It didn’t take long after the initial shock wore off for people to wonder whom to blame for the Sandy Hook Elementary massacre. We had a name, and then a photo of the shooter, but his death by his own weapon, coupled with a lack of information and a clear motive, left many wanting another target for their anger: guns, mental illness, an absence of God, violent movies or maybe video games. Many soon settled on the NRA as a suitable substitute.

In this morning’s presser, NRA chief Wayne LaPierre wasn’t willing to accept that role, deflecting blame on the media and entertainment industry. Obama advisor David Axelrod took an early swipe at video games and their role in our culture, and gamers made it clear they wouldn’t be associated with gun violence. LaPierre’s statement met with a similar response.

LaPierre called out a handful of violent games, from mainstream hits like “Grand Theft Auto” to the obscure Flash game “Kindergarten Killer.”

Both NRA opponents and supporters were unconvinced by the supposed link between video game violence and school shootings.

Not everyone was so quick to dismiss a connection between games and violence in American culture.

For now, though, the NRA seems to have few allies in its crusade against violent entertainment, and this morning’s presser might have cost it the support of those who enjoy shooting firearms, even if they’re virtual ones.

  • Peyton

    Just based on the responses of people who get pissed when people talk about what causes the violence problem, it’s obvious that we have a culture problem in the U.S. TV, movies, and games are part of the problem.

    • ssj429


    • Fatalerror94

      Yes, a culture problem, but violent TV, movies, and video games are, for the most part, a symptom of the problem, not part of it.

      We allow these things because, quite simply, they are a form of communication, and that Right, just like the Right to keep and bear arms is a protected natural right.

      Entertainment in general is the way it is today, largely because Conservatives all but surrendered the culture to the radicals starting in the sixties. Instead they tried to win by politics alone, but that, like everything else, is a reflection of the culture.

      Win the culture and you win the war.

    • David Mick

      I just love it when people say they believe in freedom but really don’t, Many of these violent video games as you call them are very patriotic in showing of American History and Military troops like Medal of Honor.

  • Red Fred

    It’s not the mentally stable that are affected by games, movies and yes, guns.

    • ssj429

      Very true. It’s the mentally unstable, and it seems like our messed up society and media is creating more unstable people.

      • GaryTheBrave

        It’s fattening fooods I tell ya . . . and global warming , , , and BOOOOSH!! /sarc

    • David Mick

      so is Obama Mentally Stable?

  • American Infidels

    Typical .. They are the problem…

  • Purple State

    La Pierre would have a little more credibility in his criticism of violent video games if he also accepted that our current laws give mentally ill people access to assault weapons. This is a complicated problem and it’s simply not possible for it to be solved by any one solution. We need reasonable gun control AND better mental health care AND a less violent culture AND less glorification of violence in the media AND so on. That’s why his presser was such a flop.

    • Jack Deth

      Yeah. Right, Purple.

      Reminds me of the old saw:

      “If you ain’t catching flak. You ain’t over the target!”

    • Tabitha Bliss

      The guy was denied a gun when he tried to obtain one himself. The laws did all laws can do. The mother should have kept her weapons in a secure place. You cannot legislate evil.

      • Purple State

        Exactly. That’s why I advocated for a holistic approach. If all of those other policies (better mental health, less violent culture, etc.) were in place (and I’d include better firearms ownership education among them) perhaps something could be done. As I said above, no SINGLE solution will help.

        • David Mick

          so you want more government?

      • David Mick

        would you say that about Banning Video Games as well, because I would 100% agree with you.

    • Jillane Kent

      Show me the law that he used to obtain a firearm. Please provide the link for, as Tabitha has already stated, every report indicates that he was unable to purchase one. We do not yet know what security measures the mother used, if any, but interviews with those who frequented her home have stated that they did not detect the presence of firearms.

      • Purple State

        There’s no link. We’re not talking here of only one incident. Google “mass shootings in the U.S.” if you need some background.

    • GTFOBigGovt

      Current law didn’t “give a mentally ill person access to assault weapons” to the killer. His mother did. Just like she allegedly left him isolated in the basement for hours playing video games. Just like she was allegedly going to have an involuntary conservatorship petitioned and never got around to it. And until we hear from the father, we can assume she never enlisted him for help either. Since he’s claiming shocked face..

      Media [bias] would have aLOT more credibility if they admitted they blamed Sarah Palin having cross hairs on a map on the Giffords shooting if you want to make a case against society not admitting the problem is “complicated”.

      • TexSizzle

        He did not use “assault weapons”; he used pistols.

    • TugboatPhil

      There are people who call for the names and addresses of all Concealed Carry holders to be published, but no one gets to know who is mentally ill to the point of being a threat.

    • Penmar

      Gun control isn’t going to stop violence…1) Criminals don’t care about the law…2) They will just find another way, examples, the gunman in the Aurora case had 12 or 14 handmade grenades, had he used them instead of a gun, it is likely many more people would have been injured or killed. In Australia, man sets fire to a church after they banned guns, Tim McVeigh used fertilizer, 9/11 terrorists used planes, in china man goes into a school kills 20 and wounds 50 with a knife.
      Here is what happens to law abiding citizens when they ban guns:

      • Purple State

        I don’t think anyone has ever stated that gun control will end all violence.

        But speaking of 9/11, after those terrorists used those planes to kill people, we created a comprehensive set of security policies that affect ALL passengers. And you feel safer now, don’t you? And no one has flown a plane into a building since…

        • Penmar

          Don’t fly at all, ever. But my point is they didn’t ban planes, did they?

          • Purple State

            No, they didn’t. Likewise, gun control doesn’t ban guns. It puts policies in place that “control” who owns them, and what kinds.

          • Penmar

            It doesn’t ban all guns, but to say it doesn’t ban guns is incorrect.

          • GaryTheBrave

            What would you say are reasonable controls?
            Ban possession from convicted felons? Already Federal law.
            Ban possession from convicted drug users/dealers? Already Federal law.
            Ban possession from those adjudicated to be criminally insane? Already Federal law.
            Add additional prison time for possessing a gun while committing a crime? Many states already have this for felonies and/or misdemeanors.
            ALL OF THE ABOVE are supported by the NRA.

        • v1cious

          I don’t think you could have picked a worse analogy if you tried? Do you know how many years it took to plan 9/11? It didn’t just happen out of nowhere.

          • Purple State

            What does the planning of it have to do with our country’s comprehensive regulations for flying in response to it — and the subsequent protection those regulations have provided?

        • TexSizzle

          What about the man who flew the Piper into the IRS building in 2010?

          • Purple State

            That wasn’t a commercial flight with passengers, as we were discussing above. That was a solo flight.

          • TexSizzle

            You did not say airliners (commercial); you said airplanes (non-specific). It *was* an airplane, so your statement was incorrect. If someone on our side made that statement, you would call him/her a liar.

  • Jack Deth


    Isn’t it grand when some disinfectant sunlight is pointed in the right direction?

    What sort of sick fuck plays “Kindergarten Killer”? Someone must. It’s been around for ten years.

  • Lord Foggybottom

    Arianna Huffington: “NRA logic: kids play too many video games with guns in them. We need more guns in every school.”

    Yes, but LaPierrie didn’t mean in the hands of gamers, you dim-witted harpy.

  • GaryTheBrave

    Blaming the NRA is just like blaming the entertainment industry. Neither is responsible, but I think LaPierre was clumsily trying to point that out. I’ve tweeted that the Brady Campaign is responsible. I know they’re not, but as an organization that promotes gun-free zones they can also be blamed for making schools defenseless.

    I do agree with the NRA that armed guards be posted in the schools. Give them arresting powers if they are not sworn LEO’s (deputize them). For those schools that do not want potentially lethal weapons on campus the guards can be issued taser guns or pepper spray. One drawback with those is you must get relatively close to the suspect for effectiveness.

    I think we forget the Second Amendment states the people have a right to arms. In the 18th century arms were swords, knives, and guns. Those and others are now considered arms so one can still exercise their rights under the 2A without having a single gun.

    • Penmar

      Personally, I wouldn’t want to go up against someone carrying 3 or 4 pistols or a rifle with a sword or a knife.

      • GaryTheBrave

        “Don’t bring a gun to a knife fight.”

        • Penmar

          Why not?

          • Jack Deth

            Because when you need help in seconds. The police are only minutes away.

          • Penmar

            Well, I find this whole conversation a bit confusing, to me it appears you are saying I should not have a gun. I should not bring a gun to defend myself from a knife. And I should not carry a gun to protect myself from a shooter, whom I could dispose of in seconds because the police are only minutes away and in the meantime I end up dead. Sarcasm doesn’t play well online without a /sarc behind it.

          • Jack Deth

            There was nothing sarcastic in my statement, Penmar.

          • Penmar

            In that case I fail to understand your reasoning. That I should not be permitted to defend myself with a gun just because some maniac breaks into my house or confronts me on the street with a knife. Being a woman, I am more likely to survive an attack armed with my gun than I would be defending myself with a knife against someone 3 times my size, which happens to be itty bitty size in my case.

          • CanofSand

            The problem here is that Penmar is reacting to Gary’s comment as it is written, which is the logical way to do so, while Jack appears to think Penmar was replying to TocksNedlog. Either that, or Jack thinks Gary’s comment means “Don’t bring a knife to a gun fight”, which it obviously doesn’t.

          • Penmar

            Yes, CanofSand, I was replying to Gary’s comment of don’t bring a gun to a knife fight when I said ‘Why not’. After he replied to my “Personally, I wouldn’t want to go up against someone carrying 3 or 4 pistols or a rifle with a sword or a knife.” statement. And Jack then chimed in and said the police were minutes away, to which I told him I would have been dead in those few minutes. I think Jack thought I was replying to Tocks reply. And then Charles replied to my statement, but I’m not sure why or which one since I clearly said last that I’d stand a better change of being alive if I have a gun while some guy twice my size attacks me, unless he thinks I should take my chances during that 20 min. I can promise you, if someone 6 ft tall weighing 250-300 lbs comes at me, I won’t have 20 minutes or even 2 minutes, I am barely 5 foot tall and less than half the size in weight of the 250 lb man.

          • Charles Hammond Jr

            It took 20 minutes for the police to arrive at the scene. 20 minutes.

        • TocksNedlog

          And when it comes to school shootings, don’t bring “call 911 and hope they arrive in 5 seconds” to a gunfight.

    • Hiraghm

      We don’t need armed guards in our schools! When I was in gradeschool back in the 60s, we had social unrest, easy access to assault weapons and other destructive devices, virtually no “security” at our schools… and virtually no massacres at them, either.

      The people have changed, if anything has. If we need armed guards at our schools… thank the (censored) social engineers who couldn’t leave a country that worked well enough alone!

  • grais

    Maybe it’s not (partly) the video games, per se, but the loners and social misfits who spend all their time Playing the video games and never interacting with people or trying to be part of the real world.The most common thread in these mass killings seems to be the truly antisocial odd ducks who cannot or will not participate in a real life that includes other human beings.

    • americandavey

      You are so wrong in many ways. Some how we want to be “Blame something Society” then admit People are messed up and they are responsible for their own actions. And SOME HOW we are deciding being a loner or people that somehow doesn’t go outside is social misfits?

      People are responsible for their own actions. END OF STORY!

      • grais

        Since you seem not to have comprehended my post, let me help you out:
        I DID blame the shooters.

      • Penmar

        Ultimately, but I think the evolving of how children are living their growing up years has a lot to do with it also. Case in point, a commercial for some car or other has a young lady saying she got her parents to join facebook and they have 14 friends or some low number and she says I have 600 and something friends, now that’s living. How many of those people does she really know and interact with face to face on a regular basis? Another toyota commercial does something similar with 4000 plus friends I can’t stop friending kind of thing. We used to play til dark, with real people, interacting with them, out and about the neighborhoods, we didn’t have to worry overly much about being snatched. We went trick or treating by ourselves, to the movies in town, etc. No sane parent would allow their children that lifestyle today. Everything children learn growing up in today’s world is electronic, it’s how they see the world. Also parenting has changed since those days, I used to go out and make mud pies with my kids, but they still weren’t allowed the same freedom I experienced as a kid because the times they were a changing. Add to that the number of drugs children take now as opposed to then, horrible drugs with major side effects is it any wonder the world has come to what we see now?

        • grais

          This is pretty much what I’m talking about. Most kids will grow up to be fine, peaceful, responsible adults, albeit with formative years that were different from ours. (That’s the way it’s been with every generation.) But a very few will not. How on earth can anyone know which are which?

    • ssj429

      Very true. I think that “gamers” are very odd. They exclude themselves from the world and engulf themselves in bizarre games. Many of them are horrendously violent. It’s hilarious how video games addicts are so offended by what the NRA said.

      • Paul_Mcgrath

        Look at the tweets again, and who they are from, and what they object to in what the NRA said. I would hardly call (any of) them offended video game addicts.

    • Hiraghm

      You mean the “latch-key kids” and other children who aren’t being raised by their parents? The increase in single or two-child families (most notably by the racial/ethnic demographic most associated with these types of attacks)?
      Spending all their time playing video games is a symptom, not a cause. And many loners and misfits play multiplayer games in order *to* socialize, where they otherwise cannot in the real world.

      • grais

        I’m sure it’s a symptom, not any cause of anything with the vast majority. But all it took was one misfit to kill 20 kids in Sandy Hook. And I’m not suggesting we even know (or ever likely will) what part games may have played in his deranged crime.

  • Rafael Eduardo Peña-Rios Riber

    i only blame 2 things and those are crapy parenting and not helping psycological problems.
    what my mom said the first day i got my PS2: that is not reality, whatever you do in that console cant be done in real life. If you as much as try, you can end up in jail or dead. Got that? good! now what is this GTA i hear so much about?

  • annaeliz

    Media is NOT the issue… PARENTING is the issue, guys! This is the “it takes a village” mentality here — people expecting everyone else and everything to raise their kids instead of them. Ridiculous of the NRA to point the blame here at all. There is a rating system on the boxes of these games, movies and even TV shows. Parents need to be more involved before we can actually conclude these games influence kids.

    • Guest

      About as ridiculous as libs blaming the NRA for Sandy Hooks. Those games are uber violent and kids have no business playing them. Listen to the howls from the left when expected to take any sort of responsibility themselves. First rule in looney lib logic is BLAME, BLAME, BLAME anyone but them.

      • David Mick

        isn’t that what the NRA did? I am sorry but I believe in the Second Amendment right but I also believe in the First. To ban games is the same to ban Guns, leftwingers want to ban both in the end. Parents need to start parenting again. All the NRA did was Blame, Blame, Blame. The NRA also supports Dems many times these are the same people that would ban guns in a second.

    • Hiraghm

      No, we CAN conclude that bad video game content affects young people. The blame still lies with parents. That doesn’t mean the video game content of bad video games isn’t bad.

      • RblDiver

        It is a question of proximate cause. I play the so-called “violent video games” all the time, but I have yet to go on a killing rampage. My parents instilled me with moral values and a good sense of right and wrong.

        One can argue that the games have an impact, yes. However, that would not be the root of the problem. As annaeliz correctly stated, parenting is the issue. Parents hear their kids say they want money for a game, and give it to them without looking at the ratings/content/etc. Then they whine “This game is bad, how dare they make it?” If they’d taken the time to be involved, they’d know exactly what was going on!

        You can claim anything affects kids, be it games, movies, bullies, even the food they eat I’m sure! But no matter what you blame, morality and upbringing are the key aspect in creating upstanding citizens. I didn’t like my parents’ views on games, but I am glad that they took the time to be involved in my life.

  • The7Sticks

    I’d never even heard of “Kindergarten Killer” until LaPierre pointed it out today. If i didn’t know any better, I would have thought that the first thing his research team did was enter the search terms “video game”, “six-year-olds” and “kill” into a search engine and see if it spat out any tangible results.

    • Jack Deth

      Excellent point!

      Why didn’t the many liberal talking heads in media and in newspapers do the same thing?

      Oh, yeah. That sort of deductive reasoning must not fit the anti-gun, liberal template.

      • David Mick

        Didn’t a “Liberal” Governor blame video games and guns?

    • Jillane Kent

      I haven’t heard of it before today either. However, we’re but two people in a very populous country and therefore are hardly a statistical blip. Ignoring that such things exist or marginalizing them doesn’t mean they are any less heinous or real.

  • Blake Waymire

    I find liberal objections hard to believe. Aren’t they the ones who suggested a map made by Sarah Palin caused the shooting in AZ? So media causes violence when you can blame the other side, but not your own?

    That said, I think the video games -> violence thing is backwards. I’ve said before that many games, the ones I tend to play in particular, actually promote a more societally healthy form of violence against those who are direct threats to a people or place and cannot be reasoned with (Tales of Symphonia, one of my favorites, actually has the final boss battle occurring while the protagonists are trying to reason with the main antagonist). Yes, I say this is good, because threats, whether direct or indirect, that cannot be eliminated non-violently must be eliminated violently, as distasteful as that may be to say. Shorter: a mugger who can’t be talked down should be disabled or killed.

    The video games that don’t offer up definite or healthy reasons for violence are not the cause, though. They are, if anything, a mere symptom. American inner cities are plagued by gangs of roaming children who resort to violence when they want something, and the majority of violence with firearms is in those same inner cities. What could be missing there? The lack of a fatherly influence (caused partially by liberal policies toward single mothers) and a culture of irresponsibility (again, liberal policies at least partially) are my best guesses, and together they make the boys most vulnerable to the belief that violence is an appropriate response to minor problems.

    • Maxwell

      First of all, Tales Of series = one of the best video game series out there.

      Secondly, I agree with everything you said, but I would like to add that people blame video games, and other forms of media, because it’s the easy thing to do. No one wants to look at the real issues that lead to violence, which would be bad parenting and mental health issues, because it requires too much work.

      • Hiraghm

        Bad parenting leads to the success and popularity of bad video games. If left to choose for themselves, kids will live on a diet of cookies and ice cream. If left to choose for themselves, they’ll play a “diet” of sensationalist, titillating video games.

      • Blake Waymire

        It’s not really as much “too much work” as it is “we don’t want to admit we were wrong.”

      • David Mick

        The real issue is leftwing ideologies those are the root of evil, I know many people who have Mental Health issues and none of them are violent, please don’t lead and aid to anther Hitler killing millions of people.

    • v1cious

      Something funny about a Conservative liking Tales of Symphonia, since it mocks religion left and right.

  • ssj429

    Research has shown the correlation between violent video games and violence. Social psychologists have been trying to explain this to people for years! It’s a little disgusting how so many people are saying that it’s time we start listening to our mental health therapists and researchers. Yet, when the research goes against their beliefs, they are against it. Why do we even need violent video games?

    • Jillane Kent

      Who are the collective ‘we’ to ban a product because of weak statistical correlations?

    • GaryTheBrave

      Can you link that research, please? I’d like to get it out in the public sphere.

      I notice that drivers are more aggressive after a NASCAR race ends and its like that for about 24 hours. Look what kind of views you get when you watch.

      I do think that our entertainment industry can overstimulate the emotions. The directors and other creative people, however, are immersed in it every day so they get desensitized. When they create something that gives them a fractional bit of stimulation they release it gto the public. What they may not realize is that slight feeling they felt is amplified manifold in a regular viewer.

      • TugboatPhil

        Gary, I remember seeing Smokey & the Bandit at a theater when it first came out. I’d say 80% of the people leaving the parking lot laid a patch of rubber on the way out.

        Not me of course, I was obeying all traffic laws….(just in case the statute of limitations hasn’t run out)

        • Penmar

          Same thing happened after an Indy 500 race I attended. However, the police being familiar with such behavior made quite a lot of money that day for the state/city.

      • Penmar

        Personally, I don’t think it’s a cut and dry as either of you would like it to be in terms of does violence in Movies/TV/Video games lead to more violence, in addition I think this can be applied to the gun blame thing also. “It is likely that aggressive or hostile youths may be drawn to violent
        games.(I would add my two cents they are also drawn to guns for the same reasons) There is limited but suggestive evidence that persons with trait
        anger or aggression may be affected differently by violent game.”

      • Hiraghm

        1976. I was pre-teen. Family took me to see “Rocky”. While they were outside the theater discussing the movie, I took off running for home, in the middle of the night, in emulation of Rocky’s run through Philadelphia. I ran through parts of town that had scared me to go into during the day, because my hero Rocky woulda, by gum.

        Years later, I played video games. One called “Freespace” affected my emotions heavily. I played a section of the game over and over for days, trying to find a way to save my mothership, and was crushed when I couldn’t. The game (or its sequel, I forget now) ends with your character sacrificing himself to save the known universe from a rapacious evil invader bent on destroying everything.

        Diablo II. I played a necromancer character. Advised by angels, eventually my character descended into hell to battle the devil himself. I felt, by that point, like the right hand of God come to smite the wicked. The npcs I was fighting *were* evil, and *were* ugly and *did* ugly things.

        I’ve had guns at various points in my life, and I’ve never even considered committing a massacre, in spite of having been “affected” by movies and video games.

        Why? IMO, because I had a thorough grounding in right and wrong, in manhood, as a small child. I was provided with examples in the stories I was allowed to read and the tv/movies I was allowed to watch of good and evil and which side was better to be on.

        Vampires were evil, bloodsucking minions of Satan, not hip, sexy victims of “normal” people, for example.

    • Hiraghm


      Americans have been a “violent” people since our inception as a nation.

      But, until recently, the vast, vast majority of us had a strong, (Judeo-Christian) set of morals and ethics. Now, many, if not the majority, have warped ethics and few or no morals. “If it feels good, do it!” has won the day.

  • Jay McHue

    Marginally off-topic… Read about this previous mass shooting and marvel at the eerie similarities:

    • Penmar

      I’d heard of that one. In Ok, AZ and NC in the past month or so, 3 teens saved themselves and/or their siblings from injury or death by shooting intruders who broke into their homes while their parents were away. The one OK killed hers, I believe and yes it was a she in that instance. One wonders how many times a day things like that occur, because it is rare that the MSM mentions anything about guns saving lives. Like the shooting in Clackamas, Or, saw the interview with the CC holder who pulled his weapon on the shooter after he’d shot 2 ppl. The shooter then shot himself. Though the CC holder had decided not to attempt to fire at the shooter for fear of injuring innocent bystanders. The shooter would not have known that, though.

      • GaryTheBrave

        Dr. John Lott has done such studies. His research shows that for every assailant who uses a gun in the commission of a crime there are five times when potential victims stopped assailants with their own guns.

  • almarquardt

    As a writer, I would have phrased the part about games and the media differently, because I don’t think the overall intent was to blame violence solely on them. I think he was trying to point out that the entertainment industry does glorify violence, and how easy it is to access. Once we are aware as parents we can better guard our children against it.

    I believe he was also trying to say that the NRA cannot be responsible for this “culture of death,” because not once have they called for the death of innocents. The media and much in the entertainment industry, on the other hand, glorifies death and violence at nearly every turn. It may not turn is all into crazed murderers, but it does effect us.

    As a small example, my hubby played Grand Theft Auto for a while. I was relieved when he stopped, because his driving turned more aggressive than needed. He wasn’t consciously aware of it until I pointed it out.

    • AMSilver

      We always are capable and responsible for our own choices – but to go along with what you are saying, if media has no effect on us, then every dollar companies spend advertising is a total waste. Media can change our language by normalizing or villifying certain words, by introducing new catch phrases, by introducing new topics of discussion. It gives us new ideas of what is normal for society (look at the polls that show young people think 25% of the population is gay when the actual numbers are about 1/10th that amount – they get their perceptions from the media). It influences how we dress, how we decorate our homes, and also what we view as wrong and right.
      A small example on my part: I started watching Mad Men with my husband in the evenings on Netflix. After a dozen episodes, I noticed that I was annoyed by things my husband did that had never annoyed me before. I was more resentful of time he spent on himself and felt more entitled to hand off tasks that were my responsibility. I realized that watching a show with such scum as the main characters (and where every male character was scum) was influencing my mood. I was annoyed at the characters, not my husband, but it still came out as hostility toward him. Needless to say, we stopped watching that show.

  • Guest

    I knew the NRA would try and weasel it’s way out of this one. Video games lol

    • Jack Deth

      Weasel out, how?

      The NRA had nothing to do with the Connecticut massacre.

      The Clinton Assault Weapons ban, which was allowed to sunset would not have stopped anything.

      There were no state of federal laws broken in the purchase or storage of the weapons.

      The only crimes committed were during the course of deranged individual seeking vengeance for who knows what?

    • Penmar

      The shooter used hand guns to kill the victims, so what good is banning so called assault weapons going to do to prevent someone using a hand gun?

      • GaryTheBrave

        It is also against Federal law for a person under 21 to possess a handgun. The murderer was 20.

        • Penmar

          Which is exactly why banning them won’t do a dang bit of good, now will it? The criminals will still have them or have access to them. It’s not the guns, it’s the people that use the guns. And insane people will use a gun or whatever else they want to do their damage. Case in point, the Aurora shooter had handmade hand grenades with him also. It is not going to fix the problem!!! I’ve posted this link before, but I will post it again. When you ban guns you get this kind of chaos for law abiding people:

    • GTFOBigGovt

      But Liberals and the media were perfectly right in blaming the Giffords shooting on Sarah Palin’s electoral map showing cross hairs. Electoral maps lol.

      Big Bird 24 hours a day is necessary, important and “educational” but video games simulating shooting people 24 hours a day isn’t harmful. lol.

      I knew Liberals and the media would try and weasel it’s way out of this one. Parental responsibility lol.

      • lainer51

        good post

    • TocksNedlog

      Because the NRA is responsible for What?

  • Paul_Mcgrath

    I wish the NRA would have just stayed quiet, darn it! Their silence was working. Many prominent conservatives where publicly defending the 2nd Amendment just fine.

    Even I was seriously considering becoming a NRA member, didn’t think I’d ever see that day.

    But, blaming the 1st Amendment for the Sandy Hook shooting is just as wrong as blaming the 2nd.

    Now I’m glad I held off becoming a NRA member.

    • Maxwell

      Yeah I was on the NRA’s side until they started blaming video games…. but I really don’t care what happens to the NRA, although I still support gun rights.

      • CanofSand

        If you support gun rights, you SHOULD care about what happens to the NRA. They’re the best defender of the 2nd Amendment we’ve got at the moment, with no one else even coming close. But yes, they should never have brought up entertainment – there’s NOTHING to be gained from that, it alienates people, and it’s not a scientifically supported view.

        Seems to me that the majority of conservatives – real conservatives who know their stuff, like people running sites like Twitchy, Hot Air, etc. – have a far better understanding and a far better philosophy than the guys in charge of the big-name non-Internet organizations (NRA, the RNC, etc. etc.). We’re surely the biggest and most active faction of conservatives. Why the heck aren’t WE in charge?

        • David Mick

          not really they are one of the worst “defenders” They are just like the left Blame Something else

    • David Mick

      finally someone making some sense

  • orringtonmom (D)

    i’m sorry, but the NRA isn’t totally wrong. maybe if schools included shooting in the PE curriculum, kids who are game obsessed can at least get a perspective of what happens when you shoot a gun. i know that there are a lot of problems with incorporating shooting. but if we are going to talk about arming teachers, why not? i remember playing a driving video game for about 4 hours straight and then getting into my car… the feeling was surreal. i just had the urge to take turns and corners like you do in the games. imagine the blur kids who play these games for 8-10 hours straight every day must feel? i don’t even pretend i have the answers, but it seems to me that hollywood is quick to blame gun owners to deflect their own role in glorifying violence, be in movies, video games, song lyrics or whatever. everyone wants answers but as soon as a suggestion is put out there people freak out. lets all calm the hell down…

    • GaryTheBrave

      I guess back in the 40’s and 50’s (I’m not that old) they did have shooting sports in schools.

      I remember reading a report in the American Rifleman (NRA;s main magazine) that compared firearms proficiency between the soldiers of WWII vs, the soldiers of Viet Nam. It was around 1977 and it was a DOD report. They used shots fired per confirmed enemy kills. In WWII it was 4:1. In Nam it was 11:1. They attribute the inefficiency of the Nam soldier to two things: 1) jungle vs. relatively open terrain; 2) unfamiliarity with firearms by most draftees.

      • Hiraghm

        reminds me of a joke my father (a WWII vet) told me:
        They were interviewing this captured Japanese soldier, and asking him who the best jungle fighters were, after the Japanese. He said, “The Australians”. The reporter pressed him, not happy with his answer, and the soldier said, “The English”.
        Finally, exasperated, the reporter flat-out asked, “What about the Americans?”

        “Americans? I don’t know. They never fought in the jungle. They blew it away and fought in the craters.”

    • $7610427

      Hunting safety was part of my Phys Ed class in 1978, I was in the 7th grade. Then in my senior year…we had a great health class that covered topics such as alcoholism, sex ed, drugs, personal nutrition, driving safety, gun safety, etc. The whole class went to the range and police officers taught us 17 and 18 year olds how to handle and fire handguns. BTW…none of us have ever shot anyone…

    • Hiraghm

      YES! We have driver’s ed classes in high school, for the alleged “privilege” of driving (it’s a right, not a privilege), yet we don’t have mandatory gun safety classes for an absolute, protected right of every citizen. It’s nuts.

  • Bizness22

    Blaming video games and the media is just another means of deflecting and refusing to hold individuals responsible for their actions. If you don’t want your kids to play these games or if you as a parent think they are otherwise unsuitable for a child with psychological or mental issues, you need to put on your adult pants and make an intelligent decision, not slack off and then point fingers. Video games carry ratings just like movies, and stores regularly card people purchasing “M” (mature) rated titles.

    It’s really unfortunate the NRA didn’t just stop at “guns are okay for protecting the president but apparently not your kids” because that was a brilliant angle to take. I expected better from them…this “blame everyone and everything but the person/people responsible” is ridiculous.

  • GTFOBigGovt

    My kid was at an impressionable age in the 90’s when grunge and punk loser music was popular. Suicide, isolation, “I’m so depressed” blah blah blah. You better believe he was prohibited from hearing and buying that crap. He was playing baseball, soccer, hockey and going to karate. Video games were limited to Frogger (lol) and Spy Hunter type driving games which I PLAYED too to check them out (reluctantly) …on a very limited basis.

    You can’t make a case that throwing your kid in front of the TV babysitter all day even watching Big Bird (paid for by ME) is “educational”, therefore super important (actor from Roots whatever his name is)…when you want to win an election then deny that negative screen time isn’t equally “bad”.

    In 7th grade a kid brought a bong on the school bus and the driver did nothing and there were no repercussions.

    You better believe I would have found a way to home school him if I knew there was such a thing and if I could have had his friends doing the same in a group. Out of 12 years of government education, I can think of about 2 school teachers that did anything positive and many more that were negative.

    Such as 3rd grade teacher not even knowing his name by January and blaming some other kid’s behavior on mine on the report card, the schools’ refusal to execute an IEP without me hiring a lawyer and icing on the cake: a homeroom teacher stealing his baseball bag with $800.00 of equipment in it when he left the bag in the closet because it didn’t fit in any lockers and they didn’t assign him a storage spot. It took me 8 months to get to the bottom of it and only when I threatened to file a police report did the bag magically return and another teacher turned in the thief teacher, who had no repercussions.

    The media will NEVER call for personal responsibility or even entertain the possiblity. They won’t even call for Obama having any responsibility for anything FFS.

  • HARP2

    Flashback: Clinton Requests $60 Million to Put Cops in Schools

  • salvagesalvage

    School yard shot up by copy of Grand Theft Auto, dozens of children dead! – said no headline ever.

    • GaryTheBrave

      “salvagesalvage makes a good point,” said no one ever either.

  • Omega Kin

    This is what happens when people don’t blame the person responsible for the shooting, the shooter. The salem witch trials commences.

  • Annieg

    There are lots of gun owners who don’t go shoot up schools, malls, and other “shock value” targets either…”free will values” bring differing perspectives.

  • Omega Kin

    This what happens when liberals keep blaming a thing & not the person, fingers point every but the shooter.

  • BeeKaaay

    So, violent video games teach kids that shooting people is good.

    And abortion ALSO teaches that ripping apart children limb from limb is good and that bloodthirst is good?


    Hmmm….because leftwingwackos are bloodthirsty, they have no explanation on why they prefer children to be ripped apart limb from limb instead of the “less painful” (according to the CT Coroner) way of being shot by a gun.

  • TocksNedlog

    I blame football, and boxing, and pro wrestling.
    And John Wayne.

  • San Diego County Citizen

    The rational arguments of the NRA fell on the deaf ears and corrupted minds of the progressive-statists and the ignorant sheep who follow them.
    God save the Republic.

    • David Mick

      No the progressive-statists would agree with the NRA on Video Games.

  • Hiraghm

    Guns don’t affect your thinking process; video games do. What purpose of “educational titles” over the years otherwise?

    It’s not the violence in video games… IT’S THE CONTEXT OF THE VIOLENCE.
    A soldier defending freedom and the American Way is “good” violence”. A street thug running over pedestrians, shooting innocent bystanders, dealing drugs, screwing prostitutes, etc etc and *benefiting* from these behaviors is “bad” violence.

    Young people have not yet had enough life experience to harden their moral code, so they are definitely open to what they see on tv and movies, read in books (comic or otherwise) and play on video games.

    The question on my mind is, why are daddy and mommy buying these games, or providing the money to buy these games, without supervising the kids? Same with vile rap music and amoral (or immoral) movies and television programs.

    You can’t get a game on a console without getting an ESRB rating for it. It can’t be made any simpler for parents to… PARENT.

  • torpedoman2002

    Ok I wish the NRA would not have brought up violent games. It doesn’t matter if they were a contributing factor or not the NRA’s job is to defend the 2nd amendment not shift blame. That implies they might be at fault. But not joining the NRA because they went there. Let’s think about that for a minute. If you are not happy with their speech just send them a scathing letter telling them their job isn’t to seek bans other rights, but to not join because of this remark tells me you never intended to join and were looking for a good excuse not to. We are going to need a lot of help with not only the NRA but other 2nd amendment groups out there. I intend to join every group I can that will fight for our right to own a gun. Another thing this isn’t the first time the left tried to take away our guns. Why don’t you look at all the victories the NRA accomplished before you decide to throw them overboard chained to a cement block.

    • David Mick

      The left also tries to ban video games look the California law that was repealed by the supreme court. The NRA showed that they only stand for one amendment, which if they supported freedom then they need to stand for all.

  • Hiraghm

    QUICK! What is the solution for “bad” speech? Banning it?
    QUICK! What is the solutino for “bad” video games? Banning them?

    The solution for both is good, counter speech and video games.
    You want a better class of video game… promote it.

    • vino veritas

      There are plenty of excellent & epic games out there with literature behind it that the talentless hacks in hollywood can only ineptly plagiarize to horrible results. Its the arrogant ignorance of people like Wayne LaPierre that is the problem here. This fool should have schooled himself on the subject before he opined to make an ass of himself and, in the process, obscure any sense or clarity he had in own message. Question to ask here is will he and others like him humble themselves, forget about scoring the political & PR points with the media (who will never give them credit for anything) and actually educate themselves so they can make a real difference instead of chasing entire sub-cultures away from their cause? I highly doubt it. That is the problem with many republicans these days.

  • Joe W.

    Bringing kids into an immoral, dysfunctional, single parent households….raising them by proxy through day care….refusing to teach them about God and morality…allowing them access to violent movies, games, language as well as violence in the home….refusing to properly discipline and set boundaries for them, and indulging them in every material goody that they desire has absolutely nothing to do with this problem, I guess. Liberals are blind, ignorant, and self indulgent cretins, who attempt to foist their brand of “progressive” culture on the rest of us. THIS is the cause of events such as the Sandy Hook shootings. As the Bible says, “Ye reap as Ye sow”……And it will only get worse, regardless of what we try to control or ban.

  • Rulz

    Fellow gamers:

    Where was all of this when the mainstream media brought up violence in video games?

    • Penmar

      They went ballistic when Axelrod brought it up earlier also.

    • vino veritas

      As a fellow gamer, I was contesting it as much as I am now. So were a lot of us, gamers and non-gamers alike. The MSM preys on ignorance and unfortunately there is unbelievably STILL so much widespread ignorance on a subculture that produces a multi-billion dollar a year industry in this country alone. So many people (conservatives especially because I expect much more from them) need to wake up, get informed before they opine about this subject and grow up already.

  • Danny Wheeler

    Oy! The problem is not the gun, nor the game… it’s within a person’s soul.

  • vino veritas

    What a bunch of stupid, stupid, stupid fools. NRA chief idiot Wayne LaPierre or whoever be damned! WHAT IN THE HELL is wrong with these so-called ‘conservatives’ these days throwing everyone around them, friend or foe, under the bus?? Every time the lefty media has an opportunity to dishonestly frame conservatives for any perceived sin that is when too many self-described freedom loving conservative friendly fools are ready to jump on the blame bandwagon and start running over ANYONE they deem in the way of their own absolution. Is there REALLY any confusion why the Republicans lost as much as they did?? This craven hypocrisy is costing allies. WAKE UP republicans and you conservatives that still don’t get it: Whatever weird ignorant phobia any of you have regarding video games and the gaming culture, in general, WILL COST votes and support in the near and long term if you don’t, at least, get educated and familiar with this apparent sore spot of yours right now. Get a clue people.

  • Jevon Covington

    I will no longer support the NRA. I get it now and I sure as hell don’t need them to own a gun.

  • Space_Cowboy_1952

    Innocent bystanders die because we live in a worldwide Culture of Violence: From inside marriage and relationships, TV, video games and films, promoting the military option as a viable solution to strategic problems, to predatory global capitalism and the threat of nuclear annihilation.

    Mankind has no intelligent, creative solutions to his overpowering, self-destructive inner demons taking control or being used to ‘turn a dollar’. We have our priorities out of whack as a species – or rather, those who manage the world, the Paranoid Psychopathic Narcissists who run Big Business and the global arms industry. Psychopathy is as good for big business as it is for the dehumanised video games world.

    If tobacco consumption were proposed today it would be banned. Used as instructed, it is guaranteed to kill..!

  • $7421226

    we have many seasoned combat vets in family who agree the more the kids play the violent games the worse they are desensitized to murder and suicide.

    • David Mick

      show the proof then, I also seen many seasoned combat vets who commented suicide, so is there a link there?

  • Lady_Clare

    I’m not impressed with the defenses given of these ultra-violent, splatter games. On a psychologist wrote that he’d noted in his work that whatever people most loudly defended and refused to give up was the very thing they most SHOULD give up. Don’t try to take an addict’s addiction away from them, because they’ve got a million excuses why they should be able to keep it, starting with “You talk about it like it’s a bad thing,” to “I can quit any time I want.” Cramming ultra-violent imagery into impressionable minds can’t be argued as a good thing. And you can’t say those images don’t have an impact, otherwise adverts wouldn’t have an impact, either.

    • David Mick

      so are you addicted to guns? you are no freedom lover go join you lefty friends already. Remember this guy also was trained to use guns by his mother should we that those away too?

  • J.Milliscone

    If America was the only place where violent video games were played, than the argument might hold some water. However Asia has much more violent games and not nearly the same amount of violence.

  • Kleverabevera

    I support the 2nd 100%, but this idea that video games cause violence is ridiculous. So then, watching a Dirty Harry movie has the same effect? Yeah, and Bugs Bunny warped a generation of children whacking each other in the head with mallets, until they removed all the violence.