If this headline in the Washington Post — “Sex between students and teachers should not be a crime” — doesn’t set off alarm bells, this should: it only takes one paragraph for the writer to suggest “our society needs to have an uncensored dialogue” on the subject, and two paragraphs to decry the absence of that “much-needed dialogue.” If only we’d talk more about the “extremely nuanced continuum of sexual interactions involving teachers and students,” perhaps we’d develop a healthier, less hysterical response to statutory rape.

Good question. Is the Washington Post getting into Slate’s business of click-trolling, or do the paper’s editors really think it’s time for a national conversation on sex between teachers and underage students? Writer Betsy Karasik isn’t a staffer, which the Post will probably have to make clear as more and more people read her conclusion that teachers shouldn’t be held to a higher moral or legal standard than those naughty priests and politicians. “If religious leaders and heads of state can’t keep their pants on, with all they have to lose,” she writes, “why does society expect that members of other professions can be coerced into meeting this standard?”

Good point. What’s next from Jeff Bezos’ new toy? Maybe one of these #WaPoPitches will see the light of day soon and kick start another important dialogue.

https://twitter.com/JungaSklee/status/373630909544534016

So, how is everyone enjoying our new national conversation?

That bad, huh? Well, this editorial should convince you the Post is still on the fence about statutory rape.

  • TJ

    Beating your wife should not be a crime as how else do you control them. #WaPoPitchs

    • http://www.black-and-right.com/ IceColdTroll

      This works for me.

  • http://mpj.co WhoDat

    If she were of legal age, she could consent, so no problem.

    But she wasn’t of legal age, and, therefore, couldn’t legally consent.

    • 0bamasnought

      No Nathan. Rape. Is. Always. Wrong.

      • http://mpj.co WhoDat

        Obviously. If she was of age and consented, it wouldn’t be rape.

        • 0bamasnought

          NO NATHAN. RAPE. IS. ALWAYS. WRONG.
          If you hit on ANYONE that you have authority over it is unethical. period. End of discussion.
          Seriously, as a male I am concerned about any woman that has to put up with you.

          • http://mpj.co WhoDat

            So, a boss has sex with his/her secretary and it is consensual, it is unethical and rape?

          • http://pennyrobinsonfanclub.net/ PennyRobinsonFanClub

            Very likely, yes. Depends how “consensual” the consent really was. YOU are attempting to conflate the idea that a minor may NOT legally consent to many activities with the idea that an adult may appear to give consent to an activity, but under duress of some kind, which is no consent at all. Sometimes referred to as “Making an offer they can’t refuse.”

            However,that’s all irrelevant to the topic here, but that’s OK,because we know it’s just a troll doing what a troll has to do.

          • http://pennyrobinsonfanclub.net/ PennyRobinsonFanClub

            PS — you also attempt to confound the ideas of unethical and illegal, another ignorant trollism. One is not necessarily the other.

          • Ty in TX

            How consensual can it be when one of the partners has POWER over the other one. Get it?
            Boss can all of a sudden find problems with the secretary’s work when she refused his sexual advances.
            Student can all of a sudden start failing in their classes after they’ve turned a teacher down.
            See what we’re all doing here? We’re using the Left’s/Feminism’s definition of rape that they argued for…that it’s not about the sex but about POWER.

            In these two example, one of them yours, people with power over the target of their sexual advances can make things difficult if their advances are rebuffed.
            Not all forms of rape involve a beating or a weapon.

          • Guest

            Read the story. The girl was 14 when the incidents occurred. She committed suicide at 16.

          • Guest

            Read the story. The girl was 14 when the incidents occurred. She committed suicide at 16.

        • Grandma HeadInjury

          Someone’s trying to normalize….

        • Scout

          Read the news reports. The girl was 14 when the incidents occurred. 14 is NOT the age of consent. She was 16 when she committed suicide.

        • Scout

          Read the news reports. The girl was 14 when the incidents occurred. 14 is NOT the age of consent. She was 16 when she committed suicide.

    • http://pennyrobinsonfanclub.net/ PennyRobinsonFanClub

      Um, yes, correct. What’s your point in stating the obvious?

    • tops116

      Thank you for stating the obvious.

    • ObamaFail

      Legal age, or at the age of consent doesn’t make a teacher sleeping with a student any better. Schools are supposed to have ethics. And a teacher could easily pressure students into sex, all they have to do is go up to a girl or boy who is failing and offer to raise their grade if they have sex with them.

  • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EeBeq0i03bg Booker

    *Shudders.*

  • Catchance

    #WaPoPitches: Mohammed was right!

    • Republicanvet

      Just thinking the same thing, then wondering how they might handle the whole Burka thing. #WaPoPitchs: Awesome fashion statement for fall back to school?

  • Republicanvet

    Any takers on WaPo having the same OpEd in 5 years about how we should not hold it against someone who wants sex with animals?

    • http://twitter.com/thetugboatphil TugboatPhil

      You think it will take them that long?

      • John Thomas “Jack” Ward III

        I’d like to get an opinion from Kimihiro (or one of our other Japanese Friends) on Fantasy (Manga, Dojoushin, etc.) vs. Reality in Japan… Od thing that happen in those bools/Magazines REALLY happen in Japan? Curious… Jawamx 8<{D}

        • ForTheRepublic

          I don’t think Kimihiro is Japanese. Kimihiro Watanuki is the total character of the anime XXXholic.

          And no, it’s not what you think.

        • ForTheRepublic

          I don’t think Kimihiro is Japanese. Kimihiro Watanuki is the total character of the anime XXXholic.

          And no, it’s not what you think.

    • trixiewoobeans

      Already happening in Germany.

  • grais

    Human flesh : the other…meat.

  • Jimni27

    Hey. Remember when the National Enquirer used to be the only one who used this tactic? Good times….

  • Maxx

    I’m not a parent but it’s becoming increasingly clear to me why so many conservatives with children are working two or three jobs….so that they can spare them the filth that comes from a public school curriculum created by such behavioral apologists.

    For those with no such options to shield your kids from this fringe degree of lunatic liberalism, God bless you and the efforts you are forced to take daily to counter these slaughterhouses of morality.

    • 0bamasnought

      That’s why I have gone back to full time work, to pay for the grand-babbie’s education.
      The younger people didn’t need the job I was willing to share, they all voted for Zed.

  • FreedomFighter

    The legalization of gay marriage will lead to the legalization of pedophilia.

    • nc

      Wait, they kept insisting that one thing had nothing to do with another.

      Must be a coincidence. Yeah, sure it is.

      Once Pandora’s Box is opened, well, you know…

      • cajun_2

        What is really sad is some of the comments on this thread. Sexualizing our children is not Pandora’s Box to them…its actually a Jack in the Box. Sickening how quickly the perverts are taking over this country.

        • Bathing Suit Area

          Which comments in this thread?

    • Michael Rice

      The move the classify pedophilia as a sexual orientation is already underway.

      • IBXNJ

        Amazon already distributed a how to book E-book for pedophiles for the kindle and withdrew it when there was public outrage.

    • http://mpj.co WhoDat

      Right, because giving same sex couples the same marriage rights as opposite sex couples will make them child molesters.

      • CR

        Um. Don’t think that the comment said that GAY people will become child molesters, although you pretty much revealed your own prejudices with that comment.

        The argument being made is that once you start to redefine what is and is not an acceptable relationship recognized and/or promoted by the state, the lines can become blurred in other ways as well. It is called a slippery slope argument. Accepting one behavior previously viewed as unacceptable and/or relaxing cultural norms about what is and is not desirable behavior can lead to others also becoming more and more accepted as well.

        See e.g., we as a society accepted that single motherhood is just fine or even desirable and to-be-celebrated and now we have a virtual complete breakdown of the traditional nuclear family with disastrous implications.

        I’m not even necessarily against- or for- gay marriage. Personally, I don’t think the government (and especially the FEDERAL government) should have any involvement with marriage of any type (either to promote or punish it through tax policy or the granting/withholding of benefits).

        However, the gov. traditionally gave tax & other benefits to married couples as a means of promoting what was viewed as a desirable social relationship. By extending that right to homosexuals, the state has changed the definition of what is a desirable relationship they wish to promote.

        This gov. intervention in changing social norms could thus lead to other changes in what is viewed as socially acceptable behavior.

        • Bathing Suit Area

          Didn’t the same slippery slope argument apply to interracial marriage, too?

          • http://www.black-and-right.com/ IceColdTroll

            Possibly. But that was an aberration of primarily one region of one country in the world, for a relatively brief historical moment. Despite what some propagandizers would do to distort history, homosexual marriage has never been recognized as a norm anywhere or any time on Earth.

            Now shut up and gtfo.

          • Bathing Suit Area

            If you want a more worldwide example, how about freedom of religion? Until relatively recently (historically speaking) each country had a set religion that everyone followed. Allowing people to worship whatever good they like is just one step to letting them choose which laws to follow!

            There’s a reason why the slippery slope is considered a fallacy.

          • NXXII

            (Citation Needed)

          • Shawn Smith

            Calling this a “slippery slope” fallacy while we’re pointing out that we’re actively sliding down it kind of makes you look, what’s the word, like a dumbass.

          • John Thomas “Jack” Ward III

            Probably in the past, most likely in the “Jim Crow” South (especially)…. But I’ve known a few inter-racial marriages made here in the south, which is a sign that WE’RE NOT IN THE JIM CROW SOUTH, LIKE WE WERE BACK IN THE FIFTIES. #PleaseDoNotFeedTheTrolls Jawamax 8<{D}

          • Bathing Suit Area

            And that hasn’t caused all manner of horrible things to happen? The slope is not that slippery?

          • nc

            The simple answer is NO. Interracial marriage is not new to Human Society, even if it was banned here (an aberration).

          • Bathing Suit Area

            It was new at the time to THIS society.

          • nc

            Irrelevant.

      • Maxwell

        No one is saying homosexuals are child molestors, what people are saying is that once the envelope starts being pushed, others will start to push it as well.

        There is an argument floating around in Canada right now stating pedophiles are born with an attraction to children (I would link you the report, but I’m on my phone.) That is how the gay rights movement started, with someone stating their attraction to individuals of the same sex wasn’t their choice. Now that is widely accepted that being gay isn’t a choice, and with this new report, pedophiles will probably argue the same. And while it will take time, pedophiles will garner sympathy, which will want to make others want to fight for their rights.

        The common argument against this is that children can’t consent, therefore they cannot enter a legal relationship with an adult. Well, while it isn’t very simple, the age of consent in Japan is 13. If a 21 year old there is dating a 13 year old, is he a pedophile? Is he doing anything wrong, since he is well within the law? Couldnt we just lower the age of consent here to accommodate pedophiles?

        While I can’t see happening within the next couple years, I do think we will see a rally for pedophilic rights sometime in the future. And they will model their movement after the gay rights movement, considering the success it had.

        • trixiewoobeans

          Already happening in Europe.

        • AlCashier

          what about all those new married gay couples in the news, who have adopted children and have been arrested for raping them and pimping the children out to their friends.

        • John Thomas “Jack” Ward III

          And don’t forget the Beastiality (Sex with Animals) Crowd… First, they have to (but I don’t think they’re gonna) garner approval from PETA, the ASPCA, etc.
          And as for “Pedophiles’ Rights”, I don’t think anyone in their Right (or Left) mind would approve of that (Unless they were REALLY out there…) Jawamax 8<{D}

      • Grandma HeadInjury

        Somebody missed the point….

        You gals always jump on that (which makes one wonder why that was already on your mind…but I digress.) No one is saying that all homosexuals are pedophiles. And just for you, we’ll conveniently ignore all the pedophiles who chose children of the same sex….

        Anyway, all that is being pointed out is that the pedophiles (and zoophiles) are using the strategy of the homosexual agenda in the hope of having the same success in normalizing their choice of perversion.

        • Bathing Suit Area

          That doesn’t make gay marriage advocates wrong. If pedophiles tried to claim what they were doing was an expression of religious worship, would that be reason to do away with freedom of religion?

          • tops116

            I’m sure that would be the liberal talking point.

          • Grandma HeadInjury

            Nope. It’s just easy to see that the same poison fruit bears the same poison. No biggie…til it’s your kid.

          • Bathing Suit Area

            It makes me sad that you guys can’t follow analogies.

          • Grandma HeadInjury

            I can. They have to be valid, though.

            It makes me sad when you blame others for your own failings.

          • NXXII

            What analogy?
            All you did was say “You can’t prove we’re wrong…uh RELIGION!”. It didn’t even make sense.

      • lainer51

        what does pedophilia have to do with same sex marriage? Keep up the gay baiting, you are getting really good at it.

      • robert anthony

        Non-sequitur.

    • Shawn Smith

      Be prepared to be called a “pedophobe” in 20 to 30 years if you keep this old-fashioned sexual morality. I can’t even imagine what will be the next standard they’ll assault. Incest, I suppose. I guess the left will start attempting to normalize incest if they gain ground here.

      • chicagorefugee

        Poly. Why limit marriage to two? Sharia compatibility is bonus!

      • chicagorefugee

        Poly. Why limit marriage to two? Sharia compatibility is bonus!

    • Daniel Lostinmymind Kimble

      That could be the dumbest comment I have ever read. 2 consenting adults being legally married will pave the way to make it legal for a 40 year old man to have sex with a 4 year old girl?? Say that out loud and see how it sounds…..

  • Teresa Davis McCormick

    This is so where we are heading people. So scary. Pulled all 3 of my kids this year. They are doing Public school at home. Didn’t cost me a thing. If you live in Ohio, check out ECOT.

  • waltermitty2012

    I want to teach my kids family values, not what the government values.

  • Wiki David

    WaPo: Rape is not as easy as it looks.
    (There. Fixed it for you WaPo.)

  • http://twitter.com/archaicsteam Archaic

    The sad part is I could see several of the WaPoPitches being real non-Onion articles.

  • CR

    Gee. I wonder why conservatives are concerned that the liberals are destroying America.

    Also, this story is making B0’s push for sex-ed in Kindergarten seem even more sinister and terrible than it already was…. If that is even possible.

    • capisce

      Kindergarten sex-ed: no childhood innocence left behind.

  • Nooneofconsequence

    Well wasn’t it said that the natural course of the path were on was to next legitimize pedophelia? Next will be beastiality followed by necrophelia. Bravo libs your debotchery is nearly complete.

  • Achilles

    The theory seems to be that the agenda places like WaPo and Slate are advancing is so monstrous and insane that they must be trying to get more page views. My theory is that the Left is just monstrous and insane.

    • Bathing Suit Area

      One trolling article in a paper is not the same thing as “the left”.

      • http://www.black-and-right.com/ IceColdTroll

        Shut up, retard.

        • Bathing Suit Area

          You’re really not even trying anymore. Maybe you should take some time away.

          • tops116

            Take your own advice.

          • John Thomas “Jack” Ward III

            As long as we have REAL Morals, your perverted beliefs don’t stand a chance. ‘Nuff said. #PleaseDoNotFeedTheTrolls Jawamax 8<{D}

          • Bathing Suit Area

            I really don’t know what perverted beliefs you think I hold.

      • tops116

        You mean like how Akin and Murdock didn’t speak for the entire Republican party, despite what Democrats like yourself said last fall? Oh, but wait, that was two people, so it must be completely different. Just like how Obama, Biden and Kerry now supporting unilateral action against Syria somehow doesn’t contradict years worth of Iraq rhetoric.

      • nc

        This is hardly “one trolling article.” You don’t see any connection between this, and the recently passed law in CA allowing children to “decide” which bathroom they want to use?

        http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/08/13/california-gov-brown-signs-transgender-student-bill/

        • Bathing Suit Area

          No, those are entirely different.

      • nc

        This is hardly “one trolling article.” You don’t see any connection between this, and the recently passed law in CA allowing children to “decide” which bathroom they want to use?

        http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/08/13/california-gov-brown-signs-transgender-student-bill/

      • ObamaFail

        It will be once Democrats decide they want the pedophile vote. Once pedophiles decide they want the same rights and acceptance given to gay people, Democrats will start pushing the “love between man and child isn’t that big of a deal, because they were born that way!” And they’ll do it to get the pedos to vote for them. Just like how the Democrats who used to support DOMA which their buddy Slick Willy Clinton put in place started claiming to care about gay marriage to get good PR for election time.

        • Bathing Suit Area

          Your dedication to concocting fantasies about your political opponents’ evil is always entertaining. About as far from reality as you can get, but entertaining.

      • Shawn Smith

        Let’s see: so far we have an article on Gawker, we have one judge, we have an editorial in the Washington Post and we have leftist Hollywood supporting Roman Polanski. Yes, it’s starting to look like the left is on board.

  • Kimberly Stanley

    So is this the war on women, kids and babies?

    • lainer51

      compliments of the New Regime.

  • anjullyn

    So I guess Betsy thinks Jerry Sandusky should be given a Get out of Jail Free card since he was just “teaching” those boys some great football moves. Tell ya what Betsy….you let your 12/13/14 yr. old son or daughter have intimidation/infatuation sex with his/her teacher first. Then let us know how that goes for them. K?

  • Kimberly Stanley

    This person and I use that term loosely should be fired and if you subscribe to the Washington post you should cancel. A teacher is in the position of power regardless of teenage hormones running amok. This article screams of WAR on women, children and babies. Nothing more nothing less.

  • Grandma HeadInjury

    Just another step in the normalization of perversion. They’ve seen how the homosexual agenda ran it’s playbook, now the pedo’s are taking lessons. See also this at Gawker: http://gawker.com/5941037/born-this-way-sympathy-and-science-for-those-who–want-to-have-sex-with-children

  • Spasmolytic

    The legalization of gay marriage was just the first step for liberals. The next step is legalizing statutory rape. After that liberals will demand ‘equality’ for people who have sex with animals.

    • ObamaFail

      I’m okay with gay marriage. Frankly, I’ve always stood by the belief of “they pay taxes, so they should be allowed to get married.” But it has to be pointed out that Obama and all of the other Dems were just as against gay marriage as they say Republicans are. At least until they decided they needed the gay vote last year. If pedophiles decide they want special treatment, they will be the new poster children for the Democrats next election cycle. Dems will push for the repealing of any laws that prevents people from having sex with children, just to win over the pedophile vote in 2016 for Hillary.

      • Bathing Suit Area

        Seriously, name your wager. I’ll put my house on this.

  • Pat

    Chicago to teach sex ed. in kindergarten. 1st grade, class in dating rules for you’re teacher and you?
    Sick society is about power. Perverted power.

  • Marty Luther

    COERCED? Rapists are victims! “why does society expect that members of other professions can be coerced into meeting this standard?

  • rennyangel2

    NAMBLA, gay-izing the Boy Scouts, sex-ed for kindergartners (most about loving “two mommies” parents), and now (forget the power element) teachers f-ing students, all designed by the left to disintegrate families even more and sexualize children so that they are no longer innocents and can’t say “No.”

    • nc

      It’s also about “normalizing” anything and bringing down the “ideal” of the traditional family structure.

      This is why I never bought the SSM argument, “What should our marriage have anything to do with yours?”

    • nc

      It’s also about “normalizing” anything and bringing down the “ideal” of the traditional family structure.

      This is why I never bought the SSM argument, “What should our marriage have anything to do with yours?”

  • BlahBlah

    Well to be fair I don’t understand why dealers are not allowed to offer their product during recess. I mean most of it is organic anyway and some is even locally grown.

  • AlCashier

    from obama’s 1963 playbook:
    The 45 Declared Goals of the Communist TakeOver of America: #26: promote homosexuality and degeneracy as “normal”.
    …obama & his sycophants are working very hard on the “degeneracy” part now.

    • John Thomas “Jack” Ward III

      From “The Real America:Stories from the Heart and Heartland” by…. GLENN BECK! Jawamax 8<{D}
      #BeenThereReadThat

  • radicallyalyssa

    She is arguing that because politicians and priests can’t keep it in their pants, we should just let teachers abuse kids? This is our liberal War on Women at play!

  • BadGirloftheNorth

    The second she compared a double standard between teachers and the morals of politicians, there when that. Judging something against an oxymoron will never prove your point. Clinton, Weiner, Filner, Jackson, Sharpton just who you want your third graders’ teacher to be emulating.

  • tops116

    So, Karasik doesn’t have a problem with a teacher raping a teenage girl who later committed suicide? And yet, Karasik will later condemn Republicans for the War on Women.

    Lemme guess, Karasik signed the petition in support of Roman Polanski.

  • John Thomas “Jack” Ward III

    Even though it sounds like it, THIS AIN’T NO MOVIE FROM THE EIGHTIES! I mean we’ve all had those fantasies, but let’s just keep it at that, and not take action on it… And as for that despicable teacher, and that even more despicable Judge,they should both get TEN YEARS just of their attitude, or lack of it! Jawamax 8<{D}

  • RAL

    So, let me see if I have a good understanding of standards these days:

    – A teenager and a teacher should be allowed to have sex without it being called rape.
    – A girl as young as 11 should have access to birth control without a parent’s knowledge or involvement
    – Kindergarden aged children must be taught sex education

    However,

    – A college aged woman who has consentual sex can later call it rape (because she was drunk, or coerced, or just didn’t feel good about it) and get her “assailant” thrown out of university
    – A 25 year old is considered a “child” by the government because they obviously aren’t mature enough to have to provide their own health care
    – If a fundamentalist preacher or priest had sex with a teenager it would be front page news and their respective places of worship should be sued.

    So, right is wrong, wrong is right, and we’ll have our two minute hate session later today?

    • $2004855

      Good exercise: Everywhere the article puts “teacher,” substitute “priest,” “preacher,” or “minister,” or “Republican senator,” “Republican representative,” or “Republican drain commissioner,” and contemplate whether you could imagine the article now being published in the Washington Post.

    • Bathing Suit Area

      “So, let me see if I have a good understanding”

      You do not.

  • Misanthrope

    This is all about protecting 2 vital Leftist constituencies – teachers and sexual perverts. Nothing more.

  • Zefal

    Who didn’t know the alinskyite vermin at the compost don’t mind rape? Just look how they covered the william kennedy smith trial and the women who alleged bill clinton of raping them. They also like false charges of rape as long as it’s made against whom they consider privileged white kids.

  • robert anthony

    A tenet of the left..”If somebody has done it..it’s been done..and , therefore, okay to do.”

  • robert anthony

    I somehow can’t picture tweens with posters of their math teacher on their bedroom wall.

  • robert anthony

    Lesson…girls at the age when they dream of marrying one of the Monkees and put Unicorn stickers on their notebooks are SOOO ready for adult sexual relationships and consent.

  • $2004855

    Van Halen had “I’m Hot for Teacher.” Wa Po has “Teacher’s Hot for Me.” :: air guitar ::

  • Probably Geoff

    Shorter WaPo: If you’re a teacher, you didn’t rape that.

  • Probably Geoff

    Shorter WaPo: If you’re a teacher, you didn’t rape that.

  • Misanthrope

    There’s a weakness to the “Liberal Billionaire Rescues Bankrupt Media” strategy. E-mail Amazon and tell them you’re not buying anything from them because of WaPo. The way to stick it to WaPo is through Amazon.

  • Misanthrope

    There’s a weakness to the “Liberal Billionaire Rescues Bankrupt Media” strategy. E-mail Amazon and tell them you’re not buying anything from them because of WaPo. The way to stick it to WaPo is through Amazon.

  • porgiefirefighter

    If we decriminalize teacher/student sex, can we also decriminalize the student’s parents beating the teacher to death?

  • Richard Jefferies

    Homosexuality is so passé now. Let’s begin the march towards societal acceptance of pedophilia. To say it another way, let’s continue the slide toward 3rd world tribalism.

  • Trudy Hill

    Does her Mother know she wrote this?

  • Trudy Hill

    Does her Mother know she wrote this?

  • Bob Smetters

    Principals should just say its not my job to report child sex abuse and see if it works as it does for Catholic schools.

  • Bob Smetters

    Principals should just say its not my job to report child sex abuse and see if it works as it does for Catholic schools.

  • geoanto1

    Morality is defined by God our Father. To believe otherwise is to worship man, a.k.a. sin.