman’s health. The most prominent group rising with new HIV diagnosis are black women.

    • Sheila Coryell Porter

      I
      would like to know if Hobby Lobby’s health insurance pays for unmarried
      men to receive medical help with Erectile dysfunction or any sexual
      help? You can’t oppose one issue and support the other without
      seriously looking at your values. The issue is directly related to the
      birth control issue. It’s a valid question…!!

      The government spends $819 million annually on Viagra’

      ‘The government spends $782 million annually on Cialis’.

      ‘The government spent $172 million in the last five years on penis pumps.

      • tamara1964

        lord, woman….charles kunold already rolled up your question and stuffed it back in the hole it came from. this is the 3rd time (so far) that i’ve seen you posted it. soon as erectile dysfunction kills a baby, you can trot your talking points back out. until then….clam up!

  • nc ✓s & balances

    Even the Fox News chyron was using this terminology today, that it was a case of “religious freedom vs. employee contraception coverage.” So maddening!

    • Catchance

      Many people don’t know the difference between a contraceptive and an abortifacient. Plan B and IUDs “prevent” a viable pregnancy by preventing an egg from attaching to the uterine wall. Ella does the same, but adds a little extra with an ingredient that is toxic to the zygote.

      • Fairfax51

        So lets quit calling it abortifacient. Lets call it “the morning after abortion”. Can win an argument telling people contraception is not abortifacient. Most reply “What the h is abora what?”

  • JeffWRidge

    The Greens are standing up for the rights of all of us, even those of us who are not religious. Either we stand with them, or watch as more of our liberties are stolen from us.

  • Comrade Hadenov

    So Sandra expects her boss to pay for her birth control? Didn’t know her pimp provided that for her, but Hobby Lobby should be free to follow their conscience, just as Sandra ignores hers.

    • NRPax

      I figured with her law degree that she wouldn’t be working in a craft store.

      • Comrade Hadenov

        Lawyers, politicians and prostitutes, not much difference. I did hear she was considering a run for the House of Representatives.

        • NRPax

          She was going to try for Waxman’s available seat but she’s looking at a state office now.

          • Comrade Hadenov

            A trifecta for her then.

          • Fairfax51

            Is that another abortion method she wants us to pay for? trimester trifecta? ;o)

          • iconoclast33

            With her ability to draw crowds well into the single digits, she should be a lock for any seat. And one might note that she was not satisfied with the government mandating we pay for her health care, she now wants taxpayers to pay her salary as well.

          • indiana_conservative

            Wendy Davis may have something in her imaginary cabinet as Governor.

        • Cantbelieveyouthinkthis

          Not even close, I have respect for prostitutes. They let you know up front how much it will cost to screw you and what you are getting for the money…..SO I AM told that is.

          • NRPax

            Heard it from a friend?

          • Cantbelieveyouthinkthis

            LOL yep a REALLY GOOD friend.

      • John Thomas “Jack” Ward III

        Yeah..She’d be flipping Burgers somewhere, wouldn’t she? XD Jawamax 8<{D}

  • Kathy Ann

    So @SandraFluke is the newer, younger version of Medea Benjamin? No common sense, no real knowledge, unbelievable ability to parrot talking points, and is somehow gets attention. How does this dimwit merit more than pity?

    • Pendog

      To them(the Benjamin posse) she’s cost-effective since they don’t have to buy her a giant vagina costume.

  • Spinmamma

    Sandra Fluke is the poster child for why you should not send your kids to Cornell or Georgetown. OK. It’s a toss up between her and Wendy Davis as to who gets to be poster child for despicable lawyers who have an ivy league education but still think only with their lady parts, and I use the term “lady” .ahem, loosely.

    • Republicanvet

      Loosely is a rather fitting term.

      • iconoclast33

        That’s so wrong on so many levels… but I like it. Ha! I would say that if it is “loosely” then it can’t actually be “fitting” can it? 😉

        • Republicanvet

          I agonized for about 3 seconds over whether I should choose other terms….then figured it was perfect for allowing anyone to think what they wanted.

    • JD Son

      She is also an excellent after school special about the damaging effects of common core.

    • 😈Pj4🎭🎶

      To be fair, Davis is Abortion Barbie but Fluke is more like…..Garbage Pail Contraceptive Kid

  • drw

    I know there are guys out there with pretty low standards but, I still can’t figure out what this one needs birth control for. It’s common knowledge that you can’t get pregnant from a toilet seat, right?

    • HomeyTheClown

      Low standards, Bill Clinton comes to mind but she’d never get knocked up by a cigar………….

      • drw

        Depends what your definition of “is” is.

    • $9844146

      WhoDat would HitDat.

    • JD Son

      I don’t think a hazmat suit would be enough for that.

      • drw

        Maybe if you put it on backward? Naw, not even then.

  • JohnnyN2O

    I’d pay to have someone staple her mouth shut

    • Worship Dancer

      um that’s not the only thing that needs to be stapled shut on that critter.

      • blockthiscnn

        Now who in their right mind would engage that creature in coi-never mind, I just remembered there are liberal men.

        • ceemack

          I assume you’re using the term “men” in a very broad sense.

          • blockthiscnn

            No, I’m using it in the male sense

            *badumbump*

            Sorry ladies, had to go for the easy one. You may now flog me at your leisure

        • MrSnuggles2k2

          Pajama boy springs to mind.

          • blockthiscnn

            That’s not the only place he springs

            Look, a sale at Penny’s!

        • Worship Dancer

          **SHUDDER** ACK ACK ACK as bill the cat would say. need this immediately – oh the thought

    • Ms. Abigail van Beagle

      The whole time you’d have to listen to her discourse on how men are keeping women down and oppressing them, and reciting everything she learned in her women’s studies classes. Pretty big turnoff.

  • John$Galt

    Someone should ask Sandra…what if you are employed by the Govt.?..is there not a common sense ‘catch 22’ scenario in there somewhere?

  • Russel aka ‘Rusty’ Shackleford

    She is not aging well. I can almost see the cankles growing on her by the minute.

  • Chip

    I don’t want my boss, OR MY GOVERNMENT, in my healthcare decisions!!!

  • Maxx

    Sandra Fluke crib notes:

    “I don’t want my boss to be involved in any of my health care decisions that don’t involve paying for ’em.”

  • WhoDat

    Plan B isn’t an abortifacient.

    Hobby Lobby is a corporation. If they wanted to have total control over what is done, they need to be a sole proprietorship.

    The issue is not about Catholic hospitals or charities, churches, religious orders or anything like that. It is, pure and simple, about owners of a for-profit corporation seeking exemption from secular laws that they believe conflict with their PERSONAL religious faith.

    Under traditional corporation law, the corporation is treated as a separate legal entity whose actions do not legally reflect upon the shareholders or officers of the corporation. Thus, under this analysis, the corporation does not act as the shareholders. The most common manifestation of this principle is that the acts of the corporation do not create liability for the shareholders or officers of the corporation. They are, in the eyes of corporation law, completely distinct and separate entities.

    • disappearing moderate

      According to FDA labeling, plan is an abortifacient. This drug works by preventing ovulation, preventing the fertilization of an egg by sperm or by preventing the attachment of a fertilized egg to the uterus (implantation).

    • Republicanvet

      Keep twisting that religious freedom pretzel all you want.

      Is SCOTUS also asking to look at how this plays in regards to Citizens United?

      I won’t look it up for you, but you are wrong on whether a corporations officers cannot be held liable for the actions of the corporation. Your mentioning shareholders is a red herring.

      Oh, and your Preezy Boyfriend isn’t stopping at forcing for-profit corporations to ignore their beliefs. That’s why nuns are also suing because they too would be forced to ignore their beliefs and provide birth control.

      By the way, where did you cut and paste your comment from? I have seen enough of yours, and the above is not from you.

      • WhoDat

        I do believe the courts decided they were exempt.

    • NRPax

      I guess you didn’t bother noticing that there were only four methods of birth control that Hobby Lobby wasn’t providing, right? Or are you going to try saying that people need those four particular drugs?

      • WhoDat

        The point isn’t whether they cover the others, the point is they’re trying to use their corporation to push their personal religious beliefs.

        • NRPax

          And now you are being ridiculous. Again.

          They are not preventing their employees from getting birth control that isn’t covered under their plan.

          • WhoDat

            They aren’t, but they expect their employees to pay out of pocket for them.

          • NRPax

            Someone’s inability to budget out for their personal lives doesn’t really concern me at all.

          • drw

            Their employees should be paying out-of-pocket for ALL of their birth control. This is the most ridiculous part of the ACA. Birth control has nothing to do with health care. Except in extremely rare cases it’s merely a convenience. A method to avoid needing health care. Insurance was never intended to nor should ever be mandated to cover “daily” expenses and it was only included to show women how “concerned” the left is for women’s “rights”. It’s a propaganda tool. Next, I suppose, you’ll insist that your auto carrier include scheduled maintenance in your policy sans deductible.

          • WhoDat

            Using your logic, my parents’ insurance shouldn’t be covering their daily insulin injections or heart meds. Are you saying they should be paying for all of that out of pocket?

            Birth control has a lot more uses than pregnancy prevention.

          • NRPax

            Do insulin injections or heart meds terminate a pregnancy? And are they available over the counter?

          • WhoDat

            Does Plan B or ella?

          • NRPax

            Plan B does, yes. Are you going to answer my question or keep deflecting?

          • WhoDat

            It doesn’t.

            They require a prescription.

          • blockthiscnn

            semantics; if I’m not mistaken, Plan B prevents a fertilized egg from implanting. While not all fertilzed eggs implant naturally, it is still an abortifacient in the sense that it artificially halts the pregnancy process AFTER conception has occured.

          • pjcostello

            No, it doesn’t.

          • drw

            That’s a stretch, even for you. By your logic, my insurance company should be providing me with insulin injections and heart medication whether I need it or not.

          • NRPax

            I’m surprised that didn’t get added to Obamacare myself.

          • drw

            Not enough propaganda value.

          • WhoDat

            You’re the one that compared car insurance, which is meant to be catastrophic, to health insurance, which isn’t.

          • drw

            That doesn’t change the fact that birth control is not required to maintain the health of the vast majority of women. It’s primary use is to allow for recreational sex and although I have no problem with people having recreational sex, I do not believe it should be the responsibility of any but the participants to foot the bill.

          • WhoDat

            If you’re paying insurance already, you might as well have birth control coverage.

          • drw

            I don’t need birth control coverage. My wife doesn’t need birth control coverage. None of my siblings need birth control coverage. My mother doesn’t need birth control coverage. Tell me please, why should we all have to pay for something we do not need. And this doesn’t even take into consideration that your insurance company doesn’t administer the costs associated with your claims out of the goodness of their heart. They expect (rightfully) to be compensated for their efforts thus driving up the cost of said birth control.
            Face it guy, the people who benefit most from this are the hypocrats who’s only real concern is manipulating the masses. Most of the people this was “intended” to help are young enough that they shouldn’t need more than a basic catastrophic insurance policy which, by the way, they can’t get anymore.

          • carmenta

            and Hobby Lobby already provides birth control coverage! So problem solved, right?

            Think of it this way – I have to buy shoes for my kid; there are 20 pairs available in his size – 4 of those pairs are unacceptable to me, the person who is paying for the shoes. Does my kid have a right to sue for those pairs to also be available to him, or should he choose from among the available options? If he wants one of those 4 pairs that I deem unacceptable, should he have to pay for them himself?

          • QueenB

            I know my 60 year old gay uncle is super-duper excited to be paying for birth control, because ya never know when a guy like that might knock somebody up.

          • mrspinky85

            She is always free to go find the insurance that can do that. If she doesn’t like the insurance that Hobby Lobby provides in their plans, than she can work at a company that does provide what she wants. Ah, the free market at work.

          • Zach Smith

            Or, she could simply purchase them directly, which is cheaper than adding layers of expensive bureaucracy.

          • mrspinky85

            They’re not even as expensive as the left says.

          • QueenB

            And why not? Perhaps the reason medical costs have risen at the rate they have is because people have no idea what they’re really paying or what they’re really paying for. There’s a middle man (insurance companies) that prevent you from seeing the real costs.

          • mrspinky85

            Some people only want catastrophic insurance. But Obamacare wants them to get more things.

          • mzk1_1

            Not if they didn’t contract for it.

          • Pete Campbell

            You’re not using logic. Daily insulin injections and heart meds are required to keep people alive. Birth control has nothing to do with health. Get a clue…

          • The_Livewire

            WhoDat,

            What other medical uses do abortifcants have? As to your parents coverage, they havethe same option that all people do. If your plan doesn’t cover it… find another plan. *plus* currently medical expenses are tax deductable, so keep records.

          • QueenB

            Abortifacients don’t, and THOSE are the drugs HL doesn’t want to be forced to cover. BTW – there are people who USED to have their medications covered but since Obamacare, not so much.

          • Flomox

            are you seriously comparing diabetes to pregnancy prevention? LOLOL

          • iconoclast33

            True. You can make balloon animals out of condoms. But honestly, if a woman has a medical need for bc, then it should be covered by insurance. And I am pretty sure it was even before “A”CA was enacted. But bc just for its basic use as a contraceptive? No, that should not be the responsibility others. The ones who want it should pay for it themselves. And therein is the problem. People like Fluke believe that want = need. Most women don[t NEED the bc, they WANT it. It is not anyone else’s responsibility to pay for the things you want. Besides, we aren’t talking big money here. I’ll bet most women spend more on Starbucks lattes every month than they do bc. $10 a month at Walmart. Then lets factor in how much they now have to pay in premiums to get their “free” bc. Was it really worth it? Unless you are getting a subsidy that pays 99% of your premiums, I kind of doubt it.

          • blockthiscnn

            *exagerated shocked inhailing noise*

            Nooooooooo, say it isn’t so

          • journogal

            Welcome to the real world…shocking that an employer expects their employee to be responsible and take care of their own needs. Since when it is required by the employer to provide everything for their employee? At what point in the employee’s life do they become a responsible adult. You do know that those who provide (i.e. employer, government or another “better”) can take away at a later date. You are giving another entity power over your life. So, instead of the employee taking care of themselves and their needs, they need to depend on others, who may take it away from them at a later date?

          • pjcostello

            Oh my! You have to buy your own condoms?!??!? What is this world coming to???

          • Ms. Abigail van Beagle

            Don’t tell him that not only does he have to shell out $5 a pack for condoms, but actually has to let enough blood stay in his brain to remember to PUT ONE ON BEFORE SEX. Maybe the employer should have a rep on hand to make Whodat use a condom and explain what to do with it.

          • pjcostello

            Assuming he has enough money left over to pay the lady…

          • QueenB

            Awww…..you mean like I had to? I guess women today are just too darn stupid to figure out how to do that. At least that’s what democrats tell them. You’re too stupid to figure out how to pay for your own birth control and you’re such a delicate flower someone calling you “bossy” will hurt your oh-so-delicate self esteem.

          • mrspinky85

            And so what. If they don’t want the employer in between them and the doctor, then them paying for it themselves alleviates the employer from getting involved. You can’t say you don’t want me involved and then say you want me to pay. You can’t have it both ways.

        • LinTaylor ✓vitrified

          That doesn’t make sense. What you’re saying only works if Hobby Lobby had some kind of internal order forbidding employees from ever purchasing Plan B or similar drugs, which is not what they’re doing. They’re simply refusing to cover said drugs on the company insurance. If a Hobby Lobby employee wants Plan B, they’re perfectly free to go buy it out of pocket.

          • NRPax

            Lin, you forget that in the eyes of a liberal, unless the woman is not being presented every form of birth control for free, delivered by cute men (or women, depending) to their doorstep, then you are a Christofascist who wants little girls to get abortions via coathangers.

            Oh, and you’re a H8R too.

          • WhoDat

            They’re using their personal religious beliefs to dictate what a corporation does.

            Do you not see the slippery slope?

          • NRPax

            Every person who runs a corporation uses their beliefs and their values when determining how to run the company. No one is immune to that.

          • LinTaylor ✓vitrified

            So the other 16 birth control medications they DO cover aren’t worth a thin dime simply because they refuse to offer morning after-type medications?

            And tell me, isn’t there a slippery slope when it comes to telling people that their personal beliefs can be overridden at any time by the whim of the government?

          • WhoDat

            You’re the pharmacy expert, answer me this: are the ones they won’t cover really all that different than the ones they do?

            They want all the rights and protections of a corporation and also want to exercise their personal beliefs with the law? Shouldn’t work like that.

          • drw

            “They want all the rights and protections of a corporation and also want to exercise their personal beliefs? Shouldn’t work like that.”

            Why?
            Not one of their employees is forced to work there. If any of their employees disagrees with their policy, they have every right to seek employment elsewhere. Most companies explain to the potential employee their philosophy, pay schedule, and benefits package prior to hiring them and either party has a right to refuse the others offer.
            What is wrong with expecting people to take responsibility for their own lives?

          • mzk1_1

            You have the soul of a fascist.

          • pjcostello

            That moron has no soul, and no brain. Flag the troll and move on.

          • journogal

            Is Hobby Lobby tying their employees down and forcing them to work for them? Are the employees incapable of quitting and finding another job, one where the employer has similar belief systems.
            Do you really think that the majority of people are incapable of making decisions for themselves, and need either a union and/or the government guide them through life? No one is forced to work at Hobby Lobby, no one is forcing to stay there and believe it to not, they can refuse the benefit package. But then again, this is taking responsibility for oneself, something you believe others can’t handle without a support system.

          • carmenta

            ‘They want all the rights and protections (of a corporation) and also want to exercise their personal beliefs with the law?’ my parenthesis.

            Sound like someone currently resident in the Spite House much?

          • Ms. Abigail van Beagle

            Are you familiar with a “formulary”?
            There’s a list of drugs every insurance plan covers. If your drug isn’t on there, it’s tough luck. Sometimes they cover the generic, sometimes they don’t. Sometimes your med isn’t on the formulary and you have to suck it up and deal. This one covers birth control. Just not every single type of birth control.
            Oh, and birth control is what you do BEFORE you get pregnant.

          • drw

            No, they’re using personal religious beliefs to dictate what THEIR corporation does not.
            Do you not see the slippery slope?

          • mzk1_1

            “They’re using their personal religious beliefs to dictate what a corporation does. ”
            A Church is a corporation.

          • blockthiscnn

            No, the slippery slope is the government forcing citizens to purchase a product when there is absolutely no compelling reason to do so.

          • mike_in_kosovo

            And Apple doesn’t give employees Surface tablets.

            Planning on eventually making a point that’s actually germane to the conversation?

        • TocksNedlog

          “We don’t allow no corporations to be religious around here, boy!”

        • mrspinky85

          Why should I be FORCED to violate my religious convictions? So my religious convictions go out the window just because I want to be an entrepreneur. The Constitution says we have freedom of religion and the exercise there of. If a person doesn’t like my convictions they have the freedom to work somewhere else.
          The left sure is making it difficult for us entrepreneurs to want to open a business which is needed in this economy.

          • WhoDat

            A corporation is not a person, it can’t have religious beliefs.

          • journogal

            But unions are people, right?
            Tell me, do corporations not have founders? Let’s take Marriott, for example. Marriotts are real people, a real family that established a corporation. Disney is another one with real people who founded it and real people who work at it. They have a corporate environment, meaning those they hire are informed about their beliefs and how jobs should get done. That is the point where the potential employee can say, “thanks, but not thanks.” No one is tying them up and forcing them to work somewhere they don’t want to.
            Corporations are made up of people from the founders to the shareholders to the employees, or do you think robots make up a corporation? Corporations are made up of people who make it work. Corporation is really a tax term. There are different levels of corporations.
            Hope you aren’t employ by an evil corporation. I assume a lot that you own comes from a corporation, you know, those things aren’t people.

          • WhoDat

            Say someone gets sick by eating bad food at a Disney Park or a Marriott resort.

            Do the victims sue the owners personally or do they sue the company? I’d venture to say the company.

            The owners and/or shareholders in a corporation are generally personally isolated from lawsuits.

            Sounds like, to me, the Green family wants to no longer enjoy that protection.

          • mrspinky85

            So, in order to run a business I must give up my religious convictions. Is that what you are saying? 16 out of 20 fda approved birth control methods isn’t enough?

          • mrspinky85

            I set my business up as an LLC so if I add partners I won’t get burned by them. Also, I picked this one so if my business flops my house or other personal assets won’t be harmed. Most people are looking at this from the employee standpoint but we business owners are people who have families to take care of also. I just think most people don’t think about us or look at us as the bad guy.

          • mrspinky85

            Honestly, that doesn’t matter. I’m not giving up my religious convictions just because I want to live my dream of owning a business and then a food bank to honor my grandmother.
            According, to the link below I don’t have to provide coverage at all because I’ll have less than 50 employees. However, I will do so within what I can afford. All the gov’t tape to start a business makes this so difficult. People who want to stick it to big business are hurting us little guys more.
            http://www.zanebenefits.com/blog/bid/289948/Does-My-Employer-Have-to-Provide-Health-Insurance

    • LinTaylor ✓vitrified

      For the sake of argument, let me relate a little story from my job. You see, I work in a pharmacy. Out of all the medicines we sell, there’s one in particular that has a special rule attached to it, which allows employees to opt out of selling it (in which case they hand off the sale to another employee) if they have a personal objection to dispensing said medication.

      Care to guess which medication I’m talking about? I’ll give you a hint: it ends with the letter B.

      • NRPax

        To be honest with you, Lin, I was more than a little irritated about the pharmacists that refused to fill birth control prescriptions. Handing it off is a better approach.

        • LinTaylor ✓vitrified

          The only time I’ve seen any kind of problem with dispensing birth control (either in medical or condom form) or pregnancy tests is if the would-be buyer is obviously underage.

          • NRPax

            Understandable. My ire was directed towards situations where the person was an adult.

          • LinTaylor ✓vitrified

            Well, there was one time when a girl asked for a pregnancy test, then asked if she could pay at the regular registers (our pharmacy was part of a major grocery chain). The head pharmacist watched her walk off, then a few seconds later remarked “…Yup, I thought so, she’s headed for the bathrooms.” I didn’t see her leave, but the boss did, and she said the girl didn’t look too happy.

    • TocksNedlog

      Complete and utter bullsh*t

      • WhoDat

        Thanks for your inept input.

        • TocksNedlog

          No matter how much you may wish it to be so, there just isn’t a constitutional right to health insurance.

          • WhoDat

            Might want to tell that to the Supreme Court that has upheld the core of The ACA.

          • NRPax

            Actually, the only reason it was upheld is because it was ruled to be a tax, not a Constitutional right for health care.

            Oh, and you remember the “If you like your plan, you can keep it” promise? The man who said that also said “No one making under $250k would see a new tax.” Any idea what happened to that promise?

          • WhoDat

            Either way, it’s still the law.

            Irrelevant.

          • NRPax

            Actually, it is relevant. There is still nothing in the Constitution that says it’s the government’s job to mandate health insurance. The only reason it was upheld as the law is that it’s a tax.

            And laws that are wrong should be fought. This is what Hobby Lobby is doing.

          • WhoDat

            They have the right to tax and regulate interstate Commerce.

          • NRPax

            But there is nothing that says that they have the right to compel purchase of a service.

            So out of curiosity: Why is Hobby Lobby’s request for a religious based exemption wrong in your eyes when hundreds of unions were granted Obamacare waivers?

          • WhoDat

            I don’t believe unions are for-profit corporations.

          • NRPax

            Which explains the six figure incomes union executives receive.

          • WhoDat

            If the members don’t like it, they can give the executives the boot or cut their pay.

            Or, like you say, they can find another job.

          • blockthiscnn

            Funny thing, many people in my union hate Obamacare. It still made our insurance go up.

          • QueenB

            And I don’t believe I should have to pay for other women’s birth control.

          • MrSnuggles2k2

            Health insurance CANNOT be sold out of state, hence every state having its own exchange. So actually you are providing a very good reason why the feds have no right to regulate health insurance.

          • mike_in_kosovo

            Insurance isn’t sold between states.

            Try again.

          • mzk1_1

            So was the Fugitive Slave Act.

          • QueenB

            You should tell Obama that because he keeps changing it.

          • pjcostello

            Agreed, You and your ilk are absolutely, positively irrelevant.

          • TocksNedlog

            The SCOTUS declared that citizens have a constitutional right to purchase/possess health insurance? Uh, NO, actually they said no such thing.

          • mzk1_1

            It also said that Black people have no rights that white people need to respect. Was that case decided correctly also? Don’t forget, the fugitive Slave Act was also the law!

          • WhoDat

            The Fugitive Slave Act and the Affordable Care Act are lot even close to the same. But, I smell what you’re cookin.

          • mike_in_kosovo

            But, I smell what you’re cookin.

            The perfectly accurate rebuttal to your ‘it’s the law’ idiocy?

          • blockthiscnn

            The law was upheld as a tax, not a constitutional right.

    • mzk1_1

      It isn’t? Please explain. Also explain how this does not affect a Catholic hospital that self-insures?

      Also explain, according to your logic, why the government cannot censor the New York Times, a for-profit corporation.

    • Zach Smith

      So what you are actually saying is that religious people must eschew their religion to take advantage of tax and other benefits offered by the federal government. I’m pretty sure that’s not what the founding fathers intended when they drafted the first amendment.

  • Republicanvet

    If my boss, with his religious beliefs, should not be involved in my health coverage, why is this nasty skank involved in mine, and what coverage I am required to pay for?

    • NRPax

      Whatever level of coverage will keep her away?

  • Republicanvet

    How did this dizzy bimbo, needing $3000 a year for birth control, make it to her age without getting pregnant?

    Did she just realize she could get pregnant?

    • Zach Smith

      Wouldn’t it be ironic if she was actually sterile?

      • pjcostello

        Only WhoDat would even look twice at her.

  • http://www.GONINERS.com/ Kristine ✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

    Hobby Lobby offers health care, dental coverage, retirement accounts, and their base pay is almost twice the federal minimum wage. They close by 8pm and are closed on Sundays so employees can be at home.

    You’d think the Left would LOVE them.

    • NRPax

      There’s still that icky “Christian” part that bothers the Left so much.

    • Republicanvet

      Nothing is more sacrosanct to a leftist than preserving the ability to have sex without consequences. Be it birth control, abortifacients, abortion, late term abortion or even partial birth abortion.

      • WhoDat

        Humans are sexual beings.

        • NRPax

          So that whole “Free Will” God gave us is secondary to being “sexual beings.” Noted.

          • WhoDat

            Your free will includes being sexual or not.

          • NRPax

            So your life decisions have to be funded by your employer. Cool worldview, bro.

          • WhoDat

            I help them make a product and a profit, don’t I?

            I expect something from them.

          • NRPax

            You get a paycheck and you get whatever benefits can be negotiated. I noticed that you ignored Lin and myself pointing out that there are other birth control options that they do fund. So in your eyes, everything has to be offered or it’s unacceptable?

          • WhoDat

            It’s great they allow their plans to cover those other forms. The ones they don’t want to allow aren’t much different from what they do cover.

            But, still, that isn’t the core issue, in my eyes.

          • NRPax

            Then don’t work for Hobby Lobby. Problem solved, problem staying solved.

          • WhoDat

            Never intend to. Nor shop there. If I wanted crap made in China, I’d get it cheaper on EBay.

          • QueenB

            Of course not. The core issue to you is forcing people who work hard to support their families to support yours as well.

          • pjcostello

            Aside from a paycheck? Typical idiot leftist mentality.

          • mzk1_1

            Exactly.

        • Zach Smith

          They also poop. Should your employer buy your toilet paper for you, too?

          • WhoDat

            Yes. The most expensive kind there is.

        • blockthiscnn

          So you agree with the premise of sex without consequences.

          Did you know you don’t always have to do what your genitals say you have to do?

          • Jay Stevens

            Good thing too, or the rates for rape would be sky high.

        • Jay Stevens

          “Humans are sexual beings.”
          So are rats.

          • unknown

            I would have went with rabbits given what that expression represents

  • lesterwink23

    Ms. Fluke is the perfect poster girl for the modern-day liberal mentality: give me what I want, but don’t you dare have an opinion of your own. What a spoiled, selfish, insufferable wench.

    • NRPax

      “Keep your laws off my body but pay for what I want to do with it!”

  • Lisa Wiese

    Sandra needs to go to work for a Pimp…..Oh, wait, I guess she already is!

  • JD Son

    Oh Sandra, bless your heart. Maybe try laying off whatever you are on. I don’t feel compelled to pay for freeloaders for anything, including birth control or abortions for that fact. Get a clue.

    • WhoDat

      If they’re getting it from their employers, you aren’t paying anything toward it.

      • mzk1_1

        Really? It’s not reflected in prices?

      • Zach Smith

        That requirement is now in everyone’s insurance. We all must pay. It is also ridiculous, because it is simply the insurance company acting as an expensive middle man between policyholders and pharmacy. This is not how you hold down health costs. This is a political regulation to help the Democrats sell their cynical “War on Women.”

        • WhoDat

          They tried to do single payer, but that didn’t happen.

          • Jibber Jabber Joe

            Single payer just means wealth redistribution and always results in mediocre care and rationing of services. Why? Just to make it easier for sponges and slackers? Not fair.

          • Onyx

            Replace “sponges and slackers” by “the less affluent”, and you’ve got it right. And the assertion that *any* level of wealth redistribution must lead (as day follows night) to mediocre products and rationing isn’t borne out by logic or history. We’ve had a progressive tax system for generations, with varying levels of “redistribution” being employed. I don’t find myself waiting in bread lines.

          • pjcostello

            Actually, it’s ABSOLUTELY borne out by facts and history. Maybe you should read more?

          • mrspinky85

            So, since your life isn’t bad it’s ok for you to live on the back of others.

            http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/t/thomassowe440805.html

          • Zach Smith

            “I don’t find myself waiting in bread lines.”
            That’s because you don’t live in Venezuela. In the US, we have been able to beat back the march toward communism. In Venezuela Hugo Chavez had a free hand.

          • mike_in_kosovo

            I don’t find myself waiting in bread lines

            No, just at the mailbox.

          • Zach Smith

            Thank God.

          • mike_in_kosovo

            No they didn’t.

      • drw

        Um, yeah, we really are. And guess what, if you have insurance, you are too. The ACA (sebelious rules) mandates that there can be no cost difference between policies for male/female. Further, all mandated coverages must be included in all policies. Now the insurance companies don’t really expect their male enrollees to need birth control and since they can’t charge women who may (or not) need that coverage any additional premium, how do you suppose they determine the best way to avoid a loss?

      • carla5731

        From an article Megan McArdle wrote over at Bloomberg:

        “Regular, predictable expenses such as birth-control pills cannot be defrayed by insurance; they can only be prepaid, with a markup for the insurer’s administrative costs. The extra cost is passed on by the insurers to your employer, and from your employer to you and your fellow workers, either by raising your contribution or lowering the wage they are willing to offer. There’s obviously some cross-subsidy from your fellow employees who don’t use birth control, but overall, there’s no particular reason to force insurers to cover a minor and predictable expense.”

        Notice the part about the markup for administrative costs. In the government’s quest to lure voters with “free” birth control, all they actually did is make the product more expensive and spread that cost around to everyone.

        Self-employed people, who are buying insurance just for themselves, have to pay for birth control coverage too, even if they don’t use the product. There’s no way to opt-out even if you are your own employer.

      • QueenB

        Right, because things like how much it costs to hire an employee never figures in to how much that business charges for their services or products.

      • Humanary Stew

        Great grasp of economics there.

  • mzk1_1

    We need to stop to calling them contraceptives.

    Can someone tell me if Hobby Lobby self-insures?

    If I were them, I would open a mail-order business now. If they have one, I would heavily publicize it. Do you have any idea how much business they would get from us?

  • Remy Carmichael

    Sandra, why should anyone but YOU have the responsibility to buy a “tool” to allow you to have “recreational” sex? Why stop there? Why not demand the KY Jelly, the foreplay sex instruction tapes, your vibrator, or even your gigolo! Now we know where you came up with that $3000 cost figure!

    • Trudy Hill

      Just what I was thinking, don’t forget sexy underwear , oh and what about waxing !??

  • robert anthony

    Contraceptives are ‘health coverage’? Is there any word, fact or definition that liberals don’t imprison and torture?

  • James Perley

    I think there are some cases where contraceptives are prescribed for other than birth control. If that is true they would be for health coverage as medical pot is. Someone told me that, and I don’t know if it is true or not. As far as Sandra Fluke is concerned, she should thank her stars that her mother didn’t abort her. She is a free loader.

    • Laticia

      The contraceptives that are for regulating things other than preventing pregnancy are already included in the plan provided. The plan b contraceptives are for murder.of the baby.

    • pjcostello

      AND in Hobby Lobby’s case, they DO pay for 16 of the 20 different types of hormonal birth control; they are fighting against FOUR that are considered abortifacients. That’s it.

  • Idiots are Rampant

    Health care and health insurance are NOT the same thing.

  • ledzepp8

    “Your boss shouldn’t be involved in your health care decisions. The government should.” – Sandra Fluke

    ACA aside, when did it slowly become a mandatory thing for an employer to provide health insurance? It used to be a perk included in your compensation and salary. That’s why we called them benefits. Somewhere along the line we decided that all employees should be obligated to provide health coverage no matter what. We are so entitled as a society.

  • Abortion Barbie

    Isn’t her 15 minutes of fame up by now?

  • http://ITSPEOPLE.com/ Tantalus XVI

    I demand all of my ammo be subsidized of you’re all racist homophobes who eat babies rwarrrrrr! lol! God why is this woman still among us? Surely she still isn’t playing young college liberal? The woman is a character, a puppet, a freakin _____.

  • FirstBoot

    Sandra Fluke and her coven are not doing women any favors by encouraging them to be doormats (#banbossy) and encouraging them to mooch by forcing others to pay for what they want. How is that empowering women? She’s the future Hillery Clinton if she can find a powerful man to glom onto.

  • http://youhavetobethistalltogoonthisride.blogspot.com/ keyboard jockey

    Sandra Fluke is arguably devoid of any charisma. If mediocre was a brand name she could corner the market.

  • Richard Nightwood

    Who chose the header pic at her website, Fluke has the jutting jaw photo and looks plain ol’ mean.

    “Stand With Sandra”? More people spend time laying with Sandra.

  • stuckinIL4now

    “Your boss shouldn’t be involved in your health care decisions – that’s common sense.” So Flucky, I guess that would include not having to pay for your health care, and regarding paying for contraceptives–shouldn’t your boss stay out of your sex life too? I mean, there is no other reason to need contraception, is there?

  • alanstorm

    Remember, kids, liberals consider her to be smart.

    Make of that what you will.

  • notenoughtime

    Fluke is right, your boss should not be involved in your healthcare issues and O and his minions will see that employed provided healthcare is ended sooner than later. Her college education has certainly not raised her IQ. Newsflash, NO ONE can afford healthcare now!

    • pjcostello

      Well, it did take her like 12 years to graduate, so…

  • tamara1964

    contraception is 100% free if you abstain. $3000/yearly for condoms? when does she have time to be a student; are we sure we’re not paying for all those condoms because she’s a hooker or something by trade? how else does she have a need for that many condoms, if she’s not on her back most of the time?

  • tom

    Perhaps Fluke should limit herself to only sleeping with guys who will pony up for her contraceptives or abortions?

  • j p✓ʳᵉᶠʳᶦᵉᵈ

    If I want coverage for dental I have to find a company that offers it or pay it myself. My company won’t pay for a pair of glasses no matter how myopic I am. I pay my own dental. I don’t choose to have bad eyesight. Women can choose to not have sex, to use various methods of birth control or find a company willing to cover that. Why should that be a privilege above my eyes and teeth?

  • grumpyhillbilly

    I freely relinquish my right to vote so someone as idiotic as Sandra Fluke cannot vote. Sounds like what she really wants is a sugar daddy. Now why would she choose an employer to the sugar daddy is confusing. Has she never had a job?

    • Freddy Neat Shee

      It’s entirely possible her “employer” is her sugar daddy, if you catch my drift.

  • pjcostello

    OK… People, did you know that this stupid birth control BS is not written into the LAW, but is a ‘rule’ created by Sebelius? THAT means that the next HHS Secretary can REMOVE THE RULE!! The pendulum can, and will, swing back in the other direction. Vote in 2014 and 2016, and get the leftists OUT OF OFFICE.

  • Stephen L. Hall #NonquamTrump

    Get your birth control for nothing and your healthcare for free. Aaah, that ain’t workin’. That’s the way to do it.

    With apologies to Dire Straits.

    • John Thomas “Jack” Ward III

      Should be more like, “Healthcare for nothing, Birth Control for free”…From a Dire Straits fan… #MoneyForNothing #MarkKnopfler #GordonStingSumner #MusicTriviaTime Jawamax 8<{D}

  • http://youhavetobethistalltogoonthisride.blogspot.com/ keyboard jockey

    I want the government to stay out of my uterus….except to mandate that my employer provide me with access to contraceptives -even though I already have access to contraception, Sandra Fluke.

    • Tom Slick

      Any man with any sense at all would steer clear of Sandra Fluke’s uterus.

  • Maren

    Matthew totally wins for me. #Bossy

  • Miss Smarty

    Sandra if you’re sleeping with your boss, I guess you have the right to think he should pay for your health care contraception, otherwise I can’t imagine why you would involve your work place in your sex life to such a degree.

  • John Thomas “Jack” Ward III

    (To the tune of #”WhoompThereItIs #TagTeam #MusicTriviaTime Womb-to-the-Tomb!… #RushLimbaugh (That is, unless you’re an aborted fetus)…Sandra F(l)ucke(d) is saying Companies (like Hobby Lobby) or the Government should pay for Abortioficient Birth Control re:Morning after, or RU-486), even though it’s available anywhere, and cheaper than the 0BAMASCAMSCARE “Health Insurance” PONZI SCHEME…. Ah, the Liberals’ M.O.: Make everyone suffer, for the benefit of the few… Jawamax 8<{D}

  • Danny Wheeler

    Sandra Fluke’s mind is almost gone.

    • Tigerspike

      That’s the effects of syphilis.

  • jag11

    Designated shill for obamacare and the regressive agenda. Long history of “activism”. Not the false image painted by the left.

  • chaga

    Isn’t she getting too old to breed by now??

    • http://youhavetobethistalltogoonthisride.blogspot.com/ keyboard jockey

      Yes, she’s arguing it’s for the children/ LOL

  • http://youhavetobethistalltogoonthisride.blogspot.com/ keyboard jockey

    I can’t wait for Chief John Robert’s to decide that the “contraception mandate” is actually a tax not a penalty. If he had to endure Sandra Fluke’s banality for any length of time like the rest of us, he would rule in favor of it’s a penalty.

  • Steve__Jacobson

    Fluke like Steinem standing on her own as long as somebody else pays the freight for her.

    • http://youhavetobethistalltogoonthisride.blogspot.com/ keyboard jockey

      There is a list of these kind of women Elizabeth Warren, Wendy Davis, Sandra Fluke……I call it revenge of the brown birds, dull women of low intelligence and social climbing inclinations.

  • Rock ThisTown

    So according to Fluke, I have no involvement in something I pay for. That’s the same logic my kids try to use on me.

    “But Dad, it’s MY car – you can’t tell me how to drive!”
    “Until you pay for it, pay for gas, maintenance & insurance, AND turn 18, oh yes I can tell you how, when & where to drive, my precious angel.”

  • Proud2bfromtheUSA

    I think that an employer that makes you have sex for a living should pay for your contraceptives

    So unless she is a whore or a porn star (God NO) then she needs to shut up. I am all for making the sex trades and the porn industry pay for their sex workers contraceptives and condoms as well as their checkups.

  • mrspinky85

    Since people keep saying that “healthcare” is between them and their doctor that should mean that employers and the government should be out of the middle.

    • pjcostello

      Liberals conflate ‘healthcare’ and ‘health insurance’ and have done so since the Obamacare mess began.

      • mrspinky85

        I have been saying since this mess began that health insurance doesn’t equal healthcare. And health insurance does equal quality care. If doctors and insurance companies know now they are getting guarantee clients, then what motivation do they have to do more than mediocre services.

  • disqus_eric

    Sandra Flucked up again.

  • Ms. Abigail van Beagle

    It’s not about birth control.
    It’s about abortion.
    You can get birth control everywhere already and if you know how to use it, abortion shouldn’t be part of the equation.

    • ledzepp8

      It’s not even about providing “free” birth control. It’s about continuing their fight against the mythical “war on women” and demonizing their opposition while dividing the country further. If it was about contraception and birth control, then why are condoms not provided “free” to men? The whole thing is a damn joke.

  • Conservative Pitbull

    G-Town gal hasn’t had it for a while. That aspirin must be kicking in right about now.

  • Super Marsupial

    There’s no reasoning with a rabid dog. but here she was brain damaged before the rabies

  • Indynana

    Fluke of nature is indeed APTLY named !
    The definition of “fluke” = 5. parasitic flatworms having external suckers for attaching to a host ( NOW that describes Sandra Fluke)
    Meaning:
    Parasitic flatworms having external suckers for attaching to a host
    Classified under:
    Nouns denoting animals
    Synonyms:
    trematode; trematode worm; fluke
    Hypernyms (“fluke” is a kind of…):
    flatworm; platyhelminth (parasitic or free-living worms having a flattened body)
    Hyponyms (each of the following is a kind of “fluke”):
    Fasciola hepatica; liver fluke (flatworm parasitic in liver and bile ducts of domestic animals and humans)

  • mrspinky85

    What if Hobby Lobby loses this case? And then the owners still refuse to give in to the gov’t demands and close ALL their stores. Then they retire.
    How much healthcare coverage would they provide then? This would do wonders for our struggling economy.

  • Samantha Pfaff

    Since good dental care is also important for your overall health, maybe employers should buy toothbrushes, toothpaste and dental floss for their employees, too. Makes sense, right?

  • http://www.philweingart.net/ Phil Weingart

    I agree with Ms. Fluke more than she intends. I don’t think my employer should have anything whatsoever to do with my health insurance–including providing it. In fact, I would be ecstatic if the government removed every incentive for employers to provide health insurance, and thus returned insurance to the category of products available in the free market.

    I’m pretty sure that Ms. Fluke wouldn’t agree; but then, she’s not interested in intellectual consistency, just in rhetorical tricks that lead to an increase in the power of government.

    • mrspinky85

      I am a business major and I agree with you 100%. Healthcare coverage came out of competition between companies in the free market. Something that came as an extra benefit for the employees work. Nowadays because people got so accustomed to having their employer pay it for them, they are making demands.

      • Freddy Neat Shee

        There was nothing “free market” about wage caps, which is where healthcare coverage came from.

        • blockthiscnn

          Didn’t comapnies start offering insurance during WWII because of wage caps?

          • Freddy Neat Shee

            Yes — FDR implemented price controls on wages (wage caps), and so in order to compete for well-qualified workers, companies started offering other benefits that were not salary (such as life insurance, health insurance, etc.) as well. This is also where the phrase “nice work if you can get it” comes from — the bar for entry into the workforce was high, but if you could get a job, it was often a really good one. Sort of like what the administration is trying to do with the minimum wage now — raising it to $15/hr, as some socialists want, will increase unemployment and cause more companies to either close up shop, or employ machines to do the work that people won’t do, or pay people under the table.

  • Howard Earl

    I bet she is a cheap date. If you don’t mind standing on line, that is.

  • mackthefit

    Those nasty employers won’t buy my ammunition to defend myself against liberal intrusions. Why won’t they pay for my children’s private schooling? Since were in the business of making silly demands, why stop with contraception?

  • I_KICK_HIPPIES

    Why would Sandra Fluke require birth control? Visually it looks like nature has given her all she needs to prevent her from ever becoming pregnant.

  • AmericanLass

    How did it ever come about that conceptives are a matter of health care ?

    • Zach Smith

      As soon as the Democrats realized they could use it to pander to women voters.

  • hrwolfe

    There ya go, now you’ve done it YOU Brought the banned word Bossy into it, there will be hell to pay now!

  • Freddy Neat Shee

    Maybe Sandra Fluke’s boss, how do we say, “makes use” of her birth control ? And maybe she assumes that everyone else works for a Democrat, too?

  • Roy

    To think this ho bag is running for senate

    • ohspareme

      Actually she is not! Yay! :)

  • http://bigdeemagnifies.blogspot.com Diana Morrison

    A woman needs a man like a fish needs a bicycle, except she’s gotta have somebody pay for those pills.

  • LegalizeShemp

    Typical lib, you’re supposed to pay for everything they want, but you’re not allowed to make decisions on how your money is spent. Bums.

  • LegalizeShemp

    The libs keep confusing “lacks access” with “you won’t pay for it”. Another misdirection by the subversive Left.

  • GulfPundit

    She’s like the teenager who tells her parents to mind their own business and then demands money to go out with her friends.

    • Zach Smith

      The parents can say no, though. If you try to say no to Obamacare, you will face a painful extrajudicial sanction by the IRS.

    • mrspinky85

      This is a great analogy of this situation. They don’t want the employer involved but they do want them involved.

  • Gwamma

    What a dimwit….shows you that attending college doesn’t necessarily mean you are educated

    • Tom Winegar

      We once called them “over-educated idiots” as I recall.

  • Amy

    Dear Ms. Fluke, I propose that if you desire birth control then you can obtain a prescription and pay the $5-$10 a month cost for it at your local CVS or Target Pharmacy, which should not be a terribly difficult task for an educated woman such as yourself. If you cannot afford the minimal monthly cost for birth control, than as an eduction woman, I propose you not engage in activity that would lead to an unwanted pregnancy. Problem solved without any need to trample on anothers religious convictions. We in this country have a freedom of religion, not from religion.
    Thank you.

  • retsubcpo

    I have things changing color in my refrigerator that have more intellegnce and far more ethics than people like Fluke. A natural born democrat aka, bald faced liar.

  • TheAmishDude

    She’s a lawyer. And extremely well paid, IIRC.

    Single payer for lawyers.

    An idea whose time as come.

    • Zach Smith

      Legal work is a fundamental human right. No lawyer should be able to refuse any client for lack of ability to pay.

  • Ruth

    Okay, I keep seeing messages about buying own birth control which I agree with. But Hobby Lobby’s insurance provides birth control. We are letting them get away with another lie when we focus solely on birth control. It’s abortifacients that Hobby Lobby doesn’t want to cover.

    • Zach Smith

      I don’t think any employer should be forced to buy any particular coverage. It should be up to the employee to accept what the employer offers, or buy their own instead.
      By arguing whether a particular pill is an abortifacient or not, you have conceded the war and are only negotiating the terms of surrender.

    • A-Train

      mainly about plan B and the like.
      this is where we lose. they get away with these lies and distortions, waters are muddied, then nobody remembers what exactly it’s about, other than ‘Republican’s hate women’ lol… Fcking crazy!

  • AlmaAlma

    But the Employers already support her. They give her money so she can go out and buy things, pay for coverage etc.

  • phungi20

    Bear in mind that the rationale for requiring abortifacients to be covered is to ‘protect’ against the health consequences of unintended pregnancies. Of course, plaintiffs in both of these cases are willing to provide and have been providing coverage for contraception – they are suing because HHS arbitrarily chooses which employers to grant exemptions from the requirement to pay for abortifacients, which kill an already conceived fetus. And remember, these same abortifacients are widely obtainable for free by women who are at risk of having their health negatively impacted by an unintended pregnancy. (And really, just how does a pregnancy directly negatively impact a woman’s HEALTH, except in VERY rare circumstances? Sure, it may drive off baby daddy if she won’t abort, but that isn’t her HEALTH!)

  • Edward Lozano

    Hasn’t her “15 minutes of fame” expired yet? Her opinions are beginning to smell like rancid milk left out in the sun for a week and a half….

  • brotherfire

    You dimwits think contraception isn’t necessary, preventative care. Keep it up, because you will continue to drive away the sane as well as the female.

    • MommaGator

      I think you missed this: “Out of 20 FDA-approved contraceptives, Hobby Lobby currently provides 16, choosing to oppose only those that could terminate a pregnancy after conception, like Plan B.”

      Contraception means preventing conception from occurring, and Hobby Lobby offers its employees coverage for that. If a woman finds herself in need of an abortifacient (in spite of using her preferred method of birth control plus, hopefully, a condom on her partner to protect both of them from STDs), then yes, she can certainly pay for that herself. Having sex means putting on the big-girl panties.

      • brotherfire

        “Conception,” can be almost a week passed the time of intercourse, since it involves implantation in the uterine wall, so this pretend distinction to justify a superstitious, anti-medical view is basically worthless. All of the 20 approved contraceptives have medical uses, and the Hobby Lobby has no right….no right….to deny basic medical coverage…parts or whole…. to their employees. Much less because of some superstitious nonsense.

        • Lee Saffold

          Hobby Lobby has every right to refuse to provide anyone with health coverage. This government is the
          one that has no right to insist that employers provide health care for their employees. They are obligated to pay
          their employees for their labor commensurate with their agreement when they hired them. But the truth is that they
          have agreed to provide health coverage including contraceptives but they do not support abortions and just because you think something is a “superstition” does not make it so. These people have a right to their religious beliefs whether you like,agree with or accept them or not. And you have no right to deny them their freedom of religion. And Christianity has throughout history proven that it is very reasonable and is quite sensible. You assert but do not prove that it is “superstitious nonsense”.. Only a completely uninformed or misinformed individual would draw such a weak, shallow and mindless conclusion about the Christian faith.

          Hobby Lobby pays their employees well, provides them with health insurance that covers everything that is essential to good health they simply do not agree to assist in terminating pregnancies due to their religious
          beliefs and they have a constitutional right to do just that. No one has a constitutional right to health care coverage provided for them at someone else’s expense. These Christian folks are providing all that is essential to good health care for their valued employees and that is sufficient. Denying them their constitutional rights to practice their religion is not only unconstitutional it is unconscionable.

        • blockthiscnn

          You know what I find superstitious? The notion that life owes you something as an adult.

        • MommaGator

          I did a little reading to see if I could figure out how you came up with the idea that conception equals implantation. Although it is far from being my go-to site for information, a couple of sentences from an article I found on Wikipedia summed it up very well: “Controversy over the beginning of pregnancy usually occurs in the context of the abortion debate”, and “The controversy is not primarily a scientific issue since knowledge of human reproduction and development has become very refined, but rather is primarily a linguistic and definitional question.” Yeah, no kidding.

          You can look up ‘conception’ in the dictionary and find different definitions depending on a variety of factors since medical knowledge has increased, but the bottom line is that when sperm meets ovum, a new entity comes into being, with its own unique DNA. There is nothing superstitious about it. That is a scientific fact.

  • Sanity Check

    Why isn’t her 15 minutes over?

    • right_on

      It was….but, she has to show the voters in Waxman’s district that she’s just like him….ruthless, dishonest, conscienceless, and uber-liberal, if she expects to get anointed.

  • right_on

    This isn’t about Hobby Lobby, or health care…it’s about Sandra Fluke. She is running for Henry “Nostrildamus” Waxman’s House seat, is she not? Just another “look at me” moment for this gob smackingly immoral putz….

  • mbs235

    Hobby Lobby pays much higher wages than average, which makes this whole battle even more ironic. Wages at Hobby Lobby are more than sufficient to enable women to buy whatever kind of contraceptive they want. Liberals would rather shut Hobby Lobby down, and lose those high paying jobs, to ensure women employed by Hobby Lobby don’t have to pay for their own abortifacients. Better for them to be unemployed.

  • mbs235

    The whole idea of forcing employers to provide some mandated level of health insurance is a bad one. Much better to separate health insurance from employment altogether, and let people purchase what they want and need on the open market.

  • vr39350

    Since any woman who wants birth control can go to any heath department office in the US…every county has them…and get their birth control pills free, why is this stupid woman even being listened to by one person?

    • MarcusFenix

      I’ve made this same argument (here, even) about why Obamacare itself is basically a do-over of that system (and taking money away from it that could be used to help every community in the country). Thumbs up.

  • $7329248

    If it’s a woman’s body, and I have no say so over what she does with it,
    then I cannot be forced to have say so over what she would take to
    avoid the problems that come with a woman’s body. You cannot have it
    both ways.

    • Rob

      They are basically trying to force people to pay for other people’s bad decisions. There was an Obama quote where he said people should stop paying for cable, cell phones, etc. because they have their priorities wrong, and they should just pay for his idiotic overpriced health care. In other words, those on entitlements shouldn’t be held to constraints, those of us who are being ****ed over should be held to the constraints. Just throw this clown out of office. He is buying votes with other people’s money.

  • renec

    Buy your own damn condoms or birth control pills idiot. Take control of your own life you POS.

  • jabberwocky

    She is an embarrassment to women

  • imonmyway

    If she were demanding a tubal ligation or a hysterectomy I’d say, “PLEASE, give it to her!” Chances are if she ever had kids, they’d grow up with similar moral values, or the lack thereof.

    • Tom Winegar

      …………..and in daycare from birth!

  • ISurvivedaBlueState

    So your boss can’t deny you coverage, but the government can? How many women lost their coverage due to “the man” Obama cancelling their plans this year?

  • Barbara Nelen

    Slattern. Choosing to not be a mother is not healthcare. There is nothing unhealthy about being pregnant, so preventing it or ending it is not healthcare.

  • Tom Foolery

    I agree with her to a certain extent. As long as it’s not ObamaCare

  • Karen Fandal

    I fought many years ago for women rights in the workplace. Today’s liberal women want to set us back 50 years by acting like we need to be taken care of first by a man and second by the government. Have not we learned anything. Put on your big girl pants and buy your own birth control.

  • Its_My_Fault

    Never seen anyone so warped as to think contraception is healthcare…it’s preventive medicine for people that have sex and don’t want to have a baby idiot!!!!!! Buy some condoms for your trist and pay for them out of your $5,000 per speech fees.

  • Rafael J Godinez

    Independent and empowered women who need someone else to buy them their birth control pills – HA! ROFLMAO. Sandra, Rush was right about you.

    • Rob

      I think that if Sandra doesn’t buy me beer, she is denying my right to beer. She is an oppressive right wing totalitarian. THAT IS HOW GOOD HER STUPID F*****ING ARGUMENT IS.

  • Shootist

    She’s stumping to become a politician. The $9 a month she’s demanding from the tax payer will become millions and she’ll become a very well paid welfare recipient

    • Freddy Neat Shee

      well, look at her idol Obama — he may be the POTUS, but he’s still living in public housing 😛

  • Thomas

    Preventing yourself from getting pregnant is a personal choice, it is not healthcare, and if you are single and not practicing safe sex or your “man” can’t afford to buy a condom then your pretty screwed anyway, no pun intended.

  • Thomas

    I am sure this provision to Obamacare was written in by Pfizer Inc. for the sole benefit of profit. Here is healthcare in a nutshell people. You get sick, you get help. Period. It is not about me having to pay for your personal lifestyle choices. This government and these commie liberals make me sick. Funny how we helped the Bolivians capture Che Guevera in the 1967 only to elect Barack Obama as president in the 2008. As Hillary would say “What’s the difference” I do not go to work to support a lazy, commie, atheist. This is about freedom & Liberty I hope to God Hobby Lobby wins their case.

  • Major

    Who is denying anyone health coverage or healthcare? I agree with those who stated that if an employer has to pay for certain preventative measures the road is open to making them pay for ALL preventative measures. That includes the foods we eat. Of course the logical outcome of all this nonsense is that, like 3 year old children, we are told what to eat, when to eat, when to go to bed, when to get up, etc. Is this what Ms Fluke really wants? I believe the honest answer is yes, she wants to be taken care of like a child.

  • Itsjust Penny

    Birth control pills and condoms have been given out free from the local health department for decades. It’s too bad this “ivy-league educated woman didn’t know a basic fact.

  • LAPhil

    I love seeing Sandra Fluke finally getting told off! I don’t use Twitter myself but after seeing this I’m sure glad it’s around.

  • bumm

    Sandra Fluke knows that women are such helpless, incompetent, stupid, little twits that they can hardly be expected to ask the guy they’re having sex with to chip in for birth control.

  • wyatt81

    Fluke is a selfish fool and tool for self centered, immature leftists. Miss Idiocracy.

  • captaingrumpy

    READ….Hobby Lobby already pay for 93% of contraceptives. They just wont pay for Abortifacts.

  • Donald-Now2x/Sarc-w/0calories

    #BanSandraFluke If you agree, shop at Hobby Lobby!!!

  • Charles Kunold

    If Sandra Fluke’ s parents had used birth control then maybe we wouldn’t have to hear her BS. Wishful thinking.

  • Pedro

    That pict of an angry Fluke should be all the birth control she needs

  • Abbie Mills

    Patriots: Arm yourself against the mirage of illusions conjured up by today’s liberals and progressives: http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0094KY878