Yesterday, the Miami Dolphins and Dolphins player Richie Incognito both denied a report by ESPN’s Adam Schefter that former Dolphins tackle Jonathan Martin left the team as a consequence of harassment and bullying. Incognito accused Schefter of slander and tweeted that he wanted his name cleared by all sports outlets.

Incognito since has been suspended indefinitely, and ESPN isn’t backing away from the story. Voice mails and text messages allegedly left on Martin’s phone are emerging as the possible reason for Incognito’s suspension and were the talk of sports media tonight.

https://twitter.com/PlumbbobGreen/status/397530926667685888

In the mean time, Incognito maintains his innocence — maybe?

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  • http://extremesplash.wordpress.com/ Ben Bollman

    I never thought I would see the day when people complained about ‘bullying’ and even tackling in the freaking NFL. Should we start wrapping players in bubble wrap and have an attorney present on the playing field?

    • therealguyfaux ✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

      See, the general idea is, you’re supposed to act that way with the OTHER team…

      • http://extremesplash.wordpress.com/ Ben Bollman

        From what I gather it was hazing of the newbie which is probably nothing out of the ordinary for any player. I don’t agree with the racial stuff but I hate how the liberal media salivate over this bullying crap.

        • therealguyfaux ✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

          Most seem to think it was a rookie hazing that went on and on well past any reasonable point, because RI “knew” he could get away with it.

          • http://extremesplash.wordpress.com/ Ben Bollman

            Well, we are only hearing one side of the story also. I’ve played football and been in locker rooms for years. Most of the stuff going on there if taken out of context by the uninitiated would probably result in people being hauled to jail or the looney bin. I don’t know, it just seems fishy to me that someone as supposedly mentally tough as a football player just walks off because of this. I don’t think this is the only thing going on.

          • $1014973

            I agree that we’re not hearing the whole story. Problem is, I think when the whole story comes out it might be a lot worse than what we’re hearing now.

            Perhaps it’s just because I’ve gotten older, but I also played a lot of football and I find this stuff to be repulsive. When you financially abuse rookies who will be lucky to have three or four years in the league, that’s garbage. If these guys are making 500K a year and getting stuck splitting or paying for a few 30K dinners, that’s a pretty big chunk of cash.

            God knows punks like Incognito aren’t doing this crap to high draft picks because the management would never allow it. So he’s abusing, financially, guys who won’t end up making that much money and then will be out of the league forever. Sorry, that’s pretty weak, without even considering the other stuff that was obviously going on.

            And as a Husker, I have known about this sack of poo long before anyone else heard of him and he’s a piece of garbage. I’m just surprised his daddy hasn’t jumped in yet to defend him, just like he did when he thrown out of the Nebraska and Oregon.

          • http://extremesplash.wordpress.com/ Ben Bollman

            Even at that, a-holes are not uncommon in the NFL or anywhere else especially with all that testosterone around. I don’t know, I seem to be in the minority on this but I’m not sure Martin is completely innocent or maybe he had his own problems that are getting pinned on Incognito.

          • $1014973

            No, they aren’t uncommon, but they sure don’t exist in the professional ranks of business, because it’s against the law.

            You may be right about Incognito this time, but he long ago lost any presumption of innocence.

          • http://extremesplash.wordpress.com/ Ben Bollman

            Well that’s not really true at all because every business is different and lots of times a-holes get the job done. You don’t think there are any lawyers, agents, stock traders, or any high pressure execs that are a-holes? It depends on the job and a-holes are very effective in the NFL. I’m not saying Incognito is innocent but I’m having a hard time believing that Martin is a shrinking violet himself.

          • $1014973

            This is absurd. In any professional workplace, if you were heard saying a fraction of the things Incognito said to Martin, you would be fired. If you weren’t fired and the company knew about what was going on, they would be sued for a massive amount of money, and would lose.

            I don’t know what you do for a living, but I find your argument that this goes on in the business world to be preposterous.

    • Mr_Wrestling_XIII

      Mild teasing or some roughhousing is one thing, but threatening harm to you and your family is another…

      • http://extremesplash.wordpress.com/ Ben Bollman

        I don’t know, I just don’t buy it. I think we are just hearing one side of the story. I have a hard time believing that an NFL player can’t stand up for himself.

        • Mr_Wrestling_XIII

          Apparently, Martin has some mental issues, too. Maybe that’s why.

          I think everyone can agree Incognito is a POS. He doesn’t deserve to play pro football ever again.

  • Derek

    Please post the video of the ESPN discussion!

  • CarpeNoctem

    Well from what I have been reading what Incognito was doing to this guy would probably be considered criminal in any other social or work setting.

    • http://extremesplash.wordpress.com/ Ben Bollman

      So would tackling your co-workers so what is your point?

      • CarpeNoctem

        I am sorry I do not remember them talking about any of this happening during a game. I guess all the people who say that he should have punched the guy would do that if they were being treated like that at their job. I am sure the cops would be happy to listen to you when they are putting you in the back of a police car.

        • http://extremesplash.wordpress.com/ Ben Bollman

          I’m saying the culture of the NFL is different than most people’s jobs. There is lots of testosterone fueled smack-talk and hazing going on towards everyone. To outsiders it seems outrageous but it is normal within the NFL.

          • CarpeNoctem

            I understand that but in any case sometimes it is taken too far and in this instance it seems that happened. I am not for people getting in trouble just because they hurt someones feelings but this one popped up on the radar for some reason.

          • http://extremesplash.wordpress.com/ Ben Bollman

            Well, the liberals in the media have been particularly targeting the NFL lately with their agenda like focusing on head injuries, the Redskins, and now bullying which seems to be their pet issue. Football players are supposed to be some of the most mentally tough people in the country yet this guy is bothered by a bully? A bully he could beat up. This just seems pretty suspicious from all angles.

          • thebigguy128

            There is a huge difference between initiation and hazing. The “shellback” ceremony in the Navy is an initiation. Boy Scout Order of the Arrow candidates carrying their “burden” for a day is an initiation. What was happening to Mr. Martin was hazing, pure and simple. And it is never acceptable.

          • http://extremesplash.wordpress.com/ Ben Bollman

            I disagree. I’ve been through hazing and while unpleasant it builds respect and toughness which is handy in football. Incognito may have gone too far but I have a hard time believing this was the only thing going on.

          • US vs. Them

            Yes, please, tell us all about the inner culture of the National Football League. What, from your experience within professional football, should we know about how this “bullying” permeates teams and players in ways that us outsiders simply can’t and don’t understand. (But leave out any mention of concussions and brain related injuries you or your colleagues may have “suffered” because, as we all know, thats just pansy, PC “liberal media” BS)

            We’ll wait.

          • http://extremesplash.wordpress.com/ Ben Bollman

            Oh boo frickin hoo, NFL players have already played football for years and knew what they were getting into and were paid millions for it so quit giving me the sob story.

          • US vs. Them

            So “Zero” – thats how much experience experience you have in professional football. Thats what I thought, but I just wanted to be sure.

          • http://extremesplash.wordpress.com/ Ben Bollman

            I played football in high school which is where these guys come from and know the locker room culture quite well which qualifies me a whole hell of a lot more than you. kthnx.

          • US vs. Them

            Just as I thought – using our HIGH SCHOOL sports-glory to spout BS insight on the professional careers of grown men. By your rationale, I am an expert on Major League Baseball and Track and Field. Thank you, Internet Tough-Guy!

          • http://extremesplash.wordpress.com/ Ben Bollman

            I’m not an expert, I just know more than you and that is all that matters.

          • US vs. Them

            Clearly. You must be a hit at parties.

          • http://extremesplash.wordpress.com/ Ben Bollman

            Cry more.

  • Thomas, Snarkmaster General

    Wait. If he was Incognito, how did they find him?

    Thank you. I’ll be here all week. Tip your waitstaff.

  • Maxx

    We’ve got a lot of disgusted Dolphin fans down here in south Florida tonight.

    Bye Bye “Buddha”…forgive us if we pass on rubbing your belly as you walk out the door.

  • HanaFiveO

    Let me see if I have this right… Grown men who make a living out of beating the crap out of each other and one of those is a racist and harasses another guy, and the guy being harassed doesn’t knock the racist bully’s block off? Go to the coach? Go to the police? Just quits and then goes crying to the press?

    I’m sorry, but my don’t give a poopy meter hit its limit about noontime today.

    • therealguyfaux ✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

      The idea is that, here you have a long-time veteran who’s known for being a beast on the field but thought to be a fairly decent fellow off it. He can get away with pushing around a rookie like this because (a) the rook figures the guy is capable of making good on some violent threats (b) nobody would believe it of the veteran that he could be that way (c) the rook would like to be able to continue to play in the NFL and clobbering teammates is not a good way to insure that you will, especially if they do not know, nor believe when told, what the reason is.

      • HanaFiveO

        I appreciate the time an effort that you took to explain this to me, I really do.

        Having said that, I stopped being a fan of “professional” sports when professionalism went out of it and athletes were replaced by thugs.
        Now when it comes to things like this, I just don’t care. Grown ups need to start acting like grown ups. When they don’t, they are just teaching kids that being a bully is the way to go.

        • k2

          So I guess you stopped watching sports in the 1950’s then when guys would try to stick their metal cleats into a guys face before facemasks were invented? sorry that you’ve stopped watching the entertainment that provides the best drama on television today. your statement is such a blanket statement. What do you watch instead now, children’s soccer games? I do agree with you though, there is no room in the nfl for bullying. I played football in high school and there was a lot of hijinx but I cannot think of one particular person being continually bullied. There are reports that Incognito has some serious issues with anger and so forth and clearly he’s a racist and worst of all a tea partier. That to me is the most disgusting part of all this, his affiliation with the right wing of the republican party.

          • HanaFiveO

            Got a source for the TEA party affiliation thing? That has me curious.

          • HanaFiveO

            Really? your citation is a google photo slide show? He doesn’t like to pay taxes? That makes him a TEA Partier? LOL Whoopie Goldberg doesn’t like to pay taxes either, so by your standards shes a TEA Pariter too? LOL There were several of them posed in orange jumpsuits, buy your standards, I guess that makes them all felons?
            Spewing hate speech about folks that you don’t even try to understand. Way to go bully. Do what you’re condemning others for.

  • LegalizeShemp

    That Incognito is really tough to pick out in a crowd.

  • praymorenow1

    Richie seems like a very big football player, w/ a jr. high locker room mentality, and a big mouth, & a lot of stupid, over the line, in your face, racist, sexual smack talk….
    If his conversation w/ his teammate was all one sided in this fashion …and for 2 years the other guy just ignored him…then, yes, the guy is a racist,boorish, jerk.
    Who should be disciplined by the NFL & Dolphins, just as if he were a cashier at Target who did the same thing to a fellow employee for 2 years.
    However, what we don’t see in the tweets and voicemails is what did the other player say? Did he ever respond or start a conversation w/ a racist or sexual comment intended as a crude, gruff joke between big NFL players?
    It seems they did have a nasty, smack talk kind of relationship as players that one guy took way too far…. if that is deserving of a suspension or fine, so be it. He has a history of issues w/ other players & authority, not new for him.
    However, can we stop call it ‘bullying’. These are two millionaire athletes….who could pound the heck out of each other in practice or on the field or privately….and either man could go to their union for some relief, or ask for a trade….and neither did.
    This is one guy taking the NFL hazing/veteran/upperclassman position way over the line. I wish the player getting the grief had stood up in front of his entire team and played the voicemails, or spoken to the media first, or spoke to his union, or spoken up at a public event.

    • praymorenow1

      It’s a work place situation.
      On that end, the owners and management have a degree of responsibility.
      What did they do, or not do.
      I’d also have to say, where is the NFL union & team union leadership?
      Is that the way these guys talk to each other? I have no idea.
      Is this how the other players talked to Incognito when he came into the league, racial & ethnic slurs?
      .
      Incognito deserves to have his say in public too, it’s all one side so far.
      I doubt he’ll come off any better as ar as appearing guiltless, than Lance Armstrong did in talking to Oprah.

  • Steve__Jacobson

    They are all adults. Can’t the stand up for themselves?

  • therealguyfaux ✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

    Ricky Williams, interestingly, while not taking Incognito’s side, indicated that there are some people who are not mentally and emotionally cut out to play in the NFL (he, Ricky, to an extent being in that classification himself, by his own admission), and that Jonathan Martin may have fallen into that class as well. He indicated that if you are so weak-willed that you (a) let yourself get into the situation and (b) can’t see your way out of it when it becomes clear it “won’t get better” (and I’m not implying anything by use of that phrase)– then you really don’t have the mental discipline required to play football, and Martin may have been right to want to up and leave as he did. Not a question of whether that’s good or bad, or right or wrong, but that it’s just what is.

    • US vs. Them

      Excellent point. Could be a case of two people on polar opposite sides of the human personality, forced to exist with each other until one decides enough is enough.

  • ryanabe

    I know it’s bad, but all I could think about with all of the Incognito news was whether my team will pick him up next year. Richie might be a bully, and possibly a racist (report of him using a racial slur in a voice mail http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/9926139/richie-incognito-miami-dolphins-used-slurs-messages-jonathan-martin ) But he is a good lineman, so I could care less what goes on behind the scenes. I know my path will probably never cross with his, but Richie, if you blocked well for my team, you can bully me all you want. Just try to not make the wedgies “atomic”.

  • kenai

    Right, Michael Vick pleads guilty to conducting an illegal dog fighting and gambling operation. Vick attends a few hours in an ‘animal empathy group’, a few months in prison then signs a record breaking multimillion dollar contract with a NFL team. Richie Incognito, a White NFL player, utters a racial slur and ‘bullies’ a Negro player and is permanently banned from playing in the NFL. Uh-huh.

    • US vs. Them

      Right, let’s edit-for-accuracy kenai’s phony-outrage, “reverse-racism”, race-baiting, and totally inaccurate statement:

      Michael Vick was convicted of a crime, forfeited $19.97M of his contract and served NINETEEN months in FEDERAL PRISON in Leavenworth, KS. Upon release (after paying his dues to society, right?) he then signs a contract based on his perceived value in the American Sports Entertainment Industry

      Richie Incognito (generally considered the dirtiest and most-hated player in the league) hazes, torments and yes bullies his co-workers (although Im guessing kenai “Negro” is not the word you use offline), gets fired (though may not lose his remaining contract this year) and is NOT “PERMANENTLY BANNED” (why did you just decide to make that up btw?) from returning to other employers.

      The only clear obvious reason for this? Racism.

      So to summarize – Michael Vick is let off easy BECAUSE HE IS BLACK (and because, as we all know, the criminal justice system has been notoriously lenient on blacks and minorities in general ) and Richie Incognito is “permanently banned” BECAUSE HE IS WHITE.

      Uh-huh.

      • kenai

        Right, we all know that a ‘racial slur’ is right up there with letting a couple of dogs tear each other to pieces in a fight to the death. Uh-huh.

        • US vs. Them

          No it’s not – which is why the punishments are COMPLETELY different. Vick SERVED IN PRISON, Incognito WAS FIRED. Do you not see the difference? (btw, why do you think he made ONE slur? Have you even read the reports? The ones stating this happened over years?)

          Also please answer the question: Why are you just completely making up the statement that Incognito is “permanently banned from playing in the NFL”?

          • Zach Smith

            Vick was rehired. That is the opposite of being fired. The NFL is obviously cool with his behavior.

          • US vs. Them

            Do you not remember him being banned from the NFL until he was re-instated after he served 19 months in prison? After paying his dues to society? And what exactly does this even have to do with Richie Incognito?

    • Mr_Wrestling_XIII

      Are you a leftist? Quit making this about his race. Incognito threatened to harm Martin and his MOTHER. That isn’t even considered bullying in your world? Thank God I don’t know you then.

    • k2

      LOL, Vick was behind bars for almost 2 years. He did his time as a first time felon and the only reason he was signed by an NFL team was because he could still play at the NFL level. That is what prison is for, to rehabilitate people and send them back out into the world to be decent human beings. (it doesn’t often happen that way but that’s the goal, prison is what you make it) His return contract wasn’t record breaking either. Upon being signed by the Eagles he was awarded a contract of 1.6 million dollars none of it being guaranteed. Incognito makes 6 times that. Beyond that he actually bullied a half white person (which for you seems to be a glass half full situation). And no decision about his future has been made yet although if he did get banned for life I’m sure it would be more for the death threats to him and his family rather than the racial slur.

  • descolada9

    Well, these are jocks we are talking about. Amazing how many jocks also turn out to be bullies (no, I am not saying all do). Listening to Rush this afternoon and his comments on how this is more common in professional sports than anyone has ever said in the past.

  • kateorjane

    Who knew being politically sensitive was part of the skill set for guys who routinely try and bash other guys to the ground. Apparently we have now arrived at the nexus of raising our kids to expect to never have their itty-bitty feelings hurt. Somehow I have difficulty working up sympathy for a big football player who thinks he has been “bullied.” Sheesh – are we fielding wussies?

    • $1014973

      I was just listening to Bill Pollian, former general manager in the NFL, and he had a very interesting comment. The NFL is a workplace and subject the federal, state and local laws in regards to employee conduct. And pretty much everything that’s been going on is a violation of multiple laws, plain and simple.

      From reading comments here and elsewhere, I realize this issue has brought out thousands of internet tough guys who are likely remembering their football days in a manner highly removed from the truth, but the fact is these are professionals and there is no room for garbage like this in a professional environment anywhere.

      Incognito has been a piece of filth at every level of football he’s played, and the fact that people are defending his actions is utterly laughable, and sad.

      • http://extremesplash.wordpress.com/ Ben Bollman

        I’m not defending him, I’m saying I am highly suspicious of it especially considering the media is jumping on something that should be an internal issue within the Miami Dolphins that shouldn’t be national news playing around the clock 24/7. It also makes me suspicious when liberals have been trying to push this ‘bullying’ nonsense recently and also trying to make the NFL PC. And the only way to deal with a bully is to stand up to him and I have a hard time believing that an NFL player can’t do that.

        • $1014973

          Maybe he should just bring a gun to work and shoot Incognito?

          • http://extremesplash.wordpress.com/ Ben Bollman

            Where did I say that? Do you tell your kids to back down from a bully and take it? Everyone on the planet has been bullied at one time or another, it is how we handle it that makes the difference and this situation is no different.

          • $1014973

            This is not bullying. A bully takes your lunch money. This is taking your car.

            Like I said, Incognito is a scumbag and this is likely the tip of the iceberg as to what he’s been up to.

          • http://extremesplash.wordpress.com/ Ben Bollman

            This is no different at all, Martin could have stood up to him instead of taking it.

          • $1014973

            Yes, I’m sure a quality character like Richie would have just let it go if Martin had stoop up to him.

            Give it up, your beliefs on this matter are absurd. I’m sure your 8th grade football locker room was hardcore gangsta, but this is a billion dollar business.

          • http://extremesplash.wordpress.com/ Ben Bollman

            Oh stop it, you think an NFL player honestly cannot handle himself? THAT is what is absurd.

          • $1014973

            I’m sure you are well versed as to what goes on in an NFL locker room.

          • http://extremesplash.wordpress.com/ Ben Bollman

            I know well enough to know an NFL player can handle himself.

      • Zach Smith

        If I treated any of my workmates like the NFL players do in their “workplace,” I would be sent to prison.

        • $1014973

          Me too.

  • A. DAILEY

    buddha huh, well budda ain’t gonna pay your salary bud…

  • http://youhavetobethistalltogoonthisride.blogspot.com/ keyboard jockey

    FNC is showing video of Richie Incognito ranting- stomping around a bar using racial slurs last year.

    Steroid use?

  • capisce

    “if you are going to use my words to deflect from your douchebaggery, try this:
    “Karma is a bitch.” Deal, and leave me out of it”
    Buddha