As a matter of fact, we were wondering if Fort Hood shooter Nidal Hasan, convicted Friday on 13 counts of murder and 32 counts of attempted murder, is still drawing a paycheck from the U.S. Army. Hasan’s punishment, possibly death, has yet to be determined, as today’s sentencing hearing was cut short due to “logistics issues,” but not before a dozen witnesses recounted the damage Hasan had done to their lives.

The sentencing phase continues tomorrow morning, and Americans are split on whether Hasan should receive the death penalty or be kept alive simply to deny him the status of “martyr” he seems to be seeking.

  • Cy

    He’s going to me held up as an inspiration to terrorists whether they kill him or not, so they should just spend a few dollars on bullets for the firing squad instead of making taxpayers pay for him to be in jail for the rest of his life.

    • Clayton Grant

      Part of the sentencing would be reduction in rank to E-1 and forfeiture of all pay and allowances, but I don’t like the idea of him living on our dime either.

      • Clete Torres

        Refresh my memory: does the forfeiture revert to the date of detention for trial? I don’t remember.

        • Clayton Grant

          I don’t know, but I do know a lot of JAGs I could ask.

          • Clete Torres

            Would you? It’s gonna bug me until I know for sure. Also ask if if retroactive, how do they collect from him once he’s been paid.

            Thanks sir.

          • Clayton Grant

            I got sent this link:
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    • logicrules

      Au contraire! This wasn’t “terrorism”, it was “workplace violence” Didn’t you get the memo?

    • John Alvarado

      I’m not trying to be cruel but he should be sentence to death by a firing squad of 15 soldiers. One for everyone he ambushed back in November 2009.

    • Deke Larrew

      No, not by firing squad…. That is a Soldier’s death and this traitorous bastard was no Soldier… He should be hanged.

  • ObamaFail

    Are you kidding me? He’s still collecting a freaking pay check? That’s an insult to his victims and their families. It’s like he’s being rewarded with his act of terror. Excuse me, “Workplace violence.” I forgot that you are required to be PC when talking about terrorism

    • spepper

      What’s wrong with this picture all leads back to who’s in charge in Washington DC. They should also be prosecuted for allowing this human piece of garbage to essentially get a full military retirement check each month.

      • Clete Torres

        No, what’s wrong with this picture is that there is a lack of understanding:

        Like it or not, the UCMJ allows for due process – just like civilian courts – and the accused is afforded a trial to determine guilt or innocence. Once convicted, he still needs to be sentenced. AT SENTENCING, he will be advised of his punishment, part of which will be forfeiture of all pay and benefits, reduction in rank to E-1 and whatever other punishment the court deems fitting.

        I’m really hoping for life with no parole, personally. He wants to be a martyr, and I just have a problem with fulfilling that request.

        • NRPax

          Thanks, Clete. The second paragraph reflected my thoughts on the matter.

          Look, folks, I understand the anger about this. But he gets the same protection in a military court that anyone else would get no matter how heinous the crime. And now that he’s been convicted, he’ll probably be losing everything.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            “Look, folks, I understand the anger about this. But he gets the same protection in a military court that anyone else would get no matter how heinous the crime.”


          • NRPax

            Really? Bullshit? So we just throw away due process in military and civilian courts based on what exactly?

          • objectivefactsmatter

            That’s not what I said. He has had far more than “due process” extended. He SHOULD BE treated “equal before the law,” but some animals are apparently more equal than others.

          • NRPax

            In all fairness, the instant he tried to file war crimes charges against the men under his care, he should have been thrown out of the Army hard enough to leave a mark.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            The special treatment probably could be traced further back, and it’s not even clear when it will end.

            He’s a victim in the eyes of many on the left, they just don’t have the guts to say so publicly yet. But more to the point, he got ridiculous special treatment from the military. And obviously signals from above kept that train rolling.

            Objecting to Hasan’s treatment is not necessarily objecting to due process.

          • Clete Torres

            Due process IS being “treated equal before the law.”

            Way to torpedo your own argument.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            He was not treated equal before the law. You didn’t understand my argument.

          • Clete Torres

            You don’t understand the argument you’re trying to make. He certainly was treated equally before the law.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            Anyone can delay court martial by refusing to shave, demanding prayer time, etc. etc. Anyone can do that.

            You’re delusional.

        • objectivefactsmatter

          He wasn’t allowed “due process.” He was allowed to manipulate us in many ways, all while collecting pay…from us.

          • Clete Torres

            In case you’re unfamiliar with Courts-Martial under the UCMJ as I suspect you are based on your arguments, I’ll give you a quick lesson:

            You are innocent until proved guilty. You are entitled to the legal counsel of your choice. You are entitled to draw your pay until conviction. Once convicted, at sentencing you are punished, including penalties like death, imprisonment, reduction of rank and forfeiture of pay.

            Yes, he was allowed due process.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            ” You are entitled to draw your pay until conviction. Once convicted, at sentencing you are punished, including penalties like death, imprisonment, reduction of rank and forfeiture of pay.Yes, he was allowed due process.”

            You’re still missing my point: It should not have taken this long. People might object to him being paid at all, but my point is that a lot of anger arises from that fact that if he wasn’t afforded so many extra privileges it would not have taken this long for the guilty verdict.

          • Clete Torres

            Due process takes time, whether in the civilian judicial system, or the military.

  • nc

    Any legal eagles here? Can the survivors and victims families sue Hasan in whatever the military version of a civil lawsuit to confiscate and divvy his money?

    This is just obscene that he is receiving one thin dime amidst all this suffering.

    • Clete Torres

      They can sue in civil court, but good luck collecting even if they win.

  • Juliette Akinyi Ochieng

    The paycheck can’t be altered until the sentence is rendered. Standard under the UCMJ.

    That said, I think that this is the reason that so much time was allowed between the murders and the trial. There was no legal way to stop the paycheck, so he could continue receiving it and could send it wherever he wanted.

    • CBDenver

      Good grief, can’t you people read?? He was found guilty. The “sentence was rendered” already. Found guilty. What part of that do you not understand? All that is left now is to determine if the guilty man gets death or life in prison.

      • Juliette Akinyi Ochieng

        Yes, I can read, sweetie. Now let me ask you a question: do you understand the meanings of the words that you read and use?

        The *verdict* has been rendered. That verdict? Guilty.

        The *sentence*–how he will pay for his crimes–has *not* yet been determined.

        You’re welcome.

      • Juliette Akinyi Ochieng

        Now (8/28), an actual sentence has been suggested for Hasan: the death penalty, among other things (the judge does the actual sentencing). Hopefully, the time period up to the day on which that sentence is rendered will be short.

        But I’m not holding my breath. The other Hasan who turned on his military brethren and received the DP is still breathing.

  • rennyangel2

    Hassan is drawing pay and will soon vote as a felon.

  • therealguyfaux

    I can’t understand the reluctance to make this man a “martyr.”

    You show me a martyr, and I’ll show you a dead man.

    Some people, like Hasan, are wastes of oxygen, and I frankly could not give a good Allahu akbar if we oblige him in his fantasy of dying while fighting for God. Good riddance to bad rubbish, even if it makes him happy.


    Obummer would probably try to donate more to him.

  • John Thomas “Jack” Ward III

    Who cares if he’s a “Martyr” or not? He just deserves to be Coated in (HOT) Bacon Grease and electrocuted, then shot with Pork-fat covered bullets from a firing Squad! And remember his “Seventy-Two Virgins”….ARMED CATHOLIC NUNS! Jawamax 8<{D}

  • Gregor Eisenstein

    The ‘he’s still getting paid’ shtick is tiresome to anyone who knows what the heck they’re talking about, and the outrage over it is wholly inaccurate. Military members are no exception to the ‘innocent until proven guilty’ thing we all like for our citizens. He’s still an Army Major until his sentence is carried out and the expected reduction in rank is applied, and all military members are paid whether their duties are in combat or in prison. Most of his pay is being held in escrow pending the outcome of his court martial. Part of his sentence will no doubt be a forfeiture of pay and allowances…most likely equal to that which he was paid all this time.

    • CBDenver

      No, he was convicted. Pronounced guilty in a court of law. Just because the penalty phase is not completed, that does not detract from the fact he is now a convicted murderer. Not any longer “innocent” because proven guilty in a court of law.

      • Gregor Eisenstein

        Sure, he is convicted NOW, but that changes nothing about my post. Those outrageously outraged people wanted his paycheck to cease at their pleasure, which was while he was still considered innocent. Now that he has been convicted, penalties may finally be applied, BUT STILL, until they are, the ‘OMG HE’S STILL GETTING PAID’ crowd remains a bunch of idiots.

      • JGoolsby

        Until he gets sentenced (during which I am willing to bet my life part of the sentence will be forfeiture of all pay and allowances) he gets paid….that’s the law.

      • Steven A

        I can assure you, being that this is a military court, his sentence will include words to the effect of, “Reduction in rank/grade to PVT/E-1, forfeiture of all pay and allowances, and dishonorable discharge upon completion of sentence.”
        PVT (formerly SSG) Robert Bales is also still in the military, and will not be discharged until he completes his sentence. It’s hard to issue someone orders to report to Ft. Leavenworth if they’re not in the military.

  • ryanabe

    I hope he gets the death penalty – not because he deserves it but because I want to see the news story about how he is consistently getting paid and voting Democrat 3 years after he is put to death.

  • Graham Shaw

    What do you guys think, realistically, are his chances of being given his eternal celestial sand nap? My money says that Obama will intervene in some way even he gets death I’ll bet it’ll end up commuted (I also think Obama will pardon Mumia at the end of his term but thats another story…)

  • Maxx

    He’ll lose that pay soon enough but not to worry….where he’s headed, they don’t charge for the heat.