Students at Taft High School in Kern County, Calif., issued frightened tweets last month about a student — Bryan Oliver — whose name has been circulating on Twitter in connection with the shooting of another student and a teacher today.

The disturbing tweets are dated Dec. 15.

Taft High School’s website lists Rona Angelo as vice principal. Several people at the school have tweeted rumors of a “hit list” which circulated last year.

In a series of unconfirmed tweets, students today named Bowe Cleveland as the student allegedly shot in the shoulder by student, Bryan Oliver.

Flash forward to today:

One of the students who expressed her concerns about Bryan Oliver in December later said she regretted doing so:

Should the administration have taken these students’ concerns more seriously?

The “national conversation” on gun violence has reached the White House this week, but as the administration and gun rights groups noisily grapple over the Second Amendment, time bombs quietly tick inside our schools. Is anyone listening?

Update, January 11th, 6:23 a.m. ET:

KGET is reporting that Bryan Oliver is the name of the suspected shooter.

USA Today is reporting that Bowe Cleveland was the student who was shot.

These reports are consistent with what Twitchy reported early yesterday afternoon.


Live updates: Shooting reported at Taft High School in Kern County, Calif.; Two shot; Twitter users name victims, shooter

Unconfirmed rumor: Taft High School shooting suspect had a ‘hit list’ last year

Unconfirmed: Student Bowe Cleveland shot in Taft High School shooting; Teacher may have been injured; Update: Friends rally Stan Lee, #PrayForBowe

Taft High School student asks Stan Lee to visit shooting victim: ‘He’s a big Spider-Man fan’

Taft HS students honor teacher, campus supervisor who helped stop gunman; Update

  • Red Fred

    Fear openly expressed by fellow students should have been enough of a warning flag to require thorough mental evaluation. Any threat or “hit list” should be taken seriously and dealt with appropriately through law enforcement.

    • Guest

      But if only two kids were worrying about it, the school might have thought they were overreacting. It was the knife incident and the hit list that should have really raised the red flags, especially if this Bowe kid complained to someone. The school really should have been more concerned the whole time.

    • Kyukaisakana

      And the sad thing is most often times it isn’t. No one is willing to step forward and report a loved one or a friend out of fear of that person being angry at them later because you reported them. I would rather deal with a friend being mad at me for a short period of time than ignore something to the point where it leads to another Columbine or Newtown; then I can live with the guilt for the rest of life for not having taken some sort of action.

  • Avey Owyns

    You see… He couldn’t shoot up the school because he didn’t have a gun … and it’s pretty much clear that guns kill people, not people. And thus; we need to ban guns. /sarc

    • bill_cowman

      Avey, if someone wants a gun, they will find one. Banning them is not going to make you any safer.

      • journogal

        Look at Chicago, Detroit or D.C. – strictest gun laws in the nation and yet highest gun crime rate.

    • Ashley

      He tried with a shotgun….. chances are if he actually tried with an assault rifle, there would be at least two dead young boys. And yes I’m fully aware of the damage a shotgun can do. Can we all just be grateful this kid had terrible aim?

      • Aidan MacAnBhaird

        Sweetcheeks, a shotgun has a rather large spray pattern, even with a narrow choke installed. If one cannot directly hit a large target with a shotgun, then they would have completely missed with an assault rifle. Think it through.

        If that isn’t working, look at it this way. He had a hard time hitting a 2′ wide target with a 3′ wide spray. Now convert that to a rifle of any calibre and he would not have hit a 2′ wide target with a 1/4″ wide bullet. Again, think it through.

      • CCB

        Yeah, uh if he missed with a shotgun there is no chance in hell he would have hit them with a rifle. Not to mention a 12ga shotgun would do much more damage in hallways at close range than a semi-auto .223 caliber. Even with bird shot if I had to take out a large opossum I would blow it in 2 pieces. If I shot it with a .223 It might still live unless it was a head shot.

    • Michelle Black-Dean

      Guns do not kill people! People kill people!
      If a gun is laying on a table it will not open fire. There has to be a person on the other end to pull the trigger, SO clearly people kill people. Guns do not need to be banned. What next ban knives, water, cars, etc. in your theory they all kill people! Banning guns will do nothing. Criminal, crazy people etc don’t give a crap if its illegal they will still get them with no problem. The solution is to concentrate on the mental minds of these people and deal with it. Make an example of this shooter and execute him, no trial just death, people might think twice next time.

  • Michael Rice

    If the knife thing is true and I am not shocked if it is….then this is just another sign of the culture we live in. If he pulled a knife or brought a knife to school, he should have been done, periond, end of discussion.

    Unfortunately, had that been the course of action, every liberal law group and organization would have rushed in a threatened to sue, whining about rehabilitation what’s best for him, cry, sniff sniff…

    • bill_cowman

      Yep they’d have made a victim out of him.

    • lugoadvertising

      1) A list of all liberals with mental illness and those supporting them MUST be sought and published. 2) Schools are and should be held responsible. Students expressing fear is a sign enough for investigation. This nonsense of “figuring out” after the fact should no longer be the standard. God bless & protect all those students & family. We need GOD back in school. We must stand up and pressure the schools. It can be done, but many parents do not due to fear of PC. If all stuck together, Bible would be right back in school.

      • David Ward

        Sorry, but it ain’t going to happen. All you god worshipers, also have a mental illness. Talking to someone who’s not there.

        • Jillane Kent

          How bizarre that something you insist is imaginary preoccupies you so much…

          • dcnj

            yup and he’ll be the first one praying when the &*it hits the fan….

      • Hoopty

        God should be in your HOME. If he was in your HOME, lugo, you wouldn’t need to force strangers to do YOUR job for you and raise YOUR little radical bastard. The fact is you hate god, and can’t handle the idea of god in your home, preferring to keep it in schools. Do your damned job, you lazy cretinous radicals!

  • Jeffrey Harbin

    I have more than a little experience with Taft and Kern County law enforcement, and I am very surprised that they took no action against this kid for a “hit list” from last year. They tend to have a zero tolerance attitude for that kind of crap. I wonder if they were even aware of it, or did the kids all try and handle this themselves without involving the adults?

    • Catchance

      Apparently the school knew about it… the tweeter MariahDoty was called into the office because of her tweets. The school administration must not have taken it seriously enough to have reported it.

  • David O’Brien

    At least he was apparently talked down….

  • LissaKay

    And on the other hand, 6 year olds that point a finger and say “Pow!” get suspended. What a screwed up world this is ….

    • Jesse Perlstein-Mizrachi

      Teachers are hyper-reactive towards little kids. The problem is that none of them actually know how to recognize psychosis and even then there is a difference between a dangerous psychotic and one that has it under control. We both think about death and killing constantly the difference is the dangerous ones make DIRECT THREATS (I thought of you while watching 5 serial killer movie) and the non dangerous ones only indirect comments about death (a vague comment about rather being dead than being in spanish class or writing on bathroom stalls). The issue is that dangerous ones won’t defend themselves which makes them kind of tricky to identify where as the non dangerous ones will exclusively defend themselves meaning they fight back which is more punishable than one way aggression.

      Exact same thing happened twice at my HS, the first time a PARENT called in a bomb threat warning saying that his kid was talking about blowing up the school the second time a kid wrote something about wanting to blow up the school on a specific date (written 8 month prior) on a bathroom stall. Both times the staff moronically locked all the students in the building. Neither student was expelled but they took away all the doors and barriers in the mens rooms so we basically had to crap in front of each other. For reference the school is Eaglecrest High School in CO.

      I personally think that because they really hold no legal liability the schools don’t give a damn. They treat the students like shit and this is what happens as a result, they treat each other like shit. Just add in one dangerous psychotic (which there are plenty of in the population). Mix well and bake till it’s bat shit crazy time, then people get over reactive when it’s too late and they blame and they b/s. I think staff drills and training for that type of emergency response would really help to minimize casualties when these things happen though.

      Though if a student makes a delayed direct threat like this the proper response is to ambush them later. Most of these kids are just picked on that pull guns, not beaten up, you can teach them fear or at least break both their arms, because who ever heard of a guy with two broken arms wielding a shotty?.

      • Mama Bear

        Holy hell, EHS is less than a mile from my house! How come I never heard of this? What year did this happen? Homeschooling my kids! Cherry Creek supposed to be good, but it’s still public (government) school, so it truly equals crap.

        • Jesse Perlstein-Mizrachi

          2001-2004 was when I was there the bomb threats were in 2001 and 2003. The gang problems got way worse in 2004 when all the Korean gang kids graduated and all we had left was black gangs to fill the void. They took away the walls to the men’s bathroom stalls in 2003 after they found a I’m gonna blow up the school note written by another kid who regularly beat up other people.

          Public schools are pure crap even the special magnet schools that you have to have a high IQ (145+) to get into. They amount to nothing more than a prison socialization system which hurts the long term prospects of the kids far worse than their sub par education. As long as you obey the rules of the top dog (principal, teacher, security guard) you are given a pass for all other behavior. I’ve been suspended more times (64 days total over 6 years, fell out of habit my junior year) for foul language than anyone I knew was ever punished for violence (7 days when that window was broken at that magnet school, cumulatively the kid who was sent to an insane asylum in Mexico from Cherry Creek High had a total of 15 days over 10 years).

          Can I ask you a question, about how much income do I need to make to be able to home school my kids, would it be cheaper or more effective to send them to a private school? A friend of mine went to a top notch one nearby and gave it a pretty glowing review, said he never had to even argue intensely with people.

          • Jesse Perlstein-Mizrachi

            BTW I should mention that the suspensions were the equivalent of prison solitary confinement. I was never out of school suspended, the other kids were ISS is terrible.

          • calwatch

            With online public school now more and more people can home school their kids with a virtual assist. As long as you can lock down the kids’ twitter and tumblr accounts during “class”, it works out great. They even have “community day school” programs where they show up once or twice a week and do field trips or projects while they do the rest of the lesson plans at home. The main issue is that someone has to stay at home to deliver these lessons.

  • Well Done

    Things like this are ignored because the higher level bureaucracy wants tragedies, to give them the green light to do what they, in turn, have been directed to do: confiscate guns.

    • Ashley

      Only someone evil would want a tragedy. I don’t think anyone wants something like this to happen. You sound sick. Get help

      • Garth Haycock

        And you are in denial. Rahm Emmanuel stated the left’s position when he quoted Alinsky about never letting a crisis go to waste.

    • GaryTheBrave

      Jesse, I know what you mean about Aurora. The city is nicknamed Saudi Aurora for a reason.

      I had the same issue when I was in HS in CA. There were 17 kids who threatened to kill me. I tried to tell the principal but he said he couldn’t do anything because they had not hurt me yet. I didn’t know it at the time but I could’ve gone to the Sheriff’s or the DA. Death threats or threats of harm go beyond the purview of the school administration.

      Unfortunately the police or DA likely would’ve told me the same thing as the principal. Under the law one cannot be accused of a crime until the crime is committed.

      • Jesse Perlstein-Mizrachi

        Yeah that how I learned to live and learn, started WEARING a weapon to school and was never stopped (40 lb 6 foot chain with a sharp edged carabiner at the end that I wore around my waist as a belt and could pull off to use as a weapon in an instant, way more devastating a weapon than a knife). You have to practice with it tho use it, it’s not so easy, it’s easy to past school security though, just wear a long shirt. By choice I kept mine in plain sight, it was more of a open intimidation than a defensive tool, very effective and you can use it to improve your game too.

        Like I said they have no interest in making sure that the kids are remotely respectful towards one another or that it is a safe place.

        Threatening to kill someone is a crime, actually a pretty serious one. If it is said in public and you have a witness you can pursue a warrant in court. I just found that people were less likely to come back if I broke them, whereas if I used 3rd party intervention it made me more of a target (prison rules again). The schools just don’t seem to get any of this.

  • ZoriahShepard

    It’s always easier to blame something or someone outside of the immediate problem. Because then they, like the parents or school administrators, would have take some responsibility and they like to avoid feeling uncomfortable at all costs.

  • Ben Chrisner

    The left need these incidents to bolster their agenda

  • alvinjh

    Another mental health case..ignored.

    • dcnj

      and what…violate his human rights…never…


    • Jesse Perlstein-Mizrachi

      The school counselors are not clinical psychologists and are poorly trained and completely unprepared for all situations at best. All they do is listen to THE WHINY KIDS bitching because only those narcissistic kids will visit them not the ones that are getting abused at home or anything like that [had to beat up a gfs father once because he pulled a gun on me for no reason but wasn’t prepared to shoot me, found out he rapes his daughter, actually met a few kids in similar circumstances, they end up drug abusers and/or severely overweight sex toys for abusive guys (except one that was being sexually abused by her grandmother who actually turned out normal) those kids never approach a counselor 0/14 in my book.

      What the counselors actually do is they turn the kids against their parents by blaming whatever problem the kid has on their parents or confusing them over verbal abuse and other communication issues. But if the parent hits the kid they won’t be at the counselor I can guarantee you that. A friend of mine was killed by a life insurance frauds-man that studied PUA (pick up artistry) and spend 6 years in an abusive relationship prior because she thought her parents hated her so much (she stopped talking to them after senior year). I know for a fact though that they never even threatened to hit her, she just believed the b/s spin of the counselors so much IT KILLED HER.

      Like I said all prison rules apply in school.

  • Charles

    instead of tweeting like idiots, they should have been talking to teachers an cops!

  • GTFOBigGovt

    This is what we get from Liberal taken-over government schools.

  • idesign2

    The lame stream media will never report this story, unless people pass it on…

    • Ashley

      Well they’ve already reported it. So you’re completely wrong

      • idesign2

        CNN, NBC, FOX?
        Links please..:)

        • Caribou “Dumped” Barbie™

          The have all day long.
          Wrong again, c4p

          • Michelle

            Barbie – it appears you and Ashley are confused. What idesign means by “reporting this story” is…this story, the one right here (up there^) about how the students at this school sounded the alarm on this shooter LAST MONTH and no one did anything about it. What idesign did not mean by “reporting this story” was the story about the shooting itself – of course they’ve been reporting it. Duh.

          • Jesse Malkin

            thank you Michelle for clarifying. You are right.

          • Jillane Kent

            You’re in the habit of sitting in your basement, monitoring all television channels at once then?

          • Caribou “Dumped” Barbie™

            Wrong. I don’t have a basement. You need a new crystal ball.

      • Jesse Malkin

        No MSM outlet has reported that kids sounded the alarm about Bryan Oliver. For that matter, very few MSM outlets have named the shooter or either of the victims.

  • RightThinking1

    Serially, administrators have been more culpable in these things than the NRA. Maybe Uncle Joe should have called a few of them in, for something other union votes.

  • George Washington Mclintock

    LAst tweet gets to heart of gun control debate. How many times was it called before hand, and stupid bastard admins don’t do squat beforehand, and stupider prick liberals make sure nothing gets done afterwards.

  • o0Nighthawk0o

    I live in a small community like this and the mentality of the people is “Things like that will never happen here”. I’ve seen it in the schools and, as a member of the county Emergency Management Agency, from the government too. When my oldest was in Junior High about 13 years ago he had problems with what he described as a ‘wanna-be’ gang starting up in the school. My wife and I went to the principal about it. I told the guy that he had a gang problem starting in his school. He literally laughed at me and told me “no way, we don’t have gangs here”. By the next school year there were stories in the paper about the gang problems at the school. Happily, by that time we had moved to a different school district.
    Administrators need to wake up and face the reality that things like Taft, Newtown, Aurora, etc. can happen anywhere at any time.

    • Jesse Perlstein-Mizrachi

      I grew up in Aurora let me tell you about it. It’s a sick hellhole. The teachers behave irresponsibly and let kids pick on each other and even get pretty violent with each other, as long as it’s only going one way it’s ok if a kid gets beaten up but a fight is bad. Essentially they teach kids not to fight back, one of the worst lessons a human can learn and defending yourself is punishable via detention and suspension in elementary schools. The only real crime that you can actually get punished for routinely though is mouthing off to the teachers. So the lesson learned is more about top dog status than proper behavior.

      I went to a magnet school for MS where I was the small boy and I’m the non-dangerous kind of psychotic, I was beaten up, sometimes to the point of serious injury several times. The only kid that got punished was one that shoved me though a 2nd story window. he was suspended for a week for breaking the window and I was suspended with him. I’ve been literally kicked back 7 yards with a blow to the stomach, had a kid ground my face into pavement until it was bleeding all over the place. None of these kids were punished. Except one that I ended up beating unconscious to defend myself, because he really might have killed me.

      At least by the time I got to HS i learned to beat up the biggest, meanest guy on the first day although I didn’t really want to I wanted to get beaten up by black gangs a whole lot less. Sad that I had to use prison rules to defend myself, then again the schools are not unlike prisons.

      DU is a different story all together, it’s not a school it is a sadistic brainwashing facility. They pay 0 attention because to them it doesn’t matter. I actually thwarted a school shooting with theft (stole his guns, ammo, and pretty much anything else he owned that I could hawk or resell, made backup copies of his detailed attack plan [from his comp] to followup blackmail him with and made him drop out) the guy was set to be armed to the teeth, he probably would have killed an entire dormitory full of people. People threaten others and get them to do their entire coursework for their whole stay at the school. And kids need to be EXPELLED for alcoholism and violent behavior outside of the school, it is such an issue with violent drunks on campus that the violent drunks started their own fraternity, got too big and started another fraternity. There is a bar next to campus where there is a student fight almost every night. And of course instead of the cops ever showing up it’s campus safety, unless OH GOD FORBID they smell a little pot, then it’s expulsion time. These people really have their priorities backwards because the kid they expelled for a 1/2 gram of pot told me about the other kids plan and probably saved at least 20 lives.

      Most of Denver though is full of libs that talk out their ass with unreasonable solutions to simple problems but never fix anything. They’re more interested in behavioral modification than instilling value in people.

      • E Chancellor

        Stay cool don’t let the bastards get you down.

        • Jesse Perlstein-Mizrachi

          Lol I understand the world outside school is not prison and I can adjust my behavior as such. I haven’t been in a fight since my junior year of college when I stopped hanging out with Jewish DU kids (IDK small dick syndrome, spoiled for over attending Jewish mothers or something Jewish kids are violent as hell). Actually my life got a million times easier one I dissociated with the Jewish community, the kid who went from CCH to the insane asylum in Mexico was also in my religious school, he was a charismatic psychopath and I didn’t appreciate always having to fight one on five or worse. After the KIDS MOTHER complained about how he was behaving towards me I finally received an apology from the principal of the religious school on her non action (once he had graduated).

          I kind of wonder if the lesson was that the concept of school is flawed because it relies on an underlying assumption of behavior.

      • Lady_Penguin

        Sounds about right re: Denver. Liberal/Progressive stupid town. Symptomatic of a whole society of thought like that. They’ve made perpetrators into victims and victims into the perps. Upside down world.

        Political correctness, affirmative action and unions play a role as well. You can’t get rid of bad teachers, bad students, bad anything anymore. They’re intent on “saving” the incompetent, the sociopath, the sexual predator, the thug, and thus leaving decent, innocent people to suffer because the bad are allowed to run free, without consequences, in our society.

      • GTFOBigGovt

        Thank you for a very compelling story and TRUE evaluation of what is going in in schools and society in general.

    • GTFOBigGovt

      Like every other government entity, administrators are worthless and self serving.

  • Major Cornell

    No one seems to care about others anymore. The governments quest is not to help troubled youths, it’s to totally disarm those who abide by the rules. If anyone believes gun control will stop the madness, they’re just as crazy as those who shoot people. Criminals will be the only ones with guns. Then what?

    • Lady_Penguin

      I think you’re more right than some of the others’ offerings on the situation with school shootings.

      Society itself has so drastically changed including the level of bad behavior. What felons or mafia types or adult thugs did decades ago, now young people do with impunity. Call it a lessening of social conscience, but with that has come a decrease in the society’s – community, family, religious – constraints which normally direct the course of a culture. We’ve lost much of that with the abandonment of a moral compass, God in our lives (and I’m not trying to be preachy here, but the removal of Christian-Judaic precepts does undermine the very foundation of this country), we’ve let the state (feds) take our parenting away from us, we’ve let the welfare state destroy families and the construct of marriage, etc. All of this contributes to these issues.

      That said, there were warning signs, but the real question is, how do you deal with a kid like this? Lots of children have angst, bad days, very few of them go off the handle. So we can’t label or act without causing harm (and there is always the revenge factor – they’ll come back to the school), but neither can we ignore.

      Another point, our society and this culture is conditioned to think that everything is perfect, that there is nothing bad, or that people don’t do bad things. Historically that’s just not true. Human nature is both good and bad, and both happen. If one looks at history, or what happened in towns, cities, schools 100yrs ago, you’d be amazed at the homicide and violent crime rates. Today is nothing like the previous centuries.

  • TRFjr

    we need to be very careful what we are doing

    are we going to start labeling every socially awkward withdrawn kid as a potential mass murder because other students label him as creepy? are we going to create a Salem witch hunt atmosphere?

    we all know how the rumor mill works at school where one kid says he herd so and so say he hates so and so. then the next kid repeats the rumor and embellishes it with I herd so and so wants to kill so and so. the next thing we know that kid is dragged out of school and a criminal investigation is started what do you think the emotional damage that would cause to the already socially awkward kid

    • Michelle

      Dramatic much?

    • E Chancellor

      You mean well. You are part of the problem. You are a just do not know it yet .

    • copper

      Let’s be careful what we’re doing and the next kid will be killed. A little emotional damage….blood loss….which do you prefer Thompson?

    • GTFOBigGovt

      WE need to work on our reading skills. The kid clearly predicted his actions and NEEDED to be dragged out of school. It showed up accurately on TWITTER FFS. The very least a Liberal like you could do is be intellectually honest and call it a “cry for help” (in Liberal thought process).

      Amazing your definition of “we” omits PARENTS.Government is not a replacement for PARENTS nor a substitution for 300 MILLION citizens Constitutional rights.

      • Jesse Perlstein-Mizrachi

        AMEN to that, the process for causing psychosis starts in the womb and is a result of over exposure to the stress hormone cortisol. With single motherhood on the rise especially unwed teen motherhood, you can bet we will start seeing many of these in the future.

    • alvinjh

      No. Instead we’ll label every law abiding citizen that owns a gun for self defense a crackpot loon that needs to have their legal weapons seized while they are rounded up, set aside to be mocked by movie personalities on youtube. I mean..if i was to things are to unfold.. OR…

  • Kleverabevera

    You can not tell me that the faculty had no idea of the situation if all this discourse was taking place. If this kid was being tortured or was in fact the torturer, terrorizing other students, they should have put an end to it. They are the adults supposedly.

    • Jesse Perlstein-Mizrachi

      But they never ever will. It’s a paycheck to them. In the schools you are ok as long as there isn’t a fight, meaning you can utterly beat the shit out of people and there will be minimal consequences unless they try to hit you back, then you both get punished equally. The only thing that they even have for mental health evals available are amateurs that will blame all the kids problems on their parents.

      Although in this case when the shooting happened it sounded like they rushed the shooter which is the correct course of action, they have a ranged weapon, it needs to be aimed and it needs distance to be most effective. Better late than never I suppose.

  • dareisay

    A school in Rio Grande, Ohio had a solution to protect the kids and no extra cost to the taxpayers.

    They located a police officer’s office inside the school. The Chief said it didn’t matter where the office was actually located, this officer can still do his job and be there just in case.

    • alvinjh

      That’s brilliant..really is.

  • SFerggie

    And the losers on the left are still going to try and blame the gun.

  • irishgirl91

    You have to be careful that the quiet “weird” kids don’t get unnecessarily harassed but this kid pulled a knife. Why was nothing done? This kid should have been put on a track to have mental health eval. and some home tutoring until he was cleared to come back.

  • BeeKaaay

    Because leftwingwackos don’t want to put insane people in mental institutions.

  • Typewriterstreaming

    The national conversation on gun violence is completely blowing away the conversation we should be having on mental health policy. The denial is sickening.

  • Kyukaisakana

    This is the VERY THING that gets ignored until it is too late and something bad happens. Then it’s another nail in the coffin when it comes to the Democrats pushing off gun control on us as opposed to addressing the problem with the mental ill and criminals getting a hold of guns.

  • $23629333

    Maybe it’s time for students themselves to become pro-active. Next time students at some school detect a “time bomb” in their midst, they should formally complain to the administration at the school. If nothing is done with the “time bomb,” the students should refuse to attend school until something is done. Since school funding is – I believe – based on per-student attendance, that should prompt some action.

    Doing that is much better than being “super nice” to some loon for fear of winding up on his hit list.

  • Glitter

    Administrators do everything possible to keep nuts in the classroom. I’m not surprised this was ignored.

  • Richard G Jones III

    Go to
    and get the Nonmetallic Lansky the Knife and tape it to any place you can get
    to it fast but it won’t be seen

    In Israel they
    are taught to rush the shooter. There
    are two reasons for this.

    1 No crowed is
    formed by everybody rushing to get out a small exit.

    2 The shooter
    might get a few people but after that crowd will overwhelm him and they can do
    what with him.


  • fed-up

    This should not have happened. The school should bear the full brunt of the blame. It amazes me how everyone has an answer to the problem but always to the wrong questions. Why did the school let this fester to the point of a shooting? It makes no sense. Somehow they can stop a child from bring a toy gun to school, or punish a kid for pointing his finger and say bang; but when it comes down to a real and present danger, no one acts.

  • Garth Haycock

    I wonder how much the constant coverage of the Sandy Hook and other shootings influenced this particular student to take the shotgun to school and shoot the other student? I’m not saying that this wouldn’t have happened if there was minimal coverage, but I do think that the (what seemed like) hourly reports gave the kid the push he needed to go past his breaking point. That is, he may have decided that if the others solved their problems by using a gun, then he should do it as well.

  • Jesse Perlstein-Mizrachi

    Since you’re nearby I’m adding you as a friend on here!

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  • YeahWeWill

    It is f’g ridiculous! The pattern is younger teen to 20s and I AM convinced it is the combination of exposure to violence throughout their life with a trigger = mass murder. I would say parents need to be aware but that age group is also f’d up . Lord help us!

  • PennyRobinsonFanClub

    Ran across this elsewhere:

    Jeff Weise, age 16, had been prescribed 60 mg/day of Prozac (three times the average starting dose for adults!) when he shot his grandfather, his grandfather’s girlfriend and many fellow students at Red Lake, Minnesota. He then shot himself. 10 dead, 12 wounded.

    Cory Baadsgaard, age 16, Wahluke (Washington state) High School, was on Paxil (which caused him to have hallucinations) when he took a rifle to his high school and held 23 classmates hostage. He has no memory of the event.

    Chris Fetters, age 13, killed his favorite aunt while taking Prozac.

    Christopher Pittman, age 12, murdered both his grandparents while taking Zoloft.

    Mathew Miller, age 13, hung himself in his bedroom closet after taking Zoloft for 6 days.

    Kip Kinkel, age 15, (on Prozac and Ritalin) shot his parents while they slept then went to school and opened fire killing 2 classmates and injuring 22 shortly after beginning Prozac treatment.

    Luke Woodham, age 16 (Prozac) killed his mother and then killed two students, wounding six others.

    A boy in Pocatello, ID (Zoloft) in 1998 had a Zoloft-induced seizure that caused an armed stand off at his school.


    That’s maybe a quarter of the list.

  • $129448

    God, these teenagers are so dumb