Edward Snowden obviously wasn’t present at today’s #StopWatchingUs march on Washington, but his name and face appeared nearly everywhere as citizens protested NSA surveillance.

It turned out to be a bipartisan event, with former Democratic Rep. Dennis Kucinich followed on the microphone by Republican Rep. Justin Amash, speaking against the Cyber Intelligence Sharing and Protection Act (CISPA).

The Amash-Conyers amendment to the annual defense appropriations bill, which would have restricted the NSA’s ability to spy on individuals not suspected of terrorist activity, was narrowly defeated in July by a vote of 205-217.

As with any rally, it was the signs that told the story, and President Obama was anything but immune from criticism.

Today is the 12th anniversary of the signing of the USA Patriot Act. StopWatching.us calls itself “a coalition of more than 100 public advocacy organizations and companies from across the political spectrum” that came together in July 2013 after revelations of the NSA’s surveillance program.

  • ObamaFail

    You know, I remember when libs were complaining about how Bush was infringing on people’s privacy when they found out that they were spying on suspected terrorist allies. But then were okay with Obama spying on EVERYONE. According to lib logic, just spying on potential terrorists = BAD. Spying on everyone than claiming it’s for national security = GOOD. How does that work? How is it better to spy on everyone than to just spy on the people they suspect are actual threats to national security?

    • http://twitter.com/thetugboatphil TugboatPhil ✓Mate

      Wanting to know about library books was a war crime under Bush, but the media can’t be bothered with everyone’s emails, phone calls and credit transactions being recorded.

    • Matt

      I’ve seen several self-proclaimed progressives speak against the NSA spying programs.

      • ObamaFail

        There are some who are against it. But I know some personally who thought Bush should be impeached for spying on US citizens even if they were suspected terror allies. But those same people now keep saying, “I can sleep easier at night knowing the NSA does what they do.”

        • Ty in TX ✓ᵇᵒⁿᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

          It’s always a different tune when there’s a “D” after the name.

          • Matt

            That can work both ways, too. There are those who think if someone is a Republican, they’re okay.

          • Ty in TX ✓ᵇᵒⁿᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Sorry but not me. The government has no business knowing what the last book I read at the library or purchased off of Amazon was.
            Edit: I should make clear this was my opinion back in the early ’00s when Bush was president. My opinion on mine and others’ civil rights doesn’t go in alphabetical order.

        • Bathing Suit Area

          I’m fairly certain you’re making those people up.

          • tops116 ✓Quipper

            “I’m fairly certain you’re making those people up.”

            Really? I’m fairly certain Gary didn’t make you up, bathtub boy. After all, it’s not like consistency has ever been your friend.

    • John Thomas “Jack” Ward III

      Remember Nazi Germany?… Or the old Soviet Union?..China, North Korea, Venezuela, Cuba, they all do this to their people, to keep them in line. Even Iran, through Sharia law..But if this is the fate of The United States, I’d rather FIGHT AGAINST IT! Jawamax 8<{D}

    • Clareberrys

      In general, I agree with your assessment of lib logic, but I saw people of all kinds there and I can tell you it wasn’t just Republicans or Tea Party or Libertarian there, there were definitely a bunch of Democrats there too. I think mass surveillance is truly the one issue that unites everyone because in general, most are against it.

  • BoscoBolt

    BUT … I have to wonder how many of these people ran home after this march, logged onto the obamacare site and gleefully handed over all of their personal information to ‘team obama’? Government surveillance comes in many forms … but the goal is always the same … CONTROL.

    • me

      Truth!

    • Clareberrys

      From the people I saw there, I doubt many. No one that I saw or met there truly trusted the government, I can tell you that much.

      • Deborah Hallsted

        The problem is, many still trust and idolize Obama. They look at him with his opaque Teflon Shield, urbane sophistication, and easy smile, and think “if he only knew, really, how bad this sort of thing is, and how much they are doing it, he would step in and fix things…”. Because they cannot, and will not, look beneath his exterior.

        • Guest

          that’s because the fact his exterior is black – is enough for them. White libs in particular think black people are inherently good.

          • Deborah Hallsted

            True

  • Matt

    I’m sorry, but I think Snowden is a criminal. What the NSA has done isn’t right, but neither were his antics.

    • ObamaFail

      Snowden should have went to Congress instead of the press.

      • Ty in TX ✓ᵇᵒⁿᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

        I hear where you’re coming from Gary, but I wonder if he felt that going to Congress would have been useless. I mean look at the situation in DC right now; Obama puts together these Congressional commissions and then pointedly ignores what they recommend.

        • NRPax

          There are procedures in place and there were resources he could have used. Running away to China and then Russia doesn’t really make a good case for him.

          • Ty in TX ✓ᵇᵒⁿᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Totally agree with that. NRPax

        • Spinmamma

          Agreed. And no doubt Snowden was well aware of what happened to the three earlier NASA whistle blowers.

      • RVZ77

        There have been others that have been in Snowden’s shoes. When they tried to follow protocol they’ve been jailed or swept under the rug. He apparently had seen how the process works and did what he had to do.

    • Catchance

      Agreed.

    • nc ✓s & balances

      Also agreed. His credibility crashed for me as soon as he went to Russia for asylum.

  • FranklinWasRight

    Snowden knew it was dangerous to go to anyone within the country with his info. Most journalists today only print what the government says they can. Let’s not be naive, Snowden would still be in America if it was safe to expose these abuses.

    • nc ✓s & balances

      Dangerous? The guy went to Russia for Pete’s sake.

    • John Thomas “Jack” Ward III

      Believe it or not, I heard him on FOX NEWS some time ago, and he ACTUALLY SOUNDED LEGITAMITE!! When I heard it, I was in such disbelief that my chin almost hit the floor! And now, I’ve stopped calling him “CUCKOO” because he’s FINALLY MAKING SENSE! Jawamax 8<{D}

  • therealguyfaux ✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

    This particular story proves the point that, given the issue, you need to know who lines up where– before you start getting all “Four legs good! Two legs bad!” and drive away a potential ally.

    Nobody said politics was easy, now did they?

    So Dennis Kucinich believes the same thing as Justin Amash– perhaps for the wrong reason, but he still believes it– what? Are we supposed to be embarrassed or something? Maybe on one particular issue, Dennis got his sanity back all of a sudden– I’m supposed to recoil in horror at the idea of that?

    For the Repubs to hold the House, flip the Senate in ’14, and take the WH in ’16, we might just have to wait to see who lines up where on what issues we think are most important– and if, on Issues A, B & C some RINO agrees, what? Are we to say, “Sorry, because on Issue D you and we don’t agree, so you’re just not pure enough, and you must be gone– we’d rather have a Dem in there to screw the country so bad, that NEXT time, the voters will HAVE to vote Repub!” Yeah– like they ever will, considering where this country’s heading.

    Governing majorities are made up of enough people who agree with you enough of the time on enough issues– look at the Dems, 4fuxsake! Probably half of THEM can’t stand the other half, but they all unite when the chips are down. That’s how Obamnishambles got voted in.

    • nc ✓s & balances

      Kucinich is a committed lefty, and always will be, but he’s that rare bird that operates from a principled position. If that means teaming up with a Repub on a cetain issue he doesn’t blink. He won’t try to destroy you just because you disagree with him, like 99% of the others on his side.

      • Deborah Hallsted

        That makes him a rarity.

      • Bathing Suit Area

        Despite the way many people try to politicize it, this sort of spying isn’t a partisan issue. It’s rapidly increased under every president for at least half a century. The NSA has massive momentum and is incredibly difficult for any administration to say No to.

        • tops116 ✓Quipper

          Were you saying that when Bush was president and getting blasted by the Left (including one Senator Obama) for his smaller-scaled-than-what-Obama’s-doing surveillance plans? I doubt that very much. You’re only being conciliatory on this subject because Obama took it further than Bush ever did. That has to be even more infuriating to liberals than Cheney being further to the left on gay marriage than Obama is.

  • John Howard

    Oh, NO!! Obama mask. “Racists!!” When we gonna hear that?

    • me

      3…2…1…

  • John Thomas “Jack” Ward III

    #StopWatchingUs! Go Spy on Iran, instead! Jawamax 8<{D}

  • Sight2behold

    If these folks aren’t careful someone might compare them to the Tea Party! : 0

  • OLLPOH ~ OurLifeLiberty

    Reposting this:

    We ask OGovt, this is called Natural Law, Natural Rights upon which we were born into a Sovereign Constitutionally Free Republic? Aibility to vs Actually do.
    As,

    1) Night or Day 24/7/365 and when there are no clouds in the skies are there stars or Surveillance Satellites watching you?
    2) Night or Day 24/7/365 and it is cloudy in the skies are there helicopters and planes in the sky watching you; 30,000 drones will be flying in the U.S. skies in 2015?
    3) NSA is telling you the most unwittingly less lying truth?
    4) Federal Government Assessable + Trackable Databases of Your Accounts/Record(s)/SSN’s are:

    a) Social Security,
    b) Medicare,
    c) Medicaid,
    d) IRS,
    e) 3-Credit Bureaus,
    f) VA,
    g) Mortgage Loan Accounts,
    h) Consumer Financial Protection Bureau-CFPB, – ATM and Credit Card Withdrawals,
    I) ObamaCare-All Financial Disclosure of All Bank Accounts Payroll Amount,
    j) DOD Employees,
    k) 401K’s,
    l) IRA’s,
    m) ISP’s,
    n) Power bill – Smart Meters,
    o) Gas bill,
    p) Phone bills,
    q) OnStar,
    r) GPS,
    s) Digital Tower Radio Waves to Cell Phones,
    t) License Plate Readers,
    u) Car Insurance
    v) Car License, Tags, Drivers License Records
    w) From: http://www.usatoday.com/ nga-digital-map-world-updated/3189781/
    [will update the map 2-3 times a week will know the height of walls]

    http://www.usatoday.com/story/nation/2013/10/25/nga-digital-map-world-updated/3189781/

    …etc.

    …And the Southern Border Is Still Open…

    • me

      We’re all cattle on the globalists/elitists world plantation. They really do look at us like slaves for their agendas.

      • OLLPOH ~ OurLifeLiberty

        U be so correct in The Truth!

  • OLLPOH ~ OurLifeLiberty

    Please, join us everyone (All 300 million + free Americans) tonight at 10:00pm E.S.T time everyone go to http://www.usconstitution.com , and maybe just maybe these commies will get what it’s really all about…

  • arttie

    “Politics makes strange bedfellows.” Charles Dudley Warner; My Summer in a Garden (1870)

  • Axelgreaser

    THE NSA IS BUSH’S* & OBAMA’S ‘MALOCCHIO’ AS MY ITALIAN GRANNY WOULD SAY. As a side ‘LOL’, those Papier-Mâché likenesses of Obama look like Fred Sandford! *Yes, this CAN be blamed on Bush and the mutant, out of control Patriot Act

    • Deborah Hallsted

      Anything can be perverted. Drugs, morphine< is a wonderful thing for patients, but look what happens when it's abused- work, food, alcohol, exercise etc. etc, everything has it's good aspects, but when used wrongfully it's disastrous.

      • RVZ77

        Just like most things that our politicians put into place for the “good” will end up being abused at some point.

  • gitarfan

    But, but, but we’re all SAFER now. These surveillance tools have let us stop, at least, some unknown number of attacks which we never hear about because it’s secret. I mean, really. you people act like govt would misuse this power.

  • objectivefactsmatter

    Social justice DEMANDS that everyone be treated with equal suspicion.

    What? You don’t like equality?

  • Stephanie Warren

    who watches the watchman?