Chalk up another one for the most transparent administration ever. We’re learning tonight that Vice President Joe Biden will be holding a closed-door meeting tomorrow with undisclosed “gun safety advocates” — which very well could mean the National Rifle Association. Maybe he’s getting private lessons on proper shotgun use?

Seriously, though: who are these “gun safety advocates” meeting with Biden just a week after the Senate rejected several new gun control measures?

  • Over_head

    I would guess he is going to explain the strategy, which would be that nothing will be pushed until after the 2014 midterm election. I could be wrong, of course.

  • CombatDiver

    Probably a meeting to figure out the meaning of ” advocate.”

  • Clayton Grant

    I don’t need a crystal ball to see into the future. The left will not let gun control go. They will make this a 2014 election issue and push that bogus “90% favor sensible gun reform” statistic as far as they can.
    .
    Baucus is the latest of 8 dem Senators that won’t be seeking reelection in 2014. The rats are abandoning ship.

    • Jack Deth

      They can keep trying, but gun control has never been a great Democrat “get” or “winner”.

      Obama’s plan was for his three bills to pass in the Senate and be shot down by Republicans in the House.

      That didn’t happen. So now Zero has to re-think and scheme. Losing a major bat to beat Republicans with next year.

    • WWMD

      and youll have more weapons than your 2 hands can hold still.

      • ceemack

        That’s what holsters and slings are for.

        • WWMD

          non of which are covered in the constitution unless you are part of a well organized militia.

          • MrApple

            You are simply wrong.

          • http://extremesplash.wordpress.com/ Ben Bollman

            absolute BS.

          • Ronald Green

            2008 Supreme Court ruled that the 2nd Amendment conferred an Individual Right to keep and bear arms, not merely a collective right if a member of the National Guard or Organized Militia. Like I said earlier, if you were as smart as you think you are, you’d know this.

          • WWMD

            I do. 5-4. Not exactly a solid decision. I hope you all accept the gay marriage ruling when it comes in striking DOMA down.

          • Ronald Green

            If you ‘do’, why do you lie about it then? Morally bankrupt perhaps? And whether the count is 5 – 4 or 9 – 0 is irrelevant, when it comes to Supreme Court rulings. And your pathetic attempt to distract with your ‘gay’ agenda question is pretty sad.

          • WWMD

            i know it i didnt say I thought they were right. Scalia isnt the most thoughtful jurist and Thomas hmm that was one of the more embarrassing choices ever. Also such blatant conflicts of interests in the later

      • http://pennyrobinsonfanclub.net/ PennyRobinsonFanClub

        Yup. The right tool for the right job!

        • WWMD

          your that bad of a marksman that you cant take down an intruder with one good weapon?

          • MrApple

            What if there are multiple intruders, like a flash mob?

          • Ronald Green

            Obviously, you have never been in a fire fight so shut up.

          • WWMD

            Yeah that happens here in American daily. Right

          • Ronald Green

            I have been in two, both at the behest of our government, I have some familiarity with that beast. You, quite obviously, do not. You come on here and lie, equivocate, and just plain throw BS around. You have no moral standing, no factual information to back your opinion but you throw that opinion around as if your opinion somehow makes you superior to everybody else. You are not and your silly unicorn fantasies are all a product of nothing more than your imagination and liberal stupidity. When you wake up from your latest pipe dream, get back to us with some more of your silly opinions. I can hardly wait.

          • WWMD

            im not talking about war im talking about protecting your home. if you go through my comments elsewhere i back up my statements with facts. most dont like it so they belittle and discount them because they have no argument The lie of Obama snubbing Thatchers funeral being prime example

          • $45875941

            Right, one good weapon should be all we “need.” Yet, it took 9000 LEOs with M4s (which was a great job) to take down ONE bad guy in Newtown. You could’ve done it with one Barney Five bullet in your pocket though, couldn’t you? Wait, I forgot, you’re afraid of guns.

      • MrApple

        And you’ll have even more to complain about. It seems like it will be win win for everyone.

  • grais

    The most ardent gun safety advocates I know of are members of the NRA.

    • angeleyez

      ++++++++++++++++++++
      .
      Is this secret meeting another one of Obama’s MARXIST gun grabbing ploys ?

      • WWMD

        +2

        • Kingofthehill

          “A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free
          State, (COMMA) THE RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE to keep and bear Arms, shall not be
          infringed.”

          The “Militia” then was a male of age and physically able, this is before the “national guard”. Besides, if someone REALLY wanted to push the “Militia” aspect of the 2a and has a complete disregard to the comma and “right of the people” and ever so importantly “Shall not be infringed” then someone who just takes a quick search online will find out that there are hundreds of thousands of Americans currently in Active Militias, myself being one of them (SCSM).

          • WWMD

            right. well organized like national guard police etc.. PS taking up arms against the government isnt patriotism, its called treason. thats why we vote instead

          • http://pennyrobinsonfanclub.net/ PennyRobinsonFanClub

            And that the said Constitution be never construed to authorize Congress to infringe the just liberty of the press, or the rights of conscience; or to prevent the people of the United States, who are peaceable citizens, from keeping their own arms; or to raise standing armies, unless necessary for the defense of the United States, or of some one or more of them; or to prevent the people from petitioning, in a peaceable and orderly manner, the federal legislature, for a redress of grievances; or to subject the people to unreasonable searches and seizures of their persons, papers or possessions.

            Samuel Adams: Debates of the Massachusetts Convention of 1788, 1788

          • http://pennyrobinsonfanclub.net/ PennyRobinsonFanClub

            The Constitution preserves the advantage of being armed which Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation, where the Government are afraid to trust their people with arms.

            John Adams:

          • WWMD

            To suppose arms in the hands of citizens, to be used at individual discretion, except in private self-defense, or by partial orders of towns, countries or districts of a state, is to demolish every constitution, and lay the laws prostrate, so that liberty can be enjoyed by no man; it is a dissolution of the government. The fundamental law of the militia is, that it be created, directed and commanded by the laws, and ever for the support of the laws.
            —John Adams, A Defence of the Constitutions of the United States 475 (1787-1788)

          • Guest

            No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms.

            Thomas Jefferson

          • WWMD

            its Freeman

            No Freeman shall ever be disbarred from the use of arms. Arms in the hands of citizens may be used at individual discretion in private self-defense.
            Thomas Jefferson, proposal for Virginia’s constitution 1776

          • MrApple

            My guess is that slaves were rarely given the means to forcible end their stint in slavery.

          • WWMD

            which goes hand and hand with this:

            To suppose arms in the hands of citizens, to be used at individual discretion, except in private self-defense, or by partial orders of towns, countries or districts of a state, is to demolish every constitution, and lay the laws prostrate, so that liberty can be enjoyed by no man; it is a dissolution of the government. The fundamental law of the militia is, that it be created, directed and commanded by the laws, and ever for the support of the laws.
            —John Adams, A Defence of the Constitutions of the United States 475 (1787-1788)

          • MrApple

            Also using the words of John Adams:

            “Here every private person is authorized to arm himself, and on the strength of this authority, I do not deny the inhabitants had a right to arm themselves at that time, for their defense, not for offence.”

            As defense attorney for the British soldiers on trial for the Boston Massacre. Reported in L. Kinvin Wroth and Hiller B. Zobel, ed., Legal Papers of John Adams (Cambridge, Mass: Harvard University Press, 1965), 3:248.

            “To see that the people be continually trained up in the exercise of arms, and the militia lodged only in the people’s hands.”

            Marchamont Nedhams, reported in Adams’, ‘A Defense of the Constitutions of the Government of the United States of America 3:471 (1788); Adams wrote there that “[T]he rule in general is excellent”.

            Source: http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Second_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution#John_Adams

          • http://pennyrobinsonfanclub.net/ PennyRobinsonFanClub

            The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government.

            Thomas Jefferson

          • http://truthbeagle.blogspot.com/ TruthBeagle™

            …as we currently have……

          • WWMD

            Sorry, but here is the thing about Jefferson. He wrote. and He wrote and wrote and all of his writings, thousands of them are very well preserved. Nowhere did he write the above. sounds good to those wanting to propagate guns but alas no.

          • WWMD
          • http://pennyrobinsonfanclub.net/ PennyRobinsonFanClub

            No Freeman shall ever be disbarred from the use of arms. Arms in the hands of citizens may be used at individual discretion in private self-defense.

            Thomas Jefferson

          • WWMD

            Here is a hint though dont just slap a name at the bottom cause you read in on free republic or a NRA site research and quote where it actually comes from like this:

            To suppose arms in the hands of citizens, to be used at individual discretion, except in private self-defense, or by partial orders of towns, countries or districts of a state, is to demolish every constitution, and lay the laws prostrate, so that liberty can be enjoyed by no man; it is a dissolution of the government. The fundamental law of the militia is, that it be created, directed and commanded by the laws, and ever for the support of the laws.
            —John Adams, A Defence of the Constitutions of the United States 475 (1787-1788)

          • http://www.facebook.com/richard.jefferies.96 Richard Jefferies

            “A strong body makes the mind strong. As to the species of exercises, I advise the gun. While this gives a moderate exercise to the Body, it gives boldness, enterprise, and independence to the mind . . . Let your gun therefore be the constant companion of your walks.” –Thomas Jefferson, Letter to his Nephew Peter Carr, August 19, 1785

          • http://pennyrobinsonfanclub.net/ PennyRobinsonFanClub

            Americans [have] the right and advantage of being armed, unlike the citizens of other countries whose governments are afraid to trust their people with arms.

            James Madison

          • http://pennyrobinsonfanclub.net/ PennyRobinsonFanClub

            Laws that forbid the carrying of arms disarm only those who are neither inclined, nor determined to commit crimes. Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants. They serve rather to encourage than prevent homicides from an unarmed man, may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man.

            Thomas Paine

          • http://pennyrobinsonfanclub.net/ PennyRobinsonFanClub

            A militia when properly formed are in fact the people themselves… and include all men capable of bearing arms. . . To preserve liberty it is essential that the whole body of people always possess arms.

            Richard Henry Lee: Senator, First Congress

          • WWMD

            “A popular government without popular information or the means of acquiring it, is but a prologue to a farce, or a tragedy, or perhaps both.”
            madison

          • http://truthbeagle.blogspot.com/ TruthBeagle™

            And what of a government that ‘creates’ information, with the watchdogs of the government (lib. media) being the lapdogs of the government to disseminate it?

          • WWMD

            yeah like during the war. right you have been so propagandized its no point in saying anything.. i bet during watergate the reporters were liberal commie trouble makers huh

          • http://truthbeagle.blogspot.com/ TruthBeagle™

            It was the press digging for the truth. Something they never do now as their only job is to cover for obama, hiding the truth.

          • WWMD

            for what?

          • http://truthbeagle.blogspot.com/ TruthBeagle™

            Geeeez. Talk about a broad statement. Everything from obamatax to Benghazi, and his ‘40% background check’ comment. Well. I guess that isn’t technically a ‘lie’. Just a good example of misleading the public, using an irrelevant 15 year old stat comprised of a tiny, flawed sample collected almost 20 years ago.

            But keep believing. How many unicorns have you seen recently? My guess is herds, with and without the shrooms.

          • Ken Alan Draper

            National guard is army, army provides weapons, supplies, etc. Militia is made up of private citizen’s they get no pay, no equipment furnished, no uniforms, nothing they do not buy for themselves.

          • WWMD

            thats reaching

          • Ronald Green

            No, it isn’t. Your vaunted National Guard is a Federal organization created after the Spanish American War in a deliberate attempt to gain control over the State’s militias. It was needed because they found they needed a reserve force in the South which had been prevented from reforming their militias after the War of 1861. The militia is, and always was a purely State organization. Look we get it, you’re a liberal anti-gun wacko that will come up with any silly argument to try to defend your unicorn land vision of utopia. Give it up. We aren’t buying your line of drivel.

          • MrApple

            Liberals love to bring up the “well regulated” section of the 2nd Amendment in hopes of pointing out that regulated should mean controlled, monitored, or governed. The problem is the phrase has
            changed meaning over the years and when reading and discussing the wording in the 2nd Amendment you must look to the intent of those that wrote the Amendment and keep to the definition of the time period. A “well regulated” militia of the period was made up of average citizens who decently disciplined to stand the trials of combat, trained in the proper function of their weapons, and maintained their weaponry in good working order. Alexander Hamilton declared in “The Federalist Papers, #29” that “the character of a well regulated militia” was found in a state of preparedness only reached after rigorous and consistent training. But that to fully acquire “the character of a well regulated militia” would be so time consuming as to be “a real grievance to the people and a serious public inconvenience and loss.” So the best we can do is be ready to fight if needed in defense of the State, keep our firearms in proper working order, and know how to use them.

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Marcy-Cook/1001619613 Marcy Cook

            A militia – pronoun. Generally refers to an army or other fighting force that is composed of
            “non-professional fighters;” “citizens of a nation” or “subjects of a state
            or government that can be called upon to enter a combat situation,” as ”
            opposed to a professional force of regular soldiers” or, historically,
            members of the fighting nobility. Some of the ways the term is used
            include:

            Defense activity or service, to protect a community, its territory, property, and laws.
            “”

            The entire ” able-bodied population of a community, town, county, or state,” available to be called to arms.

            “A private, non-government force, not necessarily directly supported or sanctioned by its government”

          • WWMD

            i e the national guard

          • Ronald Green

            In 2002 The Supreme Court ruled that the National Guard is a Federal organization and not the Militia. If you were as smart as you think you are, you would know this.

          • http://www.facebook.com/richard.jefferies.96 Richard Jefferies

            You don’t know jack-crap about the National Guard, obviously. It is a Federal organization, it is part of the US Army. If the state calls up the National Guard without Federal authorization the state must pay for it. If they were state entities then training and equipment would vary from state to state. All National Guard soldiers go to training at regular Army post. A National Guard infantryman is trained at the same place, and alongside, regular Army soldiers.

          • http://extremesplash.wordpress.com/ Ben Bollman

            WWMD says:

            “PS taking up arms against the government isnt patriotism, its called treason.”

            Ahem…

          • WWMD

            right and with our amazing system we correct errs in government in the voting booth and it is not up to a band of individuals who disagree with the majority vote to overturn that by the point of a gun. then the majority would be subject to real tyranny

          • http://extremesplash.wordpress.com/ Ben Bollman

            When they start taking rights away guaranteed by the Constitution it is absolutely our right and duty to defend ourselves by force if necessary. The Bill of Rights is there to limit what the government can do to us, they are natural rights not granted by the government and therefore they cannot take them away. Understand that first then get back to me.

          • Ronald Green

            You really are a libtard of the first degree.

          • http://truthbeagle.blogspot.com/ TruthBeagle™

            Context is irrelevant to progressives. Anything they can do to twist the truth. I wonder how many copies of the Constitution he burns every cold night of winter? They really HATE that document, especially the 10th Amendment.

          • j p

            Definition of INFRINGE
            transitive verb
            1: to encroach upon in a way that violates law or the rights of another.
            2: Act so as to limit or undermine (something); encroach on: “infringe on his privacy”.
            It almost seems like INFRINGEMENT is the prime objective of government and positions of power these days.

          • Ronald Green

            The definition of who the militia is, is found in the Federalist / Anti-Federalist Papers. It is the whole body of adult males capable of acting concert for the defense of the State. That is what still makes up the militia today as defined by the Supreme Court in 2002. We are all part of the militia, the greatest majority of us just don’t participate in it.

          • carfxr123

            did pa malitia dis band or something, had put in a request to join and when i went back to check on it the site seems to be out of commision

    • ceemack

      My very thought…”He’s meeting with the NRA?!!”

    • MrApple

      You should take a look at the GOA (Gun Owners of America).

  • CR

    Wouldn’t want to be late and knock on the door to that meeting. Biden might shoot a shotgun through the closed door!

  • TCguns_carry

    Bullies, that’s who.

  • 191145

    planning another attack ????

  • Jules

    Please don’t perpetuate the Liberals misuse of words to promote their political agenda. Use the real language every time you speak of them as their word games are a form of deception for the low-information voter.

    Examples:

    1) Progressives (aka ~ Democrats who want to fundamentally change America)
    2) Gun Safety (aka ~ Gun-Control)
    3) Pro-choice (aka ~ pro-Abortion)
    4) Marriage equality (aka ~ same sex marriage)
    5) Undocumented Immigrants (aka ~ Illegal Aliens)
    6) Affordable Care Act (aka ~ Socialist Medicine & largest tax mandate in US History)
    7) Homegrown acts of violence (aka ~ Islamic Terrorism)
    8) Right Wing Extremist (aka ~ anyone that doesn’t identify as a Democrat)
    9) Obama’s Tax Cut for the Middle Class (aka ~ Bush’s Tax Cuts)
    10) Balanced Approach (aka ~ increased spending, increase in deficit & debt)
    11) Fair Share (aka ~ The share that only the rich pay)
    12) Common Sense (aka ~ anything the Democrats say)
    13) Bible Thumper (aka ~ Person who believes in God ~ so much for religious tolerance)

    I could go on and on and on…..the Democrats are deceptive and use words as their weapon of choice. Be aware of it and don’t propagate it. Call it out for what it is each and every time.

  • Lamontyoubigdummy

    Shorter Biden “gun safety” meeting…

    Q: [Any asked]
    A: 12 gauge shotgun

    Q: [Any asked}
    A: Knock-offs

    Q: [Any asked]
    A: Potato Salad

  • MattM

    I’ve noticed lately that Biden and the rest of the gun grabbers are using the term “gun safety advocates” to label organizations such as the Brady Center and MAIG. Gun “control” sounds like you’re trying to control something, but “reasonable gun safety measures” like UBC’s and AWBs/Magazine limits fall under gun “safety” in their liberal utopian distorted sense of reality. Plus, it makes things sound like you’re trying to find a safe solution rather than infringing on rights. Probably a meeting of gun control groups trying to strategize their next move.

    • MrApple

      I guess that would mean, in the eyes of Liberals, that pro-gun groups such as the NRA, GOA, JPFO, or SAF are “gun danger advocates”.

  • Peyton

    A closed door meeting? I wouldn’t stand on the other side of that door, never know when Joe might decide to get the shotgun out.

    • http://reaganff.tumblr.com/ reaganFF

      Two thumbs. Way up.

  • Bob Galasso

    For being the “most transparent administration is US history”, they sure do have a lot of closed-door meetings, don’t they?

  • MrApple

    What happen to the “most transparent administration ever”?

  • David Miller

    No, it is not the NRA. “gun safety” is the new euphemism for “gun control”. As to who the “gun safety advocates might be, the short list must include the Brady Campaign, MAIG, and Americans for Responsible Solutions (Giffords new group).

  • Thought Criminal #1

    I’d be shocked if it were the NRA. To Democrat statists there’s only one kind of “gun safety”. The “safety” they’re after is the kind of safety only a disarmed populace affords the political ruling class.

  • bulruq

    To this administration “gun safety advocates” really means the extremist groups pushing for outright bans.

  • Biff Sarin

    PLEASE!!! Biden and Obama’s idea of “Gun Safety Advocates” is the Brady Campaign or “Mayors Against Illegal Guns”. Why would anybody think that they would actually entertain ANY input from the most ardent gun safety group (the NRA) on the planet???

    • j p

      Probably looking for some sort of kickbacks.

  • OlFeller

    “Vice President Biden told White House allies in the gun control fight Thursday that President Obama will be announcing new executive actions on gun violence in the days after the Senate voted down a gun violence bill.”
    This statement is from numerous news sources, CNN & Politico for a couple. You can bet it’s not “Gun Safety Advocates” he’s meeting with.

  • $27789750

    Any meetings with Biden a waste of time. No one except the totally disconnected could possibly take him seriously any more.

  • capisce

    Gun Safety – lesson one: Do not “just fire the shotgun through the door.”

  • $35072932

    Hitler Finds out Gun Control Failed in the Senate
    http://gunwatch.blogspot.com/2013/04/hitler-finds-out-gun-control-failed-in.html
    Yes, it is overdone. But it is still funny!

    Hitler Finds Out Gun Control Failed In The Senate
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=sbBZZyL7EJY

  • twolaneflash

    Seriously though, don’t you mean “…the Senate rejected several new gun grabbing and 2nd Amendment trampling measures?”?

  • Ronald Green

    “Gun Safety Advocates” the new buzz word for anti-gun groups, how much you want to bet?

  • http://www.facebook.com/richard.jefferies.96 Richard Jefferies

    Dog whistle for the “gun safety equals gun abolishment crowd.”

  • Just Another Guy

    Now, if we could just leave that room “locked and loaded’ with these self-righteous morons…permanently locked preferred.