It was more than four years ago that the nation’s new Attorney General, Eric Holder, declared that America was “a nation of cowards” who “simply do not talk enough with each other about things racial.” You could have fooled us, but apparently we’re still not talking about race enough. In the wake of the George Zimmerman verdict, CNN’s Brooke Baldwin is just curious: is now the time for President Obama to take the lead in a national conversation on race?

It’s a bit of a loaded question. Why the president? CNN contributor Donna Brazile’s not waiting around.

Of course, “national conversation” probably means the same thing it did when America had its national conversation on guns: promote liberal legislation, and when that fails to materialize, wait a week and say it’s time for another national conversation. So, is now the time for President Obama to step up and heal the nation’s racial divisions?

You could always talk to this guy.

Here’s a dissenting vote we didn’t expect.

  • RblDiver

    He already weighed in with “If I had a son…” what more does she want?

    • webnetcity

      my thoughts exactly….

    • DV S1EOG


    • HoneyTree EvilEye

      Exactly. He already did a wonderfully counterproductive job on race.

    • TugboatPhil

      I liked the tweeters up there that said “he has a country to run.” Which country did they mean?

      • CatHerder


        • TugboatPhil

          I wish we could get the Egyptian Army to come here for 30 days.

    • objectivefactsmatter

      Leading from behind.

  • shimauma

    This reminds me of the voting scene in Life of Brian, where they all agree to agree on a man’s right to have a baby. And when I read it, it sounds like chickens cackling in my head. Is that wrong?

  • DV S1EOG

    I will conclude this “National Conversation” right here. It is simple. If you are white, you are wrong. If you are white and straight you are evil. If you are white, straight, and male then you should suffer for things that happened years before you were ever born. You should accept all racial attacks against you willingly.

    This is disgusting. Why don’t we just do this. Take all of our nukes. Bring them above ground. And just detonate them and wipe the nation off the Earth, because no matter what we do, or how far we come, it is never enough and we always have to owe somebody something.

    I’m done. 1 ticket to Mars, please..

    • Macharius

      I’m half white half Japanese. So, does that mean I only have to half suffer? Or do I have to full suffer because they don’t care about asians and include them mostly as a footnote on their “we stand up for these people”?

      • DV S1EOG

        I think that means that your Japanese half has to hate your white half. Your Japanese half might even need to kick the crap out of your white half, for Trayvon…. Oh and the half Japanese side of you only counts during election cycles…. At least that is what I assume.

      • RblDiver

        Hrm, I think the convention goes that it’s still OK to be racist against Asians, so I’ll say the white half of you has to hate itself, while the Japanese half just accepts hate that comes its way.

      • TDS

        Well, there is only “black” and “not black”…
        And in order to be “black”, you are at least HALF “black”, like Obama.
        Being one-fourth “black” like Zimmerman is is not quite enough to count.

        And everyone who is “not black” is, by default, “white”. Welcome to being just plain “white”. I mean, we have never done anything wrong when it comes to the Japanese, so you should be fine with that (please grasp the sarcasm there).

        NOTE: If you have one-sixty-fourth Native American in you, there is another option: You can join with Elizabeth ‘Stands With Writ’ Warren’s people.

      • Just Another Guy

        The only “race” that the media cares about is “Liberal/Democrat-voting.”

        It isn’t color, though that has historical basis. It is the “down on the plantation” approach to life where “Massa Gov’t” takes care of everyone. And of course, skin shading absolutely comes in secondary.

        And even then, it can bite you…as in the case of the wrongly labelled “white Hispanic” George “I voted twice for Obama” Zimmerman.

        • objectivefactsmatter

          Yeah, but people are fungible and the end can justify any means. So Zimmerman was reassigned by the malignant racialists.

    • Texan357

      And if you are white, straight, male AND Christian, that’s four strikes; sharpen the guillotine.

      • TocksNedlog

        Strike Five for being a Texan.

        • CatHerder

          I’m so screwed…

          • TocksNedlog

            I lived in Texas for a few years; so I’m four strikes, plus, my own self.

        • Texan357

          Well done. :)

        • NickGranite

          Texas is a better country than the one Obama is running.

      • rinodino

        Awww, White Males have so many problems in this world, nobody has as many problems as White Males. They all live on the streets, can’t get a taxi when they want. No images of positive white men in movies or on TV. All the superhero’s that everybody loves nowadays are all minorities. In fact why does the white male have to always play the token “Friend” on TV and give advice to the minority lead actor while he goes after all the good looking women? White males can’t even get good executive jobs anymore, they have to work as janitors, or worse, I see them cleaning the trash off the highways everyday. Awww Poor White Males……..

        • CatHerder

          Do come back when you have something worthwhile to say.

          • TugboatPhil

            Actually, disregard that. Just don’t come back.

          • rinodino

            As usual, the right wing whitewashing everything, like it doesn’t exist, awww poor right wing, maybe if you guys stop acting like you have the “middle child” syndrome on every single issue, you can come back to the table with reality to talk about.

          • CatHerder

            “Whitewashing?” RAAAAAAAAACIIIIST!

          • objectivefactsmatter

            “As usual, the right wing whitewashing everything, like it doesn’t exist, awww poor right wing, maybe if you guys stop acting like you have the “middle child” syndrome on every single issue, you can come back to the table with reality to talk about.”

            Are you an individualist or a collectivist? Your ideology as represented here is pure collectivism. That’s why it’s acceptable to you to observe injustice against any people you perceive as part of the “successful” groups. You only care about collective justice (“social justice”). Until someone f’s up your shiite. Then you’ll care. For some reason.

        • Texan357

          More straw men, please. Ten is not enough.

        • objectivefactsmatter

          “Awww, White Males have so many problems in this world, nobody has as many problems as White Males. They all live on the streets, can’t get a taxi when they want.”

          Rich people are evil. Right? Successful people are only successful because they exploit….exploited people. Therefore all poor people are innocent victims of the rich.

          Right? Time for social justice. Don’t worry about destroying all incentives for working hard because the rich people have all the wealth and we’ll just split it up when we find their hidden money trees.

        • DV S1EOG

          Perhaps you are overlooking the purpose of the statement. It is not saying “poor white people.” It is about the fact that any open dialog will be one sided. It will do nothing more than racially divide this nation more. But, people like you do not care about that. You live for the divide. It makes you feel better to hate and be a victim. These open conversations are never about solving the issue, it is about blaming and fighting. It is simply a load of BS. Until everyone is willing to sit and really listen, no “open conversation” will really be open.

        • Finrod Felagund

          Boring troll is boring.

    • Jennifer Moulton

      Well said!! You are exactly right!

  • shimauma

    barry hussien obama leading the conversation on race is like adolf hitler leading the conversation on bullying.

  • LegalizeShemp

    We’ve been “starting a national conversation on race” since the 1860’s and look where it’s got us ! Problem is, most of the time you start talking about race, the Left tells you to shut up, because they don’t judge people based on race, gender or sexual orientation. (In reality, that’s all they judge people on, membership in victim groups who must receive government “solutions” for their problems).

    • rinodino

      Maybe instead of waiting 100 years after slavery, if they truly made everyone equal in 1865, including women, we wouldn’t be having this convo. But we didn’t, so deal with it.

      • TugboatPhil

        Sounds like you can’t deal with it. Neither can the race hucksters that make their living off gullible saps like yourself.

      • CatHerder

        Is ‘Living in the Past’ your favorite song or what?

      • objectivefactsmatter

        How would you have done it in 1865?

        Please show me recent examples of individuals who are unable to find equal justice under the law. It’s not even about that any more. It’s about collectivism and collective revenge today.

  • Jack Deth


    I’ve lived through five decades of ” a national discussion on race”. It’s a wasted effort.
    No matter what is achieved. It’s never enough.They always want more. Which is fine for liberals and Democrats (I repeat myself). Since the Democrats need a perpetually
    “oppressed” and generationally ingrained voting block.

    I wonder how much of that will erode as “Brown is the New Black” starts to whittle away at their tax payer funded handouts?

  • LegalizeShemp

    When you hear a liberal phony say, “we need to start a national conversation about race”, what they mean is, “we need to lower standards sufficiently so people who are not white don’t have to follow any rules or laws”. That’s what they REALLY mean.

  • TDS

    Obama couldn’t lead a fat guy to a buffet, let alone a national conversation on race…

    • DV S1EOG

      Oh I doubt that, does it look like Michael Moore has ever missed a buffet? I think he was at the last White House Correspondent’s Dinner.

      • TDS

        But he doesn’t have to be led…

        • DV S1EOG

          Yea, true. But he does have to be invited..

          • TDS

            Are you sure he doesn’t just invite himself like that cousin that always seems to show up at Thanksgiving?

          • DV S1EOG

            He would have to be invited. That way they can have a pallet jack ready at the loading dock to bring him in. Plus they would have to have a sofa for him to sit on instead of a chair… Lot’s of preparations would have to be made.

          • TDS

            I always thought he was self-mobile…
            Like Jaba the Hutt was in the extended version of Episode IV…

          • DV S1EOG

            Only when falling down a hill, then it is gravity doing all of the work.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            0’Bama and Me.

            I heard he never met Roger because he always got sidetracked at the first floor cafeteria buffet.

        • tops116

          Obama handled the situation like he does with everything else: he was leading from behind.

          • DV S1EOG

            With Moore, that would require a bulldozer.

  • lesterwink23

    Good luck with that…Obama only pays attention to you if you’re an openly gay athlete or an entitled activist who gets called a bad name by Rush Limbaugh

  • Magnifico

    I agree; Black Americans are killing White Americans at an alarming rate. O’Bama needs to address this soft genocide.

    • TDS

      Google “Reparations Protest”
      Prepare to be shocked.

  • DelPasso

    I would love to have a national discussion on race, as long as it’s an actual discussion. Not a bunch of non-whites condescending towards whites and telling us how we need to change.

    • HerodiousPeaskinner

      That’s all it would amount to. That’s all it has amounted to since the 60’s.

    • TDS

      Having a discussion about race is like arguing with your wife.
      You have to go in knowing full well that everything is your fault, and you are the one that has to change, and even if you do, everything will STILL be your fault next time.

      • CatHerder

        Now THAT’S funny, I don’t care who you are.

  • TDS

    As a white guy, having a discussion about race is like arguing with your wife.
    You have to go in knowing full well that everything is your fault, and you are the one that has to change, and even if you do, everything will STILL be your fault next time.

  • NRPax

    What point would a conversation have, Brooke? I have nothing to atone for and I refuse to debase myself just to make someone of a darker skin tone feel better about their lives.

    • David

      Spot on and I like your words of having nothing to atone for. I will keep that thought and use it when needed.

      • NRPax

        Help yourself and encourage others to use it as well.

  • tops116

    Yeah, curiously enough, I don’t want a national lecture about how America is a racist nation because a “white Hispanic” guy didn’t go to jail for shooting someone in self-defense.

    Here’s a better topic for debate: liberals explaining how America can be a racist nation despite electing and re-electing a “white black” guy. Somehow, I don’t think they’re up to the task, but 99.999999% white outfits like MSNBC and Salon will praise anyone arguing that position.

  • poljunkie♪

    I’d prefer he stop attempting to divide us at every opportunity myself.

  • IronButterfly

    Yes, lets start with a long expose on the Black Panthers. Then lets talk about OJ Simpson killing two white people. Then lets talk about the constant killing in Chicago. Ok Donna start with these three.

  • Maxx

    Sure….right after Mickey Rourke holds a national conversation on the benefits of facial moisturizer.

    Look, we all know what is going on here. Anyone who watched this trial with any degree of intellectual honesty knows damn well it was a classic self defense case. Had this been black on black or white on white, Reverand Al would still be shouting and bobble heading down the hall at MSNBC…instead of stoking his Pavlovian race-baiting.

    Sharpton and the media are seeing this as nothing more than a ratings and wallet-stuffing bonanza. No more, no less.

  • Stephen L. Hall

    Forget talking about race. Let’s talk about Morality, the Rule of Law, the foundational principles of a civilized society, the form and structure of a civilized society and the economic principles of prosperity. Let us agree on these founding principles first, then, and only then, the discussion about race may proceed, albeit fairly pointless at such a time.

    • Just Another Guy

      The problem is that Obama doesn’t actually believe in those things as traditionally viewed in the U.S.

      Win the Senate. Keep the House. Start impeaching those that appear to be guilty of Malfeasance of Office in the House. Then we can convict them in the Senate.

      • Stephen L. Hall

        Because he, nor any other liberal, does not believe in those things is precisely WHY we should have such conversations.

  • beebop1952

    Isn’t RACE why half of you idiots VOTED for 0bama. We had that discussion. How’s it working so far?

  • Dencal26

    Jessie Jackson 1993

    “There is nothing more painful to me at this stage in my life than to walk down the street and hear footsteps and start thinking about robbery. Then look around and see somebody white and feel relieved…. After all we have been through. Just to think we can’t walk down our own streets, how humiliating”.

    • DV S1EOG

      Shh… that never happened, even if you have proof, audio, video, etc. Never happened. Nothing to see here.

    • PeriMedic

      And instead of striving to change that perception, even among your peers, you choose to perpetuate and support that bias by destroying Oakland, LA, anywhere else because you are upset when things don’t go your way. And you can’t see that’s why the perception remains.

  • HoneyTree EvilEye

    That race baiting douche doesn’t have any business leading a discussion on flee bites, let alone race. Why does there need to be a discussion. The racism is mainly coming from black people. But what gives racism it’s power is attention. Peoples reactions to racist words is what gives them power. Constantly labeling every action against “minorities” racism but never acknowledging it in the opposite is racism and only gives it more power. Constantly putting all attention on racism just helps it grow more powerful. Let it go, stop only focusing on color(Hello government). Let go of the past “transgressions” because if everyone held onto them everyone would be pissed at some group for what they possibly did to their ancestors. Stop highlighting it every 10 seconds. Stop feeding it. Let it wither and die. There is no segregation in this country but self segregation, let them.

  • Joe W.

    I, for one, am finished talking about race. I don’t give two turds or a pint of pee what race you are, just leave me and mine the hell alone and we’ll get along just fine. Do not expect me to give any consideration at all to what race you are, where you are from, or how much money you have. You are responsible for yourself and your own family, just as I am for mine. I don’t want YOU to pay my way, and I certainly don’t want to pay yours. As for Barack Obama?? The man couldn’t lead lemmings over a cliff, for God’s sake.

    • David

      thanks for common sense

    • Secede

      Actually, Obama IS leading the lemmings in this country over a cliff- and they are taking us with them

  • Just Another Guy

    National Beer Summit! Because,as Homer Simpson declared “to alcohol! The cause of — and the solution to — all of life’s problems!”

    Send the bill for your bottle to Barak Obama, c/o White House, 1600 Pennsylvania Ave, Washington, DC

    Oh wait…those of us that actually pay taxes would end up overpaying for the beer as a result…

  • waterytart

    Having a “convo” about race, is like answering your wife when she asks if these pants make her look fat.

  • Texan357

    You had me at “time for President Obama to lead…” LOL

  • BoscoBolt

    I think obama told us all we need to know about his views on race when he “wrote” ‘Dreams of My Father’

    “I ceased to advertise my mother’s race at the age of 12 or 13, when I began to suspect that by doing so I was ingratiating myself to whites.” – B. Hussein Obama

  • Blake Waymire

    You know how you can tell when you’ve backed a leftist into a corner? They start calling for a conversation.

    • PeriMedic

      Well, now, according to Holder, they’re supposed to retreat. From a corner.

  • Ronald Green

    I’d say the leftist media has done enough damage already.

  • Cid Campeador

    Most conversations on race usually turn into diatribes against White People and end with the usual apologies from Whites. Nothing will ever be solved. There simply is no harmony possible. Lincoln himself recognized the futility of Whites and Blacks living peacefully together.

  • LegalizeShemp

    Yeah, you know 50 years of Great Society liberal programs have failed when the liberals call for “a national conversation” on whatever problem they’ve been trying to solve for all those 50 years. We need a “national conversation” on AIDS, sex education, racism, poverty, income inequality, you name it, we need to talk about it cause liberal’s “solutions” haven’t done Jack Schitt about any of those problems, despite $16 trillion in government spending.

  • LegalizeShemp

    We need a national conversation on why there’s so little participation in national conversations and why most people aren’t interested in national conversations about anything.

  • RIChris

    The conversation has already been started by the increasingly irresponsible media, and it is the equivalent of shouting “Fire!” in a crowded theater. How can the deliberate coaxing of racial tension by the MSM not be criminal?

  • Pat Loudoun

    Brooke doesn’t really think Oblamo can lead anythin, ddoes she?


    No Donna. Why do we need the Head Racist In Charge to lead a discussion on race?

  • Dragomance

    I thought we had this conversation,4 1/2 years ago.It’s you liberals who have been creating these situations of racial tension and dogwhistles.

  • bill_a_bob

    Spottswoode: Brooke, this is about trust. We must go back to the first time we met. It’s the eye of the needle and we must pass through………..

  • Lady 12

    What the hell has he been doing for the last five years if NOT leading a national conversation on race?????

    • David

      Actually the conversation has been ongoing for more than 50 years. Blacks have, for the most part, decided they do not want to participate in a greater and better America. They want to continue to live on the democrat plantation.

  • ceemack

    I think we need a national conversation on the prevalence of stupidity among CNN’s on-air personalities.

  • David

    There’s been a conversation about race since I was a child. I am now 65 years of age.

    It’s time to have a conversation about American exceptionalism, entrepreneurship, and assimilation.

    • CatHerder


  • conservative2012

    No thanks, him and his minions have done enough damage to race relations.

  • chrisallenrich

    The next time Obama leads anything will be the first time.

  • DLago

    This “Conversation” meme is getting really irritating. What on earth does it mean in this context anyway? The best definition I can come up with is “Passive aggressive grandstanding”. I hope to see “Conversation” added 2014’s “Banished Words List”.

  • LegalizeShemp

    We need to start a dialogue about how national conversations don’t solve problems.

  • PeriMedic

    Why would the 1st Black president need to lead a conversation on race? That he is where he is is proof that the only problems are manufactured.

  • LegalizeShemp

    “Start a national conversation” is Libspeak for “let’s have a rock concert or huge gathering of liberal politicians, celebrities and bureaucrats to party for 3 days, preferably in Vegas and with lots of sex, drugs and rock and roll, so we can all pat ourselves on the back and give each other awards for solving a problem we cannot solve.”

  • LegalizeShemp

    What is there to have a conversation about? One man shot another man in self defense and you crybaby liberals tried to start a race war over it to destroy America and the rule of law. Conversation over.

  • bkeyser

    Another one?

  • NickGranite

    The national conversation on race begins and ends here:

    “There is an innate sense in all
    animals including human beings when a hostile is in the area. When
    those human beings go out of their way to appear menacing, indeed to
    celebrate and flaunt it, you become twice as wary. Zimmerman didn’t kill
    Trayvon. The black community killed Trayvon by embracing this horrible
    culture that has everyone in their vicinity constantly on edge.”

    Either the black community fixes it or they don’t. We will adjust accordingly and move as far away as we can get if that is what is required. i think the Obama administration led by his henchman Holder has emboldened the racists within the black leadership to the whole community’s great detriment. When Obama is enjoying the fruits of OUR labor in retirement, they are going to have to deal with the fallout. Economic and social segregation. Maybe that’s what they want. So be it.

  • stuckinIL4now

    Obamuh has done little besides stir that pot of racism in his every national conversation, uh, monologue with the American people.

  • exceller

    “Should president Obama lead..”, just stop right there and ask yourself, when has Obama led on anything? Is there anyone out there still harboring the allusion that Obama is a leader? a healer or uniter?

    Haven’t we already heard his race speech years ago, something about his Grandmother being a “typical white person”?

  • itzWicks

    Thank you, NO. The President, the AG, and much of the media are incapable of such honest conversations. And since the President appears to be more focused on his next vacation than in creating new job opportunities, why should anyone expect to find apples in an orange grove?

    If the point of holding a conversation about race relations is to continue pulling the scab instead of healing the wound, then why bother? At what point does Black America and guilt-driven White America leave the past in the past?
    We have enough issues on the table as it is now. Solving the bigger ones tends to help resolve the smaller ones along the way.

  • notenoughtime

    Any time a real conversation needs to be held, Pres. O retreats into the shadows and allows his puppets to speak. He is not a uniter but a divider and the less said the better.

  • Fired Up

    No Brooke, but I’d be OK with you and Obama going the way of Cambell Brown and Soledad O’Brian.

  • stuckinIL4now

    Upon further review I think Obamuh should lead a national conversation that he could start by addressing the out-of-control gun violence and all the young black men being murdered by other blacks–in CHICAGO. Can ya’ ‘splain what’s goin’ on there, Bammy? Or would publicizing this too much disparage your buddy Chicago Mayor failure Rahmbo?

  • Lou Cifer

    “Everything the government touches turns to crap” – Ringo Starr
    That about sums it up, no we don’t want Obama to do anything, maybe he can go on vacation until 2016, that would likely be far less expensive for Murica in the long run.

  • VL123

    Why do leftists always wanna have “conversations” and dialogue? They just wanna propagandize the useful idiots.

  • rickg62

    Correct me if I’m wrong, but haven’t we been having this conversation ever since at least the Civil Rights Act of 1964 if not since the Emancipation Proclamation?